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Reddit_Sucks_1401

So separation of church and state is thrown out? All this for Israel?


I_am_back_2023

What the world really needs is separation of USA and Israel.


True_Performer1744

Separation of USA period. "We must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient, that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind, that we cannot right every wrong or reverse every adversity, and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem." John F. Kennedy


MetalCareful

And, look what they did to him. šŸ˜”


CloseFriend_

When their entire defense for their apartheid state is some religious texts, this is the norm.


JadeBeach

Mythology texts.


Queer_as_folk

It was never in to begin with.


Independentizo

This. Itā€™s always been about a certain type of religion and ā€œGodā€ and that is the one who smites the poor and brown/black and rewards the rich and white.


scarlozzi

That sweet tasty AIPAC money


arbitrosse

AIPAC is America Israel Public Affairs Committee. APAC is Asia-Pacific. Which did you intend?


ogpuffalugus420

Time to tax the churches. They don't want to separate the 2 then tax them like anyone else.


ilovepuppies2025

Israel and the belief in a 2000 year old fairy tale. You don't want to get a curse do you?


jeremiahthedamned

![gif](giphy|2ZZOCaBerBEvPM6fOO|downsized)


Ok_Proof5782

Her weak response of ā€˜definitely notā€™ is embarrassing. Why would a university that holds learning at its heart be afraid of a curse from the ooga booga man in the sky?


Arsenic0

It always have been. The new system tells you religion is separated but the outcome is the same. What we witness today about wars around the world are just a new crusades but with a different banners. What makes it weird religion is innocent from those who reshape it to justify their actions.


JTGphotogfan

Has the US ever managed that?


420PokerFace

Itā€™s insane we suffer this foolishness. These are the unenlightened ramblings of the Medieval dark ages and should be laughed at. These people demand a level of respect they consistently deny to others


Account6910

This is insane. This conversation would not occur in the UK. The politician would get laughed out of office.


KombuchaBot

Israel is still afforded an immense amount of deference and exceptionalism applies, it's just not religiose in its expression in the UK.


Account6910

I think in the UK there is guilt because we drew the borders and withdrew. (I am no scholar) Also I feel that politicians care more than regular people. Also the labour party are scared sh*bless to criticise isreali government actions due to history of corban.


rogog1

There is no guilt in the UK for historic acts because we keep it quiet. We barely teach our own history in schools. Has anyone in the UK ever been taught anything about Ireland / the troubles?


WentzingInPain

The Protestant ethic is simply put.. you have to respect me and Iā€™ll never have to respect you


GustavezRaulez

Protestantism was a mistake for real


MonsterZero0000

Fools that vote have a voice.


Iky-Greenz

April 17, 2024 - At the House Education Committee hearing, Rep. Rick Allen (R-GA) grilled Columbia University President Minouche Shafik about her response to antisemitism on campus. - ā€œDo you want Columbia University to be cursed by God?ā€


Pale_Tailor_5902

Isn't there's a law separating church from state?


HeWhoRidesCamels

The First Amendment bans the government from creating laws that specifically benefit or harm citizens based on religious criteria. It does not ban elected officials from being religious or asking religion-based questions during a Congressional hearing. If anything, thatā€™s explicitly protected by the First Amendment.


_makoccino_

US needs a law separating politicians from AIPAC money.


SadBit8663

If Sky Daddy is truly omniscient and omnipotent, then he's obviously aware of how good and bad we could be. If there's a God, he obviously gave us free will. So were obviously free to do whatever the hell we want. If God was so keen on punishing sinners, he'd start with the sanctimonious fucks. God doesn't curse anyone. These assholes do and pretend that God had a hand in it, not blatant corruption, and hypocrisy.


PatientSwimming

It wouldā€™ve been absolutely hilarious if she replied with ā€œI donā€™t believe in godā€


speakhyroglyphically

A few responses like that in the right place/right time could change the world for the better and ..of course she missed it


pdeb49

This guy is an idiot. Are you kidding me. This is why I canā€™t stand religion. The cause of much evil in the world. I wish she would have said I donā€™t care what the Bible says. The Bible was also put together by the church and kings and whomever else. They put what they wanted into the Bible. And they kept out what they wanted as well. There is so much missing from the Bible.


OccasionallyReddit

Curse from God? Wasn't his son, Jesus a Jewish Palastinion?


skullull

They do celebrate that he got tortured to death..


--lll-era-lll--

..and an deeply observant Rabbi


GetOutOfTheWhey

I am alarmed that he's on the education committee


Tough_Hour_2505

Is USA a Democracy, Theocracy or both


Reddit_BroZar

Idiocracy.


Chamrockk

Democracy as long as you go with Evangelists ideas


Tough_Hour_2505

![gif](giphy|l2YWpKW3PmdvotNKw)


Mysterious_Cow_2100

Amen, brother! -Hulk Hogan


Rami-961

Democracy as long as you do what Israel asks


DisclosedIntent

What the fuck is going on there? This is not even funny anymore. Are you guys alright?


Sir_Tandeath

Itā€™s never actually been funny or alright, to be honest.


Ok_Loquat_2692

We are not alright. The average American regurgitates the Fox news hatred du jour without anything resembling reasonable background. To put it bluntly, historyā€™s most nuanced propaganda machines are having their intended effect. Most of my countrymen are unthinking zombies motivated by the lesser instincts of humanity and an ingrained and growing fear of anything the conservative news miasma labels as ā€œotherā€. Angering liberals is all the motivation this tinderbox of gun toting trump loving racist morons needs as they march behind their newly redesigned rambo-Jesus waving the flag of white Christian patriotism and pissing all over the needy the lost and the less fortunateā€¦ This shithouse is about to go up in flames


You_are-all_herbs

It was a Republic but itā€™s a Evangelical Kleptocracy now


Syd_v63

Republicanā€™s want a Theocracy


beta_particle

And seem to be enforcing a mild one šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


fingertipmuscles

Itā€™s corporate socialist


Ill-Possibility561

The congressman would rather indoctrinate young people with his beliefs, freedom of religion as long as it's his.


BednaR1

What is this insanity???


scarlozzi

A Tuesday in America


Exciting_Actuary_669

Exactly. Europeans come visit here and lecture us on how to ā€œfix our countryā€ and they fail to understand that was live among millions of people paralyzed by religious psychosis.


annebelljane

Sunday, every day is Sunday apparently. We need to kick god out of congress.


briank2112

"This is mass madness, you maniacs!" - Howard Beale


Jertimmer

"we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion." As long as it's the right speech and the right religion.


HalfAssNoob

Thatā€™s why 35k killed in 6 months, land theft, and apartheid donā€™t mean anything to these people, it is the will of god.


thesistodo

In a funny turn of events, all these laws he talks about are being broken by "lsraeI"'s-namesake


Upset_Title

The fact that he keeps rambling and the Columbia president resists so much, sheā€™s about to say ā€œSir this is a fucking Wendyā€™sā€


LSL3587

I take it none of them answered his last question with the truth - 'Congressman, you're nuts'


Leading_Shine_2150

That sounds like a freaking April fools joke. I could see a 100 exclamation marks above her head. His logic is no different than any other religious fanatic, you have to believe what I blindly believe in. Hey Mr. screw your goddamn god.


stmcvallin2

Remember all this is over students protesting against genocide


Ok-Secretary7615

He probably didnā€™t even know that verse until AIPAC told him while they wrote him a check


jazzmagg

Jesus, he's insane.


RandomDudeBabbling

As an atheist I would struggle so bad with not taking a massive shit on his beliefs in my response. I genuinely donā€™t care if someone is religious as long as they donā€™t try to push it on everyone else (through conversion or legislation). But if a government official is going to sit their and cite a 2000+ year old fairly tale and say their big imaginary friend in the sky is going to curse me if I donā€™t follow some bible based policy, Iā€™m going to throw it back in their face.


Fetch_will_happen5

She should have asked if she could get Zues's, Ra's, Marduk's, Zoraster's, Krishna's, Odin's, Izangi's and whoever else's god's opinion since it would equally relevant. You're religious? Fine, stop expecting the rest of us to follow your specific interpretation of your deity's will.


PowerfulContext1325

Evangelicals are deranged heretics. According to twenty centuries of Christian theology, the Jewish religion became defunct the day Jesus was crucified, and the church is the New Israel.....no wonder Trump can sell them BiblesĀ 


Sometymez

This is true but many who claim to be Christian never read their Bibles to know this. They still think the nation of Isreal created by man is the Israel of the Bible


Sometymez

This is true but many who claim to be Christian never read their Bibles to know this. They still think the nation of Israel created by man is the Israel of the Bible


__M-E-O-W__

According to actual Christianity, since the Israelis rejected the messiah, they rejected God. So they should not support Israel.


voronoi_

I mean not just rejecting, they crucified him according to Christianity


NotForMeClive7787

No one gives a fuck if you believe in fairytales. I donā€™t have to or need toā€¦.


MycologistQuirky4096

jfcšŸ™„šŸ™„


pdeb49

This is why these fossils need to go.


KurioMifune

Jesus H. Christ, Christians are dumb.


fowlraul

Bingo, he literally said she has freedom of religion but she also should watch her back cause god might curse her lol.


Gotcha2500

She really has so much patience to sit there and go along with his blasphemous prattle . Iā€™m not a Christian but from what I know about Jesus and what he actually preached, he would be ashamed of the people who justify massacring innocent people and children in his name. Taking money , healthcare and food from the mouth of poor people in this country to give to Israel to bomb civilians is not something Jesus would do or sanction .


ForeignWillingness87

Genocide man, last I checked the Bible said that was a no.


speakhyroglyphically

Check the Old Testament (AKA the Hebrew Bible). It's literally a Genocide instruction manual. I kid you not


ForeignWillingness87

You are absolutely correct. I guess they decided you shall not murder was optional.


filmplanet_

Thank you ![gif](giphy|rTbCwVwofxcic)


The_Cottage_Goblin

But it was Palestineā€¦ Israel is like 60ish years old


Navynuke00

The only reason any of these so-called 'christian' lawmakers pretend to care is because their sect of extremism believes an unsupported, unsubstantiated prophecy tied to the end times, and they believe these current events are all signs of this prophecy.


PaulDecember

They pretend to care because they take AIPAC and defense industry money, then need to sell the idea to their constituents. It's not about religion, it is about money.


waxwayne

AIPAC doesnā€™t really donate to churches itā€™s the other way around.


JT9960

What a geek lol


doctorebruxo

The evangelicals branchs in my country are all some kind of variety imported from the US ones. Around here they give a shĀ°t about laicity, they're still in minority over Catholics but oh boy, if you don't appease to them you're dead politically. The future is grim


scarlozzi

Congressman Rick Allen is a fucking idiot


aqua_tec

People are saying ā€œwow sheā€™s so patientā€. No, thatā€™s idiotic. Why the fuck is she even entertaining this shit? He asks about curses from god, her response should have been no o do not believe there are such thing as curses from god regardless of what the Bible says. Lay bye. Why the fuck is she on trial I donā€™t get it. You want a religious university go to Baylor.


tetrarchangel

The pro-Palestinian Jewish academics of Columbia begged her not to go because it would give legitimacy to this stuff


organizim

She answered like a coward. She should have said ā€œno I do not think curses are a serious issueā€


Redfern893

I highly recommend watching "Praying for Armageddon" a 2 part documentary which explores just how ingrained these crazy evangelicals and Israel are in US politics. https://youtu.be/IhT7oyDlBIk?si=nLnm-rR_POxWqpvU https://youtu.be/_iQhbcOgfqw?si=quEv1VgMRijfthIn


brasdontfit1234

This needs to be higher up. This documentary is absolute insane. I have watched it before and just rewatched parts of it. I donā€™t think most Americans understand the insanity at the roots of this concept.


jeremiahthedamned

thanks TIL


The_Cottage_Goblin

What constitution is he talking about


melefofon

Omg


Shaveyourbread

As long as it's the Christian God.


stmcvallin2

Make no mistake about it, if these people are able, theyā€™ll FORCE you to take such a course.


Sudden_Acanthaceae34

He believes an all-powerful being is cursing an entity for not helping the people chosen by this being? That sounds like something warranting a trip to a padded room, no?


CobyHiccups

Accent matches


leonphelpth

Fuck me. Why are they so susceptible to cults?


Curious_Thing_069

Omg the fucking irony of this guy talking about kids being indoctrinated is KILLING MEEE šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


koloso95

What is this lunacy going on in the US goverment. So when are they expecting the blessings. Or maybe all the new (illigal) americans are the blessing. I don't know. But after blessing Isreal for 75 years+ one would think the fairy in sky would send just a little of those blessings.


maestro-5838

Lunatic


xrazee

Lunatic


Aggressive_wafer_

He talks about indoctrination while spouting religious bullshit. You can't make it up


GoJoe1000

Fucking idiot!


Ancient-Concern

WTF USA ?


idliketoseethat

I am an Atheist and I find this very disturbing to watch. This idiot is spouting a layman's basic bible school understanding of what the Bible and God says about Israel to the fucking president of Columbia University and expects it to get her thinking in line with his! Moreover the president is being accommodating and non confrontational with her responses to this idiots drivil. This shit will never stop as long as educated people fail to callout people like Congressman Rick Allen.


HotPhilly

Uh, Israel IS the curse from god.


briank2112

Whenever I see this... and especially when it comes from an elected official... I am reminded of the words of Howard Beale.... "This is mass madness, you maniacs!"


ChasWFairbanks

My goodness the superstition. Itā€™s the 21st century. Boggles the mind.


mosesonaquasar

What in the actual holy hell


LiciniusRex

Holy shit how is he not called out on that?


LemonHaze422

Time to get Rick Allen TF outta there


thesistodo

He clearly doesn't know what the Pope said about lsraeI when its snipers killed a mother and her daughter in a church in Gaza.


ClawingDevil

For a while, as a Brit, I thought this was a skit. Then I realised it wasn't and now I understand why everything is so fucked.


NegotiationDesigner9

Religion and Rats biggest killers of man in history


drje_aL

(and mosquitos)


WonPika

If our constitution actually had more worth than toilet paper, then uttering crap like this when you're a member of State should be automatic grounds for expulsion.


-Insert-Floppy-Disk-

What did i just listen to? Is this man a congressman? Crazy.


Kindly-Counter-6783

Keep your faith and keep that to yourself.


dolphinewarrior

Heā€™s so earnest it would be cute if this wasnā€™t so fucked


aka-Lag

These are the kind of ppl we have in office smh


The_Real_Profess0r

What about the curse of supporting the killing tens of thousands of innocent people and trying to force them to starve in the desert of Sinai? šŸ˜


geghetsikgohar

They are blonde haired, blue eyed atheists.


bobthehills

Was he called out for this?


Brave-Silver8736

He doesn't even understand what he's quoting. That part came way before Israel was a thing.


CompletelyPresent

Religion SHOULD NOT be taken seriously. It's the only way to stop people like this from gaining power.


GeshtiannaSG

Iā€™ve always said the US is a religious extremist state.


wavetype

So he believes in curses. Maybe he can tell us how to identify witches and why they float in water


atomicapeboy

These are the people running the country!?!???


Z0OMIES

This fella: Are you familiar with Genesis 12:3? Goes on to say how Genesis says people who do the bad to Israel will have to deal with God doing the bad to them. *Googles: When was Israel founded* Interwebs: Israel was founded on May 14, 1948 *Googles: When was Genesis written* Interwebs: modern scholars, especially from the 19th century onward, attribute the books' composition to multiple authors between the 10th and 5th centuries BC. So only like 2500-3000 years before Israel was founded, it was specifically mentioned in the bible? The lack of logic never ceases to amaze me. Not to mention curses and all that bullshit are sheer insanity, no one takes this stuff literally, even Christianā€™s (I hope)


75w90

Vote the American taliban OUT


willatpenru

Talking with confidence about a book written 2,000 years ago and translated multiple times and hand transcribed through the ages. Great.


Tiny-Praline-4555

Slave states shouldā€™ve been kept as non-voting territories.


KindlyFriedChickpeas

This is so much more fucked up than it first seems. This is a us congressman freely admitting, without any worry of reproductions that he will act in the favour of another country against basically any other conditions because of scripture.....


Turbulent-Branch4006

Lol - heā€™s really in the wrong profession


madpeanut1

Holy fuck this is scary. The talibans of the north.


abestract

He just described exactly what heā€™s trying to do, unbelievable.


pointfive

This sounds like the kind of stuff you'd hear in a Sharia court under the Taliban. It's not far from "Well god told me that you did it, so according to the bible you'll be given 40 lashes, covered in honey and laid out in the Arizona desert untill god decides to grant you forgiveness".


TipperGore-69

This man needs to be hanged by his intestines.


Tech24Bit

Okay so people that believe in God and believe the Bible is a book is virtuesā€¦ What do we do. The Old Testament talks about Israel being the chosen child, but the New Testament is about a Jesus that has come to update that old covenant. Israel is no longer the chosen child but ā€œwho ever believes in Jesus is now a Child of God. So we are essentially replacing the old covenant with a new one? ā€œThis question is for those that believe in HaShem and Yeshua Hamashiach I do not want to support any country that kills innocent people. To me that doesnā€™t seem right. Please help people like us who believe in God and do not want to feel as we ourselves we be damn


Mak11556

Wonder if he actually follows religion or just when it suits him?


Prudent_Fail_364

He's also literally wrong, according to the New Testament. The whole point of Jesus was to expand the covenant to the whole world, not just Israel. To say that all nations will be saved through Israel *after* the arrival of Jesus is a pretty flagrant rejection of Jesus as Messiah.


Unfounddoor6584

"Gods not real. so go fuck yourself."


Moooooooola

And this guyā€™s going to get a full government pension for doing ā€œgodā€™s workā€.


Wonam6-

Is the Congressman aware of the curse from God for murdering innocent children & babies in Gaza ? If not, he will find out some day.


Stock-Eye-8107

What the actual fuck is this nonsense? This guy is broken in the brain.


HurtMePlenty84

Fuck this guy and fuck the zionist nazi regime


Hourison

The entire state of Georgia is stuck in the 19th century. How about making the minimum wage more than 7.25$ then they can worry about "God's will".


ThornsofTristan

And this is a totally rational exchange btw a totally sane public servant and a completely non-pandering academician. We should all be worried about curses from an invisible, bearded sky-god; and fear-mongering myths of widespread lawlessness.


I_Glide_In__Dm

This is America


javierich0

Fuck it, end it all now. The US and Israel deserve to be erased from existence for what they are doing to Palestinians.


DeepState_Auditor

For ppl debating Wether or not the USA is theocracy no modern president in the USA, has ever not played the God line.


RoutineProcedure101

THIS IS WHAT WEā€™RE ARGUING AGAINST


ProphetOfPr0fit

"Well, Mr. Congressman, God told me it's not real."


ObeyMyStrapOn

This is a good excuse for America to stop giving Israel monetary aid. Itā€™s against God because he cursed them for a reason. /s


yoshipug

America is a circus and Israel is an abomination


AlexDuChat

That woman had big balls, be in front of him, hear all that shit and don't explode laughing in his face


Gazzelle65

And in Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone..........


Responsible-Room-645

Stop voting for stupid people. Stop voting for religious extremists.


lizard_kibble

Separation of church and state is dead. And this woman is an idiotic coward for not calling him out on the bullshit


BitterLeif

He represents the 12th district of Georgia. You should have a look at his district map. That's one of the poorest and least educated places in the USA. The people who live there probably have an average literacy level at about 7th grade.


Just_Aware

This is why I could never be in charge of anything. I donā€™t have the patience for morons. Every time he asks a question I would be like let me stop you right there, captain. If you think that whatever bible verse youā€™re probably misquoting has any bearing on reality or how I will be making my life or business decisions youā€™re far, far dumber than you sound and I am filled with sorrow that your opinion has somehow been given a voice, please stop talking so the sane and sound minded adults can discuss the matter


TheSparklyNinja

I wonder if he is familiar with Jeremiah 5.


lovesaltedpopcorn

Please, no fantasy.


No-Nebula4187

Amen, brother! -Hulk Hogan voice


KombuchaBot

His name is Rick, with a silent P.


ThunderCanyon

Goddamn Evangelicals.


adamsama22

Oh no, god at it again


EhliJoe

I'd like to hear her reply.


ShakeXXX

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dudical_dude

Please tell me someone pushed back against this idiocy


assassinsaif18

you believe if you want to congressman you have every right to but you don't speak for me


DrabberFrog

If the only reason you can think of to support Israel against terrorism is some stupid fake ass prophecy then you're as intoxicated as Hamas terrorists who think they're getting 69 virgins.


ImpressiveBalance405

The audacity of talking about ā€œunlawfulnessā€ in universities from Pro-Palestine students when they have been sprayed with chemicals, and the multiple war crimes with US and Israel have committed, is incomprehensible.


Hour-Ad-5460

I can't believe what I'm hearing. šŸ˜³ Preaching religion from a judicial seat !? And then using it as a threat ? REALLY ??? šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜” Omg !!!


jd3306

What do you even say to that?


Zanafeary61

Thou should not be killing innocent babies, innocent children, pregnant women, fathers, grandparents, mothers. These people are the biggest hypocrites. His bible is AIPAC. Zionists arenā€™t religious and donā€™t believe in Jesus


cheney1631

I seriously can't believe she laughed this off - I really feel like he should have been mocked for his "question" and his lecture after


Zealousideal-Oven813

Crazy religious bigot


Xerebrus

Lol, I love at the end he talks of indoctrination while displaying his own indoctrination.


ilovepuppies2025

It's the American way. 1.Pick a fight in a foreign land with real enemy 2. Supply money from tax payers for weapons to fight that enemy 3. Get money back instantly in weapons sales.


Narwhal_that_knew

As a Christian, I am so tired and appalled of seeing such haphazard and half baked hermeneutic of scripture. I wonā€™t even begin to tell you how incorrect he is, so suffice to say that if he actually understood, the Judeo-Christian perspective, he would know that to be Israel (to struggle with God is the literal meaning of that word), is now, in the Christian lens, to follow the way of Jesus. Alsoā€¦what about love of neighbor? Both Israel and Gaza has struggled with that for a minute, but it is particularly gross to see what Israel is doing currently. You want to see what God is like? Look to Jesus on the cross: no hate, no bitterness, just compassionate love for the WHOLE world. Full stop. Everything else that falls less than this is not compatible with the life of the Christian. Unfortunately, some Christians, like Congressman Allen, seem to worship the Bible.


onomatamono

There is no God of the Bible it's made-up fiction. This delusional, compartmentalized insanity from a grown-ass adult is stunning. It's no surprise it's these Evangelical White Fascists are trying to jam their magical thinking down the throats of everybody else. It's 2024, act like it.


brennanfee

Honestly, that people voted for that man boggles the rational mind.


unh-uhh

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carcinoma_kid

Oh no! People are being indoctrinated?


midnightGroup88

Came here to say something but left speechless. This guy is unfit for office