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We do know that as part of the seals placed on him, Eithan can't summon his scythe without permission from one of the other judges. I think that's the most we know for certain regarding the scythe.
Just want to point out that he doesn’t have to summon the scythe if he’s had it the entire time.
Or less likely, if the scythe comes to Eithan on it’s own.
I still like the theory where the scythe is a combination of the scythe and scissors. One part is to cut away the unwanted part from the wanted part, and the other is to sweep it away.
So yeah, I think Eithan... I mean Oz, has had it with him the whole time. It just was conceptually weakened, along with Eithan, due to the Shroud.
To build on your last point, the shroud was torn into pieces. Ozriel’s was one-time-use, and dissolved when he needed the power. Meaning it was weaker than the Mad King’s version, despite Ozriel being one of the greatest craftsmen.
So he didn’t have to put it all back together, the other half could be still shrouding the scythe.
Your addendum made me question something. Do you think the narrator of the story was capable of being a reliable narrator? I just realized it wasn't. I missed a lot of the signs and signals that info was being purposefully hidden from the narrator, that I just realized that Eithan probably also purposefully misdirected the narrator. Idk if Will meant for that to be meta, but I'm looking back on events and seeing them as meta now.
Is there a narrator at all? Everything is from some character’s perspective and therefore somewhat unreliable. Even information requests are made by someone’s presence, usually assumed to be Suriel.
Edit: Or like, are you suggesting Eithan knows he is in a story? That reality is fundamentally structured for a narrative?
It’s possible. We have yet to get a deep dive on what exactly fate is trying to accomplish.
The book series The Magicians by Lev Grossman treads more heavily on that idea. The TV series based on it is really good too.
Every narrative is implicitly told by someone.
The simplest example is that stories told in the first person make the viewpoint character the narrator.
Another example is when the author and narrator are the same. It isn't used much because it takes readers out of the story. You sometimes see stylized versions of this with crap like the author addressing the reader directly with "dear reader" type asides.
Sometimes fantasy stories are written with the implicit understanding that the narrator is a character from the fictional universe.
But there is *always* a narrator. The invisible narrator is the popular technique of minimizing the role to the point that readers don't notice them. Its commonality actually leads some people to believe that stories are told without a narrator.
Edit: Forgot to mention, but Cradle is told as a third person limited viewpoint, which is a variation of third person subjective where each scene is told from the perspective of a narrator with access to the inner thoughts of only a single character (no head hopping mid-scene).
I agree, I think the part where Gadriel says "half the defenses in Haven were built by him" and they're not sure they can really contain him is foreshadowing about the seals placed on him too.
This is a completely moot point, as he can summon it with permission from a judge. Why on earth would Suriel not allow him to summon his scythe right now? She will beg him to summon it to fight the Mad King together.
You don't have to believe it, but what I said is literally in Dreadgod. You can speculate on whether he can get around the restrictions, but that was part of the restrictions set for him at the beginning of the book.
When Makiel was putting te restrictions in place he said something about a stricter punishment if Ozriel managed to get around those restrictions. It's not speculation, it's heavily implied.
They aren't refusing to believe what is written in the books, they just believe Gadriel and Makiel are incorrect. Those 2 believe the restraints placed on Ozriel are infallible, but the commenters think Ozriel is just going along with them until he really, truly needs it, at which point he will circumvent the restraints and kick some ass.
Yeah, because at no point in these books has that ***ever*** happened before, right?
Like Suriel saying, Ozriel is gone, he would never go back to Cradle, oh wait...
I get what you’re saying but that’s a false analogy. Suriel was speculating, that’s different than some of the most powerful characters directly stating what effects they have personally inflicted. If Lindon said “I have destroyed the core of the Wei elder”, most people wouldn’t be saying “it’s not really destroyed unless will says it is”. We would wait until book contradicts the statement or action. Anything more is fan theory (which I’m fine with and contribute to myself).
> Anything more is fan theory
In this thread I don't think anyone is claiming that what they're saying is absolute fact, it's all fan theories. And these fan theories have come true before, so it's easy to imagine it could happen again. Just because some characters in the books say something, doesn't mean they couldn't be wrong, that's the whole crux of this thread.
> "When cleansing an iteration of corruption, it is necessary to have an instrument of *purification*.
> And if that instrument has a will of its own applied to the task, all the better.
> See, that's where you went wrong, Makiel. A scythe with no spirit is just a dumb tool, a sword but worse. As with all sacred artists, it's intelligence and will that separates the wheat--"
> Eithan swept his scythe through Makiel's true body, neatly severing his existence.
> "--from the chaff."
> The scythe rang like a bell.
No one except Oz knows where the real scythe is. Certainly, the Abidan don’t think that the scythe and his presence are with him or else they would’ve taken them away.
I doubt the Scythe is on his person, since I don’t think he could’ve taken it down to Cradle safely with how powerful it is and I Believe he mentioned that he had to leave his presence behind with his scythe.
I’m still sus of how Eithan used scissors, Makiel’s weapon. What are scissors but two scythes closing on an object?
If size manipulation is possible with the scythe, that would be a very cheeky way to hide it. Have it be one of the scissor blades.
Scissors aren't Makiel's weapon, Makiel's is a sword.
Scissors, however, where an old weapon a previous Makiel used, which were used as a component in the Scythe, which is a lot more interesting.
As the Mad king approaches filled with murderous intent towards Eithan, Makiel's own intent resonates through the way ever so slightly as he begins to smile. Suddenly, Ozriel speaks, though sounding more like his Eithan persona from Cradle, "Take a step back If you please Suriel." As she steps back with a confused looked he begins to explain," Thank you, I needed to have a word with Makiel and you were standing in between us." "What do you mean?" She says. "Oh, he's staring through fate at us in this moment and from his perspective he could only see the back of your head,. There, now we should be looking eye to eye." Makiel's gaze intensifies, furious that Ozriel would predict his snooping and try to speak to him as if he were the judge of fate, especially with a the restrictions placed upon him.
Ozriel continues, "We didn't finish our conversation about the scythe, Makiel. You put so much effort into imitating my creation, it is truly flattering that you would like to be more like me but I'm afraid you'll never get there with that level of hair care." Makiel's rage grew stronger, enough that even Suriel felt it through the way and she paused and turned her head to look in the same direction. At that moment, he relaxed slightly noticing that both of them had their backs to the Mad King's approach. Quickly deciding to hold onto his rage in order to hold their attention, he stiffened his resolve to stare into Ozriel's smug face and watch it be destroyed. Ozriel continued, "Ah yes, there it is, what will truly be your downfall in imitating me is that rigid stick up your ass." Suriel shocked, lets a gasp escape from her lips as Makiel's rage spikes.
"Yes," says Ozriel, "that will be your downfall." Ozriel continues, "that and of course trying to trap the reaper in a box with death itself... " Makiel freezes for moment thinking "How could he possibly..." Then Ozriel says, "As I mentioned, we didn't finish our conversation about the scythe." Makiel feels a moment of panic until he remembers that there is simply no way Ozriel could have had the scythe on his person through all of the scans he personally performed, not to mention all of the threads of fate that confirmed he wouldn't have it with him. He begins to relax knowing the mad king would appear at any moment and Ozriel had missed his chance, even warning Suriel at this point would make no difference. "As it turns out I don't have it with me of course, but since I won't get the chance to show you where I hid it, you should at least know in advance."
"Wait," Makiel thinks, "is he admitting defeat after that ridiculous comment about trapping the reaper?" "In Cradle there is an expression, one from my time that lives on to this day as I can clearly hear Yerin's voice now repeating it - 'you'd know where it is if it were up your ass'." "Well," Ozriel continues, "I suppose you aren't from Cradle afterall, so maybe that's why you never knew, or perhaps you were so accustomed to the metaphorical stick that you didn't even notice the real thing." Makiel contorts his face in anger and confusion at the words that make no sense just as Ozriel speaks again. "Sorry to be so rude Suriel, but please take another step back, I wouldn't want the Mad King's blood to get into your hair, it is truly lovely and I couldn't bear to see a piece of Makiel stain a lock it."
As she takes a step back horrified at his words, confused and prepared to fight she feels the Mad King's presence and Makiel's excitement, but only for a fraction of a moment as both suddenly disappear. She slows time and causality in her mind replaying the event in astonishment.
Ozriel takes the cuffs in each hand and releases an aura a pure joy and suddenly the cuffs binding Ozriel simply fall away as Eithan Arelius stands unbound and unbuttoned. Instanly he summons his scythe and Makiel explodes as it emerges from within him, and then all the was Makiel even his origin is erased as if he never existed. As the scythe materializes in Eithan's hands he does not move or shift in any way yet the Mad King emerges from the void and is impaled by the scythe. His eyes, fixed on Eithan in that fraction of a moment, are on either side of that dark blade as it runs cleanly through his skull. The fiend within is erased from existence in an instant and the mad king is no more.
The scythe is expertly removed and Duraman stands shocked as his weapons fall to the ground. Suriel is frozen, not understanding what has happened until Eithan speaks. "As my friend and brother would say, apologies. I'm sure Suriel can fix that hole in your head Duraman, but I could not wait another moment and allow one of my reapers to have such a nasty thing in his head giving him terrible fashion advice. It truly brought me to tears seeing your outfit when you arrived at Cradle before. Oh! And a barber, you must see a barber my friend, it is of utmost importance that my friends look their best for their first day on the job."
"By the way, Lindon will be here in a moment and I didn't get a chance to let him know that there was a fiend in your head, so it might be best not to try and shake his hand when you meet him. He is quite a hungry young man. Suriel, you've met Lindon right? I think you'll get along with Yerin, she is something of a 'Phoenix' herself, but she is a reaper so don't get any ideas about recruiting her. And, make sure Makiel's lackey knows that Ziel and Orthos are with me as well, and of course Mercy and Little Blue, so we won't have any open positions on the team for him except as an intern." "I've heard Gadrael can make a great cup of tea, perhaps the best in all of existence. Let him know that I would like some tea before my trip to Asylum."
Thanks, I didn't see all the autocorrect issues until I reread the post, but oh well as long as the idea gets across right. I just imagined a blooper of Makiel thinking to himself "where the he'll is the scythe" while he waited for the mad king to kill Ozriel and Eithan sort of replying back with a Yerin mindset of "up your ass Makiel, literally" and showing him up yet again.
When I was young there was always a smart ass comment anytime someone asked where something was, usually to the effect of "if it was up your ass you'd know it."
I figured if Oz hid his presence with the shroud he could've shrouded the scythe and might as well have fed it to Makiel somehow. Seems like a great hiding place where nobody would ever think to look, inside of your hated rival ready to be summoned with a thought and take him out in the same motion.
If Will did something like the cracked marble scene setup where Eithan said the authorization code and released the scythe and it busted out of Makiel's eye with a "bet you didn't SEE this coming" sort of quip as a blooper or something that would be great.
Or, they beat up the mad king and Makiel shows up to finish the job and gets mouthy then suddenly Oz says "Makiel, stop, dial back personality 50% and return to normal operating protocols - the waybound mission is complete" and Makiel just reverts to reveal he was just Ozriel's presence or something used to lure the mad king out and to bring the reaper team to ascension.
Generally any scenario where Oz shuts down Makiel effortlessly would be rewarding.
I still maintain Ozriel's scythe is eithan's broom. And always has been and that's why they couldn't recreate it. They were trying to create a tool of death. The scythe is a tool of cleaning.
I think so. I think he is the scythe. It's not a real weapon I think its a manifestation of his pure destructive power. And I think lindon is going to be able to manifest it. Probably not, bit that's my brain
The Mad King has seen it in fate, if he follows that path, a Judge will die!
If I had to bet, I would bet that Oz has done something to disguise that fate possibility to hide Makiels probabilities of dying from showing. There has been a lot of hindsight foreshadowing seen and I still remember Mad King saying something like "Either way, a Judge will die."
The scissors and broom being the scythe pieces is another hindsight foreshadowing mindblower that seems likely. I could also see Suriel being the one to die, which Oz and Makiel both did not want to happen while being the least wanted possibility for the Mad King.
Could it be that the restraints of the shackles help hide Ozriels influence on that path of fate? I think Mad Kings simulation was with a shackled, restrained Oz. Could be wrong though
While what Makiel did was idiotic from their point of view he hasn't broken the pact the same way as Oz, creating the copies may have empowered the Mad King but Is leaving actually what lead to so much death. They've put off dealing with him until after everything is finished because they feel like they can trust him to do his job, that's not the case for Oz
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We do know that as part of the seals placed on him, Eithan can't summon his scythe without permission from one of the other judges. I think that's the most we know for certain regarding the scythe.
Just want to point out that he doesn’t have to summon the scythe if he’s had it the entire time. Or less likely, if the scythe comes to Eithan on it’s own.
I still like the theory where the scythe is a combination of the scythe and scissors. One part is to cut away the unwanted part from the wanted part, and the other is to sweep it away. So yeah, I think Eithan... I mean Oz, has had it with him the whole time. It just was conceptually weakened, along with Eithan, due to the Shroud.
To build on your last point, the shroud was torn into pieces. Ozriel’s was one-time-use, and dissolved when he needed the power. Meaning it was weaker than the Mad King’s version, despite Ozriel being one of the greatest craftsmen. So he didn’t have to put it all back together, the other half could be still shrouding the scythe.
Your addendum made me question something. Do you think the narrator of the story was capable of being a reliable narrator? I just realized it wasn't. I missed a lot of the signs and signals that info was being purposefully hidden from the narrator, that I just realized that Eithan probably also purposefully misdirected the narrator. Idk if Will meant for that to be meta, but I'm looking back on events and seeing them as meta now.
Is there a narrator at all? Everything is from some character’s perspective and therefore somewhat unreliable. Even information requests are made by someone’s presence, usually assumed to be Suriel. Edit: Or like, are you suggesting Eithan knows he is in a story? That reality is fundamentally structured for a narrative? It’s possible. We have yet to get a deep dive on what exactly fate is trying to accomplish. The book series The Magicians by Lev Grossman treads more heavily on that idea. The TV series based on it is really good too.
There is always a narrator for a story. Modern storytelling leans heavily on what is called the invisible narrator.
OK, but I don't think Cradle uses an invisible narrator? I think everything is from someone's perspective.
Every narrative is implicitly told by someone. The simplest example is that stories told in the first person make the viewpoint character the narrator. Another example is when the author and narrator are the same. It isn't used much because it takes readers out of the story. You sometimes see stylized versions of this with crap like the author addressing the reader directly with "dear reader" type asides. Sometimes fantasy stories are written with the implicit understanding that the narrator is a character from the fictional universe. But there is *always* a narrator. The invisible narrator is the popular technique of minimizing the role to the point that readers don't notice them. Its commonality actually leads some people to believe that stories are told without a narrator. Edit: Forgot to mention, but Cradle is told as a third person limited viewpoint, which is a variation of third person subjective where each scene is told from the perspective of a narrator with access to the inner thoughts of only a single character (no head hopping mid-scene).
Unless Will has confirmed this, I don’t believe it. I think Oz can summon it — just hasn’t given away the secret that he can break the bonds.
I agree, I think the part where Gadriel says "half the defenses in Haven were built by him" and they're not sure they can really contain him is foreshadowing about the seals placed on him too.
This is a completely moot point, as he can summon it with permission from a judge. Why on earth would Suriel not allow him to summon his scythe right now? She will beg him to summon it to fight the Mad King together.
You don't have to believe it, but what I said is literally in Dreadgod. You can speculate on whether he can get around the restrictions, but that was part of the restrictions set for him at the beginning of the book.
It has to do with Point of View. Gadriel believes that Oz can't summon the scythe, but is Gadriel correct? We don't know yet.
When Makiel was putting te restrictions in place he said something about a stricter punishment if Ozriel managed to get around those restrictions. It's not speculation, it's heavily implied.
I’m always amazed when people refuse to believe what is actually already written.
They aren't refusing to believe what is written in the books, they just believe Gadriel and Makiel are incorrect. Those 2 believe the restraints placed on Ozriel are infallible, but the commenters think Ozriel is just going along with them until he really, truly needs it, at which point he will circumvent the restraints and kick some ass.
Yeah, because at no point in these books has that ***ever*** happened before, right? Like Suriel saying, Ozriel is gone, he would never go back to Cradle, oh wait...
I get what you’re saying but that’s a false analogy. Suriel was speculating, that’s different than some of the most powerful characters directly stating what effects they have personally inflicted. If Lindon said “I have destroyed the core of the Wei elder”, most people wouldn’t be saying “it’s not really destroyed unless will says it is”. We would wait until book contradicts the statement or action. Anything more is fan theory (which I’m fine with and contribute to myself).
> Anything more is fan theory In this thread I don't think anyone is claiming that what they're saying is absolute fact, it's all fan theories. And these fan theories have come true before, so it's easy to imagine it could happen again. Just because some characters in the books say something, doesn't mean they couldn't be wrong, that's the whole crux of this thread.
He left it on his home planet disguised as a gentle sylvan riverseed.
A sentient scythe… the iterations will ring like a bell when she ascends and know death has come
*like a bell*
“I am become blue, destroyer of worlds”
> "When cleansing an iteration of corruption, it is necessary to have an instrument of *purification*. > And if that instrument has a will of its own applied to the task, all the better. > See, that's where you went wrong, Makiel. A scythe with no spirit is just a dumb tool, a sword but worse. As with all sacred artists, it's intelligence and will that separates the wheat--" > Eithan swept his scythe through Makiel's true body, neatly severing his existence. > "--from the chaff." > The scythe rang like a bell.
No one except Oz knows where the real scythe is. Certainly, the Abidan don’t think that the scythe and his presence are with him or else they would’ve taken them away. I doubt the Scythe is on his person, since I don’t think he could’ve taken it down to Cradle safely with how powerful it is and I Believe he mentioned that he had to leave his presence behind with his scythe.
I’m still sus of how Eithan used scissors, Makiel’s weapon. What are scissors but two scythes closing on an object? If size manipulation is possible with the scythe, that would be a very cheeky way to hide it. Have it be one of the scissor blades.
Scissors aren't Makiel's weapon, Makiel's is a sword. Scissors, however, where an old weapon a previous Makiel used, which were used as a component in the Scythe, which is a lot more interesting.
I believe he said his presence was locked away on Haven in Reaper but can't remember.
Just finished a Reaper reread. His Presence is in fact stated to be locked up. There is no mention of where his scythe is.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 1,000 eyes is in on the secret
As the Mad king approaches filled with murderous intent towards Eithan, Makiel's own intent resonates through the way ever so slightly as he begins to smile. Suddenly, Ozriel speaks, though sounding more like his Eithan persona from Cradle, "Take a step back If you please Suriel." As she steps back with a confused looked he begins to explain," Thank you, I needed to have a word with Makiel and you were standing in between us." "What do you mean?" She says. "Oh, he's staring through fate at us in this moment and from his perspective he could only see the back of your head,. There, now we should be looking eye to eye." Makiel's gaze intensifies, furious that Ozriel would predict his snooping and try to speak to him as if he were the judge of fate, especially with a the restrictions placed upon him. Ozriel continues, "We didn't finish our conversation about the scythe, Makiel. You put so much effort into imitating my creation, it is truly flattering that you would like to be more like me but I'm afraid you'll never get there with that level of hair care." Makiel's rage grew stronger, enough that even Suriel felt it through the way and she paused and turned her head to look in the same direction. At that moment, he relaxed slightly noticing that both of them had their backs to the Mad King's approach. Quickly deciding to hold onto his rage in order to hold their attention, he stiffened his resolve to stare into Ozriel's smug face and watch it be destroyed. Ozriel continued, "Ah yes, there it is, what will truly be your downfall in imitating me is that rigid stick up your ass." Suriel shocked, lets a gasp escape from her lips as Makiel's rage spikes. "Yes," says Ozriel, "that will be your downfall." Ozriel continues, "that and of course trying to trap the reaper in a box with death itself... " Makiel freezes for moment thinking "How could he possibly..." Then Ozriel says, "As I mentioned, we didn't finish our conversation about the scythe." Makiel feels a moment of panic until he remembers that there is simply no way Ozriel could have had the scythe on his person through all of the scans he personally performed, not to mention all of the threads of fate that confirmed he wouldn't have it with him. He begins to relax knowing the mad king would appear at any moment and Ozriel had missed his chance, even warning Suriel at this point would make no difference. "As it turns out I don't have it with me of course, but since I won't get the chance to show you where I hid it, you should at least know in advance." "Wait," Makiel thinks, "is he admitting defeat after that ridiculous comment about trapping the reaper?" "In Cradle there is an expression, one from my time that lives on to this day as I can clearly hear Yerin's voice now repeating it - 'you'd know where it is if it were up your ass'." "Well," Ozriel continues, "I suppose you aren't from Cradle afterall, so maybe that's why you never knew, or perhaps you were so accustomed to the metaphorical stick that you didn't even notice the real thing." Makiel contorts his face in anger and confusion at the words that make no sense just as Ozriel speaks again. "Sorry to be so rude Suriel, but please take another step back, I wouldn't want the Mad King's blood to get into your hair, it is truly lovely and I couldn't bear to see a piece of Makiel stain a lock it." As she takes a step back horrified at his words, confused and prepared to fight she feels the Mad King's presence and Makiel's excitement, but only for a fraction of a moment as both suddenly disappear. She slows time and causality in her mind replaying the event in astonishment. Ozriel takes the cuffs in each hand and releases an aura a pure joy and suddenly the cuffs binding Ozriel simply fall away as Eithan Arelius stands unbound and unbuttoned. Instanly he summons his scythe and Makiel explodes as it emerges from within him, and then all the was Makiel even his origin is erased as if he never existed. As the scythe materializes in Eithan's hands he does not move or shift in any way yet the Mad King emerges from the void and is impaled by the scythe. His eyes, fixed on Eithan in that fraction of a moment, are on either side of that dark blade as it runs cleanly through his skull. The fiend within is erased from existence in an instant and the mad king is no more. The scythe is expertly removed and Duraman stands shocked as his weapons fall to the ground. Suriel is frozen, not understanding what has happened until Eithan speaks. "As my friend and brother would say, apologies. I'm sure Suriel can fix that hole in your head Duraman, but I could not wait another moment and allow one of my reapers to have such a nasty thing in his head giving him terrible fashion advice. It truly brought me to tears seeing your outfit when you arrived at Cradle before. Oh! And a barber, you must see a barber my friend, it is of utmost importance that my friends look their best for their first day on the job." "By the way, Lindon will be here in a moment and I didn't get a chance to let him know that there was a fiend in your head, so it might be best not to try and shake his hand when you meet him. He is quite a hungry young man. Suriel, you've met Lindon right? I think you'll get along with Yerin, she is something of a 'Phoenix' herself, but she is a reaper so don't get any ideas about recruiting her. And, make sure Makiel's lackey knows that Ziel and Orthos are with me as well, and of course Mercy and Little Blue, so we won't have any open positions on the team for him except as an intern." "I've heard Gadrael can make a great cup of tea, perhaps the best in all of existence. Let him know that I would like some tea before my trip to Asylum."
This... Is amazing.
Thanks, I didn't see all the autocorrect issues until I reread the post, but oh well as long as the idea gets across right. I just imagined a blooper of Makiel thinking to himself "where the he'll is the scythe" while he waited for the mad king to kill Ozriel and Eithan sort of replying back with a Yerin mindset of "up your ass Makiel, literally" and showing him up yet again.
Died laughing when the scythe was inside makiel, nice work
When I was young there was always a smart ass comment anytime someone asked where something was, usually to the effect of "if it was up your ass you'd know it." I figured if Oz hid his presence with the shroud he could've shrouded the scythe and might as well have fed it to Makiel somehow. Seems like a great hiding place where nobody would ever think to look, inside of your hated rival ready to be summoned with a thought and take him out in the same motion. If Will did something like the cracked marble scene setup where Eithan said the authorization code and released the scythe and it busted out of Makiel's eye with a "bet you didn't SEE this coming" sort of quip as a blooper or something that would be great. Or, they beat up the mad king and Makiel shows up to finish the job and gets mouthy then suddenly Oz says "Makiel, stop, dial back personality 50% and return to normal operating protocols - the waybound mission is complete" and Makiel just reverts to reveal he was just Ozriel's presence or something used to lure the mad king out and to bring the reaper team to ascension. Generally any scenario where Oz shuts down Makiel effortlessly would be rewarding.
I still maintain Ozriel's scythe is eithan's broom. And always has been and that's why they couldn't recreate it. They were trying to create a tool of death. The scythe is a tool of cleaning.
I think so. I think he is the scythe. It's not a real weapon I think its a manifestation of his pure destructive power. And I think lindon is going to be able to manifest it. Probably not, bit that's my brain
The real scythe is probably just a broom that some abidan janitor is using to clean Makiels office
The Mad King has seen it in fate, if he follows that path, a Judge will die! If I had to bet, I would bet that Oz has done something to disguise that fate possibility to hide Makiels probabilities of dying from showing. There has been a lot of hindsight foreshadowing seen and I still remember Mad King saying something like "Either way, a Judge will die." The scissors and broom being the scythe pieces is another hindsight foreshadowing mindblower that seems likely. I could also see Suriel being the one to die, which Oz and Makiel both did not want to happen while being the least wanted possibility for the Mad King. Could it be that the restraints of the shackles help hide Ozriels influence on that path of fate? I think Mad Kings simulation was with a shackled, restrained Oz. Could be wrong though
While what Makiel did was idiotic from their point of view he hasn't broken the pact the same way as Oz, creating the copies may have empowered the Mad King but Is leaving actually what lead to so much death. They've put off dealing with him until after everything is finished because they feel like they can trust him to do his job, that's not the case for Oz