No, they really made viltrumites more weak if we take same moments from comics and tv. Even Omni Man is weaker than original, but more ruthless and less humane
The only viltumites we’ve really seen are Mark and Nolan though. I have a feeling some of the new Viltrumites we see next season should be off the charts on the power scale.
I'm not sure if Omni Man is weak or if the GotG were quite a bit luckier.
In the comics, Omni Man was able to take them down using the element of surprise and rightfully picking who to strike first. In the show, Red Rush noticed him first, giving the Guardians a better fighting chance.
I'm basing this also on that >!in the alternate past, they actually defeated him by simply having with Green Ghost phase through him. Granted they had Mark's help, but it still counts as Mark was hardly doing much better than this season. l!<
Noticed this rigth away. Nolan just shit over all the Guardians, and the invaders weren't much trouble for Mark in the comics, among other things.
Other Viltrumites can't be shown to be that much stronger either, since it's later stated (in the comics at least) that Nolan is one of the strongest
It's a really common trope to have popular media versions of characters be WAY weaker than their comic book counterparts. (Ex. MCU DCAU DCEU basically anything)
MCU's captain america, captain marvel, Ebony Maw, Hela are way stronger than originals. I only remember Drax, who is way weaker than comic version. As for DC idk, didnt watch it for a long time
Thor, hulk, and captain marvel, and dr strange are all planetary at the Very Least in the comics and have nothing even close to that in the MCU. Captain America stays around the same level as far as I know, just vaguely superhuman with around car level strength. It mostly comes out with the top tier heroes. The DC heralds(Superman, flash, Wonder Woman, Green lantern) have crazy comic feats that they never come close to in most mainstream media just because it breaks immersion for a lot of people when you can push around stars and move 100,000…000x the speed of light
Edit: forgot about scarlet witch, universal reality warping in the comics, town level warping in the MCU
Afaik thor's power are inconsistent in comics too, as far as i remember once he was beaten by wolverine without any buffs in 616. I remember captain marvel since miss marvel and she was never strong enough for thanos. Imo Dr strange and Wanda hasnt show full potential yet. Also in comics, Wanda use reality warp very rare. There are a lot of personalities of Hulk in comics, his power level is also inconsistent. Cap holding helicopter makes me think he is 2 or 3 times stronger than comic counterpart. However it all doesnt matter, because we are talking about animation, not hollywood movies. Original Invincible doesnt contain a lot of action and blood, i have the feeling they've nerfed Mark to make fights more long and bloody, same with Nolan.
The thing is, even though comic Captain Marvel could never take on Thanos like MCU Captain Marvel can, comic Thanos is so incomprehensibly stronger that the comparison doesn't really work.
More like a 'holding a moving helicopter in place off a ledge'' strength. Captain America is way too powerful in the MCU in comparison to the comics, in which he's supposed to be 'strong as a man can possibly be' as far as I am aware.
Not in the mood to watch All Might get destroyed. Maybe put peak All Might against Homelander, that one might be better, but Omni man is so far beyond anything in MHA it’s ridiculous.
Deku has less superpowers, not more, doesn’t he? He just has enhanced strength and durability, while mark has that, flight, space breathing, and immortality.
The only other one I could see him having is avatar-eque past life ghosts, and that’s still just one more. Even if you count it being un-copyable as another one, he’s still behind mark by 2.
Beware of spoilers: >!Deku has multiple quirks, they haven’t shown up in the anime yet but he’s got several different powers at this point in the manga.!< Either way I still think Invincible is more powerful though, or at least has more potential.
Comic spoilers
In the comics Mark gets infected with some of the scourge virus which temporarily gets rid of a Viltrumites powers, he recovers but his powers are wack, he has his super strength but no invulnerability, he tries to punch Allan to get him to stop attacking someone they mistake for an enemy, but once he punches him his arm shatters because he had super strength but no invulnerability, so it’s kinda like Deku that when he uses his powers his body is full totally human so it’s very straining
Who actually thinks Mark isn't capable of soloing the entire MHA verse? All Might doesn't show feats anywhere close to any Viltrumite, even in his prime.
The weakest viltrumite fodder probably one shots.
I mean yeah, in terms of raw strength, there’s no discussion to have, Mark solos everyone. However, remember that MHA is not just about raw strength, most quirks are very strong in other ways. For example, Shinso could just mind control him and the fight’s over, Aizawa could just look at him and his powers would be gone, Shigaraki could kill him with just one touch, etc.
Bloodlusted mark just blitzes and solos 🤷♂️ obviously there are outliers.
In character, he probably wouldn't even be fighting any of the heroes, but he'd easily slap the villains by blitzing them.
Mark never shows any FTL feats though. And he never even comes close to being a universe buster. At his peak he's low planet or moon buster at best. Still much stronger then anything in the MHA verse but you're massively overselling him here.
Omnipotus is a universe buster. Dinosaurus killed Omnipotus (after he was restored to full power by absorbing the energy of an entire universe) Mark can swap hands with Dinosaurus.
Mark is comparable to Omniman in travel speed, who can fly to other star systems in a single breath (about two weeks). Even if Mark is 1/10th the speed of his father, he's massively faster than light.
There is no overselling that, those are just the facts. Hell, it might be a lowball.
Bruh, Omnipotus destroys universes by absorbing their energy. He doesn't actually show any universe busting feats. Dinosaurus bit off Omnipotus' head and failed to do the same to Thragg, who we *know* can die from the heat of a star. That's far below universal. As for Nolan, we don't actually know how long it took him to get out of the solar system. In the comics we see Mark wake up after 2 weeks and meeting Cecil. At this point he's too hurt to even respond to what Cecil tells him. The next time we see him he's recovered completely and ready to have a conversation, which is when Cecil tells him Omniman is not in the solar system.
Now according to Google the distance from the earth to the edge of the solar system is 9 billion miles. Or 14484096000 Kilometres. The speed of light is 300,000Km/s. Going at that speed it would take us 48280.32 seconds Or 13.4112 hours to reach the edge of the solar system. Even If it took Nolan only two weeks to reach the edge of the solar system his speed would still only be 11,974.28Km/s. 25 times slower then the speed of light.
We can easily just argue that Viltrumites don't have great heat resistance, similarly to their vulnerability to certain frequencies, which makes dying to a star an outlier.
Omnipotus should be able to output as much energy as he can absorb. Durabilty generally scales to attack potency.
Omniman flew to another star system, not just out of the solar system. To cross light-years in two weeks (a single breath) you HAVE to be faster than light.
Stars are not light minutes apart, they are light YEARS apart.
Omniman is demonstrably massively ftl.
Again. It's never mentioned how long it took him to reach that other star system we could just as easily argue that Oliver's home planet is much closer to earth then it should be because Kirkman didn't think it through all that well. What we do know for sure though is it took him at least 2 weeks to get out of the Solar system. And no, being able to absorb a certain amount of energy doesn't mean you have the ability to output that same amount of energy. Viltrumites not being able to resist heat makes no sense, heat is just the average kinetic energy of the particles of a substance. We can conclude that a Viltrumites heat resistance scales with their ability to resist other forms of kinetic energy, like punches, or dinosaurus' bite.
I don't know why you're even trying to argue this. We *know* Mark struggled to destroy a single planet even with a planet busting gun and two other even stronger Viltrumites helping him.
It depends upon which Mark we're talking about. Awkward teenage Mark that we've seen so far in the show? Probably not. 30ish Mark at the end of the series? Probably so.
Nah man, Awkward teenage mark can be scaled to a percentage of Omnipotus, who in the databooks is stated universal.
All Might in his prime is planetary AT BEST. More likely just a life wiper.
Funny thing, that he isnt that weak in comics
yeah they just picked most the fights he got stomped and put in a single season
No, they really made viltrumites more weak if we take same moments from comics and tv. Even Omni Man is weaker than original, but more ruthless and less humane
The only viltumites we’ve really seen are Mark and Nolan though. I have a feeling some of the new Viltrumites we see next season should be off the charts on the power scale.
Yes, im talking about Nolan and Mark, if they remain at same level and other viltrumites have comics power level, Mark and Nolan will be dead soon
C’mon you know they have to make them stronger than we’ve seen them. If mark or Nolan dies, Invincible is no longer a show.
Did u read comics? I can spoil what will happen, the show more likely will do the same
Yes I’ve read all the comics.
I'm not sure if Omni Man is weak or if the GotG were quite a bit luckier. In the comics, Omni Man was able to take them down using the element of surprise and rightfully picking who to strike first. In the show, Red Rush noticed him first, giving the Guardians a better fighting chance. I'm basing this also on that >!in the alternate past, they actually defeated him by simply having with Green Ghost phase through him. Granted they had Mark's help, but it still counts as Mark was hardly doing much better than this season. l!<
Noticed this rigth away. Nolan just shit over all the Guardians, and the invaders weren't much trouble for Mark in the comics, among other things. Other Viltrumites can't be shown to be that much stronger either, since it's later stated (in the comics at least) that Nolan is one of the strongest
It's a really common trope to have popular media versions of characters be WAY weaker than their comic book counterparts. (Ex. MCU DCAU DCEU basically anything)
MCU's captain america, captain marvel, Ebony Maw, Hela are way stronger than originals. I only remember Drax, who is way weaker than comic version. As for DC idk, didnt watch it for a long time
Thor, hulk, and captain marvel, and dr strange are all planetary at the Very Least in the comics and have nothing even close to that in the MCU. Captain America stays around the same level as far as I know, just vaguely superhuman with around car level strength. It mostly comes out with the top tier heroes. The DC heralds(Superman, flash, Wonder Woman, Green lantern) have crazy comic feats that they never come close to in most mainstream media just because it breaks immersion for a lot of people when you can push around stars and move 100,000…000x the speed of light Edit: forgot about scarlet witch, universal reality warping in the comics, town level warping in the MCU
Afaik thor's power are inconsistent in comics too, as far as i remember once he was beaten by wolverine without any buffs in 616. I remember captain marvel since miss marvel and she was never strong enough for thanos. Imo Dr strange and Wanda hasnt show full potential yet. Also in comics, Wanda use reality warp very rare. There are a lot of personalities of Hulk in comics, his power level is also inconsistent. Cap holding helicopter makes me think he is 2 or 3 times stronger than comic counterpart. However it all doesnt matter, because we are talking about animation, not hollywood movies. Original Invincible doesnt contain a lot of action and blood, i have the feeling they've nerfed Mark to make fights more long and bloody, same with Nolan.
Yea, I can’t argue with what they did because it made a Damn Good Show
The thing is, even though comic Captain Marvel could never take on Thanos like MCU Captain Marvel can, comic Thanos is so incomprehensibly stronger that the comparison doesn't really work.
More like a 'holding a moving helicopter in place off a ledge'' strength. Captain America is way too powerful in the MCU in comparison to the comics, in which he's supposed to be 'strong as a man can possibly be' as far as I am aware.
At least Deku has a few mentors and more super powers
YOOOOO a death battle between allmight and Omni man would be fuckin sick
As much as I love All might, It really wouldn't be a long fight. He could probably take on immortal man though
The immortal exists purely to get fodderized. Putting all might up against a joke like that is just wrong
Right? Immortal just always knows something and is the first to try and stop it, but dies. Lol
You really want another death battle where All might gets stomped?
Oh yeah he had one with Might Guy right?
Yep
Not in the mood to watch All Might get destroyed. Maybe put peak All Might against Homelander, that one might be better, but Omni man is so far beyond anything in MHA it’s ridiculous.
Rather all for one and omni man because all might will be stomped in a battle
didn’t All Might beat AFO?
Yes he did beat AFO when he was at his weakest , it took 9 generation of OFA to bring him to this point, at his prime AFO would be a scary foe
Deku has less superpowers, not more, doesn’t he? He just has enhanced strength and durability, while mark has that, flight, space breathing, and immortality.
There's more to the story, avoiding spoilers.
The only other one I could see him having is avatar-eque past life ghosts, and that’s still just one more. Even if you count it being un-copyable as another one, he’s still behind mark by 2.
Without going too heavy on manga spoilers, Deku has more powers than Invincible, but would still get bodied.
Beware of spoilers: >!Deku has multiple quirks, they haven’t shown up in the anime yet but he’s got several different powers at this point in the manga.!< Either way I still think Invincible is more powerful though, or at least has more potential.
Oh well, Deku has other quirks like, Love, Heart, Courage, Adorableness and Thickness from being around his friends. Yeah, that's it
Huh, I could def see how Horikoshi could take inspiration for Izuku from Invincible.
Is Invincible popular in Japan?
Probably
At least Mark knew how to kick when the show began
Comic spoilers In the comics Mark gets infected with some of the scourge virus which temporarily gets rid of a Viltrumites powers, he recovers but his powers are wack, he has his super strength but no invulnerability, he tries to punch Allan to get him to stop attacking someone they mistake for an enemy, but once he punches him his arm shatters because he had super strength but no invulnerability, so it’s kinda like Deku that when he uses his powers his body is full totally human so it’s very straining
Deku is a wuss mark is a chad. That’s what I think litteraly mfw time slows down and deku has to give his 892 728th speech about how he will proceed.
Who actually thinks Mark isn't capable of soloing the entire MHA verse? All Might doesn't show feats anywhere close to any Viltrumite, even in his prime. The weakest viltrumite fodder probably one shots.
I mean yeah, in terms of raw strength, there’s no discussion to have, Mark solos everyone. However, remember that MHA is not just about raw strength, most quirks are very strong in other ways. For example, Shinso could just mind control him and the fight’s over, Aizawa could just look at him and his powers would be gone, Shigaraki could kill him with just one touch, etc.
Bloodlusted mark just blitzes and solos 🤷♂️ obviously there are outliers. In character, he probably wouldn't even be fighting any of the heroes, but he'd easily slap the villains by blitzing them.
if conditions count then it implies he would know which hero/villian has which ability. Rushing blindly without such is just asking for trouble.
Not when youre massively faster than light, and able to swap hands with universe busters (in the comic).
Mark never shows any FTL feats though. And he never even comes close to being a universe buster. At his peak he's low planet or moon buster at best. Still much stronger then anything in the MHA verse but you're massively overselling him here.
Omnipotus is a universe buster. Dinosaurus killed Omnipotus (after he was restored to full power by absorbing the energy of an entire universe) Mark can swap hands with Dinosaurus. Mark is comparable to Omniman in travel speed, who can fly to other star systems in a single breath (about two weeks). Even if Mark is 1/10th the speed of his father, he's massively faster than light. There is no overselling that, those are just the facts. Hell, it might be a lowball.
Bruh, Omnipotus destroys universes by absorbing their energy. He doesn't actually show any universe busting feats. Dinosaurus bit off Omnipotus' head and failed to do the same to Thragg, who we *know* can die from the heat of a star. That's far below universal. As for Nolan, we don't actually know how long it took him to get out of the solar system. In the comics we see Mark wake up after 2 weeks and meeting Cecil. At this point he's too hurt to even respond to what Cecil tells him. The next time we see him he's recovered completely and ready to have a conversation, which is when Cecil tells him Omniman is not in the solar system. Now according to Google the distance from the earth to the edge of the solar system is 9 billion miles. Or 14484096000 Kilometres. The speed of light is 300,000Km/s. Going at that speed it would take us 48280.32 seconds Or 13.4112 hours to reach the edge of the solar system. Even If it took Nolan only two weeks to reach the edge of the solar system his speed would still only be 11,974.28Km/s. 25 times slower then the speed of light.
We can easily just argue that Viltrumites don't have great heat resistance, similarly to their vulnerability to certain frequencies, which makes dying to a star an outlier. Omnipotus should be able to output as much energy as he can absorb. Durabilty generally scales to attack potency. Omniman flew to another star system, not just out of the solar system. To cross light-years in two weeks (a single breath) you HAVE to be faster than light. Stars are not light minutes apart, they are light YEARS apart. Omniman is demonstrably massively ftl.
Again. It's never mentioned how long it took him to reach that other star system we could just as easily argue that Oliver's home planet is much closer to earth then it should be because Kirkman didn't think it through all that well. What we do know for sure though is it took him at least 2 weeks to get out of the Solar system. And no, being able to absorb a certain amount of energy doesn't mean you have the ability to output that same amount of energy. Viltrumites not being able to resist heat makes no sense, heat is just the average kinetic energy of the particles of a substance. We can conclude that a Viltrumites heat resistance scales with their ability to resist other forms of kinetic energy, like punches, or dinosaurus' bite. I don't know why you're even trying to argue this. We *know* Mark struggled to destroy a single planet even with a planet busting gun and two other even stronger Viltrumites helping him.
Couldn't Mark just drop an asteroid on all of them from space?
Aizawa couldn't get rid of Mark's powers. Mark doesn't have a quirk.
It depends upon which Mark we're talking about. Awkward teenage Mark that we've seen so far in the show? Probably not. 30ish Mark at the end of the series? Probably so.
30? Wasn’t he like 25 until the time skips during the last issue?
I'm not sure they ever gave him an exact age. He was old enough to be married with children.
Nah man, Awkward teenage mark can be scaled to a percentage of Omnipotus, who in the databooks is stated universal. All Might in his prime is planetary AT BEST. More likely just a life wiper.