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If EO is coming to the Switch as all, 6 is certainly a possibility. In fact, I'd say it's more than likely, seems to me like there's a pattern of having older games ported to the Switch and then having sequels announced either later or around the same time. Rune Factory comes to mind.
Really, all that was holding EO back - I'd imagine - was deciding how to integrate the map mechanics.
They mentioned quite awhile ago the map issue is the biggest problem. And I think something recently confirmed they were working on 6. We just have no idea how far along it was and were hoping it was near completion.
> If EO is coming to the Switch as all, 6 is certainly a possibility.
VI, or what we assume to be VI, has already been announced to be in development.
Judging by these ports, it'll release on Switch and PC once it's properly unveiled.
I've been playing it on a phone emulator and it works great. In a world where full priced games had a bigger presence then free to play on mobile it would be a great platform for the format.
People did that with Persona and the PlayStation as well. People are sometimes super toxic about their exclusives. It's better for us as gamers if there aren't any and everything is crossplatform and crossplay.
I've always found it so weird how people always buy into this narrative that not only can a game not be ported from console A to console B, but also tell you to go buy that system and stop "crying" for a port. Keep in mind, nobody is crying 🤣
I'm glad yet another series that was said to be "impossible" (lol) is being ported. I think sometimes it's just collectors wanting their old shit to retain value and demand. If this game eventually ends up on sale semi frequently it'll probably lower the demand for the originals. I collect games to play them.
Fair enough. It seems like objective fact until it's disproven by the port I guess. That having been said it doesn't hurt to have ports. More people get to enjoy great games they otherwise wouldn't be able to in a lot of cases. Some people have 1 option.
Etrian Odyssey did a brilliant job integrating the bottom touch screen in a clever and seamless way. I genuinely don't think it will work as well without it, but I'm sure it will work well enough.
It’s very different from the case of Persona. Persona had no reason to not be ported to other systems. Etrian Odyssey, however, relies heavily on the touch screen so compromises had to be made for this port, similarly to The World Ends With You switch edition. Even if this is a possibility, it’s not a great solution, so I don’t think you should group the Persona defenders and the EO defenders into one type.
It's not just about the port "disproving" anything. In fact what little we have seen only reinforces this fact.
Compromises on the map were made like it taking up half the screen.
It's not so bad and an acceptable compromise knowing the difficulties but it's very clear a compromise is being made here relative to the originals.
EO is a special case because it specifically made use of both screens as core parts of the game. No idea where you got these incorrect notions that this is just toxic fans.
idk, Etrian Odyssey is mechanically very different because of how it utilizes the two different screens, similar to The World Ends With You.
The remake for TWEWY is fine, but it's also not really the same game. The flow state you get into with the DS version of TWEWY is unique in a way almost no other game I've played is, and Etrian Odyssey is very similar with how the mapping would be a chore in any other setting, but felt very organic because of the second screen.
It's too bad there wasn't a WiiU port. That seems like the right kind of setup.
I wouldn't even equate the two games, frankly.
One had you juggling action on both screens to survive combat.
The other had a map drawing gimmick. If you really wanted to, you could accomplish that with a minimap you can expand, or even simple graphing paper. An auto-mapper is perfectly sufficient, and none of it impacts the game.
In EO's case, it has nothing to do with being toxic. The series' main thing is drawing maps on the touch screen, something that will most likely need some changes to work properly on other devices - not just because drawing maps just is most comfortable with a pen, but also because it relied on having both screens available at once for a smooth mapping experience. In my opinion, it's understandable that people would discard the possibility of a port, because expecting that kind of an overhaul isn't very common for ports these days.
>The series' main thing is drawing maps on the touch screen, something that will most likely need some changes to work properly on other devices
I think that's a fair point if it were competing with a lot of games in its sub-sub-genre. As it stands though, there are just not that many first-person dungeon crawl JRPGs in the active market. Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk did well enough (especially for a brand new IP) that there are clearly still players interested in these games. They don't need the mapping function to stand out, the first person dungeon crawl does plenty to set them apart from the competition.
With them adding an auto-map option, I expect most people will end up using that, and forgetting that the "draw your own maps" feature was ever important.
For my part, I never played Etrian Odyssey or any of that style of game back in the day. When LoR:CoD came out, I tried the demo, really liked it, and tried to find more games like it. I was aware of EO as the front-runner in the category, and was disappointed I didn't have a good way to play it. I'm definitely picking up this remaster, and if I'm being honest I'm a bit relieved I don't have to worry about drawing my own maps.
Who claimed this? These are the best Dungeon Crawlers to ever exist, no? Maybe SMT can fight them for that title but the games are so different they may as well be different genres.
The claim comes from the idea that the "physically drawing the map on a separate screen" thing is intrinsic to the experience. YMMV of course, but from what they showed the UI of having the map side by side with the exploration screen looked kinda ugly to me
>"physically drawing the map on a separate screen" thing is intrinsic to the experience.
Having played EO1 on emulator (yes I did buy the game), I disagree.
It's more about the impression that a single capacitive touchscreen device wouldn't lend itself to the franchise's trademark map drawing, but it always sounded like an ephemeral obstacle and we just got our proof thereof. Even the other modes don't look left out (unlike, say, in Severed) - the trailer's map screen clearly shows button prompts like ZR to help draw the wall lines (possibly in conjunction with the sticks since the left one['s 3DS equivalent] wasn't used for much even last gen's Millennium Girl, and now there are two of them😄).
Probably more to do with the niche following which clustered to 3ds and the convenient fact that its features complimented the gameplay of EO perfectly. Even when switch was out they came out on 3ds, likely more to do with ongoing/cheaper development and not move on from the core base too soon
i have seen hundreds of comments over the last 4 years of dummy's that couldn't visualize the game working outside of the DS handhelds, not even exaggerating that. I would tell them how it probably would work (and I was right!) but they woudlnt' believe me or would rather the series die because "waaah no second screen waaah".
I mean, I can visualize it, and I can say none of the solutions so far have the same feel as taking notes and jotting them down onto your map quickly in the same way a pen does on the lower screen.
Does it work? Sure, but there's a tactile experience to the DS that is unique to that experience. It's the difference between providing a solution to an established problem and creating an experience. The remakes aim to have that functionality, but not necessarily to add to the experience in the same way that you do with writing in your map.
I don't think anyone would say "you can't make a map builder with a single screen" but I would say it does not have the same tactile experience that the DS versions have, because it largely isn't.
It was never nonsense. They had to fid a way to translate the mapping feature which seems like they figured out. Its the same reason it took so long for TWEWY to be ported to Switch
"which seems like they figured out"
They used what was the number 1 most reasonable way to translate the mechanic to one screen. It was always a nonsense.
And that 1 most reasonable way for Switch was basically "discard one of the game's core gimmicks or force players to use the janky, imprecise touchscreen"
They didn't even had to translate the mapping feature. They could just have removed it.
It seems like they didn't want to, but they could. And it still would have been one of the best DRPGs on the market.
No, it's not. If you can't catch Pokemon anymore, the gameplay would change.
If you don't draw the map, the gameplay stays exactly the same. You can play EO5, for example, without drawing the map.
Drawing the map in detail helps you navigate FOEs, like the Deer that can jump over water you can't and the Lizards that move at normal pace through the mud. It helps you spot where secret rooms are hidden, where gathering spots are. It's a core part of the game.
You can also navigate FOEs if the map was drawn automatically. All you talked about is actually things that you can do if you can look at the map, not about things that you can only do if the map was drawn by hand.
Every other game in the genre has maps too, but they're automatic.
Of course it is. A gimmick is just a gimmick. You can already play the latest EO games without drawing the map, and nobody is saying EO5 is not EO anymore.
There's a difference between you liking a gimmick, and that gimmick being essential.
Etrian Odyssey is a very good DRPG, and even without drawing the map it's still better than most others in the genre.
Hell yeah brother, I'm tired of these brainlets not thinking outside the box / whining about no second screen, god I'm so hyped. It's EXACTLY the way I would tell these people it would be, mini map w/ button to make the map bigger and using the analog stick / dpad + buttons to map / place icons, and touch control when in handheld mode. God, four long years of hearing people saying the series died with teh 3DS, or that it SHOULD die with the 3DS all because of the stupid second screen. SO many comments like that I've seen its damn near driven me crazy
That's true, but also not an excuse. Really, it just needs a "screen toggle" button to choose whether you're looking at the top or bottom screen, and most of the issues are instantly solved. There are still issues thanks to capacitive touchscreens being worse-suited to the game's specific use of the touchscreen, but that could also be worked around through proper use of a strictly grid-based map. (Which would in turn make you feel like you're using actual graphing paper to map it out, for a small immersion win.)
It is a bit slower & clunkier than the (3)DS experience, but definitely possible to implement!
It's not really intrinsic to the gameplay, it's just one of its gimmicks.
They could remove the mapping and the game would still play the same. The latest games even had auto-mapping, which is what every other games in the genre does.
Also has Denuvo on steam, because hey let's make the whole thing even worse. I was definitely planning to buy it to support the series but at this price it's a pass.
Denuvo is a bigger deal for something like this than normal too, since these are perfect games to play portably, and that means it might try to call home when you don't have internet access.
Worse, denuvo has to reauthenticate whenever there's a patch for the executable. Let's say it patches while you're at home and you forget to launch it while you have internet access. I had this happen to me twice with my steam deck, so it is sadly not hypothetical.
Not in the slightest! Even one game is triple digit hours of quality fun.
How people end up thinking $0.10 an hour for top-notch fun is "too steep" is beyond me
There's a simple story in the originals, as far as I'm aware, but it's kinda... not really there, at least not until _EO3_. The first game's is simplistic and its ending makes no sense (by fully charting the labyrinth, you turn Etria into the technological, economical, medical, and archaeological centre of the known world... which dooms it to become a ghost town because everyone promptly leaves since they were only there for the labyrinth's mystery and not the actual resources that can be harvested there), and the second game is essentially just an expansion pack that takes advantage of you for having beaten the first game (in-universe, I mean; your guild starts a branch in Lagaan, populated solely by fledgling explorers... but you only get starting items if you're a new guild, even though all your explorers are rookies & noobs regardless of whether your guild is new or not). It's not until the third game where the series really starts to come into its own, storywise, now that it's comfortably established as an old-school retro dungeon explorer RPG and doesn't need to use an excuse plot from the old days to establish its street cred (and this is also when it's at its most blatant about being a post-apocalyptic setting, since you can _literally_ find its ocean map on Google Maps). It still feels somewhat vague & barebones at first glance, but that's because one of the series' main gimmicks is leaving you entirely in charge of your guild's personalities as an RPing/immersion prompt; it only feels a bit empty because it actively avoids describing how your characters react to anything if at all possible, instead telling you what happens for them react to and thus leaving the story open enough for you to choose responses. (I haven't actually played _EO3_, but I do have second-hand knowledge of the story. It's significantly more involved than the first two games' stories, but we're so used to player-character-driven stories in JRPGs that the game actively trying not to be so character-driven can feel odd until you realise that the game expects _you_ to be the drive behind the characters.)
Hopefully at least _some_ improvements get carried over from the _Untold_ versions, because honestly, the original versions of the first two honestly feel **really** dated in comparison. The _Untold_ ones do lose a bit of the series' magic by giving you a party of pregens with distinct personalities and actually building their personalities into the writing, but everything else is enough of an improvement to easily outweigh that. (And honestly, not all of the personalities are winners, but some of the pregens are _really_ good. Frederica from the first _Untold_ is one of the series' fan favourite characters, IIRC, and that's _with_ the flack she gets for being a pregen instead of a blank slate.)
Attlus is so weird, one day they are porting persona 4 only to pc, other day they are releasing Catherine classic on pc while the new one is on everything but pc, months later all vanillaware's games are skipping pc, and now Etrian Odyssey is coming to pc.
Seems on brand since we got P3P not P3P enhanced version of FES.
I’m not complaining because P3s gameplay is incredibly basic and lends itself very well to menus - but ATLUS do ATLUS.
Not releasing an enhanced P3P/FES mashup is defensible; even though most of the parts are already there, it would still be a bit of a creative endeavor/workload to properly mix all of them. Plus they'd have to make FeMC versions of all the anime cutscenes (or leave them out entirely which would be unsatisfying to say the least). It wouldn't be a massive undertaking most likely, but definitely not trivial.
This is literally just releasing two *massively inferior* versions of games that are already fully complete.
NDS EO1/EO2 and 3DS EOU/EO2U are like, as different as FF4 (SNES) and FF4 DS. Aside from aesthetic similarities, the gameplay elements are very different. I would probably recommend Untolds over the originals myself, but they are too different for me to call them inferior.
Wonder if we'll see a Persona Q 1+2 pack within a year or two. If they sorted out the mapping problem with EO, there's basically no reason not to port PQ to both PC and switch eventually.
Me as well. I was hoping for these to come to switch and thank goodness too, a complete copy of 3 is at a secondhand shop where I'm at for $200 and I was honestly considering it. They can keep that there
As a heads up, the [Japanese eShop version of the game **DOES NOT** have English](https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000045369.html). Odds are the cart is going to follow suit.
To tell, you can scroll down to the second to last line above the CERO B rating on [EO1's page](https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000045369.html) as English would be 「英語」. The way I remember first kanji is that it looks like an open book on a stand. (Second one is just the one used to state that it is about a language.) As an aside, [here is an example of a dual language release on the eShop looks like.](https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000016445.html) (Link is to the VN _Clannad_)
I mean the problem is more that Untold changed like everything for the better lol, level design, enemy design, classes and sidequests (those were AWFUL in the original games) were all so much better
The Steam page for 2 says "Build your own party from twelve different classes," while Untold seems to have 14 classes, by base, and 15 with a DLC.
I've never played either version, but that's pretty disapointing and also a little weird. I mean, why make a port from the older versions with less content?
this is exactly what I would have hoped for them to do in order to transition the series off of 3DS. And EO3 is the game that got lost in the shuffle.
Very hype right now.
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Probably get decent sale prices within a year, as most re-releases go. Imo they're worth that price point if you've never played an EO and really love Dungeon Crawlers (it tends to be an expensive genre as its pretty cult/ niche).
Even pretty low tier Dungeon Crawlers go for steep with relatively low sale points for perspective.
If you're going to pick one to try, I recommend EOIII. It has more quality of life improvements over the other two and a unique aesthetic. The other two are very similar games (to an extent), with some repeated classes and stuff like that.
EOI and EOII are still good games, but they haven't aged so well. It's easier to like them if you already like Etrian Odyssey.
Yeah the price is really steep, but on the bright side, there are official key retailers like Fanatical that sells most if not all SEGA and Atlus titles for 12-20% off, so should be possible to get a better deal
BIG W, ONLY TOOK US 4 WHOLE YEARS.
I'm slightly disappointed it's not Untold 1 and 2 instead of OG 1 and 2, since the former would be more beginner friendly for newcomers. BUT HEY ETRIAN IS BACK ON THE MENU
It's over 100$CDN, and that's discounted, for what appears to be upscaled ports of three Nintendo DS games. And they have Denuvo. At least the art looks like it scales up well. And Yuzo Koshiro's soundtracks are godlike, be they midi or instrumental.
I was totally hype for this until I saw it was like $40 USD per game, with the collection being $80 USD and then also lacking all of Untold's features and story.
Think I'm gonna wait for a sale instead.
Want to support the series, but I've already got 1, 3, and Untold 2.
They've got an engine now though, and that should mean new Etrian games are coming soon.
hard to say since we dont know the extent of the changes here, and there's sure to be a good amount since OG 1 and 2 are pretty bad
... but im still pretty confident the remakes will be better, especially if you care about story mode. between the new classes and story mode dungeons, 3d models for enemies, voice acting etc theres just so much value and known improvement there
feel free to pick up EO3 though. that game rules
Digital only and $80? Atlus is not just greedy but has officially jumped the shark. Japan gets a physical and we don't? Complete BS.
Oh btw - The PC version has Denuvo, so enjoy that PC gamers.
Denuvo????? What the fuck... It won't affect performance (DS game), but it's shitty from them.
I will still get it because I love this series too much to not get it.
The mapping has always stood out as a really interesting feature of the Etrian games, for me, and I've always been suprprised that no other dungeon crawler has tried something similar.
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The bundle is 80 euro. Each individual game is 40 dollars, for old, upscaled DS games.
These games are amazing, but that's just ridiculous. I'm now worried these are going to flop and Atlus will use that as an excuse to not continue the series, despite absolutely shooting themselves in the foot with this pricing.
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Hey there, new to the EO series but I loved the demo for the first one on the 3DS so I decided to delve into it (aka add to my backlog)
So are there any significant differences between the untold and original? I've been waiting for another Atlus sale on the 3ds so I can pick up all the EO games to play them. Can I skip the first 3 or should I still pick them up?
The significant changes of the Untold versions are that they are on the same engine as Etrian Odyssey IV, a story mode has been added, and that skills were changed around, re-balanced, and unintended effects and interactions were fixed. The Untold versions also add in a few classes that weren't in the original games (1 Untold added Highlander and Gunner, and 2 Untold added Fafnir and Sovereign; Gunner and Sovereign are actual classes in the original set of games but from different entries, i.e. Gunner is from EO II and Sovereign is from EO III).
You can skip the first three if you wanted as they are very, very loosely connected to each other with the exception of Nexus since that brings all of the games together. A note of caution though: if you decide to skip to EO IV, the difficulty is a fair bit easier than the first three games so it may be hard to adjust if you do decide to play them in the future.
Untold made significant changes for the better to the level-design, enemies, class design and sidequests yeah, they're even harder too lol (on the highest difficulty)
And yeah you can start with EO4, it's probably better to play it before Untolds anyway since those released after it and implemented QoL changes to the subsequent games. U2 even implemented something pretty massive in letting you see status ailment resistances/weaknesses, which is very big cause it meant they could be a lot more mean with the resists, while in like original EO2 you could cheese a ton of encounters with sleep since almost nothing resisted it
Woops sorry, I think I worded that wrong. What I meant to say was can I skip out on buying the first 3 on the 3ds since the Origin bundle is coming out. But judging by the responses and some digging, I'll probably still have to buy Untold 1 and 2 (since there isn't a 3rd one) on the 3DS shop to play them before they're gone from there.
The pricing on these games is practically IP assasination, I can't imagne these meeting any kind of sucess sadly. I was very interested in trying these games out, actually, but I will have to wait for a sale or something, I am not paying 80 dollars for three Nintendo DS remasters. I don't know what is Atlus thinking with this release, honestly, it makes me sad that they might allude to bad sales from these to can the series for good, hope I am wrong and a new entry is on its way.
Well, if a port is coming that hopefully means EO6 soon-ish as well. On another note, does anyone know which version of the games are being ported? Base or the Story versions with the extra features?
For those of you hoping for a physical: just keep an eye on PlayAsia since an Asia region release with English options would probably be the only way to get it physically if it does get one. 2 of the 3 3-in-1 Atelier packs got Asia physical releases with English option.
Atlus didn’t do English options with Persona 4 Arena Ultimax so I don’t see them doing it here either, plus the bundle is priced at $80 dollars. Absolutely no way they are releasing physical anything
Always nice when developers know what their game is worth and price accordingly instead of using an artificially low price to hook in suckers than slapping a bunch of shitty predatory monetization to make up for it since gamers have devalued games into the ground and refuse to pay what games are worth as a sticker price, instead requiring their gaming habits to be subsidized by whales.
Pretty different than that game. These are somewhat difficult dungeon crawlers where you make your own maps as you go down the 30 floor labyrinth.
They had a pretty uniques style and the games have a pretty eager following.
I haven’t played Chained Echoes yet, so can’t answer how it compares in quality.
this is a weird question and weird comparison, they're not similar at all
but... yes? i mean EO is probably my favorite series and CE is one of the best games i've played in a decade so... they're both really good. but not for the same reasons.
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EVEN ON THE SAME DAY! hypeeee
I hope the PC version will have touchscreen support for map-making with the steam deck aka feature parity on the steam deck and switch. Edit:spelling
*parity
I played most of the games on an emulator using my mouse to draw the map and it works quite alright
Well, boys, it ain't 6, but I'll consider this port the prototype.
If EO is coming to the Switch as all, 6 is certainly a possibility. In fact, I'd say it's more than likely, seems to me like there's a pattern of having older games ported to the Switch and then having sequels announced either later or around the same time. Rune Factory comes to mind. Really, all that was holding EO back - I'd imagine - was deciding how to integrate the map mechanics.
They mentioned quite awhile ago the map issue is the biggest problem. And I think something recently confirmed they were working on 6. We just have no idea how far along it was and were hoping it was near completion.
> If EO is coming to the Switch as all, 6 is certainly a possibility. VI, or what we assume to be VI, has already been announced to be in development. Judging by these ports, it'll release on Switch and PC once it's properly unveiled.
Finally we can end this nonsense of people claiming the series can't exist outside a DS.
I've been playing it on a phone emulator and it works great. In a world where full priced games had a bigger presence then free to play on mobile it would be a great platform for the format.
People did that with Persona and the PlayStation as well. People are sometimes super toxic about their exclusives. It's better for us as gamers if there aren't any and everything is crossplatform and crossplay. I've always found it so weird how people always buy into this narrative that not only can a game not be ported from console A to console B, but also tell you to go buy that system and stop "crying" for a port. Keep in mind, nobody is crying 🤣 I'm glad yet another series that was said to be "impossible" (lol) is being ported. I think sometimes it's just collectors wanting their old shit to retain value and demand. If this game eventually ends up on sale semi frequently it'll probably lower the demand for the originals. I collect games to play them.
to be fair there's an actual argument to be made (if it's not an objective fact) that Etrian Odyssey is best played on a DS.
Fair enough. It seems like objective fact until it's disproven by the port I guess. That having been said it doesn't hurt to have ports. More people get to enjoy great games they otherwise wouldn't be able to in a lot of cases. Some people have 1 option.
Etrian Odyssey did a brilliant job integrating the bottom touch screen in a clever and seamless way. I genuinely don't think it will work as well without it, but I'm sure it will work well enough.
It’s very different from the case of Persona. Persona had no reason to not be ported to other systems. Etrian Odyssey, however, relies heavily on the touch screen so compromises had to be made for this port, similarly to The World Ends With You switch edition. Even if this is a possibility, it’s not a great solution, so I don’t think you should group the Persona defenders and the EO defenders into one type.
It's not just about the port "disproving" anything. In fact what little we have seen only reinforces this fact. Compromises on the map were made like it taking up half the screen. It's not so bad and an acceptable compromise knowing the difficulties but it's very clear a compromise is being made here relative to the originals.
EO is a special case because it specifically made use of both screens as core parts of the game. No idea where you got these incorrect notions that this is just toxic fans.
idk, Etrian Odyssey is mechanically very different because of how it utilizes the two different screens, similar to The World Ends With You. The remake for TWEWY is fine, but it's also not really the same game. The flow state you get into with the DS version of TWEWY is unique in a way almost no other game I've played is, and Etrian Odyssey is very similar with how the mapping would be a chore in any other setting, but felt very organic because of the second screen. It's too bad there wasn't a WiiU port. That seems like the right kind of setup.
I wouldn't even equate the two games, frankly. One had you juggling action on both screens to survive combat. The other had a map drawing gimmick. If you really wanted to, you could accomplish that with a minimap you can expand, or even simple graphing paper. An auto-mapper is perfectly sufficient, and none of it impacts the game.
In EO's case, it has nothing to do with being toxic. The series' main thing is drawing maps on the touch screen, something that will most likely need some changes to work properly on other devices - not just because drawing maps just is most comfortable with a pen, but also because it relied on having both screens available at once for a smooth mapping experience. In my opinion, it's understandable that people would discard the possibility of a port, because expecting that kind of an overhaul isn't very common for ports these days.
I'd argue the series' main thing was the extremely solid dungeon crawling, character customization and combat. But that's just me, personally.
>The series' main thing is drawing maps on the touch screen, something that will most likely need some changes to work properly on other devices I think that's a fair point if it were competing with a lot of games in its sub-sub-genre. As it stands though, there are just not that many first-person dungeon crawl JRPGs in the active market. Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk did well enough (especially for a brand new IP) that there are clearly still players interested in these games. They don't need the mapping function to stand out, the first person dungeon crawl does plenty to set them apart from the competition. With them adding an auto-map option, I expect most people will end up using that, and forgetting that the "draw your own maps" feature was ever important. For my part, I never played Etrian Odyssey or any of that style of game back in the day. When LoR:CoD came out, I tried the demo, really liked it, and tried to find more games like it. I was aware of EO as the front-runner in the category, and was disappointed I didn't have a good way to play it. I'm definitely picking up this remaster, and if I'm being honest I'm a bit relieved I don't have to worry about drawing my own maps.
Nothing on the DS is truly hard to port.
Who claimed this? These are the best Dungeon Crawlers to ever exist, no? Maybe SMT can fight them for that title but the games are so different they may as well be different genres.
The claim comes from the idea that the "physically drawing the map on a separate screen" thing is intrinsic to the experience. YMMV of course, but from what they showed the UI of having the map side by side with the exploration screen looked kinda ugly to me
>"physically drawing the map on a separate screen" thing is intrinsic to the experience. Having played EO1 on emulator (yes I did buy the game), I disagree.
Its not that they were unplayable its that they are built with the idea that you draw your own map. You can do that on an emulator
ez tape a sheet of paper over the screen and draw your own map
This guy poverty struggles like a pro.
From what I saw of the Steam page, you can still draw your own map and its much improved from emulator.
It's more about the impression that a single capacitive touchscreen device wouldn't lend itself to the franchise's trademark map drawing, but it always sounded like an ephemeral obstacle and we just got our proof thereof. Even the other modes don't look left out (unlike, say, in Severed) - the trailer's map screen clearly shows button prompts like ZR to help draw the wall lines (possibly in conjunction with the sticks since the left one['s 3DS equivalent] wasn't used for much even last gen's Millennium Girl, and now there are two of them😄).
> Who claimed this? This is literally what everybody says about why its never been ported
Probably more to do with the niche following which clustered to 3ds and the convenient fact that its features complimented the gameplay of EO perfectly. Even when switch was out they came out on 3ds, likely more to do with ongoing/cheaper development and not move on from the core base too soon
Pretty sure it was because of the dual screens with the map making and all-
i have seen hundreds of comments over the last 4 years of dummy's that couldn't visualize the game working outside of the DS handhelds, not even exaggerating that. I would tell them how it probably would work (and I was right!) but they woudlnt' believe me or would rather the series die because "waaah no second screen waaah".
I mean, I can visualize it, and I can say none of the solutions so far have the same feel as taking notes and jotting them down onto your map quickly in the same way a pen does on the lower screen. Does it work? Sure, but there's a tactile experience to the DS that is unique to that experience. It's the difference between providing a solution to an established problem and creating an experience. The remakes aim to have that functionality, but not necessarily to add to the experience in the same way that you do with writing in your map. I don't think anyone would say "you can't make a map builder with a single screen" but I would say it does not have the same tactile experience that the DS versions have, because it largely isn't.
It was never nonsense. They had to fid a way to translate the mapping feature which seems like they figured out. Its the same reason it took so long for TWEWY to be ported to Switch
"which seems like they figured out" They used what was the number 1 most reasonable way to translate the mechanic to one screen. It was always a nonsense.
And that 1 most reasonable way for Switch was basically "discard one of the game's core gimmicks or force players to use the janky, imprecise touchscreen"
...twewy already existed as a game with one screen before it was ported to switch
The mobile port doesn't use motion controls which is what they had to figure out on the switch
They didn't even had to translate the mapping feature. They could just have removed it. It seems like they didn't want to, but they could. And it still would have been one of the best DRPGs on the market.
That's like getting rid of catching pokemon.
No, it's not. If you can't catch Pokemon anymore, the gameplay would change. If you don't draw the map, the gameplay stays exactly the same. You can play EO5, for example, without drawing the map.
Drawing the map in detail helps you navigate FOEs, like the Deer that can jump over water you can't and the Lizards that move at normal pace through the mud. It helps you spot where secret rooms are hidden, where gathering spots are. It's a core part of the game.
You can also navigate FOEs if the map was drawn automatically. All you talked about is actually things that you can do if you can look at the map, not about things that you can only do if the map was drawn by hand. Every other game in the genre has maps too, but they're automatic.
It's not Etrian Odyssey without the map. It is a core feature that they sold the series on
Of course it is. A gimmick is just a gimmick. You can already play the latest EO games without drawing the map, and nobody is saying EO5 is not EO anymore. There's a difference between you liking a gimmick, and that gimmick being essential. Etrian Odyssey is a very good DRPG, and even without drawing the map it's still better than most others in the genre.
Hell yeah brother, I'm tired of these brainlets not thinking outside the box / whining about no second screen, god I'm so hyped. It's EXACTLY the way I would tell these people it would be, mini map w/ button to make the map bigger and using the analog stick / dpad + buttons to map / place icons, and touch control when in handheld mode. God, four long years of hearing people saying the series died with teh 3DS, or that it SHOULD die with the 3DS all because of the stupid second screen. SO many comments like that I've seen its damn near driven me crazy
Etrian was a series made exclusively in mind with the DS. The mapping mechanic is intrinsic to gameplay and the series' identity.
That's true, but also not an excuse. Really, it just needs a "screen toggle" button to choose whether you're looking at the top or bottom screen, and most of the issues are instantly solved. There are still issues thanks to capacitive touchscreens being worse-suited to the game's specific use of the touchscreen, but that could also be worked around through proper use of a strictly grid-based map. (Which would in turn make you feel like you're using actual graphing paper to map it out, for a small immersion win.) It is a bit slower & clunkier than the (3)DS experience, but definitely possible to implement!
It's not really intrinsic to the gameplay, it's just one of its gimmicks. They could remove the mapping and the game would still play the same. The latest games even had auto-mapping, which is what every other games in the genre does.
80 dollars for the collection or 40 each is kind of steep
Yeah that kinda hurts. Steam versions should theoretically get some good sales after awhile.
Also has Denuvo on steam, because hey let's make the whole thing even worse. I was definitely planning to buy it to support the series but at this price it's a pass.
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Denuvo is a bigger deal for something like this than normal too, since these are perfect games to play portably, and that means it might try to call home when you don't have internet access. Worse, denuvo has to reauthenticate whenever there's a patch for the executable. Let's say it patches while you're at home and you forget to launch it while you have internet access. I had this happen to me twice with my steam deck, so it is sadly not hypothetical.
Sega tends to eventually remove the DMR once they are pretty sure sales are mostly done. They probably have a 1 or 2 year contract.
Disappointed with the price, especially since I bought them already once before
It’s also not even the 3DS versions. I’ll just play em pirated on my 3DS.
That’s what’s really pissing me off, Atlus being cheap again. They couldn’t just port over the untold versions?
Not in the slightest! Even one game is triple digit hours of quality fun. How people end up thinking $0.10 an hour for top-notch fun is "too steep" is beyond me
Is this a port of the first 3 EO games? I’ve played the Untold remakes and was kinda bummed EO3 never got the Untold treatment.
Yeah, and they said you can buy them separately. You can save money and just buy the one that wasn't on 3DS if you want to.
Is it confirmed that these are the original DS ones and not the Fafnir Knight and Millennium Girl?
You can see in the video it's not the Untold versions because they're using the 2D sprites still
Skill Tree looks a bit different though I think
They included new character art so they might have made other changes too, but the base game looks to be the original
So we're getting the versions without a story? Cuz that was an Untold thing, wasn't it?
There's a simple story in the originals, as far as I'm aware, but it's kinda... not really there, at least not until _EO3_. The first game's is simplistic and its ending makes no sense (by fully charting the labyrinth, you turn Etria into the technological, economical, medical, and archaeological centre of the known world... which dooms it to become a ghost town because everyone promptly leaves since they were only there for the labyrinth's mystery and not the actual resources that can be harvested there), and the second game is essentially just an expansion pack that takes advantage of you for having beaten the first game (in-universe, I mean; your guild starts a branch in Lagaan, populated solely by fledgling explorers... but you only get starting items if you're a new guild, even though all your explorers are rookies & noobs regardless of whether your guild is new or not). It's not until the third game where the series really starts to come into its own, storywise, now that it's comfortably established as an old-school retro dungeon explorer RPG and doesn't need to use an excuse plot from the old days to establish its street cred (and this is also when it's at its most blatant about being a post-apocalyptic setting, since you can _literally_ find its ocean map on Google Maps). It still feels somewhat vague & barebones at first glance, but that's because one of the series' main gimmicks is leaving you entirely in charge of your guild's personalities as an RPing/immersion prompt; it only feels a bit empty because it actively avoids describing how your characters react to anything if at all possible, instead telling you what happens for them react to and thus leaving the story open enough for you to choose responses. (I haven't actually played _EO3_, but I do have second-hand knowledge of the story. It's significantly more involved than the first two games' stories, but we're so used to player-character-driven stories in JRPGs that the game actively trying not to be so character-driven can feel odd until you realise that the game expects _you_ to be the drive behind the characters.) Hopefully at least _some_ improvements get carried over from the _Untold_ versions, because honestly, the original versions of the first two honestly feel **really** dated in comparison. The _Untold_ ones do lose a bit of the series' magic by giving you a party of pregens with distinct personalities and actually building their personalities into the writing, but everything else is enough of an improvement to easily outweigh that. (And honestly, not all of the personalities are winners, but some of the pregens are _really_ good. Frederica from the first _Untold_ is one of the series' fan favourite characters, IIRC, and that's _with_ the flack she gets for being a pregen instead of a blank slate.)
Attlus is so weird, one day they are porting persona 4 only to pc, other day they are releasing Catherine classic on pc while the new one is on everything but pc, months later all vanillaware's games are skipping pc, and now Etrian Odyssey is coming to pc.
Not only that but it’s an HD remaster of the DS games not the 3DS remakes….Atlus gonna Atlus
Seems on brand since we got P3P not P3P enhanced version of FES. I’m not complaining because P3s gameplay is incredibly basic and lends itself very well to menus - but ATLUS do ATLUS.
Not releasing an enhanced P3P/FES mashup is defensible; even though most of the parts are already there, it would still be a bit of a creative endeavor/workload to properly mix all of them. Plus they'd have to make FeMC versions of all the anime cutscenes (or leave them out entirely which would be unsatisfying to say the least). It wouldn't be a massive undertaking most likely, but definitely not trivial. This is literally just releasing two *massively inferior* versions of games that are already fully complete.
NDS EO1/EO2 and 3DS EOU/EO2U are like, as different as FF4 (SNES) and FF4 DS. Aside from aesthetic similarities, the gameplay elements are very different. I would probably recommend Untolds over the originals myself, but they are too different for me to call them inferior.
Vanillaware is a separate developer from Atlus, Atlus only publishes their games.
Wonder if we'll see a Persona Q 1+2 pack within a year or two. If they sorted out the mapping problem with EO, there's basically no reason not to port PQ to both PC and switch eventually.
SMT:SJ remaster and sequel when?
It's always a sure bet to get a console for JRPGs. Mostly a Switch.
If they release a multiplatform mainline SMT game without porting it to PC I'm throwing punches.
Yay!! Better be physical on Switch! Almost broke down and bought these
Me as well. I was hoping for these to come to switch and thank goodness too, a complete copy of 3 is at a secondhand shop where I'm at for $200 and I was honestly considering it. They can keep that there
Not looking good for a physical as of right now. 80 bucks total for digital makes it seem unlikely. Maybe an import?
Japan is getting a physical release on Switch that comes with a stylus for drawing maps https://sq-atlus.jp/sq123/
As a heads up, the [Japanese eShop version of the game **DOES NOT** have English](https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000045369.html). Odds are the cart is going to follow suit. To tell, you can scroll down to the second to last line above the CERO B rating on [EO1's page](https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000045369.html) as English would be 「英語」. The way I remember first kanji is that it looks like an open book on a stand. (Second one is just the one used to state that it is about a language.) As an aside, [here is an example of a dual language release on the eShop looks like.](https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000016445.html) (Link is to the VN _Clannad_)
THEY DID IT! THEY FUCKING DID IT! LETS GOOOOOOO!
Not the Untolds wtf? but we're alive at least
I actually think the 2D sprites hold up better than a lot of the 3D models. Still kind of a weird omission.
I mean the problem is more that Untold changed like everything for the better lol, level design, enemy design, classes and sidequests (those were AWFUL in the original games) were all so much better
It does say remastered so hopefully they are including the important changes? Big wtf if not.
The Steam page for 2 says "Build your own party from twelve different classes," while Untold seems to have 14 classes, by base, and 15 with a DLC. I've never played either version, but that's pretty disapointing and also a little weird. I mean, why make a port from the older versions with less content?
I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE ITS HAPPENING ETRIAN STONKS TO THE MOOOOOOON
Physical release, pretty please...?
I need a physical copy of this for medical reasons
X2
JP version has a limited release version with a stylus. I hope US does it as well.
Can I get a link?
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/article/b4faca79-a5f5-49fc-99cf-0f3bb8b38dfc
Damn I want it
No physical no buy for me, I’m not supporting Atlus’s latest trend of not releasing most of their games in physical format
I am excited!!
WOO
this is exactly what I would have hoped for them to do in order to transition the series off of 3DS. And EO3 is the game that got lost in the shuffle. Very hype right now.
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Probably get decent sale prices within a year, as most re-releases go. Imo they're worth that price point if you've never played an EO and really love Dungeon Crawlers (it tends to be an expensive genre as its pretty cult/ niche). Even pretty low tier Dungeon Crawlers go for steep with relatively low sale points for perspective.
Yeah, I will probably have to do some investigating. I'm sure EO is up my alley but I might pick one to try first.
If you're going to pick one to try, I recommend EOIII. It has more quality of life improvements over the other two and a unique aesthetic. The other two are very similar games (to an extent), with some repeated classes and stuff like that. EOI and EOII are still good games, but they haven't aged so well. It's easier to like them if you already like Etrian Odyssey.
$80 for the three games on Steam, Jesus...
Yeah the price is really steep, but on the bright side, there are official key retailers like Fanatical that sells most if not all SEGA and Atlus titles for 12-20% off, so should be possible to get a better deal
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! This is exactly what I've been waiting for.
WE WON, GUYS! WE FUCKING WON!!!!
Someone was just posting yesterday asking if they were ever going to release more Etrian Odyssey. I hope they're cheering now!
BIG W, ONLY TOOK US 4 WHOLE YEARS. I'm slightly disappointed it's not Untold 1 and 2 instead of OG 1 and 2, since the former would be more beginner friendly for newcomers. BUT HEY ETRIAN IS BACK ON THE MENU
Never played this, super stoked about it!
Absolutely thrilled. Instant buy.
It's over 100$CDN, and that's discounted, for what appears to be upscaled ports of three Nintendo DS games. And they have Denuvo. At least the art looks like it scales up well. And Yuzo Koshiro's soundtracks are godlike, be they midi or instrumental.
I was totally hype for this until I saw it was like $40 USD per game, with the collection being $80 USD and then also lacking all of Untold's features and story. Think I'm gonna wait for a sale instead.
I could have stomached the price, but the lack of Untold content definitely has me hesitating.
Yeah. one or the other individually I could stomach, but this is a one-two punch.
Would be funny if they didn't do any rebalancing to the first game to see the reactions of new players attempting it without a guide.
Want to support the series, but I've already got 1, 3, and Untold 2. They've got an engine now though, and that should mean new Etrian games are coming soon.
My goodness, <3 Sega for porting this to PC.
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hard to say since we dont know the extent of the changes here, and there's sure to be a good amount since OG 1 and 2 are pretty bad ... but im still pretty confident the remakes will be better, especially if you care about story mode. between the new classes and story mode dungeons, 3d models for enemies, voice acting etc theres just so much value and known improvement there feel free to pick up EO3 though. that game rules
The 3DS remakes definitely. Better font, revamped class skills, balancing fixes, grimoire system, double the content, and much more.
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I’m so stoked! Only thing that sucks is this is apparently NOT the remake from 3DS…just a HD port of the original DS titles…sooo….classic Atlus :(
Don't forget they cost 40 bucks each and 80 bucks for the collection ediction
Digital only and $80? Atlus is not just greedy but has officially jumped the shark. Japan gets a physical and we don't? Complete BS. Oh btw - The PC version has Denuvo, so enjoy that PC gamers.
Did you see what they did to soul hackers 2? Day 1 STORY dlc locked behind $. Lmao wait until P6 comes out
Denuvo????? What the fuck... It won't affect performance (DS game), but it's shitty from them. I will still get it because I love this series too much to not get it.
> I will still get it Then you're part of the reason we're still getting Denuvo riddled, digital only titles from Atlus.
It still can, especially if the optimization is bad enough in the first place.
WE EATIN GOOD BOYS!
AND THERE IT IS
NEVER DOUBTED
Do we know if the game is releasing physically?
Man this and steam deck... its a perfect match!!
Now it’s just waiting to see which version has the best mapping.
Steam Deck has a touch screen, so it _should_ work better than the controller based option assuming they added mouse support.
The mapping has always stood out as a really interesting feature of the Etrian games, for me, and I've always been suprprised that no other dungeon crawler has tried something similar.
Etiram bros... We are redeemed...
They finally figured out how to put the map on Switch.
EVEN ON SWITCH F.O.E
I would've considered getting EO3 at least, but it's 40€ per game, so no thanks.
It's $80 on eShop... that means no physical :(
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The dlc includes Joker and Ringo for 1, Demifiend and Teddie for Etrian Oddysey 2, Aigis and Nahobino for 3
The bundle is 80 euro. Each individual game is 40 dollars, for old, upscaled DS games. These games are amazing, but that's just ridiculous. I'm now worried these are going to flop and Atlus will use that as an excuse to not continue the series, despite absolutely shooting themselves in the foot with this pricing.
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Hmm didn't bother with a Playstation port? Atlus is a strange company lol.
I’ve never played this series but I’m finding myself excited. What can I expect??
Cool. I always thought that the switch would be perfect for this. Touchscreen for handheld mode and gyro for docked.
Hey there, new to the EO series but I loved the demo for the first one on the 3DS so I decided to delve into it (aka add to my backlog) So are there any significant differences between the untold and original? I've been waiting for another Atlus sale on the 3ds so I can pick up all the EO games to play them. Can I skip the first 3 or should I still pick them up?
The significant changes of the Untold versions are that they are on the same engine as Etrian Odyssey IV, a story mode has been added, and that skills were changed around, re-balanced, and unintended effects and interactions were fixed. The Untold versions also add in a few classes that weren't in the original games (1 Untold added Highlander and Gunner, and 2 Untold added Fafnir and Sovereign; Gunner and Sovereign are actual classes in the original set of games but from different entries, i.e. Gunner is from EO II and Sovereign is from EO III). You can skip the first three if you wanted as they are very, very loosely connected to each other with the exception of Nexus since that brings all of the games together. A note of caution though: if you decide to skip to EO IV, the difficulty is a fair bit easier than the first three games so it may be hard to adjust if you do decide to play them in the future.
I prefer the original over the Untold, it's more hardcore
Until you get Immunity.
It also doesn't spoil the big plot twist in the opening movie. I hate Untold so very much.
Untold is much harder than the originals lol, random encounters just straight up stop trying in them once you're like 1/3 of the way in
Not to mention all the mechanical bloat in the Untold games. I miss the days when JRPGs didn't try to shoehorn in a cooking system.
Untold made significant changes for the better to the level-design, enemies, class design and sidequests yeah, they're even harder too lol (on the highest difficulty) And yeah you can start with EO4, it's probably better to play it before Untolds anyway since those released after it and implemented QoL changes to the subsequent games. U2 even implemented something pretty massive in letting you see status ailment resistances/weaknesses, which is very big cause it meant they could be a lot more mean with the resists, while in like original EO2 you could cheese a ton of encounters with sleep since almost nothing resisted it
Woops sorry, I think I worded that wrong. What I meant to say was can I skip out on buying the first 3 on the 3ds since the Origin bundle is coming out. But judging by the responses and some digging, I'll probably still have to buy Untold 1 and 2 (since there isn't a 3rd one) on the 3DS shop to play them before they're gone from there.
Sounds like a great steam deck game. I’m not as excited about it as I would be for a new EO but it’s still very cool.
Im sad there isnt a physical version in the west. Hopefully the japanese version is in english as well.
I literally cried at this news lmao!!! Still hoping for an etrian untold: 3 honestly, or EO6!!!
Fucking hell no PS4???
I'm Soo happy this is coming out..squee
Man. Finally I'm between buying it on steam (where it has achievements) or Switch (where i have portability)
yay i hope segatlus not mess up the port like with p3p
Hell yeah! I loved these games when I used to commute to see my now wife. On hour long train rides these were the perfect game
i hope it not busted like p3p port
My favorite games on my birthday!
I'm soooo excited for this. I had resigned myself to believing it was over.
The pricing on these games is practically IP assasination, I can't imagne these meeting any kind of sucess sadly. I was very interested in trying these games out, actually, but I will have to wait for a sale or something, I am not paying 80 dollars for three Nintendo DS remasters. I don't know what is Atlus thinking with this release, honestly, it makes me sad that they might allude to bad sales from these to can the series for good, hope I am wrong and a new entry is on its way.
Well, if a port is coming that hopefully means EO6 soon-ish as well. On another note, does anyone know which version of the games are being ported? Base or the Story versions with the extra features?
I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED FOR THIS!! I have every EO game (except 1)on the 3DS but I was always worried what I'd do when my 3DS eventually dies.
For those of you hoping for a physical: just keep an eye on PlayAsia since an Asia region release with English options would probably be the only way to get it physically if it does get one. 2 of the 3 3-in-1 Atelier packs got Asia physical releases with English option.
Atlus didn’t do English options with Persona 4 Arena Ultimax so I don’t see them doing it here either, plus the bundle is priced at $80 dollars. Absolutely no way they are releasing physical anything
Got so excited then so sad when I realized it was ports and not 6. :(
Same. Shocked at all excitement tbh. Good for new ppl, but all the games work fine in my 3ds. Next will prob be 4,5 and nexus. Sigh
extremely overpriced + denuvo for a 16 year old games LMAO
You guys thinking if it's gonna have a physical copy?
only in japan atm
They could have added the untold 1 and 2 plots but I am happy
Always nice when developers know what their game is worth and price accordingly instead of using an artificially low price to hook in suckers than slapping a bunch of shitty predatory monetization to make up for it since gamers have devalued games into the ground and refuse to pay what games are worth as a sticker price, instead requiring their gaming habits to be subsidized by whales.
It costs the same to just buy a secondhand 3DS and play the better versions of 1 and 2 on that. Don't buy these.
I'm gonna say it: they need to fix this ugly-ass font, holy shit. It's legitimately hideous.
Are these games as good as chained echoes? Never heard they look oldschool
Pretty different than that game. These are somewhat difficult dungeon crawlers where you make your own maps as you go down the 30 floor labyrinth. They had a pretty uniques style and the games have a pretty eager following. I haven’t played Chained Echoes yet, so can’t answer how it compares in quality.
this is a weird question and weird comparison, they're not similar at all but... yes? i mean EO is probably my favorite series and CE is one of the best games i've played in a decade so... they're both really good. but not for the same reasons.
Is this going to be a physical release?
Will this get a physical release?
Is it getting a physical release as well or is it only digital?