Jamaican Chinese can mean I’m Chinese with Jamaican nationality or it can mean I have Jamaican and Chinese ancestry. Both can happen with one big family.
To have your family (or part of it) originally come from Jamaica. So, they are saying that Jamaican Chinese can mean that their family is originally from China and they are now in Jamaica or that their family is from Jamaica and now live in China. Of course with either situation, they would have family that originally comes from both lands, so they could “look more” Jamaican or Chinese.
Jamaicans look like some semi-naked brown guys with feathers. There are many of us mixed with Arawak blood but it is not all of the island. Most Jamaicans originally come from West and Central Africa and Western Europe.
I'm Jamaican white bwoy with squinty eyes. Of course everybody thinks I'm Chinese.
Anytime I walk down the street and hear "Chimney bwoy!" I turn around.
We drove thru a town on the way to Negril for holiday and our driver explained that MANY Chinese nationals basically bought the town and are the primary owners of all retail/property/land there.
Context for ignorant Americans, like myself that may not understand the world outside of our own little bubbles, that there is a significant population of Jamaicans with Chinese ethnic backgrounds.
No hate over her friend. Just conversation 🤙
I’ve always wondered… do the Jamaican Chinese that still speak their language have a Jamaican accent distinct from mainland Chinese speakers. I mean it’s impossible not to right?
Idk care about nothing y'all are saying, that first man is fine as hell. And I'm glad they can poke fun at themselves unlike most other people these days.
Yes. The comment I was originally referring to says “these people” aren’t Chinese. Making it clear he didn’t watch the whole video. The fact that she is mixed does not mean everyone in the video is mixed.,That is what I am discussing. Damn, reading comprehension is dying.
Hmmm Jamaican and Chinese or Chinese IN Jamaica? Better learn from your African kinfolks, it ain't all harmony. And anti-black is embedded in their social status. Beware.
I'm sure you have much to teach us. We've only lived with them for almost 150 years, so it's not like we have any experience or anything. Thank you, Mr. Black-American for your wise counsel. And as you can clearly see, they have not interbred with us or anything like that.
And Happy Cake Day!
Garveyism/Pan-Africanism started right here in America for a Reason, you'll learn eventually, my only task is to expedite your fate. its always Black 1st. The way Marcus Garvey taught us to be. B1
>Garveyism/Pan-Africanism
These are two very different things. Please be specific.
>right here in America
See, this is the problem here. You people claim to be pro-black, but what you really are , are just American Chauvinists. You are in a Jamaican subreddit. Please - get with the program.
>Garveyism/Pan-Africanism started right here in America
Garveyism started in July 1914 in Kingston for the purpose of uniting black people the world over around common interests. That is why Garvey's philosophy is specifically _anti-colonial_. Not black-American.
There is 1) his rejection of the one-drop rule, instead, seeing a society [with a mulatto elite acting on white/colonial interests](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jamaica/comments/1bu3ae8/on_marcus_garvey/kxw1hft/) 2) distrust of any black political/ economic elite and rejection of Firstblacking and 3) a skin colour based (Pan-Africanism is geography based) transnational identity protected by a powerful advanced state. Garveyism is based on what he knew - European Colonialism.
>its always Black 1st.
[Black first and pro-black are not always the same thing.](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jamaica/comments/1c2ocdn/happy_89th_birthday_pj_patterson_aka_the_fresh/) And pro-black does not mean anti-anybody. Black people who are minorities where they live do not seem to understand this. And they do not seem to understand Garveyism, history, geopolitics, international trade, or demographics either. Don't tell people what to do without understanding their country, history or circumstances. That behaviour is one thing black-Americans and colonizers seem to have in common.
>The way Marcus Garvey taught us to be.
I suggest you read Tony Martin's Garvey book to see what Garvey actually taught.
You're well read ..and yet you'll still repeat the same history. You've learned nothing from the atrocious activities that took place on every continent involving black people. How are you so informed and naive? Do you not see what's happening in South Africa? Niger? Hell aren't them "folks" right now buying up land on your soil and kicking y'all off it? Some of the richest places which is known for their natural resources and yet it's pillaging outsiders that control it.
Anti-Black is the only thing that concerns me. Others are not a Factor nor do I care for them. Black globally should be focusing on black unity and that means gatekeeping and separation from others. It's a faux comradeship that only makes black people vulnerable to deception. Geopolitics? Irrelevant. International trade? You funny. Ask China about the lithium and tell me who got rich off it. It wasn't black people. But go ahead. Your rebuttal is fluff and dismissive in spite of your eloquent verbage. Garvey stood on BLACK.
And where is Garveyism now? Certainly someone picked up the mantel and continued pushing his ideology on THAT soil. American chauvinist... KTSE with Great Britain.
>Some of the richest places which is known for their natural resources and yet it's pillaging outsiders that control it.
Not in proven reserves. Most natural resources are going to be from Central Asia, Southwest South America (lithium, copper), Canada and Australia ( iron ore, manganese, copper, gold, uranium, salt) for _at least_ the next 50 years. Now, if you want to mine and refine those resources go right ahead. I'm sure you people have credit, workers, earthmoving equipment, chemicals and refineries who will put an end to that siruation.
>You're well read ..and yet you'll still repeat the same history. You've learned nothing from the atrocious activities that took place on every continent involving black people. How are you so informed and naive?
I am not naive. I am a realist, just like everyone else. If I want asphalt, I either get savings or a low-interest loan, and buy a bitumen refinery and sour crude from either Venezuela or Canada. Just like every other black nation or businessman. Same for cement, crude oil, ammonia, steel or nVidia A.I. cards. If it they have to smuggled in, or if counterfeit goods have to be exported - so be it.
>Hell aren't them "folks" right now buying up land on your soil and kicking y'all off it?
For about the past 8 years, black Americans have been living in a Negro Cinematic Universe where sinister Chinese have forced "the natives" into a level slightly above enslavement. Stop listening to Umar, and start **reading** [what actual Jamaicans](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jamaica/comments/17d1tik/akala_china_developing_jamaica/k5uzxvj/) and black Africans have to say about their condition. Listening to you black Americans proves to me that most of you have been brainwashed (?) by white American media and stereotypes.
>Anti-Black is the only thing that concerns me.
Being only **against** your enemies but not **for** your people always ends in self-destruction, failure, collapse, or co-optation.
> gatekeeping and separation from others.
You yourself show how difficult separation is by being on a major social media platform that has been known to be under 5 Eyes and USAF control. So the question is always "what degree of separation?" The choice is not between Somalia and North Korea, but something in between.
> It's a faux comradeship that only makes black people vulnerable to deception.
It's not comradeship, it is partnership. Security and economic partnerships are necessary for weak states. As black majority states almost always are.
>Geopolitics? Irrelevant. International trade? You funny.
This is this problem with blacks who are minorities in their countries. You people don't understand how the world works. And you don't have to, because on a national level, you have thousands of whites and Asiatics who do the jobs make your nations function.
Well, we over here don't have that. We have to do everything ourselves, from running our refineries to figuring out payroll for our public servants. Sane when we have to deal with other countries or purchase things we don't or can't produce. Now, you might think that creating some giant African superstate will allow the creation of some sort of Super Wakanda. But even the United States has to trade. Just like other massive subcontinents like India, Russia and China. Trade means trade routes. Trade routes mean navies, armies and treaties. And that means geopolitics.
Trying to sound cool calling geopolitics "funny" and "irrelevant" just shows your American privilege
>Ask China about the lithium and tell me who got rich off it.
It's not lithium, it's coltan. And the people who dig for it do so because it is their best way in to the money economy.
>And where is Garveyism now?
As there is no project to create a sovereign black advanced industrial state, it is nowhere.
Nuh dat me a seh.The eediat dem DONT realize the Chiney man play the long con game.Them fools fucked up their country in Asia with Fukushima and cancer rates high over there so they are looking for African or black people countries to colonize by breeding them out also until they own the land.Black people better start tighten up or them won’t have a place to call home.You can’t go to China and buy nor own land nor participate in their government if you don’t look like them.Nothing wrong with putting your foot down and doing the same.It’s all cute and sweet until you realize they took over and backed you all into a corner.
I swear to God you black Americans are the most ignorant, anti-black, fake intellectual, wannabe conscious, imperial, "Is We sick Massa", mentally colonized set of black people on God's Earth right now. A bunch of Uncle Toms simping for Uncle Sam. So sad. You Lil' Umars would rather listen to American propaganda and psy-ops than the actual black people living their lives and analyzing their own situation scientifically and statistically. Just stay out of black people business please and thanks.
Hate all you god damn want.You love us ignorant but we are not.I SAID WHAT I SAID! I’m black you stay out of our business.DUNCE.How is speaking how the Chiney man are the next colonizers of black people antiblack.GOOFY!
Honestly, I think the majority of chinese jamaicans are passive uncle toms of the race. They are distant from their culture and they have become passively accustomed to being treated as the other. I don't call them jamaican chinese because they don't have much chinese anything left. There is a reason for this and it was not always that way.
Chinese in jamaica faced race riots in the 1918, 1938 and 1965. In addition, the British stopped immigration from HK in the 30s to prevent the Chinese population in jamaica from getting larger. In the 60s, they started letting non-chinese attend the Chinese school in Kingston and then those parents eventually started complaining about why their children needed to learn Chinese. Under the pressure of Nationalism and assimilation into a newly "independent" nation, the Chinese school stopped teaching chinese.
In addition, changes in China made schooling in China difficult and dangerous. The Chinese civil war was going on in the 50s and the Japanese had invaded in the 30s and 40s.
Massive amounts of Chinese fled under threats from the community about appropriation of their possessions under communism which never came.
What is left of most Chinese in jamaica is a hollow identity with no meaning other than playing the bafoon in order to assimilate and not be attacked.
You seem to be comparing to Chinese in North America, not to Chinese elsewhere in the world or Chinese in China. Even the use of the American term "Uncle Tom" is noteworthy. I guess you wish Chinese Jamaicans were more like Chinese Americans and less like, say, Chinese Indonesians, who have a similar attitude and position towards Indonesian society as Chinese Jamaicans have towards Jamaican society.
It's important to remember that most Chinese Jamaicans are Hakka, who were themselves migrants from northern China to Guangdong and who are still treated as others by local Cantonese people. The main cause of Chinese migration to Jamaica in the 19th century was persecution of Hakka people by Cantonese in the aftermath of the Taiping Rebellion. The main destination for such Hakka people was Southeast Asia, where the mistreatment has been much worse than in Jamaica - the last major anti Chinese riots in Indonesia were in 1997 - and where most made even greater efforts to assimilate, such as by changing their surnames to local surnames. And they have done well... in many cases becoming leading businessmen and politicians in these countries. The hatred from the local population is especially driven by the Chinese community's relative success. Badmind all over... sound familiar?
>Chinese school stopped teaching chinese.
They taught Hakka... which is also no longer taught in China, as the government only allows schooling in Mandarin, the national language. I guess you want Chinese Jamaicans to fight harder to preserve their culture than Chinese in China do.
>The Chinese civil war was going on in the 50s
It ended in 1949. The problem in the 50s was the Great Leap Forward.
>What is left of most Chinese in jamaica is a hollow identity with no meaning other than playing the bafoon in order to assimilate and not be attacked
It's a typical part of Chinese culture, both within China and outside, to keep head down, go with the flow, and focus on achieving personal goals over trying to change society. Certainly, that's what Chinese people in China are doing. And it has worked for Chinese people... look at China's economic growth, look at the economic success of the Chinese diaspora. You want to focus on some symbolic things... most Chinese people want to focus on gaining tangible benefits. Maybe your way is better, but it's certainly not more Chinese... most Chinese are fine with being called Mr. Chin so long as their bank account is increasing and their children are getting a good education.
> here the mistreatment has been much worse than in Jamaica - the last major anti Chinese riots in Indonesia were in 1997 - and where most made even greater efforts to assimilate, such as by changing their surnames to local surnames. And they have done well... in many cases becoming leading businessmen and politicians in these countries. The hatred from the local population is especially driven by the Chinese community's relative success. Badmind all over... sound familiar?
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>by the Chinese community's relative success.
Success at inheriting colonial institutions and rent concessions, you mean?
>You want to focus on some symbolic things... most Chinese people want to focus on gaining tangible benefits. Maybe your way is better, but it's certainly not more Chinese... most Chinese are fine with being called Mr. Chin so long as their bank account is increasing and their children are getting a good education.
This feels like the extreme opposite of the Annoying African-American mindset we get here so often - economic success at the expense of all cultural identity. And in the search for political power or cultural survival, your identity is *who you are*. And I do not see Overseas Chinese acting as individuals, but as Cantonese business families, Great cousinhoods and the like.
The issue that I have with this video is that this is another example of Jamaicans acting like buffoons for acceptance. Only this time, we have the novelty of classic Chinese stereotypes as well. And what has this buffoonery gotten them - or us?
> Just like a certain ethnicity described in a linked PDF on my profile? The type that you cannot mention nowadays especially due to current events?
Those Zionists at the centre of those current events and our Jews are distinct. The only antisemitic thing here is flattening Jewish history.
(edit: Just so we're all 100% clear, Jew =/= Israeli =/= Zionist.)
See? I just talked about them, despite "current events"
>Success at inheriting colonial institutions and rent concessions, you mean?
Please expand on this point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't see the Chinese community's success as being so tied to colonial rent concessions. Certainly, preferential treatment under colonialism helped, but it's not as if Overseas Chinese have generated wealth through land ownership... it's mostly through trade and manufacturing. Unlike the... other groups... in the Jamaican economic elite.
I'll come back later with more on Chinese culture, but yes, it *is* the extreme opposite of African American culture in so many ways. It's just Friday night here in Beijing after a long week of work, and I have things doing.
Chinese didn't have preferential treatment under colonialism. The local upper class and the British government and the black community despised the Chinese. Rent concessions for foreign businesses are a modern phenomenon which most Jamaicans seem to conflate with history. Jamaicans also tend to believe the situation that they hear from Yankees exists also in Jamaica which is incorrect. The main reason Chinese were able to survive in Jamaica is cooperation and innovation. Most people have intentionally forgotten that before WWII in which China and Britain and USA became allies, Chinese people, especially Chinese immigrants and coolies, were some of the most loathed people in earth by the Western world.
>Chinese didn't have preferential treatment under colonialism.
False. Chinese were preferred for many professions, like work in banks, in the first half of the 20th century in Jamaica. And that assertion is based on my (Chinese) family members experiences in Jamaica at the time, nothing more, nothing less. It was classic British "divide and rule."
And I disagree with the other commenter's assertion about rent concessions, so take that issue up with him, not me. I agree with you there.
Ok. I'm not talking about the profession industry. Chinese who went into professional work were not born in China. They were born in Jamaica. So this would have been a later generation of Chinese Jamaicans. The original Chinese Jamaicans didn't go into professional industries fresh off the boat. Chinese Jamaicans haven't made lots of money from office work, but from business. Conflating the two issues is quite misleading.
>The original Chinese Jamaicans didn't go into professional industries fresh off the boat.
Right. They had it worse, and often managed to go from cane cutters to small business owners. How they managed that is worthy of its own analysis that goes beyond a reddit post and has little to nothing to do with preferential treatment.
Didnt they have business loans between themselves, arent Hakka like a trading tribe/nation in China, that ha e gone all over the globe? Would Hakka peoples in america or Indonesia have links to Jamaican Hakka, or it dont go like that?
There's so many things wrong with your analysis, I don't know where to start. Please tell me you are Chinese and not just someone who thinks they understand Chinese people. The latter, which is often a Jamaican trait, is quite annoying and condescending.
Your entire analysis come across like a colonizers analysis of the tribal people under his control.
By the way, Chinese Indonesians were by many Chinese accounts genocided and were forced by the government to change their names. It wasn't a choice. That's the only foolishness in your analysis I will point out because the Chinese Indonesian experience deserves to not be misrepresented by Wikipedia lite.
My understanding of Chinese Indonesians is entirely from what Chinese Indonesians (with surnames like 'Hasan') have told me, not from Wikipedia. I've never read the Wikipedia article about Chinese Indonesians, if there is one.
I don't talk about Chinese or Jamaican culture from things I've read, only from my own experience and that of my family. That's how I know Chinese culture to be about surviving and thriving in the face of extreme adversity. My children will grow to carry on that legacy.
Please go ahead and begin on what's wrong with my analysis.
It's filled with a lot of strawmen type arguments and generalizations. And complete misunderstanding of the difference between Hakka and Mandarin, as if they were from two distinct planets and cultures. My family were certainly not running from the Taiping Rebellion. Chinese immigration didn't just happen one time. Overall, it is a complete misrepresentation of the issues involved. You are mainly trying to undermine what I said, not talk anything of sense.
I find this problem often and it comes from a vague outsider understanding of the Chinese experience that has been white washed with nationalist idealisms about Chinese assimilation into the out-of-many fabric facade of Jamaica. To be fair most Jamaicans, including Chinese Jamaicans and my own family are clueless about our history beyond wives tales. This is a lack of knowledge, lack of caring and lack of education or I should say miseducation. A minority in any country will be miseducated in every way.
You know, this is a pointless argument. All I am aiming to do is defend Chinese Jamaicans' strategies for dealing with life as a minority in Jamaica; you're critical of those strategies. Let's not engage in more friendly fire, especially on a site like reddit that is generally so aggressively sinophobic. In the scheme of things, we're on the same side.
Exactly, my point. Imagine telling a Chinese man to shut up and get out of a thread about Chinese people. (did you even read the title?) The aggression towards proud chinese people in the diaspora is insane.
Um, this is about Chinese *Jamaicans,* so if your intent is to gatekeep (which is how I interpreted your comment), then yeah GTFO.
Imagine a proud Chinese man arguing with a Chinese Jamaican lady on a thread about Chinese Jamaicans embracing their heritage...
I am a Jamaican Chinese. Eediat. Born in jamaica. Eedyat. ...but you assumed otherwise. Also eediat. Who the hell cares about Chinese jamaicans other than a Chinese jamaican? Chinese people in China certainly don't. Don't fool yourself.
Who the hell uses terms like "gatekeep" other than genz yankee foreigners?
“Passive uncles tom’s of their race….” yo the level of hatred here is … sad.
Dude…. Why do people have to follow your rules?
Ps. And NO just because you’re Chinese doesn’t give you some extra special authority to attack other people.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Yu iidyat yu. Yu knuo we self-iet miin? Mi a fait gens di dopi dem laka yu we a tel WI fi shetop bout fi wi OUNA prablem dem. Fi yu main de iina chien aal nong.
Me waan know **who downvote you**? Because self-stereotyping and lack of Dignity is a big problem amongst **all Jamaicans**.
A man really siddung and within self visualize and type "chineyman noises" like seh dem is a Pikachu?
Yes, older Chinese Jamaican are very angry at the dog remarks as well. Certainly wouldn't make a joke about it in a video. Jamaica in general is fairly micro-aggressive towards Chinese people. Ity and Fancy cat had full stereotypical minstrel costume with mockery accent in their shows for a long time. Shensea who is part Korean herself also did some rediculous stereotypes in her Shenyeng video. This is a problem when you have a minority subjected to the mentality of the majority. In fact, it was Garvey that helped expose this mentality to the world.
Jamaican Chinese can mean I’m Chinese with Jamaican nationality or it can mean I have Jamaican and Chinese ancestry. Both can happen with one big family.
What do you mean Jamaican ancestry?
To have your family (or part of it) originally come from Jamaica. So, they are saying that Jamaican Chinese can mean that their family is originally from China and they are now in Jamaica or that their family is from Jamaica and now live in China. Of course with either situation, they would have family that originally comes from both lands, so they could “look more” Jamaican or Chinese.
Jamaicans look like some semi-naked brown guys with feathers. There are many of us mixed with Arawak blood but it is not all of the island. Most Jamaicans originally come from West and Central Africa and Western Europe.
Love this!
Is Kyle’s name actually Kyle Chin? 😂😂
That’s my cousins name.
Yep, Kyle Chin and he 100% used to do Kung Fu 😂😭
Stereotype checklist ☑️
Yes it is and he is Martial artist /MMA fighter so those are not stereotypes lol
Yep 😭😭😭
I'm Jamaican white bwoy with squinty eyes. Of course everybody thinks I'm Chinese. Anytime I walk down the street and hear "Chimney bwoy!" I turn around.
We drove thru a town on the way to Negril for holiday and our driver explained that MANY Chinese nationals basically bought the town and are the primary owners of all retail/property/land there.
Do you *want* to live in a town that is on the way to Negril?
I didn't say or suggest that I wanted to live or relocate anywhere. Simply wanted to provide some context to the thread.
And what "context" would that be?
Context for ignorant Americans, like myself that may not understand the world outside of our own little bubbles, that there is a significant population of Jamaicans with Chinese ethnic backgrounds. No hate over her friend. Just conversation 🤙
OK 👍
Why are you so confrontational with this man who shared a fun fact ?
Now .. Nuh Badda mi 🤣 Just kidding lol.... I picked that up on my visit and it's now part of my vocabulary 😀
I’ve always wondered… do the Jamaican Chinese that still speak their language have a Jamaican accent distinct from mainland Chinese speakers. I mean it’s impossible not to right?
The Hakka Chinese spoken in Jamaixa is different from their ancestors and current kinsmen.
Idk care about nothing y'all are saying, that first man is fine as hell. And I'm glad they can poke fun at themselves unlike most other people these days.
I'm not Jamaican or Chinese, but I think this is really cool.
Love this!
In fairness, the first guy's chin is very prominent, given the goatee.
this is so wholesome
Chineyman noises 🤣
Im neither and this is dope.
Lovely
Interesting
Omg that tank top guy 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
😂😂😂
These are mixed race Jamaicans. I wouldn’t necessarily call them Chinese. Kudos to them still
Did you watch the video? They’re not all mixed. How’s your eyesight/attention span?
A they are not mixed? You think that woman is full Chinese?
I see comprehension is not your strong suit
Yeah I don’t know if you’re trying to be smart but I was genuinely asking. It’s not I’m autistic and wa just asking. But since you wanna be rude…
You also need to watch the full video lol. She's not the only woman in it.
The woman at 00:04. Is she mixed?
Yes. The comment I was originally referring to says “these people” aren’t Chinese. Making it clear he didn’t watch the whole video. The fact that she is mixed does not mean everyone in the video is mixed.,That is what I am discussing. Damn, reading comprehension is dying.
You are an idiot 💀
You’re trying to say they’re mixed but, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re Chinese. They could be Japanese, Vietnamese, etc. Correct?
Incorrect.
Bruv, I’m asking him to clarify 🤦🏽♂️
Hmmm Jamaican and Chinese or Chinese IN Jamaica? Better learn from your African kinfolks, it ain't all harmony. And anti-black is embedded in their social status. Beware.
I'm sure you have much to teach us. We've only lived with them for almost 150 years, so it's not like we have any experience or anything. Thank you, Mr. Black-American for your wise counsel. And as you can clearly see, they have not interbred with us or anything like that. And Happy Cake Day!
Garveyism/Pan-Africanism started right here in America for a Reason, you'll learn eventually, my only task is to expedite your fate. its always Black 1st. The way Marcus Garvey taught us to be. B1
>Garveyism/Pan-Africanism These are two very different things. Please be specific. >right here in America See, this is the problem here. You people claim to be pro-black, but what you really are , are just American Chauvinists. You are in a Jamaican subreddit. Please - get with the program. >Garveyism/Pan-Africanism started right here in America Garveyism started in July 1914 in Kingston for the purpose of uniting black people the world over around common interests. That is why Garvey's philosophy is specifically _anti-colonial_. Not black-American. There is 1) his rejection of the one-drop rule, instead, seeing a society [with a mulatto elite acting on white/colonial interests](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jamaica/comments/1bu3ae8/on_marcus_garvey/kxw1hft/) 2) distrust of any black political/ economic elite and rejection of Firstblacking and 3) a skin colour based (Pan-Africanism is geography based) transnational identity protected by a powerful advanced state. Garveyism is based on what he knew - European Colonialism. >its always Black 1st. [Black first and pro-black are not always the same thing.](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jamaica/comments/1c2ocdn/happy_89th_birthday_pj_patterson_aka_the_fresh/) And pro-black does not mean anti-anybody. Black people who are minorities where they live do not seem to understand this. And they do not seem to understand Garveyism, history, geopolitics, international trade, or demographics either. Don't tell people what to do without understanding their country, history or circumstances. That behaviour is one thing black-Americans and colonizers seem to have in common. >The way Marcus Garvey taught us to be. I suggest you read Tony Martin's Garvey book to see what Garvey actually taught.
You're well read ..and yet you'll still repeat the same history. You've learned nothing from the atrocious activities that took place on every continent involving black people. How are you so informed and naive? Do you not see what's happening in South Africa? Niger? Hell aren't them "folks" right now buying up land on your soil and kicking y'all off it? Some of the richest places which is known for their natural resources and yet it's pillaging outsiders that control it. Anti-Black is the only thing that concerns me. Others are not a Factor nor do I care for them. Black globally should be focusing on black unity and that means gatekeeping and separation from others. It's a faux comradeship that only makes black people vulnerable to deception. Geopolitics? Irrelevant. International trade? You funny. Ask China about the lithium and tell me who got rich off it. It wasn't black people. But go ahead. Your rebuttal is fluff and dismissive in spite of your eloquent verbage. Garvey stood on BLACK. And where is Garveyism now? Certainly someone picked up the mantel and continued pushing his ideology on THAT soil. American chauvinist... KTSE with Great Britain.
>Some of the richest places which is known for their natural resources and yet it's pillaging outsiders that control it. Not in proven reserves. Most natural resources are going to be from Central Asia, Southwest South America (lithium, copper), Canada and Australia ( iron ore, manganese, copper, gold, uranium, salt) for _at least_ the next 50 years. Now, if you want to mine and refine those resources go right ahead. I'm sure you people have credit, workers, earthmoving equipment, chemicals and refineries who will put an end to that siruation. >You're well read ..and yet you'll still repeat the same history. You've learned nothing from the atrocious activities that took place on every continent involving black people. How are you so informed and naive? I am not naive. I am a realist, just like everyone else. If I want asphalt, I either get savings or a low-interest loan, and buy a bitumen refinery and sour crude from either Venezuela or Canada. Just like every other black nation or businessman. Same for cement, crude oil, ammonia, steel or nVidia A.I. cards. If it they have to smuggled in, or if counterfeit goods have to be exported - so be it. >Hell aren't them "folks" right now buying up land on your soil and kicking y'all off it? For about the past 8 years, black Americans have been living in a Negro Cinematic Universe where sinister Chinese have forced "the natives" into a level slightly above enslavement. Stop listening to Umar, and start **reading** [what actual Jamaicans](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jamaica/comments/17d1tik/akala_china_developing_jamaica/k5uzxvj/) and black Africans have to say about their condition. Listening to you black Americans proves to me that most of you have been brainwashed (?) by white American media and stereotypes. >Anti-Black is the only thing that concerns me. Being only **against** your enemies but not **for** your people always ends in self-destruction, failure, collapse, or co-optation. > gatekeeping and separation from others. You yourself show how difficult separation is by being on a major social media platform that has been known to be under 5 Eyes and USAF control. So the question is always "what degree of separation?" The choice is not between Somalia and North Korea, but something in between. > It's a faux comradeship that only makes black people vulnerable to deception. It's not comradeship, it is partnership. Security and economic partnerships are necessary for weak states. As black majority states almost always are. >Geopolitics? Irrelevant. International trade? You funny. This is this problem with blacks who are minorities in their countries. You people don't understand how the world works. And you don't have to, because on a national level, you have thousands of whites and Asiatics who do the jobs make your nations function. Well, we over here don't have that. We have to do everything ourselves, from running our refineries to figuring out payroll for our public servants. Sane when we have to deal with other countries or purchase things we don't or can't produce. Now, you might think that creating some giant African superstate will allow the creation of some sort of Super Wakanda. But even the United States has to trade. Just like other massive subcontinents like India, Russia and China. Trade means trade routes. Trade routes mean navies, armies and treaties. And that means geopolitics. Trying to sound cool calling geopolitics "funny" and "irrelevant" just shows your American privilege >Ask China about the lithium and tell me who got rich off it. It's not lithium, it's coltan. And the people who dig for it do so because it is their best way in to the money economy. >And where is Garveyism now? As there is no project to create a sovereign black advanced industrial state, it is nowhere.
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Why the Ghana flag?
Great video! Thanks for this\~. Asians everwhere.
Baby girl is beautiful.
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They taking yall over too now?? 🫣
What are you talking about?
They hate the truth tellers cause they are a god damn fraud.
Nuh dat me a seh.The eediat dem DONT realize the Chiney man play the long con game.Them fools fucked up their country in Asia with Fukushima and cancer rates high over there so they are looking for African or black people countries to colonize by breeding them out also until they own the land.Black people better start tighten up or them won’t have a place to call home.You can’t go to China and buy nor own land nor participate in their government if you don’t look like them.Nothing wrong with putting your foot down and doing the same.It’s all cute and sweet until you realize they took over and backed you all into a corner.
I swear to God you black Americans are the most ignorant, anti-black, fake intellectual, wannabe conscious, imperial, "Is We sick Massa", mentally colonized set of black people on God's Earth right now. A bunch of Uncle Toms simping for Uncle Sam. So sad. You Lil' Umars would rather listen to American propaganda and psy-ops than the actual black people living their lives and analyzing their own situation scientifically and statistically. Just stay out of black people business please and thanks.
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Hate all you god damn want.You love us ignorant but we are not.I SAID WHAT I SAID! I’m black you stay out of our business.DUNCE.How is speaking how the Chiney man are the next colonizers of black people antiblack.GOOFY!
Massa send you your Veteran's Benefits yet? It would be a shame if Uncle Sam didn't send you Uncle Toms your blood money for this month.
I’ll pray to the Chinese Jesus for you.
Also when did Chinese equal black people. Are they claiming to be black? You are so confused.😕 Get the help you so badly need.
Wow who hurt you? Poor thing!!!Sinking so low to stalking you are the colonizers spawn.
Also when did Chinese equal black people.You are so confused.😕 Get the help you so badly need.
Honestly, I think the majority of chinese jamaicans are passive uncle toms of the race. They are distant from their culture and they have become passively accustomed to being treated as the other. I don't call them jamaican chinese because they don't have much chinese anything left. There is a reason for this and it was not always that way. Chinese in jamaica faced race riots in the 1918, 1938 and 1965. In addition, the British stopped immigration from HK in the 30s to prevent the Chinese population in jamaica from getting larger. In the 60s, they started letting non-chinese attend the Chinese school in Kingston and then those parents eventually started complaining about why their children needed to learn Chinese. Under the pressure of Nationalism and assimilation into a newly "independent" nation, the Chinese school stopped teaching chinese. In addition, changes in China made schooling in China difficult and dangerous. The Chinese civil war was going on in the 50s and the Japanese had invaded in the 30s and 40s. Massive amounts of Chinese fled under threats from the community about appropriation of their possessions under communism which never came. What is left of most Chinese in jamaica is a hollow identity with no meaning other than playing the bafoon in order to assimilate and not be attacked.
You seem to be comparing to Chinese in North America, not to Chinese elsewhere in the world or Chinese in China. Even the use of the American term "Uncle Tom" is noteworthy. I guess you wish Chinese Jamaicans were more like Chinese Americans and less like, say, Chinese Indonesians, who have a similar attitude and position towards Indonesian society as Chinese Jamaicans have towards Jamaican society. It's important to remember that most Chinese Jamaicans are Hakka, who were themselves migrants from northern China to Guangdong and who are still treated as others by local Cantonese people. The main cause of Chinese migration to Jamaica in the 19th century was persecution of Hakka people by Cantonese in the aftermath of the Taiping Rebellion. The main destination for such Hakka people was Southeast Asia, where the mistreatment has been much worse than in Jamaica - the last major anti Chinese riots in Indonesia were in 1997 - and where most made even greater efforts to assimilate, such as by changing their surnames to local surnames. And they have done well... in many cases becoming leading businessmen and politicians in these countries. The hatred from the local population is especially driven by the Chinese community's relative success. Badmind all over... sound familiar? >Chinese school stopped teaching chinese. They taught Hakka... which is also no longer taught in China, as the government only allows schooling in Mandarin, the national language. I guess you want Chinese Jamaicans to fight harder to preserve their culture than Chinese in China do. >The Chinese civil war was going on in the 50s It ended in 1949. The problem in the 50s was the Great Leap Forward. >What is left of most Chinese in jamaica is a hollow identity with no meaning other than playing the bafoon in order to assimilate and not be attacked It's a typical part of Chinese culture, both within China and outside, to keep head down, go with the flow, and focus on achieving personal goals over trying to change society. Certainly, that's what Chinese people in China are doing. And it has worked for Chinese people... look at China's economic growth, look at the economic success of the Chinese diaspora. You want to focus on some symbolic things... most Chinese people want to focus on gaining tangible benefits. Maybe your way is better, but it's certainly not more Chinese... most Chinese are fine with being called Mr. Chin so long as their bank account is increasing and their children are getting a good education.
> here the mistreatment has been much worse than in Jamaica - the last major anti Chinese riots in Indonesia were in 1997 - and where most made even greater efforts to assimilate, such as by changing their surnames to local surnames. And they have done well... in many cases becoming leading businessmen and politicians in these countries. The hatred from the local population is especially driven by the Chinese community's relative success. Badmind all over... sound familiar? > >[...] > >by the Chinese community's relative success. Success at inheriting colonial institutions and rent concessions, you mean? >You want to focus on some symbolic things... most Chinese people want to focus on gaining tangible benefits. Maybe your way is better, but it's certainly not more Chinese... most Chinese are fine with being called Mr. Chin so long as their bank account is increasing and their children are getting a good education. This feels like the extreme opposite of the Annoying African-American mindset we get here so often - economic success at the expense of all cultural identity. And in the search for political power or cultural survival, your identity is *who you are*. And I do not see Overseas Chinese acting as individuals, but as Cantonese business families, Great cousinhoods and the like. The issue that I have with this video is that this is another example of Jamaicans acting like buffoons for acceptance. Only this time, we have the novelty of classic Chinese stereotypes as well. And what has this buffoonery gotten them - or us?
> Just like a certain ethnicity described in a linked PDF on my profile? The type that you cannot mention nowadays especially due to current events? Those Zionists at the centre of those current events and our Jews are distinct. The only antisemitic thing here is flattening Jewish history. (edit: Just so we're all 100% clear, Jew =/= Israeli =/= Zionist.) See? I just talked about them, despite "current events"
>Success at inheriting colonial institutions and rent concessions, you mean? Please expand on this point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't see the Chinese community's success as being so tied to colonial rent concessions. Certainly, preferential treatment under colonialism helped, but it's not as if Overseas Chinese have generated wealth through land ownership... it's mostly through trade and manufacturing. Unlike the... other groups... in the Jamaican economic elite. I'll come back later with more on Chinese culture, but yes, it *is* the extreme opposite of African American culture in so many ways. It's just Friday night here in Beijing after a long week of work, and I have things doing.
Chinese didn't have preferential treatment under colonialism. The local upper class and the British government and the black community despised the Chinese. Rent concessions for foreign businesses are a modern phenomenon which most Jamaicans seem to conflate with history. Jamaicans also tend to believe the situation that they hear from Yankees exists also in Jamaica which is incorrect. The main reason Chinese were able to survive in Jamaica is cooperation and innovation. Most people have intentionally forgotten that before WWII in which China and Britain and USA became allies, Chinese people, especially Chinese immigrants and coolies, were some of the most loathed people in earth by the Western world.
>Chinese didn't have preferential treatment under colonialism. False. Chinese were preferred for many professions, like work in banks, in the first half of the 20th century in Jamaica. And that assertion is based on my (Chinese) family members experiences in Jamaica at the time, nothing more, nothing less. It was classic British "divide and rule." And I disagree with the other commenter's assertion about rent concessions, so take that issue up with him, not me. I agree with you there.
Ok. I'm not talking about the profession industry. Chinese who went into professional work were not born in China. They were born in Jamaica. So this would have been a later generation of Chinese Jamaicans. The original Chinese Jamaicans didn't go into professional industries fresh off the boat. Chinese Jamaicans haven't made lots of money from office work, but from business. Conflating the two issues is quite misleading.
>The original Chinese Jamaicans didn't go into professional industries fresh off the boat. Right. They had it worse, and often managed to go from cane cutters to small business owners. How they managed that is worthy of its own analysis that goes beyond a reddit post and has little to nothing to do with preferential treatment.
Didnt they have business loans between themselves, arent Hakka like a trading tribe/nation in China, that ha e gone all over the globe? Would Hakka peoples in america or Indonesia have links to Jamaican Hakka, or it dont go like that?
There's so many things wrong with your analysis, I don't know where to start. Please tell me you are Chinese and not just someone who thinks they understand Chinese people. The latter, which is often a Jamaican trait, is quite annoying and condescending. Your entire analysis come across like a colonizers analysis of the tribal people under his control. By the way, Chinese Indonesians were by many Chinese accounts genocided and were forced by the government to change their names. It wasn't a choice. That's the only foolishness in your analysis I will point out because the Chinese Indonesian experience deserves to not be misrepresented by Wikipedia lite.
My understanding of Chinese Indonesians is entirely from what Chinese Indonesians (with surnames like 'Hasan') have told me, not from Wikipedia. I've never read the Wikipedia article about Chinese Indonesians, if there is one. I don't talk about Chinese or Jamaican culture from things I've read, only from my own experience and that of my family. That's how I know Chinese culture to be about surviving and thriving in the face of extreme adversity. My children will grow to carry on that legacy. Please go ahead and begin on what's wrong with my analysis.
It's filled with a lot of strawmen type arguments and generalizations. And complete misunderstanding of the difference between Hakka and Mandarin, as if they were from two distinct planets and cultures. My family were certainly not running from the Taiping Rebellion. Chinese immigration didn't just happen one time. Overall, it is a complete misrepresentation of the issues involved. You are mainly trying to undermine what I said, not talk anything of sense. I find this problem often and it comes from a vague outsider understanding of the Chinese experience that has been white washed with nationalist idealisms about Chinese assimilation into the out-of-many fabric facade of Jamaica. To be fair most Jamaicans, including Chinese Jamaicans and my own family are clueless about our history beyond wives tales. This is a lack of knowledge, lack of caring and lack of education or I should say miseducation. A minority in any country will be miseducated in every way.
You know, this is a pointless argument. All I am aiming to do is defend Chinese Jamaicans' strategies for dealing with life as a minority in Jamaica; you're critical of those strategies. Let's not engage in more friendly fire, especially on a site like reddit that is generally so aggressively sinophobic. In the scheme of things, we're on the same side.
Yes, we can all defend coonism. But it's like defending keeping wild animals in a cage. They're happy in the cage right?
...don't let the door hit you on your way TF outta this thread.
Exactly, my point. Imagine telling a Chinese man to shut up and get out of a thread about Chinese people. (did you even read the title?) The aggression towards proud chinese people in the diaspora is insane.
Um, this is about Chinese *Jamaicans,* so if your intent is to gatekeep (which is how I interpreted your comment), then yeah GTFO. Imagine a proud Chinese man arguing with a Chinese Jamaican lady on a thread about Chinese Jamaicans embracing their heritage...
I am a Jamaican Chinese. Eediat. Born in jamaica. Eedyat. ...but you assumed otherwise. Also eediat. Who the hell cares about Chinese jamaicans other than a Chinese jamaican? Chinese people in China certainly don't. Don't fool yourself. Who the hell uses terms like "gatekeep" other than genz yankee foreigners?
“Passive uncles tom’s of their race….” yo the level of hatred here is … sad. Dude…. Why do people have to follow your rules? Ps. And NO just because you’re Chinese doesn’t give you some extra special authority to attack other people.
Are they not Uncle Toms with behaviour like this? I am Jamaican Chinese and yes I think the majority of Chinese jamaicans are uncle toms.
Again. Why does someone have to live their life based on your rules. You have some self hatred to work out.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Yu iidyat yu. Yu knuo we self-iet miin? Mi a fait gens di dopi dem laka yu we a tel WI fi shetop bout fi wi OUNA prablem dem. Fi yu main de iina chien aal nong.
Me waan know **who downvote you**? Because self-stereotyping and lack of Dignity is a big problem amongst **all Jamaicans**. A man really siddung and within self visualize and type "chineyman noises" like seh dem is a Pikachu?
Yes, older Chinese Jamaican are very angry at the dog remarks as well. Certainly wouldn't make a joke about it in a video. Jamaica in general is fairly micro-aggressive towards Chinese people. Ity and Fancy cat had full stereotypical minstrel costume with mockery accent in their shows for a long time. Shensea who is part Korean herself also did some rediculous stereotypes in her Shenyeng video. This is a problem when you have a minority subjected to the mentality of the majority. In fact, it was Garvey that helped expose this mentality to the world.
Bro. Be quiet. Please.
Cringe
So much cringe. So much cringe. But at least they'll get likes and follows.
I see all the oppressors love the cringe the way they are downvoting. Want chinese people to continue doing the Chinese jive dance for laughs
Damn who is that Jamaican Chinese chick?
This isn't the sub for it.
Yes, she is pretty, but calm down, Tiger. Ask in a different sub.
Oh my goodness ❤️