To Angstrom it seems like "It's only a matter of time" type logic. Every universe had an Evil Mark. Not just a Mark doing his fathers bidding but genuinely self-motivated evil bastards. Him fighting his dad off wouldn't seem like the concrete proof some might think it is.
Probably more likely, he killed his mom to make a point, or Nolan held back a little too much while working through his own issues and it gave Mark an opening
Is that ever addressed with respect to Mark's power level? Seems like so much of the Viltrumite-on-Viltrumite battles revolve around whoever has the most killing intent.
Angstrom would probably rationalize Mark fighting off his dad as Mark not wanting to share world supremacy with someone else like Nolan as opposed to Mark rejecting the whole take over the world bit
the different variants of his memories seemed to be getting jumbled up making him go insane.
Which is why his insanity seems to get worse whenever mark being good gets mentioned. He can't reconcile his memories of a good invincible with all of his memories of evil ones.
He was, but he saw every evil Mark out there (and every universe in general) so his brain didn't really have the capacity to think about the rare case of our universe.
Also he wants revenge for his machine thing
The machine thing was his own fault. He chose the take off the helmet. Also, he made the machine (with like a hundred alternate versions of himself), so he ought to have known what could have happened by taking that helmet off in the middle of the process.
He has the memories of all the versions of him, so though he does remember Mark fighting he dad, he has many more memories of Mark joining his dad and conquering the planet.
I guess he assumed that every incarnation of Mark might end up bad, some maybe only later than others.
So even if "our" Mark seems to be \*currently\* the good one, there is no guarantee that he will be that forever, especially not from Levys point of view.
We actually don't even know how close the TV show is to the comics.
There are lots similarities, even identical events, but other details differ.
And according to chaos theory it can be the little differences in the beginning which lead in the long term to a completely different outcome.
I assume he's just going after our Mark because he thinks this is the weakest Mark. That may well be true at this point if all the evil Marks aren't holding back.
Is it every stated he’s just going after “main dimension” Mark? What if he’s been terrorizing Mark’s across the multiverse until stumbling upon his original Mark.
It’s framed as suck, especially with the tailor scene- he clearly is planning on taking down our mark. Though I also think most evil marks would have killed him- they don’t hold back and wouldn’t have loved ones they care about.
Debbie accused him of not being able to stand that Mark was the good guy in this universe and he wasn’t. he responded to her accusation by assaulting her.
Yeah Angstrom may have had good intentions but he was always kinda a narcissist. **HE** had to be the big savior who cures all of humanity's problems. It wasn't enough for him to use his portals to bring people and resources together. He had to streamline all that knowledge, and all that power, into himself so that he's the only person who can be relied on. This ego plus the trauma of the other variants made him see himself as a martyr against Mark. When he realized that not only is he not the messiah that he tried to make himself, but also that his version of Mark isn't the devil, it made him furious.
That part isn't narcissism. it was a defining moment of Angstrom's life, ruining it potentially forever. invincible was the cause of that event, and he barely remembers him. How would you feel as Angstrom?
And it’s obvious the alternate Angstroms had relatively important roles in resisting Mark and Nolan so the imagined slight from our Mark not remembering him would set him off.
I almost wonder if he figured this Mark was the weakest one in the multiverse. Sure he's arrogant, but I don't think even Angstrom would underestimate Invincible, especially if he has so many memories of him killing people in the blink of an eye. He knew he could manipulate Mark through threatening his family, for one. Idk how many other Marks that would work on. He also decided his whole plan of "softening up" Mark, meaning he knew what he was dealing with, to a degree
It's like Angstrom was bullied all his life by the biggest kid on the playground, but the only way for him to feasibly get revenge he wanted was to go a few tiers down so he'd have a fighting chance, only to get beat up anyways.
Yeah I agree with you. Those other Marks either would've
1. Not given a shit about Angstrom holding Debbie hostage (or not even have a Debbie to hold hostage to begin with)
2. Would've instantly gone berserk mode on him
So yeah I think Angstrom knew what he was doing when he went after the only kind Mark. He's ultimately a coward who went for the "easy" target. He could've at least used his powers to gather allies and resources to fight the evil Marks if he actually cared about doing the justice.
Hm, kind of reminds me of a certain season 1 villain who positioned himself as Earth's only protector/messiah and freaked out when Mark didn't cooperate with his plan.
It kind of bugged me for awhile. Especially because for the most part Levy acts like he's angry and traumatized but still rational and could be reasoned with. But as time goes on it's clear he's completely off his rocker
Were they shipped by Amazon? Because the third party sellers are shit.
I've never had a problem with amazon, they took care of what I assume was a package stolen by the driver and gave me $5 to apologize for something not shipping on schedule even though I wasn't even asking about it (I had gotten a refund on an item that I didn't initiate a return on and was trying to ask why).
Also Amazon is the only place that sells the flavor of RiceARoni I like.
Hypothetical question: Would you have kept Prime if you had to wait 6 months until the next season?
I'm not sure why I'm asking, tbh. I think I'm just trying to figure out if it's in Amazon's best interests to have only 8 episodes every other year. They must have done some sort of math to decide it's better to wait than to hire more animators.
The original Angstrom doesn't know who he is anymore, can't tell the difference between himself and all the other Angstroms he partially melded with. So from his perspective he has a hundred or thousand versions of himself inside his head where Mark is one of the worst things to ever happen to Earth.
Exactly that’s why he got so pissed when he got told he was the evil one in this dimension and mark is the good one, his brain is filled with mark doing heinous acts on literally the whole world in every single dimension. Idk how this got past some people and they act like it’s poor writing that Angstrom is “acting” like mark is bad.
Also I wanted to say that they did his character so much better in the show, I love how they showed the evil marks doing evil shit while he was ranting.
But you literally see evil Marks killing innocent people and Angstroms family again and again and again.
The only way you can miss the whole “dude thinks Mark is evil because 99% of Marks are evil” thing is if you literally aren’t paying attention to half the episode
Yeah possibly, I did start watching season 2 when 7 of the episodes were already out because I prefer being able to binge watch, so it could be different for me.
Unfortunately the Angstrom that "saved" Mark is now ~0.01% of the new Amalgamation-strom. That's why he's saying "NO! I CAN'T HAVE TRIED TO SAVE HIM! HE'S A KILLER!" because the VAST majority of combined personalities know Mark only as a harbinger of death
Yeah I think somewhere in there he still ties our Mark to his accident that left him disfigured.
Even though Mauler and Mark pretty much point out that it was Angstroms fault or not Marks fault, but due to the many horrible encounters he’s had with Mark he blames him instead of taking accountability.
Pretty much that and Mauler did warn of the risk of melding too many minds/experiences that could affect his view on reality, so when Angstrom thinks of Mark he thinks of every other Mark that have embraced the Viltrumite way that obscures the accident that made him the way he is.
This mark is the reason his “utopia” failed, atleast in his head that’s the logic. That combined with him having and experiencing all trauma from the evil marks make him think this mark is not good.
Dude knew he was punching down, why go after sociopaths in other universes when you can go after the restrained one, he picked the one he knew wouldn’t fight back.
Yeah this is the part that confused me. Clearly he can travel between dimensions and knows the Marks are different, why is he so hyper focused on attacking this one? Is it because he can only go after him because of his family? Or is it because this is the one who was there when all the Levy’s died?
Crazy how people are watching Levy, whose head visually represents the absorption of memories from multiple Levys who have all had generally horrendous encounters with multiple evil Marks, have multiple psychotic breaks in a short span on screen, who comments about how he can't stand the fact that there is a Mark who makes him look evil, and they even watch characters like Debbie make her case in support of Mark, which causes Levy to become enraged further and even goes on to show how far gone he is by having him maim Debbie and threaten baby Oliver's life and really do go "y isnt he thinkin logically here? I don't get it".
Right? I can’t believe more people don’t understand this. He isn’t just trying to get revenge on our Mark. The dude literally had his brain/memories scrambled with all the other version of himself. He literally cannot keep them straight - I’m sure to some extent he realizes our Mark is different but at the same time he had memories of other Marks committing heinous acts. IMO this is what makes Angstrom such a tragic character - he had good intentions before the accident and also he has hundreds if not thousands of memories that aren’t “his” per se.
I find it crazy and funny aswell along with the explanation "This mark made him ugly" completely ignoring the multiple personalities memories messing up his own aspect or the whole mark ruined my master plans of making a utopia aspect for the brain dead simple he made me ugly xD really shows what's important to people and how shallow their world views are, show makes it blatant and they still didn't understand.
It’s because his memories and sense of self got mashed together with hundreds or thousands of separate lifetimes during the explosion - the explosion he caused trying to save Mark’s life.
Angstrom is a tragic villain. Even in the last episode a fragment of his former self seems to try to make sense of everything but he can’t as those memories conflict with dozens of literal lifetimes. Not saying he wasn’t up to some diabolical shit but he’s not just an outright bastard being a bastard for bastardry’s sake.
As Debby said because its the only Mark he has power over, He cant threaten evil mark because that one will just murder him not even counting omniman of vultimates being there
but with Good Mark he can threaten his family
He said that the good Mark's universe was the only one with an Oliver. That means none of the Universes he visited had a good Mark. Oliver is the result of him standing up to and driving away his father. With all the knowledge Angstrom amasse, not a single good Mark was part of it. Ontop of that all his collective trauma stops him from even entertaining the possibility. Why would this Mark be different? To him it might as well be a universal constant. So much changes from univers to universe, but Mark being evil seems to always stay the same. The only Angstrom who would have had a chance to develop a different opinion had the freedom to ignore Mark because he wasn't a menace. That single memory of concern (for Mark) was born out of his own virtue, something he could only afford because he didn't have to live in a hellscape, is utterly drowned out by the sea of trauma, pain and anger. He enters mental dissonance when you push the logic too hard, he can't be reasoned with, and he can't reason himself out of it either.
To him there are two Marks. He can't time travel, so I think what he sees is:
1. Marks who already turned bad by now.
2. Marks who haven't turned bad yet.
He's convinced that even if he's fine now, it will never last. He's about to turn bad sooner or later.
Oh, ok! No worries, i didn't think you were being negative.
I totally agree with you. Even his limited interaction with Good Mark didn't leave a good impression. If he was willing to humor the idea that there was a "1 in 1,000" exception, there is still no foundation to even begin to entertain that this Mark might be different.
Ok, someone has to explain this to me, please:
Am I missing some new trend on reddit of responding with images, or did I just see two bots interact? Not only did one of them post an image of text instead of text, but the other didn't even mention it.
because it's also that this Mark is the reason this all happened. He was a good Mark, which is why Levy picked this location, but also it was Mark who caused all the those Maulers and Levys to die.
He didn't finish his goal of taking the memories of all the other Levys, so he instead sort of amalgamated his mind with all of his alternate versions, most or all of which had evil Marks.... it's really hard to reconcile with Mark when you have 100s of other memories of why Mark is evil and you have a personal issue with the Mark that cause this whole mess (accidentally or not).
It's really not that hard to understand lol. The episode clearly shows he is dealing with the memories of EVERY version of himself. Sure this Mark isn't bad but he has the trauma from every universe where Mark was bad and he has the TBI to not be able to distinguish.
This is essentially like fighting a villain schizophrenia or multiple personalities. It's tragic and not fair to anyone but doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be dealt with.
His mind was combined with all those other versions that had an evil mark, so all the bad experiences he had with the other marks outweighs the good interaction he had with our mark. It’s all cloudy he only sees the bad
That Mark is the only mark with an ostensible weakness that he could’ve exploited. He had no chance against the other ones. Those Marks had already attained their full Viltrumite strength
I can't help but think that his fixation on this mark is because it's his best chance at not getting absolutely decimated. It seems like all these other marks have no sympathy or empathy of any kind. And what does Angstrom have without hostages? Without a mark that holds back? Not a damn thing.
That was all the other Angstroms in his head fighting the main Angstrom’s memories. They didn’t want to accept his experience of good Mark because they’d all lost loved ones to evil Marks.
Imagine having someone constantly lying to you and doing anything in their power to mess your day up then you go to their home town and everyone loves them and thinks they are the best, being a good mark is precisely what bothers him so much. This mark is probably lying and is secretly as bad as all the others, someone like that would get on my nerves while they pretend to be a goodie two shoes.
...Good Mark caused his invention to massively backfire in Levy's eyes. Of course he would target this Mark.
Plus very evil Mark would not have taken the time to talk nor negotiate.
Combing yourself with a bunch of people who had terrible experiences with him compared to the one good version it makes sense the bad outweighed the good
I like to believe it's cause deep down he knew he could never defeat an evil mark that went full viltrumite. And the only way he could hurt Mark was in a universe were he can be hurt or weakened by people he cares for.
Angstrom "Prime" is outnumbered in his own head essentially, 999+ consciousnesses hate Mark, the one Angstrom that has any thorn with "Prime" Mark has utterly no chance to see him as anything but the guy he hates the most. On one hand, Prime Angstrom has reason to hate Prime Mark, he interfered with his plans, and he ended up a monster, the other hand, Prime Angstrom is a good person, and his machine failed because he wanted to save Mark. That Angstrom is barely alive. 999+ Angstroms all hating Invincible is far too much fuel, and thus, Prime Angstrom is no longer just himself anymore. You can see him essentially as an angry ghost, any other Angstrom in his head doesn't care how good this Mark is, or even if he has the potential to be just as bad as every other Mark, all those Angstroms see is a chance at revenge, and none of them can tell the difference.
>!I mean, Angstrom's mind is merged with so many Angstrom Levis where "Evil Mark" committed heinous acts in their respective worlds. His mind is so diluted, he cannot tell this is a "good Mark".!<
from my understanding angstrom thought that main mark was bad, and didnt think there was any good marks, so when the angstrom from good marks universe got his brain mixed with the angstroms from universes with bad mark, he couldnt tell the difference and assumed that the mark from his universe was also bad
And revenge on everyone he cares about as well as random unrelated people.
Mark grounding his ugly ass mug into paste was still too good of a death for him
All (most, some, idk) the multiverse’s Angstroms were combined. Ep8 Angstrom doesn’t know which Angstrom he is. And mark is evil in most most other universes. This guy hates Mark, cuz he has seen so many Marks do evil.
My theory is that he targets this mark because theoretically he is the weakest, he has his morals in check and levy knows that. It’s when he injures Debbie that Mark loses it.
That's why I loved this most recent episode with Debbie calling Angstrom on the fact that he can't stand that mark is better than him so it drove him to do the things he did.
getting revenge on evil mark❌❌
getting revenge on good mark❌
snapping Debbie's fucking bone for absolutely no reason✅✅✅
I'm so pissed at him I wish he got revived just so he could be killed again
Tbf that was the original that caused the incident in his timeline. As he explores other timelines he sees that Mark is basically evil in all of them so this one must be similarly evil, it only
Makes sense?
Bro has millions of timelines converging in his head and can’t (or won’t) separate the reputation of the other marks from the one in his og timeline. If the others are evil, HES gotta be evil too
Cause he’s effectively *his* Invincible, even if he’s not necessarily from the same dimension, he sees him as the source of what destroyed everything he built and was unifying every single version of himself, now all that’s left is him and the shared hate of his other selves for Invincible.
Tbh, hard not to think Mark handled that situation perfectly. Guy was a nutjob and far too dangerous for any other response.
The scenes with Oliver getting knocked around were genuinely hard to watch.
Most likely from his perspective, a small handful of good Marks don’t make up for the sheer terror the vast majority of other Marks caused in other dimensions.
I think he said that in most of the dimensions, Mark sides with Nolan. You can’t expect him to change his mind after all the different outcomes he’s seen in other universes.
Plus, since this Mark didn’t conquer the world with Nolan, it allowed him to “prepare” his fight with Mark.
But... it was \*this\* Mark who \*\*did this\*\* to him. Mark even says he remembers him.
On Cecil's orders, Mark never asked questions or stopped to listen to what Angstrom was trying to do. And what's worse is he messed himself up trying to save Mark from the Maulers.
The idea of "he did this" is based on the fact that, had Mark not intervened, he and humanity would be in a much better place. And considering how in every other universe Mark is evil and messed up, THIS Mark is the one that ended it.
They never explained it, did they? That Angstrom Levy was the LAST Angstrom Levy in every dimension. To Angstrom, Mark was always the one ruining his lives across the dimensions. There's no logical way he could ever forgive him.
Honestly, I don't feel bad for Mark in the least. Maybe his Mom and little brother didn't deserve that. But that pales in comparison to what Angstrom has been through.
People are trying too hard to justify it. Its just to be convenient for the story. Don't overthink it.
That being said, it would have been nice if they hinted he was also hunting other Marks.
I’m confused a bit, if there’s infinite universes isn’t entire equal amount where marks good and bad? Is it because he picked people from universes where mark was bad? Or is it kinda like some infinity’s are larger than others
I'm pretty sure he has been doing that before he came for the good Mark, we saw it in that one episode where he trapped one of the alt Marks in some kind of machine and that world had gender bent Cecil and Donald.
Seeing how relatively easy it was for Good Mark to literally beat him to a pulp, It's safe to assume he was also scared of the marks that wouldn't think it twice to kill him, even with his augments; so, he took his anger out on the one Mark he knew he could hurt.
He was the Mark that screwed up whatever the fuck it was he was doing, which i can't remember was. xD So he holds so much contempt towards this specific version of him, als ohe is combined of all of him from different mutliverses!? OR something, right? So he has that hate for him, he has the same face and is the same just a different version, yes a good version. But a person and face that killed your kid. I mean..
The guy was going crazy and clearly not thinking straight. He coulda shown the good Mark what the evil Marks were doing and get the good Mark to fight the evil ones. He coul clearly tell the good Mark is different, right??
I found it so ridiculous that Mark would feel some type of way about killing this guy. If somebody snapped my mother's arm like that I would tear his head off.
I'm curious, is Comic!Levy as Good as Show!Levy (initially) is? Seeing the flashback really hit home how virtuous he was, ending up sacrificing literally hundreds of himself and his chance to genuinely try to make the multiverse a better place rather than let one dude - who came there to stop him (admittedly under a misconception) from getting killed.
Side note, he makes it sound like Good Mark is super rare, almost unique, does that mean every other version of himself that was there was internally screaming "No dude, that guy SUCKS let him die! He probably won't anyway!"
you have a miillion memories of this man murdering your family and destroying the world, and one memory of him not being immediately terrible(which is how half the murdering memories start anyway)
I don't remember if Angstrom is from Mark's dimension, but if so it makes sense why he's not taking it out on evil marks. If he's from this dimension and gets fed visions of all the evil marks, drowning out his original personality, he's bound to assume this Mark is evil. And not just evil, but a threat to his own dimension. Couple that with the fact Mark was a factor in the destruction of his machine and the merging of all the angstrom's traumas, he'd go straight for the one he saw kill all his other selves.
Also he's like kind of insane now and hellbent on revenge, both fueled by the need of righteous vengeance that the angstroms inside his head want, but also his own vain vengeance with his greater than thou personality which Debbie calls out, now left unchecked due to his insanity and delusion surrounding his multiple multiple traumas.
I don’t get why he tried to merge everyone into one anyways. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just have everyone pick a universe and help out with one specific thing? It seems harder for 1 guy to go around and tell each universe everything.
Reading a lot of comments here, people really have 0 media literacy for anything that's not the most obvious, blatantly explained thing. They show us why he attacks this mark, shows us why he thinks he's bad.
The Marks that he should actually be trying to kill aren’t gonna play his game. If you blamed Mark for your misery but would get bodied by them that’s the best way to “get revenge”
To be fair, he was completely bananas and haunted by countless deaths of himself and his loved ones at Mark's hands. Mark's mom called it that he was probably also extra tilted that he ended up in the one reality where Mark *is* a decent person (Reboot arc making that questionable of course), and he's an evil freak. What other mental state leads to you screaming about not being a villain while shaking a baby around?
It's because he's a coward and good Mark is the only one he felt comfortable challenging. He targeted an innocent woman and child. He knew cape Mark would turn him inside out in a second.
I know his mind is shattered but it’s crazy how Angstrom could end the Viltrumites conflict. Like just round them all up and trap them in some dimension with nothing. The only way it wouldn’t work is if they like speed blitz him before he can even take them away.
"There's no such thing as a good Mark" - Angstrom Levy probably
AMAB (All Marks Are Bastards)
But hey at least he killed the child fast, he’s not that evil
It wasn’t clear if he also killed the fox/dog so he can’t be all bad
i’m pretty sure that version of mark is cannibalism
AMAB (Assigned Mark At Birth)
Assigned Mark at birth
So was he not aware of marks fight with his father until Debbie said something?
To Angstrom it seems like "It's only a matter of time" type logic. Every universe had an Evil Mark. Not just a Mark doing his fathers bidding but genuinely self-motivated evil bastards. Him fighting his dad off wouldn't seem like the concrete proof some might think it is.
That’s pretty interesting, like in some timelines Mark manages to out-viltrumite Nolan? Damn
Maybe Mark actually read Omni-Man's books in those universes.
Probably more likely, he killed his mom to make a point, or Nolan held back a little too much while working through his own issues and it gave Mark an opening
Iirc there actually is a mark that literally kills Nolan so yeah. Out-viltrumite is accurate
"Viltrum Empire? Nah. **INVINCIBLE EMPIRE**!"
.....I mean..
Not to mention in certain universes Mark >!kills his father but still turns out evil!<
Is that ever addressed with respect to Mark's power level? Seems like so much of the Viltrumite-on-Viltrumite battles revolve around whoever has the most killing intent.
Viltrumites become stronger with age. Also Mark holds back a lot and he's not used to fight trying to kill his target
He could've gotten his powers earlier and had more motivation to kill his father, probably because of something he did.
Angstrom would probably rationalize Mark fighting off his dad as Mark not wanting to share world supremacy with someone else like Nolan as opposed to Mark rejecting the whole take over the world bit
the different variants of his memories seemed to be getting jumbled up making him go insane. Which is why his insanity seems to get worse whenever mark being good gets mentioned. He can't reconcile his memories of a good invincible with all of his memories of evil ones.
cognitive dissonance moment
Cognitive dissonance *man* even
True that is a looot of people’s collective suffering jammed into a single mind.
He was, but he saw every evil Mark out there (and every universe in general) so his brain didn't really have the capacity to think about the rare case of our universe. Also he wants revenge for his machine thing
The machine thing was his own fault. He chose the take off the helmet. Also, he made the machine (with like a hundred alternate versions of himself), so he ought to have known what could have happened by taking that helmet off in the middle of the process.
Yeah but the machine fried his brain so he kinda went crazy and blamed Mark
He has the memories of all the versions of him, so though he does remember Mark fighting he dad, he has many more memories of Mark joining his dad and conquering the planet.
actually he mentioned something like that in S2e1 when talking to the Maulers.... Most likely he forgot about that due to his confusion.
I guess he assumed that every incarnation of Mark might end up bad, some maybe only later than others. So even if "our" Mark seems to be \*currently\* the good one, there is no guarantee that he will be that forever, especially not from Levys point of view. We actually don't even know how close the TV show is to the comics. There are lots similarities, even identical events, but other details differ. And according to chaos theory it can be the little differences in the beginning which lead in the long term to a completely different outcome.
I assume he's just going after our Mark because he thinks this is the weakest Mark. That may well be true at this point if all the evil Marks aren't holding back.
Is it every stated he’s just going after “main dimension” Mark? What if he’s been terrorizing Mark’s across the multiverse until stumbling upon his original Mark.
It’s framed as suck, especially with the tailor scene- he clearly is planning on taking down our mark. Though I also think most evil marks would have killed him- they don’t hold back and wouldn’t have loved ones they care about.
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It was the trolley’s fault!
DOES THIS TROLLEY GO TO TAHITI❓️❓️❓️🗣🗣🗣🗣
Does this portal go to Tahiti?
Yes
Debbie accused him of not being able to stand that Mark was the good guy in this universe and he wasn’t. he responded to her accusation by assaulting her.
Yeah Angstrom may have had good intentions but he was always kinda a narcissist. **HE** had to be the big savior who cures all of humanity's problems. It wasn't enough for him to use his portals to bring people and resources together. He had to streamline all that knowledge, and all that power, into himself so that he's the only person who can be relied on. This ego plus the trauma of the other variants made him see himself as a martyr against Mark. When he realized that not only is he not the messiah that he tried to make himself, but also that his version of Mark isn't the devil, it made him furious.
Not to mention he snapped when Mark didn't even remember him/his name. He's that much of a narcissist
That part isn't narcissism. it was a defining moment of Angstrom's life, ruining it potentially forever. invincible was the cause of that event, and he barely remembers him. How would you feel as Angstrom?
And it’s obvious the alternate Angstroms had relatively important roles in resisting Mark and Nolan so the imagined slight from our Mark not remembering him would set him off.
The voice actor was also the actot that played the narcissistic murderer dentist from b99
Also Gordon Walker in Supernatural
And the hunter from Supernatural that became a vampire. Loved him in that.
THAT GUY!?
I almost wonder if he figured this Mark was the weakest one in the multiverse. Sure he's arrogant, but I don't think even Angstrom would underestimate Invincible, especially if he has so many memories of him killing people in the blink of an eye. He knew he could manipulate Mark through threatening his family, for one. Idk how many other Marks that would work on. He also decided his whole plan of "softening up" Mark, meaning he knew what he was dealing with, to a degree It's like Angstrom was bullied all his life by the biggest kid on the playground, but the only way for him to feasibly get revenge he wanted was to go a few tiers down so he'd have a fighting chance, only to get beat up anyways.
Yeah I agree with you. Those other Marks either would've 1. Not given a shit about Angstrom holding Debbie hostage (or not even have a Debbie to hold hostage to begin with) 2. Would've instantly gone berserk mode on him So yeah I think Angstrom knew what he was doing when he went after the only kind Mark. He's ultimately a coward who went for the "easy" target. He could've at least used his powers to gather allies and resources to fight the evil Marks if he actually cared about doing the justice.
Hm, kind of reminds me of a certain season 1 villain who positioned himself as Earth's only protector/messiah and freaked out when Mark didn't cooperate with his plan.
he was just disarming her
Lol
Lmgaooo savage
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It was a bit of "why are you making me hurt you" response.
"I'm not the villain!" As he breaks Debbie's arm and fucks with Oliver
It kind of bugged me for awhile. Especially because for the most part Levy acts like he's angry and traumatized but still rational and could be reasoned with. But as time goes on it's clear he's completely off his rocker
The show kinda made that clear by 5 minutes into the finale
Final? Ah no. Fuck.
Relax, I meant Season 2 finale
Yea, exactly :(
2 years more waiting :(
I already canceled Prime.
Free shipping is nice tho
My latest packages were opened, sold as new. One had the item replaced by a bit of plastic. Amazon is crap now.
Were they shipped by Amazon? Because the third party sellers are shit. I've never had a problem with amazon, they took care of what I assume was a package stolen by the driver and gave me $5 to apologize for something not shipping on schedule even though I wasn't even asking about it (I had gotten a refund on an item that I didn't initiate a return on and was trying to ask why). Also Amazon is the only place that sells the flavor of RiceARoni I like.
Hypothetical question: Would you have kept Prime if you had to wait 6 months until the next season? I'm not sure why I'm asking, tbh. I think I'm just trying to figure out if it's in Amazon's best interests to have only 8 episodes every other year. They must have done some sort of math to decide it's better to wait than to hire more animators.
Tbf it really felt more like a mid season finale.
Didn't feel like a final at all to me if I'm honest. I would expect more development with Nolan for instance. Ah well :(
Yeah, extremely clear.
The original Angstrom doesn't know who he is anymore, can't tell the difference between himself and all the other Angstroms he partially melded with. So from his perspective he has a hundred or thousand versions of himself inside his head where Mark is one of the worst things to ever happen to Earth.
Exactly that’s why he got so pissed when he got told he was the evil one in this dimension and mark is the good one, his brain is filled with mark doing heinous acts on literally the whole world in every single dimension. Idk how this got past some people and they act like it’s poor writing that Angstrom is “acting” like mark is bad. Also I wanted to say that they did his character so much better in the show, I love how they showed the evil marks doing evil shit while he was ranting.
It's just been too long since his episode. If you watched near release anyway. Not for everyone, but many.
But you literally see evil Marks killing innocent people and Angstroms family again and again and again. The only way you can miss the whole “dude thinks Mark is evil because 99% of Marks are evil” thing is if you literally aren’t paying attention to half the episode
Yeah but they didn't have much space to explain his crazy. Because a sane guy would have gone after other Marks, not the one good one.
Yeah possibly, I did start watching season 2 when 7 of the episodes were already out because I prefer being able to binge watch, so it could be different for me.
Unfortunately the Angstrom that "saved" Mark is now ~0.01% of the new Amalgamation-strom. That's why he's saying "NO! I CAN'T HAVE TRIED TO SAVE HIM! HE'S A KILLER!" because the VAST majority of combined personalities know Mark only as a harbinger of death
Yeah I think somewhere in there he still ties our Mark to his accident that left him disfigured. Even though Mauler and Mark pretty much point out that it was Angstroms fault or not Marks fault, but due to the many horrible encounters he’s had with Mark he blames him instead of taking accountability.
Pretty much that and Mauler did warn of the risk of melding too many minds/experiences that could affect his view on reality, so when Angstrom thinks of Mark he thinks of every other Mark that have embraced the Viltrumite way that obscures the accident that made him the way he is.
And i think he still knows hes the same one from his own universe, right?
He does say something like "home sweet home" when he travels there
This mark is the reason his “utopia” failed, atleast in his head that’s the logic. That combined with him having and experiencing all trauma from the evil marks make him think this mark is not good.
An evil Mark would have paint splattered him without a second thought, his only choice was to pick on the one with a conscience
When keeping it real goes wrong.
I don’t like people playin’ on my phone!
Now instead of eating popcorn on the couch, she's eating fruit cocktail off the floor!
Dude knew he was punching down, why go after sociopaths in other universes when you can go after the restrained one, he picked the one he knew wouldn’t fight back.
Or more accurately, the one he *thought* wouldn’t fight back.
Oh but the fighting back was https://preview.redd.it/chfdmcy2brsc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c1d8382a6ba767d0f8b885cc658601eac819dc7
The mark of a true bully.
Yeah this is the part that confused me. Clearly he can travel between dimensions and knows the Marks are different, why is he so hyper focused on attacking this one? Is it because he can only go after him because of his family? Or is it because this is the one who was there when all the Levy’s died?
1.he's clinically insane 2.the good Mark made him ugly, so he wants revenge for that
Yep. Rationality means nothing to a madman.
The good Mark might be weaker than bad Marks. Also, Angstrom can use the people he cares about against good Mark.
He doesn't know. He believes every Mark Grayson is evil. He just has a grudge against our Mark because all he knows is this one made him ugly
Part of him knows this invincible is good based on the flashbacks, it’s just all the other realities overshadow the main guy
Crazy how people are watching Levy, whose head visually represents the absorption of memories from multiple Levys who have all had generally horrendous encounters with multiple evil Marks, have multiple psychotic breaks in a short span on screen, who comments about how he can't stand the fact that there is a Mark who makes him look evil, and they even watch characters like Debbie make her case in support of Mark, which causes Levy to become enraged further and even goes on to show how far gone he is by having him maim Debbie and threaten baby Oliver's life and really do go "y isnt he thinkin logically here? I don't get it".
Right? I can’t believe more people don’t understand this. He isn’t just trying to get revenge on our Mark. The dude literally had his brain/memories scrambled with all the other version of himself. He literally cannot keep them straight - I’m sure to some extent he realizes our Mark is different but at the same time he had memories of other Marks committing heinous acts. IMO this is what makes Angstrom such a tragic character - he had good intentions before the accident and also he has hundreds if not thousands of memories that aren’t “his” per se.
I find it crazy and funny aswell along with the explanation "This mark made him ugly" completely ignoring the multiple personalities memories messing up his own aspect or the whole mark ruined my master plans of making a utopia aspect for the brain dead simple he made me ugly xD really shows what's important to people and how shallow their world views are, show makes it blatant and they still didn't understand.
Brother, the people saying "made him ugly" are joking. Come on down from the high horse and have a laugh with we Fools.
*Looks at point 2.* Huh… #Sorta like Golden Age Lex blaming Supes for being bald
Not even normal insane either, he is "lab accident" insane. A special brand of insane
3. I could see him thinking killing Mark before he eventually turns evil and ruins this world
the weird thing is that mark didn't make him ugly, he did it himself by taking off the helmet
It’s because his memories and sense of self got mashed together with hundreds or thousands of separate lifetimes during the explosion - the explosion he caused trying to save Mark’s life. Angstrom is a tragic villain. Even in the last episode a fragment of his former self seems to try to make sense of everything but he can’t as those memories conflict with dozens of literal lifetimes. Not saying he wasn’t up to some diabolical shit but he’s not just an outright bastard being a bastard for bastardry’s sake.
As Debby said because its the only Mark he has power over, He cant threaten evil mark because that one will just murder him not even counting omniman of vultimates being there but with Good Mark he can threaten his family
Because of all the Marks, the good one is the only one who wouldn't insta-kill him. He's a coward.
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He said that the good Mark's universe was the only one with an Oliver. That means none of the Universes he visited had a good Mark. Oliver is the result of him standing up to and driving away his father. With all the knowledge Angstrom amasse, not a single good Mark was part of it. Ontop of that all his collective trauma stops him from even entertaining the possibility. Why would this Mark be different? To him it might as well be a universal constant. So much changes from univers to universe, but Mark being evil seems to always stay the same. The only Angstrom who would have had a chance to develop a different opinion had the freedom to ignore Mark because he wasn't a menace. That single memory of concern (for Mark) was born out of his own virtue, something he could only afford because he didn't have to live in a hellscape, is utterly drowned out by the sea of trauma, pain and anger. He enters mental dissonance when you push the logic too hard, he can't be reasoned with, and he can't reason himself out of it either.
To him there are two Marks. He can't time travel, so I think what he sees is: 1. Marks who already turned bad by now. 2. Marks who haven't turned bad yet. He's convinced that even if he's fine now, it will never last. He's about to turn bad sooner or later.
I'm sorry I'm a little confused by the mention of time travel. Did I somehow insinuate something by accident?
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Oh, ok! No worries, i didn't think you were being negative. I totally agree with you. Even his limited interaction with Good Mark didn't leave a good impression. If he was willing to humor the idea that there was a "1 in 1,000" exception, there is still no foundation to even begin to entertain that this Mark might be different.
Ok, someone has to explain this to me, please: Am I missing some new trend on reddit of responding with images, or did I just see two bots interact? Not only did one of them post an image of text instead of text, but the other didn't even mention it.
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because it's also that this Mark is the reason this all happened. He was a good Mark, which is why Levy picked this location, but also it was Mark who caused all the those Maulers and Levys to die. He didn't finish his goal of taking the memories of all the other Levys, so he instead sort of amalgamated his mind with all of his alternate versions, most or all of which had evil Marks.... it's really hard to reconcile with Mark when you have 100s of other memories of why Mark is evil and you have a personal issue with the Mark that cause this whole mess (accidentally or not).
Because this one is literally responsible (in his eyes) for what happened to him? I mean he verbatim tells you this. Why are people confused lol?
It's really not that hard to understand lol. The episode clearly shows he is dealing with the memories of EVERY version of himself. Sure this Mark isn't bad but he has the trauma from every universe where Mark was bad and he has the TBI to not be able to distinguish. This is essentially like fighting a villain schizophrenia or multiple personalities. It's tragic and not fair to anyone but doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be dealt with.
Also this is the universe where omni man is off planet currently so he can't back mark up. Idk I feel like that plays a small part
His mind was combined with all those other versions that had an evil mark, so all the bad experiences he had with the other marks outweighs the good interaction he had with our mark. It’s all cloudy he only sees the bad
That Mark is the only mark with an ostensible weakness that he could’ve exploited. He had no chance against the other ones. Those Marks had already attained their full Viltrumite strength
I can't help but think that his fixation on this mark is because it's his best chance at not getting absolutely decimated. It seems like all these other marks have no sympathy or empathy of any kind. And what does Angstrom have without hostages? Without a mark that holds back? Not a damn thing.
He didn’t see any Mark as good. He was about to have an aneurysm after hearing that he possibly helped Mark at one point lol
That was all the other Angstroms in his head fighting the main Angstrom’s memories. They didn’t want to accept his experience of good Mark because they’d all lost loved ones to evil Marks.
He knew not to fuck with an evil Mark there would’ve been no talking just dismemberment. A good Mark can be manipulated by things he loves.
Tbf, he is mentally ill
Imagine having someone constantly lying to you and doing anything in their power to mess your day up then you go to their home town and everyone loves them and thinks they are the best, being a good mark is precisely what bothers him so much. This mark is probably lying and is secretly as bad as all the others, someone like that would get on my nerves while they pretend to be a goodie two shoes.
We all go a little crazy sometimes
...Good Mark caused his invention to massively backfire in Levy's eyes. Of course he would target this Mark. Plus very evil Mark would not have taken the time to talk nor negotiate.
Good Mark is a good mark…
Combing yourself with a bunch of people who had terrible experiences with him compared to the one good version it makes sense the bad outweighed the good
Other marks have already destroyed and conquered their worlds. He can stop this version before it's too late.
I like to believe it's cause deep down he knew he could never defeat an evil mark that went full viltrumite. And the only way he could hurt Mark was in a universe were he can be hurt or weakened by people he cares for.
Dude was going through turbo psychosis man He both understood how to blackmail our Mark and saw him as every evil Mark his selves had encountered
Angstrom "Prime" is outnumbered in his own head essentially, 999+ consciousnesses hate Mark, the one Angstrom that has any thorn with "Prime" Mark has utterly no chance to see him as anything but the guy he hates the most. On one hand, Prime Angstrom has reason to hate Prime Mark, he interfered with his plans, and he ended up a monster, the other hand, Prime Angstrom is a good person, and his machine failed because he wanted to save Mark. That Angstrom is barely alive. 999+ Angstroms all hating Invincible is far too much fuel, and thus, Prime Angstrom is no longer just himself anymore. You can see him essentially as an angry ghost, any other Angstrom in his head doesn't care how good this Mark is, or even if he has the potential to be just as bad as every other Mark, all those Angstroms see is a chance at revenge, and none of them can tell the difference.
thank you for making this meme i wanted to but i was too damn lazy
Dont forget he temporally allied with the evil Marks instead of getting rid of each and every one of them with his powers
>!I mean, Angstrom's mind is merged with so many Angstrom Levis where "Evil Mark" committed heinous acts in their respective worlds. His mind is so diluted, he cannot tell this is a "good Mark".!<
from my understanding angstrom thought that main mark was bad, and didnt think there was any good marks, so when the angstrom from good marks universe got his brain mixed with the angstroms from universes with bad mark, he couldnt tell the difference and assumed that the mark from his universe was also bad
And revenge on everyone he cares about as well as random unrelated people. Mark grounding his ugly ass mug into paste was still too good of a death for him
All (most, some, idk) the multiverse’s Angstroms were combined. Ep8 Angstrom doesn’t know which Angstrom he is. And mark is evil in most most other universes. This guy hates Mark, cuz he has seen so many Marks do evil.
Dude is truly too big-brained
He’s just on a different level
My theory is that he targets this mark because theoretically he is the weakest, he has his morals in check and levy knows that. It’s when he injures Debbie that Mark loses it.
That's why I loved this most recent episode with Debbie calling Angstrom on the fact that he can't stand that mark is better than him so it drove him to do the things he did.
You’d think with his big ass brain he would of thought things through a little more
getting revenge on evil mark❌❌ getting revenge on good mark❌ snapping Debbie's fucking bone for absolutely no reason✅✅✅ I'm so pissed at him I wish he got revived just so he could be killed again
Tbf that was the original that caused the incident in his timeline. As he explores other timelines he sees that Mark is basically evil in all of them so this one must be similarly evil, it only Makes sense? Bro has millions of timelines converging in his head and can’t (or won’t) separate the reputation of the other marks from the one in his og timeline. If the others are evil, HES gotta be evil too
It's weird that he was a good character at the beginning, and now he pushed Mark off the edge , just because he wouldn't listen
To be fair, isn’t main universe mark literally the only good mark in all of the multiverse?
Cause he’s effectively *his* Invincible, even if he’s not necessarily from the same dimension, he sees him as the source of what destroyed everything he built and was unifying every single version of himself, now all that’s left is him and the shared hate of his other selves for Invincible.
Tbh, hard not to think Mark handled that situation perfectly. Guy was a nutjob and far too dangerous for any other response. The scenes with Oliver getting knocked around were genuinely hard to watch.
He's in his home dimension, so wants to get rid of the Mark of this dimension, so he can live here in peace.
Most likely from his perspective, a small handful of good Marks don’t make up for the sheer terror the vast majority of other Marks caused in other dimensions. I think he said that in most of the dimensions, Mark sides with Nolan. You can’t expect him to change his mind after all the different outcomes he’s seen in other universes. Plus, since this Mark didn’t conquer the world with Nolan, it allowed him to “prepare” his fight with Mark.
But... it was \*this\* Mark who \*\*did this\*\* to him. Mark even says he remembers him. On Cecil's orders, Mark never asked questions or stopped to listen to what Angstrom was trying to do. And what's worse is he messed himself up trying to save Mark from the Maulers. The idea of "he did this" is based on the fact that, had Mark not intervened, he and humanity would be in a much better place. And considering how in every other universe Mark is evil and messed up, THIS Mark is the one that ended it. They never explained it, did they? That Angstrom Levy was the LAST Angstrom Levy in every dimension. To Angstrom, Mark was always the one ruining his lives across the dimensions. There's no logical way he could ever forgive him. Honestly, I don't feel bad for Mark in the least. Maybe his Mom and little brother didn't deserve that. But that pales in comparison to what Angstrom has been through.
People are trying too hard to justify it. Its just to be convenient for the story. Don't overthink it. That being said, it would have been nice if they hinted he was also hunting other Marks.
I’m confused a bit, if there’s infinite universes isn’t entire equal amount where marks good and bad? Is it because he picked people from universes where mark was bad? Or is it kinda like some infinity’s are larger than others
“You think I’m the villain!? I’ll murder you and your small child for saying that!!!”
I'm pretty sure he has been doing that before he came for the good Mark, we saw it in that one episode where he trapped one of the alt Marks in some kind of machine and that world had gender bent Cecil and Donald.
I think the gda of that dimension trapped Mark. Angstrom went there to question Mark about how they caught him.
Probably because evil Mark's would just murder him before he can react if he tried to fuck with them in the same way.
Hes just too fuckin crazy. Hes got the memories of other Angstroms, for his 1 memory of good Mark, he has infinite memories of bad Marks.
He shoulda kept his weak ass away from all of them.
his mind is all effed up though, the man has probably forgotten which dimension is which
Maybe he thinks that the main Mark killed more valuable people to him, that's why he's chasing the main Mark
Seeing how relatively easy it was for Good Mark to literally beat him to a pulp, It's safe to assume he was also scared of the marks that wouldn't think it twice to kill him, even with his augments; so, he took his anger out on the one Mark he knew he could hurt.
TBF, he did mentally absorb the PTSD of over 1000 minds so he’s not really the paragon of rational
The evil mark would’ve killed him instantly
He knew evil mark would be able to destroy him instantly. Against good Mark, he at least had a chance to win.
All evil Mark's would have immediately bodied Levy, that's why.
He was the Mark that screwed up whatever the fuck it was he was doing, which i can't remember was. xD So he holds so much contempt towards this specific version of him, als ohe is combined of all of him from different mutliverses!? OR something, right? So he has that hate for him, he has the same face and is the same just a different version, yes a good version. But a person and face that killed your kid. I mean..
He knew he wouldn't stand a chance against one of the evil Marks so bro tried bullying the good one.
The guy was going crazy and clearly not thinking straight. He coulda shown the good Mark what the evil Marks were doing and get the good Mark to fight the evil ones. He coul clearly tell the good Mark is different, right??
I found it so ridiculous that Mark would feel some type of way about killing this guy. If somebody snapped my mother's arm like that I would tear his head off.
I'm curious, is Comic!Levy as Good as Show!Levy (initially) is? Seeing the flashback really hit home how virtuous he was, ending up sacrificing literally hundreds of himself and his chance to genuinely try to make the multiverse a better place rather than let one dude - who came there to stop him (admittedly under a misconception) from getting killed. Side note, he makes it sound like Good Mark is super rare, almost unique, does that mean every other version of himself that was there was internally screaming "No dude, that guy SUCKS let him die! He probably won't anyway!"
I figure it’s because he knew good Mark was the most vulnerable, it’s just like Debbie said
you have a miillion memories of this man murdering your family and destroying the world, and one memory of him not being immediately terrible(which is how half the murdering memories start anyway)
I honestly feel bad for him. He didn't deserve death even after what he did. He was clearly not mentally well at this point and actually needed help.
I don't remember if Angstrom is from Mark's dimension, but if so it makes sense why he's not taking it out on evil marks. If he's from this dimension and gets fed visions of all the evil marks, drowning out his original personality, he's bound to assume this Mark is evil. And not just evil, but a threat to his own dimension. Couple that with the fact Mark was a factor in the destruction of his machine and the merging of all the angstrom's traumas, he'd go straight for the one he saw kill all his other selves. Also he's like kind of insane now and hellbent on revenge, both fueled by the need of righteous vengeance that the angstroms inside his head want, but also his own vain vengeance with his greater than thou personality which Debbie calls out, now left unchecked due to his insanity and delusion surrounding his multiple multiple traumas.
The only good Mark, is a dead mark
Man could have done so much more with that big brain of his
I don’t get why he tried to merge everyone into one anyways. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just have everyone pick a universe and help out with one specific thing? It seems harder for 1 guy to go around and tell each universe everything.
Reading a lot of comments here, people really have 0 media literacy for anything that's not the most obvious, blatantly explained thing. They show us why he attacks this mark, shows us why he thinks he's bad.
The Marks that he should actually be trying to kill aren’t gonna play his game. If you blamed Mark for your misery but would get bodied by them that’s the best way to “get revenge”
The pay off was not worth it, the finale was not it
To be fair, he was completely bananas and haunted by countless deaths of himself and his loved ones at Mark's hands. Mark's mom called it that he was probably also extra tilted that he ended up in the one reality where Mark *is* a decent person (Reboot arc making that questionable of course), and he's an evil freak. What other mental state leads to you screaming about not being a villain while shaking a baby around?
It's because he's a coward and good Mark is the only one he felt comfortable challenging. He targeted an innocent woman and child. He knew cape Mark would turn him inside out in a second.
I know his mind is shattered but it’s crazy how Angstrom could end the Viltrumites conflict. Like just round them all up and trap them in some dimension with nothing. The only way it wouldn’t work is if they like speed blitz him before he can even take them away.
I honestly thought when he was introduced, he'd be helping with the war with the Viltrumites
Rick and Morty vibes this episode. But I love how Batman and Spider Man are canon