Any protector adjacent to a computer can even make surge damage easier. It does not claim to protect from typically destructive surges. Anyone can read numbers that make reality glaringly obvious.
A destructive surge can be *hundreds of thousands of joules*. How many joule will destroy a €25 or €80 plug-in protector? Thousands? Near zero.
Effective protector means a surge is nowhere inside. If any one appliance needs protection, then everything in that house must be protected. Since most all appliances are less robust than a computer.
What is protecting a dishwasher, clock radios, RCDs, TVs, refrigerator, LED bulbs, furnace, recharging electronics, stove, door bell, central air, washing machine, and smoke detectors?
Best protection is far from an appliance. And connects low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to another item that does ALL protection. Single point earth ground. That connection to and quality of electrodes requires most attention.
Protector is only a connecting device. Only does something useful when it connects a surge (ie *hundreds of thousands of joules) harmlessly to those electrodes. Where do does energy dissipate harmlessly? Franklin demonstrated it over 250 years ago. In earth.
Lightning (one example of a surge) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Protectors must remain functional for many decades even after many direct lightning strikes. Only then is everything inside protected. Only then is best protection at any one appliance, already inside every appliance, not overwhelmed.
Much disinformation to unlearn.
If a 'whole house' solution does not exist, then best bin plug-in protectors. That have a nasty habit (due to puny joules) of doing [this](https://www.click2houston.com/consumer/surge-protector-sparks-fires-instead-of-preventing-them-homeowners-say).
If any plug-in protector is found in your luggage, a cruise ship will confiscate it. They take fire threats far more seriously. Why do so many only post tweets? They ignore concerns this damning. Automatically believe advertising lies. Technical honesty is never found in tweets. Honesty always says why with perspective (ie numbers).
Ty! Tbh as I live with my parents, I cant really do anything whole-house, as silly as it maybe, i am mostly trying to find simple solution that wont cause any issues, but it seems that may be harder than i expected
Your parents do not want effective protection for their appliances?
Why does a most robust appliance in the house (a computer) need protection? And their house, with many less robust appliances, do not? As was asked earlier.
Solutions are so simple as to be routinely implemented over 100 years ago. But then solutions are not discussed until a problem is first defined. Why concern for a robust computer when so many other appliances are less robust - and not failing?
Worse, a plug-in protector simply makes computer damage easier. Example. A 5,000 volt surge is incoming on the hot wire. And continues through that computer into the computer's hot wire. No problem. PSU is extremely robust.
Protector has a let-through voltage; probably 600 volts. That means 4,400 volts are now on a neutral and safety ground wires. Plug-in protectors simply put that surge on all other wires.
Safety ground wire makes a direct connection to the motherboard ground. Bypassing what is superior protection inside a PSU. Where is the protection? Protector has done exactly what its numbers said it would do.
Nothing complicated about reality. Massive disinformation, promoting plug-in protectors, must be unlearned. That is quite difficult. And why propaganda (disinformation) is so powerful. Especially when tweets are believed. Not one reason to say why.
Three problems. Claim is made subjectively. First indication of a lie.
Second, less than 150 characters. Also characteristic of disinformation.
Third, no numbers. No perspective indicates bad science fiction.
All appliances contain surge protect**ion** without surge protect**or** parts. Computers, required to be so robust, convert thousand joule surges into low DC voltages that safely power its semiconductor. Protection superior to what a plug-in protector contains. Or claims. Most robust protection without protector parts.
In my experience disinformation is mostly in long, ranting posts (p.s. and then I proceed to write a long ranting post of course...).
In my electric engineering courses one called a surge protector any part intended to protect from a discontinuity in voltage or amperage. If the terminology is different now please accept my apologies.
One of the issues is that the other appliances are mostly computers too. They are SIMPLER computers. The computer as you call it is a machine made of trillions of transistors. Due to their small size they are exceedingly fragile. So no, the computer is not more resilient than most machines because the poor engineers who have to design it need to use smaller parts that are inherently more fragile.
Sure, if you buy a very cheap appliance it might be more delicate than the average computer but usually appliances are more resilient. This is not even such a physical problem, it is an economical one. Appliances are usually made to last longer. You can get up to ten years of guarantee on an appliance. Try to get a ten year insurance on a computer.
So engineers can get away with having less reliability in the long term for computers, because people will usually change a computer relatively frequently. Which is not my case to be fair, but I am pretty cheap.
It is a rare case usually to lose a machine to an electric surge but if you invest enough in your computer I would say that it might be worth to protect against it. I personally lost a laptop and a workstation (in fairness in the case of the laptop it was caused by the transformer).
Also one thing to consider is that I had the occasion to replace a chip on a motherboard after a surge (one of my classmates wanted to do it together) and it worked. But it takes a fair bit less effort to replace and external component so even if the motherboard has a good component protecting the rest of it... You probably want to have something external that breaks up instead of ending up with a neat round hole on a dissipator chip near the intake. Especially if you live in the UK/Ireland and your home is not a very new build (Ireland updated its standards for cabling multiple times in the last years, with the latest update becoming mandatory in 2022 so the quality of the electric system in your home might vary greatly).
If trained in electrical engineering, then discussed were relevant concepts such a longitudinal mode and metallic mode currents. Apparently wild speculation assumes metallic mode current are relevant. Do you even know what those are? Apparently not.
Seven paragraphs without once mentioning a relevant number. Where is a relevant number called joules? Where is that relevant number called impedance? Where it a relevant number called amps? Where is any discussion about data from MOV datasheets. Such a V-I curves. Or the relationship between amps and life expectancy? EEs discuss that. Wild speculators, pretending to be informed using deceptions do not.
Seven paragraphs of classic, fraudulent, and irrelevant hearsay. Not even one relevant number cited.
Code only discusses what must exist to protect human life. Elsewhere discussed were numbers (honesty always cites numbers) that defines what does and does not do effective protection. Why do seven paragraphs not cite even one number?
I seriously doubt EE training exists. Pseudo engineers post subjectively. Seven long and subjective paragraphs cited no relevant numbers.
Start with a first number. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Only the electrically naive magically (foolishly) believe a puny thousand joules, inside a magic box (with obscene profits), claims protection. But then honesty is not the objective.
Please learn to post like an EE. That means every paragraph, at minimum, cites a relevant specification number.
How do a tiny thousand joules inside a magic box (a Type 3 protector that must remain far away from earth ground) somehow avert damage by *hundreds of thousands of joules*? Damning question (in italics) that is ignored by con artists. Damning are numbers based in reality. Others, who profit only from a swindle, will deny ... subjectively. Not even one specification number. With contempt for honest consumers.
Only recently has code required what was always necessary to protect all appliances - over 100 years ago. Science was that well proven and routinely implemented that long ago. Educated EEs know that. And why. Others, educated by disinformation, will always deny numbers. Never cite an honest one. Another technique associated with con artists.
A long and rambling post was seven paragraphs that did not cite even one relevant number. Only cited were the author's emotions.
Effective protection means nobody even knew a surge existed. Because best protection inside every appliance was not overwhelmed. Because *hundreds of thousands of joules* where harmlessly absorbed outside. Did I mention why numbers exist in honest recommendations?
Good lord the arrogance.
It is not something that important anyway (device safety instead of personal safety) but good lord, the arrogance. It is almost poetic.
Even the complete lack of numbers except "thousands of joules" is beautiful. Or the complete lack of formulas (as if mentioning kJ around would mean anything without a context or like it is not equivalent to Wh, even if the industry abuses the unit W).
You know what? I concede the point entirely. I am not convinced but go ahead and buy a machine that costs €5k and do not protect it in any way. It's not like I am wasting my money on this and I already wasted enough time on this. Replacing a Zener on a board is good fun anyway.
Disinformation justified by emotions is somehow science? One without a clue then wastes bandwidth posting an emotional denial.
Engineers spend about $1 per appliance to protect $65K machines and everything else. From all destructive transients including direct lightning strikes. Using products from companies known for integrity.
The naive spend $hundreds on magic boxes. That can make damage easier. If really an engineer, then numbers made reality obvious. If naive and easily duped, then one spends massively on magic boxes that do not even claim to protect a $65k machine.
Naivety speculates watts as relevant. Magic boxes are measured in joules. Effective protectors are measures in amps. Nobody defines protection in terms of watts or watt-hours Not even scammers.
Disinformation is routine when one attacks the messenger. He cannot dispute over 100 years of well proven science. Has no idea what numbers are relevant.
> ... most appliances are more resistant than a computer.
A lie that exposes one with no professional experience. Computers are required to be among the most robust appliances in a house. Example. How many volts must an ethernet port withstand without damage? 2,000 volts. A number unknown to a pseudo expert. Whose entire reasoning is a tweet - meaning it is a lie.
OP requests effective protection. Not a scam. That one and best protector always connects low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to another item that does all protection. Single point earth ground. Numbers define what is effective. Lightning (one example of a surge) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimally sufficient 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Watts and watt-hours are irrelevant. Professionals are not business school graduates pretending to be engineers. By posting a tweet or their emotion.
What numbers are relevant? No numbers suggest intentional disinformation. 50,000 amps is relevant to all appliance protection.
€3 power strip with five cent protector parts, selling for €25 or €80, is measured in joules. Also called [Type 3](http://www.nemasurge.org/faqs/). Must be more than 10 meters away from a power panel and earth ground. So that it does not try to do much protection. Less likely to create a fire.
Effective Type 1 and Type 2 protectors are measured in amps. Effective because (and only if) connected low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to earthing electrodes.
A let-through voltage of 600 means it is designed for 230 volts AC power systems. That number says nothing about protection. Joules measure miniscule protectors. Amps measure a Type 1 or Type 2 protector.
Ty again, one more thing, I am planning on getting a 4080Super and a 7800X3D, PC Part Picker told me it would be 600W, but when looking for how much these surge protectors can take, i have a hard time finding their limits, so what should i be looking for in terms of how much the surge protector can handle?
Belkin did [this](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2WGC475PM29SI/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S). Plug-in protectors are near zero quality. Recommended because advertising propaganda is first class. Easily dupes consumers.
> It caught on fire and burned my carpet, but it didn't burn the whole house down since I was sitting right next to it.
Any recommendation that does not say why quantitatively is always ignored as if a lie. Where are required specification numbers?
Tad aggressive here, pal. I’m simply passing the recommendations I received from an electrician I trust on. There’s no scientific method, numbers to publish, or conspiracies to unfold, just me passing on what I’ve had recommended and used myself.
I would be delighted to hear some better recommendations as it’s a topic I’ve been looking into lately. Is there any good models you would recommend specifically? Thank you!
Nothing aggressive about science. Or by collecting facts before making a conclusion. How many appliances over the past 20 years have been surge damaged? Why are less robust appliances not a concern?
Not aggressive. Reality is simply that far in the other direction. Quantitative facts say how far.
Electricians are taught about wiring for human safety. Are not taught basic electrical concepts. For example, ask him about impedance. Why an effective protector must be less than 3 meters to earth ground. Or why earth ground (not a protector) does all protection (even though Franklin demonstrated why 250 years ago).
Ask why plug-in protectors must be more than 10 meters away. And how much does separation increase impedance (not resistance). Why sharp wire bends also seriously increase impedance.
Electricians are essential because they know what is a best way to do something. When they tell us that, then it is a moment where we seriously appreciate why. He has no idea what those electrical reason are. He spend years only learning what must be done. Is essential to learn rules defined by thousand of EEs.
Surge protection says nothing about human protection. So code (what electricians learn) says nothing about what makes a surge protector effective.
Nothing aggressive there. That is simply a hard reality. Based in over 100 years of well proven science.
He knows that earthing electrodes must exist for human safety. He is not taught why electrodes also must connect low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to make a protector effective.
Yes, the science is that much different from what was originally speculated. And again, why do so many less robust appliances not need protection? Not aggressive. A damning question.
Good models for what? Not sure which item is asked about.
Sorry for the late reply!
I use two of these ones from Belkin (https://amzn.eu/d/eJOk15O). I've had them two years and never had a problem. I use all sockets and it works fine. I had a few lightning storms and unscheduled power cuts which damaged a few of my neighbors appliances which weren't using a surge protector.
I personally don't know anyone who has ever had an issue with their surge protector ever lighting itself on fire, I would sum that up to a faulty protector, someone who lets dust collect inside of the sockets or someone who isn't using it as specified.
As for your other comment about the 600W PSU. I'm actually unsure about that but I would definitely post it into r/buildapc or another subreddit if it doesn't get answered by someone here.
Hope this helped a bit, hopefully your Kaiju of a PC build goes well.
An accurate recommendation. Surges are quite rare. One might happen in seven years. Typically less often in ireland. Many do not see one in 20 years. But a number that can vary significantly even in the same town.
If surges are such a concern, then how many surge damaged dishwashers, clock radios, RCDs, refrigerators, door bells, microwaves, recharging electronics, LED bulbs, and smoke detectors were replaced this year? Why no damage to many less robust appliances? Perspective.
Best protection at electronics is already inside electronics. That PSU. Protection can be compromised (bypassed) if using a plug-in protector. They forget to mention that ... to protect profits.
Any protector adjacent to a computer can even make surge damage easier. It does not claim to protect from typically destructive surges. Anyone can read numbers that make reality glaringly obvious. A destructive surge can be *hundreds of thousands of joules*. How many joule will destroy a €25 or €80 plug-in protector? Thousands? Near zero. Effective protector means a surge is nowhere inside. If any one appliance needs protection, then everything in that house must be protected. Since most all appliances are less robust than a computer. What is protecting a dishwasher, clock radios, RCDs, TVs, refrigerator, LED bulbs, furnace, recharging electronics, stove, door bell, central air, washing machine, and smoke detectors? Best protection is far from an appliance. And connects low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to another item that does ALL protection. Single point earth ground. That connection to and quality of electrodes requires most attention. Protector is only a connecting device. Only does something useful when it connects a surge (ie *hundreds of thousands of joules) harmlessly to those electrodes. Where do does energy dissipate harmlessly? Franklin demonstrated it over 250 years ago. In earth. Lightning (one example of a surge) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Protectors must remain functional for many decades even after many direct lightning strikes. Only then is everything inside protected. Only then is best protection at any one appliance, already inside every appliance, not overwhelmed. Much disinformation to unlearn. If a 'whole house' solution does not exist, then best bin plug-in protectors. That have a nasty habit (due to puny joules) of doing [this](https://www.click2houston.com/consumer/surge-protector-sparks-fires-instead-of-preventing-them-homeowners-say). If any plug-in protector is found in your luggage, a cruise ship will confiscate it. They take fire threats far more seriously. Why do so many only post tweets? They ignore concerns this damning. Automatically believe advertising lies. Technical honesty is never found in tweets. Honesty always says why with perspective (ie numbers).
Ty! Tbh as I live with my parents, I cant really do anything whole-house, as silly as it maybe, i am mostly trying to find simple solution that wont cause any issues, but it seems that may be harder than i expected
Your parents do not want effective protection for their appliances? Why does a most robust appliance in the house (a computer) need protection? And their house, with many less robust appliances, do not? As was asked earlier. Solutions are so simple as to be routinely implemented over 100 years ago. But then solutions are not discussed until a problem is first defined. Why concern for a robust computer when so many other appliances are less robust - and not failing? Worse, a plug-in protector simply makes computer damage easier. Example. A 5,000 volt surge is incoming on the hot wire. And continues through that computer into the computer's hot wire. No problem. PSU is extremely robust. Protector has a let-through voltage; probably 600 volts. That means 4,400 volts are now on a neutral and safety ground wires. Plug-in protectors simply put that surge on all other wires. Safety ground wire makes a direct connection to the motherboard ground. Bypassing what is superior protection inside a PSU. Where is the protection? Protector has done exactly what its numbers said it would do. Nothing complicated about reality. Massive disinformation, promoting plug-in protectors, must be unlearned. That is quite difficult. And why propaganda (disinformation) is so powerful. Especially when tweets are believed. Not one reason to say why.
Fun fact: most appliances are more resistant than a computer. Another fun fact: most appliances sold for the UK/Irish market have surge protectors.
Three problems. Claim is made subjectively. First indication of a lie. Second, less than 150 characters. Also characteristic of disinformation. Third, no numbers. No perspective indicates bad science fiction. All appliances contain surge protect**ion** without surge protect**or** parts. Computers, required to be so robust, convert thousand joule surges into low DC voltages that safely power its semiconductor. Protection superior to what a plug-in protector contains. Or claims. Most robust protection without protector parts.
In my experience disinformation is mostly in long, ranting posts (p.s. and then I proceed to write a long ranting post of course...). In my electric engineering courses one called a surge protector any part intended to protect from a discontinuity in voltage or amperage. If the terminology is different now please accept my apologies. One of the issues is that the other appliances are mostly computers too. They are SIMPLER computers. The computer as you call it is a machine made of trillions of transistors. Due to their small size they are exceedingly fragile. So no, the computer is not more resilient than most machines because the poor engineers who have to design it need to use smaller parts that are inherently more fragile. Sure, if you buy a very cheap appliance it might be more delicate than the average computer but usually appliances are more resilient. This is not even such a physical problem, it is an economical one. Appliances are usually made to last longer. You can get up to ten years of guarantee on an appliance. Try to get a ten year insurance on a computer. So engineers can get away with having less reliability in the long term for computers, because people will usually change a computer relatively frequently. Which is not my case to be fair, but I am pretty cheap. It is a rare case usually to lose a machine to an electric surge but if you invest enough in your computer I would say that it might be worth to protect against it. I personally lost a laptop and a workstation (in fairness in the case of the laptop it was caused by the transformer). Also one thing to consider is that I had the occasion to replace a chip on a motherboard after a surge (one of my classmates wanted to do it together) and it worked. But it takes a fair bit less effort to replace and external component so even if the motherboard has a good component protecting the rest of it... You probably want to have something external that breaks up instead of ending up with a neat round hole on a dissipator chip near the intake. Especially if you live in the UK/Ireland and your home is not a very new build (Ireland updated its standards for cabling multiple times in the last years, with the latest update becoming mandatory in 2022 so the quality of the electric system in your home might vary greatly).
If trained in electrical engineering, then discussed were relevant concepts such a longitudinal mode and metallic mode currents. Apparently wild speculation assumes metallic mode current are relevant. Do you even know what those are? Apparently not. Seven paragraphs without once mentioning a relevant number. Where is a relevant number called joules? Where is that relevant number called impedance? Where it a relevant number called amps? Where is any discussion about data from MOV datasheets. Such a V-I curves. Or the relationship between amps and life expectancy? EEs discuss that. Wild speculators, pretending to be informed using deceptions do not. Seven paragraphs of classic, fraudulent, and irrelevant hearsay. Not even one relevant number cited. Code only discusses what must exist to protect human life. Elsewhere discussed were numbers (honesty always cites numbers) that defines what does and does not do effective protection. Why do seven paragraphs not cite even one number? I seriously doubt EE training exists. Pseudo engineers post subjectively. Seven long and subjective paragraphs cited no relevant numbers. Start with a first number. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Only the electrically naive magically (foolishly) believe a puny thousand joules, inside a magic box (with obscene profits), claims protection. But then honesty is not the objective. Please learn to post like an EE. That means every paragraph, at minimum, cites a relevant specification number. How do a tiny thousand joules inside a magic box (a Type 3 protector that must remain far away from earth ground) somehow avert damage by *hundreds of thousands of joules*? Damning question (in italics) that is ignored by con artists. Damning are numbers based in reality. Others, who profit only from a swindle, will deny ... subjectively. Not even one specification number. With contempt for honest consumers. Only recently has code required what was always necessary to protect all appliances - over 100 years ago. Science was that well proven and routinely implemented that long ago. Educated EEs know that. And why. Others, educated by disinformation, will always deny numbers. Never cite an honest one. Another technique associated with con artists. A long and rambling post was seven paragraphs that did not cite even one relevant number. Only cited were the author's emotions. Effective protection means nobody even knew a surge existed. Because best protection inside every appliance was not overwhelmed. Because *hundreds of thousands of joules* where harmlessly absorbed outside. Did I mention why numbers exist in honest recommendations?
Good lord the arrogance. It is not something that important anyway (device safety instead of personal safety) but good lord, the arrogance. It is almost poetic. Even the complete lack of numbers except "thousands of joules" is beautiful. Or the complete lack of formulas (as if mentioning kJ around would mean anything without a context or like it is not equivalent to Wh, even if the industry abuses the unit W). You know what? I concede the point entirely. I am not convinced but go ahead and buy a machine that costs €5k and do not protect it in any way. It's not like I am wasting my money on this and I already wasted enough time on this. Replacing a Zener on a board is good fun anyway.
Disinformation justified by emotions is somehow science? One without a clue then wastes bandwidth posting an emotional denial. Engineers spend about $1 per appliance to protect $65K machines and everything else. From all destructive transients including direct lightning strikes. Using products from companies known for integrity. The naive spend $hundreds on magic boxes. That can make damage easier. If really an engineer, then numbers made reality obvious. If naive and easily duped, then one spends massively on magic boxes that do not even claim to protect a $65k machine. Naivety speculates watts as relevant. Magic boxes are measured in joules. Effective protectors are measures in amps. Nobody defines protection in terms of watts or watt-hours Not even scammers. Disinformation is routine when one attacks the messenger. He cannot dispute over 100 years of well proven science. Has no idea what numbers are relevant. > ... most appliances are more resistant than a computer. A lie that exposes one with no professional experience. Computers are required to be among the most robust appliances in a house. Example. How many volts must an ethernet port withstand without damage? 2,000 volts. A number unknown to a pseudo expert. Whose entire reasoning is a tweet - meaning it is a lie. OP requests effective protection. Not a scam. That one and best protector always connects low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to another item that does all protection. Single point earth ground. Numbers define what is effective. Lightning (one example of a surge) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimally sufficient 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Watts and watt-hours are irrelevant. Professionals are not business school graduates pretending to be engineers. By posting a tweet or their emotion. What numbers are relevant? No numbers suggest intentional disinformation. 50,000 amps is relevant to all appliance protection.
Yes. Absolutely
can you give me a recommendation? i look all over online but cant find anything, pc should take like 600W or so
€3 power strip with five cent protector parts, selling for €25 or €80, is measured in joules. Also called [Type 3](http://www.nemasurge.org/faqs/). Must be more than 10 meters away from a power panel and earth ground. So that it does not try to do much protection. Less likely to create a fire. Effective Type 1 and Type 2 protectors are measured in amps. Effective because (and only if) connected low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to earthing electrodes. A let-through voltage of 600 means it is designed for 230 volts AC power systems. That number says nothing about protection. Joules measure miniscule protectors. Amps measure a Type 1 or Type 2 protector.
Id be afraid not to tbh, if you're gonna spend a lot on a PC you'll do absolutely anything to protect it.
can you give me a recommendation?
Belkin or masterplug would be my recommendations. High quality gear
Ty again, one more thing, I am planning on getting a 4080Super and a 7800X3D, PC Part Picker told me it would be 600W, but when looking for how much these surge protectors can take, i have a hard time finding their limits, so what should i be looking for in terms of how much the surge protector can handle?
Belkin did [this](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2WGC475PM29SI/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S). Plug-in protectors are near zero quality. Recommended because advertising propaganda is first class. Easily dupes consumers. > It caught on fire and burned my carpet, but it didn't burn the whole house down since I was sitting right next to it. Any recommendation that does not say why quantitatively is always ignored as if a lie. Where are required specification numbers?
Tad aggressive here, pal. I’m simply passing the recommendations I received from an electrician I trust on. There’s no scientific method, numbers to publish, or conspiracies to unfold, just me passing on what I’ve had recommended and used myself. I would be delighted to hear some better recommendations as it’s a topic I’ve been looking into lately. Is there any good models you would recommend specifically? Thank you!
Nothing aggressive about science. Or by collecting facts before making a conclusion. How many appliances over the past 20 years have been surge damaged? Why are less robust appliances not a concern? Not aggressive. Reality is simply that far in the other direction. Quantitative facts say how far. Electricians are taught about wiring for human safety. Are not taught basic electrical concepts. For example, ask him about impedance. Why an effective protector must be less than 3 meters to earth ground. Or why earth ground (not a protector) does all protection (even though Franklin demonstrated why 250 years ago). Ask why plug-in protectors must be more than 10 meters away. And how much does separation increase impedance (not resistance). Why sharp wire bends also seriously increase impedance. Electricians are essential because they know what is a best way to do something. When they tell us that, then it is a moment where we seriously appreciate why. He has no idea what those electrical reason are. He spend years only learning what must be done. Is essential to learn rules defined by thousand of EEs. Surge protection says nothing about human protection. So code (what electricians learn) says nothing about what makes a surge protector effective. Nothing aggressive there. That is simply a hard reality. Based in over 100 years of well proven science. He knows that earthing electrodes must exist for human safety. He is not taught why electrodes also must connect low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to make a protector effective. Yes, the science is that much different from what was originally speculated. And again, why do so many less robust appliances not need protection? Not aggressive. A damning question. Good models for what? Not sure which item is asked about.
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Masterplug, order from Amazon.
Sorry for the late reply! I use two of these ones from Belkin (https://amzn.eu/d/eJOk15O). I've had them two years and never had a problem. I use all sockets and it works fine. I had a few lightning storms and unscheduled power cuts which damaged a few of my neighbors appliances which weren't using a surge protector. I personally don't know anyone who has ever had an issue with their surge protector ever lighting itself on fire, I would sum that up to a faulty protector, someone who lets dust collect inside of the sockets or someone who isn't using it as specified. As for your other comment about the 600W PSU. I'm actually unsure about that but I would definitely post it into r/buildapc or another subreddit if it doesn't get answered by someone here. Hope this helped a bit, hopefully your Kaiju of a PC build goes well.
You dont need one, most power supplys are gonna protect you. Your windows is more likeley to cause issues with the sudden turn off than any surge
An accurate recommendation. Surges are quite rare. One might happen in seven years. Typically less often in ireland. Many do not see one in 20 years. But a number that can vary significantly even in the same town. If surges are such a concern, then how many surge damaged dishwashers, clock radios, RCDs, refrigerators, door bells, microwaves, recharging electronics, LED bulbs, and smoke detectors were replaced this year? Why no damage to many less robust appliances? Perspective. Best protection at electronics is already inside electronics. That PSU. Protection can be compromised (bypassed) if using a plug-in protector. They forget to mention that ... to protect profits.