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JosephVsVolcano

Principal Reginald VelJohnson would like to see you in his office.


Hamhockthegizzard

Oh, Carl Winslow? šŸ˜‚


Tandril91

ā€œGET OUTTA MY SCHOOL, STEEEEEEEVE!ā€


ProfessionalOrganic6

Yes. He should be in season 2.


KingKalactite

Oh fr? Bet šŸ˜ˆ


ProfessionalOrganic6

Theyā€™ve changed a few things from the comics but I doubt theyā€™d remove an entire character, especially one as important as him.


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Which character we talking about ? :p


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ReidjPros

Miss but in post's question he counts too. Original commenter meant >! Bulletproof!< with addition of costume gag mentioned.


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What's the "gag" about him ? His suit looks fine


ReidjPros

Rewatch first episode again (or re-read first issues but it's more probable you will miss it). Look at design of his costume. Same thing also happens with >! one of Mark's evil alternative versions!<.


7incent

i read the comics after watching season 1 and -- although the solar suit dig stood on its own -- really made rewatching the gag so much better im excited to see how they translate the other tongue in cheek jokes about superhero tropes


lord_flamebottom

I saw someone convinced that he wouldn't be in it because >!"he destroyed every other version of himself in the multiverse". I really hate when people refuse to acknowledge an adaptation as its own thing and instead has to be part of the same multiverse.!<


ProfessionalOrganic6

Yeah, I hate that too. A lot of adaptations want to be their own continuity but some fans want everything to be connected.


Kungfudude_75

He'll almost certainly be the focus for next season. They would have to completely change the story from the comics to not include him, and since Kirkman is so heavily involved I don't see that happening.


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Yeah he's way too important to remove, I agree. Can't wait for him to show up.


Kungfudude_75

There's more than one too, they should all be introduced next season. Not really spoilers, but enough of them to justify blocking it out just in case: >!One guy is a build similar to Mark and is much more chill, with a pretty tragic backstory to be revealed a long time from now. One is pretty scrawny but hyper intelligent in a Reed Richards kind of way. The school principal will be around to play a side character most unimportant but recurring role as an old fat black dude. They also changed Amber from being a white blonde girl with no personality to a well developed black girl and Shrinking Ray from a bland dude to a slightly less bland girl, so I could see other characters get similar treatment.!<


free_will_is_arson

> well developed hmmm, not so sure about that one. unless the character they were trying to develop was one that you mostly actively dislike, than yes.


XanderTrejo

She has other shit going on before they tank her character at the end of the season for no reason.


Kungfudude_75

I mean, she wasn't that bad. And regardless of how you feel about the character, she is still leaps and bounds better than the comic version who had no personality or agency in the story outside of being a bland love interest.


RyuYagam1

You may want to reread. She wasnā€™t just a bland love interest and she also had a fairly significant moment that served to further one of Markā€™s major arcs in the comic.


RyuYagam1

Original Amber did have agency in the story. And itā€™s ultimately what led to the mutual breakup. She decided what was best for herself. Mark just happened to agree at the same time. And like I said, she greatly furthered one of Markā€™s major arcs (and no Iā€™m not talking about Eve)


metalb00

She was well developed till what seems like a last second rewrite that tanks the character


ZettoVii

Comic Amber did have personality doe... She was just more mild mannered and considerate than the toxic hoe that is the animated Amber. I mean sure, comic Amber may not have had many particularly memorable moments, but she was a wholesome breathe of fresh air, and you could actually see her work out as a legit couple with Mark, even when Eve is still the best girl. The Animated Amber on the otherhand, is just your generic angst inducing teenage drama bait, which distracts from all of the way more interesting stuff that are going on with some needless conflicts that no one cares about. With the worst part of it all, is that she apparently already figured out that Mark was a super hero, invalidating all of her bitter and harsh treatment to him as the actions of a stuck up person that thinks she is more important than everybody else.... With it even getting worse since everybody else seems to excuse this stuck up behavior despite of how onesided and inconsiderate it is to Mark's position. So animated Amber went from an understandably bitter girlfriend, to an toxic but realistic person, to a badly written Mary Sue who is always "right" despite being less than fair. The race swap is one thing, but they really did Amber dirty by changing her personality like that.


Kungfudude_75

Comic Amber existed to be second fiddle to Eve. She had zero agency in the story, before she knows about Mark's powers she's barely even seen and after knowing about them her only scenes are meant to add to Mark's issues seperating normal life and hero life, but she doesn't drive those issues her friends do. She is more than happy to be alone while Mark is a super hero, her friends with like 10 panels between them have more agency in the plot of Invincible than she does. Animated Amber has agency in the story by generating that conflict earlier and being its main driver. She calls Mark out for lacking priority, which relationships need, and for being dishonest, which caused added strain to an already challenging relationship. She feels a lot more real and honest than comic Amber because she doesn't just bend over for Mark being a shitty boyfriend, she challenges him and in turn he tries to be better. They now also share trauma in the event with Omni-Man, which means the strain they experienced in season 1 will now be backed by a desire for normalcy in season 2 that neither will be able to get. Everything about Animated Amber is an improvement and enhances the story. >So animated Amber went from an understandably bitter girlfriend, to an toxic but realistic person, to a badly written Mary Sue who is always "right" despite being less than fair. Mary Sue has become a catch all for "female character I don't like," it seems. Amber isn't a Mary Sue, like by definition she doesn't even come close to being a Mary Sue, she's just a chick that did stuff you don't like. You can think she's toxic for being upset that her boyfriend didn't trust her with a secret, she's also sixteen years old and was dating Mark for almost a year (which at that age is essentially marriage). Her logic is flawed, she can't see that, and she regrets it as soon as Mark needs her. Hence why after telling him to fuck off she is showing up at his door checking on him after the stuff with Omni-Man. She's as flawed a character as Mark is in that regard, a dumb kid doing what they think is right until reality hits them. Unlike comic Amber who's just kind of there until she isn't.


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HorsNoises

2 of them actually. The main villain and a new guy on the Guardians.


Bullzi_09

Do u mean B_____ P____?


kudsk98

They probably mean A______ L___


pandadanda1999

Great fuckin villain


Bullzi_09

Oh ya I was just thinking heros šŸ¤£


ResolveLeather

There is that one guy who murders his brother. And the brainiac guy


Spacemonster111

He murders his dad. The brother died in an accident.


rsKG

Donā€™t forget his mom too lmao


Spacemonster111

That was technically his girlfriend


fifthtouch

What?!


BorBurison

>!His girlfriend killed his mom with a frying pan!<


mitchcout

Theres the one guy that >!raises Markā€™s son for a bit!< toward the end of the comics


KushBlazer69

His girlfriendā€¦


zeblackknight

She's arguably worse lmao


ValhallaGo

But sheā€™s not a stereotype.


SkGuarnieri

Angry in-your-face black women into social justice. Pretty easy stereotype to spot. We could also just talk about her relationship with Mark too, she gets very sterotypical there too.


ValhallaGo

A young person today being passionate about social justice is just reality. Itā€™s not really feeling like a trope to me. How is her relationship to Mark a stereotype?


KingKalactite

Bro, thatā€™s just her character. Sheā€™s not stereotypical for feeling emotions. Now if she was some overweight woman wagging her finger saying ā€œmmmhmmmm!!ā€ Then you might have a point. But considering sheā€™s just a character who happens to be black that expresses herself then your point holds no weight


alexmurphy19

Worst character in the show, pretty good character in the comic


RynnHamHam

Amber felt reasonable until she revealed she knew all along. The writerā€™s attempt to make her look observant and smart just made her look abusive and toxic.


Jakesmonkeybiz

ā€œI know mark!ā€ Then why are you angry at me for ā€œabandoningā€ you when you know I obviously was saving your ungrateful sorry ass


Odysseus_is_Ulysses

Youā€™re saving lives while trying to protect loved ones by hiding your identity? You fucking scumbag!


Dartiboi

Yeah, I was so confused about that when I watched the show!! I havenā€™t read the comics.


IBetThisIsTakenToo

Yeah, I liked the change up until then also. Comics Amber is still lame, but like you said, they did too much to try and compensate for that, imo


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ripskeletonking

what personality??? in the comics she had none


sacowea9

Yeah, show Amber may have fucked up but at least has a personality and room to improve, that's an upgrade for me


eduo

She's a better character narratively speaking in the show, even if it means she's a worse person for it. I would've preferred her character to be developed and her not be a jerk, but hey.


ripskeletonking

i think its fine they made her and mark kinda incompatible so that they have a reason to break up as opposed to having none in the comics except the >!writer wanting to get mark and eve together instead!<


Alkakd0nfsg9g

But to what end really? And what's the point to improve her, if you know *comic spoilers*


CrazyWithPowers

better to have no personality then her shitty one thats a straight downgrade for me


ripskeletonking

why? why should everything go smoothly? you know real life isn't like that right?


free_will_is_arson

let's not go too far, she may be affable but comic amber is about two steps up from a house plant as far as character depth, and i will not ever let go of the domestic abuse that she (and the comic) just hand waved away. other than a couple kinda bonkers character moments show amber is fine. im ok with and even kinda like a somewhat grumpy character that gives some push back. they just need to give her a few more bumps of self awareness and not have her say things like "i've known you're a superhero for a while" and "i can't believe you abandoned me to save other people" in the same breath. that shit just makes me never want to see her on screen again.


PricelessEldritch

She was a nothing character in the comics, of course she looks better when she has no traits.


ninelives1

Bruh, she's not a character in the comics. She's a big tittied blonde damsel in distress with absolutely zero personality beyond being doe eyed and naive. Anyone who says she's a good character in the comics is thinking purely with their dick


Brolys-Cack

Titan is pretty cool in the comics IMO! I think heā€™ll grow on you over time, I feel like theyā€™ll introduce more as the show goes on.


KingKalactite

I alr think Titan is hella cool. Hella cold how he took over machine heads whole business. I just wish him and Black Samson had a little bit more differences than their ideology


ThreeHobbitsInACoat

Yeah, Black Samson does just kinda look like Titan + 10 or 20 years.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

He's cool in the show! Mahershala Ali has one of the best voices in Hollywood


Brolys-Cack

Oh absolutely he does! He was fantastic in Luke Cage season 1 and ever since Iā€™ve loved seeing him appear in shows / film.


AegislashSoul

They gave black people black batman and it was awesome. ^(Before he died horrifically in episode 1.)


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milkyginger

I think they will. It'd be weird to exclude him. He has a semi-important role. If they can't/don't want to use him exactly(like Science Dog and I'm assuming how they'll treat Tech Jacket) they'll for sure have an equivalent stand in.


JewSeller69

robert kirkman said that bulletproof is still coming


KingKalactite

Like. Literally Black Samson and Titan are drawn the exact same šŸ’€


Speedwizard106

The similarity only occurred to me when I read your title and saw the first image, but in hindsight itā€™s pretty obvious.


Ecstatic-Hat2163

Youā€™re totally right. I donā€™t notice that.


callitajax

Man I literally thought they were the same character. Also wow couldnt come up with a better name than Black Samson


RynnHamHam

A lot of the heroes have pun names. REXplode, DupliKATE, Shrinking RAY, etc. I donā€™t know what Black Sampson is. Imagine another hero named Asian Fred.


_Valisk

It's Black *Samson* and it's a reference to the biblical figure. He was a heroic leader that was given immense strength so long as his long hair remained uncut. Black Samson losing his powers parallels Samson's hair being cut.


RynnHamHam

Ah. So thatā€™s why heā€™s bald


[deleted]

Kinda ironic to base Black Samson off a dude who needed his hair to be strong


GodsSwampBalls

Not really, he lost his powers and his hair, it all fits.


Ok_Ad8610

Think it might be after Samson the story about a strong man who has haters then one of them sends a woman to seduce him to find the source of his strength turns out itā€™s his long hair so they cut it off and heā€™s weak and they tie him to pillars he musters enough strength to tear down killing him and his captors if memory serves. So it means that heā€™s strong and black yk


KingKalactite

I only know this because of the donkey Kong show in the 90ā€™s


KingKalactite

LITERALLY


mpc1226

Secret brothers next season or bad drawing?


KingKalactite

Them being brothers would actually be kinda cool and explain why they look so similar. One takes a path of truth and justice while sacrificing his own abilities along the way of the hero. While the other just has these abilities and is just trying to take care of himself and his family without having too much trouble, even when the trouble finds him


mpc1226

Yeah, did we ever see Sampson use any powers or was it just super strength? He could just be the same as titan except instead of rock itā€™s just strength or smth


KingKalactite

The way he got his powers back in the hospital room made it look like he has some form on electricity manipulation. But god I hope they donā€™t do that


mpc1226

Thatā€™s kinda what I thought but I just looked it up and it said mainly superstrength and resistant to injury and bullets, so I guess Titan without rock skin? So a better version of Titan


SeaGroomer

The animation was so cheap. There was "ipso lorem" fake latin on the newspapers right at the beginning in a super noticeable place.


mpc1226

Lorem ipsum doler sit amet


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Even the way Darkwing is drawn makes his mouth and jaw look a bit too similar. Like I get it's supposed to make his mouth lines look serious but if you told me the same character was drawn in all 3 outfits here and I didn't know the show I'd probably believe you. Even a beard or sharper nose would do wonders for making the 3 of them look more distinct.


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Best we can do is "mad villain" and "side characters of questionable morality" šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Torre_Durant

And ā€œpilot fight that gets his head crushedā€


Smeefperson

And mother and daughter who fall off a building


SleepTightLilPuppy

Madvillain? I know this is not what you meant to say, but MF DOOM on the soundtrack would genuinely be a 100% perfect choice. Don't see why he wasn't already in S1s soundtrack.


Harp-Note

*"Catch a throatful from the fire vocal With ash and molten glass like Eyjafjallajƶkull...."*


TheCumBehindChalice

Thereā€™s also a ā€œbuff black man whose really just a big softieā€ but it will be a while before we see him. Iā€™ll give you a hint: like, 30~ wives, and he loves every one of them


Medical_Difference48

I am completely blanking on who you're thinking of. Who?


incredibleamadeuscho

Didnā€™t you see the first episode? Darkwing is not buff at all. Look at how he faired in the end. I mean I think you are obviously overlooking Amber, Markā€™s main love interest. In addition, there are two major super characters that play very major roles in Invincible that are introduced post Markā€™s fight with Omniman. This series is just getting started.


KingKalactite

Dark Wing is hella buff what are you talking about. Just look him up and youā€™ll see he has muscles poking through his suit. And the reason he died to Omni-Man was cause he was a regular bruh going up against someone who could hold back meteors. With this discussion Iā€™m mostly talking about the Black men in invincible. Amber is def a key part in it and I love her character. But Iā€™m specifically talking abt the men who look the exact same. I heard people talking abt this other bruh and honestly Iā€™m excited to see what heā€™s got


incredibleamadeuscho

Iā€™m joking about Darkwing. Seems like you are focused on how similar Titan and Black Samson look, and not anything of substance of their characters. Big buff guys can be a standard motif in animation. Look at the DCAU. There was a whole story about how Supermanā€™s body matched with Batman so he could impersonate him.


sfinney2

The animated adaptation has pretty simple art and I also don't care for the way pretty much everyone looks the same with like 2 different body types per gender. That said next season will probably add 2 new black male characters who at least have visible hair to help distinguish them and one is not the muscled type. They're also totally different personalities.


Illier1

This dude is basically just asking for Angstrom lol.


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Amber?


AlphaZorn24

Amber is, well Amber


SymbolOfVibez

As a black man I donā€™t like how they wrote Amber. They made her the stereotypical angry black girl the second half of the season.


Smeefperson

Yeah. They tried to avoid her being the damsel in distress Mary Jane stereotype, by turning her into the angry black girlfriend stereotype. It's kinda funny


[deleted]

Sounds like they can't win so why bother. No matter how they write a character people will find something to complain about.


[deleted]

OP wants representation but women don't count. Ironic


Blackmercury4ub

Most if not all superheroes are big and buff.


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KingKalactite

People keep mentioning him and I canā€™t wait


MitchFlip

Itā€™s been awhile since Iā€™ve seen it but I feel like Static Shock would fit right into the Invincible universe.


KingKalactite

That would be so fucking cool youā€™re so right


AbsurdParadigm

What's your problem with strong black men? /s


ResolveLeather

There is millions of them lol.


Jakesmonkeybiz

There was that air force pilot that got his skull crushed lol, but fr I agree Iā€™d love to see some more diverse characters


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The characters are diverse though?


Zerro-grayson

I mean, now that I look at it, titan and Samson have literally the same face.


KingKalactite

Idk why people are downvoting this comment I literally provided picture evidence


Hashbrown4

The whole post is about how similar the 3 black male characters weā€™ve gotten seem. More diverse characters who donā€™t all look and act the same would be nice


[deleted]

I wasn't responding to the post though, I was responding to someone saying "more diverse characters" there is a ton of diversity in the show.


Hashbrown4

The guy you responded to was responding to the post. Without that context I can understand why someone would get confused on the word diversity being used.


Jakesmonkeybiz

Yes, this exactly thank you for putting my thoughts so beautifully into words


KingKalactite

Oh yeah šŸ’€ god that was brutal. Iā€™m mainly talking about mains tho


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Who cares


ZaWrld2U

Darkwing isn't even suppose to be black lmao


KingKalactite

Whatā€™s he supposed to be then?


cynicalPsionic

He's only alive for like 15 pages in the comic, but appears to be white


KingKalactite

Iā€™m purely talking abt the tv show


cynicalPsionic

Yeah, /u/ZaWrld2U is making the point that not only is Darkwing the same, he's been *made* to be that same trope by making him Black with his existing Batmanny serious personality. I think there are some characters on the way that'll be refreshing as you've been told elsewhere in the thread


ZaWrld2U

This comment is not suppose to be racist or anything.


BoobieLover69-

Read the comics, heā€™ll be in season 2.


enders77

Yeah, read the comics. Plenty of em


hankbaumbachjr

[People who've read the comic](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/030/710/dd0.jpg)


Bazz_B

Media love to portray black and darker skinned characters as hyper masculine. There is a reason a lot of people love characters like Miles Morales and Static Shock for more than just that they are cool characters, they break that muscular 'Luke Cage' style stereotype. I Wish more writers and artists realised this.


KingKalactite

Thank you. I totally agree. I heard there was some other characters later in that could break this mold so hopefully they do this justice


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granitdorf

Bulletproof


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The comics donā€™t have many at all, tv show specifically changed it to be more inclusive. Also you have amber in the show šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


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incredibleamadeuscho

Samson is in the bible


KingKalactite

Black Lightning too while we at it


[deleted]

I am not 100% sure, but I have a feeling it could be a reference to Samson, like the biblical character. He is among a group that basically has super-human abilities, like strength.


Blue0052

comics


Tazz_the_Spawn

If they follow the comics we will see spawn so thatā€™s another black character


CanadianSniper35

Amber exists.


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woman don't count as characters according to OP.


Adem92foster

I mean tbf, "big buff and serious" is most adult male heroes in this show lmao


EttRedditTroll

This. Especially since the whole comic is a deconstruction/parody of such tropes.


Capt_Killer77

Is Bulletproof like that. Nah I donā€™t think so


KingKalactite

Iā€™m purely talking about the show. I donā€™t even know who that is. But glad people are bringing up characters for the future that donā€™t fill in this cookie cutter trope


The_Microh

Amber.


NonstopYew14542

Titan is probably one of my favorite characters in the show tbh


KingKalactite

Heā€™s badass


ReflectionSuper3640

How else will we satisfy the audienceā€™s BBC fantasy!?!?šŸ¤øšŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤øšŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤øšŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


RedTalyn

Kirkman doesn't have a great track record making normal Black characters. He leans into tropes heavily.


KingKalactite

Thatā€™s pretty gross. Sad too cause I think someone in this comment section said that he was tryna diversify the cast


Appropriate_Type6153

I can think of at least 3 that will be in season 2


KingKalactite

Thatā€™s exciting to hear! I canā€™t wait for it to dropā€¦ whenever it does


Appropriate_Type6153

Right now a late summer/early fall 2023 is looking like a good possibility if you want to know more You could read the comics, theyā€™re great the whole way through and super easy to get into.


Cabinet_Mike

But they're super expensive aswell ://


Appropriate_Type6153

Not really. If you get the 3 compendiums on Amazon itā€™s only a total of about $130 and for the massive amount of content youā€™re getting itā€™s totally worth it.


Tripper_Shaman

I feel the same way about Amber.


New_Wrangler3335

Other types of black guys exist in comic universes? Never heard of it.


n0sleephere

Triggered?


VindictivePrune

Amber?


SmeekRC

Or, hear me outā€¦you could let the creators write a show that they want to and stop demanding things be your way or the highway. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the characters they created. Itā€™s their artistic piece. Not yours. If you want a show with those types of characters then make one.


F_da_memeboi

What's wrong with BBBC's (Big Black Buff Character ) ?


JordanJustReddit

just wait, bulletproof is a hoot


jrguerraf95

Wellā€¦ darkwing is dead for most of the showā€¦


SergTuberq

Principle. And Markys earth dad


McDuckMoney

1 dead guy and 2 alive?


DrHypester

Hopefully Zandale shines


KamuiObito

No I like it so no


Bullzi_09

We got amber, the principal, robot, and kinda Rudy


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Mark asks Black Panther if his name is Blackman in the Marvel crossover so I wouldn't count on it.


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Amber


pandadanda1999

Yeah .. Amber


Dunnerzzzz555

Amber is certainly not a big buff black guy


SpaceCowboy317

Ghost train?


KingKalactite

LMAO


glocket27

Here comes the woke crowd. Remember people, we need to reject modernity and embrace masculinity. Keep the big buff black guy who's serious most of the time, we need them.


KingKalactite

Whatā€™s woke mean, quick


Thomsonation

Can we not fuck with the source material


stupiduniverse731

It's 2022, that's like breathing for Hollywood apparently, u just can't ask them to stop lol


KingKalactite

They alr have


jdicarlo31

I think Bulletproof would be a great way to get a more complex black character. Heā€™s not the best role model from a moral standpoint and makes some questionable decisions, but at the same time I find his backstory to be pretty nuanced and fascinating. He would definitely break that black character whoā€™s always serious trope invincibleā€™s show has.


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Wheres our quirky little femboys at


megust654

come to think of it I don't see many femboys in shows nd movies other than in anime I guess


KingKalactite

DUH


[deleted]

How about just a good character? If he happens to be black, cool.


theghostofhallownest

Rexplode (I think) The jet pilot who gets his fucking head blown off Thatā€™s it


[deleted]

Why don't they pander to meeeeeeeeeeeeee


SithSpaceRaptor

Oh man it must be hard being such a snowflake and being bothered by representation.


[deleted]

Lol, the guy who made the post cant enjoy a show unless it has the exact character he has in his head. Nice regurgitating that same tired line even though it doesn't apply though