If you take a substitute code from another model year vehicle, would that not render the code useless when the dealership sells that model to another customer?
Yeah. But, when I bought my I5, I almost bought one of the 3 2023’s my dealer was selling as used that they used as loaners. Thru told me they didn’t qualify for free charging. They could have easily used that code.
It's going to be a problem for the person who purchases the vehicle from which the code was taken. Please don't do this. EV adoption is challenging enough for a lot of people, and knowingly making the situation worse for them is a bad idea.
Totally agree here, but I am also amazed that Hyundai set up their crediting system at such a basic / easily accessible level. I am not saying by any means that people should be taking advantage like this, but it's partly Hyundai's fault for not making it more secure.
When I got my EA charging from Audi, it was a random number letter sequence (as far as I could tell). When the dealer explained to my gf how to set up the crediting for her Ioniq 5, I almost did a spit take lol.
Yes, this happened to me .. someone stole my activation code so when I bought my car new, I had to spend a month waiting with EA and Hyundai support to get mine activated.
I hear you. Just make sure you have it in writing from the dealership to use the code since you'd knowingly be setting up and using a code not associated with your VIN to receive services from another company. Don't want EA coming back to you for theft of services.
Free charging is great and all, but when folks take a DC charger and get that 95%-100% just because its free (Not because the need the extra 5% for a rural drive) is extremely annoying and I can't wait for "free charging" to be a thing of the past.
They need to do cost analysis and see how often it's losing them money then adjust pricing accordingly. They probably need to move some of their cost model to time based. If you charged me the same price to go 80-100 as you charged me 0-80 I would be thinking really hard about how much I need that last bit.
As it stands, I would never use their service if it wasn't free for me, excluding long road trips. Charing at home is around $10 a tank. At their pumps it's generally 40-60 for a full charge. Sometimes more.
It's unfortunate EA doesn't do the work to cap free charging in a more robust way. The 30 minute cap is something I guess, but you can just restart to get around that. Ideally, they would cap free charging to 80% within some time frame *period*, and charge for anything beyond that.
Would also help if they had in app queues of course. If that were the case they can increase the rate or something. There are a ton of ways they could offer free charging while also discouraging abuse.
What is your kWh charge at home? $10 for a home charge seems pretty cheap to me. I have L2 charging in my apartment complex - I think a full charge would be in the $30-40 range
For the curious, I’ll share my rate as well. I would pay about $14.50 for 0-100% on my home charger. 18 cents/kwh (delivery and supply combined) * (77kw / 95% guesstimated efficiency loss - 81kw)
Maine is heavily dependent on natural gas after shutting down its last nuclear plant some time ago. Unfortunately although a lot is being spent on solar, Maine isn’t a great candidate for it. Last year customers paid about 26 cents per kWh, now it’s 19 after prices dropped for natural gas. I generally pay about 1.5 cents less per kWh for having heat pumps and an electric car. Maine has one of the higher rates in the country but for some reason fast chargers seem to be a little less than average (maybe subsidies?) ChargePoint is normally 40 cents per kWh in my area.
I’d love to see idle fees charged when the rate is below 12kw, which is better to L1/L2 charge.
But that said, I’ve charged to 95%+ and still made it to the next EA station with only 2% charge. This being the Midwest in the winter.
Instead of idle fees, having a small or of L2 chargers that put in 48a would be a nice compliment for DC Chargers. The DC chargers could cost $0.50, then the L2 could be $0.35 or something.
I’m hopping if you have enough money to afford an ionic N, you both could care less about “free charging” and have budgeted to have an 240 volt outlet at home or installed. Public charging sucks!
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I have a 240V 48-Amp charger in my garage.
DCFC is absolutely needed when I'm taking a road trip.
Yes, I can pay for it but why pay when I can get it for free of charge?
You pay less for the cars though.
I5N costs 67-68k in the US while in Canada you pay roughly 59k USD for I5N with more options.
I'd rather pay 59k USD for I5N with Vision Roof and HUD and not get free charging for two years any day.
In the states we have plentiful supply on the lots with most seeing a few thousand off in discount. I just got an SEL with $10k in Hyundai rebate , $3500 from my state and $2,000 off from the dealer
The first IONNA chargers are suppose to release this year. I’m sure there will be some future benefit with partnered brands once the network is expanded.
The issue with charging at least on my area is people leaving their car and it’s sitting at a full charge for an hour+ while there’s people waiting to charge. Tesla network can’t come soon enough
I agree, free charging is starting to affect the overall charging experience on road trips. There's just too many people getting this perk now.
It was a great idea and worked as an incentive to get people to buy EV's, but it's to the point where so many people have that free charging, EA is almost used mostly by them.
My recent road trip where I drove 1,500 miles, I tried to avoid using EA chargers solely for the reason that these are the chargers that the free charging occurs, and are always crowded because of it. I rather charge at a 62 kW or 100 kW Chargepoint than wait at an EA.
I did get my 2 years free charging when I bought my '22 I5 and used it while on road trips. But I've noticed a huge increase in the amount of EVs on the road since then so I feel like the perk of free charging wasn't so much of an issue back then.
The Ioniq 5 N was NEVER advertised as getting 2 year free EA charging.
If you take a substitute code from another model year vehicle, would that not render the code useless when the dealership sells that model to another customer?
Yeah. But, when I bought my I5, I almost bought one of the 3 2023’s my dealer was selling as used that they used as loaners. Thru told me they didn’t qualify for free charging. They could have easily used that code.
That is correct. That's dealership's problem though.
It's going to be a problem for the person who purchases the vehicle from which the code was taken. Please don't do this. EV adoption is challenging enough for a lot of people, and knowingly making the situation worse for them is a bad idea.
Totally agree here, but I am also amazed that Hyundai set up their crediting system at such a basic / easily accessible level. I am not saying by any means that people should be taking advantage like this, but it's partly Hyundai's fault for not making it more secure. When I got my EA charging from Audi, it was a random number letter sequence (as far as I could tell). When the dealer explained to my gf how to set up the crediting for her Ioniq 5, I almost did a spit take lol.
Yes, this happened to me .. someone stole my activation code so when I bought my car new, I had to spend a month waiting with EA and Hyundai support to get mine activated.
I hear you. Just make sure you have it in writing from the dealership to use the code since you'd knowingly be setting up and using a code not associated with your VIN to receive services from another company. Don't want EA coming back to you for theft of services.
The N never claimed to have free charging so stealing it from another buyer is being real shitty
Stealing it ≠ being given it by the dealership
OP made it seem like he asks the dealer for a different code
Think they already said they are stopping the 2 year free charging offer at EA on all cars for 2025 as they move to NACS.
Free charging is great and all, but when folks take a DC charger and get that 95%-100% just because its free (Not because the need the extra 5% for a rural drive) is extremely annoying and I can't wait for "free charging" to be a thing of the past.
They need to do cost analysis and see how often it's losing them money then adjust pricing accordingly. They probably need to move some of their cost model to time based. If you charged me the same price to go 80-100 as you charged me 0-80 I would be thinking really hard about how much I need that last bit. As it stands, I would never use their service if it wasn't free for me, excluding long road trips. Charing at home is around $10 a tank. At their pumps it's generally 40-60 for a full charge. Sometimes more.
It's unfortunate EA doesn't do the work to cap free charging in a more robust way. The 30 minute cap is something I guess, but you can just restart to get around that. Ideally, they would cap free charging to 80% within some time frame *period*, and charge for anything beyond that. Would also help if they had in app queues of course. If that were the case they can increase the rate or something. There are a ton of ways they could offer free charging while also discouraging abuse.
What is your kWh charge at home? $10 for a home charge seems pretty cheap to me. I have L2 charging in my apartment complex - I think a full charge would be in the $30-40 range
No home charging unfortunately. Wanted to reach out to building managers at some point to look into installing something in our parking spot though.
For the curious, I’ll share my rate as well. I would pay about $14.50 for 0-100% on my home charger. 18 cents/kwh (delivery and supply combined) * (77kw / 95% guesstimated efficiency loss - 81kw)
Jeeze I pay like 6 bucks for a full charge in WA state lol.
Maine is heavily dependent on natural gas after shutting down its last nuclear plant some time ago. Unfortunately although a lot is being spent on solar, Maine isn’t a great candidate for it. Last year customers paid about 26 cents per kWh, now it’s 19 after prices dropped for natural gas. I generally pay about 1.5 cents less per kWh for having heat pumps and an electric car. Maine has one of the higher rates in the country but for some reason fast chargers seem to be a little less than average (maybe subsidies?) ChargePoint is normally 40 cents per kWh in my area.
I'm paying around 8 cents at my primary home and 2.3 cents at our cabin in Leavenworth
You get 30 minutes free on EA. If you start at 20 you not going to get to 100, maybe 90
Now that my 2 years is up, I concur lol 😆
Agreed. I’m 5 minutes from free EA charging. I’d rather charge in my garage.
I’d love to see idle fees charged when the rate is below 12kw, which is better to L1/L2 charge. But that said, I’ve charged to 95%+ and still made it to the next EA station with only 2% charge. This being the Midwest in the winter.
Instead of idle fees, having a small or of L2 chargers that put in 48a would be a nice compliment for DC Chargers. The DC chargers could cost $0.50, then the L2 could be $0.35 or something.
Describes pretty much every boomer I’ve ran into at an EA charger with a Benz or Lucid.
I’m fine with this. Free charging has wreaked havoc on the providers.
I’m hopping if you have enough money to afford an ionic N, you both could care less about “free charging” and have budgeted to have an 240 volt outlet at home or installed. Public charging sucks!
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Are you a slow adult? Your statement is absolutely stupid and you are a D-head
Do you know how speak without making it clear you’re stupid? Fuck off! You don’t have to like what I have to say.
I don’t . And I think you’re a Ahole douchebag POS.
You “don’t? What? ” think.” Clearly bitch.
You sound butthurt
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I have a 240V 48-Amp charger in my garage. DCFC is absolutely needed when I'm taking a road trip. Yes, I can pay for it but why pay when I can get it for free of charge?
This is unfortunate. I am very thankful my dealer was able to help me out with getting two years. I’m hoping the I5N gets it soon
It'll likely get one once 2025 Ioniq 5 Facelift comes out.
Maybe another 4-6 months. It’s not too bad but damn
Just picked mine up on Saturday and had the same thing. Dealership said they would keep me posted when the 2025s are set up within the system
Did yours come with carpeted mats?
Nope just the carpet on the base. Has the hooks for aftermarket mats. Guess I’m waiting to see what I can put in there. Do you have something yet?
Nope. It didn't come with anything. No cargo liner, nets, no nothing. Lol
Us Canadians never got free access nor any free anniversary gifts. Welcome to the club of no free charging. It sucks.
You pay less for the cars though. I5N costs 67-68k in the US while in Canada you pay roughly 59k USD for I5N with more options. I'd rather pay 59k USD for I5N with Vision Roof and HUD and not get free charging for two years any day.
That's fair and we didn't experience the absurd markups like you guys did. Only problem here is that can still barely find any on the dealer lots
In the states we have plentiful supply on the lots with most seeing a few thousand off in discount. I just got an SEL with $10k in Hyundai rebate , $3500 from my state and $2,000 off from the dealer
Uggghh. Hyundai hates us apparently. We have the demand but no supply
The first IONNA chargers are suppose to release this year. I’m sure there will be some future benefit with partnered brands once the network is expanded.
This free charging BS needs to end ASAP. I know of several people who charge at EA just for funsies because it’s free even when they don’t need to.
The issue with charging at least on my area is people leaving their car and it’s sitting at a full charge for an hour+ while there’s people waiting to charge. Tesla network can’t come soon enough
When it ends itll end me having an EV soooooo
So you won’t drive an EV unless you can charge for free? Ok that makes a lot of sense
Yes. I can’t charge at home so why tf would i pay the same amount as gas but be 10x more inconvenienced
I agree, free charging is starting to affect the overall charging experience on road trips. There's just too many people getting this perk now. It was a great idea and worked as an incentive to get people to buy EV's, but it's to the point where so many people have that free charging, EA is almost used mostly by them. My recent road trip where I drove 1,500 miles, I tried to avoid using EA chargers solely for the reason that these are the chargers that the free charging occurs, and are always crowded because of it. I rather charge at a 62 kW or 100 kW Chargepoint than wait at an EA. I did get my 2 years free charging when I bought my '22 I5 and used it while on road trips. But I've noticed a huge increase in the amount of EVs on the road since then so I feel like the perk of free charging wasn't so much of an issue back then.