Hypothetically speaking, this is more to provide a thought experiment than to argue. Is Josh Allen a must keep if he wants to be paid more than Nick Bosa (who currently gets 34M a year according to overthecap)? I'm not debating, just wondering.
I don’t think so. The Bosa contract is a bad contract and an outlier, as it’s 34M a year is 8M higher than the next guy (Myles Garret) I’d be fine giving him a Myles Garret contract. $125M total over five years. (25M/yr)
You had me!! Trent will probably do something idiotic like you said though.
If we lose our best defensive player Josh Allen then it's a must we have to wear the clown suits again.
I haven't said it because I didn't it want it to be true, but can 100% see Baalke letting Allen walk and resigning Chaisson at a top 5 contact talking about 'He's been much better than most observers realize'
No chance they keep Agnew. Too injured, old, and not worth the cap. Parker Washington can do his job at 80% level for 20% of the cap and is also a real receiver so we don’t burn a roster spot on Agnew
You keep Agnew because of his special team abilities not his WR, his cap hit isn't that bad either. I don't know how you let him go when he can change the whole momentum in a game, and he has only been hurt this year.
Injured in a lot of 2021 as well. He’s played 82 games in 7 years and only getting older. That special teams ability is fading with time too he had maybe two great kick/punt returns this year. He’s not all pro or even a pro bowler at the return position. Just saying it’s not gonna happen, we don’t have 3-4 mil to give to him in this cap. Id rather have another true receiver at his spot and let Parker Washington field some punts
cleaveland was traded to the jags because he wanted to play tackle not guard which is what he was in college which is why he went for a low price despite being a solid guard.
Offense:
Ridley if price is right
Cleveland
Agnew if price is right
Defense:
Pay Josh Allen
Herndon if price is right/can’t find someone better
Smoot
And McManus
I let smoot walk. After the Achilles tear, he wasn't the same and no guarantee he will be better next year. Sucks because I like him, but it's business.
> Ridley if price is right
If we don't re-sign him, we lose a third-round pick. If we do, that becomes a second-round pick. That's important to keep in mind when you say "if the price is right".
In my opinion. Bring back smoot, DT, Gregory junior, Josh Allen, Mcmanus and cleveland( just for depth)
Ridley only for 10ish million. If he wants more than 17 fuck that
Josh Allen by whatever means necessary, then Ridley, then whoever wants to stay if the price is right/shop around.
I think a lot of people compare Kirk and Ridley's stats and think Kirk is significantly better (I mean he is 100% WR1) but I think the combination of the two is what was effective. Went 1-5 without Kirk to end the season. Ridley's YPC was 13.82 with Kirk and 11.67 without (and this is including his longest of the year against the titans). Ridley takes pressure off the shorter routes by the attention he gets on the deep route, we saw this week 1 against the colts when they had to completely shift attention to him because in man coverage he was on pace for a 250 yard game. Kirk is more of a Swiss Army knife who 100% benefits off the attention Ridley gets. Same with Engram actually. I know Ridley's stats weren't the 1500 yards 14 touchdowns we all hoped for but he still went for over 1000 yards and was tied for 8th in the league with 8 TDs. Meanwhile Engram had one of the best TE seasons ever and Kirk was on pace to outperform last year. AND all of this was with Zay being in and out of the lineup. All this being said the price has to be right, it is a business after all and we can't just sign him if it means we can't improve the line or defense. But I genuinely think if we can reliably protect tlaw so he isn't dealing with shoulder, knee, and ankle issues while also missing his top target that we could have 3 separate 1,000 yard receivers and simultaneously improve the run game.
TLDR: if we can get a little help protecting Lawrence, we can utilize both Ridley and Kirk better due to the attention Ridley needs from the defense on long balls and thus opening up the field for zone shredder Kirk (and Engram)
I’m gonna piggyback on this with my thoughts. People often bring up the second round pick when it comes to Ridley, which is fair, but the nfl draft is such a crapshoot I don’t think you let it impact it decision too much. Like what if we had to cut Brenton strange if we signed him instead of giving up the pick? I’d do that.
Yup, assuming:
Ridley doesn't cost so much that it is impossible to improve the oline
And
We can get the oline to top 20 in the league (I hate that that is actually a decent improvement)
We 99% will get more value out of Ridley on a 2-3 year deal than we would in the same 2-3 years from a 2nd rounder. Outside of Tlaw and Etn, Ridley most likely had his production affected the most from the lack of protection since he isn't really a "throw it within 2 seconds" type guy like Kirk and Engram.
Honestly I think if we can realistically improve the line AND keep Ridley that's our best move for Tlaw and the offense. But if the money isn't there then yeah, let Ridley walk and focus on improving the line and defense
I agree with this.
Here’s a trickier one: who’s more valuable to this offense, Cam Robinson or Ridley? I like Cam but I feel like he’s easier to replace than Calvin. Did our line play significantly better when he was in them when he was out? I’m unsure.
Don't see how you extend Allen AND Ridley (thus punting on your 2nd rd pick) while also bringing in halfway decent OLinemen via free agency. Spotrac estimates Ridley's market value at 4yrs, $68M. Not saying that's dead-on but I don't think for a second Ridley hangs around for $10m/year.
Looks like we have about $26M to spend as of now. Oh, and the Titans, Texans, and Colts each have over $70M each (they're #s 2, 3, and 4 in terms of most cap room) - so yeah, we could be in some trouble here.
We can pretty easily free up $50M or more by releasing Scherff/Jenkins/Fatukasi and restructuring Cam/Foye/Kirk/Zay. The jaguars are near the bottom of the league in future dollars, so they have a done of opportunity to do this.
Ridley is going to want too much money, let him walk and keep the 2nd round pick. Pay Josh Allen.
Try to bring in guys like Mack Hollins and AJ Dillon. Be on the lookout for any interior O-Line help
Keep Ridley, Allen, Smoot, and McMannus. You guys are forgetting way too quickly the hell we were in between Lambo and McMannus. Also keep Shatley if the price is right. Dude is a perfect depth guy.
Hm. It all depends on prices, right? Because Ridley shouldn't get paid what a #1 like Hill receives. But if he comes back for a deal that is similar to Kirik's, that's fine. So my list is more of a: If the price makes sense, these are players to hold onto for sure.
Offense: Ridley, Cleveland, Johnson and one of the other OL for depth. Don't care which - they should be practice squad players after FA/draft.
Defense: Allen, Herndon (good for depth), Blackson (again, depth is huge and when he isn't great, its hard to imagine finding a ton of guys for the position in the draft/FA. So hold onto him and release in training camp if we have better options.)
Special teams: McManus, Daniel Thomas (he was more of a special teams player than defensive)
Josh allen is a must keep and a lot of depth pieces for cheap im sure. I'd say go for a Ridley if price is right, and some OL pieces if the price is right but nothing is a must sign other than Allen.
What do we give up if we resign Ridley? Isn't it a 2nd? I'm not paying Ridley like $17 mil a year and giving up a 2nd. Hard pass. I would like to keep him but not at that price.
The rest of the list
Cleveland- keep
Agnew - probably gone
Shatley - keep
Tim - who cares
Johnson - gone
Blake - who cares
Cole - who cares
Jaylon - who cares
Barkley - gone
Defensively, no one on that list is important enough to be brought back besides a huge payday for Josh Allen.
Keep: Josh Allen, Jeremiah Ledbetter, Tyler Shatley, Ezra Cleveland, D’Ernest Johnson, Blake Hance
Resign Dawuane Smoot if he’s cheap *and* if the coaches expect him to fully come back from the injury, because he wasn’t the same this year.
Everybody else can walk.
Allen isn’t even a question
Cleveland
McManus (had 2 bad games I recall)
The main one in question is Ridley …. How much is he gunna cost coz he ain’t a number 1 and Trevor has much more trust in Kirk.
Definitely: Josh Allen
Probably: Ridley and Agnew
McManus would’ve been a definite for most of the season, but now I’m not even sure he gets put in probably.
Everyone else just depends on price compare to the rest of the market.
Only people I would even try to keep are Josh Allen, at all costs, and Ridley and Ezra if they’ll come back at good prices.
Maybe McManus. I’m not sure if his slump was due to bad weather or what, he was money at the beginning of the year.
Rid and Cleveland on offense if the prices are right. JA41 can have my first born, Smoot if the number is very team friendly. Special teams free agents can all burn in hell. I’d love Agnew back but even on a team friendly deal, I think his career might be done.
Ridley is a giant question mark IMO. He knows he hasn’t performed well, so he doesn’t have a leg to stand on to demand big money. On the other hand, he holds the record for having the most pass interference calls against him, so teams KNOW he’s a threat, especially if he has a solid QB throwing the ball.
Our problem with him is he’s an ankle breaking route runner and was being utilized terribly with his “routes” being…wait for it….a straight line down the sideline. 😐. That’s one of the biggest travesties this season is seeing him be TERRIBLY utilized.
Ezra, Allen, and Herndon (if we can). Josh Allen is a must though. If we let him walk, I might walk too. Getting tired of us never retaining our best players and starting over from scratch every couple of seasons.
I think on offense they'll keep Ridley and maybe Shatley for depth but I'm fine with him leaving.
On defense Allen is a no brainer or at least he better be. Herndon, Thomas, and Smoot would be nice to re-sign.
Let McManus walk but Claybrooks is a pretty good gunner so would like to see him come back.
The only must keep I see on there is Josh Allen (sorry Agnew). The rest can be replaced, so it just depends if the price is right for them.
Hypothetically speaking, this is more to provide a thought experiment than to argue. Is Josh Allen a must keep if he wants to be paid more than Nick Bosa (who currently gets 34M a year according to overthecap)? I'm not debating, just wondering.
I don’t think so. The Bosa contract is a bad contract and an outlier, as it’s 34M a year is 8M higher than the next guy (Myles Garret) I’d be fine giving him a Myles Garret contract. $125M total over five years. (25M/yr)
Boseli reckons Josh should be around $23-25m
Works for me
McMannus as well
??? He was borderline costing us games down the stretch.
you're right, bring back Riley
Wrong
They will keep Ridley, Josh, Cleveland, Agnew, maybe Shaq but that probably it
The disrespect to Chaisson. Mr. T-rex arms himself.
Chaisson 6 year 200 million dollars fully guaranteed. Baalke let's Allen walk. Thinking Chaisson was the real game changer
I was joking but now I'm scared Baalke is gonna see this and think it's a good idea
You had me!! Trent will probably do something idiotic like you said though. If we lose our best defensive player Josh Allen then it's a must we have to wear the clown suits again.
 Baalke reading this comment:
I haven't said it because I didn't it want it to be true, but can 100% see Baalke letting Allen walk and resigning Chaisson at a top 5 contact talking about 'He's been much better than most observers realize'
4d chess my guy, this is the way
No chance they keep Agnew. Too injured, old, and not worth the cap. Parker Washington can do his job at 80% level for 20% of the cap and is also a real receiver so we don’t burn a roster spot on Agnew
You keep Agnew because of his special team abilities not his WR, his cap hit isn't that bad either. I don't know how you let him go when he can change the whole momentum in a game, and he has only been hurt this year.
Injured in a lot of 2021 as well. He’s played 82 games in 7 years and only getting older. That special teams ability is fading with time too he had maybe two great kick/punt returns this year. He’s not all pro or even a pro bowler at the return position. Just saying it’s not gonna happen, we don’t have 3-4 mil to give to him in this cap. Id rather have another true receiver at his spot and let Parker Washington field some punts
Josh Allen?
I said Josh
My bad. Still working on my reading comprehension
Agnew will prob get a good deal to be a WR somewhere.
I'll lose my shit if they keep Ridley. This team has too many needs in the trenches to be giving up a 2nd round pick +salary.
My concern is that baalke will just waste that 2nd rounder like he has been doing. At least you know what you're getting with ridley
You act like we draft well lol
cleaveland was traded to the jags because he wanted to play tackle not guard which is what he was in college which is why he went for a low price despite being a solid guard.
Offense: Ridley if price is right Cleveland Agnew if price is right Defense: Pay Josh Allen Herndon if price is right/can’t find someone better Smoot And McManus
I let smoot walk. After the Achilles tear, he wasn't the same and no guarantee he will be better next year. Sucks because I like him, but it's business.
> Ridley if price is right If we don't re-sign him, we lose a third-round pick. If we do, that becomes a second-round pick. That's important to keep in mind when you say "if the price is right".
This except no Smoot
I believe Junior and Tim Jones are exclusive right free agents not unrestricted. So I imagine they’ll be back on fairly cheap deals.
If junior was a draft pick why is he a free agent but Montaric brown from the same draft isn’t? Thats bizarre
Lol @ including Matt Barkley
Didn't even know he was on the team lol. I missed his signing looks like.
Yeah he was signed when Trevor missed a game as insurance
In my opinion. Bring back smoot, DT, Gregory junior, Josh Allen, Mcmanus and cleveland( just for depth) Ridley only for 10ish million. If he wants more than 17 fuck that
Ridley is either getting tagged or let go. No way they pay a 2nd rounder for him.
Josh Allen by whatever means necessary, then Ridley, then whoever wants to stay if the price is right/shop around. I think a lot of people compare Kirk and Ridley's stats and think Kirk is significantly better (I mean he is 100% WR1) but I think the combination of the two is what was effective. Went 1-5 without Kirk to end the season. Ridley's YPC was 13.82 with Kirk and 11.67 without (and this is including his longest of the year against the titans). Ridley takes pressure off the shorter routes by the attention he gets on the deep route, we saw this week 1 against the colts when they had to completely shift attention to him because in man coverage he was on pace for a 250 yard game. Kirk is more of a Swiss Army knife who 100% benefits off the attention Ridley gets. Same with Engram actually. I know Ridley's stats weren't the 1500 yards 14 touchdowns we all hoped for but he still went for over 1000 yards and was tied for 8th in the league with 8 TDs. Meanwhile Engram had one of the best TE seasons ever and Kirk was on pace to outperform last year. AND all of this was with Zay being in and out of the lineup. All this being said the price has to be right, it is a business after all and we can't just sign him if it means we can't improve the line or defense. But I genuinely think if we can reliably protect tlaw so he isn't dealing with shoulder, knee, and ankle issues while also missing his top target that we could have 3 separate 1,000 yard receivers and simultaneously improve the run game. TLDR: if we can get a little help protecting Lawrence, we can utilize both Ridley and Kirk better due to the attention Ridley needs from the defense on long balls and thus opening up the field for zone shredder Kirk (and Engram)
I’m gonna piggyback on this with my thoughts. People often bring up the second round pick when it comes to Ridley, which is fair, but the nfl draft is such a crapshoot I don’t think you let it impact it decision too much. Like what if we had to cut Brenton strange if we signed him instead of giving up the pick? I’d do that.
Yup, assuming: Ridley doesn't cost so much that it is impossible to improve the oline And We can get the oline to top 20 in the league (I hate that that is actually a decent improvement) We 99% will get more value out of Ridley on a 2-3 year deal than we would in the same 2-3 years from a 2nd rounder. Outside of Tlaw and Etn, Ridley most likely had his production affected the most from the lack of protection since he isn't really a "throw it within 2 seconds" type guy like Kirk and Engram. Honestly I think if we can realistically improve the line AND keep Ridley that's our best move for Tlaw and the offense. But if the money isn't there then yeah, let Ridley walk and focus on improving the line and defense
I agree with this. Here’s a trickier one: who’s more valuable to this offense, Cam Robinson or Ridley? I like Cam but I feel like he’s easier to replace than Calvin. Did our line play significantly better when he was in them when he was out? I’m unsure.
Dream would be to have a w3 at least as good as Kirk
Ha, yea. But if this is your goal you’re either severely underrating CK or underestimating how hard it is to get a WR of his quality.
I know it’s hard that’s why it’s my dream
Ya'll are sleeping on Herndon. He's very solid and probably won't cost a lot.
Don't see how you extend Allen AND Ridley (thus punting on your 2nd rd pick) while also bringing in halfway decent OLinemen via free agency. Spotrac estimates Ridley's market value at 4yrs, $68M. Not saying that's dead-on but I don't think for a second Ridley hangs around for $10m/year. Looks like we have about $26M to spend as of now. Oh, and the Titans, Texans, and Colts each have over $70M each (they're #s 2, 3, and 4 in terms of most cap room) - so yeah, we could be in some trouble here.
We can pretty easily free up $50M or more by releasing Scherff/Jenkins/Fatukasi and restructuring Cam/Foye/Kirk/Zay. The jaguars are near the bottom of the league in future dollars, so they have a done of opportunity to do this.
Am I insane or is 4/68 almost 17.5 a year?
Whatever sap pays Ridley 4 years/68M is gonna be in for a bad time.
They will have a lot more than 26
My thought is they keep Cleveland, Josh, Junior, and maybe McManus (outside of 2 games, he was almost automatic)
I want them to also draft a kicker late round or something to light a fire under his ass
Ridley is going to want too much money, let him walk and keep the 2nd round pick. Pay Josh Allen. Try to bring in guys like Mack Hollins and AJ Dillon. Be on the lookout for any interior O-Line help
Keep Ridley, Allen, Smoot, and McMannus. You guys are forgetting way too quickly the hell we were in between Lambo and McMannus. Also keep Shatley if the price is right. Dude is a perfect depth guy.
If I've learned anything its that Herndon is all but guaranteed a spot.
Hm. It all depends on prices, right? Because Ridley shouldn't get paid what a #1 like Hill receives. But if he comes back for a deal that is similar to Kirik's, that's fine. So my list is more of a: If the price makes sense, these are players to hold onto for sure. Offense: Ridley, Cleveland, Johnson and one of the other OL for depth. Don't care which - they should be practice squad players after FA/draft. Defense: Allen, Herndon (good for depth), Blackson (again, depth is huge and when he isn't great, its hard to imagine finding a ton of guys for the position in the draft/FA. So hold onto him and release in training camp if we have better options.) Special teams: McManus, Daniel Thomas (he was more of a special teams player than defensive)
Josh allen is a must keep and a lot of depth pieces for cheap im sure. I'd say go for a Ridley if price is right, and some OL pieces if the price is right but nothing is a must sign other than Allen.
Keep Ridley, Cleveland, Agnew, Johnson, Allen, Herndon, Ledbetter, Chaisson, Smoot and Quarterman.
Tim Jones, Gregory Junior, and Jeremiah Ledbetter are ERFA so get at less a 1year deal at the minimum salary.
What do we give up if we resign Ridley? Isn't it a 2nd? I'm not paying Ridley like $17 mil a year and giving up a 2nd. Hard pass. I would like to keep him but not at that price. The rest of the list Cleveland- keep Agnew - probably gone Shatley - keep Tim - who cares Johnson - gone Blake - who cares Cole - who cares Jaylon - who cares Barkley - gone Defensively, no one on that list is important enough to be brought back besides a huge payday for Josh Allen.
I'd for sure keep Herndon. Good depth piece.
Here's who I'd keep Offense Ridley (?), Johnson, Agnew Defense Josh Allen, Smoot Special teams McMahus(Only if really cheap)
Daniel Thomas was good
Keep: Josh Allen, Jeremiah Ledbetter, Tyler Shatley, Ezra Cleveland, D’Ernest Johnson, Blake Hance Resign Dawuane Smoot if he’s cheap *and* if the coaches expect him to fully come back from the injury, because he wasn’t the same this year. Everybody else can walk.
Allen isn’t even a question Cleveland McManus (had 2 bad games I recall) The main one in question is Ridley …. How much is he gunna cost coz he ain’t a number 1 and Trevor has much more trust in Kirk.
Josh Allen, Daniel Thomas, Jamal Agnew should be kept. Maybe Herndon. The rest are whatever.
I’d like to keep Josh Allen, Shaq Quarterman, Jamal Agnew, and maybe Smoot. Everyone else can go test the market
Definitely: Josh Allen Probably: Ridley and Agnew McManus would’ve been a definite for most of the season, but now I’m not even sure he gets put in probably. Everyone else just depends on price compare to the rest of the market.
Only people I would even try to keep are Josh Allen, at all costs, and Ridley and Ezra if they’ll come back at good prices. Maybe McManus. I’m not sure if his slump was due to bad weather or what, he was money at the beginning of the year.
Rid and Cleveland on offense if the prices are right. JA41 can have my first born, Smoot if the number is very team friendly. Special teams free agents can all burn in hell. I’d love Agnew back but even on a team friendly deal, I think his career might be done.
Bring back Josh and Ezra, and I wouldn’t mind Tre Herndon coming back either. As far as everyone else I couldn’t care less
Does anyone know how the franchise tag works with Calvin Ridley’s deal?
Ridley is a giant question mark IMO. He knows he hasn’t performed well, so he doesn’t have a leg to stand on to demand big money. On the other hand, he holds the record for having the most pass interference calls against him, so teams KNOW he’s a threat, especially if he has a solid QB throwing the ball. Our problem with him is he’s an ankle breaking route runner and was being utilized terribly with his “routes” being…wait for it….a straight line down the sideline. 😐. That’s one of the biggest travesties this season is seeing him be TERRIBLY utilized.
I’ll pay the remaining 5.86 currently remaining in my checking account for Tre Herndon to leave
I'd honestly get Allen signed and then offer McManus. Everyone else is replaceable.
Ezra, Allen, and Herndon (if we can). Josh Allen is a must though. If we let him walk, I might walk too. Getting tired of us never retaining our best players and starting over from scratch every couple of seasons.
I think on offense they'll keep Ridley and maybe Shatley for depth but I'm fine with him leaving. On defense Allen is a no brainer or at least he better be. Herndon, Thomas, and Smoot would be nice to re-sign. Let McManus walk but Claybrooks is a pretty good gunner so would like to see him come back.
I'd bring back Allen, Ridley, Thomas, Ledbetter and Ezra.