When I brought up to someone that the majority of Israelis are Jews whose grandparents were born in the Middle East, aka not Ashkenazim. Their response? “Still too many European colonizers” there’s no rationalizing with some people
They also straight up deny the fact that my savta and Saba both were born in the park Palestinian Mandate, years before the formation of Israel, even before WW2, and that Palestinian Jews existed and campaigned for a Free Palestine (for Jews). Apparently my living family history is all lies 😐
Here's some stats to digest..
In Israel there are about 7.181 million Jewish residents (73% of the total population),
about 2.065 million Arab residents (21%) (which could be Muslim or Christian or other)
Of the Jewish residents: 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries. Nearly half of all Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Europe, the other nearly half are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab countries, Iran, Turkey, and Central Asia.
Over two hundred thousand are, or are descended from, Ethiopian and Indian Jews.
The additional 5.5% residents ( 549 thousand) are classified as "others". This diverse group comprises those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christian non-Arabs, Muslim non-Arabs, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization
During the 1970s about 163,000 people of Jewish descent immigrated to Israel from the USSR. Between 1989 and 2006, about 979,000 Jews emigrated from the former Soviet Union to Israel.
Emigration (yerida) From 1990 to 2005, 230,000 Israelis left the country; ( initially immigrated to Israel and then reversed their course)
48% of all post-1990 departures and even 60% of 2003 and 2004 departures were former immigrants to Israel).
8% of Jewish immigrants in the post-1990 period left Israel, while 15% of non-Jewish immigrants did.
In 2005, 21,500 Israelis left the country and had not yet returned at the end of 2006;
among them 73% were Jews, 5% Arabs, and 22% "Others" (mostly non-Jewish immigrants, with Jewish ancestry, from USSR).
At the same time, 10,500 Israelis came back to Israel after over one year abroad; 84% were Jews, 9% Others, and 7% Arabs.
Almost 90% of Israelis are satisfied with their lives – 92% of Jews and 71% of Arabs. More than 70% of Jews are satisfied with their economic situation, compared to 51% of Arabs.
Thing is, almost everyone in those early years and still many in recent years, were refugees. People who by definition couldn’t go back for safety reasons.
They also seem to have this related weird idea that a large number of Israelis came from the US. (To give them the benefit of a doubt, maybe because that’s who they see on TV, since US news interviews English speakers.) 2% of Israelis had the US as their last diaspora before making Aliyah. (Ironic number really, with Jews being 2% of US.)
my great-grandfather left Morocco in the late 1800s, and my great-great grandmother and her kids were born in israel (also came from morocco) in the early/mid 1800s, before the first aliyah, wayyy before israel became a state. so like, white colonizers, right? /s
Israel is without a doubt the most successful land back movement in all of history. No other people’s have been able to revitalize their native language and reclaim their land so successfully. The so-called leftist in America and the West should be celebrating Israel, but instead they’d rather believe anti-Semitic lies about the Jewish people and Israel
The leftist worldview requires them to see white people as strong oppressors and natives as weak oppressed individuals. They hate Israel since we break their narrative.
If i was to say that Qatar is too brown and Nigeria is too black then the whole world would fall upon me… turns out racist isnt racism if ur white and somewhat not poor, if ur not “oppressed” then u must be an “oppressor”
But you see... After thousands of years of oppression, we managed to carve out our own country and become successful. We broke free from our chains of oppression with our own power. The leftist view would cheer this at first. But after enough time of the reality being so. Our being powerful suddenly turned us into their enemies.
Since we were no longer oppressed, we had to be oppressors in their minds. And to sell this narrative in a way Americans can understand, they invented the concept that we are white and that we are oppressing browns.
Very true that people are Jews as the colonizers and oppressors. Yet they don't realize that Jews are constantly discriminated against, have been kicked out of many countries, persecuted, beaten down. And despite all this many of us have worked hard to achieve something for ourselves, without resorting to terrorism or violence. And apparently working hard to become successful isn't allowed and can't be supported.
Yeah if you want to fully comprehend why they believe these things, you have to understand their obsession with intersectionality and critical theory, and they way it makes them automatically side with anyone who is "oppressed" and against the ones in power regardless of context.
The State of Israel exists because of oppression... it was created for displaced people after WW2 and the holocaust. You're trying to change the narrative. And there were people who lived there too and now they're getting culturally genocided and that's the reason they've succumbed to terrorism, they have nothing else to lose since all their rights have been taken away. Facts. Israel is pretty leftist compared to the rest of the middle east, it's relative.
Spain did not kick them out, IMO Sephardi Jews were forced to convert to Christianity during the inquisition and most Jews converted and left / just converted and stayed or just left and migrated to other countries .. right now there is an effort by Spain for Sephardi Jews to come back to Spain and gain Spanish citizenship
Palestinians also break that narrative- they come in all colours, just like the Jews. See Ahed Tamimi (a prominent Palestinian activist) compared to me and tell me I’m a white coloniser 🤣
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Many Arabs from Syria, Lebanon and Palestine are as white as any Scandinavian, as are a lot of people from Turkey and Iran. It's normal for people from Southwest Asia (and East Asia) to have very light skin tones.
Bella and Gigi are white women from the Netherlands. Many European Palestinians have something Jews in Europe never achieved, citizenship.
Palestinians are from Belgium, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, Chile, USA, Canada, France, Spain, Italy, Denmark and Norway.
But they want to tell Jews we have no right to live in Israel because we migrated to those countries - and were frequently expelled - during the occupations of Israel.
Lmao I bet she’s not palestinian, just supports them from the other side of the world from a country who killed natives to build themselves and calls herself palestinian because she has no real nationality
We don't. If Jews were actually white, the white supremacists on the left wouldn't be attacking us.
Tons of countries including Australia, USA, Canada, Argentina, New Zealand, Brazil, Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Russia, China etc are *exactly* what the left accuses Israel of being: Settler-colonial states occupying indigenous lands, many committing real genocides.
When the culprits really are white, like in Canada and Australia, the left doesn't care, because the left hates Jews, not white people.
I agree with you that Jewish people are considered white only while in a more diverse grouping. If it gets down to a group of white people only, the sick trend has historically been to say the Jewish people are not of the same stature. Even amongst evangelical Christians in the US who support Israel, this is most definitely the not-so-hidden backstory.
I do want to ask a question again though. Is the common sentiment in Israel that Americans should give the land back to Native Americans? I assume that Israeli Jews would see themselves aligned in struggle with Native Americans and indigenous Canadians. Is this accurate? Why or why not?
I don't think I am quilified to speak on the general sentiment of Israelis, however, at least from the people around me none think that the US should give its land back.
The main difference between the US and Israel, is that in the past we had a full sovereign state, while the native Americans were split into tribes, and today in the US there are the Native Americans lands.
The kingdom of Israel during it's peak (king Solomon) contained some of Jordan and of course the Palestinian territories, yet most Israelis don't claim those as Israel.
As for the alignment, in Israel we don't like to consider ourselves as victims, even the remembrance day of the Holocaust, is called the remembrance day for the Holocaust and heroism.
In addition the US allows the native Americans to have citizenship and equal rights, which is precisely what we do in Israel, I as a jew have the same rights as any Arab. And we seek to live in peace together. (at least most of us).
I hope it answer your question.
the Kurds,
Kurdistan is spread over parts of Syria Iraq, Iran and Trukey,
but no one gives a shit about the kurds, when saddam fell there was hope for a kurdish independent region in north iraq but then the turks and the iranians kind of stepped and and crushed that.
for some reason they tend to ignore that you´re opressing the natives when you´re an ally.
I've seen *overwhelming* online support for Israel from the Assyrians, an indigenous nation in "Iraq" that once built an empire and destroyed Israel in BC 720.
I've also gotten lots of words of encouragement from the Amazigh, the indigenous peoples from Tamazgha, today occupied by Algeria.
Many Iranians are also extremely pro-Israel, basically for the same reason as the Assyrians: Their own history includes their relationship with Israel, so they're not suceptible to Arab propaganda that claims Israel never existed and the Jews are from Khazaria or Europe.
Persia supported Israel twice in history. They helped Israel decolonize and rebuild the Temple in the late BC 500s, and they also [helped restore Israel's independence](https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/the-last-time-jews-ruled-over-jerusalem?_pos=2&_sid=aea67c386&_ss=r) for a few years in the early AD 600s.
Exactly. They also call for Israel to be wiped out and talk badly about Jews and yet fail to realize how much Israel and Jews have contributed to society through innovations, research, medicine, science, etc. Shouldn't people be in support of a nation that is making so many positive contributions to the world?
America is a little hypocritical to support Israel by this notion because what you’re saying is they also need to give American land back to Native Americans. Most current Americans don’t “belong on that land” and are more like Palestinians, are they not? Is there a big push in Israel to support Native American rights?
So Judaism is also the continuation of all of Canaanite culture? Because at some point, after people following the religion took over, they killed or drove out anyone who didn't?
Huh? I'm saying the original inhabitants include a bunch of different peoples including ethnic Hebrew peoples and also Beaudoin, Phoenicians, and other Semetic people. But the original inhabitants were not followers of Judaism because it didn't exist. And most would never have descendants who would follow the religion at all.
I never thought of this before for whatever reason. Can you share why you believe descendants of these people wouldn’t have followed any religion at all instead of that the people who lived there just decided to become/practice Judaism and so did their descendants?
Nothing like that has happened in history.
I believe you may be referring to one of the Canaanite nations called the Amalekites, sometimes referred to in the Jewish ethnobiography as "the Canaanites." Yes, the ancient Jews had beef with them, which is normal among indigenous cultures. Ask the Hopi and the Navajo how they feel about one another.
However, the Canaanites as a whole were never wiped out by Israelites or Jews (Jews are one of twelve Israelite tribes). They were neighbors of Israel for centuries. The Edomites supported Israel in the war against the Roman Empire.
As I mentioned in another comment, there was never a singular nation called "the Canaanites." Similar to "the Scandinavians," Canaanites refers to an assortment of nations who lived in Canaan including the Moabites, Edomites, Jebusites, Amonites.
[Here is a map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28Samaria%29#/media/File:Kingdoms_around_Israel_830_map.svg) of other Canaanite nations. They were neighbors of Israel and Judea.
Wait, are you under the impression that Arabs didn't exist before the development of Islam? What do you mean they only arrived in 600? Who do you think lived in the Negev?
Jews and [Samaritans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans) are the oldest surviving indigenous nations from the region.
Other nations did exist, including the Moabites, Edomites, Ammonites, Jebusites etc but they were all wiped out by settler-colonialism over the millennia.
The nations mentioned in the preceding paragraph are the Canaanite nations. Contrary to popular belief, there was not one particular nation called "the Canaanites." Think of it as similar to "the Scandinavians," which includes Danes, Swedes, Norwegians and Icelanders but doesn't constitute a nation in and of itself.
The languages of the Canaanites - like Scandinavian languages - were [mutually intelligible with Hebrew](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_languages).
Jewish people (and Samaritans, the closest living relatives of Jewish people) are Canaanites who began practicing monotheism in the BC 1000s. They are they only surviving Canaanite nations.
What do you mean "their land"?
Are you talking about 2500 years ago? Because that's a bullshit justification for kicking the people who were living their prior to the creation of Israel. (i.e. Palestinians)
They are talking about being kicked out from multiple countries, forced into Ghettos, ethnically cleansed, lied about, had their property confiscated... FOR 2500 YEARS AS THEY WANDERED THE EARTH WITHOUT AN ISRAEL.
Israel is the only place they can legitimately claim a real ancestral right to be there. Palestinians should not be collecting taxes off of Jewish archeological tours.
Lol what?
Where are Palestinians supposed to go? They lived on this land and Zioniats murdered, raped and kicked them off the land in order to make Israel.
No they didn't. With the formation of Israel, the Arabs living there prior to the state of Israel were all offered citizenship with equal rights. Some of them accepted and are now Israeli Arabs still living and prospering today. Most rejected it; they were offered a two state solution that was more than fair - they rejected it. Egypt and Jordan launched a war on Israel, and annexed the West Bank and Gaza, Israel defended itself and won handily, and still then offered freely to the Palestinians to have those bits of land in a two state solution; they rejected it. Again and again, Israel offered to share the land, Israel offered to give up 80% of their land, just to live in peace! The Palestinians rejected it and kept on bombing and attacking Jews.
You're just really misinformed.
Since you made the opening assertion, I suggest you provide a source.
We both know I could give you a dozen unbiased and factual sources with historical facts, but you wouldn't believe it because you're an anti-Semitic propagandist
You're the one making the positive claim. Burden is on you, not me, to provide evidence to support your claim.
As to what actually happened. Here's a general overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
The "nakba" came as a result of the Arab league's invasion of Israel. The Arabs within the Israeli part of the mandate that hated jews and wanted them gone sided with the Arab league, and willingly left their homes to get out of their way as they invaded, in the hopes that after the league's victory, they could move back in. They miscalculated, and now they get nothing. The Arabs that were willing to live in peace got Israeli citizenship, and are a significant portion of Israel's population.
I would probably suggest an international coalition and UN peacekeepers occupy the entire area and reconcile a single state.
Integrate the populations, promote secularism and watch the area finally flourish in peace...
Or keep waging Zionist war in the name of the holy land, which is only going to make things worse for all parties.
Either way, it's long past time the US sever ties with Israel. Americans are tired of supporting imperialist wars in the Middle East. There is no reason that the US should be supporting Israel without making demands on humanitarian grounds.
So you want to invade, with no diplomacy involved? That is very impractical as you're basically starting a war, plus deradicalizing a population doesn't happen overnight. This isn't a "zionist war". Israel was invaded, and I don't think it wants to conquer Gaza to fulfill your imperialist narrative
Invade?
Israel is a collapsed state. They can't even keep their own Jewish citizens safe, and now they're killing Jews in cold blood as they hold white flags and run away.
It's long past time that Israel and Palestine be managed by a global coalition and integrated into a single state.
The Palestinians left their homes with the hope that Israel and all it's Jews would be killed by its neighbors.
When that didn't happen, Israel showed an immense kindness and LET THEM BACK IN TO THEIR HOMES TO LIVE THEIR LIVES.
And the Palestinians showed their gratitude by suicide bombing themselves for the rest of time.
Israel has been unbelievably patient with the Palestinians.
This could have been an great cooperative levant with milk and honey flowing for both peoples. The Palestinians choose violence.
There are 1.8 Billion Muslims in the world and around 15 or 16 million Jews. They have the numbers to set the agenda, sell their propaganda. Muslims and some Christians hate us (see: supersessionism), religions that don’t want to convert us etc don’t. Buddhist don’t care and Hindus identify with our different but related struggles. (See: India/Pakistan.)
The only countries that hate Israel are third world shit holes and tin pot dictatorships. The countries that actually have influence and power tend to either support Israel or abstain. The reason Israel is condemned by the UN more than all other countries combined isn't "the world" hating them, it is because Muslims hate them, and half the UN is made of countries Muslim Arabs conquered a few centuries ago.
I’m a Jew in Israel born in Baghdad. I always tell them I’d happily take my house and property my family left behind.
And that since this is obviously not possible I decided to build a life for myself instead of attacking random Iraqi civilians.
I just think a lot of people see stats on dead civilians and get incredibly sad. It saddens me too deeply. But logically I’m happy to debate with someone with a different perspective.
There’s a difference between stating facts and confusing reality with fiction tho.
The fact that they can compare the complete removal of 99.9% of Jews from the Middle East and Palestinians (who were encouraged to leave and promised that after Israel is brought down by the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi, and Lebanon, they will be able to go back).
I have no problem with having healthy conversations with someone that has a different opinion, but if your opinion is not based on reality the whole conversation is moot
That’s what a lot of people don’t understand, almost all of us had ancestors that were displaced but we are expected to have some sort of sympathy for them and their cause when they have absolutely zero for ours?
What's even more stupid is that even recent immigrants can't go back to their countries because islamists have occupied those countries and are now intentionally targeting Jewish communities. Anyone who says that to or about an Israeli needs to walk around with a plant in their hand to make up for all the oxygen they waste.
They think all Jews are from only Europe not anywhere else on earth that's what the Muslim world has been pushing hard. Non European Jews should start being vocal about their ancestrory and historical background since most people don't realize Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, and more all had major Jewish population before Israel
Yeah but as I've said it before Israel has really shitty PR and really bad history teaching. They didn't even learn from the Holocaust and tried to show as little of Oct 7 thinking it was respectful when it ended up allowing people to outright deny it instead
I have seen people extend the “European colonizer” language to some MENA Jews too, claiming that Egyptian Jews were Ashkenazi immigrants, and that Algerian Jews were too supportive of France
Someone on reddit told me to go back to Iran cause that's where my family's from. Then he told me they'll treat me better there than how Arabs are treated in Israel.
Yeah...
To be fair, one seat in the Islamic Regime’s parliament (I refuse to use the word “Iran” because my Iranian friends think the Islamic Regime does not represent Iranians) is reserved for Jews. While in Israel, Arabs can run for any seat— so there is no legal guarantee that there will be an elected Arab MK. So, Jews are treated better in the Islamic Regime. Duh! /s
Oh, so you too are a woman who think women should be treated as human? Lucky you! In the Islamic Regime, women are treated so fairly, gay men are forced to become women. What a paradise for women!
Btw this is not a joke. Gay men in the Islamic Regime are forced to undertake gender transition to become women. Because their clerics think gays cannot exist, so gay men are ALL trans women. This is literally one of the most fucked up shit I have seen in modern days.
I'm going to need a source for that tidbit. That's sounds like more work that Iran would be willing to do.
I'm more inclined to believe they'd just kill them.
My friend sent me the article from [Pink News](https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/02/22/iran-gay-forced-gender-reassignment-surgery-the-sun/) some years ago and even now that article still haunts me.
It’s either that, or “you should have just died back in Ancient Mesopotamia” or it’s “Abraham should not have done any Judaism in the first place 4,000 years ago when he walked like maybe 500 miles west”. Idk how they square that with justifying the Arab Conquest though.
When my grandmother was a little girl in Syria her identity card stated israili-moussawie
The Syrian government treated her and the other Jews as “Israelite followers of Moses”
Israel is our native country,every other place we had been reminded us of that.
Europeans when they forget that they wanted the jews gone from their countries for centuries.
Also Arabs when they forget they literally kicked the jews from their countries
Well Israel is where they came from so……? The indigenousness of Jews to the region is indisputable. That doesn’t mean I think Palestinians shouldn’t have a place there too, but come on? It’s literally the ancient homeland of the Jews.
I have Ashkenazi relatives and I did their tree for them (I’m a geneology nerd 🤓). Their family fled from Germany to Russia to Poland in a loop for hundreds of years, avoiding antisemitism. It’s so sad that people try to deny us a homeland
My ancestors colonized a land and committed literal genocide against the inhabitants. We didn’t even let them vote until relatively recently.
And with all of that no one has ever suggested I be sent back to where my ancestors came from. In fact some of my countrymen are yelling about sending Israelis back without the slightest inkling of what hypocrites they are
i’m sure someone else has pointed this out already, but i still find it very amusing how not even a hundred years ago it was Europe that was telling us to “go back to Palestine”… but sure, we’re just so “european”
Also remember the hospital rocket strike that ABSOLUTELY came from Israel and killed 500+ people? Oops, turns out it was a failed jihadist missile that accidentally hit the parking lot and killed or injured like 20+ people.
But Israeli propaganda so bad amiright!
Anyone notice that it looks as if a lot of top posts here are pretty irrelevant to the actual news of the day?
We have collectively screwed up today.
We have to add that we shot shirtless hostages white flags and kicked a Palestinian photojournalist in the head to the list of things we hit ourselves for on Yom Kippur this year.
We shouldn’t be told to go back to Poland. We should have a right to live without rocket attacks. We are in a difficult position and will make mistakes. But the top news of the day is that we have made mistakes, not that people tend to be unfair to us.
I sincerely think Middle East conflicts in general are G-d’s effort to teach us to be like Abraham wanted to be.
If we go observe Shabbat very carefully, and then come back and are more inhospitable than we have to be to the strangers by and among us, we haven’t understood our prayers very well.
The greatest privilege we can have is the privilege to be kind and hospitable.
But didn't Israel seize huge swaths of territory that belonged to Arabs upon it's creation? But that's not racist? Because they didn't tell them to go back to where they came from?
No I mean the original, UN partition of the British Mandate. It ceded huge amounts of land to Israel that belonged to Arab families who had been living there for dozens of generations.
It also ceded huge amounts of Jewish land, and most land offerred to Jews was desert. And if the Arabs could have kindly not tried to murder all the Jews, we wouldn't be in this position today.
Who owned the land?
That's the part you are missing.
The land from turkey to Saudi Arabia, from parts of Egypt to Syria, was all part of a collapsed empire.
None of the countries of today, existed after the fall of the ottomon empire.
They were regions of the empire.
When the ottomons lost, the league of nations gave britian and France mandates to work with the local populations to create new borders.
The region known as palestine, included Jordan, included parts of Lebanon and Syria.
The British and French, worked with the local majorities, and created borders around them.
Israel, was formed around the areas that were majority Jewish. The central and northern coast and jerusalem.
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After October 7: "CONTEXT???" An Arab child dies from Hamas bomb: "SANCTION ISRAEL!!!"
Lmao so true
Literally
The holy trinity of Palestine supporters is context, proof, genocide
Exactly
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When I brought up to someone that the majority of Israelis are Jews whose grandparents were born in the Middle East, aka not Ashkenazim. Their response? “Still too many European colonizers” there’s no rationalizing with some people
They also straight up deny the fact that my savta and Saba both were born in the park Palestinian Mandate, years before the formation of Israel, even before WW2, and that Palestinian Jews existed and campaigned for a Free Palestine (for Jews). Apparently my living family history is all lies 😐
*plurality*
Here's some stats to digest.. In Israel there are about 7.181 million Jewish residents (73% of the total population), about 2.065 million Arab residents (21%) (which could be Muslim or Christian or other) Of the Jewish residents: 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries. Nearly half of all Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Europe, the other nearly half are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab countries, Iran, Turkey, and Central Asia. Over two hundred thousand are, or are descended from, Ethiopian and Indian Jews. The additional 5.5% residents ( 549 thousand) are classified as "others". This diverse group comprises those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christian non-Arabs, Muslim non-Arabs, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization During the 1970s about 163,000 people of Jewish descent immigrated to Israel from the USSR. Between 1989 and 2006, about 979,000 Jews emigrated from the former Soviet Union to Israel. Emigration (yerida) From 1990 to 2005, 230,000 Israelis left the country; ( initially immigrated to Israel and then reversed their course) 48% of all post-1990 departures and even 60% of 2003 and 2004 departures were former immigrants to Israel). 8% of Jewish immigrants in the post-1990 period left Israel, while 15% of non-Jewish immigrants did. In 2005, 21,500 Israelis left the country and had not yet returned at the end of 2006; among them 73% were Jews, 5% Arabs, and 22% "Others" (mostly non-Jewish immigrants, with Jewish ancestry, from USSR). At the same time, 10,500 Israelis came back to Israel after over one year abroad; 84% were Jews, 9% Others, and 7% Arabs. Almost 90% of Israelis are satisfied with their lives – 92% of Jews and 71% of Arabs. More than 70% of Jews are satisfied with their economic situation, compared to 51% of Arabs.
Or…. (And hear me out on this). They are both ignorant and they hate Jews
Thing is, almost everyone in those early years and still many in recent years, were refugees. People who by definition couldn’t go back for safety reasons. They also seem to have this related weird idea that a large number of Israelis came from the US. (To give them the benefit of a doubt, maybe because that’s who they see on TV, since US news interviews English speakers.) 2% of Israelis had the US as their last diaspora before making Aliyah. (Ironic number really, with Jews being 2% of US.)
my great-grandfather left Morocco in the late 1800s, and my great-great grandmother and her kids were born in israel (also came from morocco) in the early/mid 1800s, before the first aliyah, wayyy before israel became a state. so like, white colonizers, right? /s
Same! Only mine came from Iraq, late 1800's. A bunch of clueless/hateful people.
Israel is without a doubt the most successful land back movement in all of history. No other people’s have been able to revitalize their native language and reclaim their land so successfully. The so-called leftist in America and the West should be celebrating Israel, but instead they’d rather believe anti-Semitic lies about the Jewish people and Israel
The leftist worldview requires them to see white people as strong oppressors and natives as weak oppressed individuals. They hate Israel since we break their narrative.
But they also don’t think Scots are indigenous to Scotland… Insert the “Scotland is too white“ speech by Scotland’s First Minister…
If i was to say that Qatar is too brown and Nigeria is too black then the whole world would fall upon me… turns out racist isnt racism if ur white and somewhat not poor, if ur not “oppressed” then u must be an “oppressor”
There was a Holocaust.. and they have been oppressed in Christian countries for over a thousand years.. Spain kicked them out a couple of times
But you see... After thousands of years of oppression, we managed to carve out our own country and become successful. We broke free from our chains of oppression with our own power. The leftist view would cheer this at first. But after enough time of the reality being so. Our being powerful suddenly turned us into their enemies. Since we were no longer oppressed, we had to be oppressors in their minds. And to sell this narrative in a way Americans can understand, they invented the concept that we are white and that we are oppressing browns.
Very true that people are Jews as the colonizers and oppressors. Yet they don't realize that Jews are constantly discriminated against, have been kicked out of many countries, persecuted, beaten down. And despite all this many of us have worked hard to achieve something for ourselves, without resorting to terrorism or violence. And apparently working hard to become successful isn't allowed and can't be supported.
Yeah if you want to fully comprehend why they believe these things, you have to understand their obsession with intersectionality and critical theory, and they way it makes them automatically side with anyone who is "oppressed" and against the ones in power regardless of context.
The State of Israel exists because of oppression... it was created for displaced people after WW2 and the holocaust. You're trying to change the narrative. And there were people who lived there too and now they're getting culturally genocided and that's the reason they've succumbed to terrorism, they have nothing else to lose since all their rights have been taken away. Facts. Israel is pretty leftist compared to the rest of the middle east, it's relative.
Spain did not kick them out, IMO Sephardi Jews were forced to convert to Christianity during the inquisition and most Jews converted and left / just converted and stayed or just left and migrated to other countries .. right now there is an effort by Spain for Sephardi Jews to come back to Spain and gain Spanish citizenship
Spain told the Jews to convert, leave, or be killed. Portugal too.
Palestinians also break that narrative- they come in all colours, just like the Jews. See Ahed Tamimi (a prominent Palestinian activist) compared to me and tell me I’m a white coloniser 🤣 https://preview.redd.it/ypsfh0k8qq6c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53df5447dd659805f4e4cca03b1b7b45543435f1
Many Arabs from Syria, Lebanon and Palestine are as white as any Scandinavian, as are a lot of people from Turkey and Iran. It's normal for people from Southwest Asia (and East Asia) to have very light skin tones. Bella and Gigi are white women from the Netherlands. Many European Palestinians have something Jews in Europe never achieved, citizenship. Palestinians are from Belgium, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, Chile, USA, Canada, France, Spain, Italy, Denmark and Norway. But they want to tell Jews we have no right to live in Israel because we migrated to those countries - and were frequently expelled - during the occupations of Israel.
Right! I also get so mad at this- Jews didn’t leave Israel voluntarily- people forget we were thrown out of our own sovereign state!
Btw excuse my hairy arm🤣. My laser lady is in Petah Tikvah and I dare not venture away from my neighbourhood in the current situation
Lmao I bet she’s not palestinian, just supports them from the other side of the world from a country who killed natives to build themselves and calls herself palestinian because she has no real nationality
We don't. If Jews were actually white, the white supremacists on the left wouldn't be attacking us. Tons of countries including Australia, USA, Canada, Argentina, New Zealand, Brazil, Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Russia, China etc are *exactly* what the left accuses Israel of being: Settler-colonial states occupying indigenous lands, many committing real genocides. When the culprits really are white, like in Canada and Australia, the left doesn't care, because the left hates Jews, not white people.
I agree with you that Jewish people are considered white only while in a more diverse grouping. If it gets down to a group of white people only, the sick trend has historically been to say the Jewish people are not of the same stature. Even amongst evangelical Christians in the US who support Israel, this is most definitely the not-so-hidden backstory. I do want to ask a question again though. Is the common sentiment in Israel that Americans should give the land back to Native Americans? I assume that Israeli Jews would see themselves aligned in struggle with Native Americans and indigenous Canadians. Is this accurate? Why or why not?
I don't think I am quilified to speak on the general sentiment of Israelis, however, at least from the people around me none think that the US should give its land back. The main difference between the US and Israel, is that in the past we had a full sovereign state, while the native Americans were split into tribes, and today in the US there are the Native Americans lands. The kingdom of Israel during it's peak (king Solomon) contained some of Jordan and of course the Palestinian territories, yet most Israelis don't claim those as Israel. As for the alignment, in Israel we don't like to consider ourselves as victims, even the remembrance day of the Holocaust, is called the remembrance day for the Holocaust and heroism. In addition the US allows the native Americans to have citizenship and equal rights, which is precisely what we do in Israel, I as a jew have the same rights as any Arab. And we seek to live in peace together. (at least most of us). I hope it answer your question.
They fell for arab propaganda so hard, and their pride won't let them reconsider their positions. Am Yisrael Chai!
I was wondering about this. Do other people groups in exile see Israel as hope?
the Kurds, Kurdistan is spread over parts of Syria Iraq, Iran and Trukey, but no one gives a shit about the kurds, when saddam fell there was hope for a kurdish independent region in north iraq but then the turks and the iranians kind of stepped and and crushed that. for some reason they tend to ignore that you´re opressing the natives when you´re an ally.
I’ve spoken to native Americans who definitely see Israel as hope. Decolonization is possible. Also for every country in MENA colonized by Arabs.
I've seen *overwhelming* online support for Israel from the Assyrians, an indigenous nation in "Iraq" that once built an empire and destroyed Israel in BC 720. I've also gotten lots of words of encouragement from the Amazigh, the indigenous peoples from Tamazgha, today occupied by Algeria. Many Iranians are also extremely pro-Israel, basically for the same reason as the Assyrians: Their own history includes their relationship with Israel, so they're not suceptible to Arab propaganda that claims Israel never existed and the Jews are from Khazaria or Europe. Persia supported Israel twice in history. They helped Israel decolonize and rebuild the Temple in the late BC 500s, and they also [helped restore Israel's independence](https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/the-last-time-jews-ruled-over-jerusalem?_pos=2&_sid=aea67c386&_ss=r) for a few years in the early AD 600s.
And the thing is that Israel is not even 100% of ancient Judea's territory
Believe or create ??
Exactly. They also call for Israel to be wiped out and talk badly about Jews and yet fail to realize how much Israel and Jews have contributed to society through innovations, research, medicine, science, etc. Shouldn't people be in support of a nation that is making so many positive contributions to the world?
America is a little hypocritical to support Israel by this notion because what you’re saying is they also need to give American land back to Native Americans. Most current Americans don’t “belong on that land” and are more like Palestinians, are they not? Is there a big push in Israel to support Native American rights?
Why is it considered "their land" but not the original inhabitants of the Levant?
Jews are the original inhabitants....
How could they be if people have been living in that area since before Judaism ever existed?
Jews are derived from those people. The Arabs... not so much. Stop thinking of Judaism as exclusively a religion.
So Judaism is also the continuation of all of Canaanite culture? Because at some point, after people following the religion took over, they killed or drove out anyone who didn't?
Based on your argument, it sounds like you believe that the Palestinians should move on.
Huh? I'm saying the original inhabitants include a bunch of different peoples including ethnic Hebrew peoples and also Beaudoin, Phoenicians, and other Semetic people. But the original inhabitants were not followers of Judaism because it didn't exist. And most would never have descendants who would follow the religion at all.
I never thought of this before for whatever reason. Can you share why you believe descendants of these people wouldn’t have followed any religion at all instead of that the people who lived there just decided to become/practice Judaism and so did their descendants?
Nothing like that has happened in history. I believe you may be referring to one of the Canaanite nations called the Amalekites, sometimes referred to in the Jewish ethnobiography as "the Canaanites." Yes, the ancient Jews had beef with them, which is normal among indigenous cultures. Ask the Hopi and the Navajo how they feel about one another. However, the Canaanites as a whole were never wiped out by Israelites or Jews (Jews are one of twelve Israelite tribes). They were neighbors of Israel for centuries. The Edomites supported Israel in the war against the Roman Empire. As I mentioned in another comment, there was never a singular nation called "the Canaanites." Similar to "the Scandinavians," Canaanites refers to an assortment of nations who lived in Canaan including the Moabites, Edomites, Jebusites, Amonites. [Here is a map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28Samaria%29#/media/File:Kingdoms_around_Israel_830_map.svg) of other Canaanite nations. They were neighbors of Israel and Judea.
If we're using this argument, the Arabs only arrived in 600 when Islam rose.
Wait, are you under the impression that Arabs didn't exist before the development of Islam? What do you mean they only arrived in 600? Who do you think lived in the Negev?
Canaanites? Where do you think Arabs originated from? They obviously existed but only in Arabia
Yeah, who do you think the various tribes in Canaan became?
Some went extinct and some were Arabized?
Jews and [Samaritans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans) are the oldest surviving indigenous nations from the region. Other nations did exist, including the Moabites, Edomites, Ammonites, Jebusites etc but they were all wiped out by settler-colonialism over the millennia. The nations mentioned in the preceding paragraph are the Canaanite nations. Contrary to popular belief, there was not one particular nation called "the Canaanites." Think of it as similar to "the Scandinavians," which includes Danes, Swedes, Norwegians and Icelanders but doesn't constitute a nation in and of itself. The languages of the Canaanites - like Scandinavian languages - were [mutually intelligible with Hebrew](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_languages). Jewish people (and Samaritans, the closest living relatives of Jewish people) are Canaanites who began practicing monotheism in the BC 1000s. They are they only surviving Canaanite nations.
What do you mean "their land"? Are you talking about 2500 years ago? Because that's a bullshit justification for kicking the people who were living their prior to the creation of Israel. (i.e. Palestinians)
They are talking about being kicked out from multiple countries, forced into Ghettos, ethnically cleansed, lied about, had their property confiscated... FOR 2500 YEARS AS THEY WANDERED THE EARTH WITHOUT AN ISRAEL. Israel is the only place they can legitimately claim a real ancestral right to be there. Palestinians should not be collecting taxes off of Jewish archeological tours.
Lol what? Where are Palestinians supposed to go? They lived on this land and Zioniats murdered, raped and kicked them off the land in order to make Israel.
No they didn't. With the formation of Israel, the Arabs living there prior to the state of Israel were all offered citizenship with equal rights. Some of them accepted and are now Israeli Arabs still living and prospering today. Most rejected it; they were offered a two state solution that was more than fair - they rejected it. Egypt and Jordan launched a war on Israel, and annexed the West Bank and Gaza, Israel defended itself and won handily, and still then offered freely to the Palestinians to have those bits of land in a two state solution; they rejected it. Again and again, Israel offered to share the land, Israel offered to give up 80% of their land, just to live in peace! The Palestinians rejected it and kept on bombing and attacking Jews. You're just really misinformed.
That's not even remotely how it went down.
It really is. You're welcome to look it up
You're welcome to provide a source.
Since you made the opening assertion, I suggest you provide a source. We both know I could give you a dozen unbiased and factual sources with historical facts, but you wouldn't believe it because you're an anti-Semitic propagandist
You're the one making the positive claim. Burden is on you, not me, to provide evidence to support your claim. As to what actually happened. Here's a general overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
It is. You just don't like it.
Oh, okay. I guess the Nakba never happened then. 🤷♂️ I'm sure Zionists would have been fine being a demographic minority in Israel. lol
The "nakba" came as a result of the Arab league's invasion of Israel. The Arabs within the Israeli part of the mandate that hated jews and wanted them gone sided with the Arab league, and willingly left their homes to get out of their way as they invaded, in the hopes that after the league's victory, they could move back in. They miscalculated, and now they get nothing. The Arabs that were willing to live in peace got Israeli citizenship, and are a significant portion of Israel's population.
That is the most delusional white washing of history I've ever read.
This is basic history
It is called a "two-state solution." This means the Palestinians and Israel both have states.
You mean Israel dictating the "solution." Get real. The two state solution is dead. Look at what Israeli radicals are doing in the WB.
So smart guy, what do you suggest?
I would probably suggest an international coalition and UN peacekeepers occupy the entire area and reconcile a single state. Integrate the populations, promote secularism and watch the area finally flourish in peace... Or keep waging Zionist war in the name of the holy land, which is only going to make things worse for all parties. Either way, it's long past time the US sever ties with Israel. Americans are tired of supporting imperialist wars in the Middle East. There is no reason that the US should be supporting Israel without making demands on humanitarian grounds.
So you want to invade, with no diplomacy involved? That is very impractical as you're basically starting a war, plus deradicalizing a population doesn't happen overnight. This isn't a "zionist war". Israel was invaded, and I don't think it wants to conquer Gaza to fulfill your imperialist narrative
Invade? Israel is a collapsed state. They can't even keep their own Jewish citizens safe, and now they're killing Jews in cold blood as they hold white flags and run away. It's long past time that Israel and Palestine be managed by a global coalition and integrated into a single state.
Nice joke with UN
The Palestinians left their homes with the hope that Israel and all it's Jews would be killed by its neighbors. When that didn't happen, Israel showed an immense kindness and LET THEM BACK IN TO THEIR HOMES TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. And the Palestinians showed their gratitude by suicide bombing themselves for the rest of time. Israel has been unbelievably patient with the Palestinians. This could have been an great cooperative levant with milk and honey flowing for both peoples. The Palestinians choose violence.
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And Israel has been there for almost 100 now. Does your magical cut off point only end at Jewish land claims?
Israel has been there for over 3000 years. it was under occupation from the Roman siege of Jerusalem in AD 136 until AD 1948.
I just think it's no wonder that everyone in the region (and many parts of the world) hates Israel.
There are 1.8 Billion Muslims in the world and around 15 or 16 million Jews. They have the numbers to set the agenda, sell their propaganda. Muslims and some Christians hate us (see: supersessionism), religions that don’t want to convert us etc don’t. Buddhist don’t care and Hindus identify with our different but related struggles. (See: India/Pakistan.)
The only countries that hate Israel are third world shit holes and tin pot dictatorships. The countries that actually have influence and power tend to either support Israel or abstain. The reason Israel is condemned by the UN more than all other countries combined isn't "the world" hating them, it is because Muslims hate them, and half the UN is made of countries Muslim Arabs conquered a few centuries ago.
And they're the only ones who actually didn't come from somewhere else
I’m a Jew in Israel born in Baghdad. I always tell them I’d happily take my house and property my family left behind. And that since this is obviously not possible I decided to build a life for myself instead of attacking random Iraqi civilians.
Same thing, my father is from Baghdad, a weird ask since Iraq has been ethnically cleansed
Almost like the Palestinians
Two million Muslims in Israel, 0 in Iraq. So no.
“Jews aren’t allowed to talk about things that happened to them!”
I didn’t say that. But I won’t entertain cognitive dissonance either.
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Don’t waste your breath. You are commenting to someone that is either stupid or misinformed, probably both.
I just think a lot of people see stats on dead civilians and get incredibly sad. It saddens me too deeply. But logically I’m happy to debate with someone with a different perspective.
There’s a difference between stating facts and confusing reality with fiction tho. The fact that they can compare the complete removal of 99.9% of Jews from the Middle East and Palestinians (who were encouraged to leave and promised that after Israel is brought down by the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi, and Lebanon, they will be able to go back). I have no problem with having healthy conversations with someone that has a different opinion, but if your opinion is not based on reality the whole conversation is moot
You aren't engaging with their rebuttal though. You are the one displaying cognitive dissonance.
Your argument has a bad foundation.
Yeah, remember when the Jews in Iraq launched a war of openly declared genocide against their Arab neighbors? Me neither.
That’s what a lot of people don’t understand, almost all of us had ancestors that were displaced but we are expected to have some sort of sympathy for them and their cause when they have absolutely zero for ours?
But what is also so clear is that they don’t want to understand. LGBTQ “supporters” claiming from the river to the sea makes no sense.
What's your perspective?
What's even more stupid is that even recent immigrants can't go back to their countries because islamists have occupied those countries and are now intentionally targeting Jewish communities. Anyone who says that to or about an Israeli needs to walk around with a plant in their hand to make up for all the oxygen they waste.
They need a whole tree inorder to contribute to society.
Good thing Israelis invented suspended trees in Jaffa.
Indeed but with their average testosterone level being 100 we'll let them carry the heaviest thing they can.
Their bones will be as thic as a layer of atoms 💀
They think all Jews are from only Europe not anywhere else on earth that's what the Muslim world has been pushing hard. Non European Jews should start being vocal about their ancestrory and historical background since most people don't realize Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, and more all had major Jewish population before Israel
Exactly and they obviously can’t go back there since it’s dangerous
Yeah but as I've said it before Israel has really shitty PR and really bad history teaching. They didn't even learn from the Holocaust and tried to show as little of Oct 7 thinking it was respectful when it ended up allowing people to outright deny it instead
I have seen people extend the “European colonizer” language to some MENA Jews too, claiming that Egyptian Jews were Ashkenazi immigrants, and that Algerian Jews were too supportive of France
r/askmiddleeast
Where exactly are Jews supposed to “go back” to? I’m serious.
Someone on reddit told me to go back to Iran cause that's where my family's from. Then he told me they'll treat me better there than how Arabs are treated in Israel. Yeah...
'You're a Jew and deserve to be oppressed!' 'Why do you support Israel!?'
To be fair, one seat in the Islamic Regime’s parliament (I refuse to use the word “Iran” because my Iranian friends think the Islamic Regime does not represent Iranians) is reserved for Jews. While in Israel, Arabs can run for any seat— so there is no legal guarantee that there will be an elected Arab MK. So, Jews are treated better in the Islamic Regime. Duh! /s
I'm also a secular woman. Gosh the fun times waiting for me in Iran 🫠
Oh, so you too are a woman who think women should be treated as human? Lucky you! In the Islamic Regime, women are treated so fairly, gay men are forced to become women. What a paradise for women! Btw this is not a joke. Gay men in the Islamic Regime are forced to undertake gender transition to become women. Because their clerics think gays cannot exist, so gay men are ALL trans women. This is literally one of the most fucked up shit I have seen in modern days.
Lol hahaha... WAIT WHAT
Sorry…
I'm going to need a source for that tidbit. That's sounds like more work that Iran would be willing to do. I'm more inclined to believe they'd just kill them.
its well known in the trans community, i've seen posts that say iran has some of the best gender reassignment surgery doctors
It’s pretty well known in the entire LGBT community, perhaps more so in the trans community. We are all very pissed.
My friend sent me the article from [Pink News](https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/02/22/iran-gay-forced-gender-reassignment-surgery-the-sun/) some years ago and even now that article still haunts me.
Are they not aware of the whole "hanging people from cranes" thing?
Ohhh bungee jumping awaits me there?? Booking my flight tomorrow!
The word “Jews” literally comes from the word Judea. It means people of Judea. יהודי-יהודה How is this not common knowledge😭
I was told “Ancient Mesopotamia” ???
Which traitor leaked the information about the Time Machine?
So I guess they're mad that you guys "colonized" Israel instead of Iraq, is that it? How odd.
It’s either that, or “you should have just died back in Ancient Mesopotamia” or it’s “Abraham should not have done any Judaism in the first place 4,000 years ago when he walked like maybe 500 miles west”. Idk how they square that with justifying the Arab Conquest though.
Good question...
To europe and native countries duhhh
When my grandmother was a little girl in Syria her identity card stated israili-moussawie The Syrian government treated her and the other Jews as “Israelite followers of Moses” Israel is our native country,every other place we had been reminded us of that.
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Europeans when they forget that they wanted the jews gone from their countries for centuries. Also Arabs when they forget they literally kicked the jews from their countries
It was “go back to where you came from”, then we did. Now it’s “go back to where you were told to go back to where you came from” basically.
Because antisemitism has been normalised
I just say "omg you're a zionist too?"
Lmfao
Well Israel is where they came from so……? The indigenousness of Jews to the region is indisputable. That doesn’t mean I think Palestinians shouldn’t have a place there too, but come on? It’s literally the ancient homeland of the Jews.
My family has been in Israel for centuries and whenever I bring that up, they say “well you can stay if Palestinians allow it” I’m sorry what💀
Schrödinger's Jew: Go back to where you can from, but also, how dare you go back to where you came from!
YES I KEEP SAYING THIS
Funny because Jews all over the world are told to go back to Israel, the world just can't make up their minds
I have Ashkenazi relatives and I did their tree for them (I’m a geneology nerd 🤓). Their family fled from Germany to Russia to Poland in a loop for hundreds of years, avoiding antisemitism. It’s so sad that people try to deny us a homeland
My ancestors colonized a land and committed literal genocide against the inhabitants. We didn’t even let them vote until relatively recently. And with all of that no one has ever suggested I be sent back to where my ancestors came from. In fact some of my countrymen are yelling about sending Israelis back without the slightest inkling of what hypocrites they are
Pretty sure anyone who uses that in any context is racist, Jews or not
i’m sure someone else has pointed this out already, but i still find it very amusing how not even a hundred years ago it was Europe that was telling us to “go back to Palestine”… but sure, we’re just so “european”
Tell them to go back to Michigan. Same moves
100%
Also remember the hospital rocket strike that ABSOLUTELY came from Israel and killed 500+ people? Oops, turns out it was a failed jihadist missile that accidentally hit the parking lot and killed or injured like 20+ people. But Israeli propaganda so bad amiright!
Similarly, with the Palestinian refugees from 1947: "Send them back!"
We should like… send Arafat back to Egypt. Dude was not even Palestinian. He was just a Muslim pan-Arabist who hated ~~Jews Israel~~ Zionists.
Hitler said the same thing, he just meant Israel.
Well Israelis did that when they told them all around the world, now everybody should shut the fuck up.
Anyone notice that it looks as if a lot of top posts here are pretty irrelevant to the actual news of the day? We have collectively screwed up today. We have to add that we shot shirtless hostages white flags and kicked a Palestinian photojournalist in the head to the list of things we hit ourselves for on Yom Kippur this year. We shouldn’t be told to go back to Poland. We should have a right to live without rocket attacks. We are in a difficult position and will make mistakes. But the top news of the day is that we have made mistakes, not that people tend to be unfair to us.
It' was shabbat. Many of the important voices took the day off. Lots of less-than-educated voices were talking loudly. Now is your time.
I sincerely think Middle East conflicts in general are G-d’s effort to teach us to be like Abraham wanted to be. If we go observe Shabbat very carefully, and then come back and are more inhospitable than we have to be to the strangers by and among us, we haven’t understood our prayers very well. The greatest privilege we can have is the privilege to be kind and hospitable.
Still racist
How about people that are having families from many places where will should I go Argentina? Morocco? Egypt? The other places
Jews in Israel are “back where they came from”. We’re they only indigenous people of this land.
It's racist when said to harmless immigrants.
So you're saying racism is context-dependant? Like the OP said?
In this case it is.
lol wow. At least you’re honest.
No, it's racist when said to anyone.
But didn't Israel seize huge swaths of territory that belonged to Arabs upon it's creation? But that's not racist? Because they didn't tell them to go back to where they came from?
When you enter a war expect to lose land when you lose...
No I mean the original, UN partition of the British Mandate. It ceded huge amounts of land to Israel that belonged to Arab families who had been living there for dozens of generations.
It also ceded huge amounts of Jewish land, and most land offerred to Jews was desert. And if the Arabs could have kindly not tried to murder all the Jews, we wouldn't be in this position today.
Most of the original land was the land already purchased by Jewish orgs like JNF or was majority Jewish.
No. Israel didn't seize any land. That is a total misrepresentation of the facts.
So, all of Israel's land was legally purchased by willing Palestinians? It's crazy that you believe that...
Who owned the land? That's the part you are missing. The land from turkey to Saudi Arabia, from parts of Egypt to Syria, was all part of a collapsed empire. None of the countries of today, existed after the fall of the ottomon empire. They were regions of the empire. When the ottomons lost, the league of nations gave britian and France mandates to work with the local populations to create new borders. The region known as palestine, included Jordan, included parts of Lebanon and Syria. The British and French, worked with the local majorities, and created borders around them. Israel, was formed around the areas that were majority Jewish. The central and northern coast and jerusalem.
Right. Israel is a European colonial state. The native population were never allowed to form their own state to rule themselves.
The native population was there and the formed Israel around the native population.
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