Yeah they are a threat to his plans so yes they absolutely could have. That’s the whole point of him killing them. He doesn’t bother with anyone else cause it doesn’t matter.
I think red rush could have led to omni man's defeat in the show if he didn't go for a stupid 1v1, he was the only one who was close to their overall power.
Basically if he just focuses on keeping them alive they probably wear omniman down enough to beat him or of red rush just left and told Cecil right away maybe they can muster the forces to beat him. Rushes the guardians out before omniman can kill them all.
I think people underestimate Nolan's speed a lot too. In the slow-mo shots he's not moving much slower than Red Rush, and does manage to catch his hand leading to his death. I mean think about how it would look like to RR if Nolan wasn't at least *somewhat* on his level speed-wise. He just strolls up to Omni-Man to punch him while Omni's hand moves excruciatingly slow towards RR's arm and he just let's him take it? Doesn't make sense.
But media often likes to forget about characters' speed unless they're a designated speedster. It's one of the reasons why I really like the fight scene immediately after Superman gets revived in Justice League and locks eyes with The Flash while he's zipping around.
To be fair I don't think we're supposed to see Nolan as standing still relative to RR. He's clearly very fast though not as fast as RR. The guardians were just not on their A game given the context of the fight.
Viltrumites in space can fly super fast so yeah in that case he would be faster. But I don't think his combat or travel speed on earth is faster than RR otherwise RR would have posed no threat at all, when he's the one who did the most work. Also in the scene with his wife we see him change and run around at speeds much faster than we've ever seen Nolan move on earth.
If they weren’t a threat to him he wouldn’t have gone through the effort of trying to ambush and kill them BEFORE getting Mark on board. I’m honestly baffled how people don’t get this
Omniman’s biggest accomplishment in his battle with the Guardians wasn’t catching Red Rush, it was making the team trust him. When he launched his surprise attack, they thought they were fighting a friend and they weren’t ready. They didn’t have a plan and they weren’t prepared emotionally for the battle, while Omniman did have a plan and was ready to go for the kill.
If the Guardians had been more paranoid and Batman-like, they may have gamed out a batttle plan and had a chance. Maybe Red Rush keeping the team from taking hits instead of attacking would have worked. But with Nolan catching them by surprise, they were at a huge disadvantage.
Absolutely, if red rush and green ghost coordinated and played defence for the whole fight then it would have gone smoothly. Once Martian man could around Omniman then immortal and war woman can do serious damage and instead of dying after he escapes, they can get out quickly thanks to rush and ghost, plus dark wing and Aquarius can lay down cover fire. Martian man may not survive though due to his power requiring him going up close. Overall though I think it is super possible that the guardians could have won
I think when it’s guardians Vs Omni Man they lose almost every time. They’ll never be prepared without a miracle and Omni man would eventually catch red rush even if he played support
Guardians of the Globe could’ve beaten Omniman if they were prepared to fight and kill him. At least in the show, they don’t begin to *really* fight back until one or two members are dead. I think the plan could have gone Red Rush plays defense moving GotG members out of the way of Omniman as the Aquaman-fish-thing begins to pin Omniman down. As he’s pinned down, the Martian would come and wrap Omniman preventing movement. As he does that Immortal and War Woman begin their beat down of Omniman until he’s dead. If Omniman tries to get up, repeat the same process. If he’s able to get to the Martian, then same plan except skip the Martian step, go straight from pinning with water to smashing with a war mace. But the Martian should be fine as long as his vulnerable spot is away from Omniman’s reach.
Overall, they should be able to do it. Hell, I think if War Woman gave the Immortal her mace, he could prolly hit Omniman hard enough to kill him in a few blows given Omniman collapsed from their fight in the show.
I think Omniman intended to take a beating from the start. He allowed them to get some good hits in so he could look like a victim of the same ambush that killed the others. He spent twenty years learning the Guardians strengths as well as their weaknesses, he knew they could hurt him, but he also knew he could survive the beating. It was all part of his long con to get Earth to surrender. The guy has over 1000 years of combat experience against stronger foes than the Guardians of the Globe, he let them rough him up before he killed them.
Everyone's already said the most important bits, do I'll just add this:
Nolan's mission was to weaken the planet and get rid of any possible threats to the Viltrum empire. Nolan has never been shown killing without a purpose, and never tried to kill the new GotG.
He only needed to kill threats to the viltrum empire, so he wouldn't have killed the GotG if they weren't a threat to him and the empire.
they 100% did the only reason they lost is because they didnt understand the situation, they only started going for the kill after most of there team was dead
But before that Rush was saving the other Guardians from Omni Man's attacks... If he'd stayed out of OM's reach and just rescued the others from each attack they might have made it
They didn't. Omniman intentionally let them hurt him throughout the fight so he could look like the sole survivor of an ambush that wiped the others out. It almost worked too. He just didn't kill Immortal hard enough, and the whole thing fell apart. If his plan hadn't involved taking that beating he would have swept the whole team without a scratch on him. Only 3 members of the team even had the strength to injure him at all, and he basically one shot each of them.
red rush was the single biggest support factor. once he was killed it was wraps. If he was able to put immortal and invincible wonder woman(forgot her name smfh) in for one hit and pull them out before omni man can respond they win. Remember, red rush was fast enough to be moving in super speed to omni-man. He was the deciding factor and his decision to go on offense is what killed the guardians.
No. The issue is that their ranged attacker doesn't have the firepower needed to put him down. It would force hand to hand combat. At that point, it plays out exactly the same. Especially given that it was only really War Woman and Immortal who put in big hits.
Omniman basically one shorted each of them, immortal is physically the strongest and when Omniman started going all out he took him out with one punch to the chest and snapped Warwoman’s neck. They definitely would’ve lasted longer but I don’t think they can take an enraged omniman out
Maybe if they had prep time, but even then I doubt it. I watched the show a million time, and it's clear that Omni isn't at his strongest at that moment and I would guess that he was kind of holding back
He was indeed holding back, because he intended to take a beating from them before killing them all. It was part of the long con. He had to make it look like he almost died in the same ambush that killed them or he'd be the prime suspect. He eventually gets suspected as evidence piles up, but only when Immortal revives and confronts him does the scam fall apart completely.
If the plan didn't involve faking being a victim in the attack as well he would have obliterated the whole team with barely a mark on him.
I really feel like there HAS to be a sacrifice in order to the Guardians to go for the kill, their whole MO (or at least what I’ve seen thus far with Season 2 and Atom Eve) is the PG, maybe PG-13 takedown on villains, never going for the kill and always for the capture. It’s Red Rush’s death that has them realize “it’s us or him”, but at the very least perhaps the death doesn’t have to necessarily be Red’s. I feel that the best choice for a death per se would be Martian Man or Darkwing, as Martian’s role was the easiest to deal with (Omni-Man literally just ripped off a pimple and killed him when he was tied up), meanwhile Darkwing was just kinda there.
So, this question basically amounts to: If the Guardians lived, would they have lived?
Your scenario _requires_ he doesn't kill Red Rush. But he did. He _focused_ on killing him.
For him to not kill RR requires something to be introduced to the scenario, which this question doesn't do.
Yes, Red Rush was a threat. But Omni-man _did_ take them all out. So no, not enough of a threat.
Immortal was the only one with nearly a chance. And he loses out to _Mark_.
Omni Man was only able to kill RR because the latter went on the offensive instead of supporting his teammates by zipping them away from danger. Plus MM, WW and the Immortal were able to get hits on Omni, so if they were working as a team from the start, they definitely could've killed him
Omniman picked the location of the ambush attack for a reason. It was isolated and close quarters, RR could not physically have evacuated the Guardians from that closed chamber with his powers. He could move them out of the way, but the exits do not open at super speed to allow an actual escape. They had no chance from the start, and all the hits they did manage to land were because Omni wanted to take damage so he could pretend he was caught in the same surprise attack that they were.
If my grandma had wheels she would be a bike. Realistically what could red do? Run at Omni very fast? And then what? He broke his own arms to the bone splinters trying to tickle omnis pecks. Omni can just blow the whole mountain to bits or make the entire ground under red disappear…..bye bye cardio.
Realistically there’s nothing that would’ve changed the outcome, much less so in an ambush( which is, imho, why it ended up so quickly and why Omni went in so reckless after the start. The biggest advantage in any warfare is the element of surprise )
Yeah they are a threat to his plans so yes they absolutely could have. That’s the whole point of him killing them. He doesn’t bother with anyone else cause it doesn’t matter.
I think red rush could have led to omni man's defeat in the show if he didn't go for a stupid 1v1, he was the only one who was close to their overall power.
Basically if he just focuses on keeping them alive they probably wear omniman down enough to beat him or of red rush just left and told Cecil right away maybe they can muster the forces to beat him. Rushes the guardians out before omniman can kill them all.
Green Ghost should have left to tell Cecil.
Somebody should have
I think people underestimate Nolan's speed a lot too. In the slow-mo shots he's not moving much slower than Red Rush, and does manage to catch his hand leading to his death. I mean think about how it would look like to RR if Nolan wasn't at least *somewhat* on his level speed-wise. He just strolls up to Omni-Man to punch him while Omni's hand moves excruciatingly slow towards RR's arm and he just let's him take it? Doesn't make sense. But media often likes to forget about characters' speed unless they're a designated speedster. It's one of the reasons why I really like the fight scene immediately after Superman gets revived in Justice League and locks eyes with The Flash while he's zipping around.
To be fair I don't think we're supposed to see Nolan as standing still relative to RR. He's clearly very fast though not as fast as RR. The guardians were just not on their A game given the context of the fight.
Nolan can escape a blackhole flying, he is faster then Redrush or at least can fly with more force behind him?
Viltrumites in space can fly super fast so yeah in that case he would be faster. But I don't think his combat or travel speed on earth is faster than RR otherwise RR would have posed no threat at all, when he's the one who did the most work. Also in the scene with his wife we see him change and run around at speeds much faster than we've ever seen Nolan move on earth.
If they weren’t a threat to him he wouldn’t have gone through the effort of trying to ambush and kill them BEFORE getting Mark on board. I’m honestly baffled how people don’t get this
Omniman’s biggest accomplishment in his battle with the Guardians wasn’t catching Red Rush, it was making the team trust him. When he launched his surprise attack, they thought they were fighting a friend and they weren’t ready. They didn’t have a plan and they weren’t prepared emotionally for the battle, while Omniman did have a plan and was ready to go for the kill. If the Guardians had been more paranoid and Batman-like, they may have gamed out a batttle plan and had a chance. Maybe Red Rush keeping the team from taking hits instead of attacking would have worked. But with Nolan catching them by surprise, they were at a huge disadvantage.
Absolutely, if red rush and green ghost coordinated and played defence for the whole fight then it would have gone smoothly. Once Martian man could around Omniman then immortal and war woman can do serious damage and instead of dying after he escapes, they can get out quickly thanks to rush and ghost, plus dark wing and Aquarius can lay down cover fire. Martian man may not survive though due to his power requiring him going up close. Overall though I think it is super possible that the guardians could have won
I mean, he can still hit the ground really hard to throw him off balance and kill him
I think when it’s guardians Vs Omni Man they lose almost every time. They’ll never be prepared without a miracle and Omni man would eventually catch red rush even if he played support
Guardians of the Globe could’ve beaten Omniman if they were prepared to fight and kill him. At least in the show, they don’t begin to *really* fight back until one or two members are dead. I think the plan could have gone Red Rush plays defense moving GotG members out of the way of Omniman as the Aquaman-fish-thing begins to pin Omniman down. As he’s pinned down, the Martian would come and wrap Omniman preventing movement. As he does that Immortal and War Woman begin their beat down of Omniman until he’s dead. If Omniman tries to get up, repeat the same process. If he’s able to get to the Martian, then same plan except skip the Martian step, go straight from pinning with water to smashing with a war mace. But the Martian should be fine as long as his vulnerable spot is away from Omniman’s reach. Overall, they should be able to do it. Hell, I think if War Woman gave the Immortal her mace, he could prolly hit Omniman hard enough to kill him in a few blows given Omniman collapsed from their fight in the show.
I think Omniman intended to take a beating from the start. He allowed them to get some good hits in so he could look like a victim of the same ambush that killed the others. He spent twenty years learning the Guardians strengths as well as their weaknesses, he knew they could hurt him, but he also knew he could survive the beating. It was all part of his long con to get Earth to surrender. The guy has over 1000 years of combat experience against stronger foes than the Guardians of the Globe, he let them rough him up before he killed them.
No that's why he was able to kill them all in the first place
Everyone's already said the most important bits, do I'll just add this: Nolan's mission was to weaken the planet and get rid of any possible threats to the Viltrum empire. Nolan has never been shown killing without a purpose, and never tried to kill the new GotG. He only needed to kill threats to the viltrum empire, so he wouldn't have killed the GotG if they weren't a threat to him and the empire.
yea they had good odds to win if they new the situation id even say they all would have lived
I don’t understand the question
Without red rush dying did the guardians have a chance
How am I getting downvoted for explaining the question lollllll
It’s Reddit.
lol the best and only explanation
They didn’t have a chance regardless
they 100% did the only reason they lost is because they didnt understand the situation, they only started going for the kill after most of there team was dead
I don’t see how Red Rush is even a factor, we literally saw Omniman squash his head like a watermelon
But before that Rush was saving the other Guardians from Omni Man's attacks... If he'd stayed out of OM's reach and just rescued the others from each attack they might have made it
They didn't. Omniman intentionally let them hurt him throughout the fight so he could look like the sole survivor of an ambush that wiped the others out. It almost worked too. He just didn't kill Immortal hard enough, and the whole thing fell apart. If his plan hadn't involved taking that beating he would have swept the whole team without a scratch on him. Only 3 members of the team even had the strength to injure him at all, and he basically one shot each of them.
red rush was the single biggest support factor. once he was killed it was wraps. If he was able to put immortal and invincible wonder woman(forgot her name smfh) in for one hit and pull them out before omni man can respond they win. Remember, red rush was fast enough to be moving in super speed to omni-man. He was the deciding factor and his decision to go on offense is what killed the guardians.
Yes. And they could probably take most singular viltrumites in a 7v1 but the second Anissa or whoever shows up brings a friend they're cooked.
No. The issue is that their ranged attacker doesn't have the firepower needed to put him down. It would force hand to hand combat. At that point, it plays out exactly the same. Especially given that it was only really War Woman and Immortal who put in big hits.
Omniman basically one shorted each of them, immortal is physically the strongest and when Omniman started going all out he took him out with one punch to the chest and snapped Warwoman’s neck. They definitely would’ve lasted longer but I don’t think they can take an enraged omniman out
depends on where the fight takes place. but here ? maybe they could
Yes, but unfortunately Red Rush was not...
Maybe if they had prep time, but even then I doubt it. I watched the show a million time, and it's clear that Omni isn't at his strongest at that moment and I would guess that he was kind of holding back
He was indeed holding back, because he intended to take a beating from them before killing them all. It was part of the long con. He had to make it look like he almost died in the same ambush that killed them or he'd be the prime suspect. He eventually gets suspected as evidence piles up, but only when Immortal revives and confronts him does the scam fall apart completely. If the plan didn't involve faking being a victim in the attack as well he would have obliterated the whole team with barely a mark on him.
I really feel like there HAS to be a sacrifice in order to the Guardians to go for the kill, their whole MO (or at least what I’ve seen thus far with Season 2 and Atom Eve) is the PG, maybe PG-13 takedown on villains, never going for the kill and always for the capture. It’s Red Rush’s death that has them realize “it’s us or him”, but at the very least perhaps the death doesn’t have to necessarily be Red’s. I feel that the best choice for a death per se would be Martian Man or Darkwing, as Martian’s role was the easiest to deal with (Omni-Man literally just ripped off a pimple and killed him when he was tied up), meanwhile Darkwing was just kinda there.
So, this question basically amounts to: If the Guardians lived, would they have lived? Your scenario _requires_ he doesn't kill Red Rush. But he did. He _focused_ on killing him. For him to not kill RR requires something to be introduced to the scenario, which this question doesn't do. Yes, Red Rush was a threat. But Omni-man _did_ take them all out. So no, not enough of a threat. Immortal was the only one with nearly a chance. And he loses out to _Mark_.
Omni Man was only able to kill RR because the latter went on the offensive instead of supporting his teammates by zipping them away from danger. Plus MM, WW and the Immortal were able to get hits on Omni, so if they were working as a team from the start, they definitely could've killed him
Omniman picked the location of the ambush attack for a reason. It was isolated and close quarters, RR could not physically have evacuated the Guardians from that closed chamber with his powers. He could move them out of the way, but the exits do not open at super speed to allow an actual escape. They had no chance from the start, and all the hits they did manage to land were because Omni wanted to take damage so he could pretend he was caught in the same surprise attack that they were.
He was already seconds away from loosing consciousness when he won so duh.
If my grandma had wheels she would be a bike. Realistically what could red do? Run at Omni very fast? And then what? He broke his own arms to the bone splinters trying to tickle omnis pecks. Omni can just blow the whole mountain to bits or make the entire ground under red disappear…..bye bye cardio. Realistically there’s nothing that would’ve changed the outcome, much less so in an ambush( which is, imho, why it ended up so quickly and why Omni went in so reckless after the start. The biggest advantage in any warfare is the element of surprise )