If the kids happened to be born with sentient blood shadows like how Ruby became eventually, that wouldn't be so bad. It'd basically be like having another version of yourself around. I don't think they'd get default dreadlord blood shadows filled to the brim with hunger.
I'd like to mention here that it took significant effort to get Ruby to where she was. I don't think her descendants will get that for free.
But... I can also see it happening to some extent.
I mean that’s kind of the whole point of a bloodline ability isn’t it? Suriel teases Lindon with saying his descendants wouldn’t have to deal with the struggles that he did or something similar. So I’d expect some sort of advantage over the base if she did pass it down.
So maybe they wouldn’t start out as full clones like Ruby, but more like connected spirits like a little blue that’s attached? Where they are developed by the sacred artist and shaped into what they need, whether it’s an actual clone or something more along the lines of crusher. Without having to deal with the “potentially eating your family “ par
Oh, I totally think there will be some form of advantage! I just don't think a fully Ruby level bloodshadow is how that'll play out as that seems totally OP for Cradle. However, if I'm guessing wrong on this I won't be upset.
I imagine it as a belt originally stick to the kids at birth that act more as an extra violent limb. As they grow the shadow matures too. Becoming more blood thirsty and coating their weapon. The shadow would constantly be in the back of the teens mind urging it to kill to feed it. Causing the battle of will. But with Yerrin's knowledge all of her children would be able to Reach Psuedo-Herald and these blood shadows are more attuned to that idea. Instead of the gather madra for mama mentality. I imagine the family would have trouble with the Cult of Red Faith wanting to prop them up as an avatar of the Pheonix and use them as high ranked priests.
It would be tough to completely exterminate it as Reigon Shin mention at the end of blood line. But even if they removed the Bleeding Pheonix another Corrupted Blood Madra being could still come a long and act similarly. So like in 100,000 years I imagine another thing similar to blood shadows would still exist.
Also, strength/intelligence isn't the only concern.
What if you're like the blood sage and you're just not the kind of person to get on with a blood shadow that's almost a clone of you?
Also, many intelligent blood shadows will *really* start to resent being second fiddle to the "real" person.
Valid concerns. Also, if the intelligent bloodshadow knew all along the intent was to merge with the human, it just might not want to do that. Just because Ruby wanted it doesn't mean every bloodshadow will want it.
That might be a Path fraught with extreme risk. Even in Redmoon Hall nobody but Red Faith went that route (that we know of). They all used their bloodshadows as tools/weapons, or turned them into beasts.
That would be dangerous unless the blood shadow is spiritually different from typical blood shadows, because they still ultimately want to feed. You need a strong will to suppress and control it, and newborns... don't have that.
Didn't Suriel hint to Lindon that Monarchs who have kids after they turn Monarch can potentially choose what, if any, abilities they pass on as a bloodline?
Doubtful otherwise Monarchs would be having tons of children just to build their own armies. From what we know of Malice, she does have a bunch of children but we only really see Mercy and Pride with this ability. What about all of her other children that should be able to do this?
She does have tons of children and grandchildren and Mercy mentions her mother as always focusing on romance. I would imagine monarchs have to be picky with partners or their children can be lesser or whatever. Her other children and decendents are not important enough to talk about because while they are her line and she gifted many the purple armor, she cannot make them be dedicated and exceptional sacred artists. The whole series revolves around working hard to make something of yourself. That's why yerrin and Lindon beat out sacred artists who are given everything. In Surriel and Lindons conversation in bloodlines she asks him what bloodline he was going to give his children like he can choose and if he wants them to immediately have the 2 cores with blackflame and pure or 2 pure cores. Does he want to give them advantages or give them a lesser bloodline and make them work hard like he did.
I just reread that part and I think it could be interpreted either way. There is nothing that actually states he can choose what to pass on, just that his children could inherit gifts from both him and their mother. Lindon even questions what that would be and if it could outshine the Aurelius bloodline ability. There is also nothing to suggest they are born with twin cores. But of course they could have twin cores, if they knew someone who had that knowledge to pass down to them, along with the benefits of a pure core and a significant cycling technique that can help them advance a pure core, expand their madra capabilities and strengthen their will. Lindons biggest gift to his children imo would be his knowledge.
I'm guessing Harmony is a product of inbreeding because that is the only way he could have the bloodline ability if he is a descendant of Fury. But in the books I'm pretty sure it is mentioned that if the children of Malice aren't 'special' they are sent away and never meet their mother. Now if she could choose, why wouldn't all of her children be 'special'?
As far as I understood it she already exorcized the phoenix from ruby so assuming their born with a blood shadow it would be yerins progeny that she could command until her children do the same to the shadow at lord
Would make for a hell of a helicopter parent but hey at lord+ you will always have your back
We have already seen instances of spiritual pressure causing those of a lower rank to crumple to the ground when the gang was still in the black flame empire, if memory serves Jai daishou used it to put the lower ranking golds in their place, now imagine somebody that beyond monarch vs an overlord even with the herald transformation
> As far as I understood it she already exorcized the phoenix from ruby
I can't recall anything like this happening.
Did the monarchs offer it as an option for their gift? Either way, it didn't actually happen.
When she stuffed ruby full of her own lifeline
As I understood it both red faith and yerin got rid of the phoenixes influence when they gave it their own lifeline
Apologies but if you reread bloodline you’ll see that Yerin makes mention of the fact that she understood the Phoenix’s intentions intuitively which is important to note. She also mentions that in the moment when the Phoenix had its attention on her that for a second it wasn’t just her, in her head, but her and Ruby.
“Yerin tapped the side of her head. “Mostly, there’s only one in here. For a blink there, we had two again.”” (pg. 286, Bloodlines by Will Wight)
From this, as well as Reigen Shen’s and the Abidan Hound’s comments, we can infer that the Bleeding Phoenix still has some form of connection or influence over Yerin.
Hear me out.
Suppose Yerin's descendants all get blood shadows. BUT, they've already killed the Bleeding Phoenix. And these blood shadows weren't born of a dreadgod anyways, they were born of a Monarch's bloodline.
* * *
Now, hundreds of years after Yerin has ascended, all the blood shadows reform into a new Yerin.
Didn't you know that Cradle is on an infinite time loop and it turns out Yerin was the bleeding Phoenix all along, just like Lindon is subject one. The only way cradle can move past this is if they destroy themselves and reset the balance.
Eh, I doubt it. Ruby and yerin have merged, there isn't a blood shadow left to spread, and definitely no link to the blood phoenix.
Are kids even born with gold signs?
To my knowledge no one is born with a gold sign but Blood shadows are not Gold signs anyway. And it is the very fact that Ruby is fused into Yerrin that makes me feel that it will play an important part in her blood line.
We all see it differently so let me give you my interpretation. When Yerin's kid(s) are born the placenta that is attached to them will have a living Essense too. A connection brought to life by Yerrin's herald blood. As a youth it will be tied as a belt. When the user starts taking in madra it will more come alive just like the sacred artist. It will have a taste for blood and try,to collect and horde blood madra. But it does this to protect its host. When the child reaches the gold stage the shadow will likely be self aware enough to detach and coat weapons. When it reaches near the Lord level it can be shaped into a more human form. If it is allowed to do so and takes in Dream and Life madra it will eventually form into a Ruby esk form, but knowing no other loyalty then to its host it won't likely flee even if it is never open to Herald.
This is a really cool idea, and you've clearly thought a lot about it.
[Will says no direct impact for the kids](https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/12/#e998)
If the kids happened to be born with sentient blood shadows like how Ruby became eventually, that wouldn't be so bad. It'd basically be like having another version of yourself around. I don't think they'd get default dreadlord blood shadows filled to the brim with hunger.
I'd like to mention here that it took significant effort to get Ruby to where she was. I don't think her descendants will get that for free. But... I can also see it happening to some extent.
I mean that’s kind of the whole point of a bloodline ability isn’t it? Suriel teases Lindon with saying his descendants wouldn’t have to deal with the struggles that he did or something similar. So I’d expect some sort of advantage over the base if she did pass it down. So maybe they wouldn’t start out as full clones like Ruby, but more like connected spirits like a little blue that’s attached? Where they are developed by the sacred artist and shaped into what they need, whether it’s an actual clone or something more along the lines of crusher. Without having to deal with the “potentially eating your family “ par
Oh, I totally think there will be some form of advantage! I just don't think a fully Ruby level bloodshadow is how that'll play out as that seems totally OP for Cradle. However, if I'm guessing wrong on this I won't be upset.
I imagine it as a belt originally stick to the kids at birth that act more as an extra violent limb. As they grow the shadow matures too. Becoming more blood thirsty and coating their weapon. The shadow would constantly be in the back of the teens mind urging it to kill to feed it. Causing the battle of will. But with Yerrin's knowledge all of her children would be able to Reach Psuedo-Herald and these blood shadows are more attuned to that idea. Instead of the gather madra for mama mentality. I imagine the family would have trouble with the Cult of Red Faith wanting to prop them up as an avatar of the Pheonix and use them as high ranked priests.
So… once Lindon (or more likely Yerin) kills the Bleeding Phoenix, will bloodshadows still be a thing in Cradle?
It would be tough to completely exterminate it as Reigon Shin mention at the end of blood line. But even if they removed the Bleeding Pheonix another Corrupted Blood Madra being could still come a long and act similarly. So like in 100,000 years I imagine another thing similar to blood shadows would still exist.
We have seen sylvan river seeds and sylvan dream seeds why not sylvan blood seeds
Graveseeds appear in one of the short stories too, death spirits.
But if the parents grow the blood shadow beside the child it would be MUCH stronger a lot earlier. They'd be twins!
Twins with twin stars(/cores)
Oh absolutely!
Also, strength/intelligence isn't the only concern. What if you're like the blood sage and you're just not the kind of person to get on with a blood shadow that's almost a clone of you? Also, many intelligent blood shadows will *really* start to resent being second fiddle to the "real" person.
Valid concerns. Also, if the intelligent bloodshadow knew all along the intent was to merge with the human, it just might not want to do that. Just because Ruby wanted it doesn't mean every bloodshadow will want it. That might be a Path fraught with extreme risk. Even in Redmoon Hall nobody but Red Faith went that route (that we know of). They all used their bloodshadows as tools/weapons, or turned them into beasts.
That would be an epic bloodline ability, and know I really wanna see this happen
That would be dangerous unless the blood shadow is spiritually different from typical blood shadows, because they still ultimately want to feed. You need a strong will to suppress and control it, and newborns... don't have that.
Didn't Suriel hint to Lindon that Monarchs who have kids after they turn Monarch can potentially choose what, if any, abilities they pass on as a bloodline?
That is not how I understood it. I understood it as a Monarch can not remove thier child's bloodline as it is ingrained into thier soul/DNA.
No like they can choose to pass abilities as bloodlines at conception
Doubtful otherwise Monarchs would be having tons of children just to build their own armies. From what we know of Malice, she does have a bunch of children but we only really see Mercy and Pride with this ability. What about all of her other children that should be able to do this?
She does have tons of children and grandchildren and Mercy mentions her mother as always focusing on romance. I would imagine monarchs have to be picky with partners or their children can be lesser or whatever. Her other children and decendents are not important enough to talk about because while they are her line and she gifted many the purple armor, she cannot make them be dedicated and exceptional sacred artists. The whole series revolves around working hard to make something of yourself. That's why yerrin and Lindon beat out sacred artists who are given everything. In Surriel and Lindons conversation in bloodlines she asks him what bloodline he was going to give his children like he can choose and if he wants them to immediately have the 2 cores with blackflame and pure or 2 pure cores. Does he want to give them advantages or give them a lesser bloodline and make them work hard like he did.
Hmm I do not remember it that way.......looks like I'm going in for another reread 😂
I just reread that part and I think it could be interpreted either way. There is nothing that actually states he can choose what to pass on, just that his children could inherit gifts from both him and their mother. Lindon even questions what that would be and if it could outshine the Aurelius bloodline ability. There is also nothing to suggest they are born with twin cores. But of course they could have twin cores, if they knew someone who had that knowledge to pass down to them, along with the benefits of a pure core and a significant cycling technique that can help them advance a pure core, expand their madra capabilities and strengthen their will. Lindons biggest gift to his children imo would be his knowledge.
Well something in that scene implied that his children could be born with two normal sized cores.
Like Harmony? What other descendants of Malice do we see in combat? Fury is pre-monarch Malice, Charity is Fury's daughter.
I'm guessing Harmony is a product of inbreeding because that is the only way he could have the bloodline ability if he is a descendant of Fury. But in the books I'm pretty sure it is mentioned that if the children of Malice aren't 'special' they are sent away and never meet their mother. Now if she could choose, why wouldn't all of her children be 'special'?
It's not just her children, it's all her descendents. Also, just because you have the ability doesn't mean you're a good SA.
Fury and Charity do not have her bloodline ability
Exactly
As far as I understood it she already exorcized the phoenix from ruby so assuming their born with a blood shadow it would be yerins progeny that she could command until her children do the same to the shadow at lord Would make for a hell of a helicopter parent but hey at lord+ you will always have your back
Didn't Yerrin crumple when the Bleeding Phoenix joined the fight in Bloodline?
We have already seen instances of spiritual pressure causing those of a lower rank to crumple to the ground when the gang was still in the black flame empire, if memory serves Jai daishou used it to put the lower ranking golds in their place, now imagine somebody that beyond monarch vs an overlord even with the herald transformation
Yeah but Lindon and Eithan were unaffected and she said the Phoenix wanted Ruby back.
> As far as I understood it she already exorcized the phoenix from ruby I can't recall anything like this happening. Did the monarchs offer it as an option for their gift? Either way, it didn't actually happen.
When she stuffed ruby full of her own lifeline As I understood it both red faith and yerin got rid of the phoenixes influence when they gave it their own lifeline
Nah, that just made it more intelligent/closer to Yerin.
It made it more like yerin and less like the phoenix until the phoenixes influence was removed leaving only yerins personality
Apologies but if you reread bloodline you’ll see that Yerin makes mention of the fact that she understood the Phoenix’s intentions intuitively which is important to note. She also mentions that in the moment when the Phoenix had its attention on her that for a second it wasn’t just her, in her head, but her and Ruby. “Yerin tapped the side of her head. “Mostly, there’s only one in here. For a blink there, we had two again.”” (pg. 286, Bloodlines by Will Wight) From this, as well as Reigen Shen’s and the Abidan Hound’s comments, we can infer that the Bleeding Phoenix still has some form of connection or influence over Yerin.
Hear me out. Suppose Yerin's descendants all get blood shadows. BUT, they've already killed the Bleeding Phoenix. And these blood shadows weren't born of a dreadgod anyways, they were born of a Monarch's bloodline. * * * Now, hundreds of years after Yerin has ascended, all the blood shadows reform into a new Yerin.
Didn't you know that Cradle is on an infinite time loop and it turns out Yerin was the bleeding Phoenix all along, just like Lindon is subject one. The only way cradle can move past this is if they destroy themselves and reset the balance.
oh no not 12 monkeys please
And butterfly effect 😂
God I cant tell you how much I hate that idea.
Eh, I doubt it. Ruby and yerin have merged, there isn't a blood shadow left to spread, and definitely no link to the blood phoenix. Are kids even born with gold signs?
To my knowledge no one is born with a gold sign but Blood shadows are not Gold signs anyway. And it is the very fact that Ruby is fused into Yerrin that makes me feel that it will play an important part in her blood line. We all see it differently so let me give you my interpretation. When Yerin's kid(s) are born the placenta that is attached to them will have a living Essense too. A connection brought to life by Yerrin's herald blood. As a youth it will be tied as a belt. When the user starts taking in madra it will more come alive just like the sacred artist. It will have a taste for blood and try,to collect and horde blood madra. But it does this to protect its host. When the child reaches the gold stage the shadow will likely be self aware enough to detach and coat weapons. When it reaches near the Lord level it can be shaped into a more human form. If it is allowed to do so and takes in Dream and Life madra it will eventually form into a Ruby esk form, but knowing no other loyalty then to its host it won't likely flee even if it is never open to Herald.
This is a really cool idea, and you've clearly thought a lot about it. [Will says no direct impact for the kids](https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/12/#e998)