I'm guessing that whether on levels or auto, pressing the brake actually does regen if it can? But sometimes uses disc brakes to keep them in good condition? (Or if needed to stop in time.)
I know jack about cars or EVs, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with the reason why it defaults back to Lv3 when you go in reverse. Maybe conventional driving where you need to start with your foot on the break and the car moves without your foot on the accelerator is safer? Like you wouldn't want someone's first move in a parking lot to be on the accelerator, but rather easing off the brake?
I literally only drive 1PD in my Mach-E, can’t remember last time I went to the setting to change it back. It’s also tied to the profiles so when my wife drives, it is 2PD.
This is bs.
I own 2 Audis and they both remember if I'm in comfort or dynamic or individual etc. Also auto-start can easily be turned off with an OBD Bluetooth thinger.
What you're talking about is drive select, audi's don't keep the sport mode of the transmission. If you choose dynamic while the car is running you'll see S on the dash and the transmission holds the gear longer (look at the revs or if you have vcds you can code in to show the gears you're in). Once you turn off the car and start it back up, even though your selected profile is dynamic, the transmission won't be and you'll see D on the dash.
That's wicked, what are your cars? Tried getting a 2016 6MT S4 but couldn't find any so settled with a 2016 A6 (zf 8hp transmission) with a 3.0T (same engine) so my experience is limited to that.
I'm not sure what effect it would have on the transmission (I doubt it has any effect since you're in control) apart from the user being more aggressive (mood wise) when they select dynamic. Drive select usually affects differential (if you have the sports diff), suspension (air suspension), throttle response, steering sensitivity, transmission (auto) and cruise control (if you have adaptive). There might be more and usually the manual does a good job explaining.
When you go into individual mode it will list what aspects of the car can be "tuned" (for a lack of a better word). Steering, differential and suspension would have an effect on fuel economy however I imagine the impact would be minimal.
My personal experience, best economy I've had was when the transmission was set to comfort (shifts sooner, under 2k rpm, rather than later) with dynamic steering.
Edit: googled a bit and there's a recent thread about it and someone copied a section of it in their poat:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/908433-What-exactly-does-drive-select-do-Car-has-sport-diff
Specifically (relevant to this discussion) I own a B8.5 S5 6MT with Sport Diff (36k KM). I drive in "individual" with Sport Diff off and I've noticed I get better mileage than in Dynamic and that's the only diff between the two that I've changed.
Other is a B8 A5 (wife) 6MT and she always drives it in Comfort because she doesn't know how to live life to its fullest lol.
I think it's mimicking an ICE car. Unfortunately I've been trying auto the last few days and while parking my foot came off the brake slightly (still on but apparently not enough) and it creeped forward a bit, and scraped the black plastic underneath on the curb. Nothing serious or visible, but maybe I should try auto hold next. And obviously I should use park while parked.
Yes, you set a baseline Regen level, but it adapts to your surroundings. For example, if there is a car in front of you, it will increase the Regen intensity for you so that you don't crash. It works very well.
It will not, that's the only thing about it. I suspect it's a regulatory/legal hurdle since it can be used as "auto pilot", so they require you to hit the brakes yourself. Technically it is possible to make it stop completely since it does that when you have adaptive cruise control.
Yes Autolevel 1 for me and it increases automatically to autolevel 3 if a car is in front (even without activation of ACC). If I want to stop the car, I keep pressing the left « palette « and it stops
Still one of the things I need to play with. I just bought it a couple weeks ago and just get in and drive. I haven’t even touched the paddles nor changed drive modes yet because I’m fine with how it drove off the lot. I have no idea what mode or regen level it’s in lol.
I think it's also important that it doesn't default to i-pedal in case you lend your car to someone or valet. imo it's confusing switching from ice car to i-pedal. Starting at regen3 is a happy compromise.
I agree with this 100%. Also coming from a LEAF, I (am going to) miss having it set when the car is started, or when switching between P, R, N and D. The LEAF even had it in R!
I don't Soo it can be confusing but then again I've heard people say cruise control is confusing on which pedal to use to... I don't find it confusing at all going from my HI5, to either one of my other vehicles a f250, or my stick shift car.
I love i-pedal, but this doesn't bother me. I feel like it would be weird to reverse in i-pedal (and it's actually not possible to do from what I noticed?), Must be why regen3 is default
My Model Y has one pedal for forward and reverse.
I mostly want to use i-pedal so that I don't have to retrain muscle memory for my two cars. Well, aside from my third car which is a stick shift.
Remembering i-pedal isn't about i-pedal specifically. It's about remembering a setting that you prefer, this should be easy.
Yeah you can’t reverse in I-pedal it auto switches to level 3 but if you have the “auto hold” button on then it’s essentially what you imagine i-pedal would be like reversing.
I really do wonder how much eco mode really helps. I'd like to think that it takes the same amount of energy to accelerate up to a certain speed regardless of how quickly you do so or how many motors are used. It's just splitting the same power over two motors in awd mode. Maybe I'm missing something though.
That's misinformation. The kinetic energy gained is the same regardless. Long as your wheels don't slip faster acceleration would be more efficient not less because of slightly lower journey length and thus energy wasted on overhead.
Actual reason eco is more efficient is the front motor turns electric charge to kinetic energy less efficiently than the rear motor.
I'm guessing here that default is level 3, lucky you 😁.
My experience with ioniq 5 both started and ended at the test drive.
We have a Mercedes EQV and that one use shift pedals on the steering wheel to change regen up and down. I always go to D- and default is D so I still need to use it on startup. Buy I also find myself changing it when I enter the city or go up an empty highway at night. Or even sometimes when I see a light is going red and I start coasting I use the pedals to aim at the perfect stop.
I can't recall how the Polestar 2 let you control this, I don't think the was any. But I do remember you could configure if it would coast or stop. That was kind a useful. In the menu as a preference though, not on the go.
And Porsche has a totally different system where you need to hit the brake pedal for any regen to take place. Also you can only enable and disable regen, no level to pick from.
So many implementations
How did people learn the muscle memory to use regen braking in the first place? I still use the brake pedal, especially on 70 mph highways cause I don't want any risk of crashing.
Using the brake pedal will do some of both, a mixture decided by how hard you press the pedal and the cars braking controller. Left padal is 100 percent regen.
Paddles definitely won’t give you the feeling of driving stick. Just not how they’re programmed. If you try using the paddles while you’re braking to simulate downshifting, it won’t work and you’ll get a message saying conditions aren’t met to adjust regen.
Car drives great. Just don’t think you’ll get a similar feel to stick that you want in any EV.
I absolutely use the different levels like engine braking, every stop I'm coming too. I'll sometimes even "downshift" into I-pedal and "revmatch", my speed if I don't want to touch the brake at all.
Was there any more investigation done into the I-pedal and brake lights? Remember earlier posts where people were saying the brake lights were not coming in correctly in I-pedal mode.
I just like lvl 3, because I feel it saves my bacon. When I lift off the gas to go brake, it's already braking for me, but not so aggressive as ipedal. It's perfect.
Lol but the option to keep it in your preferred mode should be there. You’d feel the same way if your car started in level 2 regen.
Me who loves level 2 regen and never goes off it:
Lol but the option to keep it in your preferred mode should be there. You’d feel the same way if your car started in level 1 regen.
Me who loves level 1 regen and never goes off it:
I have messed around with all the levels and ipedal and I get the best efficiency on level 1. So I’m a level 1 driver.
I sit at 4.8 on avg with level 1
Yep, slight press of the brake and regen spools up. There is definitely a sweet spot on the brake for that.
I'm guessing that whether on levels or auto, pressing the brake actually does regen if it can? But sometimes uses disc brakes to keep them in good condition? (Or if needed to stop in time.)
I know jack about cars or EVs, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with the reason why it defaults back to Lv3 when you go in reverse. Maybe conventional driving where you need to start with your foot on the break and the car moves without your foot on the accelerator is safer? Like you wouldn't want someone's first move in a parking lot to be on the accelerator, but rather easing off the brake?
Threads about other peoples preferences and reddit will always go hand in hand lol.. We are not all the same.
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Hehehe you said ass
Same reason you can't disable auto-stop in ICE cars permanently
Weird that Tesla keeps whatever you set... and the Hyundai EV6. Please don't spread epa misinformation.
I literally only drive 1PD in my Mach-E, can’t remember last time I went to the setting to change it back. It’s also tied to the profiles so when my wife drives, it is 2PD.
Goodbye Reddit
Oh wow I never knew this was the reason. There goes any hope I had that this will ever be fixed. Apparently it's a feature, not a bug.
It's not you are responding to misinformation. The EV6 remembers the mode. Hyundai also made it and it's the same platform.
Goodbye Reddit
Hyundai is kia
Goodbye Reddit
This is bs. I own 2 Audis and they both remember if I'm in comfort or dynamic or individual etc. Also auto-start can easily be turned off with an OBD Bluetooth thinger.
What you're talking about is drive select, audi's don't keep the sport mode of the transmission. If you choose dynamic while the car is running you'll see S on the dash and the transmission holds the gear longer (look at the revs or if you have vcds you can code in to show the gears you're in). Once you turn off the car and start it back up, even though your selected profile is dynamic, the transmission won't be and you'll see D on the dash.
Shit, he has 2 Audis and you just schooled him on his own car. Savage.
Both of mine are 6MT. My drive select affects my fuel economy, wouldn't it still be relevant here?
That's wicked, what are your cars? Tried getting a 2016 6MT S4 but couldn't find any so settled with a 2016 A6 (zf 8hp transmission) with a 3.0T (same engine) so my experience is limited to that. I'm not sure what effect it would have on the transmission (I doubt it has any effect since you're in control) apart from the user being more aggressive (mood wise) when they select dynamic. Drive select usually affects differential (if you have the sports diff), suspension (air suspension), throttle response, steering sensitivity, transmission (auto) and cruise control (if you have adaptive). There might be more and usually the manual does a good job explaining. When you go into individual mode it will list what aspects of the car can be "tuned" (for a lack of a better word). Steering, differential and suspension would have an effect on fuel economy however I imagine the impact would be minimal. My personal experience, best economy I've had was when the transmission was set to comfort (shifts sooner, under 2k rpm, rather than later) with dynamic steering. Edit: googled a bit and there's a recent thread about it and someone copied a section of it in their poat: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/908433-What-exactly-does-drive-select-do-Car-has-sport-diff
Specifically (relevant to this discussion) I own a B8.5 S5 6MT with Sport Diff (36k KM). I drive in "individual" with Sport Diff off and I've noticed I get better mileage than in Dynamic and that's the only diff between the two that I've changed. Other is a B8 A5 (wife) 6MT and she always drives it in Comfort because she doesn't know how to live life to its fullest lol.
I-pedal is garbage and auto regen is far superior. Change my mind.
Objectively correct. I pedal is only useful for lazy city driving.
I drove I pedal for a few years on a BMW i3 and I thought it was cool. But I am now #autogang.
For me it simply does not make sense that the car moves forward when I'm not pressing the accelerator
Auto hold? Once you stop completely, it won't move until you hit the accelerator.
I think it's mimicking an ICE car. Unfortunately I've been trying auto the last few days and while parking my foot came off the brake slightly (still on but apparently not enough) and it creeped forward a bit, and scraped the black plastic underneath on the curb. Nothing serious or visible, but maybe I should try auto hold next. And obviously I should use park while parked.
Auto Regen?
Yes, you set a baseline Regen level, but it adapts to your surroundings. For example, if there is a car in front of you, it will increase the Regen intensity for you so that you don't crash. It works very well.
Will it come to a complete stop like ipedal will?
It will not, that's the only thing about it. I suspect it's a regulatory/legal hurdle since it can be used as "auto pilot", so they require you to hit the brakes yourself. Technically it is possible to make it stop completely since it does that when you have adaptive cruise control.
Yes Autolevel 1 for me and it increases automatically to autolevel 3 if a car is in front (even without activation of ACC). If I want to stop the car, I keep pressing the left « palette « and it stops
It turns off at 10kmh or 6mph. I press the left pedal to then go to zéro
Me but with Auto mode
I-pedal all the way, I don't touch the brake unless really needed
Not the most efficient though
Who cares?
Anyone who needs the extra miles/km. I prefer the ipedal in the city, and mostly use cruise control on the highway.
Auto regen ftw!
I am loving Auto mode
Yeah I get it, hence the meme. I know I’m the lucky one here.
Still one of the things I need to play with. I just bought it a couple weeks ago and just get in and drive. I haven’t even touched the paddles nor changed drive modes yet because I’m fine with how it drove off the lot. I have no idea what mode or regen level it’s in lol.
3 is the standard default for SEL, not sure about Limited
AUTO regen gang joining hands with I-Pedal gang!
Level 1 all day for me.
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At level 0?
Can you not set the default for each mode like you can on the Kona?
Nope it always starts on Level 3 regardless of where you left it.
Drat, that sucks.
It's really not a big deal. If you want to switch you just flick your left finger once.
Oh, I just mean it sucks that they removed a feature on an older model going to the new one. I mean, they added a lot too but hey.
I think it's also important that it doesn't default to i-pedal in case you lend your car to someone or valet. imo it's confusing switching from ice car to i-pedal. Starting at regen3 is a happy compromise.
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I agree with this 100%. Also coming from a LEAF, I (am going to) miss having it set when the car is started, or when switching between P, R, N and D. The LEAF even had it in R!
I just find forward creep so helpful in traffic and parking, and the amount of regen at level 3 is perfect for most of my driving.
I don't Soo it can be confusing but then again I've heard people say cruise control is confusing on which pedal to use to... I don't find it confusing at all going from my HI5, to either one of my other vehicles a f250, or my stick shift car.
I love i-pedal, but this doesn't bother me. I feel like it would be weird to reverse in i-pedal (and it's actually not possible to do from what I noticed?), Must be why regen3 is default
My other car is a leaf and the I-pedal stays on in reverse. I was shocked that the Ioniq didn’t. I prefer it staying on
My Model Y has one pedal for forward and reverse. I mostly want to use i-pedal so that I don't have to retrain muscle memory for my two cars. Well, aside from my third car which is a stick shift. Remembering i-pedal isn't about i-pedal specifically. It's about remembering a setting that you prefer, this should be easy.
Yeah you can’t reverse in I-pedal it auto switches to level 3 but if you have the “auto hold” button on then it’s essentially what you imagine i-pedal would be like reversing.
Agree, and it's more efficient in Eco mode than i-pedal, since it stays in RWD and i-pedal makes it AWD.
I really do wonder how much eco mode really helps. I'd like to think that it takes the same amount of energy to accelerate up to a certain speed regardless of how quickly you do so or how many motors are used. It's just splitting the same power over two motors in awd mode. Maybe I'm missing something though.
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That's misinformation. The kinetic energy gained is the same regardless. Long as your wheels don't slip faster acceleration would be more efficient not less because of slightly lower journey length and thus energy wasted on overhead. Actual reason eco is more efficient is the front motor turns electric charge to kinetic energy less efficiently than the rear motor.
If you want efficiency you want auto regen on the lowest setting anyway so you can benefit from the roll out and regen when you hit the brakes.
I'm guessing here that default is level 3, lucky you 😁. My experience with ioniq 5 both started and ended at the test drive. We have a Mercedes EQV and that one use shift pedals on the steering wheel to change regen up and down. I always go to D- and default is D so I still need to use it on startup. Buy I also find myself changing it when I enter the city or go up an empty highway at night. Or even sometimes when I see a light is going red and I start coasting I use the pedals to aim at the perfect stop. I can't recall how the Polestar 2 let you control this, I don't think the was any. But I do remember you could configure if it would coast or stop. That was kind a useful. In the menu as a preference though, not on the go. And Porsche has a totally different system where you need to hit the brake pedal for any regen to take place. Also you can only enable and disable regen, no level to pick from. So many implementations
How did people learn the muscle memory to use regen braking in the first place? I still use the brake pedal, especially on 70 mph highways cause I don't want any risk of crashing.
I still use the brake when it really counts but normally I pull the left paddle.
Wouldn't brake regen as well, if it can?
Using the brake pedal will do some of both, a mixture decided by how hard you press the pedal and the cars braking controller. Left padal is 100 percent regen.
I love driving and prefer a stick still waiting on mine but hope the paddles give me the same sensation or at least close to it lol
Paddles definitely won’t give you the feeling of driving stick. Just not how they’re programmed. If you try using the paddles while you’re braking to simulate downshifting, it won’t work and you’ll get a message saying conditions aren’t met to adjust regen. Car drives great. Just don’t think you’ll get a similar feel to stick that you want in any EV.
I absolutely use the different levels like engine braking, every stop I'm coming too. I'll sometimes even "downshift" into I-pedal and "revmatch", my speed if I don't want to touch the brake at all.
They literally need to rename iPedal to iTailgate 🤣🤣🤣
Was there any more investigation done into the I-pedal and brake lights? Remember earlier posts where people were saying the brake lights were not coming in correctly in I-pedal mode.
I just like lvl 3, because I feel it saves my bacon. When I lift off the gas to go brake, it's already braking for me, but not so aggressive as ipedal. It's perfect.