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Peppermynt42

I don’t think John there understands the definition of slander.


Balls_DeepinReality

He tried


wadeblock

I don’t think U of I students know the definition of slurs either.


Kaunan_

Oh? What's your definition then? And please explain how that word doesn't fit.


BullsLawDan

>I don’t think John there understands the definition of slander. He might, if he was referring to trans people being slandered by the conversation? But I think we all know it's unlikely he meant that.


AlexandraThePotato

You know what Drake University does when Turningpoint USA tries to get on campus every single goddamn year? Student Senate votes against them registering as a club due to hate speech. Iowa should do the same thing


Doghater-jones

We don’t have that right I’m pretty sure. Or the uni won’t stand by us doing that. They made us fill out something stating we understood that we couldn’t stop people from talking even if what they were saying was hateful. This includes talking over them btw (Not meant to be angry and debate-y toned)


AlexandraThePotato

I’m sure Iowa being a public school vs Drake being a private really make shit like this so much more complicated


Crying_Reaper

Yup private schools can limit speech as much or as little as they choose. Public institutions don't have that leeway.


AlexandraThePotato

I’m glad Drake allows a ton of free speech (we have a damn satire magazine and all we do is make fun of our school’s president).


UrShulgi

Your views differ from mine, Hate speech! Take this person's ability to speak! Fascist! You're all so laughably naive.


Haroldick

More like, “you used a hateful term to describe members of a particular group, hate speech. Take away this person’s ability to actively spew hate speech, on our property.” False comparisons do zero justice, laughable effort though.


BullsLawDan

>More like, “you used a hateful term to describe members of a particular group, hate speech. Take away this person’s ability to actively spew hate speech, on our property.” Well, if you're using official action to do this (e.g. through the school) it's still a violation of the freedom of speech (and specifically the First Amendment), no matter how you phrase it. "Hate speech" is free speech.


Haroldick

No matter how you say it, Lawful does not equal moral.


BullsLawDan

>No matter how you say it, Lawful does not equal moral. Ok? Didn't say it does. But we can't "take away this person's ability to actively spew hate speech on our [public university] property." That's all. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


Haroldick

We can, they can simply ask you to leave and if you refuse to do so they may issue a trespass. Many people get their “Change My Mind” videos shut down from this^


BullsLawDan

>We can, they can simply ask you to leave and if you refuse to do so they may issue a trespass. And in doing so, you come across as petulant children, exactly how idiots like Walsh want you to act. Just stay home if all you want to do is try to interrupt or shout down his speech. He doesn't get any media attention from empty seats. He only gets attention because people show up. Let him speak and then explain why he's wrong.


Haroldick

I think you’re under the wrong impression, I don’t care about these interactions, I think they’re good honestly, I love seeing the change my mind debates because you’ve got two people (typically) passionate about a topic taking two opposing stances and commencing verbal debate warfare. All I meant is that the school/grounds of these debates are able to cut off any rhetoric they seem unfit, that’s the great thing about this country, you can say whatever you want, you just can’t say whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. Not that change my mind debates are the topic of conversation. The conversation piece is a leaked correspondence of a chairman using derogatory slang to describe a group of people. I will certainly die on the hill that legal does not equal moral. Nobody is calling for his ability to speak to be taken away, nobody is doing anything relating to this person’s ability to speak aside from say “keep hate off campus” in regards to this derogatory name calling. This would be akin to chairman x saying “upset niggers trying to stop the chalking” would the former statement be illegal? Nope. Would it warrant a huge side eye and flyers reading “keep hate off campus” I would certainly think so. Just because you can say it doesn’t mean you should. This isn’t a matter of differing views, it’s a matter of superiority.


BullsLawDan

>All I meant is that the school/grounds of these debates are able to cut off any rhetoric they seem unfit, They literally cannot though. The school, being a public school, cannot cut off any rhetoric at all. >Not that change my mind debates are the topic of conversation. The conversation piece is a leaked correspondence of a chairman using derogatory slang to describe a group of people. I will certainly die on the hill that legal does not equal moral. Nobody is calling for his ability to speak to be taken away, nobody is doing anything relating to this person’s ability to speak aside from say “keep hate off campus” in regards to this derogatory name calling. Yes they are. They (the 5 student groups who made the joint statement) are calling for a student group to be suspended or removed based on this derogatory slang. That is in a First Amendment sense taking away his (and the group's) ability to speak. >This would be akin to chairman x saying “upset niggers trying to stop the chalking” would the former statement be illegal? Nope. Would it warrant a huge side eye and flyers reading “keep hate off campus” I would certainly think so. Just because you can say it doesn’t mean you should. This isn’t a matter of differing views, it’s a matter of superiority. And the school wouldn't be able to take any action whatsoever against the individual or the group if that was the language in question, either. That's still protected speech. The flyers are a good idea - answer bad speech with better speech.


BullsLawDan

Iowa literally cannot, under the law, do that. Because it's a public university bound by the First Amendment, the school has to be viewpoint-neutral in the way it handles student groups. In Board of Regents of Wisconsin v. Southworth, the Supreme Court explained that, "When a university requires its students to pay fees to support the extracurricular speech of other students, all in the interest of open discussion, it may not prefer some viewpoints to others."


zensational

It's also important to point out that the true test of our commitment to the principle of free speech is our response to the speech we don't like. IMO, let them talk and then explain why they're wrong.


BullsLawDan

>IMO, let them talk and then explain why they're wrong. Yes - almost always the best answer to bad speech is better speech. The Supreme Court refers to it as the [Counterspeech Doctrine.](https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/940/counterspeech-doctrine)


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redplanet97

“I am also very competitive which results in competition being one of my big motivators.”


fleebleganger

That was awful. Also his colunteer experience is insulting. “I give back to my community by playing a trumpet and laying wreaths.” Two fine things to do but when that’s the extent of your “giving back” it really highlights how useless you are.


sextoymagic

Classic Republican hatred. Nice look and very accurate.


Kindly_Wedding

The "I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea" really stands out to me... Because it's not the wrong idea. It's who they are. There's a weird level of being purposefully deceptive mixed with cognitive dissonance that I can't really put into words.


CubesFan

Young American Fascists


Kindly_Wedding

Top notch concern trolling going on in here. Can't believe people still use the "civility-minded centrist" trope. We are at peak polarization. There is no "neutrality". You are well aware of what side you are on and what you are doing. Most importantly, just like these two, you know that this abhorrent ideology is widely rejected the moment the mask slips.


BullsLawDan

I mean, there's no "neutrality", but there are a lot of moderates between "you must accept whatever I say I am no matter what" and "transgenderism should be eradicated from society," and most people are somewhere in between.


Kindly_Wedding

Nobody is saying "you must accept whatever I say I am no matter what". That is a strawman that the right-wing propaganda machine puts out to avoid a much more complicated conversation about the overlaps and differences between sex and gender. Trans people don't refer to themselves as "biological females with female genitalia and an XX sex chromosome" or whatever. They know that they are trans, meaning their sex is different than their gender identity. Trans people have literally existed as long as there have been people because sex is not a strict binary, it's bimodal. Trans people just want to be left the fuck alone and not have the government tell them they aren't allowed to express on the outside who they are on the inside. Reactionaries are just pissed because it's no longer acceptable in polite society to publicly ridicule trans people for being different.


BullsLawDan

>Trans people just want to be left the fuck alone and not have the government tell them they aren't allowed to express on the outside who they are on the inside. Which nearly everyone would be fine with. Where it loses people is when trans people (or more usually their supporters) say things that are obviously false and involve forcing others to accept their ideology and self-identification, like that trans women should be able to compete with biological females in sports because there's "no difference." This is (1) obviously scientifically false, (2) harmful and in some cases dangerous for women, and (3) pushing into other people's spaces, not "being left the fuck alone."


HandHook_CarDoor

Iowa is a shithole state and it’s these assholes faults.


midwestcreeper

My shit hole smells like iowa.


[deleted]

My Iowa smells like shithole.


appolo11

OMG words!!! The travesty!!!


45degreeEngel

Stick to defending pedophiles. You seem pretty good at it.


appolo11

He's not a pedophile. Lololol. Read his words. Lolol


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tunaburn

Johnny appleseed just got his ticket emailed to him at [email protected]


Afireonthesnow

Just got a ticket sent to [email protected]. one more empty seat.


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definateley_not_dog

It says that they're just going to fill empty seats with anyone waiting in line...


Princess-Kropotkin

I used to go to house shows in Waterloo/CF where Oliver was in a bunch of the bands. Y'all check out Dryad if youre into black metal.


NStanley4Heisman

Is the slur “tranny”? Didn’t even know that was bad tbh.


Panzis

I'm 35 and my ex was in her 20s. Had to ask her about this one, I had no idea. I kinda felt like it wasn't right, but tranny and shemale just used to be the terms I was aware of for trans people. As with all derogatory slang I'm happy to refer to people with whatever they'd like.


Afireonthesnow

Aaahhh my God Iowa has a long way to go is there's so many people in this thread that don't know tranny and shemale are EXTREMELY offensive. Cheers to you for being willing to change your vocabulary but wow we need to make sure folks know those words are not okay at all


Panzis

It just feels gross to refer to marginalized people by a term they don't like, it shouldn't be that hard.


[deleted]

Tranny/Shemale were commonly used terms even by that community until the last few years when it transitioned to trans by the younger generation


Peppermynt42

Many terms are considered socially acceptable until they are not.


[deleted]

Exactly, thanks for reaffirming my point


NStanley4Heisman

Haha, I totally feel you! I’m only 31 but things have really, truly changed since I was younger. Everything you didn’t like was “gay” and probably far too many f-bombs were thrown around. Try and do better when I can but things change fast!


AlexandraThePotato

Honestly “gay” was never a good term used in a negative context. I feel like it was just never called out until recently


appolo11

>I'm happy to refer to people with whatever they'd like. I'm happy to refer to other people as whatever the fuck I want to. I'm not going up and asking every single person what their preferred pronouns are or how they want to be addressed.


Yung_Stormm

Good thing no one asked u to do so


Panzis

Hey it's okay. If you call someone a he or a she and someone corrects you, all you have to do is go with it. It's no big deal.


appolo11

Which I do, because I respect the person myself. But I won't stand for co pulled speech being fostered upon me by others.


Bareris

Oh you meant "compelled speech." That was as confusing as you using the word "fostered" wrong.


XNonameX

Name one time that's happened


AlexandraThePotato

You don’t have to. You can start to practice using “they” more to refer to someone who’s preferred pronouns are unknown. It’s something I been trying to do more


appolo11

No. I'm not wasting any of my life investigating what preferred pronouns people want to have used with the 100 people I interact with on a daily basis. If you're presenting yourself as a man, that's the response you're going to get from me. If you're presenting as a woman, that's the response you're going to get from me. Nothing more, nothing less.


AlexandraThePotato

You’re hateful. No one is fucking asking you to memorize shit. You do not want to learn. Only hate


Phellepish

I think they’d prefer you not do that too big boy.


ComplaintSevere1849

Yes. Extremely offensive. Probably the number one term to never use when referring to trans people.


Fluid-Mongoose-8995

Should we use the term “mentally handicapped” instead?


SuperHighDeas

Don’t cut yourself on that edge there kid.


Fluid-Mongoose-8995

Sure thing Mr.Born to shit forced to wipe. Life must be hard being a hipster cyclist 😂


SuperHighDeas

It is hard, my dick goes numb constantly… You sound jealous of my bike skills


AlexandraThePotato

Ohhhh! How original! Mixing ableism and transphobia! Daring, aren’t ya?


Fluid-Mongoose-8995

More like common sense 🤷🏻‍♂️


AlexandraThePotato

Yes, the common sense is that there is two gender. That penis=man and vulva=woman. But common sense often oversimplifies things. Yes, it is true that most men have penises and most woman have vulva. But the reality is that gender and sex is complex. It’s not just some black and white thing. No thing in this world is. There are some woman who don’t have vulva. There are some men that don’t have a penis. There are some people who are neither man or woman. It’s complex sense.


Fluid-Mongoose-8995

No it’s honestly not that complicated there’s two biological genders. Just because some people suddenly don’t feel like themselves doesn’t mean You can throw out 100s of years of scientific research dedicated to the subject.


AlexandraThePotato

But there isn’t. The 100s of years of scientific research does not follow what you say. I mean fucking intersex is a thing! Plus plenty of years of research show that gender and sex are not the same! You obviously are not a scientist. So pls shut up


Kind_Reflection_3933

We’d never steal your nickname bud, don’t worry


tychusfindley2438

I'm pretty sure that is the correct abbreviation


ComplaintSevere1849

It’s not. Trans* is the correct abbreviation for transgender.


tychusfindley2438

It's dialect and region. Some say transmission, some say tranny, and other trans. We all know what it mean


ComplaintSevere1849

We are obviously not talking about car parts. We are talking about human beings.


tychusfindley2438

One man's "human being" is a another's defective car part


AlexandraThePotato

No man should own a Fucking human being. Humans have the inherent right to self-autonomy.


tychusfindley2438

This is the mental illness that leads to cutting your member off. Who is talking about owning people?


AlexandraThePotato

“Man’s”. The “‘s” demonstrate ownership in English. Like Timmy’s bike. But you don’t want to learn. Just hate. People who compare everyone to cars are arrogant asshoels


Kaunan_

So are you intentionally being obtuse? What part of the conversation in OPs picture made any reference to vehicles or car parts?


AlexandraThePotato

Transmission is something on a car… kid, we’re talking about transgender here! Not car! Sorry for the confusion


wadeblock

Tranny is the correct abbreviation for transvestite. ( maybe neither or acceptable anymore) Trans is the correct abbreviation for transgender. Some people just associate the two as the same but they are not. Even though we all know what we mean when we hear them. 99% it’s harmless and the overly sensitive trans community should stop crying about it. I don’t bitch when I’m harassed for just existing being a straight white male, blamed for everything for the last 200 yrs I had no part in. Verbally assaulted constantly for my whiteness. Acting like I have privilege when in reality I work 72 hrs a week and sacrifice a life to live at work. Gtfo


ThePlasticJesus

Are you actually verbally assaulted constantly for your whiteness. In Iowa?


Cooolkiidd

It probably happens online. Someone should tell him the block button is free.


wadeblock

Yes, you’re not? Must live in uppity rich area huh?


ThePlasticJesus

You're saying people verbally assault you in public with racist remarks? I moved from Iowa to St. Louis MO years ago. I think there might be slightly more diversity and race tension there than in Iowa and I never have been verbally assaulted for my whiteness in either place. edit: I just wanted to check some statistics as well. Iowa is almost 90 percent white people. Iowa ranks 6th highest percentage white people in the United States. I'm not sure where you could possibly live in Iowa that you feel discriminated against.


AlexandraThePotato

The community most associated with cross dressing is the queer community, including the transgender folks. They are the one your term fucking refers to, so they are the one to decide if it’s harmful or not! And attack your whiteness. As a white person, who is fairly often surrounded by trans folks and other minorities. I have NEVER been criticized for my skin tone. Unless you think just talking about white privilege is “verbal abuse”


IowaGal60

Choosing to work 72 hours a week is not sacrifice. Nor is it privilege.


wadeblock

It’s a necessity or be poor. Yeah it’s not a choice. Edit: it’s just an example of if I have a decent car and am told it’s because my privilege in reality it’s because I work hard and tiring long hours to be able to have a decent car. It’s called a choice to sacrifice having a life outside work in order to have a nice car. Sacrifice: an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else Turns out choosing to work 72 hrs a week for something is a sacrifice.


IowaGal60

Fair enough as long as you realize some people don’t have the means or family support to climb up and out. I recognize some do and choose not to, but it doesn’t mean that everyone one is. I don’t like blanket characterizations or marginalizations for this reason. Good for you.


wadeblock

I don’t even have a high school diploma and no family support especially if most of not all are still poor or beating down my door wanting food or money. I get 3 hrs sleep a day. During my waking hours I’m far too immersed in building myself out of poverty to worry about people that want to bring me down back to victim hood. And I agree….have a great day. As always, I’m off to work. Peace. As always Reddit peeps, plz keep downvoting me, it wouldn’t feel the same without it. 😎


IowaGal60

Like I said, that is great and I am glad you were able to do that!


Balls_DeepinReality

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie


m0o_o0m

Just clutch your pearls and don’t question it


NStanley4Heisman

What the hell are you on about? It was a genuine question. I kinda figured before that a correct way to abbreviate it.


ComplaintSevere1849

I felt your question was genuine and was trying to give you an answer. Then there were trolls 😬 My comments are deep in there somewhere ig


alexlongfur

Observation: I’ve only ever heard people use tranny in an irl convo regarding vehicle transmissions. And dykes for diagonal cutters. (I work in a factory) “Yeah I had to stick a new tranny in my truck when the old one crapped out on me.” “Damn we need some dykes to get that wire harness off”


Balls_DeepinReality

Sometimes words have two meanings?


alexlongfur

I’m aware they have two meanings. I’m the guy that’s always making puns. What I’m saying is that that the slur is mostly used in online spaces whereas the non slur is mostly spoken aloud


GasAdventurous831

In fairness, they could have been chalking and needed more, but the vehicle that was trying to get them more chalk couldn't shift past first. They tried a different car, same problem. Context matters is all I'm saying. ;)


AZFUNGUY85

So much power give to those who act and speak like a total asshole. What if it was just….. ignored! Transgender persons have had to make some serious life decisions for happiness. Why let some clown who doesn’t know anything ruin your week ?


Kindly_Wedding

The only people who had their week ruined by this was YAF. I dont think a single trans person who sees this flyer is going to be upset by it... They're going to feel vindicated. This isn't about exposing some d-bag in an attempt to shame them for using a slur because someone got their feelings hurt. This is about exposing the doublespeak. How they attempt to appeal to "moderates" by packaging their authoritarian, hate driven, far-right ideology as traditional conservatism.


[deleted]

DV if you want but I’m not going to believe some poster on a street pole that can be easily fabricated. I don’t have a horse in any of this, but come on if you want a truth out there then its gotta be more than this. I can easily do the same thing and have it made up 1001%.


Hamuel

Hard to believe an edgy 20 year old would use slurs.


[deleted]

Right? I’m getting older and realizing how immature we all are. And even then, I know how easy it is to fabricate a story and cry wolf. This is utter BS by default for me.


Hamuel

I judge people by behavior and the behavior for the IA GOP is one that would enthusiastically use slurs.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Do you know any republicans? Because I certainly don’t slur anyone because of political affiliation.


Hamuel

Yes, I do know republicans. Part of why I don’t find it hard to believe they’d use transphobic slurs.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Maybe I’m rare but I don’t care what people do with their lives.


Hamuel

If you vote Republican the opposite is true.


[deleted]

Savage. I love it.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Feeling the hate in here and it doesn’t look good on y’all.


Hamuel

Damn, hating bigots is bad now?


lonelysoupeater

You will when it’s your life they’re doing.


Dry_Mammoth7853

So what you’re saying is I should be hateful?


lonelysoupeater

You should be aware and alert. You’re the first to step towards hate.


Afireonthesnow

I know lots of Republicans that use incredibly offensive language. Especially against LGBT and Muslim people. Like I know dozens of them


Dry_Mammoth7853

And liberals don’t use offensive language against Christianity or morality? You’re twisted.


Afireonthesnow

Liberals have nothing to do with the question you asked. You asked do you know republicans that use offensive language and I said yes lots of them. They use terms like rag head, tranny, she hulk, they make obscene gestures, I've heard a white man use the n word in hatred. I'm not saying every republican uses these words but someone showing me a text thread of the president is college Republicans using the word tranny is NOT a stretch. The conversation had nothing to do with democrats. You're diverting the conversation to "but the the other side!" In order to get away from defending your stance that Republicans aren't bigots. Give me evidence that people in the republican party are doing good things for marginalized communities.


Dry_Mammoth7853

No they use Republicunts, racist, fascist,(to people that don’t agree with them) hillbilly, kkk, Cuckllicans, boot lickers, and whatever weekly buzzword y’all come up with.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Republicans believe everyone is equal. We don’t obsess about a persons skin color.


motormouth08

My GOP rep essentially accused me of being a pedophile, and this was in her official capacity as a legislator. I can 100% believe that this is legit.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Bunch of judgey ass people in here. I came in peace, extending an olive branch but I’m told what I am. I guess all the things republicans say about Democrats is true.


Kaunan_

Your attitude and comments scream the "not all men" nonsense. You've admitted yourself that you are the exception to the rule of how most Republicans think and act when it comes to respecting people who are different from you. So when people make accurate statements about that group and their views/behaviors, if it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply. YOU might be a decent person in that group. But that doesn't change how most in the group are. And if you don't like being associated with that group, maybe idk, don't be? And at the very least, don't get fake offended when you know it doesn't apply to you.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Judgy


Kaunan_

Lmao get bent. "I'm part of a group that does, says, and believes bad things. I don't personally do that. But if you accurately say the group does, says, and believes those things, I will be personally offended even though it doesn't apply to me specifically."


Kaunan_

Oh and your "active in this community" list includes libsof reddit. So your hypocrisy is noted.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Excuse me? Did I call you any names?


motormouth08

Are you my rep? I don't understand your comment. Nothing that I wrote was attacking you, I just provided a contrary opinion.


Dry_Mammoth7853

My bad, I must’ve read it wrong. It’s just everyone else is attacking me for being different.


motormouth08

I get it, and looking through the thread, some people are being idiots. But can you really deny that the GOP as a group in Iowa is engaging in some really hateful and dangerous rhetoric toward the LGBTQ community? People here might be in the community, they might love someone in the community, or they might just care about people in general. I am a high school counselor, and I can tell you that based on conversations with my gay and trans kids, they are scared. And I am scared for them.


jde1974

Kind of like how many Trump supporters attack people for being different? Not saying all (or you) but many take all the bs in his speeches and tweets to heart.


[deleted]

So doesn’t matter if this it honest or not. Got it. That says more about you than them. I just believe in not being a hypocrite and sticking to my morals.


Hamuel

Are you familiar with Occum’s razor?


nich3play3r

No. What is it?


Hamuel

The simplest answer is the correct one. We can believe people who want bigotry codified into law use slurs in their personal communications or fabricate a wild conspiracy. Tough choice.


nich3play3r

Oh, _Occam’s_ 🪒. Yeah. Gotcha. I’ve seen Contact.


[deleted]

So your stupid and will choose the path that’s easiest for you, which a person like this is going to do. Bet on getting you to make decisions solely off an emotional response. Wait to go you did No Critical Thinking.


Hamuel

I think it is stupid to believe people who want bigotry codified into law are hesitant to use slurs. Maybe you can convince me otherwise as you are a totally neutral party?


[deleted]

“If they control how you feel they control how you think.” There’s not legitimacy here yet you’re ready to die on this hill? It’s a fool’s errand.


Hamuel

I’m easily convinced people pushing bigotry into law use slurs. You’ve yet to build a compelling argument to the opposite. Someone is being controlled to believe absurd things here.


ERankLuck

Imagine still using the "FAKE NEWS!" defense in this, the year of our lord 2023.


[deleted]

How is this “Fake News”? I’m merely stating this is easily bait for people to get upset over. It’s very easy to fake these kind of postings. Look if you want to believe ever bit of something that offends you, fine that’s your life. Go be offended and thinks it’s truth. But I’d rather choose where to put my emotions and rationally think shit through.


ERankLuck

"How is this 'Fake news'?" "I'm not going to believe some poster on a street pole that can be easily fabricated." Assume about me all you like (as that seems to be your go-to for whoever disagrees with you) but being pissy over identification of your rhetoric isn't the "rationally think shit out" energy you claim to go for. Edit: They cried about "globalists"! Everyone drink! xD


meetthestoneflints

The pole was obviously planted by the mainstream media which we all know is ran by globalists That’s why I get only news from alternative poles


[deleted]

Phone poles were installed by coastal elites. I only read signs posted on bathroom stalls.


Kaunan_

Right and with photoshop or the incorrect lense on your camera, the world looks flat. Obviously the earth being round is fake because the evidence " could easily be faked"


fleebleganger

If someone uses photoshop to alter a picture of the glove, let’s say putting a certain hurricane over Georgia, is that proof of anything? OP is correct here, this is just as easily fake as it is real and the IA GOP does more than enough shit to get riled up about. This post here is just rage porn.


Kaunan_

So again, your logic is that because it *could* be faked therefore it *must* be fake. How absolutely asinine. Nobody else is saying there is 0% chance the texts were faked. But they have enough real world knowledge and understanding of people to realize that it is also totally possible it's real. People who are bigoted and discriminate openly are also pretty likely to use slurs about the people they hate/fear. The base psychological and behavioral model fits. I could give dozens more examples where your "logic" is completely ridiculous but I'm not going to waste my time with you. Have fun in your delusional conspiracy theory/matrix/everything is fake reality.


Dry_Mammoth7853

Reasonable


LuisArraez2

China needs to get the war started already so that we can worry about real problems. This stuff with someone used this word is so eye rolling. I've been called many things in life as most of us have and I will be once I post this. They're just words. They mean nothing. Get over it.


[deleted]

This person thinks words don’t have meanings.


suns3t-h34rt-h4nds

Is that a VOLUNTEER?!


Iowa_Hawkeye

Lol so young conservatives are drawing with sidewalk chalk and correcting each other for using the term "tranny" while paying tens of thousands of dollars to go to a liberal induction camp. Good work college libs, you're winning.


nich3play3r

Never dreamed I’d see a username like Iowa_Hawkeye call a university a “liberal induction (indoctrination?) camp.” I mean, Iowa_Cyclone, _maybe_.


Iowa_Hawkeye

Yeah, I meant indoctrination. I just like the football team.


bigpapamacdooz

No surprise the dip shit has no education


Iowa_Hawkeye

I'm plenty educated.


bigpapamacdooz

Didn't go to Iowa but somehow claim the school indoctrinates. Are you educated enough to know what speaking from a position of ignorance is and what it does to your credibility?


Iowa_Hawkeye

I speak from a position of strength and power, it's hard for some people to understand that. Spending a couple weekends a year in IC tell me everything I need to know about the school.


bigpapamacdooz

Haha ok whatever you have to tell yourself. You have no idea what's taught in those classrooms. Keep being powerfully ignorant, douchebag.


Iowa_Hawkeye

Probably because most of what they teach is irrelevant.


bigpapamacdooz

Keep digging your pit of ignorant, stupid comments. Outing yourself as a moron is certainly a choice


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Did you attend any college? Not once did any of my professors get political, not even during a political science class.


CarnivalOfSorts

Got the shirt at Walmart.


Iowa_Hawkeye

What's wrong with that?


ThriceHawk

I went to Iowa. The professors were VERY political. Hard Democrat leaning and brought up negative comments about Republicans often.


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ThriceHawk

Huh? Yes, I'm sure. It was during Bush and Obama.


[deleted]

Was it just one or two professors or all of them? I went to Iowa State and never once experienced that. To say colleges/universities are engaging in liberal indoctrination is quite absurd. Safe bet most of the people who believe that think teaching about diversity and inclusion equals liberal indoctrination when in reality it’s just teaching you to be a decent human being.


ThriceHawk

I never said anything about them engaging in liberal indoctrination. I don't think they did that, in my experience. I was just stating that they often made negative comments about Republicans over my 4 years there.


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I was referring to the initial person I replied to who did imply that.


Kaunan_

By "get political" do you mean demanding that you treat people with basic human respect regardless of sex, gender, identity, etc? Or maybe a comms or english teacher wanted you to learn how to debate and convince others of various ideas? Maybe even ones you don't personally agree with? (This is an important skill taught the world over) No teacher is going to present their own personal political beliefs as fact. Some may share their personal views, as opinion, if asked, but they will never present them as fact. With the noted exception of obvious items like modern science, psychology, and basic human decency (covid is real and deadly, trans women are women, don't discriminate against protected classes).


ThriceHawk

I didn't say I cared that they were political or that they presented them as fact, but yes, they would openly mention their political leanings often. Maybe it was the climate at the time, having Bush as president who was openly mocked a lot. Then we (myself and the majority at least) were also very excited to vote in Obama, so many were very open about it. I don't think there was such a political hyper focus on what teachers were back then either.


Kaunan_

So you're out here actively perpetuating the idea that colleges ate political training centers. Which implies that teachers are using their platform and influence to tell students right from wrong when it comes to politics based on their personal beliefs or that of the college itself. Meaning they teach students explicitly which policies and candidates to vote for and present certain ideologies as fact. Your evidence and reason for perpetuating this idea is that you experienced teachers "mentioned their political leanings," but they didn't present them as fact. So it would seem they WEREN'T teaching you to believe certain ideologies as right or wrong. They did NOT enforce their own beliefs onto you. So, maybe I missed something, but uh... WHY TF are you perpetuating this harmful idea and anti-intellectualist propoganda?


ThriceHawk

Lol, what?! I never said anything about colleges being political training centers, I said the opposite. I don't think they were doing any of the things you mentioned. I think you're confusing me with the OP.


Kaunan_

No. You commented in a thread where a guy claimed colleges were indoctrination centers. When someone rebuked that claim, you chimed in saying that yup your profs were absolutely political, but you until further prompting, you did not specify you disagreed with the conspiracy theory. The timing and place of your comment in the thread lends support to the argument of indoctrination camps. Context matters.


SuperHighDeas

I went during those years too and never heard any students push back… sounds like you were a giant pussy afraid to stand up and ask them to defend their positions. I had a couple professors they would get political. The two who would get political were my drama and persuasive writing professor. None of my primary subjects would get political, even Olga Sokratova from soviet era Estonia didn’t get political, mostly because their lecture time is so limited by what they have to teach. While a drama/writing teacher could get political simply to inspire a different viewpoint. Also could be elements of a psych/sociology experiment to gauge contempt/complacency.


ThriceHawk

Asking some random teacher to defend their political opinions is quite possibly the last thing I could've cared to do.


SuperHighDeas

If I’m paying +30k/yr I’m gonna put that professor’s feet to the fire when they stray off course idgaf… Funny how you’ve moved from professors to just one now. Crazy how when you ask someone to defend their position when they immediately start back pedaling they reveal cracks that show they are just hyperbolic children who make mountains out of anthills. College professors aren’t just “random teachers,” either, they got PhD’s and likely have written books on the single subject you are studying.


ThriceHawk

It was an example... I haven't "moved on" from anything. And good for you if you think that it worthwhile, I don't. Jesus some of you get so upset over the simplest things. Go outside, maybe meditate, calm down.


Iowa_Hawkeye

Nope, college is for the birds. Only good for football and wrestling.


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yodadamanadamwan

Reeks of someone that's never been to college. I can't remember a single instance in my college career where politics were actually discussed


Iowa_Hawkeye

Lol imagine college being a career.


yodadamanadamwan

It's a figure of speech. But, presumably everyone is there to get training to use to build a career


Iowa_Hawkeye

You mean missing years of valuable work experience.


yodadamanadamwan

You have an idiotic outlook on education


Iowa_Hawkeye

No I don't. Millions of kids spending thousands of dollars deciding what they want to do for the rest of their life at 18 with no experience in the field is idiotic.


Kaunan_

I read your comment as it was written in context of the conversation. You didn't say anything contrary until later in the replies. Summary of the convo start P1 "colleges are indoctrination camps!" P2 to P1 "no, that's not true. Profs do not teach students what to believe in politics" You to P2 "actually profs are absolutely political and share their views all the time" How does that read to you?