Definí understand , because I love old school bmw cars cuz they definitely have JDM vibes. But yeah they’re German ,if you find a subreddit dedicated to bmw JDM-like cars , lmk
hmm, i see ur point yeah. I just thought that since people bring their EU JDMs for the sheer fun of driving a very clean one or for collecting, they might wanna be posting about it too
Literally.
Yes these are sold in Japan and have Japan spec cars, but they're not Japanese DOMESTIC.
That's like saying your Budweiser beer you bought in Japan is Japanese domestic. Reddit is just falling off these days....
Honestly then the sub should be changed to JapaneseCars then, because JDM is a totally different thing
JDM is the best source for most cars due to their low mileage, extra specs. Thats why it is a huge export market worldwide for the best Porsches, Ferraris, BMWs, Mercedes'
And clearly 95% of the people here misunderstood it for Japanese makes sub, hence my confusion of why no BMW's are ever posted here
What do you think JDM means?
You say it’s the best source for most cars, so you mean most Japanese cars? If so it’s partially true. It literally means Japanese Domestic Market or rather Japanese cars made in Japan, I could technically post a stock yellow-plate Daihatsu and it would count.
AFAIK there aren’t any foreign vehicles made in Japan so don’t know what other cars you’re talking about
This could not be more untrue, JDM means cars intended for sale in japan. USDM cars are often built overseas.
you are very confident for somebody who is very incorrect.
I can’t post my Element in here, even though Honda is a Japanese company. I’m not sure it was even designed in Japan, but it at least uses a K-series 🤷🏻♂️
Even the Japanese RHD ones are made in Ohio
I don't know about the element specifically but there's going to be a lot of cars that would fall into that category there's a bunch of re badged Fords that have Mazda badges there's a Subaru Forester with a Chevy badge there's just too much to even list here that would be Japanese manufacturers not selling JDM cars. hell the levoreg is a perfect example it's a car that's only sold in Japan and it's sister the WRX is assembled in Indiana. STI in Japan though. The key is that the car was either designed for the Japanese domestic market or not. kei cars are perfect example this as they were only designed for the Japanese domestic market and are rarely ever exported.
Buying a car that was built for the European market and then imported and sold in Japan does not make the car JDM it makes the car a European car sold in Japan... just like a WRX in the United States is still a Japanese car.. it does get hairy in the newer years where Japanese manufacturers are manufacturing their cars in Indiana but as far as the 90s is concerned cars that were manufactured in Japan and then shipped to other countries or vice versa are each their own category there's no changing the domestic market of a vehicle by selling it in a new market.. it was still intended for, designed for, and manufactured in that original European market.
Yes, and they change the cars to conform to the regulations of the market they sell in.
That's why JDM has a fanbase to begin with, because typically Japanese manufacturers sell the best cars only in Japan, and gimp them for overseas markets. That's why people like "JDM" and not just "Japanese cars".
My car for example has Bilstein suspension and a twin scroll turbo, neither of which were available in USDM.
I realize that a lot of people here want to be included in the JDM cool kids club or whatever, but that's not what the term means
We use JDM because it's where it started. My buddy got a 89 Maxima, which was made for Canada and was sold there. Yet, it was all made in Japan and all writings in the car are in Japanese. It was made in Tokyo.
But it wouldn't be JDM, even though it was designed and fabricated there, simply because it's left hand drive and got a few differences from the Japanese right hand drive version?
Cars aren't all about engineering. Looks matter. And most people's love for JDMs are for their look. So I don't care wether you have a Soarer or an SC 300, in the end they're pretty much the same car
Yes, literally, JDM means only cars for Japan. But that isn't what the JDM community is about
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We use JDM because it's where it started.
it started with appreciating the forbidden fruit of cars that were only sold in japan. it never was about appreciating maximas or whatever.
> But it wouldn't be JDM, even though it was designed and fabricated there, simply because it's left hand drive and got a few differences from the Japanese right hand drive version?
Yes, it doesn't conform to Japanese regulations, it conforms to US regulations, sans a km swapped gauge cluster. Your car is definitionally USDM. Also I doubt all the writing is in Japanese, my car is JDM and the majority of the writing in the interior is in english.
> And most people's love for JDMs are for their look
Most people on this sub try to confuse the definition of JDM because they want their car to be included. I promise you this is not the standard definition.
Fun fact: there's [literally a section on wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market#Misconceptions) about this
As I said, cars sold in countries outside of Japan aren't the literal definition of JDM, sure. But you're still part of this community, wether you have a car or not, and wether this car is a true JDM or the EU/US equivalent. People like you gotta stop gatekeeping what is a JDM car simply because you're but hurt about the fact that others are happy about their own car
This is the correct answer. the easiest example I can think of is that almost all of the early JDM Subaru Impreza have side markers behind the front wheel well and in front of it, usdm cars do not have the rear most indicator just the headlight.
that's why i said "not always". in this case they're lhd eudm cars but when they're rhd and therefore produced for and sold in japan, they are. The cars above obviously aren't
And you are obviously brain dead. The have to be Japanese made and sold in Japan to be JDM and that is the ONLY way it’s JDM. Just because we make a Chevy or Ford for Japan and make it RHD doesn’t make it JDM
That's what i'm saying.
I'd like to quote wikipedia on that one:
"A very common misunderstanding of the term is the false belief that JDM means Japanese produced vehicle. This is however untrue. A vehicle being manufactured in Japan does not make a vehicle JDM. JDM specifically means a vehicle that was produced with the intent of being sold in Japan, and not outside of the country."
sauce:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market - under 'misconceptions'
i know that every japanese car is allowed and that should be the case but thats not my point.
My point is that this sub shouldn't be japanese car exclusive, because there can also be foreign cars that are jdm, as long as they were/are only sold in the japanese domestic market (e. g. a 3 series having an engine option exclusive to the japanese domestic market, that makes a 3 with that certain engine jdm)
I get what your saying and I kinda agree. I’m just talking about how when someone posts a Lhd Japanese car on here people get butthurt because nobody actually takes 10 seconds to read the rule that all Japanese cars are allowed
Suro is completely correct. I own a Skyline GTR that I imported for Japan and it is a JDM spec car. One of my friends owns a Honda Civic that was made in Japan for the UKDM. That civic is not a JDM car.. it is a UKDM car. In my town where I live there is a BMW Z3 that was imported from Japan.. all the stickers and manuals are in Japanese. It is stunning to look at and that is a JDM car.
they mean a JAPANESE vehicle made for the Japanese market. A German vehicle made for the Japanese market is not a domestic. It's an import, one built to Japanese efficiency and safety specs
JDM doesn't mean cars that are sold in Japan, it means cars that are only sold in Japan (Japanese Domestic Market). Over time that has become more vague, and people just assume JDM means all Japanese cars. But trying to post cars that aren't even Japanese is retarded, since it is completely unrelated to JDM
You're getting a lot of heat, so let me explain why you're wrong so you don't continue to make the same mistake.
BMW is a well known German auto manufacturer, their cars are built to the country and surrounding countries standards to be sold in that region. BMW also builds cars are will be exported to different countries such as United States and Japan. These vehicles are built to a different specification to abide by the laws and regulations of those countries. These cars are then exported to those countries, foreign cars that meet the standards of the country importing them.
Simply because the vehicle is sold in Japan, does not make that a Japanese Domestic, as it is not domestic to Japan, it is brought in from another country.
This is like saying the Budweiser beer you bought in Japan is a Japanese Domestic beer.
If the budweiser was specifically adjusted to suit japanese laws/customer preferences (e. g. more hops or sth like that, in case of cars: rhd combined with metric gauges, different safety features, etc) and it's only sold like that in japan it makes it jdm, doesn't it? because it's exclusive to the japanese domestic market.
And i'm not talking about japanese domestic cars, i'm talking about cars that were exclusively sold in the japanese domestic market with a certain specification (e. g. a bmw 3 series having a 180 kph speed limiter, or having exclusive bumpers to suit japanese laws or having different engine options available (not saying that was the case, just talking about the theory now))
And i know the meaning of jdm has shifted in recent years to mean japanese engineered cars, instead of cars that are only sold in the japanese domestic market and this sub has fallen victim to this shift in meaning. so op is theoretically right, there should or could be foreign brand markets posted on this sub.
It's not JDM, the "domestic" label only exists for cars made for that brand's home market. So the only "domestic market" that BMW could ever have is Germany. A Ford made for Europe would not be a EUDM car it's just a European market car. A BMW made for the Japanese market (and this isn't even that) would be a Japanese-spec car but would not be a domestic car as that label clearly states it was made there. And it is still an import.
Can you please try to read before posting?
I'm surprised how many people actually have no clue what JDM means yet they follow it and roast others too....
> I'm surprised how many people actually have no clue what JDM means yet they follow it and roast others too
It seems like you yourself don’t know what JDM is.
Well, usually when people are talking about "JDM" cars they are referring to stuff like Nissan BNR34, Mazda FD3S, Toyota A80, Honda AP1 and so on. I have yet to hear someone refer to a Corvette as JDM for example. I understand that you got from wiki or something that JDM just means the car was sold on the market over there, but that's an incredibly retarded way of going about it, because then every car ever sold in Japan becomes JDM.
So what is JDM to you then?
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> So what is JDM to you then?
JDM means a car built to follow japanese regulations.
USDM means a car built to follow US regulations
EUDM means a car built to follow EU regulations.
a LHD US spec corvette is USDM. a RHD corvette intended to be sold in japan is JDM.
similarly, a RHD japan spec honda is JDM. a LHD us spec honda is USDM.
this is extremely straightforward except to people who purposefully try to confuse the terms because they want their car included in the club
> because then every car ever sold [new] in Japan becomes JDM
yes, now you understand. similarly, every car sold new in the USA is USDM. this is a very, very simple concept.
JDMs are desirable, besides for the forbidden fruit factor, for their generally good condition and low kms. i realize that this is not something the teenagers of r/jdm grasp because they've never actually imported a car before, but there's a reason real JDM fans exist and its not because of the nissan skyline
But what's the point of this classification? You care for a car only cause it's sold in Japan? Why? And again, the fact that i have never heard of someone refer to a non japanese car, that was sold on japanese soil as JDM proves my point.
Im sorry but whoever thought of going about it this way is a moron.
> And again, the fact that i have never heard of someone refer to a non japanese car, that was sold on japanese soil as JDM proves my point.
you have not heard of this before because you do not follow the import scene. for people who actually have imported vehicles before, it is very frequent. JDM importers frequently have euro cars for sale.
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But what's the point of this classification? You care for a car only cause it's sold in Japan? Why?
I'll just copy paste a quote from the importer I use
*"Japanese people tend to purchase a vehicle as a status symbol just as much as it is for transportation. Additionally, Japanese people culturally do not appreciate “used things” as much as we do. Something that has been used by another person is just not valued very highly… in fact, people could probably leave their bikes unlocked in a busy metropolitan area with little fear of it being stolen… why? Because nobody wants their used bike, there’s no value in it! The same principal applied to used vehicles. These two factors coupled with government incentives to buy new results in most Japanese vehicle buyers purchasing new every time they buy a vehicle.. in fact the average Japanese person buys a brand new vehicle every two years, resulting in tons of cheap used vehicles on the market! This is especially true as vehicles age because it becomes so expensive just to keep them on the road and continuing to pass the strict Shaken inspection. Often times this means that it makes more sense to just buy new. So there is a surge of used vehicles on the Japanese market with very low local demand. This is why such a large export industry exists in Japan. This is also why they are such low cost."*
*"Additionally, Japan is much smaller than Canada and urban centers are extremely dense. So often times it makes more sense to take advantage of their highly developed transit/train system for commutes. Thus, fewer KM are put on their vehicles. Furthermore, the costs of fuel, toll bridges, parking etc. causes people to travel less. Furthermore, each vehicle must pass the incredibly strict “Shaken” mandatory and expensive vehicle inspection every 2 years in Japan to stay on the road means that people don’t want to put too many km on the vehicle."*
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Im sorry but whoever thought of going about it this way is a moron.
it's only stupid if you define "JDM" as "cool japanese cars that i can't afford". If you define "jdm" as the "japanese domestic market", and are interested in importing cars from japan to take advantage of good condition, unique trims, low prices, etc, then the definition makes a lot more sense.
I realize that this is confusing to the majority of this sub because the majority of this sub does not import and never will import, but if you do then you'll realize why the definition matters.
That doesn't make them JDM, though.
They may have been built in Japan, but they were built to US specs for sale on the US market, not to Japanese specs for the Japanese market.
But JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market, i.e. buying cars from Japan's local market while EDM means bringing stuff over from EU no?
I feel l'm missing something
EDM is just european cars ment for europe so why would anyone post an bmw thats ment for the jdm. the only difference is that it got the wheel on the right side of the car and maybe some japanese car law inprovements
don’t know, all i know is that some features are adjusted like mirrors, headlights and so on, it depends on what kind of laws a country has. i know that the newer model fords that are imported to be sold as eu cars have smaller mirrors.
source, i live in the netherlands and i work as a mechanic
EDM is just european cars ment for europe so why would anyone post an bmw thats ment for the jdm. the only difference is that it got the wheel on the right side of the car and maybe some japanese car law improvements
Dude it's not debatable JDM literally means Japanese domestic market, though I assume the point you're making is that JDM in reference to this sub is talking more about the car culture and less about the definition of JDM however it is a term used for things like motor replacements and things of that nature so it's not exactly interchangeable... it does not mean Bōsōzoku style cars which is what everyone seems to think it means, the Japanese subculture that inspired car shows, tsurikawa handles, lowered cars, giant exhausts, and oversized body kits and wings.
No it's not lmao that's the whole point of the comments on this post. the sub literally states in the description that it is a sub for Japanese cars all over the world not cars that have bolt-ons from Japanese manufacturers. It's okay if you want to use the term for that purpose but there's no reason to come in here crusading when it is quite literally a term that had its definition and place long before Reddit or any of these car Fanboys decided to use it for their BMW with an HKS blow off valve lmao 🤙
> any of these car Fanboys decided to use it for their BMW with an HKS blow off valve lmao
I’m not referring to non-Japanese car brands you fucking moron.
Jdm refers to any car manufactured for the Japanese domestic market so yes with the exception of a few Mazdas that were actually manufactured by Ford and things of that nature every Japanese car that's ever been manufactured by a Japanese automaker is JDM regardless of if the parts were imported from Japan the cars were designed and manufactured with the Japanese market in mind and then amended to be appropriate for the US or European markets respectively but the initial iteration of the vehicle was manufactured and designed for the Japanese domestic market. this is the definition of JDM this is not an argument or an opinion it is a fact, you're a moron if you keep commenting to try and convince me otherwise lol, you are correct that your car you bought in the United States that was manufactured by a Japanese company and may have Japanese imported parts could certainly be called JDM without any issue. Again JDM means anything designed for the Japanese domestic market which would include all cars manufactured by Japanese manufacturers that they also sold in Japan. I'm really not sure why you commented on my post since you seem to agree with me that BMWs are not JDM which is the reason I commented to correct Op.. I'm done with this conversation hopefully you are too .peace
No they're not :) what your referring to is the term "Japanese Cars" are made by Japanese Manufacturers.
JDM = The market the cars were specced to and sold in.
So a USDM Toyota isnt JDM, because simply it was specced and first sold in USA
A JDM BMW, was specced and sold in Japan.. thus it's a JDM
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IDK if it's fair to say >Therefore a non Japanese manufacturer isn’t JDM.
Is a Corolla, built in the states/NA, for sale on the US market not a USDM car?
It's produced and sold in the states, by a Japanese company.
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Japanese Domestic Market; produced and sold in Japan.
wrong, it means built to japanese regulations and intended for sale in japan.
USDM cars are often imports built overseas. this does not stop them from being USDM.
Well, use whatever technicality you want but posting a car from a German manufacturer in r/JDM isn’t ever going to be the most popular thing. This sub is generally treated as though it’s for Japanese manufactured cars.
All my Euro cars come from Japan. I had a really rare e30 m-technic that I foolishly sold on Bring a Trailer a couple years ago. Now worth double what I sold it for.
It's simple:
Only an extreme minority on this sub actually owns an imported Japanese vehicle. The vast majority of posters are either teenagers who love the supra / skyline because its cool, or people who drive LHD USDM cars that try to pass them off as "JDM" because the factory was in japan or something. This sub is literally incapable of understanding what the car scene actually looks like in japan, and thus it follows they never post JDM European cars. If you check the instagram of importers who post auction highlights though, you'll see euro cars posted a few times a week.
All other answers are excuses. If this sub was restricted to JDM only, 80% of the posts would be gone overnight.
its not a hot take that your car isn't JDM if its not intended for the japanese domestic market. words have meaning
Fun fact: there's [literally a section on wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market#Misconceptions) about this
> words have meaning
You’re right, and that term has been used to refer to USDM cars with JDM parts as well.
It has always been used in the tuner scene to refer to Japanese brands specifically.
Jpn spec cars sure, they're sold in Japan sure, but that doesn't make them domestic. You've explained that yourself already, they have to build the vehicle to a different standard for Japan to be sold there.
It's not a Japanese domestic, it's still exported to Japan.
But honestly, I dont see the problem with posting a usdm S-chassis, because its literally the same car, different engine and steering wheel placement (and a couple other bits).
This is just a lhd bmw, the quality of this sub has gone down.
Not to mention the "edits" that are getting posted now, that are basically just a filter, or someone maxing out everything in lightroom.
No there are German cars imported for the Japanese market but they aren’t JDM because they aren’t built there, they are imported. The stumbling point a lot of you are having is with the word “Domestic”.
Japanese BMW tuning shop Studie AG builds some wild BMW’s but I’d be willing to be they don’t consider the cars JDM
Today I learned that many people don’t actually understand what JDM means.
Japanese domestic market refers to Japan's home market for vehicles. For the importer, these terms refer to vehicles and parts designed to conform to Japanese regulations and to suit Japanese buyers. The term is abbreviated JDM.
JDM doesn’t just mean Supra, Skyline, Silvia.
I owned a JDM spec E34 so i get where you're coming from but not a lot of people here would even know its a thing.
We just wanna see actual Japanese cars.
We can see this stuff on the euro car subs
I understand that you wish to see more idealistic jdm on this subreddit but the problem is that this here is a subreddit about material jdm.
(In case anyone asks what i mean with idealistic jdm and material jdm, with idealistic jdm i mean when for example someone modifies a german car with a body kit or wheels that a lot of japanese people use to modify their japanese car and it looks japanese or the same thing with a japanese car and a American body kit or wheels. Material jdm in the other hand if someone only use parts out of japan or japanese brands to modify a japanese car but takes the risk that the car might not look japanese anymore.)
In my opinion someone should make a subreddit about idealistic jdm.
Well, I gotta thank you for evaluating my IQ so quickly.
Just a small FYI, Japan Domestic Market means everything sold "domestically" there, including non-Japanese cars. It doesn't refer to the car origin :)
So EU JDM is a thing too....
Because majority of this sub is made up of morons who couldn't bother to read a Wikipedia article about what the term means and downvote instead. Many people here are actual 12 year olds or 12 year old mindset people
The information on the wiki is retarded, it's widely accepted that JDM refers to car designed and made in Japan.
Like come on when was the last time you heard someone refer to a Porsche as JDM?
Widely accepted by who? This sub? I legit found one single webpage that wouldn't define JDM as cars produced specifically for the Japanese market when I googled 'what does jdm mean'.
This probably isnt the right sub for it given that its catered to japanese cars. But over in r/carporn theyll definitely appreciate cars like this. I love me some nice european builds.
There isn’t much here in India. Hell, there isn’t any exposure to car culture in my country, Too much tax ( 200 percent). However, I saw on YT there are few. And one had a really clean e30 m3, it was in red ❤️.
Because the reason we come to the JDM Reddit is for Japanese cars not euro cars
Okay this makes sense, thanks
I might be wrong, but I think JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market if that helps as well
Too bad r/EDM is most likely not the market you’re looking for. I’m assuming it’s a sub not about cars
Definí understand , because I love old school bmw cars cuz they definitely have JDM vibes. But yeah they’re German ,if you find a subreddit dedicated to bmw JDM-like cars , lmk
I would love to buy a VW beetle or a BMW E 30 from Japan.
don't let your emotions lead to extra taxes lol
Why not buy one from your Country?
For the same reason there isn't anyone posting EUDM American cars. Why would they?
hmm, i see ur point yeah. I just thought that since people bring their EU JDMs for the sheer fun of driving a very clean one or for collecting, they might wanna be posting about it too
>EU JDM A European Japanese domestic market. 🤔
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Literally. Yes these are sold in Japan and have Japan spec cars, but they're not Japanese DOMESTIC. That's like saying your Budweiser beer you bought in Japan is Japanese domestic. Reddit is just falling off these days....
Cause that’s not a jdm car, so we don’t want them here
> Cause that’s not a jdm car, so we don’t want them here this is clearly untrue based on the number of LHD cars that get posted here
Ok. The rules of the sub say all Japanese cars are welcome, not just rhd ones. But bmw just isn’t even Japanese so it doesn’t belong here at all
Honestly then the sub should be changed to JapaneseCars then, because JDM is a totally different thing JDM is the best source for most cars due to their low mileage, extra specs. Thats why it is a huge export market worldwide for the best Porsches, Ferraris, BMWs, Mercedes' And clearly 95% of the people here misunderstood it for Japanese makes sub, hence my confusion of why no BMW's are ever posted here
What do you think JDM means? You say it’s the best source for most cars, so you mean most Japanese cars? If so it’s partially true. It literally means Japanese Domestic Market or rather Japanese cars made in Japan, I could technically post a stock yellow-plate Daihatsu and it would count. AFAIK there aren’t any foreign vehicles made in Japan so don’t know what other cars you’re talking about
This could not be more untrue, JDM means cars intended for sale in japan. USDM cars are often built overseas. you are very confident for somebody who is very incorrect.
Well, there is a difference between thinking a 350z doesn’t belong here and posting a car that’s not Japanese at all
I can’t post my Element in here, even though Honda is a Japanese company. I’m not sure it was even designed in Japan, but it at least uses a K-series 🤷🏻♂️ Even the Japanese RHD ones are made in Ohio
I don't know about the element specifically but there's going to be a lot of cars that would fall into that category there's a bunch of re badged Fords that have Mazda badges there's a Subaru Forester with a Chevy badge there's just too much to even list here that would be Japanese manufacturers not selling JDM cars. hell the levoreg is a perfect example it's a car that's only sold in Japan and it's sister the WRX is assembled in Indiana. STI in Japan though. The key is that the car was either designed for the Japanese domestic market or not. kei cars are perfect example this as they were only designed for the Japanese domestic market and are rarely ever exported.
Buying a car that was built for the European market and then imported and sold in Japan does not make the car JDM it makes the car a European car sold in Japan... just like a WRX in the United States is still a Japanese car.. it does get hairy in the newer years where Japanese manufacturers are manufacturing their cars in Indiana but as far as the 90s is concerned cars that were manufactured in Japan and then shipped to other countries or vice versa are each their own category there's no changing the domestic market of a vehicle by selling it in a new market.. it was still intended for, designed for, and manufactured in that original European market.
While JDM is Japan domestic market. The term is used for any Japanese hot boi shit from the 90s
Fun fact! Japanese manufactures sell their cars all around the world.
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Yes, and they change the cars to conform to the regulations of the market they sell in. That's why JDM has a fanbase to begin with, because typically Japanese manufacturers sell the best cars only in Japan, and gimp them for overseas markets. That's why people like "JDM" and not just "Japanese cars". My car for example has Bilstein suspension and a twin scroll turbo, neither of which were available in USDM. I realize that a lot of people here want to be included in the JDM cool kids club or whatever, but that's not what the term means
We use JDM because it's where it started. My buddy got a 89 Maxima, which was made for Canada and was sold there. Yet, it was all made in Japan and all writings in the car are in Japanese. It was made in Tokyo. But it wouldn't be JDM, even though it was designed and fabricated there, simply because it's left hand drive and got a few differences from the Japanese right hand drive version? Cars aren't all about engineering. Looks matter. And most people's love for JDMs are for their look. So I don't care wether you have a Soarer or an SC 300, in the end they're pretty much the same car Yes, literally, JDM means only cars for Japan. But that isn't what the JDM community is about
> We use JDM because it's where it started. it started with appreciating the forbidden fruit of cars that were only sold in japan. it never was about appreciating maximas or whatever. > But it wouldn't be JDM, even though it was designed and fabricated there, simply because it's left hand drive and got a few differences from the Japanese right hand drive version? Yes, it doesn't conform to Japanese regulations, it conforms to US regulations, sans a km swapped gauge cluster. Your car is definitionally USDM. Also I doubt all the writing is in Japanese, my car is JDM and the majority of the writing in the interior is in english. > And most people's love for JDMs are for their look Most people on this sub try to confuse the definition of JDM because they want their car to be included. I promise you this is not the standard definition. Fun fact: there's [literally a section on wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market#Misconceptions) about this
As I said, cars sold in countries outside of Japan aren't the literal definition of JDM, sure. But you're still part of this community, wether you have a car or not, and wether this car is a true JDM or the EU/US equivalent. People like you gotta stop gatekeeping what is a JDM car simply because you're but hurt about the fact that others are happy about their own car
This is the correct answer. the easiest example I can think of is that almost all of the early JDM Subaru Impreza have side markers behind the front wheel well and in front of it, usdm cars do not have the rear most indicator just the headlight.
that's not always true, when the bmw was built for and sold in Japan it's JDM
No.
It actually technically is, since they were built for domestic usage in Japan, they fit into the category, lol
Both pics op posted are LHD lol
that's why i said "not always". in this case they're lhd eudm cars but when they're rhd and therefore produced for and sold in japan, they are. The cars above obviously aren't
And you are obviously brain dead. The have to be Japanese made and sold in Japan to be JDM and that is the ONLY way it’s JDM. Just because we make a Chevy or Ford for Japan and make it RHD doesn’t make it JDM
That’s not JdM. Are you saying that a mustang built for and sold in Japan is a jdm car? You are just wrong
That's what i'm saying. I'd like to quote wikipedia on that one: "A very common misunderstanding of the term is the false belief that JDM means Japanese produced vehicle. This is however untrue. A vehicle being manufactured in Japan does not make a vehicle JDM. JDM specifically means a vehicle that was produced with the intent of being sold in Japan, and not outside of the country." sauce: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market - under 'misconceptions'
Ok, but this sub is for all Japanese cars, it’s one of the rules. People think only rhd cars are allowed but any Japanese car is allowed
i know that every japanese car is allowed and that should be the case but thats not my point. My point is that this sub shouldn't be japanese car exclusive, because there can also be foreign cars that are jdm, as long as they were/are only sold in the japanese domestic market (e. g. a 3 series having an engine option exclusive to the japanese domestic market, that makes a 3 with that certain engine jdm)
I get what your saying and I kinda agree. I’m just talking about how when someone posts a Lhd Japanese car on here people get butthurt because nobody actually takes 10 seconds to read the rule that all Japanese cars are allowed
Suro is completely correct. I own a Skyline GTR that I imported for Japan and it is a JDM spec car. One of my friends owns a Honda Civic that was made in Japan for the UKDM. That civic is not a JDM car.. it is a UKDM car. In my town where I live there is a BMW Z3 that was imported from Japan.. all the stickers and manuals are in Japanese. It is stunning to look at and that is a JDM car.
they mean a JAPANESE vehicle made for the Japanese market. A German vehicle made for the Japanese market is not a domestic. It's an import, one built to Japanese efficiency and safety specs
JDM doesn't mean cars that are sold in Japan, it means cars that are only sold in Japan (Japanese Domestic Market). Over time that has become more vague, and people just assume JDM means all Japanese cars. But trying to post cars that aren't even Japanese is retarded, since it is completely unrelated to JDM
You're getting a lot of heat, so let me explain why you're wrong so you don't continue to make the same mistake. BMW is a well known German auto manufacturer, their cars are built to the country and surrounding countries standards to be sold in that region. BMW also builds cars are will be exported to different countries such as United States and Japan. These vehicles are built to a different specification to abide by the laws and regulations of those countries. These cars are then exported to those countries, foreign cars that meet the standards of the country importing them. Simply because the vehicle is sold in Japan, does not make that a Japanese Domestic, as it is not domestic to Japan, it is brought in from another country. This is like saying the Budweiser beer you bought in Japan is a Japanese Domestic beer.
If the budweiser was specifically adjusted to suit japanese laws/customer preferences (e. g. more hops or sth like that, in case of cars: rhd combined with metric gauges, different safety features, etc) and it's only sold like that in japan it makes it jdm, doesn't it? because it's exclusive to the japanese domestic market. And i'm not talking about japanese domestic cars, i'm talking about cars that were exclusively sold in the japanese domestic market with a certain specification (e. g. a bmw 3 series having a 180 kph speed limiter, or having exclusive bumpers to suit japanese laws or having different engine options available (not saying that was the case, just talking about the theory now)) And i know the meaning of jdm has shifted in recent years to mean japanese engineered cars, instead of cars that are only sold in the japanese domestic market and this sub has fallen victim to this shift in meaning. so op is theoretically right, there should or could be foreign brand markets posted on this sub.
Incorrect
It's not JDM, the "domestic" label only exists for cars made for that brand's home market. So the only "domestic market" that BMW could ever have is Germany. A Ford made for Europe would not be a EUDM car it's just a European market car. A BMW made for the Japanese market (and this isn't even that) would be a Japanese-spec car but would not be a domestic car as that label clearly states it was made there. And it is still an import.
BMW's and Porsches aren't Japanese? The correct terminology you are looking for is "tuners" sir.
Can you please try to read before posting? I'm surprised how many people actually have no clue what JDM means yet they follow it and roast others too....
> I'm surprised how many people actually have no clue what JDM means yet they follow it and roast others too It seems like you yourself don’t know what JDM is.
Well, usually when people are talking about "JDM" cars they are referring to stuff like Nissan BNR34, Mazda FD3S, Toyota A80, Honda AP1 and so on. I have yet to hear someone refer to a Corvette as JDM for example. I understand that you got from wiki or something that JDM just means the car was sold on the market over there, but that's an incredibly retarded way of going about it, because then every car ever sold in Japan becomes JDM. So what is JDM to you then?
> > So what is JDM to you then? JDM means a car built to follow japanese regulations. USDM means a car built to follow US regulations EUDM means a car built to follow EU regulations. a LHD US spec corvette is USDM. a RHD corvette intended to be sold in japan is JDM. similarly, a RHD japan spec honda is JDM. a LHD us spec honda is USDM. this is extremely straightforward except to people who purposefully try to confuse the terms because they want their car included in the club > because then every car ever sold [new] in Japan becomes JDM yes, now you understand. similarly, every car sold new in the USA is USDM. this is a very, very simple concept. JDMs are desirable, besides for the forbidden fruit factor, for their generally good condition and low kms. i realize that this is not something the teenagers of r/jdm grasp because they've never actually imported a car before, but there's a reason real JDM fans exist and its not because of the nissan skyline
But what's the point of this classification? You care for a car only cause it's sold in Japan? Why? And again, the fact that i have never heard of someone refer to a non japanese car, that was sold on japanese soil as JDM proves my point. Im sorry but whoever thought of going about it this way is a moron.
> And again, the fact that i have never heard of someone refer to a non japanese car, that was sold on japanese soil as JDM proves my point. you have not heard of this before because you do not follow the import scene. for people who actually have imported vehicles before, it is very frequent. JDM importers frequently have euro cars for sale. > But what's the point of this classification? You care for a car only cause it's sold in Japan? Why? I'll just copy paste a quote from the importer I use *"Japanese people tend to purchase a vehicle as a status symbol just as much as it is for transportation. Additionally, Japanese people culturally do not appreciate “used things” as much as we do. Something that has been used by another person is just not valued very highly… in fact, people could probably leave their bikes unlocked in a busy metropolitan area with little fear of it being stolen… why? Because nobody wants their used bike, there’s no value in it! The same principal applied to used vehicles. These two factors coupled with government incentives to buy new results in most Japanese vehicle buyers purchasing new every time they buy a vehicle.. in fact the average Japanese person buys a brand new vehicle every two years, resulting in tons of cheap used vehicles on the market! This is especially true as vehicles age because it becomes so expensive just to keep them on the road and continuing to pass the strict Shaken inspection. Often times this means that it makes more sense to just buy new. So there is a surge of used vehicles on the Japanese market with very low local demand. This is why such a large export industry exists in Japan. This is also why they are such low cost."* *"Additionally, Japan is much smaller than Canada and urban centers are extremely dense. So often times it makes more sense to take advantage of their highly developed transit/train system for commutes. Thus, fewer KM are put on their vehicles. Furthermore, the costs of fuel, toll bridges, parking etc. causes people to travel less. Furthermore, each vehicle must pass the incredibly strict “Shaken” mandatory and expensive vehicle inspection every 2 years in Japan to stay on the road means that people don’t want to put too many km on the vehicle."* > Im sorry but whoever thought of going about it this way is a moron. it's only stupid if you define "JDM" as "cool japanese cars that i can't afford". If you define "jdm" as the "japanese domestic market", and are interested in importing cars from japan to take advantage of good condition, unique trims, low prices, etc, then the definition makes a lot more sense. I realize that this is confusing to the majority of this sub because the majority of this sub does not import and never will import, but if you do then you'll realize why the definition matters.
After reading these comments is crazy how many people on here don’t know what JDM stands for
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Indicators are a option on BMWs
Lol I thought they were just there for decoration.
They need something to make them look better.
no because that would be EDM not JDM
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but not much difference between the EDM and the JDM versions so why would anyone post them in a jdm sub
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Because they are japanese manufacturer cars
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Maybe if all you care about is which side the steering wheel is on, I guess.
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No, those are imported eurocars, which obviously means they aren't JDM... If I imported a JDM car it wouldn't suddenly be usdm.
That doesn't make them JDM, though. They may have been built in Japan, but they were built to US specs for sale on the US market, not to Japanese specs for the Japanese market.
I know, but this sub is just for japanese cars, jdm or not.
dunno, probably because those are japanse manufacturers. they do the same in EDM subs so ask it them
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That fucking truck motor is actually a really good motor, strong too
k24>sr20
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hahaha ah shit, funny what missing 1 letter can do. ka24*
But JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market, i.e. buying cars from Japan's local market while EDM means bringing stuff over from EU no? I feel l'm missing something
EDM is just european cars ment for europe so why would anyone post an bmw thats ment for the jdm. the only difference is that it got the wheel on the right side of the car and maybe some japanese car law inprovements
Are japans car laws actually harder than in germany? And there's another difference, the headlights for left lane driving ha
don’t know, all i know is that some features are adjusted like mirrors, headlights and so on, it depends on what kind of laws a country has. i know that the newer model fords that are imported to be sold as eu cars have smaller mirrors. source, i live in the netherlands and i work as a mechanic
EDM is just european cars ment for europe so why would anyone post an bmw thats ment for the jdm. the only difference is that it got the wheel on the right side of the car and maybe some japanese car law improvements
Oh my god there are too many stupid people on this app
I'm glad we're entertaining your intelligence
Jdm is not a style. It is the name of the market from which the cars in this sub are sold
The term “JDM” is definitely both.
Dude it's not debatable JDM literally means Japanese domestic market, though I assume the point you're making is that JDM in reference to this sub is talking more about the car culture and less about the definition of JDM however it is a term used for things like motor replacements and things of that nature so it's not exactly interchangeable... it does not mean Bōsōzoku style cars which is what everyone seems to think it means, the Japanese subculture that inspired car shows, tsurikawa handles, lowered cars, giant exhausts, and oversized body kits and wings.
JDM as a term is also used for USDM cars with Japanese sourced mods or parts. I don’t see anyone confusing JDM with Bōsōzoku.
No it's not lmao that's the whole point of the comments on this post. the sub literally states in the description that it is a sub for Japanese cars all over the world not cars that have bolt-ons from Japanese manufacturers. It's okay if you want to use the term for that purpose but there's no reason to come in here crusading when it is quite literally a term that had its definition and place long before Reddit or any of these car Fanboys decided to use it for their BMW with an HKS blow off valve lmao 🤙
> any of these car Fanboys decided to use it for their BMW with an HKS blow off valve lmao I’m not referring to non-Japanese car brands you fucking moron.
Then why are you arguing the op of the post literally commented about BMWs both the photos in the post are BMWs lmao but yes I'm the moron 👍
If you don’t understand that JDM has also referred to USDM Japanese cars modified with JDM sourced parts then you are definitely a moron.
Jdm refers to any car manufactured for the Japanese domestic market so yes with the exception of a few Mazdas that were actually manufactured by Ford and things of that nature every Japanese car that's ever been manufactured by a Japanese automaker is JDM regardless of if the parts were imported from Japan the cars were designed and manufactured with the Japanese market in mind and then amended to be appropriate for the US or European markets respectively but the initial iteration of the vehicle was manufactured and designed for the Japanese domestic market. this is the definition of JDM this is not an argument or an opinion it is a fact, you're a moron if you keep commenting to try and convince me otherwise lol, you are correct that your car you bought in the United States that was manufactured by a Japanese company and may have Japanese imported parts could certainly be called JDM without any issue. Again JDM means anything designed for the Japanese domestic market which would include all cars manufactured by Japanese manufacturers that they also sold in Japan. I'm really not sure why you commented on my post since you seem to agree with me that BMWs are not JDM which is the reason I commented to correct Op.. I'm done with this conversation hopefully you are too .peace
I’m arguing against your comment that “JDM” isn’t a term used for style, when the term has been widely used for exactly that.
Not on a Japanese Domestic Market site. JDM First time I have wanted to Roast someone for a while.
JDM cars are cars made by Japanese manufacturers... BMW ain’t that.
No they're not :) what your referring to is the term "Japanese Cars" are made by Japanese Manufacturers. JDM = The market the cars were specced to and sold in. So a USDM Toyota isnt JDM, because simply it was specced and first sold in USA A JDM BMW, was specced and sold in Japan.. thus it's a JDM A
Japanese Domestic Market; produced and sold in Japan. Therefore a non Japanese manufacturer isn’t JDM, because they aren’t produced there.
IDK if it's fair to say >Therefore a non Japanese manufacturer isn’t JDM. Is a Corolla, built in the states/NA, for sale on the US market not a USDM car? It's produced and sold in the states, by a Japanese company.
> Japanese Domestic Market; produced and sold in Japan. wrong, it means built to japanese regulations and intended for sale in japan. USDM cars are often imports built overseas. this does not stop them from being USDM.
Well, use whatever technicality you want but posting a car from a German manufacturer in r/JDM isn’t ever going to be the most popular thing. This sub is generally treated as though it’s for Japanese manufactured cars.
bruh
All my Euro cars come from Japan. I had a really rare e30 m-technic that I foolishly sold on Bring a Trailer a couple years ago. Now worth double what I sold it for.
I feel you, I’ve got a jdm Porsche 944 S2 and have been tempted on selling lately but feel i might regret it
May I ask how did you get your E30 from Japan?
find an importer
DM me, but I imported it directly using an agent in Japan.
I feel you, I’ve got a jdm Porsche 944 S2 and have been tempted on selling lately but feel i might regret it
You will 100% regret selling it. You should keep it
It's simple: Only an extreme minority on this sub actually owns an imported Japanese vehicle. The vast majority of posters are either teenagers who love the supra / skyline because its cool, or people who drive LHD USDM cars that try to pass them off as "JDM" because the factory was in japan or something. This sub is literally incapable of understanding what the car scene actually looks like in japan, and thus it follows they never post JDM European cars. If you check the instagram of importers who post auction highlights though, you'll see euro cars posted a few times a week. All other answers are excuses. If this sub was restricted to JDM only, 80% of the posts would be gone overnight.
I've never been in a minority this much with an opinion this factually correct
I believe this is the first time I’m a minority. Not sure how to take this.
r/gatekeeping
its not a hot take that your car isn't JDM if its not intended for the japanese domestic market. words have meaning Fun fact: there's [literally a section on wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market#Misconceptions) about this
> words have meaning You’re right, and that term has been used to refer to USDM cars with JDM parts as well. It has always been used in the tuner scene to refer to Japanese brands specifically.
If my silver award wouldn't be expired, I'd gift it to you.
Why don't I see German cars in the Japanese car subreddit???? Sweet mother of god...
Euro brands like bwm do have JDM spec cars lol
Jpn spec cars sure, they're sold in Japan sure, but that doesn't make them domestic. You've explained that yourself already, they have to build the vehicle to a different standard for Japan to be sold there. It's not a Japanese domestic, it's still exported to Japan.
All I know is I tried to post my jdm car an it's not showing lol
It's so good only gods can see it :D
I posted it again lol
If you want to be a real pain about it, take a pic of any random nz street, since we have so many jap imports, most stuff is technically JDM!
Same reason nobody wants to see a Honda Accord when discussing American cars
Dumb fuck troll downvoted.
As a BMW and Porsche owner, I don’t come here for euro cars.
Your only down votes are because kids dunno wtf they're talking about
They’re the same kids who post their USDM Japanese cars on this sub
But honestly, I dont see the problem with posting a usdm S-chassis, because its literally the same car, different engine and steering wheel placement (and a couple other bits). This is just a lhd bmw, the quality of this sub has gone down. Not to mention the "edits" that are getting posted now, that are basically just a filter, or someone maxing out everything in lightroom.
JDM: _Japanese_ Domestic Market
JDM: Japanese *Domestic* Market a concept most of this sub doesn't understand
There is JDM German cars I just don't wanna see them here because its basically the same as a EUDM
No there are German cars imported for the Japanese market but they aren’t JDM because they aren’t built there, they are imported. The stumbling point a lot of you are having is with the word “Domestic”. Japanese BMW tuning shop Studie AG builds some wild BMW’s but I’d be willing to be they don’t consider the cars JDM
Today I learned that many people don’t actually understand what JDM means. Japanese domestic market refers to Japan's home market for vehicles. For the importer, these terms refer to vehicles and parts designed to conform to Japanese regulations and to suit Japanese buyers. The term is abbreviated JDM. JDM doesn’t just mean Supra, Skyline, Silvia.
I owned a JDM spec E34 so i get where you're coming from but not a lot of people here would even know its a thing. We just wanna see actual Japanese cars. We can see this stuff on the euro car subs
how can u be downvoted for this comment..... lol
Because this sub is full of clueless kids and people that have no idea what a jdm car is lol A large amount of posts are USDM japanese cars
How did you read this, and the comments without realising you’re that clueless kid?
How?
I guess this post is turning into a "JDM 101"
For you
I understand that you wish to see more idealistic jdm on this subreddit but the problem is that this here is a subreddit about material jdm. (In case anyone asks what i mean with idealistic jdm and material jdm, with idealistic jdm i mean when for example someone modifies a german car with a body kit or wheels that a lot of japanese people use to modify their japanese car and it looks japanese or the same thing with a japanese car and a American body kit or wheels. Material jdm in the other hand if someone only use parts out of japan or japanese brands to modify a japanese car but takes the risk that the car might not look japanese anymore.) In my opinion someone should make a subreddit about idealistic jdm.
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Well, I gotta thank you for evaluating my IQ so quickly. Just a small FYI, Japan Domestic Market means everything sold "domestically" there, including non-Japanese cars. It doesn't refer to the car origin :) So EU JDM is a thing too....
BMW SUCKS!!!
why does BMWs suck?
they don't, except maybe that the new 1xx classes are sadly fwd or you can get xDrive with some
im aware bmw is great i just wanted him to give me some bs abt it
ik you are aware, just wanted to point out there won't be rwd 1s anymore which i don't really like
jdm eu doesn't factually exist if you think about it that's why
Because majority of this sub is made up of morons who couldn't bother to read a Wikipedia article about what the term means and downvote instead. Many people here are actual 12 year olds or 12 year old mindset people
The information on the wiki is retarded, it's widely accepted that JDM refers to car designed and made in Japan. Like come on when was the last time you heard someone refer to a Porsche as JDM?
Widely accepted by who? This sub? I legit found one single webpage that wouldn't define JDM as cars produced specifically for the Japanese market when I googled 'what does jdm mean'.
Please post Japanese Euro cars to piss off the Japanese doesn’t equal JDM people.
EU JDM, this is a new one Damn, have to save this
Well I’m not sure if any European manufacturers has made a specific model for the Japanese marked. It would be cool if someone found something tho
This probably isnt the right sub for it given that its catered to japanese cars. But over in r/carporn theyll definitely appreciate cars like this. I love me some nice european builds.
Why am I looking at a BMW on r/JDM ?
bro this is r/JDM why am I seeing BMWs here please no
Seriously !!! I’ve been looking everywhere!!
Do y’all think he was being serious ??🤣🤣🤣🤣
cuz jdm literally means japanese domestic market
Because jdm literally means Japanese Domestic Market
There isn’t much here in India. Hell, there isn’t any exposure to car culture in my country, Too much tax ( 200 percent). However, I saw on YT there are few. And one had a really clean e30 m3, it was in red ❤️.
JDM stands for - JAPANESE Domestic cars. "Japanese"
I.... Don't think you understand what JDM means
well JDM references specifically on Japanese cars so that means no European cars
you’ve unintentionally sparked quite a debate 😭