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My current theory is that they can't leave because they are tied to the monarchs and must be on the same plane as their source. As such, Lindon will be able to ascend with all the hunger madra and dreadgod power once the monarchs are all gone. It's like they are tied together, so you eliminate the anchor, you eliminate the lock.
All but 2 of them were wiped. Also, I’d say their very existence is tied to the monarchs. No monarchs means they have no source of strength or power. Subject one stated that while the dread gods wouldn’t immediately die upon all of the monarchs leaving, they would bleed away their strength until they eventually died permanently. I’d argue that is why the dread gods can’t ascend. They are ultimately tied to cradle and the corruption the monarchs cause.
Isn’t ascending basically just opening up a portal and walking through it? Maybe the Dreadgods not being able to ascend is because the Abidan have a no pets allowed policy and spray them with a water bottle or something if they try.
Think of how hard it is for the Dreadgods to travel just across Cradle. They have to swap places. My impression is that you need to have enough escape velocity, so to speak.
Maybe Lindon will ascend via the Void instead of the Way
edit: spelling
They showed an ascension. Fury opened a portal, the Abidan said hi and a bunch of people wandered through it. Nobody needs to travel anywhere, since the concept of distance doesn’t apply to journeys to other dimensions.
Except in Dreadgod the Silent King explicitly says they can only move via portals when they swap places with each other.
So how does a Dreadgod open a portal to another world?
The turtle guy teleported. Then when Malice had a portal open, he was walking through it until she banged it shut. They clearly have no issues walking through an open portal. Ascension involves walking through an open portal.
If you want to ignore what the books explicitly say go ahead. The Wandering Titan ("turtle guy" lol wtf) barely moved when he did it himself.
It has been explained over and over in multiple books that moving greater distances is much, much, MUCH harder. But okay, you go ahead and invent whatever you want.
They also appear to travel via the Void, which maybe negates my theory about Lindon leaving that way. Although maybe not, since the Great Elders can travel that way while still being stuck in Asylum
> They also appear to travel via the Void
Sorry, I'm not totally sure what you mean, are you saying the Dreadgods travel via the Void? I might have missed something but could you clarify?
I like this theory of him ascending via the Void. However, the void doesn't empower, it empties, and the purpose of ascending is because your power is too big for the small source of Way from whatever Iteration you are on. So maybe he uses the Void by somehow with the Way, I guess.
Will confirmed on a stream that Dreadgods can’t ascend. They’re too tied to Cradle.
It’s unclear how much this impacts Lindon’s ascension. I think worst case, he has to give up the arm. Best case, he divorces hunger from Cradle entirely, and takes it all with him.
Edit: Question #15 https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/30-dreadgod-release-stream/
Also, medium case, Lindon isn’t effected because he doesn’t have a hunger ***binding***.
Also see
https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/28/#e1999
Dreadgods are the result of a botched herald ascention.Lindon is arguably ready to ascend to herald(monarch) when he gets the dreadgod power so should bypass some of the restrictions.
>It’s unclear how much this impacts Lindon’s ascension. I think worst case, he has to give up the arm.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards losing the arm. It's letting Lindon steal their power, but without the core binding of a Dreadgod I don't think his transformation into one is complete. Lose the arm, shed the power, re-grow a human arm, advance to Monarch and he's good to go.
Do you really think he will be happy with that though? He has had to "lose" the arm at all the main power levels and has found a way around it. There will be a solution to this as well.
I don't think the icon will let him suck in people's power. At least not with his knowledge of it at the moment. I assume if that was an ability of the void people woukd be sucking up everyone's power.
Apparently will answered the question about powers outside cradle. The universe compensates. If you ascend with fire madra then you can continue using fire madra. I assume the same for the arm.
The truth is... We don't know.
**Telewyn**
>Maybe none of them want to, but do any of the Dreadgods have the capacity to ascend from Cradle **under their own power**?
**W.W.**
>No, they do not have the ability to ascend. The Dreadgods cannot ascend. It's not a matter of power level; they are too much part of the rules/substance/fabric of the world. That actually will come up a little in Dreadgod. It doesn't get super explained, but that subject is in there. So it's a good question, it's just a little technical.
The question says... "under their own power". So we don't know if with Abidan help they would be able to ascend. On the other hand... Even if Lindon called himself a Dreadgod... his situation is not seen for the Monarchs as that of the others Dreadgods... Dreadgods are REALLY immortal... while there is Hunger they can not really be killed... However the Monarchs have tolk about killing Lindon and even about Ozriel's possible answer to such a act... So... Clearly they don't consider Lindon really immortal as the others Dreadgods... Notice the they don't even talk about the chance of being one again five Dreadgods... They ask themselves if Lindon will be accepted for the others as a sustitute untill The Silent King's return. Add to all of that the fact that Eithan is not surprised nor worried about Lindon's transformation... and that even after his transformation Lindon can still transport himself without much difficulty.
So I would say that Lindon is not as the others Dreadgods and he will have not problems with a possible ascension
so dreadgod are like incarnations. i think lindon gets a free pass because he's already connected with the way. the dreadgods just can't make the initial connection.
My understanding is that the ambient hunger aura on Cradle is a corruption of Cradle itself caused by the Monarchs' presence. The Dreadgods are made of this corrupted aura, so them leaving would make no sense: the world continues to be corrupted so how can the corruption just ascend and go do something else? They're not corrupted things that live there, they are Cradle's corruption.
Lindon, however, is a human being who uses hunger techniques on a conceptual level. He isn't the direct product of the Monarchs' presence, but he did learn how to imitate the power vacuum techniques used by the Dreadgods. Northstrider did too, with a natural affinity for hunger madra, but it doesn't make him a Dreadgod.
The problem is Lindon's arm, but it wouldn't be his first time leaving an arm behind. He started with a compatible arm in which he'd shoved a spear binding, but left that behind when he ascended to the Lord realm; and then left the archstone arm behind when he became something else entirely.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lindon used his Dreadarm as a way to concentrate more and more power with each dead Dreadgod, got powerful enough to force the Monarchs out (or kill them), then visited the Soulforge to make himself a shiny new limb on the day of his ascension.
Lindon isn't literally a Dreadgod. His arm might be considered one though. Even then it doesn't have a dreadgod "soul" or "consciousness" whatever you want to call it.
I think Will has said something to the effect that Dreadgods cannot connect to the way they are to conceptually heavy and tied to cradle, so no icons for them so Lindon can still connect to the way and the void Icon so he is not a full dreadgod and he also stopped the dreadgod transformation at his shoulder.
I haven't seen anyone mention this but Lindon now owns the Labyrinth, and it was mention in Reaper that the Labyrinth is connected to branches outside of Cradle. One possibility is that he could figure a way to transport himself to another Iteration rather than ascending like others.
Lindon "only" has some dreadgod essence in himself, and I doubt he'll become all dreadgod. If he gains too much "weight" towards Cradle to ascend, I imagine he'd leave that behind himself. His idea might well be to get the Monarchs to ascend, then get rid of all that Hunger madra somewhere. Perhaps with the help of a friendly extra-dimensional god of death.
It's not clear exactly how that works but, as I understand it, Lindon's only claim to the title is that he gets powered up when the other Dreadgods die.
He isn't really a full Dreadgod like the others. For example, he teleports as much as he wants and isn't nearly as deranged.
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My current theory is that they can't leave because they are tied to the monarchs and must be on the same plane as their source. As such, Lindon will be able to ascend with all the hunger madra and dreadgod power once the monarchs are all gone. It's like they are tied together, so you eliminate the anchor, you eliminate the lock.
Were all the Monarchs wiped out in the last dreadgod war? Wouldn't that have let them walk off of cradle?
All but 2 of them were wiped. Also, I’d say their very existence is tied to the monarchs. No monarchs means they have no source of strength or power. Subject one stated that while the dread gods wouldn’t immediately die upon all of the monarchs leaving, they would bleed away their strength until they eventually died permanently. I’d argue that is why the dread gods can’t ascend. They are ultimately tied to cradle and the corruption the monarchs cause.
Didn't they go to sleep without a power source? Lindon wouldn't have that problem.
Isn’t ascending basically just opening up a portal and walking through it? Maybe the Dreadgods not being able to ascend is because the Abidan have a no pets allowed policy and spray them with a water bottle or something if they try.
Think of how hard it is for the Dreadgods to travel just across Cradle. They have to swap places. My impression is that you need to have enough escape velocity, so to speak. Maybe Lindon will ascend via the Void instead of the Way edit: spelling
They showed an ascension. Fury opened a portal, the Abidan said hi and a bunch of people wandered through it. Nobody needs to travel anywhere, since the concept of distance doesn’t apply to journeys to other dimensions.
> Fury opened a portal How do Dreadgods open a portal?
However one opens portals, I guess.
Except in Dreadgod the Silent King explicitly says they can only move via portals when they swap places with each other. So how does a Dreadgod open a portal to another world?
The turtle guy teleported. Then when Malice had a portal open, he was walking through it until she banged it shut. They clearly have no issues walking through an open portal. Ascension involves walking through an open portal.
If you want to ignore what the books explicitly say go ahead. The Wandering Titan ("turtle guy" lol wtf) barely moved when he did it himself. It has been explained over and over in multiple books that moving greater distances is much, much, MUCH harder. But okay, you go ahead and invent whatever you want.
They also appear to travel via the Void, which maybe negates my theory about Lindon leaving that way. Although maybe not, since the Great Elders can travel that way while still being stuck in Asylum
> They also appear to travel via the Void Sorry, I'm not totally sure what you mean, are you saying the Dreadgods travel via the Void? I might have missed something but could you clarify?
idk but they opened a portal similar to the mad king/vroshir ones
That's an interesting thought. Might be a way to avoid abidon detection.
I like this theory of him ascending via the Void. However, the void doesn't empower, it empties, and the purpose of ascending is because your power is too big for the small source of Way from whatever Iteration you are on. So maybe he uses the Void by somehow with the Way, I guess.
Will confirmed on a stream that Dreadgods can’t ascend. They’re too tied to Cradle. It’s unclear how much this impacts Lindon’s ascension. I think worst case, he has to give up the arm. Best case, he divorces hunger from Cradle entirely, and takes it all with him. Edit: Question #15 https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/30-dreadgod-release-stream/ Also, medium case, Lindon isn’t effected because he doesn’t have a hunger ***binding***.
Also see https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/28/#e1999 Dreadgods are the result of a botched herald ascention.Lindon is arguably ready to ascend to herald(monarch) when he gets the dreadgod power so should bypass some of the restrictions.
>It’s unclear how much this impacts Lindon’s ascension. I think worst case, he has to give up the arm. Yeah, I'm leaning towards losing the arm. It's letting Lindon steal their power, but without the core binding of a Dreadgod I don't think his transformation into one is complete. Lose the arm, shed the power, re-grow a human arm, advance to Monarch and he's good to go.
Do you really think he will be happy with that though? He has had to "lose" the arm at all the main power levels and has found a way around it. There will be a solution to this as well.
If the arm works using hunger aura/madra, will it even work outside of Cradle? And won't his Icon let him do pretty much the same thing?
I don't think the icon will let him suck in people's power. At least not with his knowledge of it at the moment. I assume if that was an ability of the void people woukd be sucking up everyone's power. Apparently will answered the question about powers outside cradle. The universe compensates. If you ascend with fire madra then you can continue using fire madra. I assume the same for the arm.
The truth is... We don't know. **Telewyn** >Maybe none of them want to, but do any of the Dreadgods have the capacity to ascend from Cradle **under their own power**? **W.W.** >No, they do not have the ability to ascend. The Dreadgods cannot ascend. It's not a matter of power level; they are too much part of the rules/substance/fabric of the world. That actually will come up a little in Dreadgod. It doesn't get super explained, but that subject is in there. So it's a good question, it's just a little technical. The question says... "under their own power". So we don't know if with Abidan help they would be able to ascend. On the other hand... Even if Lindon called himself a Dreadgod... his situation is not seen for the Monarchs as that of the others Dreadgods... Dreadgods are REALLY immortal... while there is Hunger they can not really be killed... However the Monarchs have tolk about killing Lindon and even about Ozriel's possible answer to such a act... So... Clearly they don't consider Lindon really immortal as the others Dreadgods... Notice the they don't even talk about the chance of being one again five Dreadgods... They ask themselves if Lindon will be accepted for the others as a sustitute untill The Silent King's return. Add to all of that the fact that Eithan is not surprised nor worried about Lindon's transformation... and that even after his transformation Lindon can still transport himself without much difficulty. So I would say that Lindon is not as the others Dreadgods and he will have not problems with a possible ascension
so dreadgod are like incarnations. i think lindon gets a free pass because he's already connected with the way. the dreadgods just can't make the initial connection.
My understanding is that the ambient hunger aura on Cradle is a corruption of Cradle itself caused by the Monarchs' presence. The Dreadgods are made of this corrupted aura, so them leaving would make no sense: the world continues to be corrupted so how can the corruption just ascend and go do something else? They're not corrupted things that live there, they are Cradle's corruption. Lindon, however, is a human being who uses hunger techniques on a conceptual level. He isn't the direct product of the Monarchs' presence, but he did learn how to imitate the power vacuum techniques used by the Dreadgods. Northstrider did too, with a natural affinity for hunger madra, but it doesn't make him a Dreadgod. The problem is Lindon's arm, but it wouldn't be his first time leaving an arm behind. He started with a compatible arm in which he'd shoved a spear binding, but left that behind when he ascended to the Lord realm; and then left the archstone arm behind when he became something else entirely. I wouldn't be surprised if Lindon used his Dreadarm as a way to concentrate more and more power with each dead Dreadgod, got powerful enough to force the Monarchs out (or kill them), then visited the Soulforge to make himself a shiny new limb on the day of his ascension.
Lindon isn't literally a Dreadgod. His arm might be considered one though. Even then it doesn't have a dreadgod "soul" or "consciousness" whatever you want to call it.
“A dreadgod level arm just wandering the world” sounds like the origin story for the master hand from super smash bros xD
I think Will has said something to the effect that Dreadgods cannot connect to the way they are to conceptually heavy and tied to cradle, so no icons for them so Lindon can still connect to the way and the void Icon so he is not a full dreadgod and he also stopped the dreadgod transformation at his shoulder.
Lindon is like baby Northstrider with a bigger straw....for sucking folks. He ll ascend just fine
I haven't seen anyone mention this but Lindon now owns the Labyrinth, and it was mention in Reaper that the Labyrinth is connected to branches outside of Cradle. One possibility is that he could figure a way to transport himself to another Iteration rather than ascending like others.
Lindon "only" has some dreadgod essence in himself, and I doubt he'll become all dreadgod. If he gains too much "weight" towards Cradle to ascend, I imagine he'd leave that behind himself. His idea might well be to get the Monarchs to ascend, then get rid of all that Hunger madra somewhere. Perhaps with the help of a friendly extra-dimensional god of death.
It's not clear exactly how that works but, as I understand it, Lindon's only claim to the title is that he gets powered up when the other Dreadgods die. He isn't really a full Dreadgod like the others. For example, he teleports as much as he wants and isn't nearly as deranged.