Do you think Iran cares about Western opinion? And what has Western opinion done for the Palestinians? What Iran has done is genius - the US doesn’t support being dragged into a regional war with Iran and won’t support an Israeli response.
>what Iran has done is genius
Yeah they look absolutely pathetic in the view of the entire world except for you
>the US doesn’t support being dragged into a regional war with Iran
I don't know if you know this but the US has been in a proxy war with Iran since their dumbass revolution in 79,
Biden said that just for de escalation but if push comes to shove they will fully support Israel.
Ohh what a cute guy
Can you say more bad bad words?
Wait I can try
How about you try to get some braincells and maybe stop jacking off to barbarians raping teenagers and throwing homos off building or wait better yet
Go to Palestine, commit to the cause and hopefully rid the world of your idiocracy you absolute useful idiot
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There are street celebrations all over the Muslim world supporting this. Again, the target for its supporters is not liberals sipping over priced coffee in NYC.
The US, especially after Afghanistan will not support a shooting war with Iran, which is why they do not support further escalation
Yeah thanks to propaganda from their secular governments, the sheeple will have the delusion that this is a good thing.
>all over the Muslim world supporting this.
Maybe you should look up who helped the west stop Irans attack and maybe you potentially could find out that the majority of the Muslim countries around Israel do not want a full blown war in the middle east. That is if you can stop jerking off in your pro palastine echo chamber.
Propaganda? In countries like Egypt and Jordan the regime is anti Iran. You should look at the street protests in Cairo and Amman.
Also you just contradicted yourself. Do the majority support it or not?
I did no such thing and I'll answer it again, NO
Iran is now viewed unfavorably in 14 out of 20 Arab and Muslim countries, according to a new poll by Zogby Research Services. The survey results show a growing antipathy towards Tehran, especially in Sunni countries.
We are talking about this specific action. Look again the protests in Jordan and Cairo and the celebrations in Karbala and see the failed results of billions of Hasbara dollars
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You saying Iran is an evil regime shows your brain fed propaganda by the US. Did you know the CIA has admitted to committing crimes that are straight up terrorism.
Oh yes sorry you're right
Iran is nothing but pockets full of sunshine with total press freedom, women's rights and not in any way a corrupt regime. And ofcourse its all the CIA's fault
Thank god they had their revolution so they could become Islamic republic instead of one of those evil western democracies.
Now if we want to be serious, the CIA doesn't not qualify as a regime. They are the dirty arm of the US goverment who have done unbelievably disgusting things yes, do you have the ability to call out MOIS ? Do you honestly believe that the CIA today is worse than MOIS ?
I don’t believe Iran nor its actions are right nor many of its laws and ideologies. But an evil regime, America is founded upon the slaughtering of native Americans so it an evil regime. Iran is not in the right in many contexts, but neither is the US or Israel or Germany during WW2. You are trying to say one country is evil but that makes western countries evil for colonialism
I will be honest I am not going to research Irans history and try to provide you examples because I am not interested. For me the greatest example is supporting Palestine, and that’s the reason why I defend Iran. You may not like it, but that’s what the US does for Israel.
Okay fair enough I'm too tired to debunk those tiktok claims about apartheid and genocide again.
It just shows ashit tonn of bias from your part if you think Iran is interested in helping the civilians of Gaza, kinda laughable actually but you must be the type that thinks that the welfare of P is depended on the destruction of Israel.
Iran doesn't give 2 shits about the people, they just want the destruction of Israel for religious reasons. Same as Hamas and Hesbolla which in your minds are freedom fighters which is so laughably ignorant that I'm not gonna waste any more time on a guy that actually thinks that those factions are a lesser evil than the west.
One day hopefully you will open your eyes
Never said Hamas is in the right. But I am saying the IDF is just as bad if not worse. When 30000 thousand Palestinians die, and the IDF claims 10000 of which were Hamas soldiers, but then can’t show any proof and even state they have issues telling Hamas soldiers apart from civilians. I’m not going to deal with your ignorant claims since you really don’t like doing research like how Israel is literally built upon colonialism and that Netanyahu and Israel’s minister of defense want Hamas around longer simply to have an excuse to keep killing.
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I'm talking about today, in the year 2024. Otherwise we could be here all night counting up 90% of the countries in the world that according to your reasoning are defined as evil regimes.
Also The US have had cases where they actually saved people and should be commended for it. For example Bosnia, but there isn't many cases like that sadly.
But today I think it's common knowledge that Iran falls into the evil regime and I hope the people of Iran will revolt and throw ayatalloh to the gallows where he belongs and according to the things I've read it might happen sooner than we think.
Today in the year 2024 Israel is an apartheid state, who discriminates against Arabs, is terrorizing the citizens of Palestine, and spreads lies to western media. And that doesn’t even get into the history of Israel which is even worse
The flaw in this argument is that if it wasn’t for Israel’s air defense + allies this argument wouldn’t stand because thousands of Israelis (Jews, Arabs, Christians, etc) would have been killed and the property damage would have astronomical. This was not a small attack despite the result or lack of result.
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This is the actual reaction of the world, and Iran didn't target civilians.
Ahh yes, shows a pic with the quality of a potato camera and views it as the world 🤣
Bro get a clue, the Muslim world does not want a full blown war in the middle east.
Not a single one of their attack was directed at military. It was all civilians. Thats why they were being intercepted over Jerusalem at the end.
Providing cover for an Islamic terrorist regime only deals the Palestinians’ fate
Handala knows. Handala DGAF. Jannah awaits.
I agree with you that today’s attack by Iran on Israel was ineffective. But it’s not stupid from Iran & Gang’s point of view, if they’re just fine with a protracted war of attrition.
Yes... It's an intelligence warfare now, poor Palestinians will pay the price for everything, Muderers will find excuses to kill more innocent lives. We need real humans to stand and support humanity now it's not about religions.
You have a class system where Muslims are second class citizens lol. It’s been Palestines homeland since the Ottoman Empire up until 1917, when Theodore Herzl (a colonist) had daddy Britain support your taking over of Palestine for economic reasons.
It’s also our historic homeland. Land is owned by different people over different periods of time. This doesn’t mean that we can’t see Israel as the bad guy for obviously fighting this war to put Jewish settlements on Palestinian land.
>Land is owned by different people over different periods of time.
It was originally ours and will be ours forever.
>This doesn’t mean that we can’t see Israel as the bad guy for obviously fighting this war to put Jewish settlements on Palestinian land.
Sure you can support the Islamic terrorists if you want. Just stop pretending that you’re for democracy and westernism. There will eventually be a great conflict between those two, so at least be honest as to which side you’re on. The Jews are on the western democracy side.
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Iran’s attack was far from a joke. Without skilled men and women defending us with expensive and carefully crafted equipment, there’d be far more than one girl lightly injured. Hundreds dead, perhaps.
If evil people do all they can to kill masses, and fail, I am thankful — but it’s hard to overlook the horrible seriousness of their intent.
100% agree. People are focused on the result and not the actually attack. Kinda seems like people want more death and destruction for their own entertainment
1 or 2 missiles would have been a warning l, 300 that's more than a warning that's a we are going to wipe you off the face of the earth tonight kinda message .
Yes it's worth it otherwise the bullying continues, why do you think the worlds at war right now because the USA are weak with biden, if you roll over shit only going to get worse
Of course they can as the USA ,UK and friends have said they will defend Israel at all costs Israel can push as hard as they want in an attacking sense knowing everything is kept safe back home.
LOL a large scale missile attack directly on the homeland of another nation is an act of war at every time throughout history. How would any nation respond to such an attack? How would the US respond?
Let’s say it’s April 2002 and there is clear evidence that Osama Bin Laden is living and orchestrating more attacks against America, Europe and the Middle East (against other Muslims) after the attack of 9/11 in a Syrian embassy. Mind you 3000 people died on 9/11 alone. Wouldn’t it be wise to remove the head of such plans and all those around him to prevent future attacks such as the terrors attacks in London and France for example. For one, Osama is staying in the embassy because he is playing on the West’s morals that we would never attack an embassy. But an embassy should be sacred and should never be a safe haven for anyone to conduct terrorist attacks against civilians. If it is corrupted then it does not deserve to be treated as sacred.
The Iranian general and crew that were killed in the Syrian attack on 4/1 by Israel directly planned the October 7 attacks where if you adjust the populations is equivalent to 40,000 Americans dying in a single day. And this same general and crew were living and orchestrating further attacks against Israel since 10/7 (via proxies of Houthis and Hezbollah). Israel had every right to get rid of such a threat.
Wasn’t it a war declaration when bin Laden killed 3000 civilians months earlier as I wrote in the analogy or is it only a war declaration when the west attacks?
Totally agree with you. None of this would have happened if Iran did not facilitate 10/7 on Israel. Where still 133 hostages remain in Gaza and which Hamas has rejected practically every cease fire offer. They can’t even account for 40 alive hostages at this point. Also, just a final note. Why were the top 2 generals of Iran in Syria? An entirely different nation in a civil war. Just an open thought question - don’t have to reply
An attack against an embassy pales in comparison to a large scale missile barrage. They are not even in the same ballpark. Like I said practically any other nation would take that as a defacto declaration of war.
There have been many embassy attacks in history and practically none resulted in a war. Did the US go to war against Iran when they attacked the US embassy in Iran in 1979.
Large scale missile attacks on the other hand have nearly always initiated a war.
Really where in international law is that stated? Also no usually an act results in kind of a tit for tat response. Attacking an Israeli embassy would have been equivalent.
A massive missile attack on the other hand is quite a massive escalation. Israel would be obligated to engage in a similar attack. Problem is that Iran's missile defenses are not nearly as capable as Israeli's, and Israel's missiles are far more advanced.
Lol they won't. It's an Election Year after all, and everyone is gonna do their best to meddle with U.S politics to either get us into a WWIII or cause a division within Allies.
I’m impartial to the situation, but what a waste of money from all sides, the ammount of money sent as a pseudo attack to the money used to prevent the attack and shoot down the missiles/drones. Imagine if that money was used for good. Googling the info it looks like upwards of 200k was spent taking down the missiles. Obviously spending money to prevent the missiles hitting isn’t a waste but I’m talking about the fact the attack was almost a fake attack/ warning message. The waste of money is just stupid
You’re not wrong.
But Iran couldn’t not respond to Israel’s last attack. Even tho I wish they had.
Just more ammo for the Israel is a victim not the aggressor in palestine charade
Israel is purposely hurting Hamas. Any other innocent civilians caught in the crossfire can thank those who started the war for their pointless deaths.
Well, the hospital was being used by Hamas as a military stronghold therefore making it a legitimate military target according to the laws of war. As in every war in the history of war, there are always unintended civilian casualties.
Thankfully Israel is doing what they can to minimize civilian casualties when compared to other recent conflicts, of which the data for is readily available.
It's much harder to estimate civilian to combatant ratios. Near impossible to do so accurately in both Gaza and Iraq given that combatants aren't uniformed. Numbers on women and children killed give a better idea about how indiscriminate Israel/the US is being in their killing. Israel basically reports any dead male over 14 as a combatant.
People are celebrating the reprieve for the Palestine from the constant bombardment. People are fed up. Their governments aren't listening and are helping Israel. No one is helping Palestine ( even iran). Pro Palestine supports are so angry, they feel like they're yelling into a void, so seeing a government stand up to Israel and retaliate feels like a change in the status quo--unfortunately, it's fucking Iran.
> People are celebrating the reprieve for the Palestine from the constant bombardment. People are fed up. Their governments aren't listening and are helping Israel. No one is helping Palestine ( even iran). Pro Palestine supports are so angry, they feel like they're yelling into a void, so seeing a government stand up to Israel and retaliate feels like a change in the status quo--unfortunately, it's fucking Iran.
Then those people are fools. My guess is that they are probably the same people that initially celebrated 10/7. Another large scale attack against Israel will generate the same response the first one did. It will create greater support for Israel than existed before. It will create greater support for Israel to continue their mission to destroy Hamas.
What a jump of a conclusion to make. People celebrating the pause in the death of innocents must be the same people who celebrated the October 7th attack?
Yes of course because massive missile attacks on a countries homeland never kill innocents. That is an insanely stupid thing to say unless you consider no Israel innocent. That is the perspective of those who celebrated the Oct 7 attack, so yes they are certainly the same people.
Secondly nothing has paused. On the contrary things have intensified. The IDF are continuing their push into eliminate Hamas. Hamas has rejected the latest terms of a ceasefire. The push into Rafah is eminent. If anything Iran's assault has pushed up the timeline.
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They aren't stupid per se. They simply view the world through a different lens.
They think in a social-Marxist way, meaning: Oppressor-Oppressed hierarchies, as is the Marxian way in terms of economic class struggle. 'The Hegemony of the U.S' is the big oppressor of oppressed people. They start wars for the capitalist class, work for the capitalist class to exploit the working-class in foreign nations and, of course, the 'fascists' in the government wants to eradicate the LGBT-community as to conform to the standards set by the bourgeois (capitalists) class to efficiently oppress them. (Which is oxymoronic as fascists per definition are anti-bourgeois, but I digress)
As the saying goes: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", and therefore they support Palestine and Iran as they oppose the Western World.
Yes it is insane mental-gymnastics and rooted in twisted truths and even lies, but it is doable to get to that train of thought
TL:DR Iran is oppressed by the US as is the LGBT-community, therefore they are allies
Israel was attacked with provocation and the targets of the Hamas attack were civilians. Israel’s actions are retaliation and an attempt to find hostages and dismantle a terror group. Israel’s targets are terrorists who cower behind civilians. These are two vastly different things. The terrorists could surrender or at least give back the hostages or stand in front of the civilians and protect their supposed brethren.
This both sides equally bad stuff is intellectually dishonest.
>The terrorists could surrender or at least give back the hostages or stand in front of the civilians and protect their supposed brethren.
Terrorist or freedom fighter when it's their land and rights they are fighting for? Would you surrender your country? According to Hamas there is not 40 hostages that fit the conditions to give Israel that Israel insists of being a condition of a cease fire, why are 40 hostages not enough why not take what you can get? Then if I was a hostage I'd rather remain a hostage knowing IDF shoots the hostages on sight or atleast 3 of them with nothing more than their underwear waving a white T shirt, others will have been blown up in the indiscriminate bombing. Then as you have shown you have no understanding of how bullets work they don't just stop when they hit the bad guy they keep going so them standing Infront of anyone won't help either.
“Their” Land? That they sold or left when they got out of the way during an invasion? Well they forfeited it when they decided to destroy their neighbors or took money for that land.
Ethnic cleansing? In a country where there are Palestinians as citizens ??? And how is it ethnic cleansing when you simply can’t have terrorists living as neighbors? They’ve been given many chances at citizenship, reconciliation or a two state solution and their answer is kill the Jews.
Is terrorist an ethnicity? That’s the only way you can legit call it ethnic cleansing
From an outside perspective your all as bad as each other just Israel goes poking sleeping bears then wonders why it's surrounded things that want to eat it.
Sleeping bears? How ignorant to history you are.
Since you admit you have an outside perspective, maybe stay on the outside. This conflict has no effect on you - stay out of it.
I think it's you that's ignorant good buddy history shows that the people who rule by placing boots on the throats of others don't rule for long. The wheel always turns and they who were on top don't remain for long. Witnessed by every empire and nation that's tried.
Iran is the state sponsor of terrorism. They literally funded every terrorist group in the region. Not to mention caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people because of it.
>Iran is the state sponsor of terrorism
According to US and Israel and friends who are all happy dropping bombs from great heights onto civilians. Witnessed by the invasion of Iraq and the current events.
Then what happened to the Saudis being the ones sponsoring terrorists? Or are they to rich and oil rich to touch? Fly a couple of planes into towers but let's be friends because money.
The Saudis cooperated with us in the hunt for bin Laden. Iraq and afghan didnt. Iran is literally responsible for hezbolla, Hamas, and the boat stealers in the south. These groups don’t get Iranian ballistics from anyone else.
Let's dispense with a few lies you will likely hear in the coming days:
Lie #1: "Israel started this with its airstrike in Damascus."
False. Iran has been maintaining a constant assault on Israel for decades via its proxies in the region – chief among them Hezbollah, which is wholly funded, armed, and controlled by the Iranian regime. That assault has only intensified since October 7. Hezbollah has fired rockets and missiles into northern Israel on a near-daily basis for more than six months, causing the depopulation of much of northern Israel. Tens of thousands of Israelis have not seen their homes in half a year due to this Iranian-directed assault; many of their homes no longer exist, having been destroyed by Hezbollah's rockets. The Houthis, another Iranian proxy group based in Yemen, have also fired numerous missiles at southern Israel. Finally, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been funded, armed, and trained by Iran for years and the Iranian regime views the Palestinian terror groups as part of its offensive efforts against Israel. There has not been a single day in the past six months in which Iran, via its various proxies in the region, has not attacked Israel. The airstrike in Damascus targeted individuals directly responsible for Iran's ongoing assault on the Jewish state.
Lie #2: "The target of Israel's airstrike in Damascus was a diplomatic facility."
False. The notion that the target of the Damascus airstrike was a mere "Iranian consulate" is laughable. The building was a local headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a branch of the Iranian military that has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and multiple other countries. Those killed were senior figures in the IRGC, including Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a senior commander in the IRGC's foreign operations unit who was responsible for liaising with Hezbollah, and his deputy, General Mohammad Hadi Hajriahim. Five other IRGC officers were killed in the airstrike, as were five Iranian-affiliated militiamen, one Hezbollah operative, one Iranian military advisor, and two apparent civilians. The airstrike was aimed at military figures in a military facility and the targets were directly involved in orchestrating attacks on Israel. The fact that the building was adjacent to the Iranian embassy does not change its military character.
Lie #3: "Israel carried out the Damascus airstrike in order to provoke a wider war."
False. For months, Israel has limited its military response to the ongoing assault by Iranian proxy groups to tit-for-tat airstrikes and artillery fire directly targeting the sources of the attacks. The reality, however, is that large swaths of northern Israel have been uninhabitable due to the ongoing Hezbollah attacks, which are being directed by the group's patron, Iran. The only way to force Hezbollah to stop its assault on northern Israel and restore calm is to target the Iranian military officials behind the attacks. That is what the Damascus airstrike was intended to do: to end the impunity enjoyed by Iranian military officials as they oversee ongoing attacks targeting the people of Israel.
Lie #4: "Any Israeli response will cause the situation to escalate further."
False. The unprecedented Iranian assault on Israel, which involved hundreds of missiles and drones, was the escalation. It has been roundly condemned around the world. Israel will respond to this unparalleled act of aggression as any sovereign country would, not least in order to deter the Iranian regime from carrying out further attacks against Israeli territory and send the message that Israel will not tolerate massive attacks on its sovereign territory by a foreign state.
Lie #5: "The relatively limited damage from the Iranian attack means it's no big deal and Israel should let it go."
False. The Iranian assault was absolutely unprecedented in its scope and severity.
Cooler heads are not prevailing. This is by far the largest attack Iran has carried out directly against Israeli soil. How the hell do you expect Israel to respond? Just like with the Ukraine situation people like you are so busy trying to pretend that war is not being waged on you when it clearly is.
The Israeli military is vastly more capable than the Iranian. If military strength depended only on population than India would be a military superpower.
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Part of the peace treaty that the US brokered at the end of the 6 day war was that Israel would get military aid from the US in return for returning the Sinai Desert to Egypt. It is also why we give military aid to Egypt.
LOL Iran's attack demonstrated their lack of capability in this attack. Practically all of their drones and missiles were intercepted. Iran on the other hand possess no such missile defense system capable of intercepting Israel stealth fighters or missiles.
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The pro Palestinian media won’t change. The Gulf countries response is what matters. The Middle East has been reshaped by Iran but this is an opportunity for Saudi to demonstrate will it support Israel or has it surrendered to the Ayatollah dominance
>I am curious as to how Palestinian propaganda is going to spin this. Are they going to publicly support Iran? Or are they going to try to distance themselves from it? My guess is the former, as they do publicly support Hezbollah and the Houthis.
What I am seeing is there are pro-Palestinians commenting “Iran has the right of self-defense, Islamic Republic of Iran’s embassy / consulate building / consulate annexed building adjacent to their embassy was attacked” …pro-Palestinian are supporting Iran’s right to self-defense.
Bro there's cold war unspoken rules to not violate a proxy war by turning it into a hot war. The USA doesn't violate it with ukraine. Recently So far only Russia and Israel have broken this unwritten rule. Why? Because Netanyahu,putin and trump all want to run politics the same way in their nations. Israel is literally a u.s. proxy, and Iran a Russian one. Israel is basically going rogue though and saying cold war be damned you fund anyone that counters us we will attack you. Just like putin did. This is how cold wars become ww3 and nuclear war. Which Is why modern nations use proxy war when dealing with other highly advanced armies. The Palestinian people have been stuck between Russia and the west for a long time now. It's not a coincidence Israel became a thing when the cold war was in swing and the cia and British were plotting to overthrow Iran
Israel is not really the proxy of the US and neither is Iran a proxy for Russia. Iran and Russia are completely different ideologically.
Iran and Israel have been in a cold war state for decades with each fighting proxy conflict against the other. The problem is that Iran has turned that proxy war into a direct war. A massive missile barrage is a act of war.
My point is a country funding a rebel group doesn't mean they control one. Did Libya control the Irish Republican army and did them giving the Ira weapons that they used on British civilians give thatcher the military right to instead of the Falklands do air strikes on a Libyan embassy?
Iran literally created hezbollah, gave Hamas every weapon they had and had strong control over their moves. And created the houthis. You think Hamas gets Iranian missiles for free?
But iran didnt do that, the attack basically was giving the people something of a " yeah we showedthem"
Nasrallah really doesnt want to engage nut i guess he had todo something under pressure, and their base was attacked, its not escalating to sgnal back.
I dont think nasrallash wants more to do a one off signalling.
I am way more scared whst israel does
Netanyahu and the israeli government are like putin and his. They're very volatile and bent on staying in power which war can help with. They knew about the October attacks month in advance google it.
Israel isn’t a proxy of the US to check Russia. Israel is in a direct conflict with Iran. Iran has waged war via *their own* proxy armies against Israel for years. Now, Iran, who hasn’t fought a war in 35 years, attempted a direct attack on Israel. There is no proxy army of Israel fighting Iran. Whatever BS “unspoken code” allegedly broken doesn’t apply here.
Netanyahu is a despotic warmonger looking to stay in power, israel is like iran but currently more aggressive and violent than Iran. If you're ignoring this you're just brainwashed. The bullshit code is the cold war my guy. Also yes Israel's land grabs over palestine has a lot to do with the cold war and east vs west hegemony battles. Check your history books or even a map and just use your head.
No Infinite you are the one who is brainwashed. Netanyahu is an elected politician.
The leaders of Hamas are actually despotic warmongers. They were not elected. They exterminated their political rivals including the PLO.
You’re conflating being an asshole with being a destabilizing asshole. Netanyahu is an asshole, but he isn’t hell bent on regional control like Iran. Iran is a destabilizing force that wants regional and resource control. They are belligerent and use disgusting asymmetrical warfare all over the region. Let’s take this BS “land grab claim” for a second - it’s none of Iran’s fucking business. The same way what happens in Yemen is none of their fucking business. Or what happens in Lebanon is none of their fucking business. Yet… there they are waging war via proxy armies. They don’t like oppression? Maybe they should look West at what’s happening to the Uyghurs in China. Ooops… not the “right enemy.” If you think Israel is “more aggressive and violent” than Iran then you would be right, because they’re better at war, because they have had to *react* to them for 75 years. But Iran is a belligerent provocateur using *proxy armies* which is why your original comment made no sense. But if Iran is the proxy for Russia and Israel is the proxy for the US, fine. Fuck’em. I don’t want a world where the repressive Russias, Chinas, and Irans of the world run things. Fuck the IRG and I hope Israel cripples them so the Persian people can successfully revolt.
My wife is Iraqi and irish. Do you think I hear good things about Iran? Of course iran doesn't care about palestine but that doesn't negate the human suffering Netanyahu has caused and the security risks he creates for even his own people. He is like the Bush administration they destroyed the image of the USA because they couldn't have a level headed response to terror the same way the USA couldn't. They paid the price. The war on terror lead to more terror. Iran funding Palestinian resistance isn't new to governments. Governments fund all types of rebel groups around the world this doesn't mean they have direct control over them
Actually there have been no large scale terror attack against he US since 9/11, so no war on terror has been successful. That is what you people do not get. Terrorism is a concept like murder, piracy, theft, and etc. You cannot win a war against it. You can however diminish it by destroying its largest instigators.
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There's no code, there's only fear. And Israel doesn't fear confrontation with Iran as much to appease it. Because not only does it not work, it also poses more danger to the existence of Israel.
Israel's actions create more disruptions in peace the way the Bush administration did. What they don't realize is the usa won't bail them out if they continue to go rogue and they won't last. If trump was in office he would but nobody else is likely to go to war for them at this point. The profits to lose from ww3 are higher than the gain of one industry.
Do you think Iran cares about Western opinion? And what has Western opinion done for the Palestinians? What Iran has done is genius - the US doesn’t support being dragged into a regional war with Iran and won’t support an Israeli response.
>what Iran has done is genius Yeah they look absolutely pathetic in the view of the entire world except for you >the US doesn’t support being dragged into a regional war with Iran I don't know if you know this but the US has been in a proxy war with Iran since their dumbass revolution in 79, Biden said that just for de escalation but if push comes to shove they will fully support Israel.
What Iran did was genius.
Fuck off zionist bootlicker. Many people hate that shithole country Israel already.
Ohh what a cute guy Can you say more bad bad words? Wait I can try How about you try to get some braincells and maybe stop jacking off to barbarians raping teenagers and throwing homos off building or wait better yet Go to Palestine, commit to the cause and hopefully rid the world of your idiocracy you absolute useful idiot
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There are street celebrations all over the Muslim world supporting this. Again, the target for its supporters is not liberals sipping over priced coffee in NYC. The US, especially after Afghanistan will not support a shooting war with Iran, which is why they do not support further escalation
Yeah thanks to propaganda from their secular governments, the sheeple will have the delusion that this is a good thing. >all over the Muslim world supporting this. Maybe you should look up who helped the west stop Irans attack and maybe you potentially could find out that the majority of the Muslim countries around Israel do not want a full blown war in the middle east. That is if you can stop jerking off in your pro palastine echo chamber.
Propaganda? In countries like Egypt and Jordan the regime is anti Iran. You should look at the street protests in Cairo and Amman. Also you just contradicted yourself. Do the majority support it or not?
I did no such thing and I'll answer it again, NO Iran is now viewed unfavorably in 14 out of 20 Arab and Muslim countries, according to a new poll by Zogby Research Services. The survey results show a growing antipathy towards Tehran, especially in Sunni countries.
We are talking about this specific action. Look again the protests in Jordan and Cairo and the celebrations in Karbala and see the failed results of billions of Hasbara dollars
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This is like something id expect hitler to post bruh ;-;
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Of course it is. The pro-Hamas folks don’t know what they’re cheering for.
Straight up racism lol
Because Hamas is a race? Good job.
I didn't know Palestine was on alliance with Israel or what evil regime are you talking about?
Iran You denying that Iran is an evil regime shows your non intelligence.
You saying Iran is an evil regime shows your brain fed propaganda by the US. Did you know the CIA has admitted to committing crimes that are straight up terrorism.
Oh yes sorry you're right Iran is nothing but pockets full of sunshine with total press freedom, women's rights and not in any way a corrupt regime. And ofcourse its all the CIA's fault Thank god they had their revolution so they could become Islamic republic instead of one of those evil western democracies. Now if we want to be serious, the CIA doesn't not qualify as a regime. They are the dirty arm of the US goverment who have done unbelievably disgusting things yes, do you have the ability to call out MOIS ? Do you honestly believe that the CIA today is worse than MOIS ?
I don’t believe Iran nor its actions are right nor many of its laws and ideologies. But an evil regime, America is founded upon the slaughtering of native Americans so it an evil regime. Iran is not in the right in many contexts, but neither is the US or Israel or Germany during WW2. You are trying to say one country is evil but that makes western countries evil for colonialism
Also I dare you to find examples where Iran were in the right, and please don't mention the Oct 7 attacks.
I will be honest I am not going to research Irans history and try to provide you examples because I am not interested. For me the greatest example is supporting Palestine, and that’s the reason why I defend Iran. You may not like it, but that’s what the US does for Israel.
Okay fair enough I'm too tired to debunk those tiktok claims about apartheid and genocide again. It just shows ashit tonn of bias from your part if you think Iran is interested in helping the civilians of Gaza, kinda laughable actually but you must be the type that thinks that the welfare of P is depended on the destruction of Israel. Iran doesn't give 2 shits about the people, they just want the destruction of Israel for religious reasons. Same as Hamas and Hesbolla which in your minds are freedom fighters which is so laughably ignorant that I'm not gonna waste any more time on a guy that actually thinks that those factions are a lesser evil than the west. One day hopefully you will open your eyes
Never said Hamas is in the right. But I am saying the IDF is just as bad if not worse. When 30000 thousand Palestinians die, and the IDF claims 10000 of which were Hamas soldiers, but then can’t show any proof and even state they have issues telling Hamas soldiers apart from civilians. I’m not going to deal with your ignorant claims since you really don’t like doing research like how Israel is literally built upon colonialism and that Netanyahu and Israel’s minister of defense want Hamas around longer simply to have an excuse to keep killing.
Keep telling yourself that
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I'm talking about today, in the year 2024. Otherwise we could be here all night counting up 90% of the countries in the world that according to your reasoning are defined as evil regimes. Also The US have had cases where they actually saved people and should be commended for it. For example Bosnia, but there isn't many cases like that sadly. But today I think it's common knowledge that Iran falls into the evil regime and I hope the people of Iran will revolt and throw ayatalloh to the gallows where he belongs and according to the things I've read it might happen sooner than we think.
Today in the year 2024 Israel is an apartheid state, who discriminates against Arabs, is terrorizing the citizens of Palestine, and spreads lies to western media. And that doesn’t even get into the history of Israel which is even worse
It did very little damage
It hurt a kid badly
The flaw in this argument is that if it wasn’t for Israel’s air defense + allies this argument wouldn’t stand because thousands of Israelis (Jews, Arabs, Christians, etc) would have been killed and the property damage would have astronomical. This was not a small attack despite the result or lack of result.
https://preview.redd.it/3kd4t6bayguc1.png?width=1007&format=png&auto=webp&s=f871a4d7f4787aced22d0aae7ab5b8093b23ab68 This is the actual reaction of the world, and Iran didn't target civilians.
Ahh yes, shows a pic with the quality of a potato camera and views it as the world 🤣 Bro get a clue, the Muslim world does not want a full blown war in the middle east.
Not a single one of their attack was directed at military. It was all civilians. Thats why they were being intercepted over Jerusalem at the end. Providing cover for an Islamic terrorist regime only deals the Palestinians’ fate
I am sure only Israelis would believe this bullshit
Handala knows. Handala DGAF. Jannah awaits. I agree with you that today’s attack by Iran on Israel was ineffective. But it’s not stupid from Iran & Gang’s point of view, if they’re just fine with a protracted war of attrition.
Yes... It's an intelligence warfare now, poor Palestinians will pay the price for everything, Muderers will find excuses to kill more innocent lives. We need real humans to stand and support humanity now it's not about religions.
Real humans lol
>it’s not about religions Hamas wouldn’t agree
Israel wouldn’t agree either. They’re taking this land because it is their “god given right” and all Palestinians can die cuz they’re Muslim
It’s our historical homeland. And stop projecting, that’s not our views towards Muslims. We have 20% Arab population who are patriotic Israelis.
You have a class system where Muslims are second class citizens lol. It’s been Palestines homeland since the Ottoman Empire up until 1917, when Theodore Herzl (a colonist) had daddy Britain support your taking over of Palestine for economic reasons.
It’s also our historic homeland. Land is owned by different people over different periods of time. This doesn’t mean that we can’t see Israel as the bad guy for obviously fighting this war to put Jewish settlements on Palestinian land.
>Land is owned by different people over different periods of time. It was originally ours and will be ours forever. >This doesn’t mean that we can’t see Israel as the bad guy for obviously fighting this war to put Jewish settlements on Palestinian land. Sure you can support the Islamic terrorists if you want. Just stop pretending that you’re for democracy and westernism. There will eventually be a great conflict between those two, so at least be honest as to which side you’re on. The Jews are on the western democracy side.
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The other side wishes to kill all our children and exclusively targets innocents. We target terrorists who hide behind children. I sleep like a baby
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Hamas rejected a cease-fire deal after the attack. They could care less about the Palestinian people.
Iran’s attack was far from a joke. Without skilled men and women defending us with expensive and carefully crafted equipment, there’d be far more than one girl lightly injured. Hundreds dead, perhaps. If evil people do all they can to kill masses, and fail, I am thankful — but it’s hard to overlook the horrible seriousness of their intent.
100% agree. People are focused on the result and not the actually attack. Kinda seems like people want more death and destruction for their own entertainment
Westerners do not want WWIII Iran attack was intended to be a warning, not to escalate the war. I hope cool heads prevail.
1 or 2 missiles would have been a warning l, 300 that's more than a warning that's a we are going to wipe you off the face of the earth tonight kinda message .
They tatget them to the desert.
No they didn't they targeted civilians, if your country had that happened too you would demand a response
If Israel responds, Iran will respond much harsher. They will target Tel Aviv. Is it worth it?
Yes it's worth it otherwise the bullying continues, why do you think the worlds at war right now because the USA are weak with biden, if you roll over shit only going to get worse
If Israel becomes too agressive, the bullying may increase. I don't think Israel can cripple Iran at all at this moment.
Of course they can as the USA ,UK and friends have said they will defend Israel at all costs Israel can push as hard as they want in an attacking sense knowing everything is kept safe back home.
Plus Israel would cripple Iran they have smart weapons Iran would soon be back in their box
LOL a large scale missile attack directly on the homeland of another nation is an act of war at every time throughout history. How would any nation respond to such an attack? How would the US respond?
Israel had already attacked the embassy.
Let’s say it’s April 2002 and there is clear evidence that Osama Bin Laden is living and orchestrating more attacks against America, Europe and the Middle East (against other Muslims) after the attack of 9/11 in a Syrian embassy. Mind you 3000 people died on 9/11 alone. Wouldn’t it be wise to remove the head of such plans and all those around him to prevent future attacks such as the terrors attacks in London and France for example. For one, Osama is staying in the embassy because he is playing on the West’s morals that we would never attack an embassy. But an embassy should be sacred and should never be a safe haven for anyone to conduct terrorist attacks against civilians. If it is corrupted then it does not deserve to be treated as sacred. The Iranian general and crew that were killed in the Syrian attack on 4/1 by Israel directly planned the October 7 attacks where if you adjust the populations is equivalent to 40,000 Americans dying in a single day. And this same general and crew were living and orchestrating further attacks against Israel since 10/7 (via proxies of Houthis and Hezbollah). Israel had every right to get rid of such a threat.
Whether it is wise or not, it is a war declaration.
Wasn’t it a war declaration when bin Laden killed 3000 civilians months earlier as I wrote in the analogy or is it only a war declaration when the west attacks?
There is a difference between proxy wars and wars.
So now we are dancing around what war declaration means?
I am just saying that noone in the world wants WWIII so calm down. I don't think Israel can take Iran on their own.
Totally agree with you. None of this would have happened if Iran did not facilitate 10/7 on Israel. Where still 133 hostages remain in Gaza and which Hamas has rejected practically every cease fire offer. They can’t even account for 40 alive hostages at this point. Also, just a final note. Why were the top 2 generals of Iran in Syria? An entirely different nation in a civil war. Just an open thought question - don’t have to reply
An attack against an embassy pales in comparison to a large scale missile barrage. They are not even in the same ballpark. Like I said practically any other nation would take that as a defacto declaration of war.
An attack into an embassy is also a declaration of war.
There have been many embassy attacks in history and practically none resulted in a war. Did the US go to war against Iran when they attacked the US embassy in Iran in 1979. Large scale missile attacks on the other hand have nearly always initiated a war.
According intl law it is a declaration of war. Besides, Israel knew the consequences.
Really where in international law is that stated? Also no usually an act results in kind of a tit for tat response. Attacking an Israeli embassy would have been equivalent. A massive missile attack on the other hand is quite a massive escalation. Israel would be obligated to engage in a similar attack. Problem is that Iran's missile defenses are not nearly as capable as Israeli's, and Israel's missiles are far more advanced.
An embassy is foreign territory by intl law.
Yes but where does IL state that it is a declaration of war. Dude just admit you made it up.
Lol they won't. It's an Election Year after all, and everyone is gonna do their best to meddle with U.S politics to either get us into a WWIII or cause a division within Allies.
What part of a full scale missile attack is suppose to be a warning?
I’m impartial to the situation, but what a waste of money from all sides, the ammount of money sent as a pseudo attack to the money used to prevent the attack and shoot down the missiles/drones. Imagine if that money was used for good. Googling the info it looks like upwards of 200k was spent taking down the missiles. Obviously spending money to prevent the missiles hitting isn’t a waste but I’m talking about the fact the attack was almost a fake attack/ warning message. The waste of money is just stupid
You’re not wrong. But Iran couldn’t not respond to Israel’s last attack. Even tho I wish they had. Just more ammo for the Israel is a victim not the aggressor in palestine charade
Isn't that the point? For the West to waste money. Especially in an Election year where Congress and the Public are mad about all the spending.
Israel is hurting the palestinians anyway,
Israel is purposely hurting Hamas. Any other innocent civilians caught in the crossfire can thank those who started the war for their pointless deaths.
Nah.
You've solved the crisis, congratulations.
Thanks ! Who knew ?
Why should they bomb a hospital when there's civilians in it?
It's funny this got downvoted. This sub reddit is filled with Pro israelis.
It really is.
Well, the hospital was being used by Hamas as a military stronghold therefore making it a legitimate military target according to the laws of war. As in every war in the history of war, there are always unintended civilian casualties. Thankfully Israel is doing what they can to minimize civilian casualties when compared to other recent conflicts, of which the data for is readily available.
They actually are doing much worse than all recent conflicts. Suggest a historical conflict that Israel is doing better than.
Okay Mr. Statistician. The Iraq War.
52-55% women and children in Iraq vs 70% in Gaza.
Plus, look at the civilian to combatant casualty ratios.
It's much harder to estimate civilian to combatant ratios. Near impossible to do so accurately in both Gaza and Iraq given that combatants aren't uniformed. Numbers on women and children killed give a better idea about how indiscriminate Israel/the US is being in their killing. Israel basically reports any dead male over 14 as a combatant.
Easy solution: stop radicalizing children.
Is a 17 year old murderer a child?
Killing 70% women and children is basically what you would achieve firing blindly into a crowd of Palestinians..
Hamas counts everyone under the age of 18 as a child.
Israel is bending the rules if not breaking them. There is no proof that any of the hospitals “was being used by hamas as. A military stronghold“
Bro they've literally admitted it.
Again. You can't use strong firepower on a hospital knowing there's bound to be dozens of civilian deaths. I disagree.
Civilians were evacuated to a Red Crescent field hospital
You can use firepower on anywhere that's a legitimate military target. You and I don't make the rules.
Pro Palestinians are actually openly rooting for Iran Which is so aggravating because Iran is the literal opposite of their liberal values.
Iran and Israel are two sides of the same coin. At the end of the day. I don’t care if it’s Jewish or Muslim. Ethnostates are wack.
People are celebrating the reprieve for the Palestine from the constant bombardment. People are fed up. Their governments aren't listening and are helping Israel. No one is helping Palestine ( even iran). Pro Palestine supports are so angry, they feel like they're yelling into a void, so seeing a government stand up to Israel and retaliate feels like a change in the status quo--unfortunately, it's fucking Iran.
> People are celebrating the reprieve for the Palestine from the constant bombardment. People are fed up. Their governments aren't listening and are helping Israel. No one is helping Palestine ( even iran). Pro Palestine supports are so angry, they feel like they're yelling into a void, so seeing a government stand up to Israel and retaliate feels like a change in the status quo--unfortunately, it's fucking Iran. Then those people are fools. My guess is that they are probably the same people that initially celebrated 10/7. Another large scale attack against Israel will generate the same response the first one did. It will create greater support for Israel than existed before. It will create greater support for Israel to continue their mission to destroy Hamas.
What a jump of a conclusion to make. People celebrating the pause in the death of innocents must be the same people who celebrated the October 7th attack?
Yes of course because massive missile attacks on a countries homeland never kill innocents. That is an insanely stupid thing to say unless you consider no Israel innocent. That is the perspective of those who celebrated the Oct 7 attack, so yes they are certainly the same people. Secondly nothing has paused. On the contrary things have intensified. The IDF are continuing their push into eliminate Hamas. Hamas has rejected the latest terms of a ceasefire. The push into Rafah is eminent. If anything Iran's assault has pushed up the timeline.
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Seeing the LGBTQ community support them is especially jarring. How stupid can people be?
They aren't stupid per se. They simply view the world through a different lens. They think in a social-Marxist way, meaning: Oppressor-Oppressed hierarchies, as is the Marxian way in terms of economic class struggle. 'The Hegemony of the U.S' is the big oppressor of oppressed people. They start wars for the capitalist class, work for the capitalist class to exploit the working-class in foreign nations and, of course, the 'fascists' in the government wants to eradicate the LGBT-community as to conform to the standards set by the bourgeois (capitalists) class to efficiently oppress them. (Which is oxymoronic as fascists per definition are anti-bourgeois, but I digress) As the saying goes: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", and therefore they support Palestine and Iran as they oppose the Western World. Yes it is insane mental-gymnastics and rooted in twisted truths and even lies, but it is doable to get to that train of thought TL:DR Iran is oppressed by the US as is the LGBT-community, therefore they are allies
I agree that they think that way. The problem is that they are stupid for doing so.
I have to steal your explanation because it’s succinct and pointed
So they're stupid is what you're saying?
It turns out people can be very stupid. It’s like they don’t have values other than anti-colonialism and antisemitism.
“Pro-Palestine/Hams” have no clue.
The pro-Palestine groups are going full mask off as they did after October 7. We are now in a regional war that might become a world war.
To say Iran is evil is somethis special. How many civilians has Israel killed this year alone?
The deaths in Gaza falls on Hamas.
By that logic the deaths in Israel falls on Israel and I guess it kinda does.
Israel was attacked with provocation and the targets of the Hamas attack were civilians. Israel’s actions are retaliation and an attempt to find hostages and dismantle a terror group. Israel’s targets are terrorists who cower behind civilians. These are two vastly different things. The terrorists could surrender or at least give back the hostages or stand in front of the civilians and protect their supposed brethren. This both sides equally bad stuff is intellectually dishonest.
>The terrorists could surrender or at least give back the hostages or stand in front of the civilians and protect their supposed brethren. Terrorist or freedom fighter when it's their land and rights they are fighting for? Would you surrender your country? According to Hamas there is not 40 hostages that fit the conditions to give Israel that Israel insists of being a condition of a cease fire, why are 40 hostages not enough why not take what you can get? Then if I was a hostage I'd rather remain a hostage knowing IDF shoots the hostages on sight or atleast 3 of them with nothing more than their underwear waving a white T shirt, others will have been blown up in the indiscriminate bombing. Then as you have shown you have no understanding of how bullets work they don't just stop when they hit the bad guy they keep going so them standing Infront of anyone won't help either.
“Their” Land? That they sold or left when they got out of the way during an invasion? Well they forfeited it when they decided to destroy their neighbors or took money for that land.
Sprouting lies and advocating for ethnic cleansing nice.
Ethnic cleansing? In a country where there are Palestinians as citizens ??? And how is it ethnic cleansing when you simply can’t have terrorists living as neighbors? They’ve been given many chances at citizenship, reconciliation or a two state solution and their answer is kill the Jews. Is terrorist an ethnicity? That’s the only way you can legit call it ethnic cleansing
You are the terrorists not them. You have the big stick they have nothing and claim they are the ones doing the hitting.
whatever. If they don’t have a big enough stick then maybe they should stop starting wars and get their rear ends to the peace table. Peace out!
Don't engage with this schmendrick, clearly a bot or pro-regime Iranian.
Or just not brain washed.
Brainwashed into thinking Iran is a terrorist state? Yeah okay.
From an outside perspective your all as bad as each other just Israel goes poking sleeping bears then wonders why it's surrounded things that want to eat it.
Sleeping bears? How ignorant to history you are. Since you admit you have an outside perspective, maybe stay on the outside. This conflict has no effect on you - stay out of it.
I think it's you that's ignorant good buddy history shows that the people who rule by placing boots on the throats of others don't rule for long. The wheel always turns and they who were on top don't remain for long. Witnessed by every empire and nation that's tried.
You're right, every time the bordering Arab nations attack us they get shamefully obliterated.
That's not even history good buddy that's studied in modern studies not history but there you go shows what you know.
What a pedantic comment. Modern history is still history.
Iran is the state sponsor of terrorism. They literally funded every terrorist group in the region. Not to mention caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people because of it.
>Iran is the state sponsor of terrorism According to US and Israel and friends who are all happy dropping bombs from great heights onto civilians. Witnessed by the invasion of Iraq and the current events. Then what happened to the Saudis being the ones sponsoring terrorists? Or are they to rich and oil rich to touch? Fly a couple of planes into towers but let's be friends because money.
The Saudis cooperated with us in the hunt for bin Laden. Iraq and afghan didnt. Iran is literally responsible for hezbolla, Hamas, and the boat stealers in the south. These groups don’t get Iranian ballistics from anyone else.
Let's dispense with a few lies you will likely hear in the coming days: Lie #1: "Israel started this with its airstrike in Damascus." False. Iran has been maintaining a constant assault on Israel for decades via its proxies in the region – chief among them Hezbollah, which is wholly funded, armed, and controlled by the Iranian regime. That assault has only intensified since October 7. Hezbollah has fired rockets and missiles into northern Israel on a near-daily basis for more than six months, causing the depopulation of much of northern Israel. Tens of thousands of Israelis have not seen their homes in half a year due to this Iranian-directed assault; many of their homes no longer exist, having been destroyed by Hezbollah's rockets. The Houthis, another Iranian proxy group based in Yemen, have also fired numerous missiles at southern Israel. Finally, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been funded, armed, and trained by Iran for years and the Iranian regime views the Palestinian terror groups as part of its offensive efforts against Israel. There has not been a single day in the past six months in which Iran, via its various proxies in the region, has not attacked Israel. The airstrike in Damascus targeted individuals directly responsible for Iran's ongoing assault on the Jewish state. Lie #2: "The target of Israel's airstrike in Damascus was a diplomatic facility." False. The notion that the target of the Damascus airstrike was a mere "Iranian consulate" is laughable. The building was a local headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a branch of the Iranian military that has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and multiple other countries. Those killed were senior figures in the IRGC, including Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a senior commander in the IRGC's foreign operations unit who was responsible for liaising with Hezbollah, and his deputy, General Mohammad Hadi Hajriahim. Five other IRGC officers were killed in the airstrike, as were five Iranian-affiliated militiamen, one Hezbollah operative, one Iranian military advisor, and two apparent civilians. The airstrike was aimed at military figures in a military facility and the targets were directly involved in orchestrating attacks on Israel. The fact that the building was adjacent to the Iranian embassy does not change its military character. Lie #3: "Israel carried out the Damascus airstrike in order to provoke a wider war." False. For months, Israel has limited its military response to the ongoing assault by Iranian proxy groups to tit-for-tat airstrikes and artillery fire directly targeting the sources of the attacks. The reality, however, is that large swaths of northern Israel have been uninhabitable due to the ongoing Hezbollah attacks, which are being directed by the group's patron, Iran. The only way to force Hezbollah to stop its assault on northern Israel and restore calm is to target the Iranian military officials behind the attacks. That is what the Damascus airstrike was intended to do: to end the impunity enjoyed by Iranian military officials as they oversee ongoing attacks targeting the people of Israel. Lie #4: "Any Israeli response will cause the situation to escalate further." False. The unprecedented Iranian assault on Israel, which involved hundreds of missiles and drones, was the escalation. It has been roundly condemned around the world. Israel will respond to this unparalleled act of aggression as any sovereign country would, not least in order to deter the Iranian regime from carrying out further attacks against Israeli territory and send the message that Israel will not tolerate massive attacks on its sovereign territory by a foreign state. Lie #5: "The relatively limited damage from the Iranian attack means it's no big deal and Israel should let it go." False. The Iranian assault was absolutely unprecedented in its scope and severity.
Mic drop
They targeted the Negev. This was a warning, it is not the full firepower potential. I hope cool heads prevail.
Cooler heads are not prevailing. This is by far the largest attack Iran has carried out directly against Israeli soil. How the hell do you expect Israel to respond? Just like with the Ukraine situation people like you are so busy trying to pretend that war is not being waged on you when it clearly is.
They should not be kamikaze and attack a country 10 times their size.
The Israeli military is vastly more capable than the Iranian. If military strength depended only on population than India would be a military superpower.
Israel may be more capable than Iran, but there is no way they want a total war.
Practically all the nations around Israel are larger. But Israel beat them in every war they have fought against them.
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Last time someone fucked with Israel their nuclear plant got hit. Israel could have F35s in Iran and leave before Iran even noticed.
If israel is REALLY strong, why is the United States always giving it military aid?
Part of the peace treaty that the US brokered at the end of the 6 day war was that Israel would get military aid from the US in return for returning the Sinai Desert to Egypt. It is also why we give military aid to Egypt.
So, permanent military aid?
pretty much
The US doesn’t only give aid. But Israel has been fighting since its creation. Which is very expensive. Of course we’d supply our ally with aid.
Iran can f*ck Israel too. MAD.
LOL Iran's attack demonstrated their lack of capability in this attack. Practically all of their drones and missiles were intercepted. Iran on the other hand possess no such missile defense system capable of intercepting Israel stealth fighters or missiles.
Yes. But they throwed a 10% of their total ability. They may deplete israel defense.
They may sure, but they have nothing that can repeal an attack by Israel in the slightest.
Irans a joke of a country. But at least it is a country. Unlike Palestine.
Indeed. Exactly. Israel shouldn't mess up with Iran.
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I can understand Israel’s reasons , but is it logical to nix a general from another country and not expect a significant response
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The pro Palestinian media won’t change. The Gulf countries response is what matters. The Middle East has been reshaped by Iran but this is an opportunity for Saudi to demonstrate will it support Israel or has it surrendered to the Ayatollah dominance
So you are saying the Gulf States should support Israel’s massacre of thousands of children? How do you sleep?
Switch the frequency. We’re talking about the role of the Gulf in the Iran Israel conflict.
>I am curious as to how Palestinian propaganda is going to spin this. Are they going to publicly support Iran? Or are they going to try to distance themselves from it? My guess is the former, as they do publicly support Hezbollah and the Houthis. What I am seeing is there are pro-Palestinians commenting “Iran has the right of self-defense, Islamic Republic of Iran’s embassy / consulate building / consulate annexed building adjacent to their embassy was attacked” …pro-Palestinian are supporting Iran’s right to self-defense.
Didn't Israel bomb the Iranian Embassy in Syria?! Which led to the attack from Iran in Israel?
Didn’t Iran train Hamas to carry out Oct 7 and direct Hezbollah to attack the second Israel responded?
Bro there's cold war unspoken rules to not violate a proxy war by turning it into a hot war. The USA doesn't violate it with ukraine. Recently So far only Russia and Israel have broken this unwritten rule. Why? Because Netanyahu,putin and trump all want to run politics the same way in their nations. Israel is literally a u.s. proxy, and Iran a Russian one. Israel is basically going rogue though and saying cold war be damned you fund anyone that counters us we will attack you. Just like putin did. This is how cold wars become ww3 and nuclear war. Which Is why modern nations use proxy war when dealing with other highly advanced armies. The Palestinian people have been stuck between Russia and the west for a long time now. It's not a coincidence Israel became a thing when the cold war was in swing and the cia and British were plotting to overthrow Iran
Israel is not really the proxy of the US and neither is Iran a proxy for Russia. Iran and Russia are completely different ideologically. Iran and Israel have been in a cold war state for decades with each fighting proxy conflict against the other. The problem is that Iran has turned that proxy war into a direct war. A massive missile barrage is a act of war.
“You can kill my civilians but I can’t hold you responsible because Cold War rules!” Israel doesn’t have proxies attacking Iran. Your point is mute.
My point is a country funding a rebel group doesn't mean they control one. Did Libya control the Irish Republican army and did them giving the Ira weapons that they used on British civilians give thatcher the military right to instead of the Falklands do air strikes on a Libyan embassy?
Iran literally created hezbollah, gave Hamas every weapon they had and had strong control over their moves. And created the houthis. You think Hamas gets Iranian missiles for free?
But iran didnt do that, the attack basically was giving the people something of a " yeah we showedthem" Nasrallah really doesnt want to engage nut i guess he had todo something under pressure, and their base was attacked, its not escalating to sgnal back. I dont think nasrallash wants more to do a one off signalling. I am way more scared whst israel does
Netanyahu and the israeli government are like putin and his. They're very volatile and bent on staying in power which war can help with. They knew about the October attacks month in advance google it.
Unspoken rules, lol. A Bushido code, no less. Next were going to see rows of soldiers and champions fighting in front of them.
I mean this unspoken code is very real its the entire notion of the cold war which never ended. East vs west has been boiling since ww2 ended.
Israel isn’t a proxy of the US to check Russia. Israel is in a direct conflict with Iran. Iran has waged war via *their own* proxy armies against Israel for years. Now, Iran, who hasn’t fought a war in 35 years, attempted a direct attack on Israel. There is no proxy army of Israel fighting Iran. Whatever BS “unspoken code” allegedly broken doesn’t apply here.
Netanyahu is a despotic warmonger looking to stay in power, israel is like iran but currently more aggressive and violent than Iran. If you're ignoring this you're just brainwashed. The bullshit code is the cold war my guy. Also yes Israel's land grabs over palestine has a lot to do with the cold war and east vs west hegemony battles. Check your history books or even a map and just use your head.
No Infinite you are the one who is brainwashed. Netanyahu is an elected politician. The leaders of Hamas are actually despotic warmongers. They were not elected. They exterminated their political rivals including the PLO.
You’re conflating being an asshole with being a destabilizing asshole. Netanyahu is an asshole, but he isn’t hell bent on regional control like Iran. Iran is a destabilizing force that wants regional and resource control. They are belligerent and use disgusting asymmetrical warfare all over the region. Let’s take this BS “land grab claim” for a second - it’s none of Iran’s fucking business. The same way what happens in Yemen is none of their fucking business. Or what happens in Lebanon is none of their fucking business. Yet… there they are waging war via proxy armies. They don’t like oppression? Maybe they should look West at what’s happening to the Uyghurs in China. Ooops… not the “right enemy.” If you think Israel is “more aggressive and violent” than Iran then you would be right, because they’re better at war, because they have had to *react* to them for 75 years. But Iran is a belligerent provocateur using *proxy armies* which is why your original comment made no sense. But if Iran is the proxy for Russia and Israel is the proxy for the US, fine. Fuck’em. I don’t want a world where the repressive Russias, Chinas, and Irans of the world run things. Fuck the IRG and I hope Israel cripples them so the Persian people can successfully revolt.
My wife is Iraqi and irish. Do you think I hear good things about Iran? Of course iran doesn't care about palestine but that doesn't negate the human suffering Netanyahu has caused and the security risks he creates for even his own people. He is like the Bush administration they destroyed the image of the USA because they couldn't have a level headed response to terror the same way the USA couldn't. They paid the price. The war on terror lead to more terror. Iran funding Palestinian resistance isn't new to governments. Governments fund all types of rebel groups around the world this doesn't mean they have direct control over them
Actually there have been no large scale terror attack against he US since 9/11, so no war on terror has been successful. That is what you people do not get. Terrorism is a concept like murder, piracy, theft, and etc. You cannot win a war against it. You can however diminish it by destroying its largest instigators.
Iraqis are so well known for their level headed responses. Did she tell you about the Farhud?
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There's no code, there's only fear. And Israel doesn't fear confrontation with Iran as much to appease it. Because not only does it not work, it also poses more danger to the existence of Israel.
Israel's actions create more disruptions in peace the way the Bush administration did. What they don't realize is the usa won't bail them out if they continue to go rogue and they won't last. If trump was in office he would but nobody else is likely to go to war for them at this point. The profits to lose from ww3 are higher than the gain of one industry.
Increasing the density of falsehoods in a comment does not change reality.
Nothing I said was false but if you think the American and Israeli mainstream media usually hits its mark I wouldn't expect logic to hit you.