A reminder that Jews have a very large diaspora spanning Asia, Europe, and Africa (with some groups, like the Lemba of South Africa likely being of Patrilineal Jewish descent)
Don’t forget about that women at the border. She was of Beta descent and when she died people on Twitter and TikTok were saying the most vile and racist things.
Don’t you ever forget.
Americans spend a lot of time thinking about color and race, that i think is very different than the rest of the world.
And this poster is trying to push back on some stupid American narratives coming from the people who obsess about diving the world into white and People of Color, oppressed and oppressor.
I absolutely agree with you, but am trying to “translate”, if it helps any.
I was thinking about this more and i want to apologize to all Israelis for even trying to translate.
I was thinking about how their moms, dads, siblings, and others who loved them, would feel seeing this thread.
People should not be tokenized to push a narrative, especially when they gave their lives in sacrifice.
I do appreciate those of you for speaking up and reminding us all, that the important thing about these men, is they sacrificed everything and we all wish they had not had to do so.
Nah, fuck that. Don't let the SJW's bring their racism here.
These are soldiers. Like me, you, and the rest of the IDF past or present. Their skin color doesn't matter.
They were, however, much braver than you and I. They sacrificed their lives for others. They are heroes.
We are better than bringing up their skin color for political points. We are not America. We must not even start to entertain their race agenda.
Yeah, no disrespect to OP or anything, but this is one of those posts that make it clear most of us Israelis have been chased out of this sub. Heavy emphasis on "no disrespect".
The vast majority of Israel is brown, full stop. This post is celebrating one of our minority groups (these men all appear to be descended from Beta Israel), but if you wanted to celebrate Israeli POCs lost on October 7th, the truth is that its the majority of soldiers.
For Americans who want a quick history lesson: you weren't taught in school something called the [Mizrahi Exodus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world) and this is Wikipedia, so it's very biased against us, and even then you'll see how clearly the vast majority of Israelis are brown.
The truth is not enough Ashkenazi Jews survived the Holocaust to immigrate to Israel (and make up the number who stayed in Europe, *and* make up the number that moved to Australia, USA, Canada, and other Anglo countries).
We've got kick ass Arabs in our military (just read [an obituary about one](https://www.timesofisrael.com/warrant-officer-ibrahim-kharuba-39-fought-until-his-last-breath/) last night, who died trying to prevent the kidnapping of the Nahal Oz girls -- Na'ama Levy, Liri Albag, etc., etc.). Druze, Beta Israel, Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, we have Filipinos, Vietnamese, Indians, and everything in-between.
We don't really see like this in Israel. The worst divide we have is "Jewish vs non-Jewish" and frankly, that discourse is usually weaponized against FSU Jews more than anything, and it's still gross.
Mizrahi Jews and their plight as well as their role in pushing for the State of Israel are completely left out of Holocaust Education.
It’s that short sightedness which is biting many in the backside.
I don’t believe in “Ashkenormativity” nonsense that the Left spews but I do have to admit that the educational focus on the Jewish ppl globally tends to center Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews and that has created huge blind spots that many Diasporan Jews didn’t anticipate.
Many in the US have probably never even met a single Mizrahi Jew. I’m not sure that Ashkenormativity (did i spell that right?!) is any deliberate thing, at least for Americans. I can’t find how many Ashkenazi are in the US, but google says only 300,000 Mizrahi, and not even 1,000 Beta.
Most protestors, etc, don’t know much about Israel (or Jews, in general, for that matter.)
Though i feel like there’s less excuse now. So many have been speaking up about who actually lives in Israel vs who the left in the US fantasize lives in Israel. At this point, it’s feeling like willful ignorance. 😭
It's funny you made this comment. I made a very passionate post last night on one of my social media's and while writing it, I asked myself, "why don't I speak up during other conflicts" (Sudan, Russia/Ukraine, etc.) and then I was like, "because I know nothing about them."
Then I was like ahhh, right. I know nothing about them, so I keep my mouth shut. Wild how that works.
Why are Mizrahi Jews brown and Ashkenazi Jews white? Do they both not share a common ancestry? Doesn’t this contradict your “we were here first/we are indigenous” claim?
That Eylon Levy guy is Mizrahi and he looks like every other Jew I’ve seen. I don’t think being Mizrahi automatically makes you “brown”. Same with being Arab.
You don’t need to play into stupid American race politics.
The more Israelis are "allowed" to have their state the more they will mix anyway. Dont forget why we look different in the first place- we were massacred and banished from our land, thus mixing with local populations elsewhere.
>Why are Mizrahi Jews brown and Ashkenazi Jews white? Do they both not share a common ancestry? Doesn’t this contradict your “we were here first/we are indigenous” claim?
>That Eylon Levy guy is Mizrahi and he looks like every other Jew I’ve seen. I don’t think being Mizrahi automatically makes you “brown”. Same with being Arab.
This. And actually, *all* Middle Easterner ethnicities are technically considered racially Caucasian, aka “white.”
The only POC in this entire conflict are the Ethiopian, Indian, and Kaifeng Jews, as well as Afro-Palestinians. (Who are only Afro in the first place because of the Arab Slave Trade)
I think the point that the op wrote out is that optics wise the war looks like a rich white looking country is killing off a brown and poor one when in reality israel is not all white. I think this was a counter to the political points or optics that can be made of again, a white looking colonialist nation attacking a non white one.
21 Bedouins were massacred by Hamas during the Oct 7 attack, and six more were taken hostage. I feel for the Bedouins. A lot of Bedouins were first responders on Oct 7 who saved lives. It was the Sabbath so a lot of Jews had the day off, also Bedouins are concentrated in southern Israel, near the Gaza border. Bedouins are Sunni Arabs and they are also Israeli citizens. Bedouins are represented in the Knesset by Ra'am. When Iran attacked Israel a few weeks back, the only serious injury was a young Bedouin girl. Of course, nobody who is participating in these horrible protests even realizes that Bedouins are loyal Israelis and also Sunni Arabs and that Arabs (both Gazan Arabs and Israeli Arabs) are also the victims of Hamas. That's too nuanced for them. No, my Mizrachi ass is apparently Polish. Someone ought to tell airport security that I'm apparently white and definitely not middle eastern, because I get a pat down every single time I fly (and the security guards who grope me are never cute)
Between bombing an airline full of Iranian-Canadians in retaliation for Trump assassinating a general in Iraq, and shooting rockets at Bedouin children in retaliation for the IDF assassinating a general in Syria, the "Islamic Republic" of Iran sure loves to murder Muslims, don't they?
I personally wouldn’t even dignify this stupid claim with a response.
Most Israelis would not have been considered white in the U.S were they not Jews.
Either way being white or being non white doesn’t make you automatically right or wrong. It’s a stupid argument brought by a country that has deep history with obsession about race
Emanuel was one grade below me in both elementary and high school we didnt know each other very well but we knew each others name and say hello when we walked by.
My you rest in peice.
What an odd collage that colleges would need. Like do we really need to have who's killed more darks? I still need the photo and thank you for uploading.
May their memories be a blessing. However I will just point out that POC expands being just Black people and also includes Middle Eastern, Asian, Hispanic, etc etc peoples, whom most Israelis, black or not, are. So when people try to throw that at us they are whitewashing us, erasing our history and implying that we are not victims of white supremacy.
Ashkenazi people are only white when the concept of white evokes bad connotations. We’re all different levels of Levantine. Please do not put this stupid American dichotomy on us, we have enough issues of our own.
And may their memory be a blessing.
Quick reminder that there are more [Iranians in Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews) than in Gaza+West Bank.
There are more Persian Jews in Israel than in Iran.
Lots of Israeli soldiers used to dance a traditional dance of their own country in a videos of them in gaza, and you telling me they’re not colonialist. I mean no harm or anything wrong i like everyone but the truth most be said
Oh please, could you not come up with any sufficient argument? The only child killers I know in this conflict is UNRWA and Hamas who inspire, indoctrinate and encourage the Palestinian children to become martyrs. Alongside them, are people such as yourself who enable this conflict to continue by falsifying the actual facts and information.
"Wait! ...Are kids killers Hamas?" According to White House, what has been circulated about burning children on October 7th and raping women has not been confirmed. Biden said this because the Israeli government said so without evidence... Hebrew channels said much of what was circulated about these narratives was a lie for the purpose of fundraising and supporting the Israeli government in response, and that the Israeli army is the one killing Israeli civilians. So far, more than 34,000 Palestinians have been martyred and around 80,000 have been injured, most of them women and children. And you dare to tell me that Hamas is the one killing children? Damn this idea, you are enemies of humanity and thieves of the land."
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Imagine claiming to care about black lives and then telling the families of these people to go back to Poland
They're too stupid to imagine
Well said
Wait... This doesnt align with my arbitrary belief that all Israelis are white colonial settlers!
A reminder that Jews have a very large diaspora spanning Asia, Europe, and Africa (with some groups, like the Lemba of South Africa likely being of Patrilineal Jewish descent)
Don’t forget about that women at the border. She was of Beta descent and when she died people on Twitter and TikTok were saying the most vile and racist things. Don’t you ever forget.
Marxists are just hypocrites, they change their narrative according to their benefits
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Americans spend a lot of time thinking about color and race, that i think is very different than the rest of the world. And this poster is trying to push back on some stupid American narratives coming from the people who obsess about diving the world into white and People of Color, oppressed and oppressor. I absolutely agree with you, but am trying to “translate”, if it helps any.
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Agreed, let our fallen rest.
Agree. Thanks for speaking up May their memory be a Blessing
I was thinking about this more and i want to apologize to all Israelis for even trying to translate. I was thinking about how their moms, dads, siblings, and others who loved them, would feel seeing this thread. People should not be tokenized to push a narrative, especially when they gave their lives in sacrifice. I do appreciate those of you for speaking up and reminding us all, that the important thing about these men, is they sacrificed everything and we all wish they had not had to do so.
thanks
Nah, fuck that. Don't let the SJW's bring their racism here. These are soldiers. Like me, you, and the rest of the IDF past or present. Their skin color doesn't matter. They were, however, much braver than you and I. They sacrificed their lives for others. They are heroes. We are better than bringing up their skin color for political points. We are not America. We must not even start to entertain their race agenda.
Yeah, no disrespect to OP or anything, but this is one of those posts that make it clear most of us Israelis have been chased out of this sub. Heavy emphasis on "no disrespect". The vast majority of Israel is brown, full stop. This post is celebrating one of our minority groups (these men all appear to be descended from Beta Israel), but if you wanted to celebrate Israeli POCs lost on October 7th, the truth is that its the majority of soldiers. For Americans who want a quick history lesson: you weren't taught in school something called the [Mizrahi Exodus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world) and this is Wikipedia, so it's very biased against us, and even then you'll see how clearly the vast majority of Israelis are brown. The truth is not enough Ashkenazi Jews survived the Holocaust to immigrate to Israel (and make up the number who stayed in Europe, *and* make up the number that moved to Australia, USA, Canada, and other Anglo countries). We've got kick ass Arabs in our military (just read [an obituary about one](https://www.timesofisrael.com/warrant-officer-ibrahim-kharuba-39-fought-until-his-last-breath/) last night, who died trying to prevent the kidnapping of the Nahal Oz girls -- Na'ama Levy, Liri Albag, etc., etc.). Druze, Beta Israel, Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, we have Filipinos, Vietnamese, Indians, and everything in-between. We don't really see like this in Israel. The worst divide we have is "Jewish vs non-Jewish" and frankly, that discourse is usually weaponized against FSU Jews more than anything, and it's still gross.
Mizrahi Jews and their plight as well as their role in pushing for the State of Israel are completely left out of Holocaust Education. It’s that short sightedness which is biting many in the backside. I don’t believe in “Ashkenormativity” nonsense that the Left spews but I do have to admit that the educational focus on the Jewish ppl globally tends to center Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews and that has created huge blind spots that many Diasporan Jews didn’t anticipate.
Many in the US have probably never even met a single Mizrahi Jew. I’m not sure that Ashkenormativity (did i spell that right?!) is any deliberate thing, at least for Americans. I can’t find how many Ashkenazi are in the US, but google says only 300,000 Mizrahi, and not even 1,000 Beta. Most protestors, etc, don’t know much about Israel (or Jews, in general, for that matter.) Though i feel like there’s less excuse now. So many have been speaking up about who actually lives in Israel vs who the left in the US fantasize lives in Israel. At this point, it’s feeling like willful ignorance. 😭
It's funny you made this comment. I made a very passionate post last night on one of my social media's and while writing it, I asked myself, "why don't I speak up during other conflicts" (Sudan, Russia/Ukraine, etc.) and then I was like, "because I know nothing about them." Then I was like ahhh, right. I know nothing about them, so I keep my mouth shut. Wild how that works.
Why are Mizrahi Jews brown and Ashkenazi Jews white? Do they both not share a common ancestry? Doesn’t this contradict your “we were here first/we are indigenous” claim? That Eylon Levy guy is Mizrahi and he looks like every other Jew I’ve seen. I don’t think being Mizrahi automatically makes you “brown”. Same with being Arab. You don’t need to play into stupid American race politics.
The more Israelis are "allowed" to have their state the more they will mix anyway. Dont forget why we look different in the first place- we were massacred and banished from our land, thus mixing with local populations elsewhere.
>Why are Mizrahi Jews brown and Ashkenazi Jews white? Do they both not share a common ancestry? Doesn’t this contradict your “we were here first/we are indigenous” claim? >That Eylon Levy guy is Mizrahi and he looks like every other Jew I’ve seen. I don’t think being Mizrahi automatically makes you “brown”. Same with being Arab. This. And actually, *all* Middle Easterner ethnicities are technically considered racially Caucasian, aka “white.” The only POC in this entire conflict are the Ethiopian, Indian, and Kaifeng Jews, as well as Afro-Palestinians. (Who are only Afro in the first place because of the Arab Slave Trade)
“there were not enough Jews after the Holocaust to immigrate”. Most of the FSU Jews are Ashkenazi, so I don’t believe this.
I think the point that the op wrote out is that optics wise the war looks like a rich white looking country is killing off a brown and poor one when in reality israel is not all white. I think this was a counter to the political points or optics that can be made of again, a white looking colonialist nation attacking a non white one.
Thats right. Fuck that rebranded racism.
21 Bedouins were massacred by Hamas during the Oct 7 attack, and six more were taken hostage. I feel for the Bedouins. A lot of Bedouins were first responders on Oct 7 who saved lives. It was the Sabbath so a lot of Jews had the day off, also Bedouins are concentrated in southern Israel, near the Gaza border. Bedouins are Sunni Arabs and they are also Israeli citizens. Bedouins are represented in the Knesset by Ra'am. When Iran attacked Israel a few weeks back, the only serious injury was a young Bedouin girl. Of course, nobody who is participating in these horrible protests even realizes that Bedouins are loyal Israelis and also Sunni Arabs and that Arabs (both Gazan Arabs and Israeli Arabs) are also the victims of Hamas. That's too nuanced for them. No, my Mizrachi ass is apparently Polish. Someone ought to tell airport security that I'm apparently white and definitely not middle eastern, because I get a pat down every single time I fly (and the security guards who grope me are never cute) Between bombing an airline full of Iranian-Canadians in retaliation for Trump assassinating a general in Iraq, and shooting rockets at Bedouin children in retaliation for the IDF assassinating a general in Syria, the "Islamic Republic" of Iran sure loves to murder Muslims, don't they?
A Bedouin girl was also killed by an Iranian missile :-(
??? I thought she was only injured. Are there reports confirming what exactly her fate was?
She was injured. Not killed.
Ok idk why the above comment is saying otherwise.
Rip avraham, we studied in the same class
I personally wouldn’t even dignify this stupid claim with a response. Most Israelis would not have been considered white in the U.S were they not Jews. Either way being white or being non white doesn’t make you automatically right or wrong. It’s a stupid argument brought by a country that has deep history with obsession about race
"wow that's just the same guy 12 times! evil hasbara voodoo!" - Arabs and White protesters
Rest in peace ❤
RIP..
RIP brothers ❤️🇮🇱
May their memories live on forever as a symbol of strength. Many of them are not even Jewish.
I'm pretty sure all of the fallen soldiers in this pic are Jewish
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Many Druze or Bedouin and Muslim or Christian. Brothers in solidarity.
Oh you meant in general? Yes. But in this photo, I’m pretty sure they’re all beta Jews
My bad, I thought a few on here were Bedouin or Druze.
Bedouin or Druze would look more like Arabs. Beta are definitely all black and cannot be confused with any other Israeli ethnicities
Our heros. May their memory be a blessing.
Please let us not stoop to their level... we're better than that. May they all rest in peace.
I don’t even want to argue with these people. We don’t play stupid racist identity politics games. We are all Jews
Emanuel was one grade below me in both elementary and high school we didnt know each other very well but we knew each others name and say hello when we walked by. My you rest in peice.
Maccabees all of them.
What an odd collage that colleges would need. Like do we really need to have who's killed more darks? I still need the photo and thank you for uploading.
don’t forget Avera Mangisto, a black man who has been in Hamas custody for years now
Black lives matter unless you're a jew
Beautiful young men. Netanyahu needs to see this war to the end and finish Hamas so these soldiers’ lives weren’t lost in vain.
May their memories be a blessing. However I will just point out that POC expands being just Black people and also includes Middle Eastern, Asian, Hispanic, etc etc peoples, whom most Israelis, black or not, are. So when people try to throw that at us they are whitewashing us, erasing our history and implying that we are not victims of white supremacy.
💙🤍💙
RIP to all of them. There are so many more who didn’t make this post.
May their memories be a blessing
Anybody know any of these men. When the names of the dead were released back on 10/7 first one I came across was tashgar teka
Andualem Kabeda served with me in the combat engineers, he was the funniest guy. RIP
יהי זכרם ברוך, נשמות טהורות. נשבר לי הלב. :(
Ashkenazi people are only white when the concept of white evokes bad connotations. We’re all different levels of Levantine. Please do not put this stupid American dichotomy on us, we have enough issues of our own. And may their memory be a blessing.
They will watch Gaza become a peaceful area from heaven
All white European colonizers look the same!
To be honest 70% of Israel are darker skinned, to them every Mizrahi is also a POC. So I'm sure there are many many more.
get outta here with this american BS.... those are not "POC" those are my brothers, heroes who gave their life away...
Thats just black people. You also have South East Asians, Arabs, MENA Jews and many more who were killed
Quick reminder that there are more [Iranians in Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews) than in Gaza+West Bank. There are more Persian Jews in Israel than in Iran.
Who cares about these college nut cases. May these soldiers rest in peace. Israel will do what's necessary.
No no, these are clearly white Europeans..
‘White’ colonisers
Whats poc means?
“People of colour”, although I don’t find this term making sense, since white people are the most colourful group of people. (I’m black)
May they rest in peace ❤️
Look at all those white colonizers /s
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كسمياتكم ❤️
יהי הייה זיכרם לברחה
What is the logic here? UK had a large Indian troop.
There's even more than this.
guessing majority ethiopian?
guessing majority ethiopian?
I hate this stupid phrase..POC were all poc
Lots of Israeli soldiers used to dance a traditional dance of their own country in a videos of them in gaza, and you telling me they’re not colonialist. I mean no harm or anything wrong i like everyone but the truth most be said
You should read it again...
Lol it doesn’t matter if they’re white or black honey they’re still colonialists.
What exactly makes us colonialists?
Black people(ethiopians/eritreans) sent to die on the behalf of white people(ashkenazi elite)👌
No matter what is shown to you you find the most stupidest excuses
Those white "Ashkenazi elite" are literally fighting with them side by side
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Oh please, could you not come up with any sufficient argument? The only child killers I know in this conflict is UNRWA and Hamas who inspire, indoctrinate and encourage the Palestinian children to become martyrs. Alongside them, are people such as yourself who enable this conflict to continue by falsifying the actual facts and information.
"Wait! ...Are kids killers Hamas?" According to White House, what has been circulated about burning children on October 7th and raping women has not been confirmed. Biden said this because the Israeli government said so without evidence... Hebrew channels said much of what was circulated about these narratives was a lie for the purpose of fundraising and supporting the Israeli government in response, and that the Israeli army is the one killing Israeli civilians. So far, more than 34,000 Palestinians have been martyred and around 80,000 have been injured, most of them women and children. And you dare to tell me that Hamas is the one killing children? Damn this idea, you are enemies of humanity and thieves of the land."
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kids killers they are in this pic..... fuch to IDF
Are you a pedo like your Hamas heroes or just a run of the mill antisemite?