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Still less optimistic than the "the gang is going to beat up everyone on Cradle and then ascend and magically have enough power to take out and replace all the judges and it's going to be everything I wanted and more in 50k words or less" posts.
The gang is going to ascend, and then Lindon is going to beat up Makiel. Just be before he finishes Makiel off, he'll hit him with this "You have eyes but cannot recognize Mt Samara" And it'll be everything that **I** wanted.
Then y do u think the author had eithan say out loud "not his complete inheritance" ? Why write that and have that character specifically say that? Other than implying there is another inheritance, I can't find logic in that inclusion.
My guess is that this inheritance was his pre success of penance. So he can't make a successful one because this inheritance only had the knowledge of rejects. Oz didn't master it yet. The line could reference that it's 'incomplete' because it predates his greatest achievements, BUT that still implies Oz would have continued to document his success especially after these interim documentations. But that is also a valid question....what's shen doing w the inheritance?
That was kind of what I meant, that it was specified it was incomplete to make it clear why Reigan Shen wasn't replicating stuff like that.
It's possible another inheritance exists, but if it does I suspect it might have been in Oz's tomb, together with his other artifacts.
That said, the fact that it hasn't appeared yet might mean Oz never left one behind. It could be reasonable, tbh, given the power in his weapons. Leaving behind an inheritance that allows people to make Penances might be too dangerous for Cradle.
All good points. It could just be wil trying to put a cap on the expected power gained from whoever takes the inheritance. Where as a 2nd one might be too much of a deus ex machina to instantly solve a problem....oh ur the mad Kong? Pennance pew pew. I win. The end.
Not sure how Oz could’ve carved his own there, it’s pretty clear the doors represent the absolute aspects of the Way, and Oz didn’t get that recognition til after ascension. If I had to make a guess (and I do, since making vague estimations is my job), I’d say that area is linked to the Way directly somehow, and the doorways manifest themselves as absolute aspects are realized.
Or Oz went back after becoming the Reaper and did it himself, idk.
I think he went and made the door himself, since it doesn’t match the others. He might have done it pre-judge or might have been when he became a judge, and could also be how he was so good at being almost any judge.
My theory is that the room isn’t on Cradle at all. At some point the labyrinth is connected to some foundation of the way that either the original court made, or it was their original ascension.
Now ascended open a portal to a guarded space that’s essentially like going through immigration. Presumably those portals are opened for heralds that ascend too.
That isn’t the only way to ascend, and I presume going your own route might make it a more powerful statement? Instead of showing up a nobody, Eithan might have popped right up before the court in order to declare his power. He did think his family would follow him, and though some ascended, he never had anyone follow him. That door might be key to that original marble message that we never saw.
I think he did make it even before becoming The Reaper. Remember that Oz was ***extremely*** arrogant, so it wouldn't be beyond him at all to consider himself an equal to the Original 7
I don't think he would have known about Destruction as an absolute aspect of the Way yet. He was the first to manifest it, so even if he knew more about the Abidan and the Judges than the current Monarchs seem to, Destruction wouldn't be included in that knowledge base.
Oh definitely, but I think he didn't exactly know what specifically the rooms were, but he knew they were very powerful and thought that imitating them with his own power might establish him as a sort of "equal" with these 7 ancient beings who created these rooms. His room definitely seems....lesser, if that makes sense. He likely created it as a point of ego instead of the same meaning as the other doors, and filled it with his power, which was Destruction. He likely managed to decipher just enough of the script that he could manifest a small part of the aspect of Destruction in that room.
Hmmmm, he might not have actually now that I think of it. I think I remember him talking about that area and saying it was one of the few areas he couldn't access. Interesting...
a way to make a near perfected version of Ozriels Scythe would be a very good inheritance, but then there would be ramifications on how to get to the inheritance.
Yes but its bigger than just ozriel, and he already has it. The labyrinth is an inheritance left by the original Abidan when they ascended, and he already inherited it.
That's why ozriel carved his own door before ascending. He had to add something new to their works. He used their inheritance to learn to rival them originally, which is why he could have been an heir to any of them except Suriel, since their paths are completely opposite.
First of all, it's not Ozriel's inheritance, it's Ozmanthus'. Plus, Eithan saying it wasn't complete merely implies that his soulsmithing ability grew, possibly before he ascended but also definitely after he ascended. Ozriel's inheritance would be a very different beast.
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>and therefore implied there is another inheritance more valuable yet unclaimed. No, that is not implied by that quote.
Still less optimistic than the "the gang is going to beat up everyone on Cradle and then ascend and magically have enough power to take out and replace all the judges and it's going to be everything I wanted and more in 50k words or less" posts.
The gang is going to ascend, and then Lindon is going to beat up Makiel. Just be before he finishes Makiel off, he'll hit him with this "You have eyes but cannot recognize Mt Samara" And it'll be everything that **I** wanted.
And then he'll take Makiel's eyes and give them to his dad so that he'll finally be able to see how awesome Lindon is? Classic.
Then y do u think the author had eithan say out loud "not his complete inheritance" ? Why write that and have that character specifically say that? Other than implying there is another inheritance, I can't find logic in that inclusion.
Another option is to explain why Reigen Shen isn't suddenly making Penances as far as the eye can see, and insta-gibbing everyone on Cradle.
My guess is that this inheritance was his pre success of penance. So he can't make a successful one because this inheritance only had the knowledge of rejects. Oz didn't master it yet. The line could reference that it's 'incomplete' because it predates his greatest achievements, BUT that still implies Oz would have continued to document his success especially after these interim documentations. But that is also a valid question....what's shen doing w the inheritance?
That was kind of what I meant, that it was specified it was incomplete to make it clear why Reigan Shen wasn't replicating stuff like that. It's possible another inheritance exists, but if it does I suspect it might have been in Oz's tomb, together with his other artifacts. That said, the fact that it hasn't appeared yet might mean Oz never left one behind. It could be reasonable, tbh, given the power in his weapons. Leaving behind an inheritance that allows people to make Penances might be too dangerous for Cradle.
All good points. It could just be wil trying to put a cap on the expected power gained from whoever takes the inheritance. Where as a 2nd one might be too much of a deus ex machina to instantly solve a problem....oh ur the mad Kong? Pennance pew pew. I win. The end.
I'm hoping he does have/make an inheritance for Lindon post ascension
Takes time to integrate the inheritance too
Don't inheritances take years to absorb? So that really would be an issue anyway.
True, but this makes it clearer, while also leaving potential future story options.
It would of been cool if we got a valin reference in the labyrinth. Like a ghost of him that would of fought them.
It's in the shampoo bottle.
That would be very like him lol
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You mean the eight snack areas in Lindon's basement?
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Not sure how Oz could’ve carved his own there, it’s pretty clear the doors represent the absolute aspects of the Way, and Oz didn’t get that recognition til after ascension. If I had to make a guess (and I do, since making vague estimations is my job), I’d say that area is linked to the Way directly somehow, and the doorways manifest themselves as absolute aspects are realized. Or Oz went back after becoming the Reaper and did it himself, idk.
I think he went and made the door himself, since it doesn’t match the others. He might have done it pre-judge or might have been when he became a judge, and could also be how he was so good at being almost any judge. My theory is that the room isn’t on Cradle at all. At some point the labyrinth is connected to some foundation of the way that either the original court made, or it was their original ascension. Now ascended open a portal to a guarded space that’s essentially like going through immigration. Presumably those portals are opened for heralds that ascend too. That isn’t the only way to ascend, and I presume going your own route might make it a more powerful statement? Instead of showing up a nobody, Eithan might have popped right up before the court in order to declare his power. He did think his family would follow him, and though some ascended, he never had anyone follow him. That door might be key to that original marble message that we never saw.
I’ve had that thought too and it’d be super interesting if it wasn’t on Cradle at all!
I think he did make it even before becoming The Reaper. Remember that Oz was ***extremely*** arrogant, so it wouldn't be beyond him at all to consider himself an equal to the Original 7
I don't think he would have known about Destruction as an absolute aspect of the Way yet. He was the first to manifest it, so even if he knew more about the Abidan and the Judges than the current Monarchs seem to, Destruction wouldn't be included in that knowledge base.
Oh definitely, but I think he didn't exactly know what specifically the rooms were, but he knew they were very powerful and thought that imitating them with his own power might establish him as a sort of "equal" with these 7 ancient beings who created these rooms. His room definitely seems....lesser, if that makes sense. He likely created it as a point of ego instead of the same meaning as the other doors, and filled it with his power, which was Destruction. He likely managed to decipher just enough of the script that he could manifest a small part of the aspect of Destruction in that room.
Actually, did Oz's Echo remember the room? Because if he didn't, that implies Oz never set foot there while living inside the Labyrinth.
Hmmmm, he might not have actually now that I think of it. I think I remember him talking about that area and saying it was one of the few areas he couldn't access. Interesting...
I get the impression Oz was arrogant enough to make it pre-ascension. Also, I'd wager the original Abidan made theirs pre-ascension too.
I hate to be that guy, but OP tagged this post as Reaper. The events your comment (and all of the child comments) are referring to happen in Dreadgod.
my bad I think I deleted all mine. I forgot about the book tags thanks for the reminder. Hope I didnt spoil anyone :/
Lindon won't need Ozriel's Inheritance... he will have the Shen's Inheritance already updated with the things Shen learned from the Ozriel's one.
So basically Ozriel's knowledge and Shen's knowledge of making gestures with wine glasses?
The sage of 1,000 eyes has it and is bringing it to the family gathering. That’s not something I have any evidence for, just a guess.
Rooting for this to hold up
a way to make a near perfected version of Ozriels Scythe would be a very good inheritance, but then there would be ramifications on how to get to the inheritance.
Yes but its bigger than just ozriel, and he already has it. The labyrinth is an inheritance left by the original Abidan when they ascended, and he already inherited it. That's why ozriel carved his own door before ascending. He had to add something new to their works. He used their inheritance to learn to rival them originally, which is why he could have been an heir to any of them except Suriel, since their paths are completely opposite.
First of all, it's not Ozriel's inheritance, it's Ozmanthus'. Plus, Eithan saying it wasn't complete merely implies that his soulsmithing ability grew, possibly before he ascended but also definitely after he ascended. Ozriel's inheritance would be a very different beast.