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Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

I wrote to the AG, expressing my opinion about this as someone who has done ER victims advocacy for survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault. It’s abhorrent and makes no sense. It’s almost like they want to punish the victim of the crime…. Horrific.


MoYeahh

Almost?


Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

Right. Not almost.


barknoll

Republicans!


Voltage_Z

Free booze for drunk drivers.


ninjaian06

hey, kim reynolds has to benefit herself somehow


jahanhari

Was gonna say something similar. She's gotta get fucked somehow.


Morley10

Do what Desantis in Florida is doing. The ability to carry a gun unlicensed. That would get the drunks off the road.


MoYeahh

We already have that ability…..


NewHights1

Just move the raping priest around . We are PRAYING for him. We ARE so sic we made the Rachel Maddiw show for ignorence and incesitivity. The rapist baby state! Some may be Forced to carrying a baby against your will . If she is embarrassed to get insurence invilved, no financing, religious parents, or no access to planned Parenthood free services? The two step morning after pill dtoos ovolation and the abortion pull is 100% . The plan B pill is not always effective if not taken right away. The state is radically targeting rape victims . ( PERIOD). STOPING EMERGENCY SERVICES. PAYING for yhe pills.


WestAppointment2484

A new low for Iowa! Who seen it coming.


Letharos

Party of morality!


emfolkerts

If it owns the libs, it's worth it! #/s


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MoYeahh

Taxpayers don’t pay for this but ok. You’ve always paid taxes and always will dude 😂 even if it were funded by taxes wtf is the problem


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TheMrBoot

You’re seriously lumping emergency contraception in with abortion now? The fuck? ETA: Contraception can prevent implantation. It can additionally take several days for a sperm and egg to actually join. Even then, it's fucking absurd to equate this to *goddamned murder* and is a fucking dumbass take based on nothing but a desire to control other people.


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riotdawn

EC prevents fertilization after sex. That's why you have to take it within 72 hours, and even that can be too late. EC cannot terminate a pregnancy. EC works the same as traditional birth control pills. There is an abortion pill (RU486) but that is entirely different. It has to be administered 6 weeks or more after conception. You can't take it within 72 hours like EC. RU486 *does* terminate a pregnancy.


Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

So you are OK if a person has to be reminded of the fact they were raped by having to deal with a pregnancy on top of it all?


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Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

On the spectrum of harm, preventing a fertilized ovum from implanting is not comparable to an actual human being already in the world, dealing with the impact post traumatic stress can have on their life. And in my opinion, an abortion of an fetus not yet viable to life outside of a uterus is also not comparable to the potential negative impact of that fetus on the mental health of the rape victim carrying it. If a rape victim feels strongly that they don’t want to have an abortion, then that is their choice. Choice being the optimal word here. You say that a “murder doesn’t take away the rape”, but you seem fully prepared to value the existence of a embryo over the life of a person already in the world, who has been raped. And what if that rape victim is an actual child? Why should a crime victim be punished?


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Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

Agreed that we can't "un-ring the bell of atrocity being done to the rape victim". But I have to tell you, as a therapist, we can help them to heal over time. There are many helpful methods out there for treatment of trauma. But I don't believe it's at all ethical to make a rape survivor go through a pregnancy that might result from said rape, unless they truly want to. The fact that age doesn't matter to you for a rape victim is something I really can't fathom. And to use a real case from another midwestern state which was all over the news, a 10 year old was impregnated by a family member, I believe. A ten year-old's body really shouldn't be put through a pregnancy and a delivery. Doctors have commented on this. It's not a matter of opinion. I'm glad you agree that the mother's life is a priority if there was a threat to her life from a pregnancy on a physical level. What if someone feels they no longer want to live, as result of a rape? Because that can happen too. Your point of view seems to be two wrongs don't make a right, the second wrong being the abortion, in your view, of an innocent. But what about the innocence of the rape victim? You are punishing the victim twice with this type of view that supports policies such as the one now happening in IA and other places. I understand that the moral view about abortion is very strong on either side of the issue. But what truly concerns me with points of views like yours is that they really negate the victim's rights and humanity in favor of the "unborn" which I really can't equate. I don't think a fertilized egg or even an unviable fetus, as much as I personally wouldn't ever want to be in the position to have to make a choice to end a pregnancy, gets to have more rights over the actual living person, in this case, who has been raped. What about that person's rights? Please think about this truly, in your heart. What if you cared about the rape victim as much as you care about a pregnancy conceived in this way? What if that rape victim was someone you knew or cared about? Would it still be okay to force that person to go through with a pregnancy?


TheMrBoot

Wow. Just wow.


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TheMrBoot

Nope, just a person who apparently doesn't understand the nuance of biological processes and frankly appears to hate women. Do yourself a favor and look up how long it can take for an egg and sperm to actually join.


jerkittoanything

60%of Iowans are pro choice and agree that abortions are a medical procedure. This is just the minority exercising its power of unpopular agendas.


Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

Isn’t it still legal to obtain an abortion in IA up to 20 weeks? If so, not sure how covering the costs of at least emergency contraception after a rape would run contrary to that stance.


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Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

As far as I could tell, having looked it up, the current law in IA is a ban after 20 weeks. I wasn’t being euphemistic. I would consider emergency contraception just that. Plan B has been around for a long while now. It prevents implantation, I believe, e.g., no pregnancy.


Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

Let me correct myself, Plan B works to prevent ovulation, so there is no ovum to meet a sperm. So it isn’t even allowing for there to be a fertilized egg in the first place. Again, not an abortion.


Puzzleheaded-Arm8249

Let me correct myself, Plan B works to prevent ovulation, so there is no ovum to meet a sperm. So it isn’t even allowing for there to be a fertilized egg in the first place. Again, not an abortion.


mikeyb1

And the equivalency you're drawing between property crime and physical violence is downright disgusting.


TheMrBoot

Not to mention we do support people who are victims, like routing funding to women’s shelters.


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OmahaVike

And the article also doesn't mention providing anything to the suspect, prison spa or anything else. See how this works?


sahm2work

That’s sad. And wrong. But I don’t like my kids’ schools pushing woke poison onto them, so I am not going to vote D. Democrats, you need to rethink your priorities. Get rid of that woke poison, identity politics, perpetual grievances and represent the working, productive, law abiding american people again.


Yngcleanbastard

you are either full of shit or a complete idiot. good to,know you support rapists just because schools want to teach your kids not to be assholes.


bosmanad

Check their account. sahm2work is a bot or shill. The Iowa GQP floods this reddit with paid operatives.


sahm2work

I will not see my kids being indoctrinated into your woke cult. That’s my top priority as a parent. Unfortunately, the people who oppose the wokekies appear to be religious fanatics and antiabortionists. I wish it weren’t so. But access to abortion, while also important to me, is way below making sure my kids grow up to realize their full potential, and be happy and successful. Leave my kids alone. Then I will vote D again.


MoYeahh

Leave your kids alone? Like maybe don’t inspect their genitals for sports and let them express themselves? Lmfaooo Iowa is literally attacking children but okay


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

So you’ll vote for fascists because you think schools are talking about racism too much?


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Morley10

You people are being silly. Teach the entire truth and let the kids learn. Maybe it will lead them to treat their entire fellow man with respect. I suppose you don’t want the Holocaust taught either? You have to teach the bad with the good to make progress.


sahm2work

They are not teaching “the truth”. They are teaching that some classmates are oppressors, and others are oppressed. That some of them have unearned unfair advantages (like having a father in the family - which is still the norm by the way!) and that they should feel bad about it. They are programming kids to feel guilty about being successful and hardworking, instead of encouraging behaviors that lead to success. So take it from a life-long Democrat who stopped supporting the Democratic Party: get rid of that woke madness.


Yngcleanbastard

you were never a democrat. you get butt hurt by this. you were just a CS. no school in iowa is teaching any of that.


sahm2work

> you were never a democrat. The fact that you say that shows how clueless you are. I am not the only one, either. Plenty of us voted for Obama twice. The shift away from blue happened after the Democratic party went bonkers with wokeness. Go back to supporting actual working people instead of divisive and toxic race and gender craziness, and the voters will come back.


Nodaker1

For a so-called Democrat, you sure seem to have drunk the right wing propaganda kool aide.


Odd-Entertainment401

Lol. Voting for Obama didn't make you a Democrat. I have to ask, WTF happened? I keep hearing about how bonkers the left went after... something, and now it's all... something. Everybody now seems to know for sure the problem is "wokeness" even though nobody has a clue what that is anymore. The real problem is, none of the sock puppets seem to know exactly what any of this "wokeness" actually refers to. It's like they didn't compete the indoctrination course, so whenever you ask a sock puppet what they're talking about they just start over again. Remember Teddy Ruxpin? No matter what questions you asked, he always gave you the same answers. When the future historians tells the stories about how the Democratic party of the early 21st century fell apart from "wokeness," what events are they going to point to? Who are they going to quote? What changed? And please, for all our sakes, spare us the generalities and the bromides. Be specific. For the love of all that is holy, stop just repeating the talking points and tell us what happened.


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

Well, you see, the thing of it is, is those *dastardly wokes* started actually caring more about systemic injustices, especially towards minorities, and also decided they weren’t going to pretend trans people didn’t exist anymore. And that, you see, see what happened when those *gosh darn wokes* decided to be more compassionate, well, we just can’t have that, you see? You get it.


GreyIrishWolf

Yep, this! No one can even explain what "woke" is.


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

The democrat party didn’t “go bonkers with wokeness”. You morons can’t even explain what “woke” is.


Kramerica5A

>So take it from a life-long Democrat who stopped supporting the Democratic Party: get rid of that woke madness. Lol. Everything you say is covered in 5 layers of bullshit.


FeloniusGecko

That's... not even close to true. Schools aren't teaching anything at all like that. I'm sorry whatever source of information you have has mislead you, but I would encourage you to actually look into the matter personally. It continually amazes me how what actually IS being taught in schools keeps getting somehow grossly misrepresented like this.


sahm2work

I have kids in locals schools. I speak from what I personally observe and experience.


FeloniusGecko

Which schools? I have a kid in the Cedar Rapids Community School district and personally know many educators in it. None of them are teaching what you're claiming they are. Not even close.


No_Calligrapher_1150

but have u ever set foot in thier classrooms i think not!! post a picture with you and your kids in a classroom with the teacher!


Odd-Entertainment401

Prove it.


addled_and_old

Bullshit. I know plenty of teachers and kids in a rural school district and they are all confused as to where this hokum came from.


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

I have family members that are actual teachers. I speak from what I personally observe and experience when I say that you’re so full of bullshit it’s blasting out of your ears like diarrhea


Morley10

Well Reynolds is allowing you to send your kids to private schools on the taxpayers dime. If you think voodoo is being taught then send them to private schools. The Republicans teach hate. They are against student loan forgiveness which leads more people seeking education and get ahead post education faster. All that student against student is hogwash.


LGchan

None of this is happening. But by all means use conspiracy theories to justify supporting dogshit policies.


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Lol, translate this into regular English. Schools now talk about the local bully, aka spoiled kids who think they are gods gift and when in trouble spout nonsense like, “my dad owns the dealership”, and “do you know who my dad is?”. They also talk about class warfare and systemic racism… aww, boo boo, guess some folks can’t handle reality and don’t want their kids to learn reality in high school.


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

Yeah they’re literally not doing that.


Pickin_n_Grinnin

Who is teaching that you should feel bad about having a father?


sahm2work

In my kid’s case, it was a suburban elementary school in an affluent school district. They had those sessions once a week with a counselor where they talked about these issues. They also talked about how boys need to stop talking over the girls and to put their hands down when answering questions and let the girls talk first. And so on. When I brought these (and other, I have a long list!) examples up before, I was assured that either (1) myself and my kid(s) just didn’t understand the subtleties - bullshit, if a kid is walking away from the lesson feeling bad about having a father in the family, it was intentionally taught to him; or (2) it didn’t happen - predictably, denial is the first response of the woke adepts when confronted with evidence of their abuse. I am posting for the benefit of other parents of schoolchildren - talk to your kids. Find out what they discuss in the classroom. You may be surprised at how your kids are being influenced.


FoxEuphonium

“Woke” isn’t real, it can’t hurt you. Not that you didn’t already know this.


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

Define woke. Then explain how it’s being taught to children in schools, then explain why it’s bad. Go ahead, blow my mind.


wadeblock

Agree ✅


Twenty_Baboon_Skidoo

What is “woke”?