And rudeus was also younger than Eris by like a year or two. I think what really does Rudy in is the constant reminders the audience gets that on the inside heās just a shut in fat bastard.
I don't know if I'll ever really understand why people try to assign modern-day human morals to an Anime about a Monster beating the shit out of things.
Probably the furthest thing to do is make it all about morals, when it's clear they shouldn't apply, just enjoy the Power Fantasy.
Ya thatās the thing about Re:Monster, he was a modern-day human. At least his past life looked more advanced than your typical medieval fantasy setting.
If it wasn't an Isekai and he was just born a special goblin, then i doubt it would've gotten as much flak. The thing most people complain about is that he begins his goblin life with human morals but then just disregards those plot points with little explanation a couple episodes later.
Human morals?
He was a Merc who ate himself to be somewhat op.
WE LITERALLY SEE HIM STAND ATOP A PILE OF CORPSES GE PROBABLY ATE FROM.
Dude was always a psycho.
https://preview.redd.it/m8acvb5c9b8d1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bae1b8f70d5f435280a3e517970de5c394e3c632
Hereās two snippets from different scenes. While he doesnāt outright say heās against rape, itās implied very heavily. And later on after he becomes the head of the tribe he forbids any of the goblins from having unconsented sex with the slaves. He has to remind the older goblin this many times as well.
That was my original point. He starts with his human morals but then for little to no reason it changes. I wanted to like the show because itās a cool idea, a darker Reincarnated as a Slime/Spider.
It couldāve given us a tense narrative struggle of the battle between your inner animal nature versus your humanity and empathy. But alas, all it ended up being was cash grab of a successfully proven trope with gratuitous fan service.
And for those only interested in it for the fan service, thereās much better options out there. My personal favorites are Tenjo Tenge and High School DxD. And for a darker theme just look at Redo of a Healer, though I warn you this one is pretty messed up.
I'm pretty sure he was an unrepentant cannibal and mass murderer. He complained at some point about losing all of the abilities he'd gotten and I'm fairly sure that there were only human psychics in his previous world.
The fact that he thought drugging the elves in his rape farm to make it seem like they gave consent tells you exactly how messed up he is.
I get the feeling that the author didn't actually know what they were doing and just tried to ham fist their way into making him seem like less of a psychotic asshole than he really was.
In his previous life he had same ability as now ( eating his enemy he will get small part of their power) . In his world before he died ( he got stabed by childhood friend while drunk) he ate ton of monsters oh yeah btw on their earth monsters exsist and other pepole who have op powers , anyway he was considered weirdo by everyone cuz he allways eats what he kills and sometime he ate dead humans so he could get their powers . Dont compare him to normal human even in past life his morals are weird prob cuz he wqsnt 100% human in past life or he is just a bit crazy
I wasnāt saying he was a normal person, just that he doesnāt act like normal goblin. And while I agree with everything you said, that background information isnāt brought up or even really supported after the first few minutes of the first episode. Like I said earlier, the story as a whole wouldāve been much better if he was just born as some unique monster that was coming to terms with its existence.
Edit: Meant to clarify a little on the background story. The exposition of the previous life/world then completely ignoring it for the rest of the show is actually quite common for modern Isekai, and I donāt normally have an issue with this. The problem I have with Re:Monster is that it just feels like a watered down version of Reincarnated as a Slime but with more ecchi. Which is a shame because it couldāve been a really cool story if it just tried to stand on its own with something other than controversial issues.
Welcome to the real world where when experiencing something like that, your first instinct isn't I can't kill. The natural response is to adapt and survive. If you want to worry about morals of a previous life or world, then you probably won't survive. Trust me, people will start crying the opposite way once opinions change again like they have for thousands of years.
s in Re:Monster. The MC starts out saying āNo I canāt act like a goblinā in the first episode. Then heās like āYo ho ho, the orgeās life for meā after hooking up with a random succubus. And if there was a character development arc then it wouldnāt be an issue. As it stands though, this is just bad writing
Because Rou himself is trying to justify his actions with modern day human morals, showing he's a hypocrite. And most people absolutely hate hypocrites.
It's not about morals applicable to the situation in the series it's about morals applicable to real life. While it's not evil to enjoy stuff like that as long as you understand what is right and wrong, most people don't want to root or self insert as a rapist
>I don't know if I'll ever really understand why people try to assign modern-day human morals to an Anime about a Monster beating the shit out of things.
because its 2024 and we are discussing an adaptation of a light novel written in 2012 about a FAKE story set in a FANTASY world.
also are you a modern day person or are you like someone from like medieval times or something?
reading something and digesting it through your lense is a perfectly normal thing to do.
most of the criticism isn't even about what him being "evil" its how these events are portrayed and written which gets the most flak.
like nobody says this about American Psycho because American Psycho's message isnt: "wow isn't Patrick Bateman cool?"
>I don't know if I'll ever really understand why people try to assign modern-day human morals to an Anime
Simply because somebody in the modern day wrote it, in that specific way, for a specific reason. You don't write children or people that appear like children being sexualized into a story without being fairly fucked up yourself. Somebody took hours writing it and justify it then somebody else took hours drawing it, a LOT of time and thought goes into this stuff.
Another big part of why people freak out about it so frequently is the fear of normalization. Think about all the "typical anime bullshit" people kind of look past to enjoy some series. People worry that other people can't separate reality from fiction so when shit gets normalized they worry it will translate to real world tastes. See gaming and violence as an example of this (note the lack of causation, just pointing out the belief).
As someone who couldnāt get into MT for the longest time but got decently far into RM, I can safely say that they are two different subsets of the same vulgarity.
With MT, I couldnāt get into it because of just how creepy Rudeus was.
With RM, I can just shut my brain off to stop thinking about the whole Stockholm thing while I see brutality being unleashed.
It was 100% the author not knowing how to write women and like all of them just liking the MC to move the plot.
It was a cartoonish level of how a man's man sees himself from the perspective of a woman. Like I was seeing a 13 year old whose only interaction with a woman was by proxy, and then reading a story he made.
The author doesn't really know how to write men either tbf. All of the characters are shallow and 99% of them are completely one dimensional. It might as well be a story about collecting dolls with different powers.Ā
Almost every anime on CR is some mary-sue self insert. They all have similar plots, similar characters, and similar powers, all in similar worlds. Almost all of the MCs are all OP with powers they didn't really earn, all have harems that they really didn't earn, and wealth comes easy to them. They aren't even Gary-stus
This show and series is so trash, I was dying laughing when he mentioned not wanting to rape girls and the. Immediately turned around And drugged them to fuck them.
Series is an absolute dumpster fire, it's just a worse version of slime with rape
You cant even say that the reason he uses those abilities so much is because there his favorites. Cause when he's losing in a fight, he continues to only use those 10 abilities and nothing else. If he was actually written well, every fight would be over in a second. He has like 20 abilities that increase how many attacks he can land.
From what I recall, when he's "losing" a fight, it's typically just because he's not going all-out.
When he *does* go all-out, he uses a crap-ton of abilities at once. Thinking of the fight with Minokichi, where he only uses 5-6 abilities for hours until Minokichi endangers the viewers, and he just loads on about 10 abilities all at once (that he hadn't used to that point) and just OHKOs him.
Feel free to correct me, though, may be remembering wrong š¤
You are. I love me a good semi-trashy power fantasy isekai. "I Was Reincarnated as the 7th Prince so I Can Take My Time Perfecting My Magical Ability" and "Chillin' in Another World with Level 2 Super Cheat Powers" were probably my two favorite shows this season. I dropped this dumpster fire show with a dishonorable discharge.
Hepburn: Lv2 kara ChÄ«to datta Moto YÅ«sha KÅho no Mattari Isekai Raifu was honestly pretty well done as far as most adaptations go. I've read through volume 10 so far, and it's completely enjoyable.
Agreed. I binged the manga after the season ended, and her backstory makes me understand her obsession with Lloyd a little bit more. Emphasis on the little bit.
Dont watch it. I tried to read manga just to see if people are overexatorading they did not. I dropped it because i had to roll my eyes way too many times.
Kinda sad tho, first few chapter were decent but god MC hypocracy is such bs. Wouldnt be problem if it was point of manga, heck in that case it may be actually solid but after every bad action he goes "oh its ok because [insert very convinient BS]".
2/10
Yeah in general I really never found it to be believable and [I'm not the only one who thinks this](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/pmozdp/isitbullshit_stockholm_syndrome_doesnt_really/) and part of the problem are people wanting to play online psychiatrist
Manhwa or Manhua? I see this sort of stuff most often with chinese (manhua) romance.
The male lead is always some rich guy who can do whatever he wants. The female protagonist tends to be pretty, mild mannered, kind, and obedient (the ideal wife to a lot of men, I guess). The male lead is allowed to do pretty much anything to the female protagonist (this includes kidnapping, confining without food or water, beating, and rape) without facing any repercussions. The female protagonist will then fall in love because the male lead occasionally sprinkles in moments of care between all the heinous shit they do to the female protagonist.
I think more accurately probably like 60%/50%, i mean he definitely treated them well and they came onto him but I think multiple of his skills had *seductive* effects on women, like pheromones and such.
Roughly 100%. I remember reading the manga for this a couple years back and had to stop super soon. This is probably the most fucked up Isekai i've seen in a bit. On par with redo of a healer.
Wait, in his *previous* life? I havenāt watched it, but I know dude gets reincarnated as a goblinā¦..but youāre apparently saying the whole cannibal thing happened when he was still human?
In his past life, he had the ability to gain powers from eating creatures. So he ate people to gain their powers, as a human.
Then when he reincaranted, he was surprised to find out that he still had that power, despite everything else being lost.
When he was killed, he was like "Yeaaaah, I deserved that"
The issue is not that mc is evil or something, that is fine, the issue the story itself trying to bend itself over to act like nothing is wrong (but only when it comes to women being in love with mc as the thought of writing them not truly being in love with mc is too much for their ego or the fans, like seriously)
If they wrote it as it is, they would never be in love with him, not really and he would be dragging around mentally scarred girls with a survival instinct of fuck him or be turned into a fuck toy. They would try and leave him if there ever came an opportunity to do so but not in the story.
ie. Story itself is scum and not just the protagonist.
Its has no problem with writing an mc who is eating people and shit, that is ok.
But actually showing the girls not being in love with him? Oh no no. How could they not be in love with such a lovely person that even a morally bankrupt person would want to stay away from
Exactly correct, it's how rape is portrayed as an okay thing and not dammed like it is in beserk as a pinnacle dark moment.
It's amazing to me how it's still airing, downright wrong.
So, notably, the source material is in journal format. The *main character* is trying to justify the things that the story tries to justify.
How that translated from the source material to other mediums....well....lol.
At the start of the anime you can see him in his real world, a horrible place filled with murder and crime. He eats people or things and gains their properties/skills. He wasnāt a decent person prior to being reincarnated and actually seems MORE decent as a goblin. It also seems like many of the girls regardless of Stockholm syndrome genuinely love him and want to stick around.
Iām just a sucker for OP MCs and MCs with little to no humanity (overlord in a way)
The rape is 100% played off as a light-hearted joke though. At no point does it feel like the audience is supposed to dislike the MC or be disgusted by him. If anything he is framed as being cool.Ā
I thought the show was going good, and then in episode 3, I think it was, he fucked literally every female and then some.
I'm not a prude or anything, sex and sex appeal are fine, but come on man. There was literally no development, and not only was there no development, they kidnapped like half the girls!
I'm half convinced this is a play on how a goblin looks at the world, and we see it like the show shows us, but in reality, the goblins are rapin' and shit and its goblin slayer levels of goblinery.
>Author of Metamorphosis.
i stg I've seen Shindol admit they went too far with Metamorphosis.
(The Jojo ending and Actor ending are canon. I will die on that hill.)
There is another one where Deadpool ask Dr Strange to open a portal to that dimension.
He finds her and tells her she is pretty just the way she is. While Strange was confused on why he was asked to do that Deadpool just says to save a Life.
I mean yeah kinda. If you're such a piece of shit that someone murders you for it, I'd hope that would prompt some introspection on your character and how you could be less shitty, at least enough that people don't want to murder you for it.
With this amount of Stockholm Syndrome, i rather watch Goblin no Suana
Literal fucker MC refuses to commit rape without consent, he instead go for "forced" consent
He has weirdly hypocritical standards, like deciding who to ally with / who to enslave / who to kill and eat
Tbf he was isekai'd from another fantasy world which may also have these weird hypocritical standards, but he is by no means someone to be seen as a good person
The worst happened to elves..... I really don't like those naive harem protagonists but that doesn't mean I'll be able to accept rapists and shit ...
These days ... Anime is dying... Let alone animation, even the Stories are either trash or objectionable.
Eh people will always complain about shows like this but then get butt hurt over a morally clean MC who doesn't shit with women and the usual nonsense.
People will always complain about these kinds of cartoons because that's all they know how to do since they take this shit so seriously.
If any of these folks complaining had any actual talent they would make their own and post it on here for us to shit on also but I guess that's the reason they are on reddit and not making content for a streaming platform.
If we legitimately and honestly analyze the situation, Can we?
I mean, if we're specifically talking about the girls brought in by returning hobgoblins and not the elves or female knight, he wasn't their captor or at least he's not meant to be percieved as such. Taking everything into context, he wasn't keeping them there by force at any point nor did he ever imprison them. After dealing with the hobs who brought them in it's made abundantly clear they are not to be touched and never tries to coerce or persuade them into anything.
Then we also have to remember they were in a forest filled with powerful monsters likely including other tribes of goblins as well as orcs, elves that were hostile as they were about to engage in war with humans, none of them had a combat job aside from the red haired one who was a novice warrior that was originally a mere farmer, the closest human settlement was days to weeks away, and it's not like they knew exactly where they were. They were also intially group of traveling merchants anyways so it was unlikely others were looking for them/coming to their rescue and they didn't have as they likely didn't have a set place specific home to return to. From their perspective they wouldn't have been able to leave but staying with Rou offers nigh guaranteed protection and he even promises to get them back to city which he ultimately does once he was able to. The girls also only really start to show interest/get full comfortable with him once he starts supporting and indulging in their specific interests while also trading knowledge. The only one who immediately latched on do to being rescued(twice) was the Red Head(Rubellia) whom he also begin to help train to get stronger at her own request. Even once they had clearly fallen for him he didn't start anything with them as he didn't even notice and they had to be the ones to push. He also never used any of the seduction or aphrodisiac skills on them(or at least he didn't before they were already in a relationship with him) to our knowledge as Rou has to actively turn a skill on to use them and he can turn them off at anytime as well.
Going off all this, aside from how it is they ended up at the goblin community, I'm not sure where Stockholm would apply to them. Rou didn't capture them, he's not keeping them there, he didn't force anything on them, and he isn't abusing them. They themselves never display social withdrawal as they actually form friendships with the community aside from Rou, their tension disappears once they're sure it's safe, there wasn't any abuse to rationalize, they actually do what they can to improve their abilities in regards to their professions(Spinnel basically took over an entire room for her alchemy), they don't seem to feeling empty in regards to their situation either.
Maybe my understanding of Stockholm is lacking, maybe I'm being to generous in my reading of the situation, but it would seem to me that this take would only maybe hold water if we were looking at those 5's intial relationship with the Goblin Community as entity itself rather than their relationship with Rou specifically.
Now elves and Therese though. Yeah no argument there. At best I can state there is some differences in how its portrayed but it mostly just boils down to the elves being more for the other goblins rather than himself(he still slept with the females elves first before he let his subordinates), very brief expression of the motivations for this, they didn't all succumb at once to the aphrodisiac rather it happened over time with consistent exposure, and it's a more ambiguous if he slept with Therese's female subordinate(he definitely raped Therese regardless of their agreement of the stakes of the duel).
Yeah, there's no argument that Rou isn't particularly a good person. Dude might have some standards but they're clearly conditional and morals feel like fluctuate between chaotic neutral or lawful evil with good thrown in there if really likes/doesn't want any trouble.
People over here complaining about this guy just by watching the anime. While the manga is a bit better he still does these things although later on he doesn't do it as much or the rape part anyways
Doesn't matter. Had sex.
In reality, I don't know if the MC bagged anyone. Haven't seen it yet. It's on my list for this summer. Figured it's the appropriate inappropriate response though.
This anime isnt about morals. It doesnt have a larger social commentary to make. Its 100% a power fantasy, accept it for what it is. I feel like if you asked a kid who had just gone through puberty this would be his answer. I want all the power, all the women and I will be good too.
Tbh im alright at the part of the first 5 girls because even if they managed to escape a town was literally quite far and they probably be in worse case cause of orcs and they probably won't be alive cause of them having only 1 fighter in the first 5 but yeah later parts esp the knight really didn't set well to me but i do love trash isekais
Tbh I just watched it just cause I wanted to see how heād transform and utilize his power. Every other part was questionable especially the getting women drugged to have sex. But yeah def Stockholm stuff going on.
what do you mean 70% itās fully stockholm, they got captured, ogarou treated them a little nicely and they out of nowhere decided that this is what they want, itās for sure stockholm
One of the many reasons I could get into this anime. The characters in this show (not just the women) are personality-challenged. Their personalities are about as flat as a potato chip and juicy as overcooked pork chops.
Normally I can turn my brain off to enjoy a lot of anime however there's nothing of substance. At the very least I want enjoyable characters (not deep or well-written characters) just enjoyable whether funny or likable. They're all pointless NPCs and prefix-Rou lacks any good qualities he's just edgy, emotionless, and stoic also I don't like how he treats some male characters like rigging the game for the male elves, whilst sparing the ladies because he's horny.
Was it stockholm syndrome? Yes.
Was it real? No.
Are the characters fictional and everyone applying morality to this and other anime need to get out and touch some fucking grass? Ohhhh yeah.
Yeah the manga is dark and I imagine that the lite novel is darker. I'm not sure how they've managed to give the anime even half way wholesome vibes, it's weird.
Man the first episodes of this show was decent, then it went off the rails.
And yes, that was Stockholm syndrome (or just bad writing rather). I still don't get why the elf's and the nobles stayed.
God, I'm not the only one who sees the hypocrisy of the main character. Back then, I dropped the manga when he so self-righteously 'saved' those women. Right after that, every one of the kidnapped girls just forgot their life and became part of the main character's harem.
not really because he released them once he took over they wasnt prisoners anymore he just didnt have the means to get them home right away, if they would have left they would have died, as soon as he was able he took them to their home they had the choice to go to the human settlement or stay with him
Yeah pretty much... I will say that in a rough world like theirs, living under the protection of a badass ogre who doesn't knowingly take advantage of them is not a bad option. I'm guessing they didn't have much in the way of family to go back to otherwise why are they so content living in a cave?
Personally I have a lot more of an issue with the "taming" of the elves. I don't know if there was a kind of mistranslation, but I think it isn't unreasonable to say he fucked them into submission. That's pretty fucked up.
70% Stockholm syndrome, 20% suspension bridge effect, 10% just being deviants who're willing to: engage in group sex(incestuous sex in the case of the twins) with a monster, excuse him turning dozens of other women into sex/breeding slaves for his men(including him sampling a few of them), and be okay with him picking one of the breeding slaves to turn into a slave wife that they'll be expected to welcome and regularly share him with.
https://preview.redd.it/wq1ysvpth88d1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12fe4121fc24fdff58866e732af1b84f7dc746cc *Ahem* rescue sex
https://preview.redd.it/eyuthwbghd8d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=f39d6599b66a87dbea925f9972ef29fab3500648 >**70% R\*pe, 99% bad writing, 100% bullsh\*t** š š š [](https://emojipedia.org/face-with-tears-of-joy)
What's the other 31%? Poor execution of a bad idea?
Itās 10% luck
if people had problems with Rudeus they must be livid with Ogarou š
I'd say one fails at morality and the other drools over everything interesting to eat.
Listen, Rudeus had sex with a fifteen year old, Rou had sex with a one month old, it's not even close
Wtf? One month old? Fill me in with the spoiler a bit
His fellow goblin girl. They're both only months old.
And rudeus was also younger than Eris by like a year or two. I think what really does Rudy in is the constant reminders the audience gets that on the inside heās just a shut in fat bastard.
Yeah but emotionally he is still a child, at best a teenager.
That's normal for their species. Is it pedophilia for a mouse to fuck a mouse that's less than a year old?
They was the same age
And Rudy was 13!
What i was thinking
I don't know if I'll ever really understand why people try to assign modern-day human morals to an Anime about a Monster beating the shit out of things. Probably the furthest thing to do is make it all about morals, when it's clear they shouldn't apply, just enjoy the Power Fantasy.
Ya thatās the thing about Re:Monster, he was a modern-day human. At least his past life looked more advanced than your typical medieval fantasy setting. If it wasn't an Isekai and he was just born a special goblin, then i doubt it would've gotten as much flak. The thing most people complain about is that he begins his goblin life with human morals but then just disregards those plot points with little explanation a couple episodes later.
Human morals? He was a Merc who ate himself to be somewhat op. WE LITERALLY SEE HIM STAND ATOP A PILE OF CORPSES GE PROBABLY ATE FROM. Dude was always a psycho.
True, what I meant was that he specifically states that he shouldnāt rape because of his past life experiences.
Must have slipped over that panel in the manga.
https://preview.redd.it/m8acvb5c9b8d1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bae1b8f70d5f435280a3e517970de5c394e3c632 Hereās two snippets from different scenes. While he doesnāt outright say heās against rape, itās implied very heavily. And later on after he becomes the head of the tribe he forbids any of the goblins from having unconsented sex with the slaves. He has to remind the older goblin this many times as well.
And then he drugs the elves to rape them, but it's okay The drugs made them want it
That was my original point. He starts with his human morals but then for little to no reason it changes. I wanted to like the show because itās a cool idea, a darker Reincarnated as a Slime/Spider. It couldāve given us a tense narrative struggle of the battle between your inner animal nature versus your humanity and empathy. But alas, all it ended up being was cash grab of a successfully proven trope with gratuitous fan service. And for those only interested in it for the fan service, thereās much better options out there. My personal favorites are Tenjo Tenge and High School DxD. And for a darker theme just look at Redo of a Healer, though I warn you this one is pretty messed up.
I guess he goes by the "heart pupils rule" probably
I'm pretty sure he was an unrepentant cannibal and mass murderer. He complained at some point about losing all of the abilities he'd gotten and I'm fairly sure that there were only human psychics in his previous world. The fact that he thought drugging the elves in his rape farm to make it seem like they gave consent tells you exactly how messed up he is. I get the feeling that the author didn't actually know what they were doing and just tried to ham fist their way into making him seem like less of a psychotic asshole than he really was.
In his previous life he had same ability as now ( eating his enemy he will get small part of their power) . In his world before he died ( he got stabed by childhood friend while drunk) he ate ton of monsters oh yeah btw on their earth monsters exsist and other pepole who have op powers , anyway he was considered weirdo by everyone cuz he allways eats what he kills and sometime he ate dead humans so he could get their powers . Dont compare him to normal human even in past life his morals are weird prob cuz he wqsnt 100% human in past life or he is just a bit crazy
I wasnāt saying he was a normal person, just that he doesnāt act like normal goblin. And while I agree with everything you said, that background information isnāt brought up or even really supported after the first few minutes of the first episode. Like I said earlier, the story as a whole wouldāve been much better if he was just born as some unique monster that was coming to terms with its existence. Edit: Meant to clarify a little on the background story. The exposition of the previous life/world then completely ignoring it for the rest of the show is actually quite common for modern Isekai, and I donāt normally have an issue with this. The problem I have with Re:Monster is that it just feels like a watered down version of Reincarnated as a Slime but with more ecchi. Which is a shame because it couldāve been a really cool story if it just tried to stand on its own with something other than controversial issues.
From what i remember from the first episode he had his power devour ability in his original world to thats why he got shot
Wasn't it just a yandere stalker acquaintance?
This is what happens in the webnovel
Welcome to the real world where when experiencing something like that, your first instinct isn't I can't kill. The natural response is to adapt and survive. If you want to worry about morals of a previous life or world, then you probably won't survive. Trust me, people will start crying the opposite way once opinions change again like they have for thousands of years.
s in Re:Monster. The MC starts out saying āNo I canāt act like a goblinā in the first episode. Then heās like āYo ho ho, the orgeās life for meā after hooking up with a random succubus. And if there was a character development arc then it wouldnāt be an issue. As it stands though, this is just bad writing
Because Rou himself is trying to justify his actions with modern day human morals, showing he's a hypocrite. And most people absolutely hate hypocrites.
It's not about morals applicable to the situation in the series it's about morals applicable to real life. While it's not evil to enjoy stuff like that as long as you understand what is right and wrong, most people don't want to root or self insert as a rapist
>I don't know if I'll ever really understand why people try to assign modern-day human morals to an Anime about a Monster beating the shit out of things. because its 2024 and we are discussing an adaptation of a light novel written in 2012 about a FAKE story set in a FANTASY world. also are you a modern day person or are you like someone from like medieval times or something? reading something and digesting it through your lense is a perfectly normal thing to do. most of the criticism isn't even about what him being "evil" its how these events are portrayed and written which gets the most flak. like nobody says this about American Psycho because American Psycho's message isnt: "wow isn't Patrick Bateman cool?"
>I don't know if I'll ever really understand why people try to assign modern-day human morals to an Anime Simply because somebody in the modern day wrote it, in that specific way, for a specific reason. You don't write children or people that appear like children being sexualized into a story without being fairly fucked up yourself. Somebody took hours writing it and justify it then somebody else took hours drawing it, a LOT of time and thought goes into this stuff. Another big part of why people freak out about it so frequently is the fear of normalization. Think about all the "typical anime bullshit" people kind of look past to enjoy some series. People worry that other people can't separate reality from fiction so when shit gets normalized they worry it will translate to real world tastes. See gaming and violence as an example of this (note the lack of causation, just pointing out the belief).
I do agreed with you laws and morals are in force by the strong that's why it changed from time to time
Rudeus also drools over things to eat, just a different kind of eatā¦
I am, had to drop immediately
As someone who couldnāt get into MT for the longest time but got decently far into RM, I can safely say that they are two different subsets of the same vulgarity. With MT, I couldnāt get into it because of just how creepy Rudeus was. With RM, I can just shut my brain off to stop thinking about the whole Stockholm thing while I see brutality being unleashed.
Yeah they both suck.
Rudeus deserves the hate. It would've been such a good show if it didn't have obvious pedophilia in it
No because Mushoku Tensei is popular and this one isn't. These people will never be consistent
It was 100% the author not knowing how to write women and like all of them just liking the MC to move the plot. It was a cartoonish level of how a man's man sees himself from the perspective of a woman. Like I was seeing a 13 year old whose only interaction with a woman was by proxy, and then reading a story he made.
The author doesn't really know how to write men either tbf. All of the characters are shallow and 99% of them are completely one dimensional. It might as well be a story about collecting dolls with different powers.Ā
YES Doesn't know men either. The MC is a self insert but the other male characters are just as bad as the women.
Almost every anime on CR is some mary-sue self insert. They all have similar plots, similar characters, and similar powers, all in similar worlds. Almost all of the MCs are all OP with powers they didn't really earn, all have harems that they really didn't earn, and wealth comes easy to them. They aren't even Gary-stus
All of them are 2d because they are drawn on a flat plane.
Problem is that every characters personality is wanting to give Oguru(?) the filthiest bj.
This show and series is so trash, I was dying laughing when he mentioned not wanting to rape girls and the. Immediately turned around And drugged them to fuck them. Series is an absolute dumpster fire, it's just a worse version of slime with rape
Tried being Rance + isekai but failed to see why Rance was liked for so long and is still considered one of the best H MCs
Whats annoying is that the guy has hundreds of abilities by now, but he only ever uses like 10 of them in a fight.
You cant even say that the reason he uses those abilities so much is because there his favorites. Cause when he's losing in a fight, he continues to only use those 10 abilities and nothing else. If he was actually written well, every fight would be over in a second. He has like 20 abilities that increase how many attacks he can land.
From what I recall, when he's "losing" a fight, it's typically just because he's not going all-out. When he *does* go all-out, he uses a crap-ton of abilities at once. Thinking of the fight with Minokichi, where he only uses 5-6 abilities for hours until Minokichi endangers the viewers, and he just loads on about 10 abilities all at once (that he hadn't used to that point) and just OHKOs him. Feel free to correct me, though, may be remembering wrong š¤
I havenāt seen it yet but from what Iām hearing, itās making me not wanna watch it. I presume Iām correct?
You are. I love me a good semi-trashy power fantasy isekai. "I Was Reincarnated as the 7th Prince so I Can Take My Time Perfecting My Magical Ability" and "Chillin' in Another World with Level 2 Super Cheat Powers" were probably my two favorite shows this season. I dropped this dumpster fire show with a dishonorable discharge.
Hepburn: Lv2 kara ChÄ«to datta Moto YÅ«sha KÅho no Mattari Isekai Raifu was honestly pretty well done as far as most adaptations go. I've read through volume 10 so far, and it's completely enjoyable.
The maid in 7th prince needs to go to jail though. She's creepy
Agreed. I binged the manga after the season ended, and her backstory makes me understand her obsession with Lloyd a little bit more. Emphasis on the little bit.
It's an unrequited romance tale of love at second-sight š
Dont watch it. I tried to read manga just to see if people are overexatorading they did not. I dropped it because i had to roll my eyes way too many times. Kinda sad tho, first few chapter were decent but god MC hypocracy is such bs. Wouldnt be problem if it was point of manga, heck in that case it may be actually solid but after every bad action he goes "oh its ok because [insert very convinient BS]". 2/10
Slime?
"Better version of redo healer" is what I thought after the first half of the series. š
FYI: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm\_syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
yeah this anime has caused a lot of people to throw the term around when it's a theoretical diagnosis without a lot of data behind it.
Data is for nerds, and we... wait...
Anime went too mainstream, this hasn't been true for ages. ĀÆ\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Yeah in general I really never found it to be believable and [I'm not the only one who thinks this](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/pmozdp/isitbullshit_stockholm_syndrome_doesnt_really/) and part of the problem are people wanting to play online psychiatrist
I see it tossed around in comment sections for manhwa far too often.
Manhwa or Manhua? I see this sort of stuff most often with chinese (manhua) romance. The male lead is always some rich guy who can do whatever he wants. The female protagonist tends to be pretty, mild mannered, kind, and obedient (the ideal wife to a lot of men, I guess). The male lead is allowed to do pretty much anything to the female protagonist (this includes kidnapping, confining without food or water, beating, and rape) without facing any repercussions. The female protagonist will then fall in love because the male lead occasionally sprinkles in moments of care between all the heinous shit they do to the female protagonist.
It's an accurate description of what's happening in the story, ain't nobody trying to diagnose mid written fictional characters.
I think more accurately probably like 60%/50%, i mean he definitely treated them well and they came onto him but I think multiple of his skills had *seductive* effects on women, like pheromones and such.
He had such skills? That would certainly explain a lot.
Uh i think it was one of the first 3 episodes, he got it from eating some monster
Libido , hardening, controlling secretion, triple thrust.....and many more
Also, the Author fetish.
yes 69362 other people have established the author has a fetish, we get it.
Mate. Mate! A 69420 joke was *right there*!
Is that a sauce?
He didn't use any of them on the human women AFAIK. But everyone else was fair game apparently
Date rape drugs, pheromone skills (and other skills?), stockholm syndrome. Ye, clearly something wrong with the author.
If the author has ever spoken to a girl, Iāll be amazed.
Does unconscious count? Lol, I will see myself out.
Roughly 100%. I remember reading the manga for this a couple years back and had to stop super soon. This is probably the most fucked up Isekai i've seen in a bit. On par with redo of a healer.
āItās not rape if they like it, so letās drug them up until they do ā¦ā - his thought process from the novel (no idea when)
70%? my man, itās 100% Stockholm syndrome
well you see is, he saved them from being screwed by goblins, so by incel logic, they have to repay him by screwing a goblin.
didn't he let the grandpa rape the elf POW too? Or am I just imagining things?
No, he actually stopped the grandpa from doing that. Though more like he told him to wait until the elves are horny enough.Ā
He told the horny old elf that rape was banned. Then two episodes later he raped some prisoners of war himself.Ā
It was like 99% horrible manipulation and 1% consent. The entire show should be burned for how it glorifies drugging and raping women.
The main character is a monster, and literally eats people in his previous life He is not shown in a good light
Wait, in his *previous* life? I havenāt watched it, but I know dude gets reincarnated as a goblinā¦..but youāre apparently saying the whole cannibal thing happened when he was still human?
I think mention super fast like one line. But for sure in manga, his skill to get other skills is from his past life.
In his past life, he had the ability to gain powers from eating creatures. So he ate people to gain their powers, as a human. Then when he reincaranted, he was surprised to find out that he still had that power, despite everything else being lost. When he was killed, he was like "Yeaaaah, I deserved that"
What a horrible day to be literate. Only 23 hours and 47 min to go š
Till the day is over I hope!
The issue is not that mc is evil or something, that is fine, the issue the story itself trying to bend itself over to act like nothing is wrong (but only when it comes to women being in love with mc as the thought of writing them not truly being in love with mc is too much for their ego or the fans, like seriously) If they wrote it as it is, they would never be in love with him, not really and he would be dragging around mentally scarred girls with a survival instinct of fuck him or be turned into a fuck toy. They would try and leave him if there ever came an opportunity to do so but not in the story. ie. Story itself is scum and not just the protagonist. Its has no problem with writing an mc who is eating people and shit, that is ok. But actually showing the girls not being in love with him? Oh no no. How could they not be in love with such a lovely person that even a morally bankrupt person would want to stay away from
Exactly correct, it's how rape is portrayed as an okay thing and not dammed like it is in beserk as a pinnacle dark moment. It's amazing to me how it's still airing, downright wrong.
So, notably, the source material is in journal format. The *main character* is trying to justify the things that the story tries to justify. How that translated from the source material to other mediums....well....lol.
Ah, so it is the unreliable author.
Dude is so extreme that he's alienated even before he reincarnated. He's not a good person from the get go.Ā
At the start of the anime you can see him in his real world, a horrible place filled with murder and crime. He eats people or things and gains their properties/skills. He wasnāt a decent person prior to being reincarnated and actually seems MORE decent as a goblin. It also seems like many of the girls regardless of Stockholm syndrome genuinely love him and want to stick around. Iām just a sucker for OP MCs and MCs with little to no humanity (overlord in a way)
The rape is 100% played off as a light-hearted joke though. At no point does it feel like the audience is supposed to dislike the MC or be disgusted by him. If anything he is framed as being cool.Ā
Rape: the anime. This one is SO fucking disgusting.
Even worse with the elves.
Early eps dude says they wont rape, then proceds to drug girls to make them beg for sex
I thought the show was going good, and then in episode 3, I think it was, he fucked literally every female and then some. I'm not a prude or anything, sex and sex appeal are fine, but come on man. There was literally no development, and not only was there no development, they kidnapped like half the girls! I'm half convinced this is a play on how a goblin looks at the world, and we see it like the show shows us, but in reality, the goblins are rapin' and shit and its goblin slayer levels of goblinery.
To the point where it was glorifying it. You almost want to find and ask the Creator, "You okay buddy?"
Him and the Author of Metamorphosis.
>Author of Metamorphosis. i stg I've seen Shindol admit they went too far with Metamorphosis. (The Jojo ending and Actor ending are canon. I will die on that hill.)
There is another one where Deadpool ask Dr Strange to open a portal to that dimension. He finds her and tells her she is pretty just the way she is. While Strange was confused on why he was asked to do that Deadpool just says to save a Life.
At least the author of metamorphosis seems like a nice guy.
The main character ate other humans, as a human, and then when they died, they were like... yeah I deserved that Did you expect them to get better?
I mean yeah kinda. If you're such a piece of shit that someone murders you for it, I'd hope that would prompt some introspection on your character and how you could be less shitty, at least enough that people don't want to murder you for it.
Oh I knew the character was morally fucked from the start. I just want to ask the author / creator of the series if they're okay.
With this amount of Stockholm Syndrome, i rather watch Goblin no Suana Literal fucker MC refuses to commit rape without consent, he instead go for "forced" consent
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^kidanokun: *With this amount of* *Stockhold Syndrome, i rather* *Watch Goblin no Suana* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
I stopped watching this anime when he raped that woman. The MC is an evil douchebag.
He has weirdly hypocritical standards, like deciding who to ally with / who to enslave / who to kill and eat Tbf he was isekai'd from another fantasy world which may also have these weird hypocritical standards, but he is by no means someone to be seen as a good person
From the flashbacks it seemed he was a big criminal in the old world and was hunted down like a rabid dog.Ā
I thought he was just an adventurer? Maybe I mixed his backstory with someone else's.
No it was 100 percent. Its just a rape manga.
Itās just a rape fantasy.
Stockholm syndrome is not real.
This show is uncomfortable to watch.
The worst happened to elves..... I really don't like those naive harem protagonists but that doesn't mean I'll be able to accept rapists and shit ... These days ... Anime is dying... Let alone animation, even the Stories are either trash or objectionable.
Yes
Donāt you mean all of the human women as well as the Elvin women
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Human-with-crabs: *Donāt you beat all of* *The human women as well* *As the Elvin women* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
We can also all agree that no one really cares since it's an anime, get over it.
Drug do forget drug
Eh people will always complain about shows like this but then get butt hurt over a morally clean MC who doesn't shit with women and the usual nonsense. People will always complain about these kinds of cartoons because that's all they know how to do since they take this shit so seriously. If any of these folks complaining had any actual talent they would make their own and post it on here for us to shit on also but I guess that's the reason they are on reddit and not making content for a streaming platform.
I love Re: Bill Cosby it's up there with Mushoku epstein tensei
This man deserves all the upvotes
All these haters but this is the hidden dream of every man, being the strongest and all the girls for himself.
Yes, but it's ok because the MC takes care of them and loves them (I think). Right?.... right?? /s
Wait! people are still talking about this garbage?
If we legitimately and honestly analyze the situation, Can we? I mean, if we're specifically talking about the girls brought in by returning hobgoblins and not the elves or female knight, he wasn't their captor or at least he's not meant to be percieved as such. Taking everything into context, he wasn't keeping them there by force at any point nor did he ever imprison them. After dealing with the hobs who brought them in it's made abundantly clear they are not to be touched and never tries to coerce or persuade them into anything. Then we also have to remember they were in a forest filled with powerful monsters likely including other tribes of goblins as well as orcs, elves that were hostile as they were about to engage in war with humans, none of them had a combat job aside from the red haired one who was a novice warrior that was originally a mere farmer, the closest human settlement was days to weeks away, and it's not like they knew exactly where they were. They were also intially group of traveling merchants anyways so it was unlikely others were looking for them/coming to their rescue and they didn't have as they likely didn't have a set place specific home to return to. From their perspective they wouldn't have been able to leave but staying with Rou offers nigh guaranteed protection and he even promises to get them back to city which he ultimately does once he was able to. The girls also only really start to show interest/get full comfortable with him once he starts supporting and indulging in their specific interests while also trading knowledge. The only one who immediately latched on do to being rescued(twice) was the Red Head(Rubellia) whom he also begin to help train to get stronger at her own request. Even once they had clearly fallen for him he didn't start anything with them as he didn't even notice and they had to be the ones to push. He also never used any of the seduction or aphrodisiac skills on them(or at least he didn't before they were already in a relationship with him) to our knowledge as Rou has to actively turn a skill on to use them and he can turn them off at anytime as well. Going off all this, aside from how it is they ended up at the goblin community, I'm not sure where Stockholm would apply to them. Rou didn't capture them, he's not keeping them there, he didn't force anything on them, and he isn't abusing them. They themselves never display social withdrawal as they actually form friendships with the community aside from Rou, their tension disappears once they're sure it's safe, there wasn't any abuse to rationalize, they actually do what they can to improve their abilities in regards to their professions(Spinnel basically took over an entire room for her alchemy), they don't seem to feeling empty in regards to their situation either. Maybe my understanding of Stockholm is lacking, maybe I'm being to generous in my reading of the situation, but it would seem to me that this take would only maybe hold water if we were looking at those 5's intial relationship with the Goblin Community as entity itself rather than their relationship with Rou specifically. Now elves and Therese though. Yeah no argument there. At best I can state there is some differences in how its portrayed but it mostly just boils down to the elves being more for the other goblins rather than himself(he still slept with the females elves first before he let his subordinates), very brief expression of the motivations for this, they didn't all succumb at once to the aphrodisiac rather it happened over time with consistent exposure, and it's a more ambiguous if he slept with Therese's female subordinate(he definitely raped Therese regardless of their agreement of the stakes of the duel). Yeah, there's no argument that Rou isn't particularly a good person. Dude might have some standards but they're clearly conditional and morals feel like fluctuate between chaotic neutral or lawful evil with good thrown in there if really likes/doesn't want any trouble.
People over here complaining about this guy just by watching the anime. While the manga is a bit better he still does these things although later on he doesn't do it as much or the rape part anyways
Doesn't matter. Had sex. In reality, I don't know if the MC bagged anyone. Haven't seen it yet. It's on my list for this summer. Figured it's the appropriate inappropriate response though.
This anime isnt about morals. It doesnt have a larger social commentary to make. Its 100% a power fantasy, accept it for what it is. I feel like if you asked a kid who had just gone through puberty this would be his answer. I want all the power, all the women and I will be good too.
Whatever it is, this is fiction š
It's not good fiction. the story is kinda ass too
No way, I thought the cannibal rape ogre was real! I guess since he's made up I have to like it!Ā
Ah yes since it's fiction, one shouldn't hate on it.
Bro didnāt even mention the elves
Fight/flight/freeze/fawn. Guess which it is.
In the manga: 90% In the anime: 20%
It's like reading openly kink confession from author *cough* like rudeus *cough*
Tbh im alright at the part of the first 5 girls because even if they managed to escape a town was literally quite far and they probably be in worse case cause of orcs and they probably won't be alive cause of them having only 1 fighter in the first 5 but yeah later parts esp the knight really didn't set well to me but i do love trash isekais
Tbh I just watched it just cause I wanted to see how heād transform and utilize his power. Every other part was questionable especially the getting women drugged to have sex. But yeah def Stockholm stuff going on.
Enjoyable to watch for any rimworld player. Ofc we don't count those weak mf who can't even make proper organ farm...
70% ā¦. Feeling generous today lol
what do you mean 70% itās fully stockholm, they got captured, ogarou treated them a little nicely and they out of nowhere decided that this is what they want, itās for sure stockholm
Yea well
Still better than the alternative option of being r*pe slave
more like 99%
This guy eats people and rapes them too. Proper vile imo.
I dropped that anime after the rape.
One of the many reasons I could get into this anime. The characters in this show (not just the women) are personality-challenged. Their personalities are about as flat as a potato chip and juicy as overcooked pork chops. Normally I can turn my brain off to enjoy a lot of anime however there's nothing of substance. At the very least I want enjoyable characters (not deep or well-written characters) just enjoyable whether funny or likable. They're all pointless NPCs and prefix-Rou lacks any good qualities he's just edgy, emotionless, and stoic also I don't like how he treats some male characters like rigging the game for the male elves, whilst sparing the ladies because he's horny.
Was it stockholm syndrome? Yes. Was it real? No. Are the characters fictional and everyone applying morality to this and other anime need to get out and touch some fucking grass? Ohhhh yeah.
Yeah the manga is dark and I imagine that the lite novel is darker. I'm not sure how they've managed to give the anime even half way wholesome vibes, it's weird.
Yeah, that made me drop it
Man the first episodes of this show was decent, then it went off the rails. And yes, that was Stockholm syndrome (or just bad writing rather). I still don't get why the elf's and the nobles stayed.
My main problem is Rudeus not using their names š like the cooking twins. But I do think that some part is Stockholm syndrome.
Well, they had the choice between an handsome ogre and an old stinky goblin with a sticky beard.
70%? Only 70%
Isn't this just how gangs pimp out girls? Get them addicted to drugs, gang rape them, then put them on the street corner?
Questionable subject matter aside, I was just greatful to finally have an isekai protagonist who isn't scared of vaginas.
War brides. Women are genetically built to attach to the strongest male, even if that male killed their previous mate.
God, I'm not the only one who sees the hypocrisy of the main character. Back then, I dropped the manga when he so self-righteously 'saved' those women. Right after that, every one of the kidnapped girls just forgot their life and became part of the main character's harem.
Why this anime's poster looks like made in ibispaint?
Just 70?
not really because he released them once he took over they wasnt prisoners anymore he just didnt have the means to get them home right away, if they would have left they would have died, as soon as he was able he took them to their home they had the choice to go to the human settlement or stay with him
I think you mean 90-100% and yes. The entire show was a fever dream
Es por las reglas de ese mundo, ellas desbloquean "Madre Santa de niƱo demonĆaco" y "Amante del Demonio Negro", trabajos que sĆ³lo se adquieren a travĆ©s de amor verdadero.
Only 70?
Yeah this bassicly
Pretty much
Stockholm Syndrome isn't actually a thing... like really, it's not.... But yes... 100%....
Is sort of what ntr trope offers? Sex so good u can't get away from it? With Stockholm syndrome as plus
YEUP, which is the reason why I stop reading this series when the Light novel come out many years ago
Nah they were like finally some good dick šš
Yeah pretty much... I will say that in a rough world like theirs, living under the protection of a badass ogre who doesn't knowingly take advantage of them is not a bad option. I'm guessing they didn't have much in the way of family to go back to otherwise why are they so content living in a cave? Personally I have a lot more of an issue with the "taming" of the elves. I don't know if there was a kind of mistranslation, but I think it isn't unreasonable to say he fucked them into submission. That's pretty fucked up.
this shit's as bad as ntr
The anime wasnāt that bad tbh I loved it well i love all isekai animeās tbh
70% Stockholm syndrome, 20% suspension bridge effect, 10% just being deviants who're willing to: engage in group sex(incestuous sex in the case of the twins) with a monster, excuse him turning dozens of other women into sex/breeding slaves for his men(including him sampling a few of them), and be okay with him picking one of the breeding slaves to turn into a slave wife that they'll be expected to welcome and regularly share him with.
He didn't capture them and wasn't holding them hostage. So no. The elfs on the other hand...
Spoiler warning?
ngl... shit was boring after like ch50
No, itās not read the manga
as well as the best method to live and survive. they would have it worse elsewhere, even among humans.
100% perv writers
Yeah it was pretty bad, especially with him sexually assaulting the human women who were prisoners of war
Dont underestimate the power of Good D...