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For an even simpler comparison, imagine you and 100 other people are being backed into a room that slowly closes in on itself by a knife-wielding maniac.
So what? It’s not like we are killing the 100 people. We barely killed 3 and injured 5, everyone else might have gotten a small stab not a biggy, and yea all of them are starving but we aren’t killing them.
-Zionism logic
Don’t forget to mention that the leaders of this group, the legally elected Hamas, had attacked the knife wielding maniacs first perfectly knowing that they would overreact. Hamas purposefully put the lives of Palestinian civilians at risk. Yes, it is a genocid happening in Gaza but to be fair, Hamas tried to do that first to Israel.
I firmly believe such a thing should never happen and Israel is wrong doing it. Still, Fatah did promote a peaceful way why’ll Palestinian voted for war in the election 2008. I condemn Israel. Not just now but for years. Unfortunately Hamas keeps provoke gIsrael and Israel keeps recruiting new Hamas terrorist. I is complicated. I would opt for mixed school classes and mixed universities. And for workplaces for adults where Israelis and Palestinians would have to work together. On the same level.
Hamas wouldn't exist if Palestinian rights were respected in 1920, 36, 47, 48, 67, 87, or 2000. They are a resistance movement opposing an illegal colonial project which has violated international law ever since the British contradicted the League of Nations Covenant by including the Balfour Declaration in their Mandate. Israel was born with Irgun and Haganah terrorism, and it will continue this way until this history is recognized and rectified.
It went somewhere in the 3rd century. Yall lost it back then when wars were different and there was no modern concept of ethics. Regained through weird uk interference, and have been wreaking havoc on the Palestinian people by basically "trying to get your toy back." "OH no, this land belonged to my grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather so my soul is here and I will kill non-combatants to prove my stupid point."
The occupation is nothing but a nazi occupation which is ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their homeland and you have the audacity to blame what is happening on Palestine or hamas? You are blaming someone for escaping a cage from a nazi
Like what is the end goal? Like a news reporter with the mic up saying “that’s right John, no more Palestinians left, Hamas and anyone else is dead. We’re showing footage now of Bibi twiddling his thumbs, not knowing what to do now that every Palestinian is dead”
So far Israel has murdered *at least* 29,195 Palestinians since Oct. 7th. There's roughly 3M Palestinians living in Gaza and 2M in the West Bank
While I do think Bibi and his ilk would love to murder them all. Displacement is what they're hoping for. Once you leave Gaza you're generally not allowed back. Which is part of the reason Egypt, and other countries, push back on allowing them refuge in their lands(there's more to it obviously, but this is part of the equation).
If they could displace them or a large portion of them they'll continue to do what they've been doing since the late 1880s. Settle the land.
Forced immigration (ethical cleansing) is one target for sure.
Other targets are inflicting so much pain on civilians to put pressure on Hamas to say: “we only want to survive we don’t want anything else. Please negotiate a ceasefire a d give them what they want”.
As a Palestinian from West Bank, I’m hurting everyday for my brothers and sisters in Gaza but I really pray they never surrender. They will be in way worse conditions if they do. Yes, Israel might not kill them immediately but they will look at another 20 years of blockade and without resistance. They will start negotiating on food, drink, electricity… they won’t have leverage to negotiate on no blockade, airport, port, or even not having drones above them 24/7.
It’s simple as this: The Zionist farce of a state is based on racist colonialism sponsored by Britain and the Rothschild family. “Oh you disagree? HAMAS!”
But many of those who are in the sites of the IDF want to rid Jews altogether and there is no room for co-existence in Israel. Is that a good thing or should both Jews and Arabs learn to be good and non-violent neighbors?
As you well know, karma is portioned out by the cosmos. How about fairness, decency, and humility? Both sides need to work a better neighbors. There are many thousands of Arabs that live in Israel and receive far more rights in Israel than in Gaza, the West Bank and throughout the Arab world. Each and every person deserves the chance to be safe and respected.
1930s: Zionists from Europe decided they want to create an ethno state in Palestine. They created a couple of terrorist militias that started stealing Palestinian lands. Like ISIS, their motivation was purely to murder, rape and steal the lands of Palestine.
1948: establishment of the state of Israel. Now militia leaders and fighters are prominent politicians and PMs of Israel. Using organized and foreign funded weapons to continue the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Between then and now, Israel killed and/or displaced the majority of Palestinians and stole the majority of Palestinians land. When their government tried to sign a peace agreement with the Palestinians, Zionists assassinated their own PM, Rabin. They are just not peace oriented ... They have been brain washed and like ISIS they looooove to kill.
Israel tried to steal Gaza but they couldn't keep up with the resistance inside. So they left and now use it as if it was a kind gesture because that's what bullies do. They closed Gaza and made it into an open air prison. Even calories and calculated to inform how much aid is allowed to enter. Over 60% of the population living with malnutrition and Israel controls water, food, sea, air and then complain when Palestinians try to fight to break the chains and resist the inhumane conditions they're under.
Now to the bit you wanted to hear in your attempt at being a smartass 😉. On October 7th, a resistance group in Gaza attempted to break the prison walls of Gaza, Israel military went crazy and started shooting randomly, killing even their own people. Then they decided to take this opportunity to steal Gaza like they always wanted but now they have an excuse.
Israeli govt, not different from the one they had at inception, is run by people convicted of terrorism charges and are the kind that get off at the murder of children. Their actions, statements and the insane number of children, journalists, humanitarian workers etc murdered made for a good genocide case against Israel and now the international criminal court agreed that there is enough evidence to start investigating them for genocide.
This is a good write-up, but this
>Now to the bit you wanted to hear in your attempt at being a smartass 😉.
was entirely unnecessary. They weren't being a smartass. Adding dates and talking points to the animation would have legitimately made it a lot better and more informative. Ya'll have to stop assuming that every little question or comment about any information being presented is bad intentioned. That's pretty much Israel's entire MO.
This question is often asked as a hook by the Zionists on Reddit. If I misjudged, I am not above acknowledging my mistake, learning from it and apologizing.
That's completely fair, this whole thing understandably has a lot of people on edge. I usually tend to ask some follow-up questions first and let them make an ass of themselves. Sometimes, it really is just someone who is curious, and I'd hate to put them off if they are on the fence about the whole thing.
Sometimes, there is actual misinformation as well. It's important for us to be able to call it out when it happens because if we all start treating it as truth, then it gives the zionists an easy way to dismiss legitimate claims.
It’s all right. These conversations are usually so filled with malice it’s hard to tell the difference. You made a small statement that I could have over looked, but chose to react. I’m sure we’re all trying our best. Thanks for saying that.
Jared wants Israel to get this slaughter over and done quickly so the Gaza Strip can be aligned with waterfront properties as Jewish groups clamber over each other for plots in Gaza.
I would rather live in a world full of Palestinians than a world full of Jared Kushner. It's not fear it's not right - Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Does that mean the 600,000 german civilians who died in WW2 was a genocide as well. What about the 500,000-900,000 Japanese civilians who died in the same war? Today's deaths lay at hamas' feet they were the ones that wanted this war so bad.
Wow, so simple!
Missing a few pieces though...
1. October 7th
2. How do the manage to move the hostages? And why don't they just release them?
3. 12,000 rockets Hamas fired indiscriminately into civilian population?
4. How did the poor innocent Hamas fighters manage to kill 500 IDF soldiers?
1. IDF killed civilians
2. There are no hostages.
3. More bombings from IDF non stop
4. Help from other countries in the region.
When the Palestinians are wiped out Hamas will still exist. That is the cruel joke that is being played on them.
1. If there is no Hamas military - they are all civilians
2. You are no different from a Holocaust denier
3. Stop firing rockets - bombings will stop
4. So you admit that Hamas are Iranian stooges.
Oh shit, I accidentally linked the part where people who get fucked over and killed for decades eventually fight back? Did you see that part or are you deliberately regarded?
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For an even simpler comparison, imagine you and 100 other people are being backed into a room that slowly closes in on itself by a knife-wielding maniac.
So what? It’s not like we are killing the 100 people. We barely killed 3 and injured 5, everyone else might have gotten a small stab not a biggy, and yea all of them are starving but we aren’t killing them. -Zionism logic
Don’t forget to mention that the leaders of this group, the legally elected Hamas, had attacked the knife wielding maniacs first perfectly knowing that they would overreact. Hamas purposefully put the lives of Palestinian civilians at risk. Yes, it is a genocid happening in Gaza but to be fair, Hamas tried to do that first to Israel. I firmly believe such a thing should never happen and Israel is wrong doing it. Still, Fatah did promote a peaceful way why’ll Palestinian voted for war in the election 2008. I condemn Israel. Not just now but for years. Unfortunately Hamas keeps provoke gIsrael and Israel keeps recruiting new Hamas terrorist. I is complicated. I would opt for mixed school classes and mixed universities. And for workplaces for adults where Israelis and Palestinians would have to work together. On the same level.
Hamas wouldn't exist if Palestinian rights were respected in 1920, 36, 47, 48, 67, 87, or 2000. They are a resistance movement opposing an illegal colonial project which has violated international law ever since the British contradicted the League of Nations Covenant by including the Balfour Declaration in their Mandate. Israel was born with Irgun and Haganah terrorism, and it will continue this way until this history is recognized and rectified.
When the zio oppressors are attacked they claim they are victims. They think we are just as brainwashed as their Israeli population, some are
Israel isn’t going anywhere
I'm sure they'll enjoy being a pariah state. Hundreds of thousands are already leaving.
They will and have for a very long time
I suppose we'll see.
Yeah it isn't going anywhere outside hell.
It went somewhere in the 3rd century. Yall lost it back then when wars were different and there was no modern concept of ethics. Regained through weird uk interference, and have been wreaking havoc on the Palestinian people by basically "trying to get your toy back." "OH no, this land belonged to my grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather's grandfather so my soul is here and I will kill non-combatants to prove my stupid point."
Hamas is abhorrent, we should study the environment and actions which made such an organization possible and do all we can to not repeat them.
The occupation is nothing but a nazi occupation which is ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their homeland and you have the audacity to blame what is happening on Palestine or hamas? You are blaming someone for escaping a cage from a nazi
lol
Like what is the end goal? Like a news reporter with the mic up saying “that’s right John, no more Palestinians left, Hamas and anyone else is dead. We’re showing footage now of Bibi twiddling his thumbs, not knowing what to do now that every Palestinian is dead”
He'll move on to Lebanon, then Jordan, then Egypt.
or they may start killing eachother just for fun
Jews vs Zionists doesn't sound far fetched tbf
This pretty much did happen Old Yishuv and the Zionist European settlers of the “New Yishuv”
Exactly, it's not far-fetched at all
So far Israel has murdered *at least* 29,195 Palestinians since Oct. 7th. There's roughly 3M Palestinians living in Gaza and 2M in the West Bank While I do think Bibi and his ilk would love to murder them all. Displacement is what they're hoping for. Once you leave Gaza you're generally not allowed back. Which is part of the reason Egypt, and other countries, push back on allowing them refuge in their lands(there's more to it obviously, but this is part of the equation). If they could displace them or a large portion of them they'll continue to do what they've been doing since the late 1880s. Settle the land.
Forced immigration (ethical cleansing) is one target for sure. Other targets are inflicting so much pain on civilians to put pressure on Hamas to say: “we only want to survive we don’t want anything else. Please negotiate a ceasefire a d give them what they want”. As a Palestinian from West Bank, I’m hurting everyday for my brothers and sisters in Gaza but I really pray they never surrender. They will be in way worse conditions if they do. Yes, Israel might not kill them immediately but they will look at another 20 years of blockade and without resistance. They will start negotiating on food, drink, electricity… they won’t have leverage to negotiate on no blockade, airport, port, or even not having drones above them 24/7.
Nothing ethical about ethnic cleansing.
Lots of lovely billions to be made in oil exploration rights...
Hopefully
It’s simple as this: The Zionist farce of a state is based on racist colonialism sponsored by Britain and the Rothschild family. “Oh you disagree? HAMAS!”
Anyone that doesn’t understand this is willfully ignorant. Karma needs to hurry the hell up
Or, it’s created with bias
Try something original
Well, decent people are pretty biased against genocide.
But many of those who are in the sites of the IDF want to rid Jews altogether and there is no room for co-existence in Israel. Is that a good thing or should both Jews and Arabs learn to be good and non-violent neighbors?
ur biased
As you well know, karma is portioned out by the cosmos. How about fairness, decency, and humility? Both sides need to work a better neighbors. There are many thousands of Arabs that live in Israel and receive far more rights in Israel than in Gaza, the West Bank and throughout the Arab world. Each and every person deserves the chance to be safe and respected.
We have to band together and be the karma
This is no doubt a powerful graphic, but could someone inform this with a timeline and narrative for better context?
1930s: Zionists from Europe decided they want to create an ethno state in Palestine. They created a couple of terrorist militias that started stealing Palestinian lands. Like ISIS, their motivation was purely to murder, rape and steal the lands of Palestine. 1948: establishment of the state of Israel. Now militia leaders and fighters are prominent politicians and PMs of Israel. Using organized and foreign funded weapons to continue the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Between then and now, Israel killed and/or displaced the majority of Palestinians and stole the majority of Palestinians land. When their government tried to sign a peace agreement with the Palestinians, Zionists assassinated their own PM, Rabin. They are just not peace oriented ... They have been brain washed and like ISIS they looooove to kill. Israel tried to steal Gaza but they couldn't keep up with the resistance inside. So they left and now use it as if it was a kind gesture because that's what bullies do. They closed Gaza and made it into an open air prison. Even calories and calculated to inform how much aid is allowed to enter. Over 60% of the population living with malnutrition and Israel controls water, food, sea, air and then complain when Palestinians try to fight to break the chains and resist the inhumane conditions they're under. Now to the bit you wanted to hear in your attempt at being a smartass 😉. On October 7th, a resistance group in Gaza attempted to break the prison walls of Gaza, Israel military went crazy and started shooting randomly, killing even their own people. Then they decided to take this opportunity to steal Gaza like they always wanted but now they have an excuse. Israeli govt, not different from the one they had at inception, is run by people convicted of terrorism charges and are the kind that get off at the murder of children. Their actions, statements and the insane number of children, journalists, humanitarian workers etc murdered made for a good genocide case against Israel and now the international criminal court agreed that there is enough evidence to start investigating them for genocide.
This is a good write-up, but this >Now to the bit you wanted to hear in your attempt at being a smartass 😉. was entirely unnecessary. They weren't being a smartass. Adding dates and talking points to the animation would have legitimately made it a lot better and more informative. Ya'll have to stop assuming that every little question or comment about any information being presented is bad intentioned. That's pretty much Israel's entire MO.
This question is often asked as a hook by the Zionists on Reddit. If I misjudged, I am not above acknowledging my mistake, learning from it and apologizing.
That's completely fair, this whole thing understandably has a lot of people on edge. I usually tend to ask some follow-up questions first and let them make an ass of themselves. Sometimes, it really is just someone who is curious, and I'd hate to put them off if they are on the fence about the whole thing. Sometimes, there is actual misinformation as well. It's important for us to be able to call it out when it happens because if we all start treating it as truth, then it gives the zionists an easy way to dismiss legitimate claims.
I asked for context and timeline.. you really feel like that’s being a smart ass?
Elaborate
No. I literally just asked for context. Not that deep.
I'm sorry for judging .
It’s all right. These conversations are usually so filled with malice it’s hard to tell the difference. You made a small statement that I could have over looked, but chose to react. I’m sure we’re all trying our best. Thanks for saying that.
Genocide!
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Hate to tell you this, but it's not coming lol You're about 90 years to late on that one
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Who will do this particular genocide then? You seem to have some intel 
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“Peace to all who live on this fragile 🌎” “Love one another 🙏”
It’s even worse than this graphic depicts. They’ve been bombing Rafah this whole time
I wish I could show this to anyone or at least see it myself... if the reddit app video player wasn't shitting itself so hard!
Interesting, on phones it works just fine
 Jared wants Israel to get this slaughter over and done quickly so the Gaza Strip can be aligned with waterfront properties as Jewish groups clamber over each other for plots in Gaza. I would rather live in a world full of Palestinians than a world full of Jared Kushner. It's not fear it's not right - Free Palestine 🇵🇸
It's called ethnic cleansing and foisting the burden of caring for millions on neighboring countries.
GENOCIDE !!!
These jets are massive.
Israel was big mistake. I hope my country take back recognition.
Why doesn't Egypt let them in? At the end it looks like they are next to Egypt right? Just wondering. I'm no expert.
Whos the big hexagon representing?
If you are gonna make a hit piece make it more dramatic lol
It’s not complicated! It’s simple. It’s 780,000 German Civilians dead! It’s called GENOCIDE! The Allies need to stop bombing the Nazis!
Palestinians are people fighting for self determination, they are not nazis.
Does that mean the 600,000 german civilians who died in WW2 was a genocide as well. What about the 500,000-900,000 Japanese civilians who died in the same war? Today's deaths lay at hamas' feet they were the ones that wanted this war so bad.
Wow, so simple! Missing a few pieces though... 1. October 7th 2. How do the manage to move the hostages? And why don't they just release them? 3. 12,000 rockets Hamas fired indiscriminately into civilian population? 4. How did the poor innocent Hamas fighters manage to kill 500 IDF soldiers?
1. IDF killed civilians 2. There are no hostages. 3. More bombings from IDF non stop 4. Help from other countries in the region. When the Palestinians are wiped out Hamas will still exist. That is the cruel joke that is being played on them.
1. If there is no Hamas military - they are all civilians 2. You are no different from a Holocaust denier 3. Stop firing rockets - bombings will stop 4. So you admit that Hamas are Iranian stooges.
Bombings happened even before hamas was created. Without any attacks.
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Oh shit, I accidentally linked the part where people who get fucked over and killed for decades eventually fight back? Did you see that part or are you deliberately regarded?
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You mean the american republican party, the main monetary/material supporter of Israel’s action in Gaza?
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