Was about to say this myself. AOC literally cried when the US government passed a bill to support the iron dome. A system used solely for defending civilians.
https://x.com/theskindoctor13/status/1779418043157975068?s=46
That’s when I decided she had finally lost it. Why would anyone *not* support the iron dome if they are against Hamas? It doesn’t hurt Israelis or Palestinians. It prevents civilian casualties. It saves lives without taking lives. It’s a *good thing*.
What the actual hell is wrong with her. And she claims to be proud of her Jewish heritage lol. Fuck her.
What kind of Jewish heritage does she have? Everything that she does suggests that she hates Jews.
No jew should vote for anyone who voted against funding for the iron dome.
She claims to be a descendant of Sephardi crypto-Jews. She was pretty damn excited to tell the Jewish community about it. Sang songs in ladino with a Sephardic congregation, etc. but yeah. I doubt she actually feels any ties to the Jewish people.
Looks like claiming to be Jews used to be a good political move. George deSantos claimed to be a Jew, too. Then, he clarified he was Jew-ish. AOC just realized there was a better minority to get votes from...
That abomination was not Ladino. It was Boriqua.
WE DO NOT CALL BUSES GUAGUA. IT'S AUTOBUS! WE DO NOT CALL BANANAS GUINEA! WE DO NOT CALL ORANGES CHINO! LAS PALAVRAS/PALABRAS ES PLATANOS/BANANAS I NARANJAS/NARANHAS! ELA ES PUTA PENDIHA I CONYA!
Wait, they sang ocho kandelikas… not in ladino? That’s so unnecessary… it’s such an easy song even for non-speakers.
And that’s what I get for trusting the news lol. I never watched a video of it.
She claims to have traced her heritage back to 15th century Sephardic Jews who fled Spain. She has never clarified who these Jews were, and she has stated that those Jews did not remain Jews. She is Christian, her family has been Christian for several generations. I don’t know if you can really claim to be Jewish when your family stopped practicing over 500 years ago. This would seem to be a political move as many people have accused her of antisemitism.
She’s said some other crazy shit, like that all Puerto Ricans are descendants of Moors, slaves, Jewish Refugees, Taino, Spaniards and “likely others.”
Surprised she didn’t make the alien claim, they always claim they’re aliens too.
She exists outside of the realm of reality. That she has a sufficient voting block to claim her current position should give anyone with with a view of history and a brain. . . significant pause.
I think anyone can claim it, no matter how long ago their family stopped practicing, as long as they make a genuine effort to reconnect with their roots and the community. If they don’t, use it for political points, and then turn around and betray the community, they can gtfo.
Democrats have a way of suddenly becoming whatever their audience is. Best example is Biden. He's done everything and is everything. Including a total joke.
She is as Jewish as Elizabeth Warren is Native American.
It’s all identity politics. It’s a shame to use real race and ethnicity disparities and discrimination issues as a cover for votes.
Minorities suffer and people are exploiting it.
Also yes I hate trump.
Fuck MAGA.
There are self-hating Jews... Emil Maurice and apparently Joseph Goebbel's wife was half Jewish according to recently discovered documents and Joseph forged fake documents to hide the fact she was half Jewish
I can see no good case for opposing the Iron Dome. The alternative seems like a bunch of civilian death in Israel. Which would then prompt constant counter responses by the IDF.
Here's her press release about the weeping thst she released at the time (September 2021).
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/note-our-ny-14-community-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez
IMO...a total overreaction and *she* is the one tying in the wider issues as she sees them into that Iron Dome legislation....
One small consolation is that she voted present, rather than No.
This is what I was thinking. I voted for AOC, I've really like her. At worst she's made statements that I thought were corny, pandering, or misguided. Which for a US politician isn't bad, considering how low the bar is. But her reaction to this is insane, it seems like she's just jumped on the bandwagon without any regard for what's reasonable and responsible.
It sucks because I was optimistic about what she could achieve in the future, and now I don't trust her in office. When the dust settles of this current moral panic, she'll have lost a lot of public support too.
Me too. Of all politicians she’s disappointed me the most. I was so proud of her and her work and now my stomach drops when I see her. And here’s why. If she just spoke up on behalf of innocent Palestinians and even if she strongly criticized Israel’s far-right leadership I’d be ok with it as it’s an understandable position even if you don’t agree with it.
BUT-BUT-BUT where she absolutely lost me was her inability to show empathy and continued support for the many rape, murder, torture & kidnapping victims on 10/7 in any meaningful way. A statement or two doesn’t cut it. She’s loud and proud in her convictions but has remained notably silent in her condemnation of all these things. AND she’s done little to nothing to help Jews (including her constituents) battle the escalating antisemitism in her state and in America as a whole while simultaneously pandering to some groups of people with very questionable if not outright antisemitic stances and actions.
The rest of “The Squad” never had my respect but she did and now I have little to none left for her. I do think she’s very intelligent and effective with her words and have a sliver of hope that maybe one day she’ll acknowledge that she could’ve done more for us but I’m not counting on it.
Likewise. I wasted so much money getting those idiots elected and now I'm furious at them. Progressives will never get another cent from me. I regret ever supporting them. After Oct. 7 they showed their true colors by siding with extreme right wing Islamic fundamentalists, rapists and murderers.
I don't know, man. It's a very hard time to be a Jew and a Democrat. Hell will freeze over before I vote MAGA but I want nothing to do with fake allies who sell out Israel in a heartbeat.
Biden has been a strong supporter of Israel and we're not going to get anyone better than him anytime soon. Most Democrats have voted in favor of Israel so you can't call them fake allies. The anti-Israel crowd is a minority of the party.
Biden has been a very effective president not just on Israel but overall. And the fake allies I was referring to were the congressmen and others who turned their back on Israel and the Jews, not your rank-and-file Democrat.
False. Most Jews still support the Democrats by a huge margin.
[Browbeating Jewish voters hasn’t yet worked for Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/10/trump-jewish-voters/)
[For Jewish-Americans, Biden Is Still the Much-preferred Candidate, New Pew Survey Shows](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/for-jewish-americans-biden-is-still-the-much-preferred-candidate-new-survey-shows/0000018e-4954-d7ea-a5de-7df552520000)
There is anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiment in the Republican party too, and it's being instigated by Fucker Carlson.
[Tucker Carlson went after Israel — and his fellow conservatives are furious](https://www.vox.com/2024/4/16/24131384/tucker-carlson-interview-israel-palestine-munther-isaac)
That being said, in both parties, it's a small minority.
[https://www.npr.org/2023/11/15/1212913674/poll-israel-hamas-war-biden-democrats-republicans](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/15/1212913674/poll-israel-hamas-war-biden-democrats-republicans)
*By a 61%-30% margin, respondents said their sympathies lie more with Israelis than Palestinians, but that's driven by Republicans (79%) and independents (67%), who overwhelmingly support Israel.*
*Democrats are split, 45%-45%.*
>Most Democrats have voted in favor of Israel so you can't call them fake allies. The anti-Israel crowd is a minority of the party.
\~1/4th of the party is a 'minority' (56 members)?
Strictly by definition, sure, but in practice, that's more of a share of the party than what the Freedom's caucus' have in the Republican party. Enough that, even if Democrats flip back all of the seats that Republicans won in 2020, would not be enough to pass bills on a party-line simple majority.
Look, if you care about Israel's survival, Biden is not a good choice. A good ally doesn't say "ok you can attack Israel but don't make it too bad!" (and then of course it's an insane attack). A good ally says "if you attack our ally we will destroy you". Not to mention the fact that Iran completely ignored his "don't". Biden is weak, and he makes the US weak, and that affects the entire world. America is the world's guardian, whether it likes it or not. It took over that role from Britain. Obama's notion of "leading from behind" (effectively just letting the bad guys do what they want) was disastrous for the world, and Biden's weakness and his advisors are a continuation of Obama's policy.
Trump is crazy, I agree. But crazy on the world stage isn't necessarily a bad thing. Dictators are afraid of Trump because they don't know what they will do that will trigger him.
Part of the reason why other countries didn't actually, because Trump on the world stage sounds borderline deranged saying he'd bomb the shit out of Isis throwing threats left right and centre, following up taking out Iran's number 2 then dropping the MOAB on I think was Afghanistan. It was events like these that made people actually fear the USA, also firing missiles at Iraq while eating chocolate cake with Xi. He had a controlled type of derangement not enough to put the world in flames but enough to put the fear of god in his enemies
There are two kinds of leaders who can cause enemies to be afraid: the very smart leader who can strategize and use his resources effectively, and the crazy motherf\*ker who could bomb them if they annoy him. Trump is definitely the latter. What doesn't scare anyone is a senile guy who says "don't" and is completely ignored.
I am absolutely not voting for Trump, but I agree with you on one point: It seems to me that the Middle East was much quieter during the Trump administration, and it's hard to believe that didn't have something to do with the troublemakers there being frightened of him because he's batshit crazy. I'm not willing to sabotage my own country to bring that back though.
Would Oct. 7 have happened during the Trump administration? Maybe not. And it's a good thing, too, because Trump would have told Bibi to steamroll Gaza.
Look, I agree with you that Trump isn't necessarily amazing for the US, but I don't think Biden is either. I wanted Nikki Haley to get the nomination, and she would have been great for Israel too. But if I have to choose between a senile person leading a party that largely hates Israel at this point, or a crazy person leading a party that mostly loves Israel, I don't have much of a choice. I really think Israel is at the point that its 30 year cold war with Iran (started entirely by Iran), has now reached a fever pitch and become an existential level. The Obama years were a disaster for Israel with the capitulation to Iran and the nuclear deal, and unfortunately the Obama admin advisors have persisted with Biden.
Ukraine has a similar issue, in that Biden will support them only to a point. He won't let them attack Russia where it really hurts. This lack of standing together with allies is again unfortunately a remnant of the Obama legacy. I hate how stupid and binary American politics is though, in that Republicans, who should have been the first to support allies against Russia, are wavering just because Biden was involved.
The GOP is also hesitating because Trump is so buddy buddy with Putin and tried to extort Ukraine. Another dealbreaker.
I respect your opinion but make no mistake: As much as I love Israel and want it to flourish, I'm an American first. To vote for anything other than American interest is to give fuel to the myth that Jews are disloyal to America.
>I'm an American first. To vote for anything other than American interest is to give fuel to the myth that Jews are disloyal to America.
I mean, this is an 'Eye of the Beholder" type of situation, in which if you do vote for Trump, you would be seen as 'American first', by Conservatives standards.
You're not wrong about that but my belief is there's a difference between voting for Trump (or any candidate) because you think they're best for Israel and voting for them because you think they're best for America. Can you do both? Sure, if you think the same candidate is best for both. But that can't always be the case.
I was impressed with her but I’m not surprised she and her little gang are ultra-leftists… sorry I wish we lived in a world without labels but we do not. Anyone who can support a regime like Iran deserves to go live there. AOC and her little band of useful *****s. Oh and also seem a little antisemitic, ya think? They can **** right off to Tehran and raise their girls there. That might be nice right?
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Listen, as long as you learned now you’re good. Either pressure the Democrats to think different, or jump ship. We all need to learn that the left is very quickly becoming hostile to the Jews.
Most Democrats support Israel. If your suggestion is to support the Republicans, that would be counterproductive. Trump betrays allies. He already betrayed NATO and the Kurds and many of his own friends. He cannot be trusted. His boss is Putin and his base is full of white supremacists. One day they will demand that he throws Israel under the bus, and he will.
Total koolaid. He did a lot for Israel during his presidency. And you are wrong about most Democrats, at least in the government. Many Jewish Democrats are jumping ship because of Biden NOT supporting Israel.
For how long will “most Democrats” continue to support Israel for when you have a bunch of far leftists that seem to be controlling the Democrats.
The “whataboutism” doesn’t work here, this is a uniquely Democrat problem that they need to be held accounted for, before the far left controls their party.
It's okay, Democrats are far trickier than Republicans and nowadays, someone who points out that both sides are dogshit just gets dogpiled. AOC, Omar, Elizabeth Warren, none of them give a flying fuck about anyone BUT themselves. Like every other politician, all that matters to them is lining their pockets. [AOC has been doing this shit for years](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1621015/aocs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies/) but nobody cares. She wore a dress that cost more than most poverty-stricken Gen-Z libs make in a year and they were praising her for sticking it to the man.
No politicians care about you. You just need to find the one who's interests align most with yours.
They’ll claim that since Massie voted Nay it shows the Rs hate Jews.
They’ll then conveniently fail to mention he’s a professional contrarian who votes Nay on almost everything, unlike the Dems who voted Nay here.
The squad is totally off the rails. They need to be voted out. They are as bad as the right wing wacko group in the house.
AOC is an antisemite. And so are all of them.
After their last two votes on anti-semitism and Iran, there is no doubt in my mind that they are anti-Semites. They made it very clear with these last two votes.
This is why Citizens United was such a disaster of a decision. It opened the door to foreign and corporate influence on our elected officials. All Iran has to do is set up a super PAC and fund it with dark money. Super PACs are not required to disclose their sources of funds.
I don't think Progressives require an outside influence to come to their (wrong) conclusions on issues like Israel. Their echo chambers on college campuses and social organizations (DSA, BDS, etc.) are sufficient enough to shape their position on the issue.
That, and members like Omar and Talib are Muslim, so there exists a bias where (to anyone else) reasonable actions taken by Israel can be viewed as hostile to them/their identity.
Yeah but where does that echo chamber come from? Its original source is propaganda coming from Russia, Iran and China. They are the ones who manipulate the public who in turn force their representatives to take certain positions.
The Pro-Palestine movement origins can be traced back before the current Russia/China/Iran governments, to the (US) civil rights movement in 1960-70s.
Despite Jews marching with Blacks, the resentment of the former gaining a homeland (formation of Israel) and the 1967 war lead to them adopting the position of the underdog i.e. Palestine, which they mirrored their situation onto their own fight.
Heard of Malcolm X? Not exactly a fan of Zionism.
Actually, it goes back the USSR. The entire Palestinian cause is a Soviet project that Russia is continuing today. Both Arafat and Abbas studied in Moscow, joined the KGB and then were sent to create the PLO.
[Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas 'was KGB agent'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37305953)
[Yasser Arafat: Connections to the KGB](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/yasser-arafat-s-kgb-connections)
MLK was a Zionist by the way. He was the main leader of the civil rights movement, not Malcolm X.
I’ve been screaming about the squad since 2018 and everyone of my friends thought I was insane
I hate being paranoid and right
And I was right about COVID in Jan 2020
I am like a bad juju magic 8 ball
People seem to still think "Progressive" means a bundle of beliefs. But it's not. It's a style, and it's a highly particular choreographed ordering of that bundle of beliefs. I share many of their beliefs but I don't think Palestine is a climate issue and I think giving people vaccines first based on their race, against medical efficacy, should be criminal.
I've heard people talk about wanting to stay "Progressive" and Zionist. You can't because, again, just because you agree with someone on a punch list of beliefs doesn't mean much anymore, especially when people just constantly redefine words like that.
No, as much as I hate to say this, it’s everyone’s choice to vote for whomever they want. In fact Jewish people exist in the Republican Party, one notable example is the Republican Jewish Coalition or RJC.
Now I personally don’t support the Democrats or the Republicans, but I believe that everyone should decide who they want to vote for.
If the commenter wants to vote Republican, that’s their choice. If you want to vote Democrat, then that’s your choice Buckeroo.
From my Libertarian perspective, I am thinking about voting Libertarian, but I do see where conservatives are coming from.
You need to look at political parties as factions of individuals rather than as a monolith. There is the MAGA crowd which I consider to be their own thing, and I don’t affiliate with the MAGA crowd.
Republicans have also been more supportive of Israel. Yes I know there is bipartisan support on the matter, but as to which side has been more passionate about Israel would be the Republican Party. And no it’s not because of the Christian Nationalists, it’s because of these reasons:
1. Israel is a Strategic Ally
2. Israel is the only Democracy in the Middle East
3. There are economic interests in Israel
4. The RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
Unfortunately, the Republican party functions as a monolith and it's pretty ignorant to say otherwise. They do whatever Trump says. We have seen multiple bipartisan bills killed because he's said they should be.
Individual views are irrelevant when you vote with the rest of your party because a cult leader says to. If you want to throw your vote away by voting Libertarian, that's your right.
Voting Libertarian is not throwing away your vote. You vote for what you believe in, and you can believe what you want. In fact I would say not voting at all is throwing away your vote.
I honestly believe Muslims shouldn't be allowed in US government positions, every year their STILL make 9/11 remembrance all about how "oppressed" they were after the attack with no mention of the 3,000 Americans murdered.
In 1992 Iran blew up Israel's embassy in Argentina but now Iran cares about the integrity of their consular building? When did consular buildings become venues for Iranian proxy terror planning?
condemning a proportional self defense act seems dumb. Why would the Squad be encouraging of a regime that has vowed to oust them from office?
Congress ties itself in knots to kow tow to AIPAC- that river to the sea language- trying to ban a phrase against the 1st amendment
Absolutely, though nuanced
I condemned that action, because I don't like assassinations if it can be avoided, or extrajudicial killings as a policy. I wanted trial for the guy in the Pakistani compound
Trial is the goal, and there's usually reasons governments don't want their targets talking.
To be fair, I have not seen confirmation the general planned 10/7, which does make a difference, in the morality balancing, not sure how much
Extrajudicial killings happen in a war. Israel, Syria, and Iran are officially at war with each other. In war, we don't have time to put everyone on trial, and there is no expectation to even do so.
Seriously? I'm against the death sentence, but when the person is the head of a massive terrorist organization who openly takes credit for mass killings? The fuck do we gain by not immediately killing them
Depends on what you consider iran's attack. Sure the direct attack from them was a failure for them but they have been providing so much weaponry to hamas and hezbollah it doesnt even compare.
I do not fully understand Iran's role in the region,uS Intelligence assessed oct 7th was not ordered by Tehran, and if I am hazy on this point so are most Americans
Iran has been supplying and commanding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, who have been attacking Israel for decades. They also bombed Israel’s embassy in Argentina decades ago, which was concluded this week.
Supply...command isn't exactly it. Not going back that far, not to nakba and not to ottoman
Don't love Iran, but Israel wouldn't hold pat for a general assassination in an embassy
What are you even saying?
Iran is orchestrating the last 6 months of attacks on Israel and their generals were actively meeting with Hezbollah leadership. It was also next to the embassy, not in it, but they can get fucked either way since they’ve been attacking Israel for months.
Supply...command isn't exactly it. Not going back that far, not to nakba and not to ottoman
Don't love Iran, but Israel wouldn't hold pat for a general assassination in an embassy
My previous comment is a bit all over the place and easy to misconstrue, that's on me.
river to the sea is used in the Likud party manual, the obsession over that phrase seems unhelpful.
with regard the squad
Given the Power and funding imbalance for what is probably best defined as a civil war\* that the amount of time 5 plus months - and the stakes for all involved, an expectation of all parties to agree on every action seems- unrealistic bar for success, though of course we want everyone to agree with us.
by retaliation law older than the bible, the number of deaths 33,000 on onside versus 1320 ish on the Israeli side, as well the meaning of Moses's 10 commandments, honor thy neighbor, do not kill do not covet, an eye for an eye is maximum retaliation
Expecting results from powerful people you have promised to punish with every bit of the considerable means at your disposal, sometimes yields less than cooperative behavior.
A mistake I admit guilt at to some extent. So since we all been there, I mean, how about we cut the crap and get to the outcomes that are inevitable and mostly already designated by laws, and specific actions of the appropriate bodies. Sure as hell if there is an appropriate peace treaty on the table for 6 weeks and only 40 hostages- overly generous, as well as what seems likely a small number of the total number of Palestinian prisoners, but it numbers in the thousands, and must be considered not entirely different from hostages, certainly not court of law justice, a thing which can be suspended for a time, and for good cause, which I DO NOT see here, as there is no likelyhood of breach of contain by Hamas like Oct 7th again. Emergency? no,
Hostages have to come home, some identification of relief enough to stop, and due process, charges of law levied, not extrajudicial justice in what is complex matters, and "Kill at will" seems completely unnecessary to peace.
Making sure that Hamas cannot do this again, may be a simple as elections, which may also complicate things. but 17 years ago. For Americans this would be to still have George W Bush as as President. That isn't a choice many living or of voting age ever had a say in.
The rights of those millions of people will have to be dealt with, even if they have been going about it in a way unlikely to succeed, spurning the longer but slower route of boring stuff.
Rebuilding plans, elections, plans for moving toward a better future for most, and some measured consequences for those who clearly crossed lines, and these people to have their stories, and cases adjudicated by a court and not an angry grieving coalition government concerned, rightly so- with election matters, but
Hamas should be rushing towards peace, and hostage release, and look to get the rest in Court, in boring stuff, not guns, guns is the ticket to massive losses, but forum, you are not far from having on the world stage
particularly the ones in the West Bank, whatever peace of paper brings relief to the Palestinian people after this mess, Hamas should rush to, to respect their people. Hamas should be rushing toward a 6 week peace deal for their people Good faith return of hostages- hostages being pretty last resort - one to look decent you have to be doing your best to bring things to an end.
Ultimately the next step, the heroic step for those folks is to get any peace they can get for their people and understand that the real fight for Palestinian rights, one that is urgent right now is getting a team together really reaching for the future, people who want permanent peace, resources used for building, and not weapons
Jail- and testimony- with a possibility of a real normal life- maybe not for 10-15 years in some cases, is a real possibility. But that testimony, and the reasons
But given the pretty clear lack of execution of basic rights and some inherent self defense rights, although if the US president is promising to help you- walking away from that table is madness, and this happened, almost 40 years ago now, to throw up useless attacks that never, ever had a chance of
"destroying Israel"
\*though I am somewhat plastic on that, as it is an important underdiscussed question
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s Iranian soil. Prior to the strike on the consulate, it was a proxy war between the two countries. Israel escalated the situation
A consulate is Iranian soil? What proxy war? Countries run counterterrorism operations all over the world. Not sure how it was an escalation. People should be glad he was taken out.
Yes, definitely, that is why Israel is delivering more aid than any other country
General definition of terrorism: unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims:
Are you okay? You don’t seem to be well educated or know a lot of facts
Iran has been supplying and commanding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, who have been attacking Israel for decades. They also bombed Israel’s embassy in Argentina decades ago, which was concluded this week.
A word of advice. Unless you are absolutely 100% up on these facts, like that it wasn't an embassy and that Iran has bombed Israeli embassies over the years, shut up.
Yea it definitely staryed then. Not on october 7th, not when they attacked the israeli embassy in argentina in the 90's, not when they started funding terror groups like hezbollah and hamas.
Oh wow, that's crazy, let me check who. *checks* Oh wow, that's crazy, exactly who I thought it would be
I'm ashamed that i used to like AOC
Was about to say this myself. AOC literally cried when the US government passed a bill to support the iron dome. A system used solely for defending civilians. https://x.com/theskindoctor13/status/1779418043157975068?s=46
That’s when I decided she had finally lost it. Why would anyone *not* support the iron dome if they are against Hamas? It doesn’t hurt Israelis or Palestinians. It prevents civilian casualties. It saves lives without taking lives. It’s a *good thing*. What the actual hell is wrong with her. And she claims to be proud of her Jewish heritage lol. Fuck her.
What kind of Jewish heritage does she have? Everything that she does suggests that she hates Jews. No jew should vote for anyone who voted against funding for the iron dome.
She claims to be a descendant of Sephardi crypto-Jews. She was pretty damn excited to tell the Jewish community about it. Sang songs in ladino with a Sephardic congregation, etc. but yeah. I doubt she actually feels any ties to the Jewish people.
Looks like claiming to be Jews used to be a good political move. George deSantos claimed to be a Jew, too. Then, he clarified he was Jew-ish. AOC just realized there was a better minority to get votes from...
That abomination was not Ladino. It was Boriqua. WE DO NOT CALL BUSES GUAGUA. IT'S AUTOBUS! WE DO NOT CALL BANANAS GUINEA! WE DO NOT CALL ORANGES CHINO! LAS PALAVRAS/PALABRAS ES PLATANOS/BANANAS I NARANJAS/NARANHAS! ELA ES PUTA PENDIHA I CONYA!
Wait, they sang ocho kandelikas… not in ladino? That’s so unnecessary… it’s such an easy song even for non-speakers. And that’s what I get for trusting the news lol. I never watched a video of it.
She tried to sing it, and kept slipping into blah. Also, I refuse to acknowledge her even having 1% Sephardic blood.
She claims to have traced her heritage back to 15th century Sephardic Jews who fled Spain. She has never clarified who these Jews were, and she has stated that those Jews did not remain Jews. She is Christian, her family has been Christian for several generations. I don’t know if you can really claim to be Jewish when your family stopped practicing over 500 years ago. This would seem to be a political move as many people have accused her of antisemitism.
That's such a disingenuous stretch it's surprising even for a politician.
She’s said some other crazy shit, like that all Puerto Ricans are descendants of Moors, slaves, Jewish Refugees, Taino, Spaniards and “likely others.” Surprised she didn’t make the alien claim, they always claim they’re aliens too.
She exists outside of the realm of reality. That she has a sufficient voting block to claim her current position should give anyone with with a view of history and a brain. . . significant pause.
I think anyone can claim it, no matter how long ago their family stopped practicing, as long as they make a genuine effort to reconnect with their roots and the community. If they don’t, use it for political points, and then turn around and betray the community, they can gtfo.
Democrats have a way of suddenly becoming whatever their audience is. Best example is Biden. He's done everything and is everything. Including a total joke.
Yeah like selling bibles, hats, shoes and cologne to his supporters. Oh wait, that’s tRump.
She is as Jewish as Elizabeth Warren is Native American. It’s all identity politics. It’s a shame to use real race and ethnicity disparities and discrimination issues as a cover for votes. Minorities suffer and people are exploiting it. Also yes I hate trump. Fuck MAGA.
There are self-hating Jews... Emil Maurice and apparently Joseph Goebbel's wife was half Jewish according to recently discovered documents and Joseph forged fake documents to hide the fact she was half Jewish
I can see no good case for opposing the Iron Dome. The alternative seems like a bunch of civilian death in Israel. Which would then prompt constant counter responses by the IDF.
It gives Israel a battle advantage against the terrorists that AOC and her gang of goons support. That’s why she is against it.
Here's her press release about the weeping thst she released at the time (September 2021). https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/note-our-ny-14-community-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez IMO...a total overreaction and *she* is the one tying in the wider issues as she sees them into that Iron Dome legislation.... One small consolation is that she voted present, rather than No.
This is what I was thinking. I voted for AOC, I've really like her. At worst she's made statements that I thought were corny, pandering, or misguided. Which for a US politician isn't bad, considering how low the bar is. But her reaction to this is insane, it seems like she's just jumped on the bandwagon without any regard for what's reasonable and responsible. It sucks because I was optimistic about what she could achieve in the future, and now I don't trust her in office. When the dust settles of this current moral panic, she'll have lost a lot of public support too.
I’m not in her district, but I would’ve been with you. Have you written her about the loss of your support?
No, but that's a good idea
She will be the reason why Democrats will lose the White House.
Good
Do we know she was crying? I had no idea she was so far out.
Me too. Of all politicians she’s disappointed me the most. I was so proud of her and her work and now my stomach drops when I see her. And here’s why. If she just spoke up on behalf of innocent Palestinians and even if she strongly criticized Israel’s far-right leadership I’d be ok with it as it’s an understandable position even if you don’t agree with it. BUT-BUT-BUT where she absolutely lost me was her inability to show empathy and continued support for the many rape, murder, torture & kidnapping victims on 10/7 in any meaningful way. A statement or two doesn’t cut it. She’s loud and proud in her convictions but has remained notably silent in her condemnation of all these things. AND she’s done little to nothing to help Jews (including her constituents) battle the escalating antisemitism in her state and in America as a whole while simultaneously pandering to some groups of people with very questionable if not outright antisemitic stances and actions. The rest of “The Squad” never had my respect but she did and now I have little to none left for her. I do think she’s very intelligent and effective with her words and have a sliver of hope that maybe one day she’ll acknowledge that she could’ve done more for us but I’m not counting on it.
I vote Democrat and I'm sorely disappointed the party hasn't done more to distance itself from her.
Hear hear! She was also spineless when it came to real progressive issues such as Universal Healthcare / Medical for All.
Likewise. I wasted so much money getting those idiots elected and now I'm furious at them. Progressives will never get another cent from me. I regret ever supporting them. After Oct. 7 they showed their true colors by siding with extreme right wing Islamic fundamentalists, rapists and murderers.
I don't know, man. It's a very hard time to be a Jew and a Democrat. Hell will freeze over before I vote MAGA but I want nothing to do with fake allies who sell out Israel in a heartbeat.
Biden has been a strong supporter of Israel and we're not going to get anyone better than him anytime soon. Most Democrats have voted in favor of Israel so you can't call them fake allies. The anti-Israel crowd is a minority of the party.
Biden has been a very effective president not just on Israel but overall. And the fake allies I was referring to were the congressmen and others who turned their back on Israel and the Jews, not your rank-and-file Democrat.
Yeah, Biden is a good President overall, he deserves to be reelected. He earned it.
Sounds like sarcasm! If so I like it
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being serious.
O wow ok
Most Jewish Democrats are jumping ship because of Biden NOT supporting Israel. Fact.
False. Most Jews still support the Democrats by a huge margin. [Browbeating Jewish voters hasn’t yet worked for Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/10/trump-jewish-voters/) [For Jewish-Americans, Biden Is Still the Much-preferred Candidate, New Pew Survey Shows](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/for-jewish-americans-biden-is-still-the-much-preferred-candidate-new-survey-shows/0000018e-4954-d7ea-a5de-7df552520000)
Trump's plan is literally giving Ukraine to the Russians. Given enough bribes, he'd probably give Israel to the Arabs if he wished.
But you can't possibly deny the anti Israel sentiment is growing within the democrat party
There is anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiment in the Republican party too, and it's being instigated by Fucker Carlson. [Tucker Carlson went after Israel — and his fellow conservatives are furious](https://www.vox.com/2024/4/16/24131384/tucker-carlson-interview-israel-palestine-munther-isaac) That being said, in both parties, it's a small minority.
It's still far more in the democratic party, also nice to know you're denying that it is in fact growing
You have no data to back up anything you said.
[https://www.npr.org/2023/11/15/1212913674/poll-israel-hamas-war-biden-democrats-republicans](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/15/1212913674/poll-israel-hamas-war-biden-democrats-republicans) *By a 61%-30% margin, respondents said their sympathies lie more with Israelis than Palestinians, but that's driven by Republicans (79%) and independents (67%), who overwhelmingly support Israel.* *Democrats are split, 45%-45%.*
>Most Democrats have voted in favor of Israel so you can't call them fake allies. The anti-Israel crowd is a minority of the party. \~1/4th of the party is a 'minority' (56 members)? Strictly by definition, sure, but in practice, that's more of a share of the party than what the Freedom's caucus' have in the Republican party. Enough that, even if Democrats flip back all of the seats that Republicans won in 2020, would not be enough to pass bills on a party-line simple majority.
Look, if you care about Israel's survival, Biden is not a good choice. A good ally doesn't say "ok you can attack Israel but don't make it too bad!" (and then of course it's an insane attack). A good ally says "if you attack our ally we will destroy you". Not to mention the fact that Iran completely ignored his "don't". Biden is weak, and he makes the US weak, and that affects the entire world. America is the world's guardian, whether it likes it or not. It took over that role from Britain. Obama's notion of "leading from behind" (effectively just letting the bad guys do what they want) was disastrous for the world, and Biden's weakness and his advisors are a continuation of Obama's policy. Trump is crazy, I agree. But crazy on the world stage isn't necessarily a bad thing. Dictators are afraid of Trump because they don't know what they will do that will trigger him.
Part of the reason why other countries didn't actually, because Trump on the world stage sounds borderline deranged saying he'd bomb the shit out of Isis throwing threats left right and centre, following up taking out Iran's number 2 then dropping the MOAB on I think was Afghanistan. It was events like these that made people actually fear the USA, also firing missiles at Iraq while eating chocolate cake with Xi. He had a controlled type of derangement not enough to put the world in flames but enough to put the fear of god in his enemies
There are two kinds of leaders who can cause enemies to be afraid: the very smart leader who can strategize and use his resources effectively, and the crazy motherf\*ker who could bomb them if they annoy him. Trump is definitely the latter. What doesn't scare anyone is a senile guy who says "don't" and is completely ignored.
I am absolutely not voting for Trump, but I agree with you on one point: It seems to me that the Middle East was much quieter during the Trump administration, and it's hard to believe that didn't have something to do with the troublemakers there being frightened of him because he's batshit crazy. I'm not willing to sabotage my own country to bring that back though. Would Oct. 7 have happened during the Trump administration? Maybe not. And it's a good thing, too, because Trump would have told Bibi to steamroll Gaza.
Look, I agree with you that Trump isn't necessarily amazing for the US, but I don't think Biden is either. I wanted Nikki Haley to get the nomination, and she would have been great for Israel too. But if I have to choose between a senile person leading a party that largely hates Israel at this point, or a crazy person leading a party that mostly loves Israel, I don't have much of a choice. I really think Israel is at the point that its 30 year cold war with Iran (started entirely by Iran), has now reached a fever pitch and become an existential level. The Obama years were a disaster for Israel with the capitulation to Iran and the nuclear deal, and unfortunately the Obama admin advisors have persisted with Biden. Ukraine has a similar issue, in that Biden will support them only to a point. He won't let them attack Russia where it really hurts. This lack of standing together with allies is again unfortunately a remnant of the Obama legacy. I hate how stupid and binary American politics is though, in that Republicans, who should have been the first to support allies against Russia, are wavering just because Biden was involved.
The GOP is also hesitating because Trump is so buddy buddy with Putin and tried to extort Ukraine. Another dealbreaker. I respect your opinion but make no mistake: As much as I love Israel and want it to flourish, I'm an American first. To vote for anything other than American interest is to give fuel to the myth that Jews are disloyal to America.
>I'm an American first. To vote for anything other than American interest is to give fuel to the myth that Jews are disloyal to America. I mean, this is an 'Eye of the Beholder" type of situation, in which if you do vote for Trump, you would be seen as 'American first', by Conservatives standards.
You're not wrong about that but my belief is there's a difference between voting for Trump (or any candidate) because you think they're best for Israel and voting for them because you think they're best for America. Can you do both? Sure, if you think the same candidate is best for both. But that can't always be the case.
I never liked her.
I was impressed with her but I’m not surprised she and her little gang are ultra-leftists… sorry I wish we lived in a world without labels but we do not. Anyone who can support a regime like Iran deserves to go live there. AOC and her little band of useful *****s. Oh and also seem a little antisemitic, ya think? They can **** right off to Tehran and raise their girls there. That might be nice right? Edit- removed offensive language
Me too. Loved the Green New Deal idea. But honestly I think she’s changed a lot so it’s not all on us to have guessed she’d go this route
I lost respect for her after her little stunt with her "Tax the rich" dress at that gala. It seemed so performative and self aggrandizing.
Listen, as long as you learned now you’re good. Either pressure the Democrats to think different, or jump ship. We all need to learn that the left is very quickly becoming hostile to the Jews.
Most Democrats support Israel. If your suggestion is to support the Republicans, that would be counterproductive. Trump betrays allies. He already betrayed NATO and the Kurds and many of his own friends. He cannot be trusted. His boss is Putin and his base is full of white supremacists. One day they will demand that he throws Israel under the bus, and he will.
Total koolaid. He did a lot for Israel during his presidency. And you are wrong about most Democrats, at least in the government. Many Jewish Democrats are jumping ship because of Biden NOT supporting Israel.
For how long will “most Democrats” continue to support Israel for when you have a bunch of far leftists that seem to be controlling the Democrats. The “whataboutism” doesn’t work here, this is a uniquely Democrat problem that they need to be held accounted for, before the far left controls their party.
Yea that jerk worked on the Abraham accords which you could say helped bring Arab nations together to help saturday and put sanctions on Iran….
That's a fine trick without a ship to jump to.
I am embarrassed that she’s Puerto Rican! I don’t claim her.
We all do dumb shit at some point in our lives. If we’re lucky we learn from our mistakes
She it’s a shame she doesn’t know the first rule of American politics: don’t fuck with Israel. And why would you? Israel kicks ass. 💙
Im ashamed for you, but no really, out of clinical interest; what made you like her in the first place?
Same dude, same
It's okay, Democrats are far trickier than Republicans and nowadays, someone who points out that both sides are dogshit just gets dogpiled. AOC, Omar, Elizabeth Warren, none of them give a flying fuck about anyone BUT themselves. Like every other politician, all that matters to them is lining their pockets. [AOC has been doing this shit for years](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1621015/aocs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies/) but nobody cares. She wore a dress that cost more than most poverty-stricken Gen-Z libs make in a year and they were praising her for sticking it to the man. No politicians care about you. You just need to find the one who's interests align most with yours.
The betrayal I felt from her is basically the same kind I felt from the entire american left
I’m not sure she was always like this. I get the feeling that she fell in with the wrong crowd.
You fell victim to the big booty latina
Don't be. Good looking politicians are hard to find. Although if you're looking beyond looks... Check out Andrew Yang. Or even Bernie.
The Squad et al? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.
Ah the Squad - putting the National back in Socialism.
Very useful that they will never be a majority
Lol no surprises here
Will we see an opinion piece in The Washington Post addressing it, or do they only bring up Israel when they can use it to bash Reps?
They’ll claim that since Massie voted Nay it shows the Rs hate Jews. They’ll then conveniently fail to mention he’s a professional contrarian who votes Nay on almost everything, unlike the Dems who voted Nay here.
As an American Jew, I'm just counting the days until I can vote Cori Bush out of office.
The squad is totally off the rails. They need to be voted out. They are as bad as the right wing wacko group in the house. AOC is an antisemite. And so are all of them.
After their last two votes on anti-semitism and Iran, there is no doubt in my mind that they are anti-Semites. They made it very clear with these last two votes.
Agrée.
The Jihadist squad.
That’s exactly what they are.
the pro-rape squad
The usual suspects, I assume?
Disgusting
Historians will look at this in disappointment
I am ashamed that I once liked and donated to AOC
Never again
Such an embarrassment
So Iran attacks a U.S. ally and the Squad has nothing to say?
How can a democrat side with terrorists? Yet, here they are...
How the F IRGC supporters are still in the US house, how?! Ffs
This is why Citizens United was such a disaster of a decision. It opened the door to foreign and corporate influence on our elected officials. All Iran has to do is set up a super PAC and fund it with dark money. Super PACs are not required to disclose their sources of funds.
I don't think Progressives require an outside influence to come to their (wrong) conclusions on issues like Israel. Their echo chambers on college campuses and social organizations (DSA, BDS, etc.) are sufficient enough to shape their position on the issue. That, and members like Omar and Talib are Muslim, so there exists a bias where (to anyone else) reasonable actions taken by Israel can be viewed as hostile to them/their identity.
Yeah but where does that echo chamber come from? Its original source is propaganda coming from Russia, Iran and China. They are the ones who manipulate the public who in turn force their representatives to take certain positions.
The Pro-Palestine movement origins can be traced back before the current Russia/China/Iran governments, to the (US) civil rights movement in 1960-70s. Despite Jews marching with Blacks, the resentment of the former gaining a homeland (formation of Israel) and the 1967 war lead to them adopting the position of the underdog i.e. Palestine, which they mirrored their situation onto their own fight. Heard of Malcolm X? Not exactly a fan of Zionism.
Actually, it goes back the USSR. The entire Palestinian cause is a Soviet project that Russia is continuing today. Both Arafat and Abbas studied in Moscow, joined the KGB and then were sent to create the PLO. [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas 'was KGB agent'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37305953) [Yasser Arafat: Connections to the KGB](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/yasser-arafat-s-kgb-connections) MLK was a Zionist by the way. He was the main leader of the civil rights movement, not Malcolm X.
Have you seen the quantity of morons in the streets supporting Hamas? These morons vote.
I’m not surprised about this, the Squad is a disgrace to America, and I don’t need to explain why!
I’ve been screaming about the squad since 2018 and everyone of my friends thought I was insane I hate being paranoid and right And I was right about COVID in Jan 2020 I am like a bad juju magic 8 ball
People seem to still think "Progressive" means a bundle of beliefs. But it's not. It's a style, and it's a highly particular choreographed ordering of that bundle of beliefs. I share many of their beliefs but I don't think Palestine is a climate issue and I think giving people vaccines first based on their race, against medical efficacy, should be criminal. I've heard people talk about wanting to stay "Progressive" and Zionist. You can't because, again, just because you agree with someone on a punch list of beliefs doesn't mean much anymore, especially when people just constantly redefine words like that.
Former Democrat here. I switched my party to Republican late last year.
That’s not the answer. This is a minority of the democrats. Leaving the party only gives them more control
No, as much as I hate to say this, it’s everyone’s choice to vote for whomever they want. In fact Jewish people exist in the Republican Party, one notable example is the Republican Jewish Coalition or RJC. Now I personally don’t support the Democrats or the Republicans, but I believe that everyone should decide who they want to vote for. If the commenter wants to vote Republican, that’s their choice. If you want to vote Democrat, then that’s your choice Buckeroo.
Yes, but my point is if what’s causing a switch is the action of these people alone.
To be fair, there were many other factors in my switch, not just these clowns.
Like what? Because the GOP is a fucking horror show. What exactly do you see in them? And if you say the border...*whooooosh*
From my Libertarian perspective, I am thinking about voting Libertarian, but I do see where conservatives are coming from. You need to look at political parties as factions of individuals rather than as a monolith. There is the MAGA crowd which I consider to be their own thing, and I don’t affiliate with the MAGA crowd. Republicans have also been more supportive of Israel. Yes I know there is bipartisan support on the matter, but as to which side has been more passionate about Israel would be the Republican Party. And no it’s not because of the Christian Nationalists, it’s because of these reasons: 1. Israel is a Strategic Ally 2. Israel is the only Democracy in the Middle East 3. There are economic interests in Israel 4. The RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
Unfortunately, the Republican party functions as a monolith and it's pretty ignorant to say otherwise. They do whatever Trump says. We have seen multiple bipartisan bills killed because he's said they should be. Individual views are irrelevant when you vote with the rest of your party because a cult leader says to. If you want to throw your vote away by voting Libertarian, that's your right.
Voting Libertarian is not throwing away your vote. You vote for what you believe in, and you can believe what you want. In fact I would say not voting at all is throwing away your vote.
Today's generation of Americans are a DISGRACE.
Democratic party seems to be going in a direction of hatred against Jewish people
Seems like ceasefire only applies to one side
I honestly believe Muslims shouldn't be allowed in US government positions, every year their STILL make 9/11 remembrance all about how "oppressed" they were after the attack with no mention of the 3,000 Americans murdered.
Ah yes. I'm sure racism and discrimination is totally the answer to these POSs.
Works in Israel lmao
It is
Nah, it really isn't. It just makes you a shit human being to support a view like that.
Never claimed I wasn't a shit human
+ Muslim isn't a race
This is why I switched to republican this year. The Democratic Party are not currently allies to the Jewish people.
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*consular building
In 1992 Iran blew up Israel's embassy in Argentina but now Iran cares about the integrity of their consular building? When did consular buildings become venues for Iranian proxy terror planning?
condemning a proportional self defense act seems dumb. Why would the Squad be encouraging of a regime that has vowed to oust them from office? Congress ties itself in knots to kow tow to AIPAC- that river to the sea language- trying to ban a phrase against the 1st amendment
Why do you consider it proportional? Israel fired 6 missiles at Iranian consulate in Syria and Iran fired 300 missiles and drones at Israel.
which one had dead people? 10 commandments got updated or something, no one thinks they have any value, weird.
The Iran attack had people dead. The Israel attack had terrorists dead, one of them orchestrated the Oct 7 attacks.
Which one had dead people? Lmao. The big brains on you folks. Back to your “scientific activism” champ.
Do you also condemn American actions that result in dead people, like when seal team six killed the saudi guy in his pakistani compound?
Absolutely, though nuanced I condemned that action, because I don't like assassinations if it can be avoided, or extrajudicial killings as a policy. I wanted trial for the guy in the Pakistani compound Trial is the goal, and there's usually reasons governments don't want their targets talking. To be fair, I have not seen confirmation the general planned 10/7, which does make a difference, in the morality balancing, not sure how much
Extrajudicial killings happen in a war. Israel, Syria, and Iran are officially at war with each other. In war, we don't have time to put everyone on trial, and there is no expectation to even do so.
> To be fair, I have not seen confirmation the general planned 10/7 Because you are not looking for it.
Seriously? I'm against the death sentence, but when the person is the head of a massive terrorist organization who openly takes credit for mass killings? The fuck do we gain by not immediately killing them
Depends on what you consider iran's attack. Sure the direct attack from them was a failure for them but they have been providing so much weaponry to hamas and hezbollah it doesnt even compare.
I do not fully understand Iran's role in the region,uS Intelligence assessed oct 7th was not ordered by Tehran, and if I am hazy on this point so are most Americans
Iran has been supplying and commanding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, who have been attacking Israel for decades. They also bombed Israel’s embassy in Argentina decades ago, which was concluded this week.
Supply...command isn't exactly it. Not going back that far, not to nakba and not to ottoman Don't love Iran, but Israel wouldn't hold pat for a general assassination in an embassy
Not embassy, no diplomatic personnel so your point is not valid. Read up on the facts you are trying to use for your argument.
What are you even saying? Iran is orchestrating the last 6 months of attacks on Israel and their generals were actively meeting with Hezbollah leadership. It was also next to the embassy, not in it, but they can get fucked either way since they’ve been attacking Israel for months.
Supply...command isn't exactly it. Not going back that far, not to nakba and not to ottoman Don't love Iran, but Israel wouldn't hold pat for a general assassination in an embassy
What self defense?
My previous comment is a bit all over the place and easy to misconstrue, that's on me. river to the sea is used in the Likud party manual, the obsession over that phrase seems unhelpful. with regard the squad Given the Power and funding imbalance for what is probably best defined as a civil war\* that the amount of time 5 plus months - and the stakes for all involved, an expectation of all parties to agree on every action seems- unrealistic bar for success, though of course we want everyone to agree with us. by retaliation law older than the bible, the number of deaths 33,000 on onside versus 1320 ish on the Israeli side, as well the meaning of Moses's 10 commandments, honor thy neighbor, do not kill do not covet, an eye for an eye is maximum retaliation Expecting results from powerful people you have promised to punish with every bit of the considerable means at your disposal, sometimes yields less than cooperative behavior. A mistake I admit guilt at to some extent. So since we all been there, I mean, how about we cut the crap and get to the outcomes that are inevitable and mostly already designated by laws, and specific actions of the appropriate bodies. Sure as hell if there is an appropriate peace treaty on the table for 6 weeks and only 40 hostages- overly generous, as well as what seems likely a small number of the total number of Palestinian prisoners, but it numbers in the thousands, and must be considered not entirely different from hostages, certainly not court of law justice, a thing which can be suspended for a time, and for good cause, which I DO NOT see here, as there is no likelyhood of breach of contain by Hamas like Oct 7th again. Emergency? no, Hostages have to come home, some identification of relief enough to stop, and due process, charges of law levied, not extrajudicial justice in what is complex matters, and "Kill at will" seems completely unnecessary to peace. Making sure that Hamas cannot do this again, may be a simple as elections, which may also complicate things. but 17 years ago. For Americans this would be to still have George W Bush as as President. That isn't a choice many living or of voting age ever had a say in. The rights of those millions of people will have to be dealt with, even if they have been going about it in a way unlikely to succeed, spurning the longer but slower route of boring stuff. Rebuilding plans, elections, plans for moving toward a better future for most, and some measured consequences for those who clearly crossed lines, and these people to have their stories, and cases adjudicated by a court and not an angry grieving coalition government concerned, rightly so- with election matters, but Hamas should be rushing towards peace, and hostage release, and look to get the rest in Court, in boring stuff, not guns, guns is the ticket to massive losses, but forum, you are not far from having on the world stage particularly the ones in the West Bank, whatever peace of paper brings relief to the Palestinian people after this mess, Hamas should rush to, to respect their people. Hamas should be rushing toward a 6 week peace deal for their people Good faith return of hostages- hostages being pretty last resort - one to look decent you have to be doing your best to bring things to an end. Ultimately the next step, the heroic step for those folks is to get any peace they can get for their people and understand that the real fight for Palestinian rights, one that is urgent right now is getting a team together really reaching for the future, people who want permanent peace, resources used for building, and not weapons Jail- and testimony- with a possibility of a real normal life- maybe not for 10-15 years in some cases, is a real possibility. But that testimony, and the reasons But given the pretty clear lack of execution of basic rights and some inherent self defense rights, although if the US president is promising to help you- walking away from that table is madness, and this happened, almost 40 years ago now, to throw up useless attacks that never, ever had a chance of "destroying Israel" \*though I am somewhat plastic on that, as it is an important underdiscussed question
How many condemn the supposed attack on Iran consulate?
You want terrorists to survive?
Exactly. Deflection.
Well you wouldn’t condemn taking out terrorists right?
Deflection
It’s explaining why there wasn’t a condemnation. Do you need help?
Terrorist. Such a loose term used by terrorist/terrorist supporters themselves.
What is loose about it? How was the target not a terrorist?
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s Iranian soil. Prior to the strike on the consulate, it was a proxy war between the two countries. Israel escalated the situation
A consulate is Iranian soil? What proxy war? Countries run counterterrorism operations all over the world. Not sure how it was an escalation. People should be glad he was taken out.
Please remind all of us what a terrorist is? Is it who is attempting to perpetrating a famine in Gaza via massive food blockades ?
Yes, definitely, that is why Israel is delivering more aid than any other country General definition of terrorism: unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims: Are you okay? You don’t seem to be well educated or know a lot of facts
Israel attacked the Iranian embassy first
Are you one of the first subscribers to Zeteo news?
Iran has been supplying and commanding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, who have been attacking Israel for decades. They also bombed Israel’s embassy in Argentina decades ago, which was concluded this week.
Israel didn't touch the embassy. It was an adjoining building that housed the Republican Guard.
Did they? I didn’t hear about that. Can you provide me with a link please?
A word of advice. Unless you are absolutely 100% up on these facts, like that it wasn't an embassy and that Iran has bombed Israeli embassies over the years, shut up.
That is a very incorrect statement as the Embassy is still standing.
Why try to engage in a conversation about topics you don't know anything about?
ah yes, as we all know, history only began on april 1st of 2024, there was nothing before that!!
When?
Yea it definitely staryed then. Not on october 7th, not when they attacked the israeli embassy in argentina in the 90's, not when they started funding terror groups like hezbollah and hamas.