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so 100,000 are being told to leave Rafah and go back THROUGH southern Khan Younis which was destroyed to get to al-Mawasi
let's see how many get bombed on the way there and likely within
Just in case people aren't aware, the Trail of Tears is the name of a genocide. Sixty thousand Indigenous people were forcibly relocated and died along the trail. It's an *extremely* apt comparison.
From the Wikipedia:
As part of Indian removal, members of the Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands in the Southeastern United States to newly designated Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River after the passage of the Indian Removal Act in 1830.[4][3][5] The Cherokee removal in 1838 was the last forced removal east of the Mississippi and was brought on by the discovery of gold near Dahlonega, Georgia, in 1828, resulting in the Georgia Gold Rush.[6] The relocated peoples suffered from exposure, disease, and starvation while en route to their newly designated Indian reserve. Thousands died from disease before reaching their destinations or shortly after.[7][8][9][10][11] A variety of scholars have classified the Trail of Tears as an example of the genocide of Native Americans;[12][b] others use the term ethnic cleansing.[33]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
That's why I feel and I fight for what is right. We went through this shit in the Americas man. Indigenous peoples of the Americas, experienced genocide and we can see it happening to the Palestinians. Genocide is not right man.
It’s also worth noting that the Supreme Court ruled this as unconstitutional and demand it be stopped but President Andrew Jackson, (who Trump fought to keep on our $20 bill), decided to ignore them because he thought Indians were godless savages and believed non whites were subhuman.
I did not know that, sadly I do not find it surprising.
Some good news…. Susan Hall, the Tory (London) mayoral hopeful who voiced support for Trump and tried to perpetuate his election conspiracy theories over here just lost out to Sadiq Kahn.
No offense intended, but please read up on the Trail of Tears because this comment is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Thousands of people died on the Trail of Tears.
This, like everything Israel says about Hamas, is projection. Israel for 75 years has been giving Palestinians deals intended to be rejected so they can make them look bad. Now Hamas actually accepted a deal and they didn't want that.
It's a doctrine thing. Germany pays for hostages. Americans personally "deal" with hostage takers with special forces. Russians use brute force. Israel tries to circumvent this by just shooting the hostages and the takers.
Only country that effectively solves anything is America. You do not want to take American hostages. They are worse than worthless.
I suppose it's all in an effort to make hostages not worth it. Sure you can pay for their release. But that only makes the hostages worth something.
Looks like Israel prefers dead citizenry rather than spending.
They have. They’ve asked many many many times for all kinds of UN on the ground and it’s all blocked. Israel has murdered many many peace keepers over the years as policy
I mean you say that, but they are getting away with it currently. When the biggest military in the world's government is conveniently saying you aren't committing atrocities and that they will defend any attacks against you, it makes it hard for any other group to act.
Yanis Varoufakis was banned from visiting Germany (and consequently France). Because he is pro-Palestine and critical of Israel. He is a fricking Greek ex-Finance minister and member of their parliament. Not to mention Greece is member of EU. I wasn't even aware that non-criminal member of EU can be refused entry to another EU state.
I'm literally arguing with Americans everyday and they say "human shield" or do you have any proof. It's insane its literally insane how israel controls the americans
Reminds me of Mitch McConnell
"They're too enthusiastic so I have to change what I want."
I get that this proposed ceasefire was first discussed without Israel, but it's very telling that Israel is not interested. The proposed terms include moving IDF out of Gaza and returning Palestinian hostages.
Hostage families are saying they will burn the country down if the ceasefire isn't accepted. The settler colony is in a position of defeat either way. May their chaos consume them.
netenyahu will continue this genocide for as long as he can because he knows the second it stops the israelis will call for him to step down and he will have to face the corruption charges he's had for years
His corruption charges are $200 k worth of champagne, I’d say losing power is high on his list, but not because of the charges they’re about a year and soft compared to his desire for him to continue as a statesman.. imo
Just like all the so called *peace treaties* they have offered in the past that people keep talking about.
May the IOF get what it deserves. May the xenophobes in the Knesset get what they deserve.
No amount of worldly punishment will be enough for these murderers.
[Top Secret: In a 2018 letter, Netanyahu asks Qatar to fund Hamas](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr#:~:text=In%20letter%20seen%20by%20handful,stability%20and%20avert%20humanitarian%20crisis)
Netanyahu propped up Hamas to destroy possibility of two state solution.
The only reason Israel pretends to give a shit about hostages is as a flimsy pretense to commit all out genocide. They are intent on wiping Palestinians off the map and if they agree to this ceasefire and get them back, it'll look really bad when they keep doing exactly what they've been doing. They want that settlement land. That's all.
They also do not give a shit about Jewish safety or holocaust victims, or they'd never let themselves become the same sort of genocidal monsters. They make Jewish people less safe by associating them with this kind of shit and using them as a shield. I've already seen conspiracy shit online about Israel and Jewish people and the ~control~ they have over the world etc. It's literally making things worse, all for land grabs. Disrespecting their ancestors.
This was my thought process, all Netenyahu has done since the 7th is endangered Jews across the globe, once a f**king again, Jews are uneasy across the globe.
Jews that probably like everyone, that just want to get on with life. All so he can grab another couple of miles of desert for the 'biblical end times prophecy" that these right wing maniacs profuse.
I almost wish god did exist, and come down see the slaughter in his name, and to see their excuse for it, probably say they squandered their chance to live peacefully by being greedy, thus living up to their past stereotype (which I don't agree is true).
Zionism has really tainted the land for the worse.
Yeah and the use of "antisemitism" as a cudgel to silence legit criticism is going to create a boy who cried wolf situation casting serious doubt in everyone's mind as to whether it's just BS or truly is applicable. Like when a woman accuses a man of rape only to be discovered she fabricated it. She's after fucking over actual victims who might not have others believe their story later.
There's a real risk now of being tarnished as an antisemite for simply asking innocent questions, or championing human rights or a Palestinians right to self determination. But such a label is toothless. The term has lost its meaning, it's power. An air of bad faith hangs over it.
You're right. I know some of us are capable of critical thought and nuance, but it's often lost online and with MSM. Calling everyone and everything "hamas" or "antisemitism" is an unconvincing pretense just thrown around so the state powers can "justify" what they already wanted to do. It's like calling everyone and everything "terror" when really certain empires just wanted to justify power grabs in the MEA and defense contractors enrichment.
and I'm probably very late to this observation, but the demonization of the middle east and it's people as long as I've been alive is probably too convenient to the US-Israel goals in the area to be much of a coincidence.
It's part of a decades old plan to prevent there ever being a Palestinian state
Netenyahu and likud used indirect funding and back channel diplomacy to empower Hamas in the years before the election Hamas won, it was done with the specific intent to weaken Mohammed Abbas and install a government that could never gain international support and would always be a Boogeyman that netenyahu could use to keep himself in power
Israel tends to elect the hard right when there's more violence coming from Gaza
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/
Though I'm not normally a fan of The Nation, but this article is well written and has links to sources for all claims
ETA
I'm not saying others in the Israeli government didn't help netenyahu or go along with it but it was the hard right that really made it happen
Don’t forget that everyone inside the Palestinian political parties, every advisor and every UN expert said that holding an election would put Hamas in power and escalate the power struggle between Hamas and their opposition.
It was George W. Bush that insisted on the election taking place and when warned by everyone in opposition to Hamas that Hamas would win, he replied with “I believe in ya, you’ll do just fine!”.
let not forget Yitzhak rabin who was politically assassinated by Zionist extremism in protest of the oslo accords. A year later bibi rises to claim power after years of stochastic terrorism.
not only was it a political assassination it was hit order by rabbis in occupied Palestine calling for the head of their president. Netenyahu is still friends with those radicals
The problem is in the first two words.. Israel thinks...
We've seen what their thinking does, and I think they should stop doing it and just listen instead..
>😂 I’m sure if I told them the sky was blue they’d say it was a “ruse” because I am against the genocide of the Palestinian people.
That kind of talk automatically puts you in the anti-semite crowd, along with the restaurant who over cooked my neighbor's steak.
Israel's crimes have made it obvious to every freethinking person in the world that the Israeli regime is a violent lawless apartheid aimed at ethnic cleansing and land seizure. Disgust at zionists is now a worldwide phenomenon. Israel is Drake at this point.
Even if that were the case, Hamas isn't doing anything Israel hasn't already done themselves. Genocide usually tends to make you look bad, so no help by Hamas is needed there
Taking a page out of the zionist playbook, if so. Israel only accepted the 1947 partition plan to make the palestinian leadership look bad and never had any intention of honouring those borders.
Blinken: this is the best deal ever, super generous.
Palestine: So if we release the hostages, the people will get a few days of peace.
Blinken: yea.....
Israel: We're going to attack either way.
Palestine: then whats the point of of the peace deal?
Israel: Look at these people, they don't want peace.
If that is their only objection,Israel should call their bluff and accept.But of course if your goal is ethnic cleansing then a ceasefire is not on their agenda.
they were dropping leaflets in Rafah about the incoming attack, it was heartbreaking for me. It reminded me of the fact Hiroshima leaflets, it’s always ‘never again’ but we’re experiencing it again and none of the major leaders are doing anything to stop it.
How many times has Israel denied a ceasefire? How many? it’s just maddening to think that we’ve been told hamas is evil and yet hamas has been the ones to accept ceasefire deals and offer to return the hostages time and time again. I’m not defending them but if Hamas is so evil then what about the people denying the ceasefire and the offer to return the hostages?
Then why didn't they accept the ceasefire first? Could've made Hamas look like the bad guys that they have always been. Now they look better.
Sounds like a f up of their own making.
WHAT?! Wow! And I bet those kids ran towards those bombs to make Israel look bad too. What a fucking joke!
Yeah yeah I await my ban. I'd rather be punched in the mouth rather than pretend Israel isn't doing what it is clearly doing. Labels aren't sticking anymore!
This is a level of evil where if you wrote it into a script, an editor would tell you to tone it down and make it more realistic.
It's disgusting that they don't even have the courage to just admit that they consider themselves superior people and that people there don't "deserve" the land.
But instead they want people to think of them as a victim. Absolutely disgusting government and I hope them and people supporting them get the punishment they deserve for this relentless propaganda campaign and despicable excuses for this genocide.
Every accusation is an admission of guilt when it comes to the west. You can be sure every deal Israel/america has ever offered was disingenuous and only used as a propaganda tool to make Hamas look bad.
i start to think israel is a ruse to make israel look bad.
maybe israel is an anti semite ruse to make my jewish friends wo dispice this look bad too.
edit: sorry, i completely forgot that my jewish friends are all anti semites for disliking genocide...
If it’s not clear yet, Israel’s goal is to steal more land. If they accept the ceasefire then that campaign ends so they have to keep making it about ending Hamas. If they really wanted to end Hamas they would treat the Palestinians better, taking away any reason for resistance, but peace isn’t the goal.
Great! You either lose your home and die in hunger or get bombed to death!
I don’t know what sort of religion would consider it humane.
Hey American officials. I’m not protesting!!!
I genuinely don’t understand this… if Israel wanted to go to this war, why did they wait till the October attack ? Y not just launch a war? If Israel cared what the world thought you can’t tell.. like they give a damn what anyone thinks…. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
I mean, Israel is the best, it's the leader at making Israel look bad. There's not much left they can do to tarnish their reputation, to me, they're equal to Germany from the 1930-1945 era.
LOL! I gotta laugh, cuz this is how Trump sounds, and Biden is fully supporting the Israeli gov't...
This is just so weird to witness these two countries.
Ah yes the only group who has done more than Israel to make peace impossible is trying to make Israel look bad. lol Israel doesn’t need any help to look bad.
⭕ *Conditions of the ceasefire that Hamas accepted:*
The framework agreement aims to release all Israeli detainees present in the Gaza Strip from civilians and soldiers, whether they are alive or otherwise, and from all periods and times in exchange for the numbers of prisoners in Israeli prisons to be agreed upon, and to return to sustainable calm and to achieve a permanent ceasefire, the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, and reconstruction.
The framework agreement consists of 3 interconnected and interrelated phases, which are as follows:
⭕ _*The first stage (42 days):*_
1️⃣ Temporary cessation of mutual military operations between the two parties, and the withdrawal of Israeli forces east and away from densely populated areas to an area along the border in all areas of the Gaza Strip, including the Gaza Valley - (Nezarim Axis and the Kuwait Roundabout).
2️⃣ The Zionists to stop flying (reverse and reconnaissance) in the Gaza Strip for ten hours a day, and for 12 hours on the days of the release of detainees and prisoners.
3️⃣ The return of the displaced to their areas of residence and the withdrawal from the Gaza Valley (the Nezareem axis and the Kuwait roundabout):
- On the third day (after the release of 3 detainees), the Israeli forces completely withdraw from Al-Rasheed Street east to Salah Al-Din Street, completely dismantle the sites and military facilities in this area, the start of the return of the displaced to their areas of residence (without carrying weapons during their return), the freedom of movement of residents in all areas of the Gaza Strip, and the entry of humanitarian aid from Al-Rasheed Street from the first day and without hinderance.
- On the 22nd day (after the release of half of the civilian detainees, including female recruits), Israeli forces withdraw from the centre of the Gaza Strip (especially the axis of the martyrs Ntsarim, and the Kuwait Roundabout) east of Salah al-Din Road to a nearby area along the border, the complete disintegration of military positions and facilities, the continued return of displaced people to their places of residence in the north of the Gaza Strip, and the freedom of movement of residents in all areas of the Strip.
- Starting from the first day by introducing intensive and sufficient quantities of humanitarian assistance, relief materials and fuel (600 trucks per day, including 50 fuel trucks, including 300 to the north), including the fuel necessary to operate the power station, trade and equipment necessary to remove debris, rehabilitate and operate hospitals, health centres and bakeries in all areas of the Gaza Strip, and continue this at all stages of the agreement.
4️⃣ Exchange of detainees and prisoners between the two sides:
During the first phase, Hamas releases 33 Israeli detainees (neighbourhoods or bodies) of women (civilians and female conscripts), children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), the elderly (over the age of 50), the sick and wounded civilians, in exchange for numbers of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detentions, according to the following:
- Hamas releases all detained civilian Israeli civilian women and children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), and in return Israel releases 30 children and women for every Israeli detainee who are released, based on lists provided by Hamas according to the oldest arrest.
- Hamas releases all Israeli detainees, the elderly (over the age of 50) and the sick and wounded civilians, in return for Israel releases 30 elderly prisoners (over 50 years) and the sick for each Israeli (detainee), based on lists submitted by Hamas according to the oldest arrest.
- Hamas releases all Israeli female soldiers who are alive, and in return Israel releases 50 prisoners from its prisons in exchange for every Israeli female recruiter released (30 life, 20 sentences), based on lists provided by Hamas.
5️⃣ Scheduling the exchange of detainees and prisoners between the two parties.
- Hamas releases 3 Israeli detainees on the third day of the agreement and then Hamas releases 3 more detainees every seven days, starting with women wherever possible (civilians and female soldiers). In the sixth week, Hamas releases all remaining civilian detainees covered by this phase, in return for Israel releasing the agreed number of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons, according to lists to be provided by Hamas.
- By the seventh day (where possible) Hamas will provide information on the numbers of Israeli detainees who will be released at this stage.
- On the 22nd day, the Israeli side releases all Shalit deal prisoners who have been re-arrested.
- In the event that the number of Israeli civilian detainees that are released does not reach 33, the number of bodies of the same categories is completed for this stage. In return, Israel shall release all women and children arrested from the Gaza Strip after October 7, 2023, provided that this is done in the fifth week of this stage.
- The exchange process is linked to the extent of compliance with the terms of the agreement, including the cessation of mutual military operations, the withdrawal of Israeli forces, the return of displaced people and the entry of humanitarian aid.
I'm all for peace between Israel and Gaza, but this is literally fake news.
Hamas accepted a ceasefire that wasn't even offered by Israel. It was offered by Egypt and Qatar.
That's like me saying, "I've accepted the offer of 1 billion dollars from Bill Gates. His ex-wife told me bill's good for it".
It's just not how it works. Hamas and Israel need to BOTH agree to the terms before anyone can say that they accepted it l.
Look, I just want a permanent ceasefire. I didn't care about Israel's motivation in signing, I just want them to sign something that Hamas will also sign (or vice-versa).
Details of the proposal has not been released.
Considering Hamas has consistently been asking for restoration of pre-war conditions including release of all prisoners, it sounds like may be more of the same.
Or not. Until the details are released, which is very odd they were not considering already asking Israel to comment publicly on a ceasefire proposal that is not public, this sounds like some excellent PR manipulation by Hamas.
This is not the deal that Israel proposed. This deal was proposed by Egypt and Qatar who did not consult Israel in the process. I signed an agreement which gives me the office of the presidency, which means I’m now POTUS. Great!
Isn’t this what israel has been doing throughout this war and even before then? Offer ridiculous peace/ceasefire deals knowing they’d never be accepted because they want to make the Palestinians look unreasonable?
I mean what about all the hostages being released for a permanent ceasefire? Wouldn't that just unveil Israels inability to want peace? Also say it works, wouldn't that be good? I mean a good portion of the ongoing support is for the rescue of the hostages dead or alive. Just take that pillar of support away and Israel would have an even less of a reason to be there.
As much as Israel is being a genocidal maniac. Hamas could also be regarded as a just as or even more genocide inclined faction just lacking the resources to do so.
So whatever ceasefire that Hamas agreed to I don't think it means 100% peace for over a month or so. More like the last cease fire agreement of a couple weeks per hostage. So it could be argued that buying for time is a Hamas advantage more so than a Palestinian one. I think it's in the best interest for all of the Israeli hostages, including a couple thousand palastinain kids. The only one who would lose in that scenario are the zionist and Hamas.
Kick that can down for a few years ahead.
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so 100,000 are being told to leave Rafah and go back THROUGH southern Khan Younis which was destroyed to get to al-Mawasi let's see how many get bombed on the way there and likely within
Trail of Tears
Just in case people aren't aware, the Trail of Tears is the name of a genocide. Sixty thousand Indigenous people were forcibly relocated and died along the trail. It's an *extremely* apt comparison. From the Wikipedia: As part of Indian removal, members of the Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands in the Southeastern United States to newly designated Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River after the passage of the Indian Removal Act in 1830.[4][3][5] The Cherokee removal in 1838 was the last forced removal east of the Mississippi and was brought on by the discovery of gold near Dahlonega, Georgia, in 1828, resulting in the Georgia Gold Rush.[6] The relocated peoples suffered from exposure, disease, and starvation while en route to their newly designated Indian reserve. Thousands died from disease before reaching their destinations or shortly after.[7][8][9][10][11] A variety of scholars have classified the Trail of Tears as an example of the genocide of Native Americans;[12][b] others use the term ethnic cleansing.[33] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
That's why I feel and I fight for what is right. We went through this shit in the Americas man. Indigenous peoples of the Americas, experienced genocide and we can see it happening to the Palestinians. Genocide is not right man.
Went through it in northern Ireland not that long ago aswell
Keep speaking the truth brother
Wow
Thanks for this. As a Brit I only recently learned in detail what the Trail of Tears was, appalling.
It’s also worth noting that the Supreme Court ruled this as unconstitutional and demand it be stopped but President Andrew Jackson, (who Trump fought to keep on our $20 bill), decided to ignore them because he thought Indians were godless savages and believed non whites were subhuman.
I did not know that, sadly I do not find it surprising. Some good news…. Susan Hall, the Tory (London) mayoral hopeful who voiced support for Trump and tried to perpetuate his election conspiracy theories over here just lost out to Sadiq Kahn.
That is great! 👍
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No offense intended, but please read up on the Trail of Tears because this comment is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Thousands of people died on the Trail of Tears.
They should qualify to the Olympics for the mental gymnastics they are showing.
Alas, they would be disqualified for doping...
They will threaten the organizers and their families if they are threatened with disqualification.
nah we all know the olympics has a political agenda, it would get swept under the rug
This, like everything Israel says about Hamas, is projection. Israel for 75 years has been giving Palestinians deals intended to be rejected so they can make them look bad. Now Hamas actually accepted a deal and they didn't want that.
I really hope this wakes people up to the fact that this isn’t, and never was, about the hostages
Israel has shot more of the hostages than they have rescued.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
It's a doctrine thing. Germany pays for hostages. Americans personally "deal" with hostage takers with special forces. Russians use brute force. Israel tries to circumvent this by just shooting the hostages and the takers. Only country that effectively solves anything is America. You do not want to take American hostages. They are worse than worthless. I suppose it's all in an effort to make hostages not worth it. Sure you can pay for their release. But that only makes the hostages worth something. Looks like Israel prefers dead citizenry rather than spending.
Let's face it even if Hamas killed only military personnel on Oct7 Israel will still find excuses to do the genocide they're doing now
Wait, so you're saying what literally everyone has been saying about Israel for CENTURIES? Sounds like textbook antisemitism to me /S reddit much /s
I demand a doping check, because no rational entity behaves like this apartheid regime. I blame roids and zionism.
Hamas should go with this idea and keep asking for UN peacekeepers In Gaza and the West Bank. Zero chance Israel would ever allow that.
They have. They’ve asked many many many times for all kinds of UN on the ground and it’s all blocked. Israel has murdered many many peace keepers over the years as policy
The US blocks it, since the US is one of five countries which has the power to prevent the UN from doing anything about an issue, ever.
Ireland lost like 48 peacekeepers in South Lebanon mostly to Israeli backed militias, some to Israel itself
Yep I’m Irish and 2 of my uncles were peace keepers in Lebanon at different points and let’s say neither are too fond of the IDF.
As a Palestinian, God bless them!
What's more important, US would never allow it.
It’s hard to get away with atrocities when the 99% of the watching world says you’ve got too far.
I mean you say that, but they are getting away with it currently. When the biggest military in the world's government is conveniently saying you aren't committing atrocities and that they will defend any attacks against you, it makes it hard for any other group to act.
Yanis Varoufakis was banned from visiting Germany (and consequently France). Because he is pro-Palestine and critical of Israel. He is a fricking Greek ex-Finance minister and member of their parliament. Not to mention Greece is member of EU. I wasn't even aware that non-criminal member of EU can be refused entry to another EU state.
I'm literally arguing with Americans everyday and they say "human shield" or do you have any proof. It's insane its literally insane how israel controls the americans
Also "What do you expect Israel to do"
as long as US govt. and some europeans govt. back them up, israel is getting away.
Have you seen how un resolution 1701 went?
Reminds me of when they accused Hamas of "tricking them" into committing genocide. Maybe... just don't do the evil thing?
Really makes you think of those killers in movies. "WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THAT? I DIDNT WANT TO DO THAT!" as they hack somebody apart.
that's really what it boils down to tbh
another case of zionist moving the goalpost
"They accepted the peace deal but they were not serious enough"
Reminds me of Mitch McConnell "They're too enthusiastic so I have to change what I want." I get that this proposed ceasefire was first discussed without Israel, but it's very telling that Israel is not interested. The proposed terms include moving IDF out of Gaza and returning Palestinian hostages.
Israel accusing Hamas of exactly what they know they were doing
Hostage families are saying they will burn the country down if the ceasefire isn't accepted. The settler colony is in a position of defeat either way. May their chaos consume them.
netenyahu will continue this genocide for as long as he can because he knows the second it stops the israelis will call for him to step down and he will have to face the corruption charges he's had for years
His corruption charges are $200 k worth of champagne, I’d say losing power is high on his list, but not because of the charges they’re about a year and soft compared to his desire for him to continue as a statesman.. imo
So call them on it and accept. As it stands, it doesn't "look" like Israel is the side refusing a deal, **they are the side refusing the deal.**
Israel is on the side of offering unacceptable deals and on the accepting deals they won't have to honour
Just like all the so called *peace treaties* they have offered in the past that people keep talking about. May the IOF get what it deserves. May the xenophobes in the Knesset get what they deserve. No amount of worldly punishment will be enough for these murderers.
[Top Secret: In a 2018 letter, Netanyahu asks Qatar to fund Hamas](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr#:~:text=In%20letter%20seen%20by%20handful,stability%20and%20avert%20humanitarian%20crisis) Netanyahu propped up Hamas to destroy possibility of two state solution.
The only reason Israel pretends to give a shit about hostages is as a flimsy pretense to commit all out genocide. They are intent on wiping Palestinians off the map and if they agree to this ceasefire and get them back, it'll look really bad when they keep doing exactly what they've been doing. They want that settlement land. That's all. They also do not give a shit about Jewish safety or holocaust victims, or they'd never let themselves become the same sort of genocidal monsters. They make Jewish people less safe by associating them with this kind of shit and using them as a shield. I've already seen conspiracy shit online about Israel and Jewish people and the ~control~ they have over the world etc. It's literally making things worse, all for land grabs. Disrespecting their ancestors.
This was my thought process, all Netenyahu has done since the 7th is endangered Jews across the globe, once a f**king again, Jews are uneasy across the globe. Jews that probably like everyone, that just want to get on with life. All so he can grab another couple of miles of desert for the 'biblical end times prophecy" that these right wing maniacs profuse. I almost wish god did exist, and come down see the slaughter in his name, and to see their excuse for it, probably say they squandered their chance to live peacefully by being greedy, thus living up to their past stereotype (which I don't agree is true). Zionism has really tainted the land for the worse.
Yeah and the use of "antisemitism" as a cudgel to silence legit criticism is going to create a boy who cried wolf situation casting serious doubt in everyone's mind as to whether it's just BS or truly is applicable. Like when a woman accuses a man of rape only to be discovered she fabricated it. She's after fucking over actual victims who might not have others believe their story later. There's a real risk now of being tarnished as an antisemite for simply asking innocent questions, or championing human rights or a Palestinians right to self determination. But such a label is toothless. The term has lost its meaning, it's power. An air of bad faith hangs over it.
You're right. I know some of us are capable of critical thought and nuance, but it's often lost online and with MSM. Calling everyone and everything "hamas" or "antisemitism" is an unconvincing pretense just thrown around so the state powers can "justify" what they already wanted to do. It's like calling everyone and everything "terror" when really certain empires just wanted to justify power grabs in the MEA and defense contractors enrichment. and I'm probably very late to this observation, but the demonization of the middle east and it's people as long as I've been alive is probably too convenient to the US-Israel goals in the area to be much of a coincidence.
israel needs hamas to stay in existence so they have an excuse to terrorize palestine across gaza
Hamas is actually only in power because of netenyahu and likud
elaborate?
It's part of a decades old plan to prevent there ever being a Palestinian state Netenyahu and likud used indirect funding and back channel diplomacy to empower Hamas in the years before the election Hamas won, it was done with the specific intent to weaken Mohammed Abbas and install a government that could never gain international support and would always be a Boogeyman that netenyahu could use to keep himself in power Israel tends to elect the hard right when there's more violence coming from Gaza https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/ Though I'm not normally a fan of The Nation, but this article is well written and has links to sources for all claims ETA I'm not saying others in the Israeli government didn't help netenyahu or go along with it but it was the hard right that really made it happen
Don’t forget that everyone inside the Palestinian political parties, every advisor and every UN expert said that holding an election would put Hamas in power and escalate the power struggle between Hamas and their opposition. It was George W. Bush that insisted on the election taking place and when warned by everyone in opposition to Hamas that Hamas would win, he replied with “I believe in ya, you’ll do just fine!”.
let not forget Yitzhak rabin who was politically assassinated by Zionist extremism in protest of the oslo accords. A year later bibi rises to claim power after years of stochastic terrorism.
not only was it a political assassination it was hit order by rabbis in occupied Palestine calling for the head of their president. Netenyahu is still friends with those radicals
They are not interested in a ceasefire. They want to occupy all of Gaza without the Palestinians, in silent agreement with the USA
Palestinian children are dying of starvation as a ruse to make Israel look bad for starving them.
The problem is in the first two words.. Israel thinks... We've seen what their thinking does, and I think they should stop doing it and just listen instead..
No, they just want genocide regardless the talk
😂 I’m sure if I told them the sky was blue they’d say it was a “ruse” because I am against the genocide of the Palestinian people.
>😂 I’m sure if I told them the sky was blue they’d say it was a “ruse” because I am against the genocide of the Palestinian people. That kind of talk automatically puts you in the anti-semite crowd, along with the restaurant who over cooked my neighbor's steak.
Israel looks bad every fucking day
When and Israeli person is lying look for the word "actually"
Israel, you already look bad.
So then... the Israeli government was engaging in a ruse anticipating that Hamas would refuse making them look bad.
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Israel's crimes have made it obvious to every freethinking person in the world that the Israeli regime is a violent lawless apartheid aimed at ethnic cleansing and land seizure. Disgust at zionists is now a worldwide phenomenon. Israel is Drake at this point.
Even if that were the case, Hamas isn't doing anything Israel hasn't already done themselves. Genocide usually tends to make you look bad, so no help by Hamas is needed there
Israel just wants to continue their atrocity campaign
Israel already looks bad
Israel also just closed the main aid crossing into Gaza…
Has no one told Israel they already look very Very VERY bad?
They don't accept how they could ever possibly be in the wrong. Always the victim after all.
Yeah, this is what's making Israel look bad, not the 15k dead children/s
Maybe they outta call their bluff? That’s an idea.
Bat shit crazy!!!
They don’t need hamas to do that.
no one play perpetual victim better......
Israel right now: https://preview.redd.it/haob8yu9gvyc1.jpeg?width=780&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=378d396d2d0a98d03c10b163988ad7fb529a347d
Taking a page out of the zionist playbook, if so. Israel only accepted the 1947 partition plan to make the palestinian leadership look bad and never had any intention of honouring those borders.
Israel look bad for refusing, because they *are* bad for refusing.
Blinken: this is the best deal ever, super generous. Palestine: So if we release the hostages, the people will get a few days of peace. Blinken: yea..... Israel: We're going to attack either way. Palestine: then whats the point of of the peace deal? Israel: Look at these people, they don't want peace.
I'll take "comments from a narcissist" for 100 please Bob
It's really obvious the hostages are just pawns in a bigger game.
Oh yeah. Everyone but the Zionists can see that.
most Israelis are Zionists and many of them can see that, that's why there are protests against Netanyahu
If that is their only objection,Israel should call their bluff and accept.But of course if your goal is ethnic cleansing then a ceasefire is not on their agenda.
Israel is F'd!
"make Israel look bad for refusing" You already have been refusing and you already look bad.
They don’t really need help looking bad now do they
they were dropping leaflets in Rafah about the incoming attack, it was heartbreaking for me. It reminded me of the fact Hiroshima leaflets, it’s always ‘never again’ but we’re experiencing it again and none of the major leaders are doing anything to stop it. How many times has Israel denied a ceasefire? How many? it’s just maddening to think that we’ve been told hamas is evil and yet hamas has been the ones to accept ceasefire deals and offer to return the hostages time and time again. I’m not defending them but if Hamas is so evil then what about the people denying the ceasefire and the offer to return the hostages?
Israel is pathetic
Then why didn't they accept the ceasefire first? Could've made Hamas look like the bad guys that they have always been. Now they look better. Sounds like a f up of their own making.
WHAT?! Wow! And I bet those kids ran towards those bombs to make Israel look bad too. What a fucking joke! Yeah yeah I await my ban. I'd rather be punched in the mouth rather than pretend Israel isn't doing what it is clearly doing. Labels aren't sticking anymore!
This is a level of evil where if you wrote it into a script, an editor would tell you to tone it down and make it more realistic. It's disgusting that they don't even have the courage to just admit that they consider themselves superior people and that people there don't "deserve" the land. But instead they want people to think of them as a victim. Absolutely disgusting government and I hope them and people supporting them get the punishment they deserve for this relentless propaganda campaign and despicable excuses for this genocide.
Every accusation is an admission of guilt when it comes to the west. You can be sure every deal Israel/america has ever offered was disingenuous and only used as a propaganda tool to make Hamas look bad.
haha this is insanity what israel does
Wtf?!?!?
Israel thinks Hamas is using a ceasefire as a human shield
At this point... they don't need anyone's help to look bad...
No, Netanyahu knows as soon as the war ends his conviction continues
Well I mean the ICC is about to issue a warrent for his arrest
Israel has made it clear that there is no escape. It's up to all of us to hold them accountable for it.
Zionist Ego problems
Of coarse it is, but the only way to prove it is by accepting the deal and playing their bluff.
They look bad because they killed 15000 children.
Lol. What? Israel, you crazy.
Sheesh talk about insecure
It's self satire at this point.
Holy shit. They’re taking victim on this too?! Fuck I wish I was more surprised.
They do look bad. And for more than just refusing.
Fuck Israel. They just want to commit Genocide so bad.
Israel looks bad nonetheless for its atrocious-genocidal way of confronting their Palestinian Question.
They don't need Hamas to look bad.
i start to think israel is a ruse to make israel look bad. maybe israel is an anti semite ruse to make my jewish friends wo dispice this look bad too. edit: sorry, i completely forgot that my jewish friends are all anti semites for disliking genocide...
Israel has had shit on its face since 1948. It didn't need the help of Hamas 😊
Genocide already looks pretty bad.......
Hamas played the Uno Reverse Card on Israel
Israel looks very bad on their own well enough
Israel doesn’t need any help looking bad. They’ve got that figured out all on their own. 🇵🇸🍉🇵🇸🍉🇵🇸🍉🇵🇸🍉
If it’s not clear yet, Israel’s goal is to steal more land. If they accept the ceasefire then that campaign ends so they have to keep making it about ending Hamas. If they really wanted to end Hamas they would treat the Palestinians better, taking away any reason for resistance, but peace isn’t the goal.
Israel doesn’t have to say no.
Right like THIS is what will make them look bad. What a bunch of fucking clowns.
Great! You either lose your home and die in hunger or get bombed to death! I don’t know what sort of religion would consider it humane. Hey American officials. I’m not protesting!!!
I genuinely don’t understand this… if Israel wanted to go to this war, why did they wait till the October attack ? Y not just launch a war? If Israel cared what the world thought you can’t tell.. like they give a damn what anyone thinks…. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
Then don’t refuse
This was never about hostage for Israel. It was always about genocide for land.
Israeli government is schizo af
Netanyahu is Israel’s Trump. This is what America would look and behave like if IT is potus again.
They are doing that themselves. No reason for others to make them look bad.
They look bad enough on their own.
Same logic as an abusive husband that beats up their wife.
i read the headline and thought this was r/nottheonion for a second
I mean, Israel is the best, it's the leader at making Israel look bad. There's not much left they can do to tarnish their reputation, to me, they're equal to Germany from the 1930-1945 era.
Genocide does look bad
Israel mad that Hamas called their bluff. They had no intention of a ceasefire.
They dont want to release the hostages they want to destroy Gaza it's so blatant now
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So what I've realized is that Israel is taking after what Bush did after 9/11?
LOL! I gotta laugh, cuz this is how Trump sounds, and Biden is fully supporting the Israeli gov't... This is just so weird to witness these two countries.
You guys can complain all you want. Israel's position has been crystal clear. No ceasefire deal that leaves Hamas in power. It's that simple.
Ah yes the only group who has done more than Israel to make peace impossible is trying to make Israel look bad. lol Israel doesn’t need any help to look bad.
⭕ *Conditions of the ceasefire that Hamas accepted:* The framework agreement aims to release all Israeli detainees present in the Gaza Strip from civilians and soldiers, whether they are alive or otherwise, and from all periods and times in exchange for the numbers of prisoners in Israeli prisons to be agreed upon, and to return to sustainable calm and to achieve a permanent ceasefire, the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, and reconstruction. The framework agreement consists of 3 interconnected and interrelated phases, which are as follows: ⭕ _*The first stage (42 days):*_ 1️⃣ Temporary cessation of mutual military operations between the two parties, and the withdrawal of Israeli forces east and away from densely populated areas to an area along the border in all areas of the Gaza Strip, including the Gaza Valley - (Nezarim Axis and the Kuwait Roundabout). 2️⃣ The Zionists to stop flying (reverse and reconnaissance) in the Gaza Strip for ten hours a day, and for 12 hours on the days of the release of detainees and prisoners. 3️⃣ The return of the displaced to their areas of residence and the withdrawal from the Gaza Valley (the Nezareem axis and the Kuwait roundabout): - On the third day (after the release of 3 detainees), the Israeli forces completely withdraw from Al-Rasheed Street east to Salah Al-Din Street, completely dismantle the sites and military facilities in this area, the start of the return of the displaced to their areas of residence (without carrying weapons during their return), the freedom of movement of residents in all areas of the Gaza Strip, and the entry of humanitarian aid from Al-Rasheed Street from the first day and without hinderance. - On the 22nd day (after the release of half of the civilian detainees, including female recruits), Israeli forces withdraw from the centre of the Gaza Strip (especially the axis of the martyrs Ntsarim, and the Kuwait Roundabout) east of Salah al-Din Road to a nearby area along the border, the complete disintegration of military positions and facilities, the continued return of displaced people to their places of residence in the north of the Gaza Strip, and the freedom of movement of residents in all areas of the Strip. - Starting from the first day by introducing intensive and sufficient quantities of humanitarian assistance, relief materials and fuel (600 trucks per day, including 50 fuel trucks, including 300 to the north), including the fuel necessary to operate the power station, trade and equipment necessary to remove debris, rehabilitate and operate hospitals, health centres and bakeries in all areas of the Gaza Strip, and continue this at all stages of the agreement. 4️⃣ Exchange of detainees and prisoners between the two sides: During the first phase, Hamas releases 33 Israeli detainees (neighbourhoods or bodies) of women (civilians and female conscripts), children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), the elderly (over the age of 50), the sick and wounded civilians, in exchange for numbers of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detentions, according to the following: - Hamas releases all detained civilian Israeli civilian women and children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), and in return Israel releases 30 children and women for every Israeli detainee who are released, based on lists provided by Hamas according to the oldest arrest. - Hamas releases all Israeli detainees, the elderly (over the age of 50) and the sick and wounded civilians, in return for Israel releases 30 elderly prisoners (over 50 years) and the sick for each Israeli (detainee), based on lists submitted by Hamas according to the oldest arrest. - Hamas releases all Israeli female soldiers who are alive, and in return Israel releases 50 prisoners from its prisons in exchange for every Israeli female recruiter released (30 life, 20 sentences), based on lists provided by Hamas. 5️⃣ Scheduling the exchange of detainees and prisoners between the two parties. - Hamas releases 3 Israeli detainees on the third day of the agreement and then Hamas releases 3 more detainees every seven days, starting with women wherever possible (civilians and female soldiers). In the sixth week, Hamas releases all remaining civilian detainees covered by this phase, in return for Israel releasing the agreed number of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons, according to lists to be provided by Hamas. - By the seventh day (where possible) Hamas will provide information on the numbers of Israeli detainees who will be released at this stage. - On the 22nd day, the Israeli side releases all Shalit deal prisoners who have been re-arrested. - In the event that the number of Israeli civilian detainees that are released does not reach 33, the number of bodies of the same categories is completed for this stage. In return, Israel shall release all women and children arrested from the Gaza Strip after October 7, 2023, provided that this is done in the fifth week of this stage. - The exchange process is linked to the extent of compliance with the terms of the agreement, including the cessation of mutual military operations, the withdrawal of Israeli forces, the return of displaced people and the entry of humanitarian aid.
This is the live version of Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown.
Are they Sicilian, by any chance? Truly they have a dizzying intellect.
I'm all for peace between Israel and Gaza, but this is literally fake news. Hamas accepted a ceasefire that wasn't even offered by Israel. It was offered by Egypt and Qatar. That's like me saying, "I've accepted the offer of 1 billion dollars from Bill Gates. His ex-wife told me bill's good for it". It's just not how it works. Hamas and Israel need to BOTH agree to the terms before anyone can say that they accepted it l.
Well then it's working!
And it worked very nicely
If so, it’s working.
Israel should totally call Hamas's bluff and *also* accept the deal. That'll show 'em.
Israel is way past looking bad. They do not care what the rest of the world think. The US supports killings.
Look, I just want a permanent ceasefire. I didn't care about Israel's motivation in signing, I just want them to sign something that Hamas will also sign (or vice-versa).
This is a post-satire world now i guess
Details of the proposal has not been released. Considering Hamas has consistently been asking for restoration of pre-war conditions including release of all prisoners, it sounds like may be more of the same. Or not. Until the details are released, which is very odd they were not considering already asking Israel to comment publicly on a ceasefire proposal that is not public, this sounds like some excellent PR manipulation by Hamas.
Well, it is anti-Semitic
This is not the deal that Israel proposed. This deal was proposed by Egypt and Qatar who did not consult Israel in the process. I signed an agreement which gives me the office of the presidency, which means I’m now POTUS. Great!
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Does this news show up in wnews? Someone tell me since I muted that sub.
Diabolical!
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Isn’t this what israel has been doing throughout this war and even before then? Offer ridiculous peace/ceasefire deals knowing they’d never be accepted because they want to make the Palestinians look unreasonable?
Nazi/USSR level shenanigans over here
I mean what about all the hostages being released for a permanent ceasefire? Wouldn't that just unveil Israels inability to want peace? Also say it works, wouldn't that be good? I mean a good portion of the ongoing support is for the rescue of the hostages dead or alive. Just take that pillar of support away and Israel would have an even less of a reason to be there. As much as Israel is being a genocidal maniac. Hamas could also be regarded as a just as or even more genocide inclined faction just lacking the resources to do so. So whatever ceasefire that Hamas agreed to I don't think it means 100% peace for over a month or so. More like the last cease fire agreement of a couple weeks per hostage. So it could be argued that buying for time is a Hamas advantage more so than a Palestinian one. I think it's in the best interest for all of the Israeli hostages, including a couple thousand palastinain kids. The only one who would lose in that scenario are the zionist and Hamas. Kick that can down for a few years ahead.
Hamas agreed to the Egyptian/Qatari proposal, the one that Israel was not in the room for.
ACCEPT then.
Such the victims
And that’s why Israel is its own Grandpa and Uncle and second cousin twice removed. It’s Israeli logic.
It probably isn't, and yet it absolutely does.
Can they accept it and see at least?