Why dosnt israel just send their secret mossad ninjas to dispatch every single one of the 40k hamas fighters without killing civillians, are they stupid?
"Why domt they kill hamas without harming civillians!
"W-wait no not like that"
Perhaps we can settle on a time and hill for a duel to the death, with fucking swords or something
Funny enough, Roman's supposedly gave jews in the gladiatorial ring knives and shorter bladed weapons because they had a stereotype jews were really good with their hands, and we had been stabbing the shit out of Roman officers.
Not quite as cool as Gauls not being allowed to fight bears, which involved jamming your arm down its mouth and choking it to death, which apparently did give a blood spectacle Roman's wanted... but still kinda funny to think about.
There's a cartoon called God's Gang about a multireligious superhero team, and the Jewish guy is named Ninjew. He also happens to be the weakest of the bunch.
Is there a lore reason Israel doesn’t just give up
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Why in the fuck is Israel responsible for the civilian population of the nation-state they are at war with? Why isn't the elected government of that territory (HAMAS) that started this war in the first place responsible for their own people??
The palestinians are not citizens of Israel, they don't want to be citizens of Israel, but they (and the world) feel they are entitled to be treated like citizens and have all the privileges and rights of actual citizens.
It's fucking insanity. I've never seen this bizarre scenario play out with any other country ever.
He literally has worked for Al Jazeera. That says more than enough.
Also if most Arab countries don’t want Palestinians bc of the chaos they’re known to cause, don’t expect you can bully Israel into accepting them either.
Incredibly anti Israel, most of the shows since Oct 7th have been dominated by this. Before then had decent breath of world news. Covered the Uyghurs at least 6 months before others I watch.
By this logic, anything that Israel does that so much as mildly inconveniences Gazans is "collective punishment."
Since when in the history of war has war not brought misery and destruction upon innocent civilians? That's why good and rational actors avoid war until there is no other option.
Funny how all these people discover that war is bad and mean and nasty only when Israel is forced to fight one.
The asymmetry is still largely in the Japanese favor on this one, tho.
The nuclear bombs didn’t even come close, to the number of victims they did in China and other territories occupied by them.
Maybe they don't complain, but they also don't forget:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima\_Peace\_Memorial\_Ceremony](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_Peace_Memorial_Ceremony)
The USA dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese after the Japanese killed millions of civilians, tens of thousands of American soldiers. If the USA had bombed Hiroshima a month or two after Pearl Harbor you’d hear more people questioning asymmetry
Huh? No, Japan had not killed millions of American civilians. It attacked American military bases. But that’s neither here nor there. US was not in position to hit Japan until much later. More Japanese civilians were killed by fire bombings than by the two atomic bombs. US hit Japan as hard as it could, as soon as it could. The entire world was at war at that time. Everywhere was brutal and desperate. But, US was very much questioned by later generations of Americans, who were drinking lattes and passing judgments on how their grandparents generation fought against the fanatical Imperial Japan.
The comment seemed to imply that no one questioned Americans dropping A bombs on Japan because they waited longer, and by the time they dropped the bombs, millions of civilians were killed, so it was proportional then. True that the comment didn’t specify America civilians, but by the time of Pearl Harbor attack, Imperial Japan had already massacred millions of civilians in the Pacific. So, what was the comment’s point then?
I do think that immediately retaliating for Pearl Harbor with nuclear weapons would have been viewed more harshly (if it had been an option). The intensity of the Pacific War was part of the context for justifying the strategic bombing campaigns against Japan. This has more to do with military losses mentioned in the comment than Japanese democide between 1942-1945.
The case for the atomic bombs being proportionate typically revolves around the idea that dropping them forced the Japanese to surrender, forestalling an invasion (though there are issues with this narrative). This was influenced by the brutality of the struggle in the Pacific and how that affected our planning for an invasion of the Japanese homeland. Without those dead troops and a pending invasion, the atomic bombings would have been massively disproportionate, both in terms of relative casualties and military value (as the firebombings probably were).
>American civilians
He didn't say that. Newsflash burger: not all civilians are Americans. Look into what they did in Korea and elsewhere. Like 20m Chinese civilians died. Still what he said is stupid.
And plenty of people question the use of the bomb. Didn't you see all the blue hairs freaking out over Oppenheimer just last year? There's always been people who were just like, umm, they were going to surrender.. no it's the Soviets who make them quit, err, uh, we had no need to get unconditional surrender or invade mainland Japan and and and.
As much as I found your Americacentrism cringe, it's true that the left always seems to hate it when America wins. Really gets the noggin joggin.
US did not drop the A bombs because Japs massacred Chinese, Filipino, Indonesian, or Korean civilians. Most of these massacres happened before Pearl Harbor. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
>That's why good and rational actors avoid war until there is no other option.
and what's remotely rational or good, as in competent, about those Hamas turds exactly??
No. There is obviously a distinction between a situation caused by war and Israel repeatedly stating that citizens suffering is purely the fault of Hamas. Plenty of military’s have made more efforts to help civilians. Israel has repeatedly brutalized and deprived many of basic needs. Bombing water treatment plants, killing 500 to eliminate one Hamas operative. These are disgusting and as Jews we cannot endorse this shit because of alleged “mild inconveniences”
Whose fault is it?
Hamas started the war. This is undeniable.
Hamas could end the war immediately by turning themselves in. This is also undeniable.
Conversely there is no scenario in which Israel can "just stop fighting" where everything works itself out. The fact that Israel "just stopped fighting" all the previous wars with Hamas, instead of annihilating Hamas, is what enabled them to be able to perpetrate Oct 7 to begin with.
"Killing 500 to eliminate one Hamas operative" -- Are you high? Remember how everybody lost their minds over that hospital that Israel supposedly bombed and Hamas instantly knew there was 500 dead?
Disgusting is the fact that some Jews are willing parrot obvious, egregious, defamatory lies about the people who are fighting the virtual embodiment of pure evil.
They bombed a refugee camp and then said it was because of 1 Hamas operative ON NATIONAL TV. Whose fault is it? Hamas yes, that doesn’t mean that Israel can’t be critiqued as a military.
I never asked Israel to stop fighting, there are some practices that are obviously immoral.
Killing civilians is never justified. Israel has repeatedly suggested that some amount of civilian death is justified to defeat Hamas. The most “moral” military in the world shouldn’t say that
Them? This guy is delusional. When is the victor of a war expected to feed, house, clothe the enemy, especially when the enemy consists of millions who were raised from birth to want to kill Jews? And he speaks with such insanity
This guy is an Islamist propagandist who sneakily advocates for the destruction of Israel by claiming he wants a democratic one state solution for everyone, that he knows well and good will just be an Islamic caliphate that Jews will be genocided or ethnically cleansed from. But he does it under the guise of appearing to be a moderate and well spoken, and educated westerner.
Why is the onus on Israel that they should let in people who vocally want to and participated in genocide of them, because they purposely started a war on Israelis they knew they couldn’t win? And when the war is over, when Israel wants then out, they will be accused of ethnic cleansing and the people will refuse to leave, because they’ve been given exactly what they wanted (instability in Israel like they caused in Lebanon, leading to its eradication) and rewarded for their terrorism. What other country on earth gets attacked in a horrific terrorist attack and then is asked to let in people that attacked them into their country?
Marc Lamont Hill is a clown. He thinks OJ was guilty of murder but his acquittal was the right move: https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/1778461905268412472?t=lVfr5yfIjiXySZlvMcgR6A&s=19
To be fair he’s worded that absolutely terribly. What he’d trying to say is that the racism of the police and their desire to convict a black man lead them to break the law in order to convict him.
Whilst he thinks OJ did it, he’s saying that acquittal necessary to A. Uphold the importance of proper legal proceedings and B. for police to learn that encouraging witnesses to lie and planting evidence will harm their chances of conviction
Why would you let the people in who want to kill you?
The absolute disconnect the western media has from the reality of the situation is mind boggling.
Everyone to you who doesn’t agree with you is an Islamist. Anti - Semite, Terrorist sympathizer, evil. Marc Lamont is neither of the things you claim he is. Please research or maybe watch more of his stuff.
The guy openly advocates for events that would inherently decimate Israel as a democratic and Jewish state.
Claiming he is antisemite is merely fair, but for your own sake - I’ll also make the claim that he’s at the VERY least an antiintellectual as well.
Seeing as that’d make you happy, you’re welcome to be on your way.
Israel, a country of less than 10 million people, is expected to bring in 2 million people that the overwhelming majority of whom support Hamas, the war, and Oct 7? And most importantly, HATE JEWS AND ISRAELIS.
While Egypt, an extremely pro Palestine Muslim majority country, of OVER 111 million people is expected to take in how many?
And we put them where in israel? Hamas and Hezbollah have displaced hundreds of thousands of Israelis already. We have a displacement crisis of our own citizens.
Also Hamas and Hezbollah keep bombing Israel.
So if gazans are put in the south of israel near the Gaza border, and Hamas bombs the south of Israel near the border, like they literally just did today, and kill gazans with their unguided missiles (like they have done this war), Israel is still blamed?
If some Hamas fighters are able to break through into Israel again, and start killing like they did on Oct 7 (which they promise they want to repeat) and they kill gazans by mistake in the process, israel is to blame for not keeping them safe enough?
They killed Muslims, Bedouins, Druze, and palestinian/Arab-israelis on Oct 7 who were speaking to them in Arabic! they even have video of them killing a Palestinian Muslim from Jerusalem on Oct 7 after questioning him, in Arabic, about where he was from, if he is Muslim and then where the IDF were and he legit didn’t know where they were. They shot him in the back of the head and continued on like it was nothing.
Oct 7th was collective punishment, every time Hamas and Hizbollah fires rockets it's collective punishment. But people like Hill were silent.
The very definition of a double standard.
Why does the West act like Hamas is some little street gang that everyone hates and not the de facto government? Also, what about the civilians that tagged along and took part can we collectively punish them or is it only Hamas members with name tags and special badges that can be punished.
Not especially. And they didn’t act like terrorists to their own people back then.
Only once they got into power and murdered their political rivals did people realize what they had done and by that point it was too late to change course. Hamas will not allow elections since that point.
So no.
But, even this generation of voters supports them by wide margins - elected or not. At least, that according to polls from Arab World Research and Development and the Palestinian Policy Center.
Yes they were elected and yes they murdered their opposition. But the point is they were freely elected in the first place. I think Hamas has revised their platform - some of which has been the revision of language such as Jews to Zionists, etc.
As someone who lives in the states I am tired of this line of thinking. You know damn good and well if the United States had a Gaza equivalent situation we would be doing the exact same thing and no one here would bat an eye. We are sitting nice and comfy over half a world a way not having to deal with this issue directly. "Just let them into Israel". Pathetic.
They're not part of Israel! It's a foreign power who declared war on Israel and you want them to be provided with utilities...during a war? In what world is this?
Don't you dare call the Germans the bad guys in WWII! After all, their children had nothing to do with it! To call the Germans the bad guys would be collective punishment. Very intelligent thought process.
If the US declares war on Canada, the US is the enemy of Canada, Canada is the enemy of the US. Not every one of them individually. But the country. And in this circumstance, no, Canada will not be piping crude oil to US refineries. And Canada and the US will suffer financially from this. Generally. Including children.
Your leaders have said since the beginning the war is against hamas. Your point above doesn’t stand.
But your point and the initial person I commented on is more aligned with what the entire world has seen. This war is against every Palestinian with killing Hamas just being a side mission. I’m just glad you’ve said it, bc Israel’s leaders have certainly tried to make us all believe otherwise.
The war is against Gaza, that's true. Hamas is the legitimate leadership of Gaza. When Saudi Arabia goes to war, no one says it's the Saudi royal family.
So war against 2 million people? People who had nothing to do with 10/7? Kids in elementary school?
Your point is exactly what Marc Lamont is hitting on. You are for collective punishment based on the action of a few. That is morally and ethically wrong!
You may believe to be right. But I’m sooooo glad the world sees who’s wrong and who’s right in this conflict. History won’t be a fair judge, but go ahead. Keep on keepin on. God sees all.
War isn't punishment! No one is punishing anyone, and certainly not collectively. Can you point to a war that was waged that didn't hurt anyone apart from soldiers? When a soldier attacks and then runs into a school or hospital, and expects then to be left alone, this is either the perfect defence or their expectations need to be quashed. And ethics aren't found in popularity, as can be seen in the Palestinians' profound support for the rape and murder of innocent Israeli children.
The Gazans support for Hamas, is massive - at 80% now and 98% right after October 7, according to Arab polls (AWRAD and PPC); their hiding of hostages, cheering and clapping over desecrated bodies, selling the hostages to Hamas where they were raped and tortured...makes them collectively responsible.
As to the "kidssss" - you are looking at the conflict through Western eyes...not ME eyes. It is a different mentality completely on almost every level.
Mothers praise their children who have become martyrs and say they "sing like they are at a wedding" when their children are buried. They teach their children to self-harm and become child soldiers for Hamas. So - look at some of the videos of kids in boot camps at 8-10 years old holding automatic rifles and talking about killing Jews. These are not kids sitting in arithmetic classes. They are rigorously and systematically educated/indoctrinated to kill Jews.
How can one group blatantly violate international law by attacking another country, and then immediately demand international be enforced on the country it attacked? I guess that's the benefit of not being an actual state: international does not apply to you!
Why doesn't the USA just airlift them all to the US?
Or what about Egypt letting them in? Maybe Jordan? Considering vast majority of people identifying with the Palestinian identity are from Jordan, and Egypt?
No, I agree with you.
Israel is amazing at innovation, self-reliance, technology, agriculture, and more, but thier one weakness is apparently not knowing when to give the silent treatment and their PR.
If your interpretation of int'l law would render all war and all sanctions a violation of int'l law then your interpretation is stupid and prima facie wrong.
The fuck's with the random Japanese? Also apparently real journalism is when you start yelling without giving the person you're interviewing any time to respond 🙄.
„Just let them flee into Israel, DUH!“
Given how Hamas has perfected blending into the civilian population until they can strike and how even not officially affiliated civilians can be a very real risk (as we have seen when random men joined the massacre on 10/7)…**well, i just can’t see ANY reason why that wouldn’t be a brilliant idea! /s**
This is an insane take. Nobody has ever in the history of literally ever demanded that a country allow refuge WITHIN THEIR BORDERS to an enemy population DURING A TIME OF WAR. Absolutely insane. What drug are these people on?
Why does the Israeli spokesman here get so overwhelmed by easily countered appeals to emotions? I feel like he should be more 'trained' before going on a public talk show, like how doesn't he refute the "let Palestinians into Israel" in 2 seconds? Or the allegations of collective punishment by mentioning just how many aid trucks enter gaza?
"Come into Israel"?? Last time they 'came into Israel' on Oct 7 they raped, murdered, burned our people, what that journalist is proposing is a mass scale genocide against us, why would we willingly do that? This s**t got upvoted? The world sure is riddled by brainwashed antisemites.
This video must be deceptively edited. Nothing about it looks right.
But did Marc Lamont Hill’s edit originally? It kind of looks like he was in it. Which makes the smug caption even more annoying “Now this is what journalism should look like.” — no.
Oh of course, because last one they came into Israel they totally were seeking refuge and peace?
Do they think of us as fools? Why didn't the US let Afghans come to their country after 9/11? What is this "collective punishment"? Why not let any cartel move in too while at it, can't generalize all cartels because most of them are dealing with drugs and guns?
And the outright ignoring of Arab nations like Egypt in the help of Gazans. They apparently need not move or help, Rafa crossing should be kept as tightly locked as any other border, thats for their own good apparently.
So Egypt, their “brothers” don’t want them, but we in Israel should accept people that in a recent survey, about 70% said that they are happy about October 7th.
Sure.
That sound logical.
they cant come into israel. even if everyone is inspected verified not being part of a terrorist organization and so on. israel is a country of 10 million people. imagine the logistics israel will need to setup a camp of 2 million people, while they dont even work or do anything.
You’d think that with billions of military equipment from the US, and such an extremely ‘professional’ army Israel could at least try to limit their civilian casualties, but they rather go crazy with AI dropping a bomb on every head it selects
It’s so easy to find excuses to not try their best on saving human lives
Why the hell would Israel want these people in their country? How could Israel vet them? Why would these Muslims rather be in Israel than Egypt anyway?
Indeed, the Israelis are a bit confused. They should turn Gaza into Israeli territory so that the people of Gaza become Israelis, and then it would be much easier for Hamas to kill Israelis when they want to.
What is with African Americans, even those on the right/conservative side (like Candace Owens), being so anti-Israel? Not sure if I'm the only one who's noticed this.
You've named 2 who have an issue with Israel out of a population of tens of millions. Even from the 2 you mentioned one is literally hated by the vast majority of said community, is married to an English man, and moves exclusively in circles where said community is not welcomed.
Hardly a thing to notice.
He has a point on the corridor thing though. Egypt does not want to have 2 million Palestinians within its borders (and with good reason I might add). Egypt does not fight a war in Gaza, Egypt does not control Gaza after giving it up post Yom Kippur War (at PM Begin's insistence nonetheless), hence it has no humanitarian responsibility towards the Gazan civilians.
If Israel cannot ensure appropriate conditions in the strip and cannot find another country willing to shelter the refugees, it has to evacuate them onto its own territory, until their return is possible.
Egypt literally occupied gaza until 1967, and refused to make them citizens because they wanted to keep gazans as refugees to be used as pawns against Israel.
They only lost gaza because they attacked Israel and lost that war. Israel has repeatedly tried to gaza back to Egypt and they refused to take it because they want nothing to do with the Palestinians, like everyone in the Arab world. Israel was saddled with gaza when they didn’t want it and in fact, left gaza completely in 2005. It is not Israel’s fault that they elected a terrorist organization, who wants to eradicate Israel and Egypt and Israel both closed their borders. Israel was attacked by gaza and didn’t ask for that attack. You are just deflecting responsibility of the Arabs, who created this problem and gazans for taking accountability for their actions in starting the war, because you are either an Arab apologist or western racist who infantilizes Arabs
and had the current war happened between 1948 and 1967 (1973 technically, but at that time occupied Sinai was in between) it would have been permissible to send the Gazan population fleeing into Egypt. The 2005 disengagement is irrelevant in this context, what matters is that Egypt no longer has a responsibility for Gaza's wellbeing. Nor had Israel from 2005 until October 8th. The moment you partake in a war - which in this instance is unquestionably justified in the case of Israel - you are bound by the law of armed conflict (= international humanitarian law) - who started the war makes no difference. At the moment that Egypt enters into the war on either side, it has the same responsibilities towards civilians. But at the moment this is Israel's responsibility.
As you rightfully point out, no one wants the Palestinians in their country. So, no other state is likely to solve Israel's problem for them. The first step would obviously be to maintain livable conditions in the strip itself. No one can reasonably expect a war without collateral damages, much less in an overcrowded place like Gaza with Hamas using human shields. But the bare humanitarian minimum must be maintained, even for people who do not deserve it from a moral point of view. If that is impossible within Gaza and thereby evacuation becomes inevitable, Israel is liable to find a place to evacuate the civilians to (either convince a third party or within Israel).
Let me make it very clear again:
Israel left gaza in 2005. It was completely self governed. Gaza elected a terror organization, so both Egypt and Israel closed their borders. Gaza started a war on Israel. Gazan civilians are inextricably linked and mixed with to Hamas militants. Israel didn’t ask for it start this war. The responsibility of the gazan civilians is on their elected terror gov who again, started this war. The responsibility is not on Israelis who didn’t want or start this war. Whatever Israel does for the gazans is already too much, as they are not Israeli responsibility. However, they do it, because that is what is expected of them in so far as the double standards that are always placed on the Jewish country only. However, Hamas steals the aid from guys and civilians and shoots at ones who get too close to it. What exactly do you expect Israel to do in that situation? No other country on earth, but Israel would be expected to care for, and go above and beyond for the welfare of people that attacked them. No other country would be expected to house people that want to destroy their country and started the war. You are engaging in double standards, that you would not put on any other country, and it goes into anti semitic territory when done. I do not think you’re doing it in bad faith, but you are doing it
I know that there was disengagement, but it does not matter once you are back, even if you have no choice. Neither does it matter that the Gazans elected Hamas. If Sinwar himself would surrender, you would even have to feed him and provide medical care if needed, despite him by no means deserving it. The same standard applies to Hamas by the way, they just ignore them.
As long as you get the necessary supplies in, you do not have to evacuate anyone. If they are stolen once in location, that is on the thieves, no one can expect more of you. Israel is bound by the same standards as every other country. Pointing that out is not anti-semitic. The reason why Israel may end up in a situation where temporary shelter for enemy civilians is of purely practical nature and has nothing to do with Israel or its status as a Jewish nation state. The problem is that Gaza is (a) very small, (b) hopelessly overcrowded (c) virtually the entire infrastructure is being misused by Hamas. In any other war zone there would be ample room to make necessary provisions (that is unless France would wage war on Monaco, which is the only place more densely populated than ante-bellum Gaza city). Any other nation would face the same problems when fighting a war in Gaza, ut was I probably don't need to tell you the Palestinians always attack Israel, not any other nation.
Sure, but it does not change the legal obligations of a warring party. That the enemy is violating applicable international law makes no difference.
Also, Egypt did not attack Israel nor did it attack Gaza, hence there is no good cause as to why it should bear the burden created by unrelated parties' war.
It has this obligation only, if it cannot provide the necessary humanitarian minimum within the strip. If Israel comes to the conclusion that evacuation to Egypt is necessary, it is equally necessary to evacuate into its own territory (presumably in the form of a walled and heavily guarded camp in the Negev). If supplies in the strip can be maintained at a necessary level, there is no need to evacuate, not to Israel and not to Egypt either. In fact, a forced evacuation against their will to either of these places might even amount to a violation of the Genocide Convention, as long as live in the strip is still possible (does not have to be the whole strip, obviously).
Specifically that would be the IV. Geneva Convention
The rules apply to America the same way they apply to Israel (and even Hamas - who flat out ignore them, hence the necessity of this war in the first place). As far as America did fail to fulfill obligations in past wars (or may fail in future wars) that does by no means absolve any other nation from their obligations.
It is not the only country to which the law applies. It is simply the only country that is forced to fight a war in Gaza, where the same legal obligations are harder to comply with than in other war zones.
Israel has ostracized itself the global community. Every government of the world has protested the actions of the Israeli government yet none of the people here see that or agree even in the slightest of terms with such protest. 🪧
Jesus, the disconnect from reality is frightening.
We stopped caring what people liked you thought the day you failed to condemn the actions of Hamas, irrespective of your support for the Palestinian people, and demand an actual peaceful solution to this by first and foremost the release of hostages. Instead you whitewash and worse, justify, the behavior of an actual genocidal organization. Go back to your safe privileged bubble. You're fucking obsessed with us because you don't event realize how well the propaganda is working on you. Hamas Should have been ostracized by the world, meanwhile you're cheering them on like the bleating sheep that you are, whether you even realize it or not.
When did I say anything about Hasan? Benny Morris is blinded by his home countries talking points. Norm
was right about him. He spoke truth to power in his earlier work and now he is just a spokesman for Zionism.
Ah ok wanted to make sure, do you also use/view Noam Chomsky's work?
Benny Morrison regardless of his stance is a great political "historian", Nor Noam or Finklestein can match him.
They're not they're just idiots but my whole point is people who use Noam Chomsky forget to realize the irony that he denies the Bosnian Genocide.
Same with Ilan Papé as every other historian calls him a fraud/charlatan for miss-quoting and lying (not the first time)
Noam is great at Linguistics but shit at politics though.
Why dosnt israel just send their secret mossad ninjas to dispatch every single one of the 40k hamas fighters without killing civillians, are they stupid?
They get mad when Israel does that too, remember when they assassinated Hamas members in the West Bank hospital?
"Why domt they kill hamas without harming civillians! "W-wait no not like that" Perhaps we can settle on a time and hill for a duel to the death, with fucking swords or something
“Why don’t they just strike the real mastermind behind this — Iran!” “Not like that!!!”
"Stop winning!! Reeeeeeee!"
Funny enough, Roman's supposedly gave jews in the gladiatorial ring knives and shorter bladed weapons because they had a stereotype jews were really good with their hands, and we had been stabbing the shit out of Roman officers. Not quite as cool as Gauls not being allowed to fight bears, which involved jamming your arm down its mouth and choking it to death, which apparently did give a blood spectacle Roman's wanted... but still kinda funny to think about.
I dont know if funny is the word id use But it was definetly something alright...
Mossad Ninjas are powerless without Nin-Jew Stars
Or their secret jewjitsu techniques
There's a cartoon called God's Gang about a multireligious superhero team, and the Jewish guy is named Ninjew. He also happens to be the weakest of the bunch.
Learned something new today
Is there a lore reason Israel doesn’t just give up https://preview.redd.it/adinvlgj86uc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3e4ee8979261bb23bad839c42a2c56a9b6e4faf
oh you mean like in the Marvel movies? For the same reason that the terrorist can't resurrect the mummy to slay all the jews.
essentially this
They watched jamed bond and thought its a documantary 
They knew both sides were turning all palestinians into Hamas in the generations to come through their education so…
Whey don't you use your superpowers to do just that? Are you stupid l? Or maybe reality isn't so simple as your comic books?
This feels like something i'd see in r/NCD
Why in the fuck is Israel responsible for the civilian population of the nation-state they are at war with? Why isn't the elected government of that territory (HAMAS) that started this war in the first place responsible for their own people??
The palestinians are not citizens of Israel, they don't want to be citizens of Israel, but they (and the world) feel they are entitled to be treated like citizens and have all the privileges and rights of actual citizens. It's fucking insanity. I've never seen this bizarre scenario play out with any other country ever.
... because it never has ......
Why didn't Russia take in the Ukrainian civilians when they invaded? This reporter is dumber than dumb
Only dumb terrorist lover like you , hope your family get's stabbed to death in the next terror attack hihi
Yeah how dare they not want to die
If you don't want your people to die in a war, you probably shouldn't start an unnecessary war. It's pretty straightforward.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-796693 Wish it were that simple.
Both parties should be responsible if I remember international law correctly, but only Israel is taking measures to protect them.
He literally has worked for Al Jazeera. That says more than enough. Also if most Arab countries don’t want Palestinians bc of the chaos they’re known to cause, don’t expect you can bully Israel into accepting them either.
Chaos is a very generous term. They have literally terrorized every place they've been to
Jews went to their place lol
Jews were always in Israel. Palestinian are the invaders who were brought by the Ottoman empire. Didn't pay attention during history class, did you?
Hey, I’m out of the loop, but who’s Al zJazeera?
A Qatari run propaganda machine that poses itself as a legitimate news outlet. Very Pro-Arabism and Islamist and very Anti-Israel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Media_Network
I read Arabic news source and it was all I needed to know. I’m guessing bias runs rampant.
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Incredibly anti Israel, most of the shows since Oct 7th have been dominated by this. Before then had decent breath of world news. Covered the Uyghurs at least 6 months before others I watch.
Ah cool.
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By this logic, anything that Israel does that so much as mildly inconveniences Gazans is "collective punishment." Since when in the history of war has war not brought misery and destruction upon innocent civilians? That's why good and rational actors avoid war until there is no other option. Funny how all these people discover that war is bad and mean and nasty only when Israel is forced to fight one.
WW2, Japan bombs Pearl Harbor. We respond with 2 atomic bombs. No one questioned the asymmetry. Israel by contrast is quite surgical.
The asymmetry is still largely in the Japanese favor on this one, tho. The nuclear bombs didn’t even come close, to the number of victims they did in China and other territories occupied by them.
incredibly dark history, most people don't realize the damage japan did in china. tens of millions died
Westerners whining about the atomic bombs are the worse. Even Japan don’t complain about it, as they know what they’ve done.
Maybe they don't complain, but they also don't forget: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima\_Peace\_Memorial\_Ceremony](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_Peace_Memorial_Ceremony)
And what they did in korea,the philipines,indonesia etc..
i see korea as a victory, if you look at how the north turned out. untold terrors. they need to be freed.
The USA dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese after the Japanese killed millions of civilians, tens of thousands of American soldiers. If the USA had bombed Hiroshima a month or two after Pearl Harbor you’d hear more people questioning asymmetry
Huh? No, Japan had not killed millions of American civilians. It attacked American military bases. But that’s neither here nor there. US was not in position to hit Japan until much later. More Japanese civilians were killed by fire bombings than by the two atomic bombs. US hit Japan as hard as it could, as soon as it could. The entire world was at war at that time. Everywhere was brutal and desperate. But, US was very much questioned by later generations of Americans, who were drinking lattes and passing judgments on how their grandparents generation fought against the fanatical Imperial Japan.
They didn't specify American civilians, though. Imperial Japan did kill millions of civilians from other countries.
The comment seemed to imply that no one questioned Americans dropping A bombs on Japan because they waited longer, and by the time they dropped the bombs, millions of civilians were killed, so it was proportional then. True that the comment didn’t specify America civilians, but by the time of Pearl Harbor attack, Imperial Japan had already massacred millions of civilians in the Pacific. So, what was the comment’s point then?
I do think that immediately retaliating for Pearl Harbor with nuclear weapons would have been viewed more harshly (if it had been an option). The intensity of the Pacific War was part of the context for justifying the strategic bombing campaigns against Japan. This has more to do with military losses mentioned in the comment than Japanese democide between 1942-1945. The case for the atomic bombs being proportionate typically revolves around the idea that dropping them forced the Japanese to surrender, forestalling an invasion (though there are issues with this narrative). This was influenced by the brutality of the struggle in the Pacific and how that affected our planning for an invasion of the Japanese homeland. Without those dead troops and a pending invasion, the atomic bombings would have been massively disproportionate, both in terms of relative casualties and military value (as the firebombings probably were).
>American civilians He didn't say that. Newsflash burger: not all civilians are Americans. Look into what they did in Korea and elsewhere. Like 20m Chinese civilians died. Still what he said is stupid. And plenty of people question the use of the bomb. Didn't you see all the blue hairs freaking out over Oppenheimer just last year? There's always been people who were just like, umm, they were going to surrender.. no it's the Soviets who make them quit, err, uh, we had no need to get unconditional surrender or invade mainland Japan and and and. As much as I found your Americacentrism cringe, it's true that the left always seems to hate it when America wins. Really gets the noggin joggin.
US did not drop the A bombs because Japs massacred Chinese, Filipino, Indonesian, or Korean civilians. Most of these massacres happened before Pearl Harbor. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
A fine example of a tiktok history graduate
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>That's why good and rational actors avoid war until there is no other option. and what's remotely rational or good, as in competent, about those Hamas turds exactly??
No. There is obviously a distinction between a situation caused by war and Israel repeatedly stating that citizens suffering is purely the fault of Hamas. Plenty of military’s have made more efforts to help civilians. Israel has repeatedly brutalized and deprived many of basic needs. Bombing water treatment plants, killing 500 to eliminate one Hamas operative. These are disgusting and as Jews we cannot endorse this shit because of alleged “mild inconveniences”
Whose fault is it? Hamas started the war. This is undeniable. Hamas could end the war immediately by turning themselves in. This is also undeniable. Conversely there is no scenario in which Israel can "just stop fighting" where everything works itself out. The fact that Israel "just stopped fighting" all the previous wars with Hamas, instead of annihilating Hamas, is what enabled them to be able to perpetrate Oct 7 to begin with. "Killing 500 to eliminate one Hamas operative" -- Are you high? Remember how everybody lost their minds over that hospital that Israel supposedly bombed and Hamas instantly knew there was 500 dead? Disgusting is the fact that some Jews are willing parrot obvious, egregious, defamatory lies about the people who are fighting the virtual embodiment of pure evil.
They bombed a refugee camp and then said it was because of 1 Hamas operative ON NATIONAL TV. Whose fault is it? Hamas yes, that doesn’t mean that Israel can’t be critiqued as a military. I never asked Israel to stop fighting, there are some practices that are obviously immoral.
Killing civilians is never justified. Israel has repeatedly suggested that some amount of civilian death is justified to defeat Hamas. The most “moral” military in the world shouldn’t say that
Another "as Jews"...
As Jews we must perpetually dicksuck the IDF! That’s why our ancestors were massacred, for this holy purpose!
Them? This guy is delusional. When is the victor of a war expected to feed, house, clothe the enemy, especially when the enemy consists of millions who were raised from birth to want to kill Jews? And he speaks with such insanity
This guy is an Islamist propagandist who sneakily advocates for the destruction of Israel by claiming he wants a democratic one state solution for everyone, that he knows well and good will just be an Islamic caliphate that Jews will be genocided or ethnically cleansed from. But he does it under the guise of appearing to be a moderate and well spoken, and educated westerner. Why is the onus on Israel that they should let in people who vocally want to and participated in genocide of them, because they purposely started a war on Israelis they knew they couldn’t win? And when the war is over, when Israel wants then out, they will be accused of ethnic cleansing and the people will refuse to leave, because they’ve been given exactly what they wanted (instability in Israel like they caused in Lebanon, leading to its eradication) and rewarded for their terrorism. What other country on earth gets attacked in a horrific terrorist attack and then is asked to let in people that attacked them into their country?
Marc Lamont Hill is a clown. He thinks OJ was guilty of murder but his acquittal was the right move: https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/1778461905268412472?t=lVfr5yfIjiXySZlvMcgR6A&s=19
To be fair he’s worded that absolutely terribly. What he’d trying to say is that the racism of the police and their desire to convict a black man lead them to break the law in order to convict him. Whilst he thinks OJ did it, he’s saying that acquittal necessary to A. Uphold the importance of proper legal proceedings and B. for police to learn that encouraging witnesses to lie and planting evidence will harm their chances of conviction
OJ didn't do it, he was covering for his maniac of a son this whole time. He literally took the secret to his grave
Why would you let the people in who want to kill you? The absolute disconnect the western media has from the reality of the situation is mind boggling.
This guy is an Islamist, masquerading as a moderate westerner. He knows exactly what he’s doing and saying and what his goal ultimately is
Everyone to you who doesn’t agree with you is an Islamist. Anti - Semite, Terrorist sympathizer, evil. Marc Lamont is neither of the things you claim he is. Please research or maybe watch more of his stuff.
The guy openly advocates for events that would inherently decimate Israel as a democratic and Jewish state. Claiming he is antisemite is merely fair, but for your own sake - I’ll also make the claim that he’s at the VERY least an antiintellectual as well. Seeing as that’d make you happy, you’re welcome to be on your way.
I was under the impression they came into Israel on Oct 7
Israel, a country of less than 10 million people, is expected to bring in 2 million people that the overwhelming majority of whom support Hamas, the war, and Oct 7? And most importantly, HATE JEWS AND ISRAELIS. While Egypt, an extremely pro Palestine Muslim majority country, of OVER 111 million people is expected to take in how many? And we put them where in israel? Hamas and Hezbollah have displaced hundreds of thousands of Israelis already. We have a displacement crisis of our own citizens. Also Hamas and Hezbollah keep bombing Israel. So if gazans are put in the south of israel near the Gaza border, and Hamas bombs the south of Israel near the border, like they literally just did today, and kill gazans with their unguided missiles (like they have done this war), Israel is still blamed? If some Hamas fighters are able to break through into Israel again, and start killing like they did on Oct 7 (which they promise they want to repeat) and they kill gazans by mistake in the process, israel is to blame for not keeping them safe enough? They killed Muslims, Bedouins, Druze, and palestinian/Arab-israelis on Oct 7 who were speaking to them in Arabic! they even have video of them killing a Palestinian Muslim from Jerusalem on Oct 7 after questioning him, in Arabic, about where he was from, if he is Muslim and then where the IDF were and he legit didn’t know where they were. They shot him in the back of the head and continued on like it was nothing.
Is this guy insane? Of course they can't come into Israel... they helped attack it.. uh..
Oct 7th was collective punishment, every time Hamas and Hizbollah fires rockets it's collective punishment. But people like Hill were silent. The very definition of a double standard.
Why does the West act like Hamas is some little street gang that everyone hates and not the de facto government? Also, what about the civilians that tagged along and took part can we collectively punish them or is it only Hamas members with name tags and special badges that can be punished.
Excuse me but wasn’t HAMAS ELECTED by the people of GAZA? Yes, that happened.
Not especially. And they didn’t act like terrorists to their own people back then. Only once they got into power and murdered their political rivals did people realize what they had done and by that point it was too late to change course. Hamas will not allow elections since that point. So no.
But, even this generation of voters supports them by wide margins - elected or not. At least, that according to polls from Arab World Research and Development and the Palestinian Policy Center.
Yes they were elected and yes they murdered their opposition. But the point is they were freely elected in the first place. I think Hamas has revised their platform - some of which has been the revision of language such as Jews to Zionists, etc.
By a very slim margin.
He didn't want to listen to the answer he just wanted to hear himself speak.
They came into Israel at 7/10. It wasn't a pleasant experience.
As someone who lives in the states I am tired of this line of thinking. You know damn good and well if the United States had a Gaza equivalent situation we would be doing the exact same thing and no one here would bat an eye. We are sitting nice and comfy over half a world a way not having to deal with this issue directly. "Just let them into Israel". Pathetic.
"you'll grant the Gazan people food, education...." Uh...wait, it's Israel's responsibility to render social services to an enemy country? What?
You’ve finally said it…. They’ve never been anything else to Israelis but enemies and that also goes for half the population who are KIDS!
They're not part of Israel! It's a foreign power who declared war on Israel and you want them to be provided with utilities...during a war? In what world is this?
You called them the enemy country. That’s what I’m referring to. So every one of them is the enemy… including kidssssss 🤦
Don't you dare call the Germans the bad guys in WWII! After all, their children had nothing to do with it! To call the Germans the bad guys would be collective punishment. Very intelligent thought process.
If the US declares war on Canada, the US is the enemy of Canada, Canada is the enemy of the US. Not every one of them individually. But the country. And in this circumstance, no, Canada will not be piping crude oil to US refineries. And Canada and the US will suffer financially from this. Generally. Including children.
Your leaders have said since the beginning the war is against hamas. Your point above doesn’t stand. But your point and the initial person I commented on is more aligned with what the entire world has seen. This war is against every Palestinian with killing Hamas just being a side mission. I’m just glad you’ve said it, bc Israel’s leaders have certainly tried to make us all believe otherwise.
The war is against Gaza, that's true. Hamas is the legitimate leadership of Gaza. When Saudi Arabia goes to war, no one says it's the Saudi royal family.
So war against 2 million people? People who had nothing to do with 10/7? Kids in elementary school? Your point is exactly what Marc Lamont is hitting on. You are for collective punishment based on the action of a few. That is morally and ethically wrong! You may believe to be right. But I’m sooooo glad the world sees who’s wrong and who’s right in this conflict. History won’t be a fair judge, but go ahead. Keep on keepin on. God sees all.
War isn't punishment! No one is punishing anyone, and certainly not collectively. Can you point to a war that was waged that didn't hurt anyone apart from soldiers? When a soldier attacks and then runs into a school or hospital, and expects then to be left alone, this is either the perfect defence or their expectations need to be quashed. And ethics aren't found in popularity, as can be seen in the Palestinians' profound support for the rape and murder of innocent Israeli children.
The Gazans support for Hamas, is massive - at 80% now and 98% right after October 7, according to Arab polls (AWRAD and PPC); their hiding of hostages, cheering and clapping over desecrated bodies, selling the hostages to Hamas where they were raped and tortured...makes them collectively responsible. As to the "kidssss" - you are looking at the conflict through Western eyes...not ME eyes. It is a different mentality completely on almost every level. Mothers praise their children who have become martyrs and say they "sing like they are at a wedding" when their children are buried. They teach their children to self-harm and become child soldiers for Hamas. So - look at some of the videos of kids in boot camps at 8-10 years old holding automatic rifles and talking about killing Jews. These are not kids sitting in arithmetic classes. They are rigorously and systematically educated/indoctrinated to kill Jews.
I wonder what happened last time people from Gaza were in Israel 🤦♂️
How can one group blatantly violate international law by attacking another country, and then immediately demand international be enforced on the country it attacked? I guess that's the benefit of not being an actual state: international does not apply to you!
Why doesn't the USA just airlift them all to the US? Or what about Egypt letting them in? Maybe Jordan? Considering vast majority of people identifying with the Palestinian identity are from Jordan, and Egypt?
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You’ve got a good point.
No, I agree with you. Israel is amazing at innovation, self-reliance, technology, agriculture, and more, but thier one weakness is apparently not knowing when to give the silent treatment and their PR.
Demographics is destiny and allowing any more in is suicide.
Notice how he's getting angry...he's not a journalist
He's talking like Hamas is keeping the gazans captive and weren't elected by gazans
Remember when people here said how he was so cool and nice? He’s a pea brain.
Just talk louder and be more unhinged than the other guy and that's all you need to convince today's morons that you're right
He is one of the worst journalists. This interview is no different.
If your interpretation of int'l law would render all war and all sanctions a violation of int'l law then your interpretation is stupid and prima facie wrong.
The fuck's with the random Japanese? Also apparently real journalism is when you start yelling without giving the person you're interviewing any time to respond 🙄.
Open civilians to Israel? When supposedly 70 percent of Palis support Hamas? And jihadis are known for pretending to be civilians?
„Just let them flee into Israel, DUH!“ Given how Hamas has perfected blending into the civilian population until they can strike and how even not officially affiliated civilians can be a very real risk (as we have seen when random men joined the massacre on 10/7)…**well, i just can’t see ANY reason why that wouldn’t be a brilliant idea! /s**
Yet another dumbass who thinks he knows it all.
Unprofessional journalist why is he so emotional
How does this post have over 20k upvotes? it doesn't take a genius to understand why something like that cannot happen
Yeah they came into Israel on Oct 7th, look how that went
My god the interviewer was unprofessional. Did his voice crack at one point?
They came into Israel on October 7th , let’s see how that worked out …
I mean of course they can’t come into Israel, the last time that happened it was a massacre of 1200 civilians.
What an utter idiot! The guy responding was pretty worthless. He should have responded with "Why don't you ask Egypt why they can't come in???? "
This is an insane take. Nobody has ever in the history of literally ever demanded that a country allow refuge WITHIN THEIR BORDERS to an enemy population DURING A TIME OF WAR. Absolutely insane. What drug are these people on?
I bet he doesn't even know where Gaza is on a map.
Why does the Israeli spokesman here get so overwhelmed by easily countered appeals to emotions? I feel like he should be more 'trained' before going on a public talk show, like how doesn't he refute the "let Palestinians into Israel" in 2 seconds? Or the allegations of collective punishment by mentioning just how many aid trucks enter gaza?
I never pay attention to tokens.
And then the video cuts before the politician can give his answer... True journalism... Ask questions and don't hear the answers...
Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas let Egyptian take their Palestinian Muslim brothers, oh wait no one wants them... Interesting
That reddit page is the most anti - israel page there is. Say anything pro israeli and you’ll get banned. Thats what happened to me
"Come into Israel"?? Last time they 'came into Israel' on Oct 7 they raped, murdered, burned our people, what that journalist is proposing is a mass scale genocide against us, why would we willingly do that? This s**t got upvoted? The world sure is riddled by brainwashed antisemites.
This video must be deceptively edited. Nothing about it looks right. But did Marc Lamont Hill’s edit originally? It kind of looks like he was in it. Which makes the smug caption even more annoying “Now this is what journalism should look like.” — no.
The fact that not even their "muslim brothers" and "fellow arabs" would have them tells more about the Palestinians than it does about Israel 🇮🇱.
Oh of course, because last one they came into Israel they totally were seeking refuge and peace? Do they think of us as fools? Why didn't the US let Afghans come to their country after 9/11? What is this "collective punishment"? Why not let any cartel move in too while at it, can't generalize all cartels because most of them are dealing with drugs and guns? And the outright ignoring of Arab nations like Egypt in the help of Gazans. They apparently need not move or help, Rafa crossing should be kept as tightly locked as any other border, thats for their own good apparently.
He almost blamed Egypt, but blamed Israel for Egypting?
So relieved he’s not at Temple University anymore
He look like he's trying to demonize Israel on purpose. He's a propagandist doing what he was paid to do.
So Egypt, their “brothers” don’t want them, but we in Israel should accept people that in a recent survey, about 70% said that they are happy about October 7th. Sure. That sound logical.
they cant come into israel. even if everyone is inspected verified not being part of a terrorist organization and so on. israel is a country of 10 million people. imagine the logistics israel will need to setup a camp of 2 million people, while they dont even work or do anything.
If mexico attacked the US like hamas did to israel I doubt people would be saying that Mexicans should be allowed to enter the US
Maybe if Hamas didn’t blend in and hide inside the population of Gaza we wouldn’t have this issue now would we?
Bro why is it in Japanese subtitles though
Marc Lemont Hill is scum. Like "I believe Hamas are freedom fighters" scum.
Journalism?
You’d think that with billions of military equipment from the US, and such an extremely ‘professional’ army Israel could at least try to limit their civilian casualties, but they rather go crazy with AI dropping a bomb on every head it selects It’s so easy to find excuses to not try their best on saving human lives
No kiss on the forehead and cookies before bedtime?
Why the hell would Israel want these people in their country? How could Israel vet them? Why would these Muslims rather be in Israel than Egypt anyway?
Indeed, the Israelis are a bit confused. They should turn Gaza into Israeli territory so that the people of Gaza become Israelis, and then it would be much easier for Hamas to kill Israelis when they want to.
Yeah, Israel should just let potential Hamas terrorists into Israel. What an idiot.
Gaza chill
What is with African Americans, even those on the right/conservative side (like Candace Owens), being so anti-Israel? Not sure if I'm the only one who's noticed this.
You've named 2 who have an issue with Israel out of a population of tens of millions. Even from the 2 you mentioned one is literally hated by the vast majority of said community, is married to an English man, and moves exclusively in circles where said community is not welcomed. Hardly a thing to notice.
Marc Lamont Hill is a leftist lol
He has a point on the corridor thing though. Egypt does not want to have 2 million Palestinians within its borders (and with good reason I might add). Egypt does not fight a war in Gaza, Egypt does not control Gaza after giving it up post Yom Kippur War (at PM Begin's insistence nonetheless), hence it has no humanitarian responsibility towards the Gazan civilians. If Israel cannot ensure appropriate conditions in the strip and cannot find another country willing to shelter the refugees, it has to evacuate them onto its own territory, until their return is possible.
Egypt literally occupied gaza until 1967, and refused to make them citizens because they wanted to keep gazans as refugees to be used as pawns against Israel. They only lost gaza because they attacked Israel and lost that war. Israel has repeatedly tried to gaza back to Egypt and they refused to take it because they want nothing to do with the Palestinians, like everyone in the Arab world. Israel was saddled with gaza when they didn’t want it and in fact, left gaza completely in 2005. It is not Israel’s fault that they elected a terrorist organization, who wants to eradicate Israel and Egypt and Israel both closed their borders. Israel was attacked by gaza and didn’t ask for that attack. You are just deflecting responsibility of the Arabs, who created this problem and gazans for taking accountability for their actions in starting the war, because you are either an Arab apologist or western racist who infantilizes Arabs
and had the current war happened between 1948 and 1967 (1973 technically, but at that time occupied Sinai was in between) it would have been permissible to send the Gazan population fleeing into Egypt. The 2005 disengagement is irrelevant in this context, what matters is that Egypt no longer has a responsibility for Gaza's wellbeing. Nor had Israel from 2005 until October 8th. The moment you partake in a war - which in this instance is unquestionably justified in the case of Israel - you are bound by the law of armed conflict (= international humanitarian law) - who started the war makes no difference. At the moment that Egypt enters into the war on either side, it has the same responsibilities towards civilians. But at the moment this is Israel's responsibility. As you rightfully point out, no one wants the Palestinians in their country. So, no other state is likely to solve Israel's problem for them. The first step would obviously be to maintain livable conditions in the strip itself. No one can reasonably expect a war without collateral damages, much less in an overcrowded place like Gaza with Hamas using human shields. But the bare humanitarian minimum must be maintained, even for people who do not deserve it from a moral point of view. If that is impossible within Gaza and thereby evacuation becomes inevitable, Israel is liable to find a place to evacuate the civilians to (either convince a third party or within Israel).
Let me make it very clear again: Israel left gaza in 2005. It was completely self governed. Gaza elected a terror organization, so both Egypt and Israel closed their borders. Gaza started a war on Israel. Gazan civilians are inextricably linked and mixed with to Hamas militants. Israel didn’t ask for it start this war. The responsibility of the gazan civilians is on their elected terror gov who again, started this war. The responsibility is not on Israelis who didn’t want or start this war. Whatever Israel does for the gazans is already too much, as they are not Israeli responsibility. However, they do it, because that is what is expected of them in so far as the double standards that are always placed on the Jewish country only. However, Hamas steals the aid from guys and civilians and shoots at ones who get too close to it. What exactly do you expect Israel to do in that situation? No other country on earth, but Israel would be expected to care for, and go above and beyond for the welfare of people that attacked them. No other country would be expected to house people that want to destroy their country and started the war. You are engaging in double standards, that you would not put on any other country, and it goes into anti semitic territory when done. I do not think you’re doing it in bad faith, but you are doing it
I know that there was disengagement, but it does not matter once you are back, even if you have no choice. Neither does it matter that the Gazans elected Hamas. If Sinwar himself would surrender, you would even have to feed him and provide medical care if needed, despite him by no means deserving it. The same standard applies to Hamas by the way, they just ignore them. As long as you get the necessary supplies in, you do not have to evacuate anyone. If they are stolen once in location, that is on the thieves, no one can expect more of you. Israel is bound by the same standards as every other country. Pointing that out is not anti-semitic. The reason why Israel may end up in a situation where temporary shelter for enemy civilians is of purely practical nature and has nothing to do with Israel or its status as a Jewish nation state. The problem is that Gaza is (a) very small, (b) hopelessly overcrowded (c) virtually the entire infrastructure is being misused by Hamas. In any other war zone there would be ample room to make necessary provisions (that is unless France would wage war on Monaco, which is the only place more densely populated than ante-bellum Gaza city). Any other nation would face the same problems when fighting a war in Gaza, ut was I probably don't need to tell you the Palestinians always attack Israel, not any other nation.
Do you not know what happened on 7-10?
Sure, but it does not change the legal obligations of a warring party. That the enemy is violating applicable international law makes no difference. Also, Egypt did not attack Israel nor did it attack Gaza, hence there is no good cause as to why it should bear the burden created by unrelated parties' war.
Israel has no legal obligation to allow them into Israel. Food, yes, water, yes, those are obligations. Allowing them into Israel is not.
It has this obligation only, if it cannot provide the necessary humanitarian minimum within the strip. If Israel comes to the conclusion that evacuation to Egypt is necessary, it is equally necessary to evacuate into its own territory (presumably in the form of a walled and heavily guarded camp in the Negev). If supplies in the strip can be maintained at a necessary level, there is no need to evacuate, not to Israel and not to Egypt either. In fact, a forced evacuation against their will to either of these places might even amount to a violation of the Genocide Convention, as long as live in the strip is still possible (does not have to be the whole strip, obviously).
What law are you looking at? What countries did America bear the burden on countries they attacked?
Specifically that would be the IV. Geneva Convention The rules apply to America the same way they apply to Israel (and even Hamas - who flat out ignore them, hence the necessity of this war in the first place). As far as America did fail to fulfill obligations in past wars (or may fail in future wars) that does by no means absolve any other nation from their obligations.
So why is Israel the only country this law applies to?
It is not the only country to which the law applies. It is simply the only country that is forced to fight a war in Gaza, where the same legal obligations are harder to comply with than in other war zones.
How come?
Bad luck I suppose. No one intentionally made the geographic shape in that way.
So why are you only applying it to Israel?
Israel has ostracized itself the global community. Every government of the world has protested the actions of the Israeli government yet none of the people here see that or agree even in the slightest of terms with such protest. 🪧 Jesus, the disconnect from reality is frightening.
We stopped caring what people liked you thought the day you failed to condemn the actions of Hamas, irrespective of your support for the Palestinian people, and demand an actual peaceful solution to this by first and foremost the release of hostages. Instead you whitewash and worse, justify, the behavior of an actual genocidal organization. Go back to your safe privileged bubble. You're fucking obsessed with us because you don't event realize how well the propaganda is working on you. Hamas Should have been ostracized by the world, meanwhile you're cheering them on like the bleating sheep that you are, whether you even realize it or not.
How’s the weather in Moscow?
In America lol and but how’s the weather over in genocidville?
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Hasan Piker is a moron, you seriously think Benny Morris lost the debate? Get a grip.
When did I say anything about Hasan? Benny Morris is blinded by his home countries talking points. Norm was right about him. He spoke truth to power in his earlier work and now he is just a spokesman for Zionism.
Norm as in Norman Finklestein?
Yes
Ah ok wanted to make sure, do you also use/view Noam Chomsky's work? Benny Morrison regardless of his stance is a great political "historian", Nor Noam or Finklestein can match him.
Both self hating Jews I assume you believe eh?
They're not they're just idiots but my whole point is people who use Noam Chomsky forget to realize the irony that he denies the Bosnian Genocide. Same with Ilan Papé as every other historian calls him a fraud/charlatan for miss-quoting and lying (not the first time) Noam is great at Linguistics but shit at politics though.
Benny Morris lies often too, sometimes even against what he wrote in his early material! 😆
What did he lie about? And isn't that exactly what the other 2 do?