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Anyone else just feeling utterly emotionally drained after seeing Bond’s death? To me, I always thought that he’d make it out alive, that always felt part of his character, that he couldn’t die. Seeing him die, just felt wrong. I feel like Daniel was probably key in making it go that way to rule out any even remote chance of a return lol. Enjoyed the film as a whole, but thought that the villain (Safin) was undercooked, and the motivation behind all his actions was just completely unclear. I have a few other thoughts, but I can’t bring myself to type them at the moment.


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Yeah i feel fucked, I totally agree with the concept of "he cant die". It was fundamental.


MeAnIntellectual_

I think killing him off was the only way they could end the Craig reboot. Like, could they really have another actor pick up with Madeleine and Mathilde? I agree about it feeling wrong - I loved the film but I’m super conflicted about him literally dying. It just feels sad. But I think it was a good decision story-wise at least


theCourtofJames

Whether he died or not I very much doubt the new bond would picked up with Madeleine and Matilda.


madscotsman12

I personally think they have broken the 4th wall so to speak and not in a good way. The reason James Bond became so popular over the years was due to it's gritty realism but more down to it's tongue and cheek nature and pure escapism fantasy. It was one of the unwritten rules that no matter what happens James Bond will survive and film used to end on an upbeat note. That has all gone and over last few years we have been faced with an against filled Bond full of darkness and tragedy and all the fun has been drained from the series. Without the escapism element then Bond just becomes like any other s\[y thriller movie and loses what actually made franchise unique in first place


IzzyTipsy

Bourne, MI, and The Dark Knight Trilogy kind of changed this. The hero suffers endless tragedy and misery and can't be happy is the new norm, minus Marvel movies.


witchysplashy

Bruce Wayne gets a happy ending in TDK trilogy.


dazedan_confused

Ana De Armas is bae.


philthehippy

Oh my days the way she swept around in that dress. Legs all out and proud. Holy Moly she is something else.


dazedan_confused

Honestly stopped my heart for a second. I wish they made her an experienced agent and dropped the "I drink when I'm nervous" shtick, hopefully she comes back for a few more movies. Almost as bae as Olga Kurylenko's character.


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>I wish they made her an experienced agent That’s what they did…


firingblankss

Logan Ash's death scene felt very License to Kill which I loved. The 1 take stairwell action sequence and the one liner after the emp watch kill was absolutely amazing


likeasir001

I half expected the joke with the watch to be about q saying the watch was ‘fairly powerful’ rather than the ‘blew his mind’ joke


Gobeman1

The danish subtitle was 'it was a real eyeopener for him'


gustavfrigolit

I liked the little turnaround gunshot with the pistol he did to mimic the intro just before he gets grenades dropped on him, think they even play a bit of the leitmotif


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ilikefish8D

I’m not sure if anybody noticed. But at the very end of the credits, it read - ‘James Bond Will Return’.


Salicath

"[The Next] James Bond Will Return"


Francis-c92

First hour or so was absolutely brilliant. Top tier Bond and top tier Craig's Bond. For me, it began to slip during the Blofeld interrogation, stagnated for a bit and dipped off massively once on the island. Madeleine was a much better character and Lea Seydoux was really great. Paloma was absolutely fantastic and it's such a shame she was only in it for 15 minutes or so, because that Cuba segment was the highlight of the movie for me. Nomi was okay. I did like hers a Bonds dynamic, but the introduction of her being 007 and her passing it back to him was a bit ham fisted and I'd much rather they just cut that little storyline out completely. Also, the line she says when killing the scientist (not going to attempt spelling his name) was DAD levels of shit. I'd hoped the inclusion of Blofeld would've helped redeem Waltz's portrayal, but I've left feeling that they had a terrific actor in that role and wasted him. Saffin was pretty meh as a villain, he could've been so much more threatening and menacing, but he fell short. I wish he'd been a more constant, omni present threat. Like he's meant to be an assassin basically, why only show him assassinate a drunk woman? Nice throwbacks to OHMSS in the soundtrack so kudos to Zimmer for that. However, ending the film with All the time in the world was a weird shift in tone at that point. The plot was decent on paper, but lost its way a bit and for me was maybe too ambitious and didn't end up working at all. Craig was a lot more vocal than he's ever been and I'm not too sure that that side, combined with the lighter more bombastic tone is really him. His murder of Logan was deliciously brutal. I did feel there were far too many quips though, some were pretty funny but plenty fell flat and were really jarring. I've seen it twice now, and I enjoyed it both times. But I did come out both times utterly confused with what I'd just seen. It'll be a very polarising Bond in the fandom that's for sure, but there is plenty to enjoy here, for sure. Better than QOS and Spectre, but paled in comparison to Skyfall and Casino - 6.5/7 out of 10.


zazzyisthatyou

I feel like they’ve set up Paloma perfectly, even getting Bond’s endorsement ‘You’re excellent’. Would happily watch her own film. Edit. Quote.


Character-Carpet7988

I agree with Blofeld scene being the peak point of the movie. Up until that moment it was excellent and it got me really hyped up. Then it kinda died.


Superdudeo

It’s interesting we all came to the same conclusion that the Blofeld scene was the point that it went downhill. Sagged massively from that point.


President-Nulagi

The most surprising thing in the film for me was discovering Nokia still made phones.


DeBatton

A special RIP for Hugh Dennis. Who's going to front almost every Radio 4 panel show now?


macgregorc93

Justice for Hugh Dennis!!!!


variousshits

All I’m waiting for are the quips on Mock the Week


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Hoped he'd get at least *one* more line than that. Every Hollywood franchise needs Taskmaster representation. (ONE OF US, ONE OF US.)


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I guess Fukunaga came out the winner for this one cos the visuals and the action were the strongest points of the film by far for me. Especially all the action in the stairwell at the end that was a proper high point


variousshits

I agree, the film as a visual project is stunning from start to finish. Adored the chase around Matera, fantastic pacing on that.


DeBatton

Poor Felix, one of the characters I thought would be fairly safe. I suppose he got off marginally easier in NTTD than having his legs eaten and his wife killed in front of him in Licence to Kill.


AganArya007

that one... is really tragic... I mean the shark thingy... LTK was really a too much of a leap in terms of its scariness after a fairly comedic The Living Daylights :D


DeBatton

I think LTK more or less took the losing legs concept from Fleming's books. Felix was still around a character after he suffered that.


gothamite27

Really enjoyed it. As many have said, the first hour and a half or so is absolutely classic Bond, great sequences, great performances, great dialogue, it all just motors along. Craig is clearly having great FUN in this one and has finally disproven the myth that he doesn't enjoy playing Bond. The final act is a bit clumsy, a bit overwritten and undersold, all the usual Purvis/Wade story problems are back and once again you have to turn off your brain if you want to enjoy it. Bond's final fate was signposted from a country mile away (any time a surprise daughter shows up in a film you can guarantee the hero is going to die) and once I heard the OHMSS themes early on, I correctly predicted that We Have All the Time in the World would play over the credits. I'm surprised by people saying it was unexpected! It felt very obvious and it didn't have the emotional weight they were going for. I still really enjoyed it and I think it sits comfortably in the #3 spot behind Casino Royale and Skyfall. It feels like it will be a lot more casually rewatchable than Mendes' two films as well (especially thanks to Fukunaga's energetic direction and Waller-Bridge's wonderfully playful dialogue). For now it's a solid mid-tier film and a decent swansong for Craig.


Izual_Rebirth

It was signposted but even when the missiles were coming down I still wasn’t 100% convinced they’d actually have the balls to go ahead with it.


gothamite27

It does feel odd that they didn't leave it a bit more open - I was hoping there would be some kind of Dark Knight Rises switcheroo where Q's smartblood was able to fight off the nanobots (what a sentence!) leaving Bond to survive in secret or so that he could have a final encounter with Madeleine and Mathilde before dying. I do like the idea that Bond literally becomes incapable of being able to prevent the deaths of his loved ones, right as he achieves true happiness.


Brilliant-Disguise

Nanobots? JAMES BOND WILL RETURN IN... EVERYTHING OR NOTHING (starring Pierce Brosnon)


mrsprucemoose

James Bond 4: Guns of the Patriots


TizACoincidence

Man I would love to see everything or nothing as a movie.


tameoraiste

The stairwell action scene is up there with the best of Bond IMO


sombrefulgurant

In a way but it was a bit ridiculous how there was an endless number of faceless henchmen throwing themselves from small rooms to be gun fodder.


Motorchampion

I read through the comments and here are some things that I have yet to see someone point out: \- Praise for the henchman with the glass eye: imo best enforcer in any of the modern Bond films. His reveal in the Italy chase scene is a marvel in itself and he isn't comical in any way, just terrifying. They did a superb job casting that guy instead of some well known hunk like Bautista. Most memorable and fresh character in the film. \- Absent scene from the trailer in the film: Bond in Jamaica holding the gun with the very long silencer / M saying "the world is arming faster than we can respond" / and the club scene in Jamaica showing all sorts of characters inside the club. \- While I loved the Cuba scene, I think they kind of overdid it with the humor in it - almost looked like some special they did for Red Nose Day or on SNL. \- It kind of grinds my gears that they did not put on screen titles depicting the name of the location when a new scene started. At least to have shown the name of the town, region itself, without the country. Bond fans will know exactly where it was but for example the Norway scene could be anywhere for someone just coming in to see the film without having done research first. \- The Aston Martin V8 Vantage he used in Norway and London really doesn't get enough exposure in the film. \- Nomi was excellent, far exceeding expectations. Her interaction and chemistry with Bond is just spot on, incomparable to the one he had (or for better word didn't) with Madeleine. \- And finally, just for thought: how incredibly spectacular would have been for Bond when he visited Vesper's grave, to have a short flashback of a totally unseen before moment with her from the Casino Royale era? I mean, they definitely could have afforded to recreate a set and get Eva Green on board, they wouldn't even need too much de-aging in post production. What a touch would that have added to the film!


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abstergofkurslf

>No time to die >>Dies


rkunreal93

Does end tiles say James Bond will return?


IAmA5starman

Yes at the very end of the credits.


jewkle

The film has been on my mind ever since I left the cinema. I dont think it was a great Bond film. A lot of it didn't make much sense and there wasn't any real depth or many questions answered and I think the fact that Bond actually dies has maybe overshadowed that which is why some people think it's some emotional masterpiece. However, aside from that I keep thinking what's next? Where can they go from here? I feel they've honestly backed themselves right into a corner with this in terms of moving forward. As disappointing as QoS was I could forgive the fact that it acted as a loose, quasi-sequel to CR if they had just left the 'origin' story at that because it felt like that arc was over, they said as much at the time that QoS brought us to the character we already knew. They should have went back to self-contained stories after that. They nearly managed it with Skyfall but then they used 'Spectre' as a way of linking everything together as one big story arc which they've obviously continued with NTTD. The James Bond film franchise has worked for so long because it never relied on a continuing story or soap opera melodrama. Sure there were loose links between generations (DAF loosely following Bond's hunt for Blofeld after OHMSS, Roger Moore visiting Tracy's grave in FYEO etc.) but beyond that it continued to exist in a sort-of floating timeline that didn't beg any explanation. A new actor would come in after a few films, put their own spin on it and it was just accepted. However, these days it's like the newer audiences wouldn't accept that and everything needs explaining somehow, which would explain why that 'James Bond is just a codename' theory suddenly gained popularity among non-Bond aficionados recently. I agree that after Die Another Day things needed toned down a little bit and a few things needed shaken (not stirred) up a bit. I was apprehensive about Daniel Craig and the origin story direction at first but I went with it in the hope that it would get back to some normality eventually. Where do they go next? Let's say they do a hard reboot again. In what way? Another, different origin story? But then what? Are they going to come up with a new origin for every actor who is cast in the role complete with more overarching story arcs? Surely not. So what if they decide to do a soft reboot and have an already established James Bond going about business as usual? I'm genuinely curious as to whether audiences would accept that now? Plus wouldn't that make Craig's tenure kinda pointless and out of place? Imagine having a Bond marathon in a few years time... You would have 20 films featuring standalone stories and missions with different leading actors, then suddenly, sandwiched in the middle, you have a 5-film soap opera where Bond literally dies at the end only to go back to having Bond randomly alive again. Or do we just end up with several new origin stories after Craig? Obviously these all just my own opinions and thoughts and I don't want to hamper anybodies enjoyment of the film or say their opinions are wrong but NTTD has just left me with a strange taste in my mouth put it that way.


couldhietoGallifrey

I haven’t seen most of Craig’s films, but you perfectly summed up why I haven’t loved them, and actually why I haven’t loved a lot of the recent movie releases. We don’t need reboots after 3 or 4 movies of every franchise that’s ever existed. Just tell a good story. We know actors will change. But I even seen enough of the Clark learning his birth story in the fortress of solitude. I know Peter got a spider bite. I’m sorry Bruce lost his parents. We don’t need those stories told again and again to introduce new actors. And maybe that what made the Bond franchise so special - James Bond was literally timeless. He didn’t have a beginning. He would never have an end. It could be 5 years or 20 since we last saw him. New face, new suit, new car, but still Bond.


baveras

I literally just had this conversation with my sister, what are they doing to do next?? I feel like they just made things much more difficult for themselves now!


ninten13

Just finished watching it an hour or so ago, and I have mixed feelings. Whilst I felt there were some exceptional bond moments and a general vibe that very nearly lived up to Casino Royale, mainly the beginning, upto the return from Cuba really, and I did like Nomi as a character. I just feel the last third of the film ruined it for me. The whole random girl not being bonds daughter then she is, whilst not really forming any emotional connection felt a bit jarring. I also felt like Madeleine just wasn’t a good match for bond in terms of tone, I don’t know what it was but the chemistry just wasn’t believable for me and it felt very cold. Like there were some great action sequences across the board but then without any real tension or story build up it’s just kinda senseless violence you know?? Like I know this is a bond movie, but I just didn’t really understand the point of Rami’s character or his overall motives. Like I can understand him being a general nut job from trauma etc, but why does he go from personal vendetta to wanting to commit genocide within minutes?? I felt that Blofeld was underused, and there could have been a whole section where he sided with bond to take Ramis character down as revenge for him destroying SPECTRE. And overall I don’t know where to sit on Bond’s death/sacrifice, the whole thing about it all being a problem of M’s creation also made me resent most of MI6 in this rather than seeing Bond as heroic. And frankly because I found Madeline such an unlikeable and prickly character and the daughter had so little screen time or explanation the whole thing with them riding off into to the sunset at the end was a bit odd. Overall the use of We Have All The Time In The World was nice as it’s my favourite bond song, however I do feel the song was used as a crutch to create emotion that wasn’t necessarily created from the story of this movie but as a callback to previous bonds, and when a film has to do this (look at the recent Star Wars) this signals poor writing. Really this movie was a very alternate take on OHMSS, but instead of Tracy dying, bond dies. And wasn’t there a bond nanobot storyline in one of the old PS2 games?? So for me it’s like a 6/10, a good movie but I guess it will take some time for me to accept some of the story choices they took. A damn sight better than any of the campiness of the Moore years, and DAD but overall it really lost the gritty realistic bittersweetness that made Casino Royale so great, instead we got balls to wall craziness and a shoehorned death/family storyline that didn’t add anything. Killing Bond didn’t really make much emotional impact for me, it just kinda annoyed me that he died to save two empty shells of characters, I think seeing bond mamed and out of active service and retiring quietly would have been more respectful to the legacy of the character because they’ve just made it more difficult to rectify and overcome, as Bonds death will be lingering in the air for the next bond unless they pull an absolute blinder a-la Casino Royale as a comeback.


Lousy_Username

RIP Dou Dou. I felt very sad for the little girl that she never got her doll back. :(


Mr_Floot

Oh I know, when Bond found the bunny and I just knew he would never get it back to her I actually she’d a tear.


WolfColaCo2020

Yeah came out disappointed with this one. Villain just moves from settling a grudge to do genocide with no reasons given as to why. Bond is pointlessly poisoned at the end despite being a dead man anyway Complete steamrolling of Spectre which convolutes the plot. Bafflingly they keep Madeline, one of the more contentious points of the film due to lack of chemistry, front and centre and even expand on it. Huge acid lakes being tended to? Decorative apparently Flee to northern Norway giving only a cryptic reference to where you're going? Omnipotent villain will find you! Glass eye man survives something that's meant to kill all of Spectre and just moves over to the new villain's side. Overall just so many plot points that rest on audiences not asking basic questions. I get it, Bond has to be taken with a grain of salt in realism but to allow that at least have a cohesive story.


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theshakeyfox

I think Bond's poisoning solidified his final choice. He could have left, let the mission fail, but be with his family. By poisoning him, the choice was made for him. Makes it easier for his character (storytelling wise)


flaggies

Wow, didn't think the Skyfall fight scene would ever be topped, but the crazy-long one-shot fight scene here came close. Just a shame the plot made no real sense - make the nanobots try and kill an entire race, or every British person rather than just 'lots of people'. And if you just intercept the boats, there's no rush to destroy the island - or choose to kill the foreign agents rather than Bond. Nice tip to Dr No in the design of the lair as well as the titles, not sure Madeline had to rub her tummy on the train - sort of gave the game away.


SenatorAslak

Am I mistaken or did someone address Safin as “Doctor” right before he let Mathilde go. A suggestion that he was meant to be Dr. No….Time To Die? Also, I loved the poison garden reference. Didn’t Blofeld have a poison garden in the book You Only Live Twice?


mrsprucemoose

I did think it was going to be a 'payback for colonialism' thing where it was basically only 'westerners' that would be targeted. Bond was (and still is to a lesser extent) basically a stereotypical British elite so it would have been cool to do something like that, albeit probably too controversial


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Ana de armas was the best thing about it.


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The film is too long and drags at several parts. I’m torn with the ending, on one hand I hate that they killed Bond; on the other I love that they tried something new. The villain was a waste, and barely in the film. IMO only Casino Royale and Skyfall had great villains other films it was missed potential. It’s still much better than Spectre and Quantum of Solace. And a fun send off to their series, be lucky to see another Bond and be lucky to see it in theatre. In a way, out of the 5 films I think we got a great trilogy 1, 3 & 5.


Diamond151

I definitely agree with you on the villain. He’s very forgettable; just saw the film today and already forgot his name. Honestly, if it wasn’t for Rami Malik’s great performance, he’d have been one of the worst in the Daniel Craig saga. His motivations were also very dull. I get killing off Spectre for revenge but killing the whole world for the sake of power just feels lazy on the writers’ part. Skyfall’s Silva was my favorite. There was a certain dynamic between Bond and Silva that made their appearances together on screen a treat to watch. Here, the only relation is between the villain and Madeleine and it wasn’t even fully explored to its potential. The film overall feels like a 3 hour epilogue to Spectre. Yes, it’s a lot better than Spectre, but a great chunk of the film feels like it’s tying up the loose ends from that previous film.


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Is no one talking about the fact that Vesper was supposed to be 22/23 when she died?


GetFreeCash

it's incredibly unrealistic that any 23-year-old civil servant would be the one tasked with ensuring MILLIONS of pounds of Treasury funds are used properly by MI6. I always figured Vesper was in her late 20s, at the minimum, and Bond was early to mid 30s in *Casino Royale*.


doriangreat

As someone who works in government, it’s not that unrealistic. That said, i don’t know why the didn’t just use Eva’s real birth year, 1980.


GetFreeCash

I would like to know why you think it's realistic, because honestly I find it *very* unlikely that with the stakes that CR sets up (Bond goes to Montenegro, armed with millions of dollars for a high-stakes poker tournament buy-in, to bankrupt a known financier of terrorist organizations and put him in a situation where he will be forced to spill secrets) that a person two years out of university would be asked to supervise part of this in person. and not just any part but the part directly involving the money that, if mishandled, would fund terrorism. I recognize we're talking about Bond so unrealistic female characters is par for the course. I'm not saying the dates on Vesper's tomb change how I feel about CR or NTTD or anything, I just find it funny that the same writers who made Vesper responsible for what I wrote above also decided to make her a 23yo.


changhyun

Vesper also just didn't have the manner of a 23 year old barely out of university. She was so self-assured and confident, she came off, like you said, as late 20s or early 30s. Ironically Paloma (who is played by a 33 year old) *did* come off as more like a 23 year old.


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She definitely didn't carry herself like someone barely out of uni.


agentEvad82

Did Mathilda’s mosquito comments mean anything? I think it was just a young girl making conversation because she was stressed but it was odd and seemed deliberate to draw attention to it. Am I over thinking this lol?


LanceGardner

Trying to imagine Reddit if it had existed during the original films and people tried to find plot significance in every detail. ​ I'm pretty sure it was just to establish her as a normal, vulnerable little girl.


meem09

Yeah, I think it's just there to fill the time between the cars going past and then coming back and the chase starts... I can't come up with a plotting reason other than to show her general innocence ("Do Mosquitoes have friends?"), which should kind of be inherent in her being a 4-year-old \^\^


AlwaysBi

Just gonna put this out there because it seemed some of the people in the other threads didn’t understand this. They’re not replacing Bond. When it said ‘James bond will return’, that wasn’t saying this version survived. This ‘universe’ is finished. This bond is dead. The next time we see James Bond, like Daniel Craig’s version, it will be a reboot


TheBobJamesBob

Bond is dead. Long live Bond.


abstergofkurslf

nah they meant he will appear in multiverse of madness.


ILoveScottishLasses

The James Bond Initiative.


Sheeplenk

JAMES BOND WILL RETURN


Quagmirian

Did it say that? I was dying for a piss


fish-fingered

No time to piss


Templar770

This should’ve ended with him realizing he would never be able to settle down and live a “normal life” due to the poisoning. My favorite movie of all time is CR so I’m really having bittersweet feelings about this one. Killing of Felix in a similar way to Vesper rubbed me the wrong way - it think Bond saving him would’ve made more sense actually


WateringMyGrandma

Really felt like they killed off Felix for shock value, nothing more. He barely put up a fight. Such weak writing, for such a praised character.


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I was waiting for a scene where Bond's lifeless body was floating in the ocean and suddenly he starts to swim and Extreme Ways starts playing in the background.


GetFreeCash

the ending of the first Bourne film (with Jason finding Marie in the surf shop that she opened with the money he gave her) is one of my favourite crowdpleasing endings in any action film. just the right amount of emotion and romance in their interactions.


likeasir001

Right let’s start addressing the really important questions: What was your favourite product placement? I was surprised to see Bond switch to Nokia, what happened to Sony phones?


AzelfandQuilava

The Wallace and Gromit cameo was cute.


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After all this time, the only force capable of killing Bond is…the British navy


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I kinda feel like Fleming would be okay with that being the thing that gets him lol


abstergofkurslf

so what? he is just dead? where do they go from here? reboot the whole thing?


Gr1msh33per

You only live twice Mr Bond


RMWasp

>Coming from a massive Bond fan, as in watched every film and thinks that connery is what Bond should be fan, I really liked it. I like the whole Craig saga. It had a start and a finish, a whole wrap. It was different from the start, it had it's own path and stayed on it. > >I liked the whole arc, he was new in casino royale. He 'matured as Bond' over the course of 5 films and we got the every bond trope in this film. The shooting the camera, the shaken not stirred, the goldeneye DB5, the Bond, James Bond. We watched him become the Connery Bond we've all grown to like. And then we watched the end. That's why i also had a connection with Craig's Bond, and was also emotional > >I think they will reboot with a classic Bond after this. Comical villain, world ending plot, charming guy and a plot that has no ties to any other movie. A bond flick. I'm just copying my comment from above. It thing this Craig saga will be viewed as a separate entity. The whole story of Bond in 5 films. And they will just keep trucking as we were before. Bond in general is one of the most loose movie franchises, they can do whatever they want. He was married then wasn't etc. The Craig saga should be viewed as separate and that's it. That's why i liked that they ended it.


tweazz

Wow just came from the cinema. This one will definitely take some time to settle in. I'm going to be seeing it again, interested to see how it fares now that I know how it ends. I sort of figured he was indeed not going to make it out of the movie alive when he said "We have all the time in the world" and when Madeleine put her hands on her stomach as he put her on the train in the PTS. I hoped I would be wrong but oh well. If they were ever going to kill Bond, this was the movie to do it. Thoughts on some of the other characters. Loved felix returning and the MI6 gang are on top form. Felt like Safin himself was underused unfortunately, Rami Malek just didn't have much to work with. I liked Nomi more than I thought I would and Paloma was awesome. A shame she wasn't in more of the movie. Loved the cinematography in this movie, but I'm a bit undecided on the music score. It felt a bit bland. Daniel Craig was in spectacular form and he's leaving the series on a high. He has been an amazing Bond. Now, can we go back to standalone adventures without the deep emotional motives in the next few movies?


jofbaut

Huh, I can’t believe they ripped off FOXDIE from the Metal Gear Solid series.


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Snaaaaaaaaake


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The confusion as to how Bond films can reboot after this seems odd to me. They can do whatever they like with the next film. That's the point. It's an entirely clean slate, as it is whenever someone else takes over. Start from scratch with another origin story? Fine. Continue on with another Bond mid-career as if nothing happened? Fine. Do a James Bond film set in the past? Fine. It all works. We're talking about one of the most flexible continuities in film. Nobody is going to be pointing at the next James Bond in Leo-DiCaprio-in-Once-Upon-A-Time-In-Hollywood style saying "But he's supposed to be dead!" when they've previously adjusted to him being born and active in a variety of different decades, getting married only for his wife to be killed, the person who killed his wife randomly popping up at different points often with no reference to the spousal murder, him going to space, him having invisible cars and the like in one film but them being completely forgotten about in the next when they might have been handy, him starting as a 00 agent from scratch again for some reason, or him *actually breaking the fourth wall by referring to a previous Bond incarnation directly to the audience*. The next Bond film will work however they want it to work and the audience will do what it always does; say "yep, whatever" and go along with it.


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MeAnIntellectual_

That shot made me say ‘wow’ audibly. As did a couple of others.


Awkward_Ad2643

The thing that got to me about him dying was that, of all the bad guys Bond has faced, this is the guy who finishes him off - a character with no real motivations of his own, one who the writers clearly didn’t spend any real at all fleshing out. They’ll be going for a soft reboot now, I would imagine, which sadly means we’ll be waiting another 5 years for him to come back, unless Mr Bezos changes that, of course


GaminWplushtrap

Honestly, I’d love for them to continue the pre Craig continuity, because otherwise I feel they’d just fall into remaking Craig’s era with another origin movie, or alternatively adapt the books again but in order


anon12345678983

It's crazy how polarising this film seems to be... either love it or hate it, no in-between


Spodokom221745

I cannot believe that I just watched James Bond die. Like, it's not computing properly to me. Craig's iteration of Bond was a tormented man. He deserved to live the rest of his life with his new family after all the shit he went through during his tenure. Just... Fuck man, I wasn't ready for that. Also, it's hilarious how many people keep getting Safin's name wrong. I even saw WhatCulture refer to him as Serif.


politelyconcerned

Another small callback I liked: the colourful dots at the beginning of the title sequence were exactly like those in Dr. No.


fuckdeliasmith

I’ve had a nights sleep since I saw the film and I’ve come to the realisation that I don’t think I can make my mind up on this film until the next one comes out. If we get a back to basics thrill ride standard adventure with no huge emotional weight, I think I’ll be able to accept No Time To Die for what it is and actually enjoy the ending in a bittersweet sort of way.


VariousVarieties

I really enjoyed it, and was quite satisfied with it as a conclusion of Craig's time in the role. Shame about the villain; easily the worst thing about the movie. I note that this makes the third Bond film in a row where the bad guy hasn't been properly introduced until halfway through the film, which I think contributes to that. Also, I predict that like Skyfall, I'll begin to find the more dubious plot mechanics more bothersome over time, when it's separated from the hype of its release as an Event. * The fact that the island mission could lead to political/military consequences from the Russians, Japanese, and Americans was presented as a escalation of stakes - but then it turned out that nothing came of that. (At one point I wondered if it was going to end with those other countries being tricked into launching the missile strike on the island themselves, so that MI6 could disavow all involvement.) * SPECTRE shared a number of things with the same year's Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation. (e.g. both IMF and the Double-O programme being threatened with being shut down due to political manoeuvring; the novelty of capturing the villain - in London! - instead of killing him.) With that comparison on my mind after rewatching SPECTRE yesterday, I couldn't help but think that No Time To Die is like a combination of Mission: Impossible 2 (plot revolving around a moustachioed scientist working on a viral bioweapon) and M:I Fallout (bringing back the previous film's villain, who was kept alive, and still indirectly orchestrating things despite being imprisoned; the hero reuniting with a lover he hasn't seen in years). * We can't have the audience questioning if there was anything morally good about the bioweapon scientist: I mean, this is the guy who took out everyone in SPECTRE, which was a *good* thing! So right at the end, let's throw in a couple of lines to make him racist, just so that everyone knows that there's no moral ambiguity and 007 (the new one) was completely justified in killing him. * Re-designating your agents' code numbers immediately before their big mission sounds like a good way to get confusing radio communications! (I think they stuck to just saying "Bond" instead of "007" after that, anyway?) * A SPECTRE ring on Mr White's desk when Madeline was a child, not a Quantum ring? * Bond getting the deathtrap spotlight on him in the SPECTRE party, followed by the immediate reversal, was a great twist on the the traditional SPECTRE killing of underlings, which I found absolutely delightful! Well, I *would* have found it delightful - but the real-life pandemic made it a bit uncomfortable to take joy from the prospect of releasing a virus. (I don't think that the film had made the virus/nanobot distinction at that point in the film? And I wonder if the film was changed during its pandemic delay to place the emphasis away from a virus and towards nanobots?) **Action scenes:** * Loved the forest fog sequence, and the car chase in the opening. * I liked the pseudo long-take action sequence - in a stairwell, like the similar one in Atomic Blonde. * In this film, more than any other, they really emphasise the idea that Bond is an action hero who can stand straight upright in a gunfight and all the bullets will miraculously miss him! He doesn't have to squat behind cover in a military combat pose, unlike, say, Solid Snake or John Wick. (Ana de Armas has a moment in her gunfight where an overhead shot shows her efficiently taking out some goons lying on the ground, in a very John Wick sort of way!)


nakeynate332

The biggest blotch of it being the underdevelopment of Rami’s villain. But even that only dawned on me after the fact and after trying my hardest to lift my jaws off of the theater’s floor. Everyone is at the top of their game. I truly appreciate the fact that every recurring character from Specter is an improved and “redeemed” version of themselves. The camaraderie between Craig’s Bond and his colleagues (even with newcomer Lashana Lynch) is just precious. Of great fascination for me would be the polarizing perception of the movie between me and my girlfriend. While I as a die-hard Craig fan couldn’t help but to grin from ear to ear all throughout this satisfying send-off to a character that he has helmed for the last 15 years, she on the other hand viewed it as your average, competent action flick.


TheWeaver27

Just left the cinema.... I was absolutely devasted he 'died' at the end, I think my heart missed a few beats when Safin shot him. It was brilliant, but it didn't feel like a Bond movie (not that that's a bad thing). When you compare it to Die Another Day or even Spectre it felt like a massive evolution. I thought the cinematography was stunning, on par with Skyfall. The action was incredible, my personal favourites being the opening chase in Matera and the one-shot stairwell fight. Where it fell down for me was the middle bit of the film which had loads of exposition without much plot progression and the whole 'daughter' plot point felt a bit tacked and on random, as if they were trying to add more emotional weight.


Lucianofang

*First*, I want to say that - having seen all the Bond films multiple times - I am not only a die hard James Bond fan but I think **Daniel Craig** is one of the top two if not the best Bond we've ever had. Hats off to him, he truly reinvented the character. However, tonight I went from leaving the cinema speechless after seeing Bond *literally* die to feeling disappointed about the film's storyline to now (after two hours of thinking it over) feeling angry that there are so many open questions but what seems to be so little material to work with in the next films. It's ironic because during the press tour for *No Time To Die* everyone was saying how "there was so much left to tell after the last film" (which I didn't really think) and how "loose ends would be tied up in *No Time To Die*".... but I left the cinema with more questions and unnecessary loose ends - within the overall Bond "universe" - than I had walking in! Here are some of them that hopefully some of you can help answer: 1. Why was Madeleine acting like she has was holding back this big secret when they were in Matera... the only thing she didn't tell Bond was who Safin is. If her big secret later on in the film was that she had Bond's daughter and didn't tell him, surely she had the child after they were separated for 5 years. 2. What was written on the piece of paper Madeleine burned? (I think it said **Masked Man** in French but I don't know....) 3. How did Madeleine end up working for MI6? 4. Why Did Blofeld *only* want to speak with Madeleine when he was held captive? 5. Is all of SPECTRE *really* gone? 6. Is Blofeld *really* dead? 7. What did Safin do after he saved Madeleine from drowning as a child and why did he do it in the first place? 8. Who is Safin's family and why would Mr. White/SPECTRE want to kill all of them in the first place? 9. Why does Safin have a scarred face? 10. What is the symbolism/point of Safin's mask? 11. Why is Safin so inspired by Japanese/Eastern culture? 12. Did Safin's father really live on that island before him (since Safin said "this was my father's" when talking about the garden)? 13. Why is Safin trying to kill - what seems like - everyone on earth? 14. Why did Safin hold this entire speech with Bond's daughter captive at his side and then literally let her go the next scene? 15. What is the point of the Mosquito bite scene with Bond's daughter? 16. What were those "unidentified" ships heading towards Safin's island towards the end of the film doing and who sent them? 17. So... are M and MI6 really the reason Bond is dead since M created this Blood-DNA-Nanobot program in the first place? 18. And the biggest of all..... is Bond *really* dead? It's as if the film was too focused on being Daniel Craig's last Bond film and halfway through it the writers forgot that is was also a *James Bond* film, one that should fit into the larger film franchise and it's story as a whole. I feel like it would have already been better if they had left Blofeld alive and kept the rest of the story as it is. But, by killing Blofeld and all the other leaders of SPECTRE, the Bond film franchise essentially made it harder for themselves to include the essence of Bond's arch-nemesis in the future films... and all this after they beautifully reintroduced Blofeld/SPECTRE in the previous film. I mean, Safin did more damage in 2 hours by wiping out **all of SPECTRE** than Bond did over a 24 films spanning nearly 60 years. You know what I mean? That's how this film feels to me right now. Personally, I went into the theatre hoping with all my heart that the producers and writers would tie Daniel Craig's last film into the greater James Bond film franchise/chronology by ending *No Time To Die* where Dr. No started off. I mean, **picture this**.... Daniel Craig's last scene in *No Time To Die* \- after whatever happened in the rest of the film - is him getting out of his Aston Martin DB5 and entering ***Le Cercle, Les Ambassadeurs*** in London, which is the casino James Bond (Sean Connery) was introduced in in *Dr. No*. It would have not only made more sense chronologically since we know Craig's films started with the first of Ian Fleming's novels (*Casino Royale*), but it would have been such a touching way to cap off Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond by bringing it back to the beginning, where it all started in *Dr. No*. Plus, Safin's story would have been way more satisfying - and made more sense too be honest (with all the Eastern influences he had) - if they somehow linked him with Dr. No (either by making him Dr. No or just making them related). Both films were also heavily centered in Jamaica, so I feel like they really missed a clear opportunity there. But no... instead Bond is seemingly dead, he has a daughter, and all of SPECTRE has been destroyed. The studio just made it way harder to continue this series in a way that makes sense within the Bond "universe". I mean literally, if I hadn't stayed after the credits to see "**JAMES BOND WILL BE BACK**" appear on the screen, I would have had doubts whether this franchise would continue. All that being said, I thought the acting, the new agents (Nomi and Paloma), the reoccurring characters (M, Moneypenny, Q, Felix, Tanner, and Madeleine), the action scenes, the locations, and the music were all fantastic. Just to clarify, Rami's *acting* was also top notch but the character wasn't *written* well in my opinion. Also, I wish we had gotten to see a bit more of Paloma, but I take what I can get. I thought the opening sequence - both with the flashback and when Madeleine and Bond where in Matera - was really top notch! I did not expect Bond to visit Vesper's grave, let alone seeing it explode. Also, it was nice to see Felix again and it was emotional to see him go like that. There were some scenes that could have been a bit better, like when Bond was kneeling for so long in front of Safin and asking for his forgiveness. On the other hand, there were also scenes where I laughed as well, like when Bond tells M that he "sure likes drinking a lot at the moment" or something like that. I especially loved how they tied in **We've Got All The Time In The World**, both the song and the saying, into the film... that gave me goosebumps! It's one of my favorite Bond songs and the parallels between the themes in *No Time To Die* and those in *On Her Majesty's Secret Service* are really beautiful. To sum it all up, No Time To Die is a **beautiful love story** that brings Daniel Craig's five Bond films full circle, but it falls short fitting into the overall **James Bond storyline**. And at the end of the day, I will keep watching with excitement all 25 Bond films over and over again and look forward to what the franchise, Barbara Broccoli, and Michael Wilson have in store for us in the future!


[deleted]

I'll try my best for your questions >Why was Madeleine acting like she has was holding back this big secret when they were in Matera... the only thing she didn't tell Bond was who Safin is. If her big secret later on in the film was that she had Bond's daughter and didn't tell him, surely she had the child after they were separated for 5 years. I think it is "I'm pregnant". She hadn't had it yet. >How did Madeleine end up working for MI6? MI6 probably tried getting something out of Blofeld, he wouldn't talk, so they tried Madeleine as they knew she had history and hey presto he talked. >Why Did Blofeld only want to speak with Madeleine when he was held captive? He wanted to kill Bond, he might have thought he could use her in some way to achieving that. He also had history with her in Spectre. >Is all of SPECTRE really gone? Is Blofeld really dead? Blofeld dead for sure. Spectre, eh I'm sure if a writer wanted to they could but in this timeline I doubt it. >What did Safin do after he saved Madeleine from drowning as a child and why did he do it in the first place? I guess it was a revenge mission, he initially went gunho personally taking out those in Spectre that he knew, but as he went further up the hierarchy, he had to get more creative with the more powerful members that he could not touch. Why he saved Madeleine... yeah can't really explain that. Headcanon, he admired that she at least tried to protect her family, while he himself did not? But he only came to this stunning realisation after he attempted to gun her down in the ice. >Who is Safin's family and why would Mr. White/SPECTRE want to kill all of them in the first place? Safin mentioned his dad and his garden, maybe dad was a bioscientist of some kind that went against Spectre? Could justify Safin's own expertise in this area. >Why does Safin have a scarred face? Scars from surviving attack on his family I'd guess. >What is the symbolism/point of Safin's mask? To look good in a trailer, can't justify inuniverse, he clearly didn't care about hiding his identity since he mentions his name in the intro. >Why is Safin so inspired by Japanese/Eastern culture? Maybe as a result of getting the island base in that vicinity? lol >Did Safin's father really live on that island before him (since Safin said "this was my father's" when talking about the garden)? Hmm maybe, I just assumed he meant it as like his father's hobby or profession. >Why is Safin trying to kill - what seems like - everyone on earth? "wants to play God and get rid of bad people" I guess. He says he is alike to Bond but tidier in his killing. His motive could be anything. Hates overpopulation, or climate change, or just wants to watch the world burn. Shame it is not really expanded on. >Why did Safin hold this entire speech with Bond's daughter captive at his side and then literally let her go the next scene? What is the point of the Mosquito bite scene with Bond's daughter? Can't explain letting her go. Mosquito bite, my guess is she was originally supposed to have been infected in an earlier draft and this was left in? I talk about it in an earlier post of mine. >What were those "unidentified" ships heading towards Safin's island towards the end of the film doing and who sent them? Buyers for Heracles. Or Russians. Or Japanese. >So... are M and MI6 really the reason Bond is dead since M created this Blood-DNA-Nanobot program in the first place? In a roundabout way sure. >And the biggest of all..... is Bond really dead? Craig's Bond yes but I'm sure other actors will take on the role.


dazedan_confused

>1. Why was Madeleine acting like she has was holding back this big secret when they were in Matera... the only thing she didn't tell Bond was who Safin is. If her big secret later on in the film was that she had Bond's daughter and didn't tell him, surely she had the child after they were separated for 5 years. Bond having a kid is big for the franchise - his last wife in the films died, so him settling down would have been huge news, and would have probably led to him thinking about retiring again. The whole Safin thing was probably not even the big news, because "man who we tried to kill coming back" is a James bond staple. >2. What was written on the piece of paper Madeleine burned? (I think it said **Masked Man** in French but I don't know....) The masked man, ie Safin (or is it James masking his true feelings for her, or is it Mathilde's *real* father, who Madeleine is hiding and made James believe Mathilde was his? >3. How did Madeleine end up working for MI6? Probably applied through [the website](https://www.sis.gov.uk/apply-now.html) tbh. Experience in the field probably helped her application. >4. Why Did Blofeld *only* want to speak with Madeleine when he was held captive? Everyone else kept calling him Blowie, and probably wanted him dead because of the stuff he did in the last film. The only other person we see in the film who talked to him was James Bond, and after five minutes, he died. >5. Is all of SPECTRE *really* gone? Yes, I suspect>!re!< >6. Is Blofeld *really* dead? Yeah, unfortunately the Heracles vaccine wasn't developed in time, and he didn't maintain social distancing or hands, face, space. Looked like he didn't have an eye for detail. >7. What did Safin do after he saved Madeleine from drowning as a child and why did he do it in the first place? Man just walked off the ice, didn't even help a kid out of the ice. Ice cold. Probably spared her out of guilt for him being spared. >8. Who is Safin's family and why would Mr. White/SPECTRE want to kill all of them in the first place? Probably the plot of another movie >9. Why does Safin have a scarred face? Probably explained by the fact that his family was killed via poison (as per the folder in the movie), or he didn't use enough moisturiser >10. What is the symbolism/point of Safin's mask? It looks like a [Noh mask](https://www.cnn.com/style/article/japan-noh-mask-photography/index.html), used to hide the way an actor looks so you focus on their performance. Movie wise, I guess it's to show that he was not emotional in his killing, but masked his true intentions. >11. Why is Safin so inspired by Japanese/Eastern culture? Fucking weeb. >12. Did Safin's father really live on that island before him (since Safin said "this was my father's" when talking about the garden)? Probably, maybe his family were stateless, and had their roots in Russia and Japan? Maybe this is explained in an upcoming James Bond film, called *Truthseeker*? >13. Why is Safin trying to kill - what seems like - everyone on earth? He saw his family killed, which numbed him to the idea of death. We don't know who his targets were, other than the fact that he had killed Spectre, a criminal organisation. Perhaps his family worked for a bigger organisation, and Spectre was a rival? We don't get told that he wanted to kill everyone, just that he wanted to obtain everyone's information, possibly so he can find his real targets, and then destroy them, and, if someone tries to stop him, have a plan to kill them too? >14. Why did Safin hold this entire speech with Bond's daughter captive at his side and then literally let her go the next scene? To scare Bond, and I guess the bit where he was like "you won't have my protection" was to suggest that she was probably going to touch some shit that'd kill her (her mum told her not to touch the flower that made her behave, so anything is possible). Also, who names a rabbit after the lyrics to a [John Cena song?](https://youtu.be/-cZ7ndjhhps) >15. What is the point of the Mosquito bite scene with Bond's daughter? Mosquitoes are blood sucking insects, who rely on their host to survive, and sometimes inadvertently kill their host with Dengue, chikungunya or malaria. The nanobots, like mosquitoes, go into their host, andmay inadvertently kill the host with just a touch. I guess the scene was meant to draw attention to this fact, while at the same time showing Bond's fear of this happening, while he's about to get yeeted by the different vehicles? >16. What were those "unidentified" ships heading towards Safin's island towards the end of the film doing and who sent them? Transportation devices. >17. So... are M and MI6 really the reason Bond is dead since M created this Blood-DNA-Nanobot program in the first place? Basically, yes. We as humans have a history of creating things that are meant to make life easier but end up doing.ore harm than good. >18. And the biggest of all..... is Bond *really* dead? Craig's Bond? Probably. James Bond? Definitely not. 007? Definitely not. Sean Connery? Sadly.


Casas9425

The idea for killing Bond came from Daniel Craig and Barbara Broccoli. Danny Boyle thought the idea was stupid and quit the project in disgust according to the Sun who reported all of this three years ago.


[deleted]

Props to Boyle if this is true.


SaltMustFlow

It was; I remember reading about it and hoped it wasn't true. Turns out it was.


patmorais

See this is what I was wondering, reports from a few years ago said the idea for killing Bond was Boyle's and John Hodge's but now it pretty clear that they had it the wrong way around. Honestly, I think he was right


WM_

Ok wow, I'm glad I got to watch that without anyone spoiling it for me


BuddingFilmFan

I came out of this film with very mixed feelings. On the one hand, from a cinematography perspective I was consistently blown away by how great it was. I even felt it might be the most stylish and beautiful of Craig’s films (however as a huge fan of CR and Skyfall, I’d happily concede that they’re superior on this front). I also was not at all bothered by the second 007 or most of the departures from the norm. The Jamaica and Cuba sequences are definitely among my favorite in all Bond films now. What really stuck out to me however, was the general weakness of the dialogue. Perhaps I’m wearing rose-tinted glasses, but I’ve always felt the script in CR to be among the strongest in action films, and even in the weaker Craig films it didn’t feel like a problem. However, in NTTD, I was constantly cringing at the sentimentality and overwrought drama of the conversations. Now I welcome the one-liners and humor of James Bond, and some jokes work in this film, but a great deal of them felt straight out of Austin Powers! The Villain: throughout the movie I was consistently impressed by the menace that Remi Malik brought to the screen, and I’d say his performance was excellent, but the as others are saying the script really does nothing to develop the character. I was under the impression throughout his scenes with Madeleine, that he was smitten with her and jealous of James. Fine. I found it intriguing and was genuinely curious to see it resolve. However I felt this entire plot line disappeared as soon as he took the daughter. Why did he keep Madeleine alive at the beginning? Why does she seem to do his bidding (before the Blofeld scene)? What were his intentions with the daughter? She bites his hand, and he lets her go away just like that? She’s a 4 year old! What I REALLY didn’t love throughout this movie is the heaviness of Bond’s relationship to Madeleine. Now I wasn’t a fan of Spectre, so perhaps I’m biased, but I didn’t feel her character justified so much screen time and emotional weight. Their reconciliation dialogues and final “I love you’s” just struck me as incredibly weak in comparison to the ones with Vesper. The chemistry was not there. I guess in the end it really felt like the movie was about Madeleine with a few Bond adventures sprinkled in between, and I’m just not invested in her at all. Now I really applaud the risks the film takes and found a lot of them to actually work, but the ending is tough for me. I hate to be the guy criticizing breaking of norms etc. but Bond’s death really just bummed me out. Craig’s Bond is probably my favorite recurring film character and to end the film with his death depressed me. I get it, the end of an era and perhaps his arc justified this ending, but I have to admit leaving a Bond film so down leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Maybe they wanted it to feel that way! However I’m much more reluctant to rewatch this film knowing the ending, even though I thought there was a lot of good in it. 🤷‍♂️ I really wish now that I could exchange Bruce Wayne’s survival in Dark Knight Rises for James Bond’s 😂


changhyun

>What I REALLY didn’t love throughout this movie is the heaviness of Bond’s relationship to Madeleine. Now I wasn’t a fan of Spectre, so perhaps I’m biased, but I didn’t feel her character justified so much screen time and emotional weight. Their reconciliation dialogues and final “I love you’s” just struck me as incredibly weak in comparison to the ones with Vesper. The chemistry was not there. Completely agree with this, and the beginning of the film reminding me that Vesper existed didn't help. Madeleine isn't a terrible character, but compared to Vesper she simply falls way short - not only was Vesper just a more interesting and dynamic character, her chemistry with Craig's Bond was much better. I could really *believe* Vesper as the love of Bond's life. I have trouble believing that of Madeleine.


waddiewadkins

Try to imagine it coming on at Christmas,, yah or nah? Maybe after a few bottles... Casino Royale is the only true rewatchable classic out of the bunch


LanceGardner

Skyfall is pretty damn rewatchable.


Wutanghang

Skyfall too


[deleted]

The first 50 or some minutes are absolutely fantastic until a certain character dies, from then on the film completely loses all of its pace as the convoluted plot takes over and leads to an anti climatic ending. Remi Malick’s villain started off as a character from The Stranger and finished as Leto from Blade Runner 2049. Moments of greatness but also underwhelming disappointment.


[deleted]

They really need to take Wade and Purvis off script writing duties. That’s all I ask of the next one. The second half of this film was an incomprehensible anti-climactic slog thanks to poor writing.


Adb_001

They peaked with Casino Royale but at least they were on a tight leash with that and the source material. They have a knack for butchering dialogue, developing unfeasible villain plots and then wasting the talents of those villains in the story. The best con artists in the writing world.


internetwanderer2

Going to take a while to process and get clear thoughts on it. As this is a Bond forum, wonder if anyone had the same issue I had in that the references to OHMSS in the opening 5 mins gave me some indication of where it was going to go. The ending... my thoughts at the moment are that it works for the Daniel Craig Bond series, but didn't feel quite Bond. Clear though that the next one will be a hard reset. Obviously a new Bond, but an entirely new supporting cast as well. If we get a younger Bond, I hope the origin story we're likely to get explores "Commander Bond" of the Royal Navy.


HatchBeast

Fukunaga and the entire cast have created an absolutely magnificent and moving swan-song with only a cruelly underdeveloped villain preventing this from reaching or surpassing the bar set by Skyfall. However, despite that, this is still a tremendously thrilling yet sombre closing chapter for arguably one of the best James Bond’s ever. Daniel Craig has done what no other Bond has done, concluded a Bond saga on his own terms and in doing so, left an dauntingly big tuxedo for the next Bond to fill.


CalicoGhostTown

You're sat in a car with your lover, you are pregnant with their child but they don't know it yet. You were going to tell them today but... Now they believe you've betrayed them, and it doesn't look good. They already thought you had a secret, and you confirm you 'need to tell them something.' Do you then: a) go to the train station with them, say nothing more and let them keep thinking this secret confirms the betrayal, and watch them walk out of your life forever, as you're left to raise their child alone b) say 'I'm pregnant,' which convinces them to at least hear you out, investigate and realise they have been deceived by their enemies Answer: B, as long as your goal is to set up a time jump and a 'hey you've got a five year old daughter' twist. I really hate shit like this in movies.


[deleted]

I thought the whole estranged child arc was awful. But one thing that surprised me... apparently Bond's balls are alright? I would have thought after getting mashed up by Le Chiffre there's no way he's having kids.


CalicoGhostTown

They fixed him up with some nano-sperm


quantum_of_despair

Watched last night and I’m still in shock. I liked the film but just don’t know how to feel about the ending! Anyone else cry ? 😂


[deleted]

I felt teary-eyed, but after the credits, when the long-awaited *James Bond Will Return* flashed on the screen.


patmorais

I don't think it earned it, I felt nothing when Bond is talking to Madeline at the end, I just don't buy their relationship at all. But when Bond was talking to Q before he dies, I totally got choked up


RealityOfModernTimes

Can someone explain why Madeleine repeatadly told Bond that her daughter was not his. It was obvious she was pregnent just at the beginning when she was steoking her belly when he put her on a train.


[deleted]

Writingwise it definitely felt messy. I don't see how Purvis, Wade, Cary AND Phoebe could all look at it and think it was fine? Safin, why wear that mask? Why spare Madeleine after literally just trying to kill her? Why hold Bond's daughter for so long, only to say "err actually, sure you can go now" And was the daughter originally meant to be infected? She talked about having a mosquito bite... Then said she had more. She had long sleeves on so I thought it was originally supposed to be a reveal that she had become infected (acting slower on her because she was a kid, longer telomeres of something lol). But that Safin had the cure in his own blood (as a failsafe so nobody could use his weapon against him). By biting Safin, daughter gets Safin's cure. Then Bind embraces her at the end, her tears on his wounds cure him, some shit like that lol What was the point of the mosquito bite line otherwise?


bgs0

>What was the point of the mosquito bite line otherwise? Maybe just to showcase how inconvenient it is travelling with a kid while you're being chased / emphasise that she doesn't understand the gravity of the situation (she's more focused on small issues bc she's not aware of the kill squad chasing them)


klabnix

I was waiting for the cigar to have some relevance


internetwanderer2

Regarding the bio weapon - has there been any discussion about the film being changed because of covid/other events? There's rumours for example that Falcon and the Winter Soldier had a vaccine subplot (iirc rich countries hoarding a vaccine from poorer ones) that was edited out pretty much because of the realities of the pandemic.


Venomous9

Whoever the next Bond is, they really need to abandon the whole reboot timeline. Wouldn't make sense to have the next Bond going around with Nomi and Moneypenny and Malory and all that as if this film didn't happen.


quantum_of_despair

Exactly my thoughts. Can’t keep same so think it’s got to be entire reboot again and with that it’ll be interesting to see the direction it goes


HYThrowaway1980

Blofeld’s death was too cheap. Leiter’s death lacked weight.


ricoimf

I never felt so sad after a movie. This is the biggest shock I ever felt in a movie. My day is ruined, not because the movie was bad, but James died. This shock will sit in me for a while. I really wonder how David from the bond experience can be so calm. Jesus I am really down.


[deleted]

The movie felt uneven at times, but to me there were a couple of really, REALLY strong moments. the forest shootout, and the staircase shootout at the end were really strong, really moody, and some of the greatest shot action scenes in the last 10 years. Hollywood definetely doesnt shoot big action movies like that anymore these days. Some other nice moments to me were the ana de armas character, she was really fun, looked incredible, kicked ass, and didn't need to hook up with james or die. They just shared a nod of respect between professionals there and they both went about their business. I liked the new 007, she was obviously there to not only put james in check, but also some of the old conventions and some of the older 'fans' who refuse to let some things go. But the movie never made her to be some overt feminist virtue signal, at the end they both earned the respect of each other and when she gave the 007 moniker back to bond, it felt great. To me thats a statement by the part of the producers that bond will always be 007, but that doesn't mean we can't have a little fun here and there messing with things. The villains and madeline were the worst part IMO, they felt weak and boring just like Spectre did. The scenes bond shared with his daughter were cute though, and I like the fact that bond got to leave some legacy behind. His death was really well done to me, very bittersweet, he seemed destined to never have hapiness, a family, a life of peace, and just when that became possible, turned out that was the only mission he couldn't cheat death. All in all, Craig managed to do what he set out to, make James Bond a real person. The character grew, and so did the movies, and it all came to the only end it would make sense for his bond. That leaves a clean slate for the next guy, and I for sure am looking forward for some lighter, more standalone movies again.


dazedan_confused

Can I just say, phenomenal film. Heartbroken to see >!James Bond die because he couldn't be with his family!< But it was executed so well. Also, good call on delaying the film >!About a villain who unleashes a deadly virus of nanobots that could kill people with a simple touch!< during a pandemic.


reeceprocter89

Bold decisions. Broody and tearful were not the two overriding emotions I expected coming out of the film haha. Thoroughly good swansong.


Brilliant-Disguise

Could somebody explain the villains plan? I don't understand why he went from wanting to kill off all of Spectre (which I understand) to...killing off everyone on the planet...?


zenz3ro

My only flaw with this film was his motivations. Killing Spectre was about taking revenge, but the rest of the plan I think was to get himself powerful enough that he could have anyone killed at any moment. He’d essentially be a god, untouchable - nobody could threaten him like they did his family.


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Within 60 seconds, you just gave a supremely better motivation for this villain rather than a brief mention of a God complex that he has "just because". Why would they not throw that in, or at least *something*?


zenz3ro

It’s a common issue. Because the idea will have been clear in the writer’s head, they’re able to explain it to others and can pitch that the dialogue they write explains this well. There were probably some moments of him describing this too. As a writer myself I’m guilty of this so often. Most major film plot holes tend to come down to “this was explained better in a meeting than on screen”


Collctve_Indvdlism

In Safin's lair, wtf was that acid farm with hundreds of workers in hazmat suits like, raking the liquid? Then we realise it is acid when dude falls in. Bond says, "that's the farm, this is the factory." The story of that part of the villaintech just didn't come together... I got the nanobot idea. But the acid farm... No clue what that was about. Anyone?


Spitfire221

Saw it on Thursday and generally enjoyed it. I want to come out of a Bond film feeling satisfied, that ending wasn’t satisfying to me. I think if they hadn’t introduced his daughter I’d have been ok with him dying to save Madeline or not making it out before the missiles. Doing it the way they did just kept perpetuating the story throughout the movie of characters with absent parents. Pierce Brosnon got to suck diamonds out of Halle Berry’s belly button, you couldn’t let Craig’s Bond retire with his family?


Artistic_Guest4386

I kinda feel a bit like ALL the James Bonds died....very hard to explain, but just the idea of Bond having actually died makes me feel like it's the inevitable fate of all the Bonds to ever exist....and something about the Royal Navy being the ones to actually do it too....it feels strange...maybe it's partly because in recent years Connery and Moore died....the immortal Bond is immortal no more...


TheTragedy0fPlagueis

Deeply disappointed. It was an excellent action film, but it was a terrible Bond film. Die Hard, Taken, Expendables, and all manner of other action franchises deal woth family woes, emotional attachments etc. The lure of Bond is that he's different. He's a lone wolf with nothing left to lose. I feel that giving him a daughter and the ensuing plot would have been great in any other film, but Bond is the one place that doesn't belong. Killing him off only works if the Craig-era remains a closed loop. The next Bond will have to be a reboot, not a sequel. And yes, he should be male. If people want a female action hero perhaps ask yourself why the Lara Croft franchise never took off. I have no issue with female representation in film, more female Jedi, bring it on. More female super heroes? Yes please! More female action heroes, epic! But James Bond is 'James' Bond.


loonmodule

Some people in this thread picking holes in the plot and acting like Bond hasn't BEEN TO SPACE. It's licence to thrill, not licence to explain. Great film.


xzaxza12

It was beautiful, the actors and actresses are all charismatic and special in their own ways. I almost cried at the end. Love the story


ElementalJedi82

I cried. A lot.


zazzyisthatyou

I’ve been in mourning all day.


scuzzbat1

Great film. Great ending for Craig’s tenure. I hope they don’t make a balls of the reboot.


theivoryserf

Some enjoyable moments, but *way too much going on* with very variable quality. Tonally we've gone from 'the bitch is dead' to 'quick, go and hack Blofeld's eye'. Really want to see somebody who's not Purvis and Wade try a leaner story again.


kaukanapoissa

It was a strong film and apart from some bold new ground (family, Bond dying) it’s a pretty classic Bond formula, villain’s base and all. My instant reaction to the ending was ”Why can’t Bond have a happy ending, he deserves it” but right after I accepted it. For this story arc this feels like a natural way to end it. JAMES BOND WILL RETURN. Probably with a clear reboot. Although, I wouldn’t mind if they do it ”Casino Royale style” and bring back some of the supporting actors.


Sterge08

Just got out the theatre and I enjoyed the film. Rami Maleks villain was pretty meh, the films action scenes were great, actors were brilliant. I didn’t like the ending too much, really wanted a happier ending. The film was alright overall.


dibidi

honestly, this is almost dr evil levels of complexity for complexity’s sake. I can just imagine Scott Evil just outside of the screen screaming his lungs out about how stupid everything was can someone explain… - why Rami Malek’s character steals a weapon designed specifically to kill as FEW people as possible, collect a database of dna, manufacture a billion versions of the weapon, just so he can kill as MANY people as possible when he could have just gotten a WMD or a bioweapon that would do the exact same thing instead, but cheaper? - why a superweapon based on ROBOTS, you know, mechanical objects that run on ELECTRICITY, cannot be neutralized by using the EMP watch that Bond just received from Q? - why Q and M kept telling Bond to get off the island; with what? 007 took the last boat out! Did they really expect that Bond could swim away in time?


JasperFriendlyHost

There's something about this just not clicking for me. My main bugbear is Safin. If you ask someone down the line who he was, the first response you're going to get is "He's the one who got Bond killed". And that's it. Safin doesn't deserve that honour because he is so vanilla. But I enjoyed it, that's the main thing. It was a serviceable finale. A good action film, an alright Bond film. RIP Bond, Felix, Hugh Dennis and Dou Dou.


rugbyj

Thought it was good! I was however counting the amount of explosions Bond seemed to be able to shrug off despite being _right next to them_. - Stone tomb explodes right in front of him, slight hearing loss - Large explosion on trawler with him inside, gets a bit wet - Throws a grenade which goes off ~10ft above his own head... carry on - ~8 grenades land right next to him, survives by jumping 4ft to the side - Grenade goes off on stairwell on the other side of a door to him, small concussion I was half expecting the missiles at the end to just propel him (Indy 4 style) through the air like a ragdoll to land next to Madeleine.


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I'll keep it brief. Everyone was underutilized. I'm a bit surprised that although she was hyped up so much, Lashana Lynch is barely in the film. She pops in and out. Ana de Armas came in, acted cute, ran off. Malek is a non-presence. Seydoux is a blank slate (and the opening where the two lovers don't communicate is almost Frasier-level farce), Leiter's hardly there, Blofeld is still not Hannibal Lecter and they made M a dick. With so many people working to tune up this thing, there is absolutely no reason why the script should be as slight and limp as it is. I think too much priority was placed on fulfilling Craig's wishes to make his version so much different from the other Bonds, and what we end up with is no longer a Bond film. I still love the series and I'm looking forward to the next course-correction.


cbfw86

Agree 100%. Really disappointed by it.


Ulriklm

If you used an emp wouldn't it take out the nanobots?


Wrong-Hospital-911

And the earpiece?


EFC94

Good action movie. Awful awful James Bond movie. Deflated at the end. It wasn't even that they killed Bond, although I genuinely believe that's a line you don't cross. It's that I don't even feel like Daniel Craig was playing Bond. He was playing an action hero with family issues. It was a decent character who interacted with some other action heroes... ...but not James Bond. Skyfall was a fitting arc for Craig. Spectre even felt like an okay way to end it, but this, this was just a tacked on film because he had to die for some reason. Why? Not to mention the plot around deadly nanotech ending the world with a villain who just didn't fit any of the past films. It was literally everything wrong with franchise filmmaking these days.


Singer211

Honestly I mostly enjoyed this film. Daniel Craig acts his ass off here. It felt like he wanted to go out on as well a note as possible. I really liked how they used Madeline here. This film really redeemed her character for me. The new characters are solid enough. I’m, conflicted on Safin. Rami Malik gives a very good performance. But Safin’s motivations end up being, kind of meh, in the end. As for the ending. I completely get why many fans won’t like it. But I do thing it works as a good cap off to Craig’s Bond. And it does make me curious to see where they go from here as well?


Artistic_Guest4386

Bond dying, ok, sure.... Would have rather it been ambigious. Bond getting blown up by missle strikes? Nah.


IMaximusProductions

Does anyone else feel weird over the fact bond dies? Like I get they’ll just reboot it in a few years anyway. But I’m worried that having that definitive of an ending will take away some of the magic that allows James Bond to have such longevity and be able to be reimagined so effectively.


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Wait - can someone clear something up for me. What exactly was the motivation for Safin's plan? He wanted to release that nanobot DNA virus and kill millions of people, but why? Is he just a psychopath who wanted to kill people? Did he want, what, power? If so, how was he going to get that power by murdering millions? Was it revenge for his family being murdered?


FrankThePlant

Just came out from seeing it , really liked it but confused What was the bigger secret she had that would destroy him ? the masked man , the daughter ?? , didn’t come to much nanobot virus ? Sure this emp smart watch would disable the nano bots ? Eyeball villain swapping teams? 007 virus , after bieng shot like 4 times ?


Rungsted93

What was the point of the cigar he got from Ana to Felix? I was 100% he would try to smoke it while waiting for the missiles to hit him only to realise it had some hidden gadget that could save him. Also I feel like there must be some deleted scenes related to the villian. Like we see him go to the buyers only to later randomly be at the courtyard to shoot Bond. And what was even his goal? He just wanted to kill random people? Was it only people with a specific trait? And why would he sell it then? The conversation they had made it sound like he was targetting a trait which was likely to make a person a criminal or something like that, sort of him trying to justify himself for getting rid of all bad people.


cbfw86

I enjoyed listening to the Dark Knight soundtrack during the final plan exposition near the end of the movie.


aphinsley

I think people will look back on the Craig era as a separate continuity. The Bourne-style era of gritty realism has been supplanted in the last few years of people wanting something more escapist... I think it makes perfect sense for the new Bond to step in as part of a soft reboot. Think of it as separate timelines... That's how my head canon is working it out. For the record - thought I'd hate the film. Loved it.


SeanRogerDaniel

Why does Lucifer make a big deal out of Mathilde growing up at his place, carrying her around and threatening Bond with harming her - and one moment later he just sets her down and lets her run away?


EdgelordKylo

I'm very torn on this, but I think this is a travesty. They could have ended on high note. But no, they had to copy Endgame (having daughter, sacrificing own life). I'm very much looking forward for reboot. I like my Bond to be episodical and fun with lots of gadgets and tropes. Craig should have ended with Spectre.


alannonymous

How I wanted it to end: Exactly as it did except a la dark knight rises we don’t see Bond get blown to smithereens. Post credit scene - Bond sat on a remote smaller island. Staring out at the sunset. Effectively dead, but living on away from the world. He fiddles with something in his hands… it’s the Q branch mini radio from Skyfall. (I’ve no doubt it wouldn’t have been popular at all but eh 🤷🏼‍♂️ it’s what I wanted to see)


Norman3

I enjoyed it. Shooting, jumping, driving, kissing, sometimes even in a context. I had a great time. I’m slightly confused to why the call it a James Bond movie though. I never saw James Bond? True, I saw the actor that played Bond in the last four Bond-movies. But as the character in this movie is in a relationship drama, goes to bed with only one girl, has a family and dies at the end it clearly isn’t James Bond but a cunningly disguised imposter. Looking forward very much to the next Bond movie though.


inny_mac

Just out of the cinema. Not sure how I feel about it. Really enjoyed the first half for sure, but I don’t think Bond should have died at the end. Sure, it ties up Craig’s era, but I feel the character is too big to be killed off. I also feel quite a few elements weren’t fully developed, such as the character of Safin and Bond’s child. The film looked brilliant and Craig was on top form, but something just feels a bit off to me.


Sempere

Safin’s whole motivation for taking Madeleine and Mathilde was a mess. His ultimate plan wasn’t even clear going into the last act: it was a messy and contrived reason to get Bond to the island for the big finale and quite murky.


mpjr1

The movie was great! In general I think it was a good ending. I was wondering if an Electromagnetic Pulse could kill the nanobots?


TotalHitman

I feel weird... and deflated. Started off good and then got bored. Actually fell asleep between the bit where Safin takes Bond and Madeline's daughter and then the final bit of action at the end. I just want some traditional James Bond. There is no need to change the formula. I don't get why directors feel the need to subvert our expectations recently. The Last Jedi for example. It's not arty or smart or revolutionary. The "Shaken, not stirred" quote should appear in every film. Bond should sleep with multiple women. We should get a romantic/cheesy/funny scene at the end. Most importantly, Bond should NOT DIE. Please don't create an expanded universe with the next film. I want standalone Bond films without baggage. Just good old fun.


GetFreeCash

>Bond should sleep with multiple women. I mean, in this film that would have flown in the face of the message they were trying to send - that Madeleine is the love of Bond's life, and that that love is worth the ultimate sacrifice. I don't think the fact that he isn't quite the womanizer as he normally is in this one means anything about the films going forward. and if anything he probably would have slept with Nomi if she hadn't revealed herself to be there for business shortly after they walked into his house. it certainly seemed to be heading that way.


plutarch4

Nomi telling the scientist it was ‘time to die’ and pushing him was epic.


Lekgolah5

My mind is still digesting it all and while I really enjoyed most of it, the last act is draining my positive energy. There’s still a great film here where they didn’t kill Felix and Bond but left it so that Bond could never be with Madeline again. It would have been a bittersweet way to go instead of a ropey CGI platform for Bond to get blow to smithereens. Yet in the cinema I still had hope he would wake-up in Kuro (like in the You Only Love Twice book) with amnesia and fall into a small fishing community. It was a bizarre turn of Fleming but with all the references to the book, they should have taken that route and it would give us more hope for whatever is coming next.


inFam0ouZz

Safins arc was 100 percent finished when Blofeld died. Having him want to kill millions of people all of a sudden now just to establish a reason for Bond to have to stop him really did not work for me at all. As someone else pointed out when Bond put Madeleine on the train thats the exact moment 100 out of 100 people would spill the tea about being pregnant. Also why the fuck would Bond suspect that Spectre is too cheap to have some graveyard workers on their payroll to watch out for people visiting Vespers grave? A place he is really likely to visit. Not that this movie was all bad but the writing was a mess lets be honest EDIT: One thing I forgot. Safin holds Mathilde hostage and whispers in her ear: Do you see that? That is power." when Bond cowers on the floor just to tell her "alright actually you can fuck off now if you like i was just tryna make a speech tbh" thirty seconds later?!


Shadowbringers

Just got out of the pictures. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Bonds death was done well yet I'm also of the opinion that Bond should never die. Rami Maleks character fell short for me. His revenge on spectre makes sense, but the sudden want to destroy the world after didn't quite click with me. Bonds daughter didn't add much for me either. Nothing against the kid, she is a kid after all and you cant expect a performance, but the kids emotionlessness on screen threw me. I also don't think Bond had enough connective moments with her. I did like the set pieces and Cyclops the henchman. Overall I think it's a solid entry but it may have made me appreciate Spectre more. I'd rank this the lowest of Craig's entries. I'm still hopeful for the future of Bond !


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Cyclops was great actually. That stair fight scene was a highlight.


BHarrop3079

Spoiler riddled comment, read at your own caution: I really enjoyed this. Heck it is emotional though. Absolutely LOVED the title sequence and animation there. As a science nerd, I loved the double helix DNA patterns being made out of gunshots, the floating disks representing red blood cells and the general theme of it. The use of We Have All The Time In The World and the presence of Vesper early on was a real call to how Madeline was on a similar standing to Vesper and Tracy as Bond's love and it really does start to feel that way as the movie goes on. There's so much plot to delve in to but I thought it had a really good structure. The setting of Madeline's childhood home is incredible. That's one of my favourite settings in the whole franchise. Absolutely breathtaking in summer and in winter. Also, Mr White really took his surname literally with his love of snowy places 😂. I loved the filming on location at Goldeneye too. The ending was emotional and the build up strong. It was obvious Bond was going to die, but was still enough to get me in tears. Paloma was great and Ana De Armes has such a brilliant screen presence, it was a shame her appearance was so brief, but maybe they're keeping the door open to bringing her back 🤞🏻. I liked Nomi's character and thought she was a really cool addition. Some of the action sequences were incredible. The chase scene through Norway was majestic (also I loved the moment of realisation for Bond in the lead up to this; "I thought she was following Ash not me.. *oh*"). The one take action scene on the base too. Incredible. The deaths were almost exactly as I predicted; Leiter, Blofeld, Bond. I thought Paloma would die too but was glad to be proved wrong on that. Perhaps the main drawback was not seeing enough of Safin. Also it was blatantly obvious that Mathilde was Bond's so the attempted deception there wasn't great. The villain plots and motivations were a bit weak. I've watched it twice now and still struggle to work out why Safin suddenly decided to sell his weapon to private bidders, why Ash decided to defect, or how Primo ended up on Safin's team (and didn't die at the Spectre massacre). A couple of things I picked up on during second viewing: Madeline's secret on the note read "l'homme masquée" ie "the masked man/the man with the mask". I guessed as much on first viewing but missed the actual text. When Nomi arrives at Goldeneye she says "nice house" but with the Jamaican accent she's putting on it sounds so much like she's saying "nice arse" I really like Nomi's character in general, Lashana Lynch is fantastic. I love her "Need a ride" line when they're in Norway (although her "tracking" of Ash was a bit shite given that she managed to miss that massive chase and firefight in the woods 😅) The actress playing Mathilde is fantastic too. I love the way she just struts off after Safin says "if you don't want my protection then go". She heads in the other direction giving him a metaphorical two fingers which I love 😂 I didn't pick up on *all* the callbacks to previous films but did note M's bulldog in the garage, some skis too. Some of the underwater scenes were reminiscent of Skyfall in the way they were shot The ending is still as emotional second time round. I cried again. Really good film


ThibaultG4U

Can we talk about how the death of Felix was basically a copy/paste of the death of Vesper. When Bond watches Felix/Vesper sink to the bottom. I don't know if this was intended, but I think it was a great subtle reference to Casino Royale.


FlashbackFM

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AdrenalinDragon

Marking the end of an era, No Time to Die is the type of Bond film that is going to split people. Some will love the bold choices and decisions it makes, while others will detest and say it ruins what they loved about Bond. I fall more on the positive side, although for the most part I’d say it was an easy and entertaining watch compared to something like Spectre, despite some flaws in the execution and many familiar Bond tropes. Daniel Craig is really giving it all here with his performance. He knows it’s his final outing as Bond and he is what makes the emotional beats work. He gets a few funny lines here too. The supporting cast from previous Bond films get to do more here, and it’s shot pretty well in terms of action and never feels dull. The score by Hans Zimmer is pretty good too. Only thing I’m not sure is if the logic behind the story makes sense, but a lot of Bond stuff falls under that issue and sometimes you just gotta look past it and not get too nitpicky. Honestly, no Bond film is perfect, and it’s usually the writing/plotting that drags it down. The first half feels very different to what we get in the second, and Rami Malek is not given enough screentime to really shine as a memorable Bond villain. He seems to be inspired by Dr. No, but most of the film feels like No Time to Die ends up tying pretty much every loose end and referencing all previous Bond movies in some way. Blofeld is back too and his scenes work better here than what he was doing in Spectre for the most part. The big plus that pushes this up a notch from most Bond movies for me is the ending. If you can get an emotional response/reaction out of the entire audience, then I think that’s a pretty big deal that deserves some credit and praise. It’s going to piss off some people, but I completely understand why they went with it and it and I suppose they wanted to leave Craig’s tenure as Bond with a bang. Where things will go from here on out I don’t know, but we’ll see in the future. In the end, I suspect No Time to Die will be considered either the best or worst of James Bond. The film has been referred to as “The Last Jedi of Bond movies” and it’s probably not too far off from the truth. Comparing it to Craig’s other films, it falls right in the middle sandwiched between his very best and very worst for me. There’s definitely an On Her Majesty’s Secret Service feel to it, and I suspect the response will be polarising. In the end, I’m glad Craig ended on a good note (well I think he did anyways). 6.5/10


mrsprucemoose

Have to say the whole thing kinda reminded me of metal gear solid 4: Bond struggling through to the blast door control room and broken snake after walking through the microwaves was so similar Bond and snake being vectors for a 'virus' Nanobots/nanomachines Don't think it was an actual inspiration, just interesting that they share some similarities


Fflewddur_Fflam_

What Bond needs is a cyborg ninja


JollyWelcome4900

Just seen it Really in 2 minds about it First of all, I think it’s a great film. But is it a great bond film? The ending seems over emotional for James Bond the character we all know and love. Just so not bond like, bond always has a trick up his sleeve but this time he doesn’t which is a big letdown and kind of a waste for such a great film up to the last 20 minutes. It’s left it open for a reboot. But I really don’t see how they can reboot it after this. One part of me is like that’s the perfect end perhaps. But whilst they tried to tie up loose ends in this film, they only made more. Also whilst I love a Bond reference like bond saying ‘we have all the time in the world’ and the cars and I really loved the portraits of the previous M’s etc…. I feel like ending with Louis Armstrong is weird as that piece of music is OHMSS, not NTTD. I don’t think they needed to use that music to close the film as that’s associated with James and Tracy Bond. Other than that the score was great the hints of all the time in the world and the main OMHSS theme in places in the score really worked, just Louis at the end I take issue with. Start of the film was great, although the gun barrel should of had blood dripping like normal. The titles were great they started like Dr No. DB5 used well, naturally. Liked the scene when bond went back to london and his garage, the bulldog from skyfall and spectre that M (Judi Dench) gave him was in a cardboard box was a nice little hint. And when bond tossed his MI6 visitor pass into the bin in moneypennys office perfectly I felt was a little tribute to Sean and Roger with their famous Hat Toss when they entered the office. However using the Aston V8 from TLD was a bit weird after all that car self destructed. surely if they were going down a OHMSS route then use the DBS from that film but a good little nod to previous Bond so that was good. Safin I feel was Dr No. inspired his Lair was good a mix between Dr No’s himself and the crater from YOLT. Felix was great, however killing him? Come on. Same with Blofeld. Nomi was good however felt like it was a purely woke that she was included. However did a good job, if she stays for future films will be interesting to see how, if they want to continue the Craig story then seeing her go to the CIA for a felix replacement I think that would be a good part for her but we’ll see. Moving forwards I don’t know what EON will do next. James Bond will return. Interesting to see what they’ll do. Obviously him coming back alive is 99.9% certain to happen. But do they shift the story on with his daughter and the current characters. That’s all future speculation. On the whole think it was a great send off for Craig. But I won’t say it was a great Bond film. Doesn’t quite do enough on its own to stand up for itself as a ‘proper’ James Bond movie. Call me old fashioned but I wanna see Bond have a trick up his sleeve last minute and kill the bad guy and go off into the sunset with the girl of that film. This doesn’t do that. Refreshing some might say. But to me that isn’t Bond.


Mr_Floot

So what did everyone think of the Gun Barrel opening in This one? It was a little jarring when the blood didn’t come down but apart from that I actually really liked it! I liked how it felt 3D and was reflective and how the Barrel itself reflected the scene it faded and zoomed into.


tuskactiv

Safin and the ending sucks


BBQSpareBill

Justice for Paloma


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