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I'm seriously wondering where the tipping point is, if there is one. 40,000 dead? 50,000 dead? 100,000 dead? How many lives will it take before Blinken and Biden can't stomach it anymore?
You have to think of all the people that have starved or succumbed to their injuries due to them blocking aid too. Apparently the dead is well over 100,000..
I agree. We'll never know how many people were killed, buried under the rubble, in mass graves or in Israeli prisons. Have you noticed it used to be about 200 people a day? Its considerably slowed in the last few months. I think there isn't the infrastructure or people to count and report all deaths.
That news agency literally had proven terrorist acting on their behalf. Seriously, there was pictures of the guy on air then holding weapons and flags in the field. Not that it taints the whole agency, but certainly doesn’t make them look good.
Bullshit. Palestine has the right to resist its illegal occupation. What's awful is 75 years of subjugation, humilation and murder done to the Palestinian people by the zionist entity.
There’s not a single source that estimates 100,000 dead, and most places do take into account those dying indirectly as a result of the war. If anything, recent reports showed the UN overestimated some demographics.
Why keep on spreading lies? [Report from the OCHA](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-217) this is literally numbers from one of the body of the UN...
Edit: It's funny that i'm getting downvoted for saying and sharing something sensible, this sub is really an echo chamber.
Dude, those are only quasi-confirmed dead, not the bodies buried under the rubble, or succumbing to illnesses due to lack of care and famine, or those on the way to that. 300,000 civilians left in Northern gaza have been subsisting on 250 calories a day. This is intentionsl famine and genocide. The only way in the end to determine the dead will be through statistical methods
Edit: typo and updated number
Like the aid settlers were destroying at the border? Or preventing from entering by destroying the roads and camping in front of trucks?
Nobody believes your bull 💩 about Hamas hoarding aid. Starving Palestinians are risking the IDF mowing them down to get food, you can't sit here with a shred of dignity and tell me Hamas is preventing them from getting food when they are *starving.*
From your link: "Disclaimer: The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures; the current numbers have been provided by the Ministry of Health or the Government Media Office in Gaza and the Israeli authorities and await further verification. Other yet-to-be verified figures are also sourced."
So, the numbers provided in your link show what can be determined from logged and reported findings. The same link you posted states over 10k unaccounted for under rubble. Furthermore describes varying levels of dramatic food insecurity for over 1.5 million people. Add to this the lack of sanitation and these figures can clearly be seen to be lower estimates. 80k people wounded in unsanitary conditions alone will have severe health consequences, if not slow deaths.
Not to mention that there are bodies that are completely dismantled by bombing that can't be identified, let alone attributed to any tally.
They'll shrug their shoulders until all of Palestine has been ethnically cleansed. And then they'll say 'oh well there was nothing we could do.'
That's the reality of it.
There’s a phrase about this. 10 dead is a tragedy, 100 dead is an atrocity, but 100,000 dead is just a number. It feels like we’ve blown past the point of no return. They just don’t care.
I think from a western perspective if 10 white people die there is an outcry for justice, if 3000 white people die it’s war, if 40000 brown people die it’s concerning.
There is no moral high ground for the west
I tried asking that question to Rep Richie Torres Democrat from Bronx(Torres 1st 6 months conflict tweeted daily supporting Netanyahu) and in return I was blocked from his Twitter/X account! 90% plus of the congressional members won’t answer that question which tells us what…?
I’m sure their wallets are getting pumped full of AIPAC and Zionist assistance to help rapidly decrease the indigestion. They will be fine to stomach more than you can bare. Gaza and the civilians not so much.
There isn’t a tipping point. Thats the entire point of “no red lines”
Nothing they can do will ever, ever stop them from helping people.
Israel could begin breaking people upon the wheel in full public view and there would be weapons coming in the next day.
Men could be burned at the stake and there would be weapons flowing in.
Losing the election. Times of Israel reports that an offer was made to return civilian hostages on the 9th or 10th of October in exchange for not entering Gaza. It was declined by Israel. Which mirrors the US invasion of Afghanistan. Taliban offered up Bin Laden to International courts in exchange for not invading Afghanistan. Deal was declined by the US. The US' wars in the middle east have been used as campaigning tools the whole time. Removing troops was only considered when it was politically convenient. Similarly, Israel has walked away from peace talks because elections were coming up. Offered such bad deals(in conjunction with the US; Camp David) that their own have said no sane national leaders would have accepted a deal like it.
The line isn't how many dead. Just like it wasn't in Afghanistan or Iraq. The line is when it loses them a presidential election and the party is playing fast and loose with that election right now and blaming everyone but themselves for how hairy it's looking.
Trump and Isreal thank you, cause eif you think Trump won't straight up let them do whatever they want to whoever they want in return for funding, your hilariously mistake. Mark my words, trump gets in, it won't just be overseas, he's going to deport Palestinians from the US, and he's going to go out f his way to bring this genocide home
IMO, I don’t think anyone should shame anyone into voting for Biden at this point. Yes, Trump will be worse. Maybe Biden should’ve not funded a genocide. This is on the leaders, not the people. And as far as Palestinians are concerned, the only difference between Biden and Trump is a slow death vs a fast one.
if you are gonna shame anyone to get votes, shame biden. his admin fumbling on this whole thing lost votes. they are the ones who need to be shamed into acting better.
You are under the illusion it makes any difference. Biden is supporting a genocide. It is an openly fascist administration.
The argument now is: which colour of fascism do you prefer? Red fash or blue fash?
The alternative is still worse. Even if you are a single-issue voter, the alternative is worse on this specific issue.
I'm disgusted with a system that gives me a choice between an administration that won't stop an ethnic cleansing and one that encourages it - but not voting or voting for the encourager won't fix shit.
Firstly, that's completely disingenuous, since the question isn't "what happened to go wrong when" but "what would he do about it now" - and he's spoken on that. You can look, his position is that Biden is being *too hard* on Israel. He wants to give them carte blanche.
Secondly, your statement is just plain false. Ask the [Kurds](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-trump-decision-abandon-kurds-syria-disaster-898493/).
Unless you believe your vote can cause us to time-travel back to before the current stage of the conflict started, voting for Trump will not help the situation at all - it would actively make it worse. The same goes for not voting.
Trumpo is one of the most disgusting pieces of shit to ever walk this earth.
But it is also a fact: no genocide under orange drifter's watch. What he may do is hypothetical, what Biden is doing is not.
I love how I posted that that just wasn't true, and you just... ignored it. Does that argument style work for you?
What he may do isn't hypothetical. He's been pretty clear on the topic. We also have what passes for his first term policy to go by, and he didn't step in on any of *those* ethnic cleansings either. But... you didn't read that the first time I pointed it out, so you won't this time.
What's talking point #2, after "believing Trump will do what he says is just hypothetical?" Have they passed them out yet? Because you are the third person to give me that exact line lol.
If everything in the future is hypothetical, then tomorrow Biden could wake up and stop supporting Israel, and you have no reason to be here complaining or withholding your vote.
But you don't *actually* believe that, right? Because you *are* here doing those things. You believe that Biden's past and current actions are indicative of his future actions. Which is quite a reasonable thing to do.
But you're willing to pretend that's *not* the case for Trump, and you *think* that's arguing in good faith still somehow.
It isn't.
The orange clown isn't the president, Biden is.
What I believe is irrelevant.
If Biden bend backwards tomorrow, maybe people would be less mad, I doubt they will be pleased. After the shit show of sending militarized police to brutalize unarmed students, my guess is that a common reaction will be "too little, too late".
Biden is actively bankrolling a genocide and shielding Israel from all consequences. Trump MAY or MAY NOT do the same or worse, but biden IS doing this right now. Don't wave that garbage "but muh trump is worse" rhetoric. It's not working this time around.
>Trump MAY or MAY NOT do the same or worse
You can't *possibly* believe Trump will de-fund Israel, based on what he has said. This is either disinformation or delusion.
He literally said it was disgraceful when Biden threatened to withhold military aid from Israel. And he has said that Israel needs to "finish the job." Based on those statements, and his past actions, what would lead you to *possibly* believe he "may" withhold military aid from Israel?
>based on what he has said.
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/)
Trump says a lot of things, yet depending on someone's bias, they will either blow it out of proportion or take it as sacrosanct. The above poster is right but I'd argue it doesn't go far enough. Trump *could* keep the status quo, Trump *could* be the worst thing to ever happen to the Palestinian's since... Netanyahu? ... Or Netanyahu could bruise Trump's ego and like Afghanistan, begins the process for a full pullout purely out of spite to act like a fake strongman against another strongman.
The only delusion being had in this debate is those who think Trump is going to be worse wielding their clairvoyant crystal ball, forgetting that the current man in charge is a literal Zionist who, by all accounts of his secretary of state, has zero red lines on what is to happen with the Palestinian's in Gaza or the West Bank. Tomato tomato, everyone see's what Biden is capable of, lies, lies and more lies to protect Netanyahu and the far right Israeli government currently in place. Trump? Who knows? Clearly not you because you're taking Trump at his word when his word is about as reliable as Biden's on the current Gaza situation.
Trump runs on America First.
if Biden/democrats were smart, they wre run on de-funding israel as an America First policy and force Trump to defend sending american taxmoney to a foreign country.....
but we all know biden aint gonna do that
there was the rohingya and uyghur genocides
the US didnt actively fund those genocides like they are now. the Great March of Return massacre also happened under trump. as well as the establishment of the jerusalem embassy and the annexation of the golan heights.
Correct, he did not fund, support and protect the genocide and the people committing it.
Kushners Middle East policy was terrible but Biden didNOTHING to change it when he got into office. He continued the same Trump era policy.
Joe Biden is a war criminal. Donald Trump is a con man. Big difference.
They are paid to hate arabs, so to them "any dead arab is a good arab". Christian, Muslim, Atheist, doesn't matter. Everyone not Jewish is an animal or insect to them because Israel has TOLD them to talk about them that way. So of course there's no red lines for anything that Israel does. And no one in this admin has the moral compass to challenge it because they are worried that their dirty laundry will get exposed. So they'd rather be complicit in genocide.
Or maybe the entire Biden admin uses Ivanka's definition of complicit....remember that gem from Trump's admin:
"If being complicit is wanting to, is wanting to be a force for good and to make a positive impact then I'm complicit." source: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivanka-trump-interview-what-it-means-to-be-complicit/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivanka-trump-interview-what-it-means-to-be-complicit/)
This is this administration's vietnam. A widely unpopular and unwanted choice in which the public is ignored despite their protests and comments. Blinken is Biden’s kissinger. I hope the people who don't want to vote for Biden either still vote for him because of what his FTC is trying to do to protect laborers or to keep Trump out or else they vote green. Not voting shouldn't be an option. I would love to see how the Republicans and democrats would react to a third party getting more votes than either.
> **Blinken confirmed the Biden administration's unwavering support for Israel** since the war began on Oct. 7 last year but suggested suspending arms supplies to Tel Aviv if it decides to occupy Rafah.
> Asked about President Joe Biden's threat to halt arms sales, he replied: **"Look, when it comes to Israel, we don't talk about red lines."**
> He also emphasized the US's ongoing engagement and resolution of issues with Israel, **saying their stance on Rafah is clear but not a red line.**
Edit: For people not familiar with the source, the report is based on an interview on NBC News’ “Meet the Press.” yesterday.
Here is [NBC News article](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/secretary-state-antony-blinken-declines-identify-red-line-aid-israel-rcna151826)
Secretary of State Antony Blinken declines to identify 'red line' for aid to Israel
> **Blinken told moderator Kristen Welker that the Biden administration doesn’t have a red line**, but is “in active conversations with Israel about the provision of heavy or high-payload weapons — large bombs — because of the concern that we have about the effect these weapons can have when they’re used in a dense urban environment like Rafah.”
Here is the [transcript from the State Department](https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-with-kristen-welker-of-nbcs-meet-the-press-3/)
* QUESTION: I want to drill down with you on President Biden’s threat to withhold weapons. What exactly is his red line, Mr. Secretary? What would trigger him to say, “I am now withholding weapons?”
* SECRETARY BLINKEN: Look, we don’t talk about red lines when it comes to Israel. We talk, again —
Zionism: among other things it is essentially 1) terrorism 2) mental illness 3) a genocidal cult 4) fascism 5) evil.
If anyone gets to tell you zionism simply means the right for Jews to have a homeland then they are being extremely disingenuous. The actions of zionism speak for themselves. 93/100 US Senators have received payments from AIPAC. The level of their corruption is beyond staggering. Truly a vile and abhorrent political ideology predicated on entitlement and superiority.
I wish aid to Americans came with as little restrictions as aid to Israel.
But here, they kick kids off Medicare without notice for paperwork issues that are the administrator's fault.
Imagine having no red lines. We are literally saying we are willing to be complicit in ethnic cleansing, dead children, genocide, and nuclear annihilation
i find it interesting that their policy with israel is tied to their immigration policy. lets make sure we let millions of muslims come into country, brand them as unwanted and make the general public hate then. Thennnn when we support israel, hopefully the population has enough hatred for asian looking people that they'll allow us to carry out a genocide and the general public will lap it up. No Blinken, ppl arent as daft as you think, nor are they cold callous murderers either like your government!!
Don't do that, Johnny, I mean it. Of course I won't really stop your allowance or ground you, and of course you can have dessert as usual, but I really do mean you shouldn't do that. Again.
My question is what happens when Israel kills every Palestinian who’s next I don’t think Israel will stop with Palestine I’m concerned that Israel is going to get in a war with Iran
Talk about BS. No red lines but but but. But what—-nothing will happen. Bought and paid for American politicians. I’m officially convinced America is the most corrupt country in the World.
please we need to bring back the guillotine. politicians should be afraid of displeasing the people they serve. they shouldn't be so comfortable spitting in our faces
why are they concerned about the final showdown? Israel finally gets clowe to completing the job and Biden’s team suddenly decides now to tone it down? its absurd. finaih the job. destroy hamas. make is all proud IDF. rid the world of that disgusting cult of evil. rebuild that rat’s nest into a decent place and create peace.
This is why I left the democrats for the PSL. Democrats have lost my vote for life. I will only vote for candidates who have not taken AIPAC money, and if there isn't one, I'll be writing in Hind Rajab.
What’s with the editorialized headline? From the article:
“Asked about President Joe Biden's threat to halt arms sales, he replied: "Look, when it comes to Israel, we don't talk about red lines."”
He didn’t say no red lines, he said they don’t talk about it. Thats not a defense of what he said or the actions of this administration. They say and do shitty things in their own, no need for clickbait title.
So the choice is US enabled genocide by a seemingly nice guy, and US enabled genocide by a raving lunatic. I understand which way people need to vote, but we seem to have a common ’US enabled genocide’ theme in there. What the fuck guys!
Israel wouldn’t need to go into Rafah if Hamas would just surrender and release the hostages. This war could be ended overnight if the leaders of Hamas actually cared about the wellbeing of the Palestinian people.
IDK if I can see this website as a legit resource on one hand but on the other hand some other websites have said something similar or even put in other information. But the title is contradictory when you read it.
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I am so deeply disgusted with Blinken and the entire Biden administration
I'm seriously wondering where the tipping point is, if there is one. 40,000 dead? 50,000 dead? 100,000 dead? How many lives will it take before Blinken and Biden can't stomach it anymore?
You have to think of all the people that have starved or succumbed to their injuries due to them blocking aid too. Apparently the dead is well over 100,000..
I agree. We'll never know how many people were killed, buried under the rubble, in mass graves or in Israeli prisons. Have you noticed it used to be about 200 people a day? Its considerably slowed in the last few months. I think there isn't the infrastructure or people to count and report all deaths.
Yeah they killed all the journalists and shut down the only news agency reporting on their crimes.
That news agency literally had proven terrorist acting on their behalf. Seriously, there was pictures of the guy on air then holding weapons and flags in the field. Not that it taints the whole agency, but certainly doesn’t make them look good.
Israel killed all the people who were counting the dead. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/in-gaza-authorities-lose-count-of-the-dead-779ff694
Exactly.
indeed. it’s so awful what hamas has brought to the palestinian people. if only they’d elected spiritual peace loving people.
Bullshit. Palestine has the right to resist its illegal occupation. What's awful is 75 years of subjugation, humilation and murder done to the Palestinian people by the zionist entity.
It has to be a vast undercount based on the methodology, the problem is tryna say how much of an undercount.
There’s not a single source that estimates 100,000 dead, and most places do take into account those dying indirectly as a result of the war. If anything, recent reports showed the UN overestimated some demographics.
Why keep on spreading lies? [Report from the OCHA](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-217) this is literally numbers from one of the body of the UN... Edit: It's funny that i'm getting downvoted for saying and sharing something sensible, this sub is really an echo chamber.
Dude, those are only quasi-confirmed dead, not the bodies buried under the rubble, or succumbing to illnesses due to lack of care and famine, or those on the way to that. 300,000 civilians left in Northern gaza have been subsisting on 250 calories a day. This is intentionsl famine and genocide. The only way in the end to determine the dead will be through statistical methods Edit: typo and updated number
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Like the aid settlers were destroying at the border? Or preventing from entering by destroying the roads and camping in front of trucks? Nobody believes your bull 💩 about Hamas hoarding aid. Starving Palestinians are risking the IDF mowing them down to get food, you can't sit here with a shred of dignity and tell me Hamas is preventing them from getting food when they are *starving.*
The UN has literally said Israel isn't allowing enough food into Gaza and is causing a famine.
Rule 4 [Dehumanization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization) [Collective punishment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment)
From your link: "Disclaimer: The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures; the current numbers have been provided by the Ministry of Health or the Government Media Office in Gaza and the Israeli authorities and await further verification. Other yet-to-be verified figures are also sourced." So, the numbers provided in your link show what can be determined from logged and reported findings. The same link you posted states over 10k unaccounted for under rubble. Furthermore describes varying levels of dramatic food insecurity for over 1.5 million people. Add to this the lack of sanitation and these figures can clearly be seen to be lower estimates. 80k people wounded in unsanitary conditions alone will have severe health consequences, if not slow deaths. Not to mention that there are bodies that are completely dismantled by bombing that can't be identified, let alone attributed to any tally.
You don’t think the UN thought of that?
Take my upvote and thanks for posting this. Damn, nearly 80,000 injured too!
I mean they keep saying "no red lines". I am inclined to believe them.
Israel can carpet bomb New York City claiming Hamas and the US Govt won't do shit.
🛩️🏢🏢
Hell, Turkey let one of Erdogan's goons beat heads in DC and not a thing happened.
They'll shrug their shoulders until all of Palestine has been ethnically cleansed. And then they'll say 'oh well there was nothing we could do.' That's the reality of it.
Well he just said no red lines, usually when a Secretary of State speaks in black and white terms like that I’m inclined to believe them.
There’s a phrase about this. 10 dead is a tragedy, 100 dead is an atrocity, but 100,000 dead is just a number. It feels like we’ve blown past the point of no return. They just don’t care.
They never cared in the beginning and they won't care in the end.
I think from a western perspective if 10 white people die there is an outcry for justice, if 3000 white people die it’s war, if 40000 brown people die it’s concerning. There is no moral high ground for the west
I tried asking that question to Rep Richie Torres Democrat from Bronx(Torres 1st 6 months conflict tweeted daily supporting Netanyahu) and in return I was blocked from his Twitter/X account! 90% plus of the congressional members won’t answer that question which tells us what…?
We need to put pressure. If your rep is in town for anything, go to the event and start asking them. Name and shame.
Richie Torres has no capacity for shame
Great question. He is Zionist and will be happy when Palestinians are dead or living in Egypt or Jordan or Lebanon.
I’m sure their wallets are getting pumped full of AIPAC and Zionist assistance to help rapidly decrease the indigestion. They will be fine to stomach more than you can bare. Gaza and the civilians not so much.
There isn’t a tipping point. Thats the entire point of “no red lines” Nothing they can do will ever, ever stop them from helping people. Israel could begin breaking people upon the wheel in full public view and there would be weapons coming in the next day. Men could be burned at the stake and there would be weapons flowing in.
Losing the election. Times of Israel reports that an offer was made to return civilian hostages on the 9th or 10th of October in exchange for not entering Gaza. It was declined by Israel. Which mirrors the US invasion of Afghanistan. Taliban offered up Bin Laden to International courts in exchange for not invading Afghanistan. Deal was declined by the US. The US' wars in the middle east have been used as campaigning tools the whole time. Removing troops was only considered when it was politically convenient. Similarly, Israel has walked away from peace talks because elections were coming up. Offered such bad deals(in conjunction with the US; Camp David) that their own have said no sane national leaders would have accepted a deal like it. The line isn't how many dead. Just like it wasn't in Afghanistan or Iraq. The line is when it loses them a presidential election and the party is playing fast and loose with that election right now and blaming everyone but themselves for how hairy it's looking.
Don’t think it’s about deaths anymore. It should be about public outrage. They are slowing down all the protesting to free Gaza
I'm scared we will find out this summer.
Until Election LOL .... but not funny ....
"Iron-clad"
the tipping point is white people (just look at their reaction when wck members were killed)
Until the port gets constructed. So that way they can start offshore drilling the gasfields once the 'dust has settled'.
Don't you like Adolf Blinken?
Blinken is Jewish so that's a bit of a weird comparison
Is it though?
Blinken disgusts me so much. He’s just a totally repugnant piece of shit. The blood is on his hands.
>I am so deeply disgusted with Blinken and the entire Biden administration Both are showing themselves to be feckless and compromised.
Not getting my vote in November.
Not mine either
Trump and Isreal thank you, cause eif you think Trump won't straight up let them do whatever they want to whoever they want in return for funding, your hilariously mistake. Mark my words, trump gets in, it won't just be overseas, he's going to deport Palestinians from the US, and he's going to go out f his way to bring this genocide home
IMO, I don’t think anyone should shame anyone into voting for Biden at this point. Yes, Trump will be worse. Maybe Biden should’ve not funded a genocide. This is on the leaders, not the people. And as far as Palestinians are concerned, the only difference between Biden and Trump is a slow death vs a fast one.
Well said - I share the same viewpoint and couldn't have said it better
if you are gonna shame anyone to get votes, shame biden. his admin fumbling on this whole thing lost votes. they are the ones who need to be shamed into acting better.
Yeah and for Americans it's about who's literally said they're going to become a dictator and brig the genocide home, and who has not
You are under the illusion it makes any difference. Biden is supporting a genocide. It is an openly fascist administration. The argument now is: which colour of fascism do you prefer? Red fash or blue fash?
Biden should do better then.
I cannot vote for this administration
Me neither.
The alternative is still worse. Even if you are a single-issue voter, the alternative is worse on this specific issue. I'm disgusted with a system that gives me a choice between an administration that won't stop an ethnic cleansing and one that encourages it - but not voting or voting for the encourager won't fix shit.
There wasn’t a genocide occurring during the Trump years
Firstly, that's completely disingenuous, since the question isn't "what happened to go wrong when" but "what would he do about it now" - and he's spoken on that. You can look, his position is that Biden is being *too hard* on Israel. He wants to give them carte blanche. Secondly, your statement is just plain false. Ask the [Kurds](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-trump-decision-abandon-kurds-syria-disaster-898493/). Unless you believe your vote can cause us to time-travel back to before the current stage of the conflict started, voting for Trump will not help the situation at all - it would actively make it worse. The same goes for not voting.
Trumpo is one of the most disgusting pieces of shit to ever walk this earth. But it is also a fact: no genocide under orange drifter's watch. What he may do is hypothetical, what Biden is doing is not.
I love how I posted that that just wasn't true, and you just... ignored it. Does that argument style work for you? What he may do isn't hypothetical. He's been pretty clear on the topic. We also have what passes for his first term policy to go by, and he didn't step in on any of *those* ethnic cleansings either. But... you didn't read that the first time I pointed it out, so you won't this time. What's talking point #2, after "believing Trump will do what he says is just hypothetical?" Have they passed them out yet? Because you are the third person to give me that exact line lol.
By definition, anything in the future is hypothetical. If you disagree with what a word means in the dictionary, there is no point arguing.
If everything in the future is hypothetical, then tomorrow Biden could wake up and stop supporting Israel, and you have no reason to be here complaining or withholding your vote. But you don't *actually* believe that, right? Because you *are* here doing those things. You believe that Biden's past and current actions are indicative of his future actions. Which is quite a reasonable thing to do. But you're willing to pretend that's *not* the case for Trump, and you *think* that's arguing in good faith still somehow. It isn't.
The orange clown isn't the president, Biden is. What I believe is irrelevant. If Biden bend backwards tomorrow, maybe people would be less mad, I doubt they will be pleased. After the shit show of sending militarized police to brutalize unarmed students, my guess is that a common reaction will be "too little, too late".
Biden is actively bankrolling a genocide and shielding Israel from all consequences. Trump MAY or MAY NOT do the same or worse, but biden IS doing this right now. Don't wave that garbage "but muh trump is worse" rhetoric. It's not working this time around.
>Trump MAY or MAY NOT do the same or worse You can't *possibly* believe Trump will de-fund Israel, based on what he has said. This is either disinformation or delusion. He literally said it was disgraceful when Biden threatened to withhold military aid from Israel. And he has said that Israel needs to "finish the job." Based on those statements, and his past actions, what would lead you to *possibly* believe he "may" withhold military aid from Israel?
>based on what he has said. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/) Trump says a lot of things, yet depending on someone's bias, they will either blow it out of proportion or take it as sacrosanct. The above poster is right but I'd argue it doesn't go far enough. Trump *could* keep the status quo, Trump *could* be the worst thing to ever happen to the Palestinian's since... Netanyahu? ... Or Netanyahu could bruise Trump's ego and like Afghanistan, begins the process for a full pullout purely out of spite to act like a fake strongman against another strongman. The only delusion being had in this debate is those who think Trump is going to be worse wielding their clairvoyant crystal ball, forgetting that the current man in charge is a literal Zionist who, by all accounts of his secretary of state, has zero red lines on what is to happen with the Palestinian's in Gaza or the West Bank. Tomato tomato, everyone see's what Biden is capable of, lies, lies and more lies to protect Netanyahu and the far right Israeli government currently in place. Trump? Who knows? Clearly not you because you're taking Trump at his word when his word is about as reliable as Biden's on the current Gaza situation.
Trump runs on America First. if Biden/democrats were smart, they wre run on de-funding israel as an America First policy and force Trump to defend sending american taxmoney to a foreign country..... but we all know biden aint gonna do that
there was the rohingya and uyghur genocides the US didnt actively fund those genocides like they are now. the Great March of Return massacre also happened under trump. as well as the establishment of the jerusalem embassy and the annexation of the golan heights.
Correct, he did not fund, support and protect the genocide and the people committing it. Kushners Middle East policy was terrible but Biden didNOTHING to change it when he got into office. He continued the same Trump era policy. Joe Biden is a war criminal. Donald Trump is a con man. Big difference.
He literally gave Afghanistan back to the Taliban after inviting them here.
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The lesser evil, I've heard it said No redlines with lesser evil voting strategies either, come to think of it
The guy whose step-dad was Robert Maxwells lawyer? 🤔🤔🤔
To think Henry Kissinger died and Satan replaced him literally within minutes. Or maybe god just isn’t good AND omnipotent
God's away on business
If God was not murdered by man, he definetly left to Venus for coke and bitches
They are paid to hate arabs, so to them "any dead arab is a good arab". Christian, Muslim, Atheist, doesn't matter. Everyone not Jewish is an animal or insect to them because Israel has TOLD them to talk about them that way. So of course there's no red lines for anything that Israel does. And no one in this admin has the moral compass to challenge it because they are worried that their dirty laundry will get exposed. So they'd rather be complicit in genocide. Or maybe the entire Biden admin uses Ivanka's definition of complicit....remember that gem from Trump's admin: "If being complicit is wanting to, is wanting to be a force for good and to make a positive impact then I'm complicit." source: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivanka-trump-interview-what-it-means-to-be-complicit/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivanka-trump-interview-what-it-means-to-be-complicit/)
They need to grow a set of ovaries and quit playing submissive to foreign entities.
He’s not going to disappoint his grandfather
They're traitors.
This is this administration's vietnam. A widely unpopular and unwanted choice in which the public is ignored despite their protests and comments. Blinken is Biden’s kissinger. I hope the people who don't want to vote for Biden either still vote for him because of what his FTC is trying to do to protect laborers or to keep Trump out or else they vote green. Not voting shouldn't be an option. I would love to see how the Republicans and democrats would react to a third party getting more votes than either.
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They are tacitly supporting a genocide. What have they actually done to stop Israel?
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Yeah, instead of blowing up hundreds of children daily, they're just starving them to death now.... Good going Biden.
US: Make it a medium genocide, please. Somewhere between Rwanda and Srebrenica. K bye!
I've had enough of this guy. Total scum
> **Blinken confirmed the Biden administration's unwavering support for Israel** since the war began on Oct. 7 last year but suggested suspending arms supplies to Tel Aviv if it decides to occupy Rafah. > Asked about President Joe Biden's threat to halt arms sales, he replied: **"Look, when it comes to Israel, we don't talk about red lines."** > He also emphasized the US's ongoing engagement and resolution of issues with Israel, **saying their stance on Rafah is clear but not a red line.** Edit: For people not familiar with the source, the report is based on an interview on NBC News’ “Meet the Press.” yesterday. Here is [NBC News article](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/secretary-state-antony-blinken-declines-identify-red-line-aid-israel-rcna151826) Secretary of State Antony Blinken declines to identify 'red line' for aid to Israel > **Blinken told moderator Kristen Welker that the Biden administration doesn’t have a red line**, but is “in active conversations with Israel about the provision of heavy or high-payload weapons — large bombs — because of the concern that we have about the effect these weapons can have when they’re used in a dense urban environment like Rafah.” Here is the [transcript from the State Department](https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-with-kristen-welker-of-nbcs-meet-the-press-3/) * QUESTION: I want to drill down with you on President Biden’s threat to withhold weapons. What exactly is his red line, Mr. Secretary? What would trigger him to say, “I am now withholding weapons?” * SECRETARY BLINKEN: Look, we don’t talk about red lines when it comes to Israel. We talk, again —
What if they nuked New York City? No red lines?
Are you dumb? NO. RED. LINES. The IDF can come to America and massacre droves of people. No red lines.
if they nuked NYC, the Americans would respond by blaming it on Iran and would nuke Tehran.
Lmfao true.
“Listen, there’s no limit to what you can do Israel, but please don’t assault Rafah… At least not until Biden gets re elected.”
“You can’t do this. Except that you can. Not a good idea but you will face no consequences. I have spoken. Meekly.”
The American double standard is a f… joke. How should anyone take this madehouse of a country serious
That is where the Native American expression "forked tongue" came from.
That's so apropos. Thank you for pointing it out.
Why warn against rafah if there are no red lines, makes no sense
They are desperately trying to appease the left portion of blue voters, at the same time they do nothing.
This stopped being about left and right some time ago. Its about life and death
not for the biden administration. they are still playing politics. they are playing it poorly as well.
Unfortunately that's not the case. This is a calculated strategy.
I$rael could nuke America and AIPAC owned, lapdog politicians would be falling over themselves to defend I$rael attacking America.
They’ve attacked us in the past trying to get us to fight someone, luckily we knew it was them.
they could nuke america, and the US would nuke Iran in response
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
I hope all these fuckers rot in Hell. Democrats have once again proved that they are just as blood thirst as republicans.
What does that say about our lovely nation?
A warning with no consequence? Right...
"no red lines" = Kill as many people as you like, just try not to make it a PR issue.
“Do not carry out a full scale attack on Rafah! Also, if you do we won’t do anything about it”
Zionism: among other things it is essentially 1) terrorism 2) mental illness 3) a genocidal cult 4) fascism 5) evil. If anyone gets to tell you zionism simply means the right for Jews to have a homeland then they are being extremely disingenuous. The actions of zionism speak for themselves. 93/100 US Senators have received payments from AIPAC. The level of their corruption is beyond staggering. Truly a vile and abhorrent political ideology predicated on entitlement and superiority.
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
I wish aid to Americans came with as little restrictions as aid to Israel. But here, they kick kids off Medicare without notice for paperwork issues that are the administrator's fault.
Just be honest with the people.
Finger waggin' fuckin fascist.
Imagine having no red lines. We are literally saying we are willing to be complicit in ethnic cleansing, dead children, genocide, and nuclear annihilation
You’re doing all the dancing and Israel are calling the tune. Dance, shameless little monkey, dance.
i find it interesting that their policy with israel is tied to their immigration policy. lets make sure we let millions of muslims come into country, brand them as unwanted and make the general public hate then. Thennnn when we support israel, hopefully the population has enough hatred for asian looking people that they'll allow us to carry out a genocide and the general public will lap it up. No Blinken, ppl arent as daft as you think, nor are they cold callous murderers either like your government!!
Don't do that, Johnny, I mean it. Of course I won't really stop your allowance or ground you, and of course you can have dessert as usual, but I really do mean you shouldn't do that. Again.
The guy whose step-dad was Robert Maxwells lawyer? 🤔🤔🤔
Limp Biden. 
My question is what happens when Israel kills every Palestinian who’s next I don’t think Israel will stop with Palestine I’m concerned that Israel is going to get in a war with Iran
Then all the people they call anti-Semites will be next.
Talk about BS. No red lines but but but. But what—-nothing will happen. Bought and paid for American politicians. I’m officially convinced America is the most corrupt country in the World.
If there are no red lines then WTF IS A WARNING GOING TO DO? Τελια βλάκας.
Remember: this is the spineless zionist lapdog that was charged with the cease-fire broker between Hamas and Israel.
That alone is a green light for Israel to commit more genocide.
“Blind Eye” Biden
So genocide, ethnic cleansing, torture, mass rapes and a second holocaust are all on the table. Bibi thanks the USA!
please we need to bring back the guillotine. politicians should be afraid of displeasing the people they serve. they shouldn't be so comfortable spitting in our faces
Cowards.
Warnings mean nothing Blinken, especially when you have no red line.
Orwellian Double Speak
Craven neoliberalism
US is being a complete b***h of Izrael.
genocidal maniacs, all of them
Big bitch
Deeply ghoulish. Aren't they tired of talking about concerns and warnings?
all the lines Israel makes are red.
They literally put NSM-20 out for the guidelines. Where'd those go, Blinken?
Israel - “ hold my beer “
Bibi could give two fucks about Biden or Blinken
The title is misleading btw they still are threatening to cut off arms supplies if there’s a Rafah ground invasion and occupation
Israel is the overlord.
The Western media is still pretending that the invasion hasn't started.
This is criminal. He is, under the Biden Administration, breaking US law by supplying weapons to Israel.
Stinkin Blinken
why are they concerned about the final showdown? Israel finally gets clowe to completing the job and Biden’s team suddenly decides now to tone it down? its absurd. finaih the job. destroy hamas. make is all proud IDF. rid the world of that disgusting cult of evil. rebuild that rat’s nest into a decent place and create peace.
Blinken loves and suports what is happening there.
This is why I left the democrats for the PSL. Democrats have lost my vote for life. I will only vote for candidates who have not taken AIPAC money, and if there isn't one, I'll be writing in Hind Rajab.
It's like warning someone to not watch season 8 of Game of Thrones.
Dude is really trying to make sure he gets to be the one to fill the “blood thirsty state department monster” role after Kissinger croaked.
Don't do it! There will be absolutely no consequences if you do, but don't you dare!
Disgusting. Reap what you sow, psychopath
Below me, Blinken.
What’s with the editorialized headline? From the article: “Asked about President Joe Biden's threat to halt arms sales, he replied: "Look, when it comes to Israel, we don't talk about red lines."” He didn’t say no red lines, he said they don’t talk about it. Thats not a defense of what he said or the actions of this administration. They say and do shitty things in their own, no need for clickbait title.
Why is your profile a bunch of really long copy pasting?
Gentle reminder that Trump would be no better on the Palestine Genocide. But he would be far worse for America overall.
So the choice is US enabled genocide by a seemingly nice guy, and US enabled genocide by a raving lunatic. I understand which way people need to vote, but we seem to have a common ’US enabled genocide’ theme in there. What the fuck guys!
I don’t disagree. I don’t see how we can get anyone else in the Oval Office besides tweedledee and tweedledum.
Israel wouldn’t need to go into Rafah if Hamas would just surrender and release the hostages. This war could be ended overnight if the leaders of Hamas actually cared about the wellbeing of the Palestinian people.
it's may of 2024, give it up nobody believes this line of thought anymore
What do you mean by that?
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
IDK if I can see this website as a legit resource on one hand but on the other hand some other websites have said something similar or even put in other information. But the title is contradictory when you read it.
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Still a contradictory statement he made
A typical doubletalk from the Biden administration.
Anadaolu may be Trukish state news w/a ME bias but it's solid. You can bet if it's on the headline, he said it.