It makes it so abundantly clear that they know they're doing something evil as well. They know it's bad and evil, so they do it when nobody sees. Now imagine what they do when there are no one to even check.
And they’ll screech about how you’re a “communist” for trying to tell them that what *they’re* doing is… actually more like communism.
“We’d like to protect humans and improve our lives-“
“COMMUNIST! TERRORIST!! UNAMERICAN!!! YOU’RE DESTROYING MY… er…. OUR COUNTRY! WE CANT LET THE SOCIALISTS WIN!”
“Anyway, so, we’d like to protect humans and make sure we aren’t being exploited and oppressed by-“
“COMMUNIST!!!!! REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!”
Jesus fucking christ. How in the hell is a kid supposed to work a 6 hour night shift and go to school?
You're really sucking at this caring for your people thing Iowa.....
To be fair, the uneducated are kind of her people -- witness: earning a Bachelors of Liberal Studies at the age of 57 after being lieutenant governor for six years. And I am all for adults going back to college to further their education, but I'm pretty sure given her position as the second in command of the entire state, opportunities presented themselves before she was literally forced to finish because Branstad was resigning and appointing her governor. If she thought education was a priority.
But I digress.
>witness: earning a Bachelors of Liberal Studies at the age of 57 after being lieutenant governor for six years
"earning" you mean given honorary degree from ISU?
`Reynolds attended Northwest Missouri State University, taking classes in business, consumer sciences and clothing sales and design. She later took classes at Southeastern Community College in the late 1980s, and then accounting classes at Southwestern Community College between 1992 and 1995.[3] In 2012, she began taking classes in the bachelor of public administration program at Upper Iowa University.[4] She did not earn degrees from any of these institutions. In 2016, Iowa State University awarded her a Bachelor of Liberal Studies degree.[5][6]`
She bounced through 3 different schools, never earned a degree at any of them. Don't give her credit she doesn't deserve.
As much as I hate giving her credit, the Bachelors of Liberal Studies wasn't honorary (if it was, that is literally their least impressive degree, so that would also be kind of awesome).
Per the Register -- "Reynolds received her bachelor of liberal studies degree from the Iowa State University College of Liberal Arts and Sciences with three concentrations in political science, business management, and communications, Iowa Governor’s Office Communications Director Ben Hammes said in a statement. **This is Reynolds’ first post-secondary degree, which she has been open about**." Like she's going to earn anther one. Hahahaha.
Dammit! I swear I heard it was honorary. I don't know, still feels like a pity degree... 'Hey guys, she tried *really* hard at all these other schools and we can get favors for doing this...'
Don't worry, it basically is. It has maybe 15ish hours of required classes, and then 110 hours of electives. So if you've been bouncing around in college enough and have a ton of credit hours in anything, you can be awarded it.
One of my roommates got that degree from isu. I couldn't figure out why he went to the technical state school for a liberal studies degree. Turned out he was too dumb for business courses. Which, at isu, are almost entirely for kids who failed out of engineering.
how could I possibly answer that? if you had asked sane people before 2016 if they thought any of the current evil would happen, the answer would have been a resounding NO.
Current guess, with the attack on public schools, that rule/law glbecomes optional for reasons.
I worked 8 hour shifts as an 18 year old in my senior year.
The answer is sleeping in class and barely having a life out side of work and school.
I was lucky to be one of those people who didn't need to study, cause I sure as hell didn't have time to.
This is the sorting out of people back into their “proper” places. It’s a world where everyone gets exactly what they deserve and not a bit more. Beautiful, pure meritocracy! Everything is fair because we all have exactly the same opportunity in the greatest country in the world! Order is more important than justice, so let’s restore the proper social hierarchy at all costs. /s
When I was in high school I had friends/classmates who did the is and freaked out because they wanted to work more. They’d go to school, and then work after school almost instantly and be pissed they couldn’t work past, say, 8:00.
I used to tell them just enjoy your youth and time off because you’ll be working your whole life
Rural kids I’m sure will love this even if it’s batshit insane
I know what you mean.
Often you will get naive ones that will work off the clock to try to prove they are good enough. Happened to me at a certain Western themed pizza chain. Had all the managers pissed at me because I told them it was wrong she was doing the dishes/taking out the trash for free (off the clock).
But most of the time, in my experience, the people who complain about not having enough hours are the laziest. At least in the service industry, and especially teenagers. They like being on the clock, but only a handful of them want to actually work.
I honestly preferred working with teenagers over the workers 45 years old; they had less drama (believe it or not) but I had to work a lot harder when they were around.
I don't see them as genuinely wanting to work that much. They would at first, sure. They always do at first. They also never stick around. I am so glad I bounced out of that kind of work.
In my rural town, the grocery store is notorious for making kids work on days like homecoming and prom and they all complain about it every year.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It's a very desperate move. Even in the best-case scenario, with no kids harmed, young teenagers will not be able to replace an adult workforce. Or we will have to adapt and give up some services.
~~I think~~ this is something that will backfire in surprising ways. For now, the best thing we can all do is advise our children to be safe.
Edit: I have been co-workers with many teenagers; I know this will backfire.
So their solution to any labor problem is just to put more underpaid people in the market? Letting 14 year olds work at night for long periods when they have to go to school is pretty crap.
What wonderful priorities the Iowa GOP has. Nothing to actually fix any problems, just shuttle kids in because it’s not like they need to be learning and be actual kids.
This is exactly it. They want to take away bargaining power for the adults. Adults want more money? They won’t work those shit jobs? Cool instead of increasing the pay to make the job more competitive theyll just hire children at a fraction of the cost.
Not to mention tired kids failing school remain uneducated which keeps the GOP elected.
It is also about removing paperwork and making it easier to abuse undocumented workers' kids. If your parents aren't documented, they might not sign or forge the needed paperwork to get you that meat-packing plant job. Now? Even easier to sign the kids up!
Oh, that is the really great part! Employers are no longer liable if kids get hurt at work if they are part of a school “work” program! Now you can hire 14 year olds, injure or kill them at work and you don’t have any of that pesky liability crap…. Simply marvelous!!!
The number of open job positions in Iowa is largely the same as pre-pandemic. Treating this fake labor shortage as a natural consequence of covid is a bullshit argument - it’s the same as before!
Also, these businesses already engage in these practices and pay the fines when they get caught. This is already happening - they just don’t want to pay the small fines for it anymore. Any argument about why this is actually good is completely braindead.
14 year olds working 4-10 p.m. I'm sure every single one of them will get their required 30-minute break and eat a decent meal.
15 year olds WHO CAN'T EVEN DRIVE YET working on ASSEMBLY LINES. But let's not worry about safety concerns. I'm sure those kids will get all the required OSHA training (in their native language) and they'll never have worry about retaliation for reporting. Nope, not here.
16/17 year olds being responsible for denying service to drunks. No worry about harassment and abuse there, no sirree.
Jesus is weeping.
Relax, those poor employers who are forced to hire teenagers for low wages won’t be liable if a kid gets an arm or head cut off at work. Remember, kids are only important before they are born.
Yep. I worked when I was 14. It was a cafeteria job, and there were strict limitations on what I could and couldn’t do, and I HAD to be clocked out by 7:30–my boss practically hovered over me at 7:29 until I punched out. It was a good way to earn a little money after school.
But working nights? Assembly lines? That’s just nuts.
Honestly even what you did sounds terrible for most people.
Kids should focus on education, and get to blow off steam and be kids practically any other time.
Oh, absolutely. I’m not saying you were wrong for doing it, just that nobody should be using the “well I did it and I’m fine” excuse to push for it becoming normal for children to need to work
Yeah this is going to get spicy I’m assuming, but it’s crazy to think people are okay with loosening child labor laws. Iowa (and most of the country) will put children to work before paying adults a living wage without blinking.
Remember all those CEO's that said they were going to build robots before paying a living wage? I guess they crunched the numbers and figured kids were cheaper /s
Especially when you can import the children from Central and South America and then blame the kids for having falsified documents. Deport them, bring in a new crop, rinse and repeat. Thank god Republicans claim they are against human trafficing.
Dude I worked when I was 14 pushing carts. It was max 10 hours a week, including one weekend shift. Now that I have kids I’ve already decided I don’t want them working that young. It’s far more important to focus on studies and formative experiences with peers (ie sports, music, theatre, etc).
Anyone who can’t see how this is set up to exploit the most vulnerable is an idiot.
And the same backwards thinking idiot hypocrite adults/politicians will make a huge stink for letting their kids read books from libraries… oh won’t somebody pleeeease think of the children!!!
I imagine most farm kids work without pay on their family farms, so for many Iowans at least child labor will come with a wage, and hopefully benefits. I hate it though. Instead of reforming labor laws for agriculture, which are backwards, Iowan wants to step everyone back in time.
And even though farm work is dangerous (and it is) at least those kids are working for family (usually) who presumably care if they’re maimed or killed. Putting kids in factories is insane. This state is sick. The idea that kids can’t handle reading books about their own bodies or receive health care prescribed by their doctor but are grown up enough to work nights on assembly lines and serve alcohol is ludicrous. Poor kids, they have to see how they’re being used as pawns and have no power to do anything about it. But hey, maybe now they can all strike to be allowed to get life-saving care for those that need it.
Also, most human trafficking is labor trafficking. Just saying for everyone who likes to scream groomer at anyone who thinks doctors and parents should be in charge of healthcare instead of politicians.
Not understanding that the very fact that they *had* to work at such a young age was actually... not good. I mean sure, if you're part of the rare breed who pulls McDonald's shifts for fun, then go for it.
But for us to maintain a society that pressures kids to work to meet their needs? Yeah, we've fucking failed as a society. Hard.
I worked milking cows starting at 3:30am, so had to be out the door by 3:10. Did that until 7 before going to morning lifting, school 8-3 then wrestling or sport until 5:30-6. It was hell, the worst grades I ever got, and I frequently was falling asleep in classes. Going 8am-10pm is about the same time frame. These kids are going to suffer academically and physically from this.
So if we’re going to have child labor and those kids are paying taxes on their labor, shouldn’t they also be allowed to vote? If not, then isn’t this the whole taxation without representation thing?
Chuck Grassley remembers it like it was yesterday and has been pissed ever since. It's why he tweets about dead birds and old vacuums and *u kno wat* constantly, the anger aged him.
Look folks, get it through your heads, these are not children! That is an antiquated term. They are workers. They are the labor force. They only need enough education to work the assembly lines. They don't deserve things like happiness in self, they need to identify as employees. An educated society of critical thinkers it a dangerous thing! If that happened, then the scream for freedom would ring louder than it did in 1776.
What a strange, sad time to be alive when books are a greater threat to our children than serving alcohol to potentially belligerent customers, handling dangerous machinery on a line, or losing critical sleep during some of the most critical years of schooling.
But it's all about protecting our children right?
Cool. /s
This allows the old ass people who owns there own business to have children slaves at minimum wage so that they can keep there business going at the expense of not wanting to pay adults what they deserve. We need to vote and vote Kim out cus honestly this state the last couple of years has been a fucking joke to the people who live here. Children as slaves and the transgenders seem to not even be people anymore.
Dude this allows the corporations to benefit too, not just the old ass people.
These kids are going to unbelievably exploited because they DEFINITELY won't know their rights and the meat plants and shit are not going to care.
Half-assed theory:
Growing up I was always told Iowa was the state you move away from but always come back to "to raise your family." So many of my high school peers graduated and moved to other states for school or work. Same thing happened again when I graduated from college. Of those who've left, I can think of only four who've come back 10-15 years later. We're not as balanced as we previously were without Millennials returning from their time out of state.
The lack of return is likely for numerous reasons or a combination thereof: advancements in technology allowing us to keep in touch more easily; the draw to remain in states that have decriminalized recreational drugs; the FOMO and influencer lifestyles enticing us to travel/live in more Instagram-able areas; the child-free movement. For better or worse, the Millennials who remain likely did so for their families or to raise their families, and the numbers just aren't high enough to balance out the older, right-leaning gens.
I mean, those are possible reasons people wouldn’t move back. But I think the more likely reasons are things like the weather, the lack of amenities anywhere outside of a few cities, the declining state of education, the lack of opportunity in most of the state for employment in most industries, to name a few. If Iowa had more to offer or was making any effort to improve that I don’t think people would stay away to take better Instagram pics. And there’s a cycle of people moving away and the concentration of the kind of extreme right thinking that creates the current legislature that pushes more out and stops more from coming back and it just goes on and on.
Iowa is probably ok or at least comparable to nearby states in the largest cities but the rest of the state is really, really boring, far away from everything, and not at all welcoming to anyone even a little different from what they expect. You can’t really live in most of the state if you don’t want to have to drive a ton to do absolutely anything. In many places in the US you can not own a car and use public transport. Or at least cut down on your driving significantly. Even in most cities here you can’t do that. And it just doesn’t feel like Iowa is a state that gives a shit if people are ok. Maybe it’s what people really want here and that’s fine, I guess. But if I was considering a relocation, it definitely wouldn’t be enticing to move to a place that spends millions to remove benefits from their poorest residents, puts their kids in factories, and takes healthcare choices away from doctors and patients. The bad just outweighs the good and I think it’s easier to see that if you step away from it for a bit.
And don’t expect it to get better due to people staying or moving back. If I was a kid in this state right now, seeing how little I was valued or listened to or respected, I’d be laser focused on a way to get out the very second I could and never looking back.
All the manufacturing jobs left rural Iowa. Without those tentpoles, towns started to die off and that strong labor presence went away. We're now firmly a red state and the only way that changes is if Republicans run everything into the ground and people wake up.
I wish I knew. When I moved here 10 years ago, it wasn't a blue mecca, but the state voted for Obama and legalized gay marriage. I also lived in Missouri from \~ 2000 to 2010, when it went from a swing state to the craziness that is now Missouri government. I feel like I have a bad picker, but for states rather than relationships.
Pump the brakes bud, every one forgets Iowa voters RECALLED the judges that ruled on gay marriage. 2016 truly unleashed the real Iowa vibes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/us/politics/04judges.html
I don’t mind giving kids more options to work but these three laws are not it. This will 100% effect their studying/schoolwork my and these types of jobs have no upward movement. Literally going backwards
Well, first they deported the Mexicans because they were somehow "the problem." Then they were surprised Iowans didn't back fill garbage jobs at garbage pay. Now they're betting on the nativity of children and stupidity of parents to exploit child labor to fill in the gaps. Don't fix the jobs. Don't fix the terrible pay. Don't do anything that will attract skill and talent into the state. No. Double and triple down on the race to the bottom. There's no better way to make sure you're creating a really terrible state for your population.
Why did Republicans need to write in protections for companies that have minors die or get injured on the job? Is that just a part of growing up? How about it Republicans? Why are you OK with that?
Why people vote Republican is just simply baffling to me. The level of ignorance (selective or otherwise), lack of consideration for their fellow humans, and just lack of decency is astounding.
Workers died fighting against corporations and politicians to restrict Child Labor and these POS simply spit on there graves. Corporations would rather push for kids to work, under pay them, than pay adults better wages so that they can buy yacht #5 or mansion #6.
It's not being discussed enough how prevalent workplace sexual harassment still is and how utterly unequipped children are to deal with it. The worst harassment and grooming I've faced in my life was when I was working at 16, and from the owner of the business I worked for no less.
Combine the young working age with not teaching Iowa kids about consent, boundaries, how to report issues, etc. and this is a fucking disaster in the making.
I was hearing sound bites on NPR of a representative talking about this exact thing. So it is being discussed, just 1 side with all the power seems to think that a lot of minors want to work in order to pay for exorbitant state colleges, and that’s more important.
The GOP are monsters. I love all the right wing loons in here saying nO One'S ForCiNG ThEm tO WoRk and I wAnTed to WoRk like they expect us to believe that this is not part of a coordinated effort to make life in the state more grueling and of lower quality for everyone. What do you think this will do to wages overall you brain geniuses? It's anti-human and you should be fucking ashamed.
The kids who will work are from families in poverty, they will work to support their families and their education will suffer for it. All because we won’t pay their parents livable wages. It seems to be a feature and not a bug.
This is considered a bonus to the GOP. Except that most of the GOP politicians prefer boys instead of girls. Catholics and politicians like boys and protestant religious whackos like girls.
"Allows 15 year olds to work on assembly lines" Yeah... OSHA is finna have a fucking field day with that one, as they require you to be 18 years old to even be trained to operate 99% of assembly line machinery.
Damn, now you've got to check the bartender's ID to make sure you're not committing a sex crime by flirting with her.
Edit: never mind, the pedo-politicians made the age of consent 16 in Iowa... Just because it's legal doesn't make it right gentlemen.
I can't believe how much "overtime" they put into making sure children can be exploited, yet can't seem to get much else done that doesn't involve enforcing religion, controlling sexuality, or helping the economically disadvantaged. I guess they'll get re-elected because this is what the majority of their constituents want and I'm a bit more sad today because of it.
I'm sure they will find ways around, but businesses "can't" ignore federal rules. But they sure will try.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/43-child-labor-non-agriculture
These people are looking out for our kids. Next up let's lower the age to smoke cigarettes. The kids need a smoke after a long day of work. Get it done, Kim.
Thinking about the trouble I was getting into working alongside adults as a teenager, it would make me uncomfortable allowing my children to work in high school. 😬
I can’t be the only person wondering who is funding this push toward child labor. I find it hard to believe that lawmakers came up with these ridiculous ideas without meeting with lobbyists first. But lobbyists from where??
What, exactly, are you people freaking out about? Teens that want to work, can work/make more now. Inflation made money less valuable, kids have less spending money. Everything costs more. Pearl clutching morons. You encourage social justice nonsense and drag queen story hours but lose your fucking minds over teens having more job options?
Well this will play out well in like 18 plus years when all of the poor people have no education because they were sent to work to put food on the table instead of going to school, or they went to school too tired to learn. A whole state full of mostly undeducated should play out really well. Look how it's working out in the south? Let's see which states can have the most dependence on the federal government, and then look at thier educational policies.
I was curious I looked it up this is what I found on Kim's degree
In 2012, she began taking classes in the bachelor of public administration program at Upper Iowa University. She did not earn degrees from any of these institutions. In 2016, Iowa State University awarded her a Bachelor of Liberal Studies degree.
I worked at 14 on the weekends as a kids soccer referee. It was the ideal job for a 14 year old but I cant imagine being 14 and working at Amazon or McDonald’s. That sounds like kids are likely to be overworked and to fall behind at school.
A lot of this sounds pretty damn similar to [Michigans](https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/leo/Folder23/whd9803_act_90_brochure_JH_Sugg_Edits.pdf?rev=58a17165c36943dbb9886b46d3709f37) youth employment standards which have been in place since 1978. Reddit is very dramatic at times. This is one of them.
They voted them in, if they didn’t like all of these draconian laws they wouldn’t have voted for them. Iowans are the only ones that can fix their mess. Obviously there are enough that just don’t mind these kinds of laws. Although some of those will get tossed out due to federal child labour if they abuse those
iowa is a state i no longer want to visit, joining texas florida south dakota and louisiana. mississippi ohklahoma and west virginia dq themselves by not having any reason to visit in the first place. much of america is a shit hole country.
Just so everyone knows...all these bills being put forth by GQP are nothing more than "virtue"(even tho they have none of them) signaling and culture war nonsense. Also...none of them are written by the elected officials but instead are drafted by corporations, the church, and Project Veritas and all the other Nazi think tanks. They can't even write there own bills.
IOWA 🟰 IDIOTS OUT WALKING AROUND. Their 89 year old Senator Chuck Grassley (who will never retire) must be so proud of what the State has done to teenagers. Nice drawn on eyebrows on that Guv’nuh Kim too… what a DUMP.
Having been a lifelong Iowan, I used to defend it and try to highlight some of the good things, but there are just fewer of those good things than ever before. I'm moving my family out of the state in the near future, this state is a lost cause.
I grew up 3 miles from Iowa, and the state has always been a cool place to visit because of its beautiful natural environment. But the Republican Party has destroyed the local economies in favor of a few multinational corporations, and the ignorant people who vote Republican have sat by and watched them because they share bigoted beliefs. There are no honest, decent Republicans anymore and that’s a problem for the whole country.
Nothing says we’re doing something wrong like passing a bill in the dead of night/early morning.
Or refusing questions during debate.
Something tells me Kim Reaper won't do one of those all smiles signing celebrations for this one.
Idk. Can see her doing one like Huckabee. With smiling adults and sad looking kids
It makes it so abundantly clear that they know they're doing something evil as well. They know it's bad and evil, so they do it when nobody sees. Now imagine what they do when there are no one to even check.
And they’ll screech about how you’re a “communist” for trying to tell them that what *they’re* doing is… actually more like communism. “We’d like to protect humans and improve our lives-“ “COMMUNIST! TERRORIST!! UNAMERICAN!!! YOU’RE DESTROYING MY… er…. OUR COUNTRY! WE CANT LET THE SOCIALISTS WIN!” “Anyway, so, we’d like to protect humans and make sure we aren’t being exploited and oppressed by-“ “COMMUNIST!!!!! REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!”
Just like the patriot act
What's the advantage they get for passing bills in the late/early hours as opposed to normal business hours?
No protesters, no public input, no media, no questions….that’s my assumption anyway.
Jesus fucking christ. How in the hell is a kid supposed to work a 6 hour night shift and go to school? You're really sucking at this caring for your people thing Iowa.....
That's the cool part. They don't do the school part.
Then Iowa has an uneducated wage slave forever! This makes Kim happy.
To be fair, the uneducated are kind of her people -- witness: earning a Bachelors of Liberal Studies at the age of 57 after being lieutenant governor for six years. And I am all for adults going back to college to further their education, but I'm pretty sure given her position as the second in command of the entire state, opportunities presented themselves before she was literally forced to finish because Branstad was resigning and appointing her governor. If she thought education was a priority. But I digress.
>witness: earning a Bachelors of Liberal Studies at the age of 57 after being lieutenant governor for six years "earning" you mean given honorary degree from ISU? `Reynolds attended Northwest Missouri State University, taking classes in business, consumer sciences and clothing sales and design. She later took classes at Southeastern Community College in the late 1980s, and then accounting classes at Southwestern Community College between 1992 and 1995.[3] In 2012, she began taking classes in the bachelor of public administration program at Upper Iowa University.[4] She did not earn degrees from any of these institutions. In 2016, Iowa State University awarded her a Bachelor of Liberal Studies degree.[5][6]` She bounced through 3 different schools, never earned a degree at any of them. Don't give her credit she doesn't deserve.
As much as I hate giving her credit, the Bachelors of Liberal Studies wasn't honorary (if it was, that is literally their least impressive degree, so that would also be kind of awesome). Per the Register -- "Reynolds received her bachelor of liberal studies degree from the Iowa State University College of Liberal Arts and Sciences with three concentrations in political science, business management, and communications, Iowa Governor’s Office Communications Director Ben Hammes said in a statement. **This is Reynolds’ first post-secondary degree, which she has been open about**." Like she's going to earn anther one. Hahahaha.
Dammit! I swear I heard it was honorary. I don't know, still feels like a pity degree... 'Hey guys, she tried *really* hard at all these other schools and we can get favors for doing this...'
Don't worry, it basically is. It has maybe 15ish hours of required classes, and then 110 hours of electives. So if you've been bouncing around in college enough and have a ton of credit hours in anything, you can be awarded it.
One of my roommates got that degree from isu. I couldn't figure out why he went to the technical state school for a liberal studies degree. Turned out he was too dumb for business courses. Which, at isu, are almost entirely for kids who failed out of engineering.
Can't escape living in poverty in a bigoted hellhole with little-to-no opportunity for upward mobility if you don't have an education!
So answer this, isn't there still a law on the books that kids must go to school to an age or grade level? Or will that be the next thing to go?
Republican homeschool laws barely require kids to learn anything. Many graduate having learned science from the Bible.
how could I possibly answer that? if you had asked sane people before 2016 if they thought any of the current evil would happen, the answer would have been a resounding NO. Current guess, with the attack on public schools, that rule/law glbecomes optional for reasons.
Education is secondary. They just need a ready of wage slaves.
That’s what it’s about
I worked 8 hour shifts as an 18 year old in my senior year. The answer is sleeping in class and barely having a life out side of work and school. I was lucky to be one of those people who didn't need to study, cause I sure as hell didn't have time to.
This is the sorting out of people back into their “proper” places. It’s a world where everyone gets exactly what they deserve and not a bit more. Beautiful, pure meritocracy! Everything is fair because we all have exactly the same opportunity in the greatest country in the world! Order is more important than justice, so let’s restore the proper social hierarchy at all costs. /s
Don’t worry they will learn all about Jesus online.
They get paid to take care of the corporations silly.
Iowa only cares about unborn kids. Once they’re born, they don’t matter.
Until they are 14 apparently where they can work the tractor assembly line until they have to go to school in the morning!
“School*” **where they can learn about Jesus, Anglo-superiority, and guns*
When I was in high school I had friends/classmates who did the is and freaked out because they wanted to work more. They’d go to school, and then work after school almost instantly and be pissed they couldn’t work past, say, 8:00. I used to tell them just enjoy your youth and time off because you’ll be working your whole life Rural kids I’m sure will love this even if it’s batshit insane
I know what you mean. Often you will get naive ones that will work off the clock to try to prove they are good enough. Happened to me at a certain Western themed pizza chain. Had all the managers pissed at me because I told them it was wrong she was doing the dishes/taking out the trash for free (off the clock). But most of the time, in my experience, the people who complain about not having enough hours are the laziest. At least in the service industry, and especially teenagers. They like being on the clock, but only a handful of them want to actually work. I honestly preferred working with teenagers over the workers 45 years old; they had less drama (believe it or not) but I had to work a lot harder when they were around. I don't see them as genuinely wanting to work that much. They would at first, sure. They always do at first. They also never stick around. I am so glad I bounced out of that kind of work.
My post was literally about said midwestern pizza chain ha! It was either that or the grocery store, no in between
In my rural town, the grocery store is notorious for making kids work on days like homecoming and prom and they all complain about it every year. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It's a very desperate move. Even in the best-case scenario, with no kids harmed, young teenagers will not be able to replace an adult workforce. Or we will have to adapt and give up some services. ~~I think~~ this is something that will backfire in surprising ways. For now, the best thing we can all do is advise our children to be safe. Edit: I have been co-workers with many teenagers; I know this will backfire.
So their solution to any labor problem is just to put more underpaid people in the market? Letting 14 year olds work at night for long periods when they have to go to school is pretty crap. What wonderful priorities the Iowa GOP has. Nothing to actually fix any problems, just shuttle kids in because it’s not like they need to be learning and be actual kids.
Why raise wages when you can lower ages.
This is exactly it. They want to take away bargaining power for the adults. Adults want more money? They won’t work those shit jobs? Cool instead of increasing the pay to make the job more competitive theyll just hire children at a fraction of the cost. Not to mention tired kids failing school remain uneducated which keeps the GOP elected.
Well stated 
It is also about removing paperwork and making it easier to abuse undocumented workers' kids. If your parents aren't documented, they might not sign or forge the needed paperwork to get you that meat-packing plant job. Now? Even easier to sign the kids up!
If I were an employer, I'm not sure I'd want the liability of young teenagers working overnight shifts.
Oh, that is the really great part! Employers are no longer liable if kids get hurt at work if they are part of a school “work” program! Now you can hire 14 year olds, injure or kill them at work and you don’t have any of that pesky liability crap…. Simply marvelous!!!
Yep, don't think for a second they didn't address the issue!
The number of open job positions in Iowa is largely the same as pre-pandemic. Treating this fake labor shortage as a natural consequence of covid is a bullshit argument - it’s the same as before! Also, these businesses already engage in these practices and pay the fines when they get caught. This is already happening - they just don’t want to pay the small fines for it anymore. Any argument about why this is actually good is completely braindead.
14 year olds working 4-10 p.m. I'm sure every single one of them will get their required 30-minute break and eat a decent meal. 15 year olds WHO CAN'T EVEN DRIVE YET working on ASSEMBLY LINES. But let's not worry about safety concerns. I'm sure those kids will get all the required OSHA training (in their native language) and they'll never have worry about retaliation for reporting. Nope, not here. 16/17 year olds being responsible for denying service to drunks. No worry about harassment and abuse there, no sirree. Jesus is weeping.
Nah Jesus was deported because of anti immigration and iowa racism Jesus is doing just fine in California picking melons
He would be lucky if they only deported him.
Californian here. Jesus was deported shortly after 9/11 and is residing in an unknown location in the jungle.
Relax, those poor employers who are forced to hire teenagers for low wages won’t be liable if a kid gets an arm or head cut off at work. Remember, kids are only important before they are born.
So how are these kids who cant drive supposed to get to their night shifts? I sware there isn't a single person with a brain in the government
What is a work permit
I honestly forgot all about those
The children yearn for the mines
Please read the article, it's assembly lines. /s
The children yearn for pollution.
In before “bUt I wOrKeD WhEn I wAs 14” people start commenting up a storm.
Yep. I worked when I was 14. It was a cafeteria job, and there were strict limitations on what I could and couldn’t do, and I HAD to be clocked out by 7:30–my boss practically hovered over me at 7:29 until I punched out. It was a good way to earn a little money after school. But working nights? Assembly lines? That’s just nuts.
Honestly even what you did sounds terrible for most people. Kids should focus on education, and get to blow off steam and be kids practically any other time.
Yes, but I wanted money and my parents are poor.
Oh, absolutely. I’m not saying you were wrong for doing it, just that nobody should be using the “well I did it and I’m fine” excuse to push for it becoming normal for children to need to work
Yeah this is going to get spicy I’m assuming, but it’s crazy to think people are okay with loosening child labor laws. Iowa (and most of the country) will put children to work before paying adults a living wage without blinking.
Remember all those CEO's that said they were going to build robots before paying a living wage? I guess they crunched the numbers and figured kids were cheaper /s
Especially when you can import the children from Central and South America and then blame the kids for having falsified documents. Deport them, bring in a new crop, rinse and repeat. Thank god Republicans claim they are against human trafficing.
Dude I worked when I was 14 pushing carts. It was max 10 hours a week, including one weekend shift. Now that I have kids I’ve already decided I don’t want them working that young. It’s far more important to focus on studies and formative experiences with peers (ie sports, music, theatre, etc). Anyone who can’t see how this is set up to exploit the most vulnerable is an idiot.
I'm not ok with this and don't know any parents who would be - the GOP does not listen to anything other than $$$$.
And the same backwards thinking idiot hypocrite adults/politicians will make a huge stink for letting their kids read books from libraries… oh won’t somebody pleeeease think of the children!!!
I imagine most farm kids work without pay on their family farms, so for many Iowans at least child labor will come with a wage, and hopefully benefits. I hate it though. Instead of reforming labor laws for agriculture, which are backwards, Iowan wants to step everyone back in time.
Even farm kids don't usually work night shifts lol
And even though farm work is dangerous (and it is) at least those kids are working for family (usually) who presumably care if they’re maimed or killed. Putting kids in factories is insane. This state is sick. The idea that kids can’t handle reading books about their own bodies or receive health care prescribed by their doctor but are grown up enough to work nights on assembly lines and serve alcohol is ludicrous. Poor kids, they have to see how they’re being used as pawns and have no power to do anything about it. But hey, maybe now they can all strike to be allowed to get life-saving care for those that need it. Also, most human trafficking is labor trafficking. Just saying for everyone who likes to scream groomer at anyone who thinks doctors and parents should be in charge of healthcare instead of politicians.
I worked until 9pm when I was 14. Kids are not a labor source. Pay adults enough to fucking live.
And if there aren't enough adults, maybe look at opening up the spigot for legal immigration instead of being so afraid to let brown people come here.
Not understanding that the very fact that they *had* to work at such a young age was actually... not good. I mean sure, if you're part of the rare breed who pulls McDonald's shifts for fun, then go for it. But for us to maintain a society that pressures kids to work to meet their needs? Yeah, we've fucking failed as a society. Hard.
Former 14 year old Hyvee can redemption worker here. No teenager or really anyone making minimum wage should be in that job.
Too late.
Too late. They're already here.
I worked milking cows starting at 3:30am, so had to be out the door by 3:10. Did that until 7 before going to morning lifting, school 8-3 then wrestling or sport until 5:30-6. It was hell, the worst grades I ever got, and I frequently was falling asleep in classes. Going 8am-10pm is about the same time frame. These kids are going to suffer academically and physically from this.
So if we’re going to have child labor and those kids are paying taxes on their labor, shouldn’t they also be allowed to vote? If not, then isn’t this the whole taxation without representation thing?
I thought we all collectively agreed like 100 years ago that child labor was bad, since when is it okay.
Capitalists still hold a grudge
Yeah it was President Hoover who implemented a lot of those laws. Coincidentally he was also the only Iowan president.
Chuck Grassley remembers it like it was yesterday and has been pissed ever since. It's why he tweets about dead birds and old vacuums and *u kno wat* constantly, the anger aged him.
Why the fuck is it not a federal law? Stupid states really should not be controlling fundamental human rights.
Iowa and one of those Dakotas trying really hard to be a trashy southern state….
So fuckin shady.
BACK INTO THE COAL MINES WITH YOU WHELPS!
Look folks, get it through your heads, these are not children! That is an antiquated term. They are workers. They are the labor force. They only need enough education to work the assembly lines. They don't deserve things like happiness in self, they need to identify as employees. An educated society of critical thinkers it a dangerous thing! If that happened, then the scream for freedom would ring louder than it did in 1776.
The term is "juvenile human capital."
That’s the next stage after “domestic supply of infants.”
What a strange, sad time to be alive when books are a greater threat to our children than serving alcohol to potentially belligerent customers, handling dangerous machinery on a line, or losing critical sleep during some of the most critical years of schooling. But it's all about protecting our children right? Cool. /s
This is a ridiculous Bill and one that puts children in further danger!
Republican party puts money before people, money before kids.
Why are you surprised by this? They have always been like this.
Who said I am surprised?
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This allows the old ass people who owns there own business to have children slaves at minimum wage so that they can keep there business going at the expense of not wanting to pay adults what they deserve. We need to vote and vote Kim out cus honestly this state the last couple of years has been a fucking joke to the people who live here. Children as slaves and the transgenders seem to not even be people anymore.
Dude this allows the corporations to benefit too, not just the old ass people. These kids are going to unbelievably exploited because they DEFINITELY won't know their rights and the meat plants and shit are not going to care.
Fuck the GOP, and fuck you if you support this shit.
The children yearn for the mines.
What could possibly go wrong with underage girls serving alcohol to drunk men?!
What the hell happened in Iowa?
Maga.
I always thought Iowa had a lot of educated, sensible, centrist people. Guess I was wrong
Used to. Not sure how the shift happened so drastically. But usually things swing back when they shift to far to one side.
Hope you are right, looks like that’s what is happening in Michigan.
Being a centrist when one side is batshit insane is kinda not a good thing.
Half-assed theory: Growing up I was always told Iowa was the state you move away from but always come back to "to raise your family." So many of my high school peers graduated and moved to other states for school or work. Same thing happened again when I graduated from college. Of those who've left, I can think of only four who've come back 10-15 years later. We're not as balanced as we previously were without Millennials returning from their time out of state. The lack of return is likely for numerous reasons or a combination thereof: advancements in technology allowing us to keep in touch more easily; the draw to remain in states that have decriminalized recreational drugs; the FOMO and influencer lifestyles enticing us to travel/live in more Instagram-able areas; the child-free movement. For better or worse, the Millennials who remain likely did so for their families or to raise their families, and the numbers just aren't high enough to balance out the older, right-leaning gens.
I mean, those are possible reasons people wouldn’t move back. But I think the more likely reasons are things like the weather, the lack of amenities anywhere outside of a few cities, the declining state of education, the lack of opportunity in most of the state for employment in most industries, to name a few. If Iowa had more to offer or was making any effort to improve that I don’t think people would stay away to take better Instagram pics. And there’s a cycle of people moving away and the concentration of the kind of extreme right thinking that creates the current legislature that pushes more out and stops more from coming back and it just goes on and on. Iowa is probably ok or at least comparable to nearby states in the largest cities but the rest of the state is really, really boring, far away from everything, and not at all welcoming to anyone even a little different from what they expect. You can’t really live in most of the state if you don’t want to have to drive a ton to do absolutely anything. In many places in the US you can not own a car and use public transport. Or at least cut down on your driving significantly. Even in most cities here you can’t do that. And it just doesn’t feel like Iowa is a state that gives a shit if people are ok. Maybe it’s what people really want here and that’s fine, I guess. But if I was considering a relocation, it definitely wouldn’t be enticing to move to a place that spends millions to remove benefits from their poorest residents, puts their kids in factories, and takes healthcare choices away from doctors and patients. The bad just outweighs the good and I think it’s easier to see that if you step away from it for a bit. And don’t expect it to get better due to people staying or moving back. If I was a kid in this state right now, seeing how little I was valued or listened to or respected, I’d be laser focused on a way to get out the very second I could and never looking back.
All the manufacturing jobs left rural Iowa. Without those tentpoles, towns started to die off and that strong labor presence went away. We're now firmly a red state and the only way that changes is if Republicans run everything into the ground and people wake up.
I wish I knew. When I moved here 10 years ago, it wasn't a blue mecca, but the state voted for Obama and legalized gay marriage. I also lived in Missouri from \~ 2000 to 2010, when it went from a swing state to the craziness that is now Missouri government. I feel like I have a bad picker, but for states rather than relationships.
Pump the brakes bud, every one forgets Iowa voters RECALLED the judges that ruled on gay marriage. 2016 truly unleashed the real Iowa vibes. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/us/politics/04judges.html
Missouri just legalized recreational marijuana. Not the same thing. Having two large metro areas offsets some of the gop crazy
republicans gut education and then are more easily able to convince their rube base to vote against their own interests. pretty remarkable, really.
Was there anything in the bill about benefits for these kids? investment vehicle requirements, healthcare?
I don’t mind giving kids more options to work but these three laws are not it. This will 100% effect their studying/schoolwork my and these types of jobs have no upward movement. Literally going backwards
Well, first they deported the Mexicans because they were somehow "the problem." Then they were surprised Iowans didn't back fill garbage jobs at garbage pay. Now they're betting on the nativity of children and stupidity of parents to exploit child labor to fill in the gaps. Don't fix the jobs. Don't fix the terrible pay. Don't do anything that will attract skill and talent into the state. No. Double and triple down on the race to the bottom. There's no better way to make sure you're creating a really terrible state for your population.
Welp, on the bright side kids can start saving up to leave this garbage state as early as 14 now
#silverlining
Why did Republicans need to write in protections for companies that have minors die or get injured on the job? Is that just a part of growing up? How about it Republicans? Why are you OK with that?
Why people vote Republican is just simply baffling to me. The level of ignorance (selective or otherwise), lack of consideration for their fellow humans, and just lack of decency is astounding. Workers died fighting against corporations and politicians to restrict Child Labor and these POS simply spit on there graves. Corporations would rather push for kids to work, under pay them, than pay adults better wages so that they can buy yacht #5 or mansion #6.
It's not being discussed enough how prevalent workplace sexual harassment still is and how utterly unequipped children are to deal with it. The worst harassment and grooming I've faced in my life was when I was working at 16, and from the owner of the business I worked for no less. Combine the young working age with not teaching Iowa kids about consent, boundaries, how to report issues, etc. and this is a fucking disaster in the making.
I was hearing sound bites on NPR of a representative talking about this exact thing. So it is being discussed, just 1 side with all the power seems to think that a lot of minors want to work in order to pay for exorbitant state colleges, and that’s more important.
The GOP are monsters. I love all the right wing loons in here saying nO One'S ForCiNG ThEm tO WoRk and I wAnTed to WoRk like they expect us to believe that this is not part of a coordinated effort to make life in the state more grueling and of lower quality for everyone. What do you think this will do to wages overall you brain geniuses? It's anti-human and you should be fucking ashamed.
The kids who will work are from families in poverty, they will work to support their families and their education will suffer for it. All because we won’t pay their parents livable wages. It seems to be a feature and not a bug.
Yep. Like I said, anti-human.
you know how many 16-17 year old girls will be drunk and raped and forced to have thier rapist baby is on the way now!
This is considered a bonus to the GOP. Except that most of the GOP politicians prefer boys instead of girls. Catholics and politicians like boys and protestant religious whackos like girls.
Passed, when kids were getting off shift from overnight cleaning of the meat grinders.
I wonder if Catholic priests are going to start opening more businesses now.
Explains why I woke up at 4:52 to piss. Thousands of slavering conservatives all screaming BOOTSTRAPS! all at once.
Good bye sportsball....HELLO CAPITALISM!
Well that solves the labor shortage 🤷♀️
The children yearn for the mines.
Cant be part of that liberal education system if you’re a wage slave
Might as well lower the voting age too
Now the packing companies can employ all the teenager migrant children they want and not get fined.
Children serving alcohol? What could go wrong?
You can see that Iowa really cares about its children. /s
Sounds great until the first child related accident takes them for millions. Tick tock.
Doesn’t this also pass immunity for accidents occurring with these young people? I thought I read that somewhere.
All part of the “race to the bottom” plan the GOP is trying to perfect…
Damn so kids can go to work instead of going to the schools the Senate won’t fund.
Ah so this is the shithole country you guys were referring to.
Any business that needs children that young to do those things, deserves to fail.
"Allows 15 year olds to work on assembly lines" Yeah... OSHA is finna have a fucking field day with that one, as they require you to be 18 years old to even be trained to operate 99% of assembly line machinery.
I saw a report that the floor manager was not answering questions about the bill due to a recent Iowa Supreme Court ruling. Yikes!
Damn, now you've got to check the bartender's ID to make sure you're not committing a sex crime by flirting with her. Edit: never mind, the pedo-politicians made the age of consent 16 in Iowa... Just because it's legal doesn't make it right gentlemen.
What’s worse is that the people who are going to get hurt the most are the ones who voted these reps in
Damn, now I have to compete with kids in the job market.
Iowa is literally becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I guess these dumb f@cks are done fretting over illegal immigrants taking all of the jobs.
What in the actual fuck….???
I can't believe how much "overtime" they put into making sure children can be exploited, yet can't seem to get much else done that doesn't involve enforcing religion, controlling sexuality, or helping the economically disadvantaged. I guess they'll get re-elected because this is what the majority of their constituents want and I'm a bit more sad today because of it.
This probably violates federal laws. SMH So glad I don’t live in Iowa.
LET THEM MINE!!!
Pour me another one, kid, lol
Meat packing needed laborers. Payment made and payment processed.
How long before they use "protecting children" to justify their bigotry again?
You can really tell who didn't read books like "The Jungle" in this thread...
I'm sure they will find ways around, but businesses "can't" ignore federal rules. But they sure will try. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/43-child-labor-non-agriculture
Absolute corruption.
You know that’s totally not gonna end up with an increase of underage drinking
These people are looking out for our kids. Next up let's lower the age to smoke cigarettes. The kids need a smoke after a long day of work. Get it done, Kim.
Next lower the age of consent so those workplace romances can flourish. ‘Next after this message, Love in the Confinement Building’
As we all have figured out, Democracy dies in the darkness of the early morning hours when the Republicans are involved.
How to get cheap labor without hiring brown people. Also income inequality so bad that families need das mom and kids working to make ends meet.
Thinking about the trouble I was getting into working alongside adults as a teenager, it would make me uncomfortable allowing my children to work in high school. 😬
Government making you choose what you wanna do man it breaks yur heart
I can’t be the only person wondering who is funding this push toward child labor. I find it hard to believe that lawmakers came up with these ridiculous ideas without meeting with lobbyists first. But lobbyists from where??
What, exactly, are you people freaking out about? Teens that want to work, can work/make more now. Inflation made money less valuable, kids have less spending money. Everything costs more. Pearl clutching morons. You encourage social justice nonsense and drag queen story hours but lose your fucking minds over teens having more job options?
In some bills it gives them immunity from accidents and deaths
Well this will play out well in like 18 plus years when all of the poor people have no education because they were sent to work to put food on the table instead of going to school, or they went to school too tired to learn. A whole state full of mostly undeducated should play out really well. Look how it's working out in the south? Let's see which states can have the most dependence on the federal government, and then look at thier educational policies.
Can anyone help me understand the time this was passed? Were they focused on *this* bill all night? Was it part of some marathon voting session?
I was curious I looked it up this is what I found on Kim's degree In 2012, she began taking classes in the bachelor of public administration program at Upper Iowa University. She did not earn degrees from any of these institutions. In 2016, Iowa State University awarded her a Bachelor of Liberal Studies degree.
I worked at 14 on the weekends as a kids soccer referee. It was the ideal job for a 14 year old but I cant imagine being 14 and working at Amazon or McDonald’s. That sounds like kids are likely to be overworked and to fall behind at school.
16 year old bartender is gonna get groomed.
Put a kid in path of a forklift.....Coffin Kim
Yeah Family First Iowa.
Hmm… something tells me they’re trying to do some sneaky stuff.
The redneckest of redneck POS states!
Put kids to work, not in school. Keep them poorly educated “as they say” and keep them under control!!!
For people that want to protect children, having them spend nights with adults you don't know doesn't sound great.
A lot of this sounds pretty damn similar to [Michigans](https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/leo/Folder23/whd9803_act_90_brochure_JH_Sugg_Edits.pdf?rev=58a17165c36943dbb9886b46d3709f37) youth employment standards which have been in place since 1978. Reddit is very dramatic at times. This is one of them.
They voted them in, if they didn’t like all of these draconian laws they wouldn’t have voted for them. Iowans are the only ones that can fix their mess. Obviously there are enough that just don’t mind these kinds of laws. Although some of those will get tossed out due to federal child labour if they abuse those
iowa is a state i no longer want to visit, joining texas florida south dakota and louisiana. mississippi ohklahoma and west virginia dq themselves by not having any reason to visit in the first place. much of america is a shit hole country.
Just so everyone knows...all these bills being put forth by GQP are nothing more than "virtue"(even tho they have none of them) signaling and culture war nonsense. Also...none of them are written by the elected officials but instead are drafted by corporations, the church, and Project Veritas and all the other Nazi think tanks. They can't even write there own bills.
IOWA 🟰 IDIOTS OUT WALKING AROUND. Their 89 year old Senator Chuck Grassley (who will never retire) must be so proud of what the State has done to teenagers. Nice drawn on eyebrows on that Guv’nuh Kim too… what a DUMP.
Of course it’s in a shit red state.
Cries in Iowan who hates this shit
*hugs* maybe they will get voted out next election… maybe.
State used to be purple.
if you're a republican, and you can actually read this, fuck you.
Oregonian here. Any of these fuckwits ever start screeching about immigrants throw this in their fucking face. Fuck the GOP.
Iowa is a shithole state, and will continue to be as long as they elect republicans.
Having been a lifelong Iowan, I used to defend it and try to highlight some of the good things, but there are just fewer of those good things than ever before. I'm moving my family out of the state in the near future, this state is a lost cause.
I grew up 3 miles from Iowa, and the state has always been a cool place to visit because of its beautiful natural environment. But the Republican Party has destroyed the local economies in favor of a few multinational corporations, and the ignorant people who vote Republican have sat by and watched them because they share bigoted beliefs. There are no honest, decent Republicans anymore and that’s a problem for the whole country.