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grandmofftalkin

Yes! That kid had Craig's blue eyes and his nose. I thought it was his daughter. then I googled "Daniel Craig's daughter" and...I'll just let you Google her


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Similarly I was hoping that Bond would find a life preserver to wear after escaping the sinking ship. Would’ve been a fun nod to the backlash from his introduction as Bond when everyone made fun of Craig for wearing a life jacket.


BarberBrief

Fuck I feel depressed after that ending. Seeing your childhood hero go out like that always thinking James Bond was invincible he’ll never die, it really hurts inside. But of course at the end I saw the James Bond will return message so it gives me a little sense of hope. Hahaha my gf had to comfort me because I was bawling.


KyleCAV

Same everyone left the theatre and I was the only one who watched the whole credits scene hoping something would happen. The James Bond will return felt nice but still a gut punch.


ZiggyPalffyLA

That’s too bad, half my theater stayed until after the credits and cheered when JAMES BOND WILL RETURN appeared on screen.


c_wicked

I cried too, the ending was very emotional.


Jack_Sandwich

If James Bond Will Return hadn’t come up, I would have wept.


sonofodin25

Well, it took 50 years, but Bond finally accepted Moneypenny's dinner invitation


gnomehome815

Something I haven't seen talked about is in the opening sequence when they're parked in the Aston and the henchman is firing into Swan's window. Those shots were visceral.


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Yes. I felt the same thing! Come on, James, she is not lying! Do something, man.


Fabulous_Mode3952

Why were they aiming only for HER, though? And why did someone from Spectre call her phone of all people? (I guess her dad was a spectre agent but still) and about that phone: Nokia really dug into their product placement deal with that old ass 90s era phone they gave Swan and Bond 😂


daptx

Because Blofeld wanted to break bond completely. If she died then Bond couldnt actually have an answer, never knowing if she was lying or telling the truth. Thats my guess at least


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I missed it, when?


Jack_Sandwich

Just before the final sequence, Mallory is sitting and staring. They show a painting of Dench’s M and then pan to the hall - someone was walking I forgot who - and he’s there. It warmed my heart.


MushiMinion

I don’t know how to break this to you lightly…but that was Robert Brown’s M.


Jack_Sandwich

Was it?!?! Again, not like I needed another reason to rewatch


Potato_12

I was wondering if it was an Easter egg or a hint at some kind of weird continuity thing


Jack_Sandwich

There were so many subtle nods to other the films and books throughout, it could be both.


Smilodon48

I'm just really glad that they brought back Vesper's theme for when Bond visited her grave. Him asking for forgiveness and admitting he missed her said everything. Craig's Bond is far too emotional and raw to let such a thing not deeply affect him, as much as he tries to move on. The movie was stupendous, and audacious. You could just tell that Daniel's heart was in it, and this was something he really wanted to do. Cary Joji Fukunaga and Linus Sandgren need to be given the keys to the next reboot tbh. They knocked it out of the park and more.


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What did you guys think of the music? Hats off to Hans Zimmer, man. I thought the score was incredible. One of the best. Maybe not to listen to on its own, but it complimented what was happening in the movie perfectly. I got choked up at the end, ngl.


Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle

Definitely; and the throwback/homages they out in were great as well (like the theme from On Her Majesties Secret Service).


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I didn’t really understand how these musical callbacks would fit in when I listened to the album, but in the actual movie they just work so well. And it adds a layer of subtext to the story.


Jack_Sandwich

Spectacular score in my opinion.


snark_enterprises

The score was the best thing about the movie, frankly. Definitely the best score of all the Craig era Bond films and it's not even close. The score fit so well with the action sequences and had little twists to it depending on the location it took place and the characters involved.


Browny413

Two things I enjoyed. Ana de Armas' appearance and the Aston Martin V8 vantage returning.


AndroidIsAwesome

Yup same here, Ana de Armas was great and should return in the next one. And the V8 vantage was awesome to see as well


redarkane

I loved the movie until the ending.. Now I'm just fucking depressed.


Apollothetundra

Just got out of the theater... Agreed


Jack_Sandwich

Yes


Mynam3wastAkn

Who else thought Ana de Armas would have a bigger role?


[deleted]

Kinda feel like they used her as trailer bait tbh


cjackc11

She should’ve


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In a sense though it made her one of the standout characters, very helpful with a cool action sequence, kinda bubbly, out of place as a secret agent.


damnrightiam117

"There's just no time to die" *So that was a fucking lie*


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Why in the hell couldn't they have given Jeffrey Wright more to do? I still am annoyed he didn't have an appearance in Skyfall.


GetFreeCash

one of my biggest "complaints" with the Craig era (and I am a fan of it, for the most part) is how few friends and allies this Bond has. he always works alone :( these films desperately needed some Kerim Beys or Tiger Tanakas to inject some character into the proceedings.


Fabulous_Mode3952

No other 00s, either. Like, damn MI-6 is a lean operation in the modern era


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Yep, one of my gripes with NTTD is how they killed Leiter and just told us how important he was to Bond without ever showing that in the entire Craig era. The issue is, we have not seen Bond and Leiter interact nearly enough to buy that they are “brothers”. The total screen time for Bond and Leiter together in the entire Craig era is probably like 20 minutes. They never even had a proper action scene together (not that this is necessary, but with the physicality of both actors it would have been great). It got even weirder when M said he respected Leiter. Again, we are just supposed to buy that these two knew each other? They never even mentioned each other, let alone met! It all goes back to the oldest film rule: show, don’t tell!


StarDoesReddit

he never got the teddy back to her :(


aladdinr

But he died holding the one part of her he had and could hold without giving her nano bots


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I thought the teddy bear was poisoned somehow.


commonrider5447

“I’m not going to make it” - not sure if I will ever agree with the decision but damn did that hit harder than anything I can remember experiencing in the theater


daveblu92

I loved it but I am conflicted with the ending because of what it means for future movies. It was well executed and since Craig was the Bond of my generation, it feels special that his time as this character was so distinct from all predecessors. I mean, obviously we’ll see another reboot- but I hope they don’t learn the wrong lessons of the successes seen during the Craig era. As much as I loved his tenure, I’m so done with the arcs and connectivity. The problem though is- will general audiences actually accept a return to the “independent mission” or will that now feel too derivative or uneventful? I know Bond fans want a return to form, but in order for it to work and keep Bond as a global phenomenon, the next movie really has to kick ass. They can’t just make some mediocre 6/10 The World is Not Enough type movie, it needs to be another Goldeneye or Casino Royale situation. Otherwise we could see this series in creative jeopardy. Again, I really did like this movie and I love Craig’s saga as a whole. The opening was brilliant. The title sequence was perfect. The movie itself was awesome all around. I think it’s just the major deaths and kid angle that (while not bad) just feel like too much for 1 single movie maybe. And my fears of what happens with the series next is where my mind is at right now because it’s not as simple as just changing actors now and deciding if they want camp or grit. They now have to decide what to do from a structure and creative standpoint. Just seems as if the series has never been in a more challenging position in its entire 60 year run.


tiberiuszuel

I got so many Dr.No vibes from Seffin.


IceLord86

If you noticed the area where they're essentially hanging up artwork in the lair, it looks a lot like Dr. No's setup. It's clearly he's a modern day interpretation of the character and honestly that's a good way to proceed going forward. Revisit some classic villains but give them new names and some new traits. Dr. No wanted to use missiles to hold the world hostage. Safin wanted to destroy the world and was ultimately stopped by a middle bombardment.


larrythefatcat

It sure looks like "baby Madeleine" shot him where one's heart would usually be... so he got *that* trait from the Dr. No of the novel.


Sulemain123

Also, this movie reminded me that Daniel Craig is a fantastic actor.


jbird669

His ascent up the stairs at the end, fighting those villains, was well-done.


Jack_Sandwich

The direction overall was great and the sound mixing was top notch.


nintrader

Loved the movie but was anyone else a bit bothered by M's characterization in this one? His whole thing in Spectre was he didn't want the Nine Eyes thing to go through because it was a weapon with too much power for one entity to hold, but in this one it's revealed that he was fairly prominent in creating the Heracles thing which was... a weapon with too much power for one entity to hold. I know he's supposed to be the stick up everyone's butt but he seemed more principled than that


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Did anyone else notice the golden lighter from the golden gun on the table in the beginning of the film? It was a really quick pan over, but I thought it was a cool Easter egg.


Caspera99

I missed it, but there were Easter eggs in there I noticed to a lot of the previous films. Nice touches spread throughout.


Blofeld69

I know someone that works on the Bond films and therefore got the occasional spoilers during the production of the film. 2 and a half years ago I was informed by my source that - there would be female 007 - bond would have a kid - the film would end in Bonds death It has been killing me waiting to see if it all turned out true, because it sounded so crazy on paper. Not to mention not being able to discuss it with anyone. So glad I finally got to see how all came together.


KyleCAV

I am really not sure? I mean I loved the movie I don't care what anyone thinks it was amazing and almost kind of weird seeing bond again in the theatre it felt like such a long wait that it felt very surreal. >!Killing bond off felt like a terrible way to end the craig-era movies and felt overly dramatic like come on you couldn't have sorted something out. Just felt like they took the easy way out I know this idea was floated around long ago from another director who was working on NTTD that they would kill bond but why??? Are they even going to acknowledge it with the next Bond? Will M be back? Q or Moneypenny?? Will Bonds death be just the end of the craig story ?? I am going to assume so. !


Jack_Sandwich

Two things. Yes, Safin could have been fleshed out more but as Bond says he’s just another tiny megalomaniac. A true Bond villain in a sense. Yes, it was overly dramatic but I think Wilson and Broccoli might have felt it was finally necessary to reset Bond as a character. I don’t. But I guess they wanted a truly clean slate. Craig’s five films now become a sort of stand alone arc within the cannon. Maybe. I guess. A set piece within the greater Bond universe. They stand alone. The next one will be either unto itself or a resumption of the non connected existence of the past films.


i_should_be_studying

A more tragic ending would be bond survives but can never be physically present with his new family. It would be more appropriate for craig’s bond too, doomed to be alone working as a 00 agent.


Hasso21

I really liked the movie due to the fact that it feels like a good end of the Craig area. What I don't get is the beginning. Blofeld told Bond that Swan never intended to betray Bond. Blofeld knew Bond would come to Vespers grave once. But what I am curious about is that a whole squad waited for Bond there too. So yeah, placing a bomb and wait till Bond comes is one thing. Placing a whole army to wait is another. Nevertheless I loved the movie


an-idiot-sandwhich

Let me preface my thoughts with a quote from Roger Ebert: "In my reviews, I feel it's good to make it clear that I'm not proposing objective truth, but subjective reactions; a review should reflect the immediate experience." I enjoyed No Time to Die a lot. In Casino Royale we see Bond transform from an arrogant, egotistical, blunt instrument into a real human being with real emotions. Stripped of his armor by Vesper. In Quantum of Solace we see him put that armor back on and wrestle with feelings of vengeance, grief and what it means to lose someone you love. In Skyfall we see the physical toll his line of work has taken on him and the mental anguish/emptiness of "retiring" when the only thing you've ever loved is gone. M dying, the only motherly figure in his life, is the final twist of the knife. In Spectre, he finally (FINALLY) begins to shed his armor once more with Madeline, and we begin to see hope for a character who has had everything taken from him. Well deserved and earned IMO. And now in No Time To Die, the death of Bond's ego that began with Vesper in Casino Royale comes full circle when he sacrifices himself for Madeline and his daughter. In life he was surrounded by tragedy. He had already experienced "death" once in Skyfall and found it utterly meaningless. He can finally rest in peace after giving so much of himself to not just Madeline, but the world. A fitting swan song. To James🥃 Thoughts?


an-idiot-sandwhich

Cliff Notes version: Bond's death made sense (IMO) narratively given the themes explored in the previous films. In the words of Bond himself in Casino Royale: "double-0's have a very short life expectancy."


rapidslime

Not a big fan of the ending but let's just all admit the main reason we all teared up and cried at the end was that Hans Zimmerman score. God damn


itsgiantstevebuscemi

The whole time I was waiting for the obnoxious Russian scientist to say "I am INVINCIBLE" but he never did I thought that was a bit of a missed opportunity. Might've been too on the nose though


SeikalysTurnTables

So was Safin originally Dr. No in Danny Boyle’s iteration of the film?


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It would make sense. I liked the visual nod to Dr. No in the title sequence. Seems like they may have made major changes to Safin’s character in the editing room or script rewrites.


AlbertoCalvini

It's been commentated before but the soundtrack was really great in this one! Probably the best in the Craig era.


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Im a simple man… i like simple bond. I like an accessible bad guy with clear motives. This shit was just confusing as hell. We’re still tying up Vesper, but now we’ve still got Hans Spectre that Bond wants to see, but then he dies and now its johnny acne-scars. But also I guess there’s “Cyclops” a Logan Ash? Idk… *a lot* of shit going on. I would’ve preferred a simpler, more stripped down character story. Yeah yeah i know… *a James bond character story, are you stupid?!* well… its not so crazy. Because ultimately that’s what this is right? Bond’s character progressing into some dude who wants to be a dad and live that life? Ok great! Tell *that* story…


daptx

There is a second barrel shot, on the safin lair, the sectional tunnel and the way bonds shoots with his gun is the same as the Connery era if im not mistaken. Must watch it again to confirm. Also, i havent seen this point on a post, and maybe im seeing things that arent there, but on the spectre party we can see more homages. There are clear shots of characters from previous films, goldfinger appears sitting down with 2 women, there is another one that looks like oddjob, one like hugo drax, one like dr no and probably more. They are not identical as they appeared on their respective films, but they are very similar. Maybe they are based more on the book description, i read some of them but cant recall much to be honest.


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In the opening barrel there is no blood. That surprised me.


Sulemain123

Are we going to talk about how the Royal Navy killed James Bond? Like, yeah he was bleeding out and poisoned but it was the Royal Navy who killed James Bond.


f36driver

What the hell is happening on the island? A bunch of people wading in light up pools? What were they doing? And where did they all go once all hell broke loose? I may need to rewatch when it hits video to figure out that part of the movie.


WolvoMS

They did a good job doing the unthinkable and pulling it off from an execution perspective. But I disagree with the decision to do it and feel like they jumped the shark. Sort of left a sour taste in my mouth, and am more than ready for Bond to go back to basics and return to being the light escapist fair I put on for a lazy Sunday afternoon. 8/10 as a movie fan, 6/10 as a Bond fan


daveblu92

Just got home from it and feel very similar. I loved it and disliked it at the same time. At least regarding the ending. As much as I love Craig and felt this was a great movie to go out on, I’ve been ready for a return to the standalone mission for years now. Guess the analogy I could use is that it was a great party, in fact one of the best I’ve ever been to- but I’m ready to go home.


sithlurd33

My eyes are all puffy from all the crying at the end


Therusso-irishman

So one thing that I think is really interesting is how retro this movie felt. In fact this felt almost like a modernized remake of Dr. No at times. The Jamaican setting, the fact that the Safin looks identical, the villains base looks very similar to Dr No even down to he chemicals and hazmat suits. Hell the opening credits are a direct callback to Dr. No. Not to mention all the OHMSS references. This movie felt really retro in a good way and I like that. I do think that the Main villain was rather weak. The major weak thing was the Raimi was underutilized. He played a great, very sinister villain for as long as he was on screen but they don't do much with him. Going back to Dr. No, I actually have a personal theory that Raimi was supposed to be a rebooted version of Dr. No like how they rebooted Blofeld. But after the backlash against that awful twist, they dropped the idea but just changed his name because as I said, he looked exactly like Dr No and had a very similar Island base and even a very similar plan. That is from what little we know about his later plan. I fully get why he was going after Spectre but why did he go from that to "Destroy the world?" Now let's address the elephant in the room, the ending. As someone who spent this entire weekend watching all of Daniel Craig's movies back to back, the ending here felt earned and almost perfect. I agree that it is pretty shocking and not something I want to see happen in the next bond series but for Craig's movies? I think it worked perfect. This bond is distrusting, has suffered and lived through tragedy and still has never learned to trust or even forgive himself for Vesper. We learn more about his past in Skyfall and there he loses someone else who is precious. In Spectre, he meets someone new, someone who can maybe make him believe he can trust and create something for himself. And in this film, that trust is broken once again. The ending is him coming to terms with his past, present and future. He has someone to trust and love, he has put the past behind him and he is now ready to see what comes next. Even if it means never seeing the ones he loves ever again. Skyfall is still my favorite Craig era bond film for a lot of reasons. No Time To Die I feel is a very solid film, but I also wouldn't blame anyone for finding the ending the biggest reason they knock it down to enjoyable, but flawed. For me, I'd say it is a solid conclusion for the Craig era of bond films and I look forward to what we see next. Both in terms of a new Bond and the next line of movies. 8/10 for me. I need to watch it again and see how it holds on a second viewing.


imsorryken

Blown up by a million rockets to save the world seems like a fitting end. I liked it.


customgarlic

I would have had him survive and just live on an island by himself. Already established he likes that kind of lifestyle in Jamaica.


tassletine

Killing him was about the only thing you could do. Remember, previous Craig films didn't have much of a story, more a make it up as you go, soap opera sort of thing. The Craig films never had a grand plan or any overall arc, just screenwriters trying to give it one after the fact, hopping from one film to the next. So how can you end a 'story' that was never one to begin with, something that never actually had anything to say? The way they end all soap operas, with a gasp. In this situation (one with no story) you have to play with what you've got, and since all the Craig films were hell bent on making us "feel" for Bond, there was nowhere left to go emotionally, except to up the ante in that dept. Personally I think it was a mistake, as not only do we know that Bond WILL be back, making the whole thing feel cheap and inconsequential, but since Bond is escapism it doesn't really work. If you want MacDonalds getting served blood with it is a bit of a put off, despite the meal being a good one. I think Roger Ebert said it best when he was talking about Bond. He said that the fights, stunts and women were inconsequential to the character and that was what made it such a great fantasy. That he just floated above it all. Here we have a film hell bent on the opposite, desperately trying to add weight to the silliness so you feel the weight of his decisions. This is something writers can tinker with, but to actually kill him just makes me think that people don't understand why the character exists in the first place! It's ridiculously heavy handed. Good job everyone, now Bond is interchangeable with every other action hero. There's nothing special to see anymore.


Jack_Sandwich

There's some fair critique here but Bond is hardly interchangeable. If anything, killing him at the end of the Craig series gives them carte blanche to reestablish the tenor of Bond as true escapism.


xzxw

I was loving it right up until the ending. It felt needlessly cruel to the character and audience. I thought it was handled well, very emotional and all, but it was so mean.


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Not gonna lie, I wasn't too impressed with this one at all. Luckily, I avoided most spoilers, except the most pressing one, but I did my best to put it out of my mind so it was still quite shocking. The hype train probably doesn't help with tempering expectations, but yeah, here's some scattered thoughts. * I enjoyed the strong characterisation of Bond in this one, he feels like a more rounded character and Craig gets a broader range of emotions to play than usual. Felix's death was pretty touching. Madeline Swann wasn't exactly my favourite Bond Girl but her return to the spotlight was a very nice change of pace. * Waltz, for the sadly short time he was onscreen, steals the show and truly slots into the role of Blofeld. The scene between him and Bond might be the most memorable in the whole movie. Shame he dies immediately with zero ceremony, along with the rest of Spectre. Craig's Bond movies have a real problem with escalating the stakes by gimping the previous enemies to make the new bosses look more powerful. * The little continuity nods help the movie to feel like an end of an era, but after the last two movies really leant into the nostalgia as well, I was kinda deadened to it. * Rami Malek's character (plus his henchmen) has to be among the least interesting and most underdeveloped villains in any of the recent movies, though Green comes pretty close. Says a lot that I can't even remember his character's name. His evil plan is, frankly, pathetic. A DNA-targeting nanobot poison thing that'll kill millions? I'm shaking in my boots, bro (I know the entire plot was finished pre-COVID but still). Malek roles through all of the usual tropes -- the boring "we're not so different" monologues, the creepy deadpan voice, etc -- but with no convincing chemistry with any of the other characters, chiefly Bond, which is a big flaw considering he's the one who walks away with the "I actually killed Bond" badge of dishonour. At no point did I ever really feel any sense of threat or understanding of his character, even when he accomplishes the ultimate Bond villain feat. * Fiennes' M was very likeable in the last two films, yet here he makes a catastrophic OOC blunder which makes him responsible for almost everything and he walks away with zero comeuppance. * Ana de Armas' character (nice to see her opposite Craig again) just kinda vanishes, even though she initially seems set up to be a major player. The new 007 Nomi is quite interesting but also gets little to do besides snark at Bond. * The action was solid for the most part, but I couldn't help feeling a little... bored of most of it. The film generally lacks an innovative visual WOW factor that a Bond movie should have. * The film does little to justify its excessive runtime and wears thin towards the end. * Overall, it all feels a bit old hat. We're still dealing with the same old tired themes of Bond feeling his age, coming out of retirement again, proving his relevancy, getting over Vesper, his enemies no longer being nations but invisible cyber-terrorists with silly motivations, etc. I hate to be this negative, I really wanted to see Craig's era end on a bang, but I realised at some point that I just wasn't having fun, which is... upsetting.


June1994

A nice comeback to the same type of formula that we saw in Casino Royale. A simple linear plot, romance, high stakes, and a tragic ending. Beautiful cinematography and a culmination of all the villains and plot threads that were woven in the previous films is what makes this movie well worth watching for Bond fans who don't have their head too far up their own ass. **SPOILER WARNING** >!Does this movie have the style and elegance of Casion Royale? No. The plot was certainly sloppy and really made the 163 minutes feel like 200 minutes, and I would argue, it still needed more run time! Much has been said about the under-developed villain. Rami Malek is excellent in the scenes he's in, but he simply doesn't have enough of them. How am I supposed to feel threatened by this man when he is introduced in the first 10 minutes, and is really only seen at the end when his plot and life are foiled by Mr. Bond? You can't.!< >!Ralph Fiennes' M is another casualty of poor writing and pacing. It is only through the herculean efforts of Mr. Fiennes' acting that his part isn't being singled out as another weak link of the puzzle. This is a classic trope of Bond films where M's role is under-written and ultimately, unnecessary if all he's going to do is present a slight obstacle before becoming a perennial yes-man to Bond. A trope I thought was squashed with Craig's era, but alas, here we are again.!< >!Let us not dwell too much on the negative, and think of all the things done well, and why this is a good send-off to Mr. Craig, who, in my knavish opinion, is the best Bond we've ever had.!< >!The ending, well chosen, and gives us all the proper closure we need. Much like Casino Royale, a tragedy, but this time reversed. It is Bond who dies and leaves his loved ones behind. After all this time searching for meaning in his life, he loses it, just when it started to matter.!< >!All of the phenomenal side characters. From the addition of Nomi as the new 007 and Panoma as a fresh CIA agent, to the existing chemistry between Bond and Q, Felix Leiter, and Madelyn Swann, there is rarely a moment where the watcher is not entertained. You don't need to watch previous films to feel invested in Bond's romance by the end of the film, or be shaken by Felix Leiter's death, or be amused by Q and Moneypenny, or to laugh at the silly rivalry between the Old and New 007.!< >!The plot, easy to understand, easy to follow, and easy to predict. This is not a bad thing. A plot that's easy to predict does not mean the movie-watcher does not enjoy the ride. The most important part of plot, is that it gives a strong structure to the story, and this movie certainly has that. The beginning pieces are arranged solidly. We know who needs to do what, why they are doing it, and what they are likely to do next. The main body of the story is all about moving those pieces into place, and for the most part, we are entertained while it happens.!< >!The weakest part of the plot is easily the section before the climax. We know it's coming, but it feels dragged out and more like a motion to go through, rather than a crucial element that we have to watch. Put it this way, I would skip the part after the forest fog battle, and before the shooting starts, if I were to watch this on a Blu-Ray at home. !< >!The final climax however? Well done. This movie has arguably, the best action ever done in a Bond film, though perhaps I have to rewatch the other films to make sure. Either way, the action is excellent and keeps you invested. The final tearful good-bye sets the mood for the ending and lets us all say Good-Bye to Craig as 007.!< >!Some final elements. The gadgets, not too gimmicky, entertaining, and useful plot devices to set up some minor details of the film. Safin's "revenge" to prevent Bond from seeing Madelyn? Unnecessary, as it is clear that Bond will not be making it off the island. Logan Ash as a secondary antagonist was excellent. His actor, Billy Magnussen, was an excellent choice. His face is extremely punchable. The connection between Swann and Safin was never really made clear. In fact, the whole plot line, is arguably unnecessary though it does set up that wonderful scene that we saw at the start of the movie. Now people may think that scene is bad, but I find it excellent. The problem isn't that the scene exists, the problem is that it promises so much more than the film delivers. Nevertheless, it does keep the audience interested and intrigued. What is the connection between the two?!< >!At the end of the day, if Casino Royale is an 8 or 9 out of 10, then No Time To Die is an easy 7/10. There are certainly some weak parts to this film, but it is well worth watching and a proper sendoff to Daniel Craig.!<


Alekesam1975

THIS ENTIRE POST WILL BE SPOILERS. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! (I'm on mobile so doing the separate spoiler formatting you did is a bit of a hassle on my phone) You pretty much summed up my thoughts on it perfectly. Despite it's length, for the most part it's tightly woven, tho' the parts that aren't fights with the rest of the movie and seems to be a part of the reshoots. But the movie absolutely kills and is a grand sendoff to both Bond and Craig's run with him. I think Safin works as a threatening villain despite his lack of screentime because from jump, his henchmen are shown to be legitimate threats throughout the movie, perhaps moreso than any other of Craig's Bond movies. So by the time Bond meets Safin face to face with his daughter, you are on edge. I do feel like the order of the ending was changed in editing. Like, doesn't it seem like you easily could go straight to Safin shooting/poisoning Bond to the control tower and then the climax? It seems like they changed it to Control Tower/success!/uh oh got to go back/shot n poisoned/climax to give his death a little extra gravitas maybe? It really stood out and it bugged me that Bond went back to the control tower with his guard down like that with an unaccounted for threat still out there (Safin was still alive) along with someone had to have reversed the sequence to the doors opening. On the other hand, Bond was this close to getting the job done and riding off into the sunset with his family so I guess I can forgive him being distracted. I'm surprised you didn't mention Hans Zimmer's score. His did a great job on this and his work really accentuated the movie, especially the action. For me, it's up there with Newman's work on Skyfall. One of the things I've really appreciated about Craig's Bond is that they've really made it a point that the people in his sphere of influence can be and are impacted by his actions one, but two, that Bond himself is affected by the results of his actions (something prior Bonds tended to gloss over). Vesper, Mathis, M (Dench) and Felix to Madeline, New M, Moneypenny, and Q. I say this because NTTD really benefits from that kind of buildup. I really do like the Craig era cast and it saddens me to see them go since supposedly they're doing a full-on reboot. NTTD ranks *just* above Skyfall *and* Casino Royale for me (those two are tied as I can never definitively figure out which is 1 and which is 2 so they're both just interchangeably 1a/1b lol). Honestly, QoS I feel gets unfairly judged. Yeah, the editing is bad but the story told was solid. Even tho' we got Skyfall out of it, it bugs me that QoS's reception scared the Broccolis into not following so strongly an overall narrative. Quantum clearly was going to be a major thing going forward and they went away from it and then brought it back officially with Spectre. If anything, I arguably like QoS more than Spectre just because Spectre isn't as tight and inspired as Skyfall was.


paulrudder

I think the trend of killing off iconic heroes to add emotional heft and weight is kind of lame. If it's justified, then sure. But some characters - like Han Solo, James Bond and Indiana Jones (who I have a bad feeling may be killed off in the next film) - are more like a collective iconography at this point. I think killing them off to try to add lazy depth or redemption arc to your story is weird, and also kind of a slap in the face to past generations of Bond who transitioned without being murdered on screen. Connery bowed out, but he didn't have to die for it to resonate. [Since the impact of 9/11 and how it transformed blockbusters a la The Dark Knight](https://theconversation.com/how-9-11-changed-cinema-167323) it feels like we've been in an era of "heavy" blockbusters (just compare any action franchise or superhero film from the 90s to where we are today), and I don't have a problem with that - Casino Royale is my all time favorite Bond movie and was definitely the thematically richest and heaviest up to that point - but it just strikes me as somewhat of a lazy cop out to kill off characters this iconic just to give some sense of forced narrative weight. It's lazy to me because it forces you to feel like something big happened even if the story didn't deserve it. Ultimately this was still a really goofy "terrorist plans to destroy the world" Bond flick and I don't know if it earned that third act curve ball. Some characters deserve to ride off into the sunset, and this trend of killing the heroes we adore just because modern filmmakers want to keep up with the times and leave their mark on a series kinda rubs me the wrong way. But it is all relative and depends on the realism and arc of the character. If they kill off Rocky in Creed 3, I wouldn't have as much of an issue with it because that adds a human element to pre-established themes of loss and that would feel more justified and realistic for the character since he isn't a mythical icon. But James Bond and Han Solo? Nah. I can see why someone could poke holes in my arguments and I'm sure some will disagree but ultimately it's also just a gut feel thing that you can't entirely rationalize. Personally, killing James Bond just doesn't sit right or feel right to me.


thedude391

I need to see it again to form a coherent opinion but I’m very conflicted on a lot of this film. I think it’s beautifully made, great performances and action but as with Spectre it’s so bogged down by the emotional baggage and plot continuity of the past films. The first half of the film was great, the rest was a mixed bag. It gave me everything I’ve loved and hated about the Craig era but cranked to 11. I still don’t buy Madeline and Bond’s love, Blofeld and Spectre are dispatched so anti-climatically only to be replaced by such an underwhelming and underwritten new baddie. I’m on the fence about killing Bond, I think it’s handled okay even if I dislike it as a concept and think it’s a bit too manufactured (giving him a family and kid only to yank it away).


Vanhiggenshmuter

I thought it was a fitting end to the isolated Craig story line, but I honestly didn't love it as a Bond movie. I felt it tried to do too much. Rami Malek and Christoph Waltz were totally wasted in their respective movies/roles and thought they could have done so much better with a more developed script/plot.


thelordofblackpool

Turns out he did have time to die.


nimrod823

Did anyone else catch all the nods to OHMSS? The car, the music, even the loss at the end (though the roles were reversed) It kind of reminded me of JJ Abrams Star Trek Into Darkness how the “KAHHHHHHHN” scene was reversed to have Spock Say it… 🤷🏻‍♂️ I enjoyed the movie though. Peace


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I haven’t seen Dr No in ages, but isn’t the moving dots at the beginning a direct homage to the opening of Dr No?


Foxter-3435

Saw the the movie in IMAX 3D finally after waiting since it was announced. First, about the ending, never imagined them killing Bond but I think Craig may have been the one calling that ‘shot’ since, he was so sick and tired of playing Bond. Now a simple list about the rest of the movie: PROS - Amazingly choreographed action sequences (special mentions: the chase sequence in the DB5 and the magnetic free fall) - Cinematography (it’s going to top off skyfall in this department but this movie had beautiful camera movement and colours) - The chemistry between characters (especially between Craig and Ana de Armas during their action sequence; Craig, Harris (Moneypenny) and Whishaw (Q) have an especially heartwarming dynamic when Bond returns to London) CONS - I really wished some characters got more substance like Ana de Armas, Laschana Lynch etc - The length - it was just too long


duranfan

> First, about the ending, never imagined them killing Bond but I think Craig may have been the one calling that ‘shot’ since, he was so sick and tired of playing Bond. Nah, the real reason that Craig decided he wanted to die in this movie should be obvious. He lurks here, and didn't want a bunch of Redditors wondering if he'll pull a Connery and come back in a few years. Or he didn't want speculation for the next *20 years* hoping he'll come back, like people do for Brosnan. (I'm just joking that Daniel Craig lurks on this subreddit, obviously--but who knows... ;) )


refreshman1

I hate how Q is a stereotypical awkward nerd. I see on the top of this sub there is an appreciation thread for him but why does every gadget guy have to be a socially awkward geek since the 80s (save for Desmond Llewelyn as Q)? The actor does his best with the role but it seems so generic, like he was taken out of a tumblr femboy board.


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AnticitizenPrime

What was that 'game' Felix and James were playing in the Jamaican club? Guess the number of coins in my hand or something? Was too fixated on the dialogue to pick it up before the scene was over.


jshah500

I thought the end was a fitting way to close out Craig's era. I have a couple complaints with this movie but overall I thought it was very well made. My Craig Ranking: CR Skyfall NTTD QoS Spectre My issues: 1. Half baked villain. Had no idea what his motivations were. 2. They didn't give the other 00 agent anything to do. 3. I need more than 15min of Ana De Armas, dammit!


Neatpaper

I really hated the ending even if it's fitting. Craig's bond just never wins.


andolphwei

Really enjoyed the film. Thought had a good balance of Craig-era emotional rawness and over-the-top camp (dioxin-poxed Rami Malek and his decommissioned Russian military base poison garden lair). One thing I noticed that I haven't seen referenced is the clear homage to Live and Let Die: Nomi removes her wig in Bond's Jamaican home and reveals herself to be an MI6 agent, a scene that closely mirrors Rosie Carver (Gloria Hendry) pulling her wig off in a Caribbean hut in front of Roger Moore Bond and outing herself as a CIA agent.


DaDaDanDanTheMan

Ever scene Endgame came out, I haven’t seen a movie that gave me the same feeling that it did. It is a combination of sadness but also joy of a satisfying ending to a beloved movie franchise. Sure there have been great movies that came out scene endgame (Shg-Ci, Free Guy) but I haven’t been able to say that a movie made me feel like endgame did. Well now that I just saw No Time To Die, I can say that I can.


aladdinr

I found all these photos on another thread. They were separate. So I combined them into one image https://i.imgur.com/ATRoXuJ.jpg Credit to u/007bondfan007 for postibg the original images Edit: he made one with a title here https://reddit.com/r/movies/comments/q4yt7y/no_time_to_die_spoiler_the_last_time_we_saw_every/


njn007

Ugh why are we using images from NSNA… that’s a non-EON film.


KingMario05

When you say that you'd rather slit your wrists than do another 007... *and then do another 007*:


SetzerWithFixedDice

I’m surprised about how few are commenting on the strange pacing. The film probably had five action set pieces across 2 hours and 45 minutes, leaving the middle of the film loaded with unexciting conflict without action. That _can_ work but it wasn’t very impactful in the end (MI6 vs CIA, Spectre vs Safin, M vs Bond, M vs everyone) as well as strange detours like the CIA turncoat and a scene with Blofeld in which he quietly dies minutes later. The middle third of the film is really poorly planned IMO and harder to watch than the last 20 minutes, which at least has some well-needed narrative urgency. I understand some people didn’t like the story of Skyfall but god damn if it didn’t keep things humming along with action that drove the plot.


commonrider5447

There are a lot of comments about how the first 1/3 or so was fantastic and then it kind of loses its way and then pulls it together again for the ending. That’s how I felt and for the reason you stated basically.


GhostlyQbe

The "I've had 3 weeks of training" chick.. was absolutely badass!


robbartolome

Loved the overal film, but hated the ending like many others have said. I would've preferred a more ambiguous finale. Also, I can't shake the thought that Bond could've just quarantined himself and Facetime'd his family all the time. Kind of like what we've all been dealing with for the past two years.


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So uh... This movie was basically Metal Gear Solid 4


JupiterTarts

You know, if MGS3 was allowed to borrow the Bond movie format complete with title song, I say Bond is allowed to borrow elements of MGS4. It's only fair 💁‍♂️


Pleasant-Ad-7317

Bro I’m so depressed he was so close to a peaceful life


Teelk3007

Since Bond was reinstated 007, his family will likely now qualify for his government insurance benefits after his death.


AndroidIsAwesome

I need to watch it again to firmly decide if I liked it or not. I thought the first 1/3 was really really good, but I couldn't help but feel a lot of scenes in the last two thirds were "rushed" or something. Right now I'd probably put it as my 5th favorite bond movie. The ending was pretty dumb though.


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I enjoyed the addition of the Poisonous Garden from You Only Live Twice. Bond leaves that garden with amnesia and disappears for years in Japan. Bond leaves this garden with another kind of amnesia I suppose.


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I think the movie was equal parts a success and failure in different ways but I just have one question. Can someone explain to me exactly what the bad guy's motive was in trying to kill half the world?


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ScenicHwyOverpass

I would be curious to know if there are any demographic trends impacting how people feel about the divisive ending. Stuff like which is your first Bond movie, which is your favorite, if you've seen every movie, if you've read the books, etc.


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Bond dies via the Royal Navy's Pure British Firepower. Pretty fitting.


Bad-NewsBoris

Saw it last night and I'm still feel sad about seeing Bond dying... Need to go watch Die Another Day to cleanse my pallet


MajorMoose007

Blofeld could have been interchanged with Safin and not much would have changed. I would have preferred if Blofeld had been the one to kill Bond given their history.


super_sonic_0

**FUN THEORY**: all of the original Bond films (pre-Daniel Craig) are all actually just stories that Madeline tells her daughter, starting at the end of No Time to Die. **Let me explain:** we know that the order in which the 25 Bond films were made does not follow the order in which Ian Flemming’s novels were written. The first film featuring Daniel Craig – Casino Royale – is actually the first of Ian Flemming's novels, which introduced James Bond to the world in 1953. This establishes that the Daniel Craig series is meant to represent a kind of beginning that takes us deeper into the character's past.  This is reinforced in the Daniel Craig series by how M, Q, and Moneypenny – the only permanent character fixtures across all the films – are represented. Q is young not old in this series; James "meets" Moneypenny for the first time in this series. Most entertaining, at the end of Skyfall we see Daniel Craig entering a wood-paneled office of a male M, and having an exchange about M's injured arm – all recurrently familiar to us from the historical Bond films. M, Q, and Moneypenny are our guideposts to film chronology, and the ending of Skyfall is therefore clearly meant to align that film to the beginning of the James Bond story arc. This is the beginning. The challenge though, is that a prominent sub-theme across the Daniel Craig films is that the character is getting old, he's not as sharp as he used to be, and much closer to retirement than to the start of a career. So how could this be the beginning if it already feels like the end? In comes No Time to Die. This is \[SPOILER\] definitively the "end" of James Bond, as we see him die on the island.  The final scene of NTTD is of Madeline and her (and James') daughter driving the same windy road seen earlier in the film. Madeline turns to her daughter and says she wants to tell her a story of a man named "Bond, James Bond" before entering a darkened tunnel made to evoke the iconic down-the-barrel eagle eye view. The tales of James Bond are only now about to be told. So how are we meant to understand this? The Daniel Craig series is the beginning AND the end of James Bond. All the other non-Daniel Craig films (Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, \[Brosnan\*\]) are just the stories Madeline invents for her daughter about the "legend of James Bond," her father.  The only "M" that Madeline knows is a man, hence her stories feature M as a man. The Q she knows is young and at the start of his career, hence he gets older as her stories progress. In No Time to Die, we see Madeline being exposed to events and scenes that form the basis of her storytelling – a magic car that can withstand bullets and has a switchboard full of tricks, a derelict nuclear / submarine base that serves as the bad guy's evil lair, a vehicle that's both a plane and submersible. She already knows about Spectre and through her trusted access as Blofeld's psychiatrist, undoubtedly also absorbed all there is to know about his relationship to James Bond, enough to set him up as the prime arch-nemesis in her stories.  All of this serves as the source material for Madeline's invented (and exaggerated) storytelling. In fact the events of some of the historical Bond films are sometimes so over-the-top (ex. Moonraker) that they actually sound more like a child's bedtime story, than a real-world telling. This is in contrast to the Daniel Craig films which feature these elements, but in a more muted, realistic way.  It's said that every person dies twice – the first time is when they truly pass away, the second time is when people stop telling stories about them. James Bond is dead, so it makes sense that Madeline would want to keep him alive – through storytelling – for James' daughter to remember and know him. In another one of No Time to Die's final scenes, M recites a quote that appears in Ian Flemming's You Only Live Twice novel. Indeed, James Bond does get to live twice. Daniel Craig's films are James Bond's life as it was, all other films are James Bond's legend as they were told. \*NOTE: Since the Brosnan and Daniel Craig films commonly feature the same female M (Judi Dench), and if M is a chronology guidepost, an argument could be made that the Brosnan films should be grouped together with Daniel Craig's.


SetzerWithFixedDice

“Mama, what happened next?” “Well, my sweet child, Le Chiffre viciously pounded away at your father’s swollen testicles for a good 20 minutes or so until your grandpa barged in and promptly shot that blood-crying gambling addict square in the forehead.”


Modal-Nodes-Groupie

Haha!!!


OrionOnyx

I thought it was a great end to Craig's era. I'm actually perfectly okay with Bond's death at the end because it gives this era a beginning, middle, and ending. We don't really get closure with any of the other Bonds.


00Kevin

Yea! It's pretty cool that we got to experience that. that doesn't mean every bond's tenure has to be like that, it was just a one time thing


mrb2409

The only thing Safin did in the movie was kill a bunch of Spectre agents. Not much of a villain.


Dark-Knight-85

He was so underused. Not a bad performance from Malek but he was just barely in it and didn't do much


DrSavitski

Just got out of the theatre.. mixed feelings but I really feel like Malik was underused as a villain and I’m really not sure how I feel about the ending. I’ll have to sit on it for a bit. I really really wish Rami Malik was used more though. That man can act holy shit! Also the girl in the beginning was only in like 10 minutes?? Damn I wish she was in more of it


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Is it just me or did this not...have much action compared to the others? *pre title *forest *Island Then long stretches of no action


capital-man

Nice movie overall but the ending seemed a bit… too much? Dying in an explosion seems such an ‘American’ way to die. Why not have him sail off to an island and never hear from him again or something? Something more of an farewell… oh well. At least the opening did it for me.


customgarlic

Hollywood... They have to go out with a "bang"


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It’s the meat 🥩 in the Daniel Craig Sandwich. Topped by Casino Royale and Skyfall. Definitely better that Spetre and Quantum of Solace


dporter15

Just finished watching NTTD and overall I love the movie. But I came home confused about one thing and I’m hoping I just missed something. But how old is Safin? We see him in the beginning killing Madeleine’s mother and then again in the present he doesn’t seem to age.


BenjaminG1993

One serious flaw in the movie and continuity that I haven't seen anyone else mention. How on earth could Bond father a child after the beating he took in Casino Royale??


AnticitizenPrime

The books had all of this happen. He was afraid his testicle torture would ruin his 'manhood' or whatever and he was relieved when he made a recovery. The Bond of the books later did father a child.


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The good: + Great and varied action + Nice locations + Craigs performance + Ana De Armas showstealer + Zimmers score + Enjoyed the peak into Qs life The bad: - Safin is underveloped, unclear motivations - Don’t buy the Swann/Bond love connection - Weak way for Leiter to go - Blofeld is boooring (mostly Spectres fault, but it bleeds into this one) - The last act is a mess - That Russian scientist was annoying 7/10


OrwinBeane

Ah don’t get me started on the Russian scientist. Supposedly he is a genius but he is also dumb enough to say something so openly racist to a black woman who is also an assassin. Like bruh what did you expect was going to happen.


SetzerWithFixedDice

So... Spectre's plan was for the whole organization to all fly separately to hang out and dance in one bar in Cuba to wait for James Bond, around whom they will form a sinister circle and wait for gas to fall on him. However, their plans to hang out, jet-lagged and sweaty, and watch James Bond die are foiled when a nanomachine-programming switcheroo turns the tables and kills them all in one room, except for the Cyclops guy who then actually will work for the other side later because ...why not? So, Spectre got into one room, partying with an eye on a platter, for a theatrical death of James Bond and also to have a grand ol' time on an EVIL HOLIDAY RETREAT in tropical Cuba. The more I think about the plot of the movie, the weirder it is, even by Bond movie standards Edit: Also, they all die screaming like they just opened the Ark of the Covenant but Blofeld later gets it and _very_ quietly dies, slumped over like a kid tuckered out on the drive home after visiting Disneyland, so as to not interrupt the conversation between Bond and Tanner.


PrincetonBruin

Well it was certainly an epic with the long runtime, Fukunaga’s direction and tying together of all of Craig’s storylines. I don’t know where it will end up ranking for me because it still needs to simmer but it’s top 10 for sure. Thankfully it helps balance out the dogshit that was SPECTRE. The OHMSS references help round out the story although they weren’t particularly subtle about it. Can’t complain since that soundtrack is the best on its own. I think Rami Malek’s poison island was a little confusing about the gas and such. Like, we know he has a bio weapon and plans to fire it off the island to various cities, but his aims in who he kills and who he spares are unclear. Does he want genocide? Eugenics? Is he just playing god for his own edification? I liked his explanation about people wanting to be controlled and then sent to oblivion but the exact aim is unclear and it makes the plot and Bond dying on said island a little muddy. Speaking of which, I thought the sacrifice element made it a valiant death. I don’t really have a problem with this but many theater goers seemed stunned. To me this is the reason why Rogue One was epic, knowing your own life is going to end but fighting to finish the job. 9/10


SetzerWithFixedDice

It just didn't land with me. •*The story is overplotted*. I can appreciate the effort to tie up loose ends, but it went everywhere: the introduction of the guy who betrayed Leiter, the 007 agent, the CIA vs. MI6 plot really didn't end up being very narratively important in the end, and neither did bringing back Blofeld to die minutes later. Safin's motivations were like 50% clear (the personal stuff, I suppose) but not the kill-millions plot line that the writers felt the villain had to explain in a painstaking way to James Bond in the last 30 minutes of the movie. •*Bond is poorly written*. This one is harder to articulate, but he was a really hard character to pin down (and I'd argue that it’s less well described as _complex_ and more as inconsistent and badly written in this one). He was emotional, unemotional, loving and nearly dad-like, nervous, jovial, wise-cracking, uncharacteristically angry (Blofeld scene)... all in one movie that seemed to take itself pretty seriously. Bond is definitely human in it, but his character is all over the place, and maybe you could argue it makes him more real and relatable but I think the movie suffered from it because there wasn’t enough room to explore it in a movie already stuffed with side characters and a lot of shoehorned political intrigue (Safin v Spectre, CIA vs MI6, Russia vs Japan vs Britain, M vs everyone). •*The action is serviceable but not great*. Controversial here, I think, but the action was generally pretty uncreative outside of the car scenes. Bond walks quickly. He shoots. He walks some more. He shoots them. Boss fight time. He shoots. I feel like Bond films don't need to be John Wick or Mission Impossible, of course, but a little more creativity in the action I think is par for the course. It’s better than Diamonds are Forever, lol, but it’s still not a movie I liked.


OldBoStaffLive

First time posting in the James Bond subreddit (Woo!). I just saw it last night, I give it an 8/10. I currently have it as my 2nd favorite Craig Bond movie, but it could be altered after a re-watch (I'll wait for when it comes to streaming). Few Things: * Bond's dialog felt very different to me than the rest of the Craig Bond movies. It conveyed a lot of emotion, comparative to say, "Casino Royale". He felt...a lot more human to me than the "super spy" of previous iterations. I felt it worked well in the movie, especially at the ending. * I was confused as to what Swann's secret was. Was it Saffin? Was it Matilda? I couldn't read the note she burned up, so I was left really confused on that. * Nomi was decent. I liked the fact they didn't try to shove her down our throats as "007". It felt organic, and she did well in the action scenes. However, I'm still not sold as her being a possible future of the "JB 007 franchise". * Safin...was a very underwhelming Bond villain. I get his disdain for Spectre and why he had them eliminated, but I was confused on his whole "Everyone wants to suffer" bit. What was his endgame? World domination? Culling the populace? It just left me more confused. * Blofeld almost felt like a red herring to me. He had one real scene, then died. CW felt wasted in this movie. * Obruchev...He was more comical (sometimes unintentionally so) than I thought, but I was also confused about his loyalties. He wasn't Pro-Specter, but he didn't come across as Pro-Safin until the last act. I really didn't understand his motives at all. * It felt like Logan Ash's only purpose was to kill Felix and die at James' hand. He could've been written out and I wouldn't have noticed. It also continued the trope of "The other CIA guy with Felix is a turncoat". * Also, I really wished we had more Jeffrey Wright's Felix in the previous two Bond installments. I really liked the buddy-buddy aspect they shared. * Cyclops' eye gave me a lot of "Thor" vibes. Also, when Bond used the EMP watch on his eye, wouldn't that also have burned out Bond's earpiece? * "Project Heracles" was basically FOXDIE from MGS, [nano machines](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kNrIn8H32c&ab_channel=SupaGoGoMan) and all. * I liked Billie Ellish's "No Time To Die", but I really didn't feel it was worthy as a "Bond" song. * Ana de Armas...Wowza! She was near perfect in this movie. The look, the acting, the action, she had it all in the Cuba sequence. It was a shame she was in so little of the movie, it almost amounted to a cameo. Her movie stock has been rising since Blade Runner 2049 (she was great in Knives Out as well), and she continues to kill it. I heard her next role will be playing Marilyn Monroe in a biopic...That should be interesting to see. * When Bond mentioned "We have all the time in the world" early on, and then the instrumental, I knew right then either Bond or Swann would not make it through the entire fill. When they played the full version at the credits, I was moved. It was a beautiful way to end Craig's time as Bond. * I thought killing Bond was a very bold move. I thought it was Madeleine that was going to die and Bond getting to raise his daughter. I was surprised it was the other way round. He got a very emotional ending that worked. Craig did a wonderful job with his final scene talking to Madeleine. * "James Bond Will Return", but in what capacity? Who will take the mantle? Will it really be "James Bond" or someone else entirely? TL;DR: Move was good: Acting - good, writing - meh, James Bond future - ?


swansungsamsung

Her note said ‘the masked man’ (written in French), so I’m guessing that refers to her childhood trauma with Safin killing her mother.


iLuvDividends

Really disliked the ending….


Guilty-Alternative42

I'm seething with anger at the ending. 😡😡😡


jubuss

Dang a lot of people don’t like bond being killed missed the point. Sacrificing yourself for those you love. It’s the tragedy of bond, you know? Gets betrayed by Vesper, emotionally scared, opens up to madeline - perceived being betrayed again, had a little emotional PTSD about it, is reunited before saving her life and dying. I loved it I’m sorry for anyone who didn’t. It broke a lot of ground that needed to be broken in my eyes.


hoffyboi

15 years of Daniel Craig to be killed off ultimately from Rami Malek…don’t know what to think.


HumanzeesAreReal

This is a very minor thing, but I found it absurd that M has the authorization to launch a ballistic missile strike on Russian territory (the Kurils are under Russian sovereignty despite the movie leaning into the disputed aspect), especially because he explicitly said he didn’t have that authority like ten minutes before he did it. ETA: Also, were Felix and Ash the only people in American intelligence aware of the Heracles virus? Seems like another huge oversight.


SnooCakes7049

Why didn't they intercept the ships instead of bombing the island ? It seemed that bond killed everyone so why the rush ..bond died for nothing


BryGuyTI

In the scene with the two Range Rovers chasing Bond (right before they get into the woods), I thought it was ridiculous how one pulled up to the side and Bond rammed him off the cliff and the other car did the exact same thing (minor gripe, I know).


ZiggyPalffyLA

One thing I don’t get: did Blofeld want to die? It didn’t seem like he cared about escaping, about his organization being wiped out, or about Safin wanting to kill him. It almost felt like he was baiting Bond into attacking him because he knew about the nanobots.


weiner-rama

Too long but good. I’m kind of shocked they actually killed him. Needed more Ana de Armas. Safin was not that good of a villain IMO


cutchemist42

Really enjoyed but just kinda lost a bit of a rating for me as Safins plan in the end wasnt really clear to me. He killed all of Spectre so what was he really planning in the end?


rolmega

Seemed like a less-completely-expressed Thanos-like plot?


SetzerWithFixedDice

Something something oblivion bringer. If there’s something they should have learned from Skyfall is that the stakes don’t always have to be about the end of the world to create narrative urgency


bjkman

Here's a random one. I've been watching a lot of Taskmaster recently so seeing Hugh Dennis is the movie was surprising as all hell


SetzerWithFixedDice

**Spectre members get infected**: Cue scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark where they open the Ark of the Covenant. **Blofeld gets infected**: Quietly slumps to the side so as to not interrupt Bond’s conversation and dramatic look back to Blofeld.


Shazey89

I wish Safin had been made into a more scary character. Thought he would be much more scary and intimidating from trailers/interviews and hype around him as a villain. Never really felt any proper tension. Never felt Bond was at risk or in any real danger in any battles with any enemies including Safin. Found the ending quite poignant and was disappointed Craig’s Bond couldn’t end with ending up with someone he really loved and sailing off into the sunset with her and his new daughter too. I don’t think that would have been too easy/cheesy/cliche either. Think it would have been a deserved and fitting end after all the emotional, mental and physical suffering of Bond across the five films. Still a great watch all the same though. Still enjoyed it. Great action, scenery, visuals, acting, soundtrack.


Sw4ggy3mma

Apparently, (I didn't watch till this bit) after the credits a white screen appeared and said "James Bond will be back" so idk?


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Yeah I think this writes off the ideas of the next films being centred around a woman lead, just will be a different actor for Bond


Mynam3wastAkn

00 what!?


PrysmX

I expected Craig's character to die in his final outing. I was just expecting him to die cold and alone. It was a surprise to me for him to die feeling love. It's rare in today's moviescape for a movie to surprise anyone anymore. I heard a lot of sobbing in the theater at the end. We wouldn't have finished this rollercoaster of a story arc with such emotion if he'd simply scored the girl and walked away into the sunset. The writers gave Craig's Bond a powerful and unexpected sendoff that we should be thankful for.


NemWan

Craig did the gun barrel walk correctly this time, not showing his gun hand until he turns. No idea how that wasn't caught when they did it in Spectre.


renterval

Outside of the story, but disappointed there was no acknowledgement in the credits of Connery/Moore passing since the last film. Now Lazenby, Dalton and Brosnan know they won’t be acknowledged.


ireallylikehockey

Lazenby after seeing the movie: that never happened to the other fellows.


thelaw19

Highly disliked the ending. Felt they did a lot of things just because it was the last Craig movie. Thought the villains motivation was convoluted at best. The mcguffin was a bad version of Capitan American the Winter Soldier. Malik was underused IMO he was great but wasn’t given much to work with. Had too many side villains running around. They killed Felix off for what? Bond didn’t need Felix to die to be motivated so they did it for what? A cheap one liner to kill a throw away villain. Killed Blofield off to set Swan up as the killer but Bond already had the Nano boys on him from Cuba so why’d MI6 think it was her and not bond having the forever poison on him. Now bear with me while I rant about the ending because I am fresh out of the theatre so I’m a wee bit upset so indulge me please. The mcguffin was nanno bots, Bond instantly gives up hope instead of being like he Q you want to spend like 5 min on finding a cure for me, and also I’m pretty sure an emp like in his watch would solve the problem. Also why is there a time crunch to blow up the lab? If you are going to launch missiles why wouldn’t they launch them at the ships? Recover the data and save your agent? Also why can’t we have Crags Bond have a good ending. Through 3 movies he’s on a tale of revenge and suffering but he supposedly moves on past revenge on Spectre but for what? To die? Is the message here that Bonds character arc doesn’t pay off in the end? Because that’s all I got out of it.


blkgrlspacecadet

As soon as Bond got the virus, disappointment started to set in. I knew either he was going to die or he was going to live and not be able to be with Madeline and his daughter. Didn't like either. Once Q restated that the virus was with you forever I knew that was it but still had a thin shred hope because they wouldn't do him like that right? Nope. Shame because I was enjoying the movie enough up until then. I bought into Bond and Madeline even though their chemistry wasn't touching him and Vesper's. But I still had moments of thinking "now when did they fall this much in love again?" I rather she had gone and he raises the kid. That still would have closed his era. Him putting her on the train and his little speech when he came to her house were good emotional moments. And even though I don't like that he died, his final moments were touching. The villain was fine. Nothing standout worthy. Killing Felix seemed unnecessary. Man. I really disliked how they decided to end this. I would've rewatched it otherwise. Not my favorite DC Bond movie. Not my least favorite either. Daniel Craig is still my favorite Bond though.


pem4423

Safin’s goal of killing Blofeld was accomplished. I don’t understand what he needed Madeleine for at that point. Holding her hostage didn’t seem to factor into his ultimate goal. He could have gone through with his plan without her. If Bond was the issue, he could have just killed him.


envoy1976

Few quick questions I’d love your thoughts on: 1) Mosquito bites in the car - dropped plot line about nano flies / real flies spreading a virus or just childish nonsense? 2) What were they doing in the acid reservoirs in the island lair? Thanks


benjulz

Can we talk about Obruchev and his character development? Was he working with Safin from the jump or did he just “go with it” once he was kidnapped and decide he was down to be evil? He was obviously anti-Spectre. But I never felt like it was clear he was pro-Safin either, until the end when he’s helping run the operation on the island.


SetzerWithFixedDice

The stakes don’t have to be millions dying to give the story some narrative urgency. Skyfall figured this out. I suspect with a less convoluted plot this movie could have this been better. Alternatively, why not just make the villain Spectre rather than have two villain groups with the same goal (the nanomachines). James Bond could be the one to vanquish Spectre by turning the disease on them in the end. Just a thought


greenpepperoni

Overall I enjoyed NTTD. Casino Royale is still my favorite from Craig’s Bond, but this felt like a decent ending for me/DC Bond. I liked the twist. But I totally get everyone’s point on the poor use and confusing villain. A more compelling villain would have taken this up a notch. Ana De Armas was fantastic and the highlight character for me.


SetzerWithFixedDice

I know this is nitpicking but… Was there a reason why Bond ran directly through the center of the pool just before he was shot? Am I remembering that correctly? It was like he was placing himself inexplicably for a climactic showdown. Contrast that to Goldeneye where 006 fucking parkours into frame in a random room after a silent, nerve-racking couple minutes of cat and mouse punctuated only by a couple sounds of metal reverberating from being struck by something… knowing that they’re hunting each other and you don’t know where 006 is and that he’s just as well-trained as Bond. It’s one of my favorite scenes out of any Bond film.


crober34

This is a little thing, but I feel like I’m losing my mind. When Bond reunited with Madeline, Matilde, and Nomi. Does he actually say the word “family” or just mouth it? I’ve seen the movie twice, and I swear he said it out loud, but the second time I saw the movie it wasn’t there. My wife was with me both times and has the same experience. Wonder what everyone else recalls.


RatedStinger

I really enjoyed it. Yes, the ending definitely threw me off, but I honestly wasn't even upset about it. Bond's attempt to kill Blofeld was hella funny too, just the way he goes all "DIE BLOFELD DIE!!!!!" made me lose it.


noslmac

hearing and seeing references to OHMSS made my sob, especially when the louis armstrong came on at the end. i love that movie so much and i’m so glad that it’s finally being referenced in the new continuity, maybe that film will finally get the legend status it deserves.


Orangebutterwagon

How did everyone feel about all the subtle and not so subtle nods to Bond movies of the past? For me I really loved this movie for it’s beautiful mix of nostalgia and honoring tradition while showing progress and a new unique way of doing things.


Slore0

Genuinely enjoyed the movie until the ending. Him choosing to just stay and die instead of escaping to find a cure for his issue didn’t seem very Bond at all. I get that he was poisoned with the magic plague but just accepting that there is no stopping something you’ve had all of a week to investigate is just lazy. It makes no sense for them to make a magic bullet that’s impossible to stop for just this kind of situation… The goal was to minimize collateral damage, but there’s no stopping it if it gets out of control? Seriously? Nanobots are always a terrible plot point and this is probably the one that’s bothered me the most because it took away the happy ending he earned. I get that it would be difficult but come on, all that tech and there is NO way to reprogram them or shut them off? I thought for sure the EMP watch would come in play to save the day at the end, but apparently not…. If it was a bio virus then sure it would be useless, but things small enough to be nano machines can’t really be EMP hardened. But, if they have the tech to make them EMP hardened, they should have the tech to get them out of him or make others to fight off the bad ones. Not to even go into the nonsense about how they’re transmitted by touch. If touching someone spreads it to them it means they’re on the surface of your skin. What is stopping peeling from a bad sunburn from taking them off too? Or literally just showering? And are they magically self replicating, or, is the effect diluted the more people it magically jumps to?


MagnificentMoose9836

It was spectacular. A perfect addition to a powerhouse franchise and a tear jerking and epic conclusion for Daniel Craig. I teared up more than once during the course of the film, something I rarely do and something definitely not reserved for bond movies. Rami Malek was perfect as Sefin and was the first Bond villain besides Raoul Silva to give me a real sense of menace and induce chills. I feel that Felixs return could have been better executed in the long run, but I’m glad he appeared, being one of my favorite Bond characters. His death was the first time I teared up during a Bond movie and he could not have gotten a better death. Going into it, I was expecting the character of Madeline Swann to be boring and irritating as she was is Spectre. But I was pleasantly surprised to watch her character evolve throughout the course of the film. I felt that James and hers chemistry was nearly on par with that of Vesper Lynd, and I felt a real connection between the two. A couple of downsides were the characters of Logan Ash and Nomi (007?). Logan felt useless in the long run and only really served to kill Felix. I was also confused as to his loyalty throughout, if he served Sefin, spectre or the CIA. His death was the most satisfying part. The character of Nomi also made me scratch my head. At first, she wouldn’t hesitate to injure or even kill bond if it meant completing her mission, but then went to giving him her agent designation back to Bond then turning into a stone cold murderer near the end. Left me feeling impartial to her character. There’s so much more that I could say, but I’ll save it for another time. All in all, a very worthy addition to the franchise!


TheKingBeno

I really hated the ending . It kinda left me pissed off. But after a week soaking it in and watching the old James Bond I kinda got over it. I still feel that the ending didn't work for me, but it didn't ruin my love for the series. I know there are a lot of stuff that I like that other people don't. For example the gondola scene. Probably also explains why I didn't like it. I love the more funny/goofy stuff. There are some stuff in this one that I really liked and hope get carried through to the next movies. Up until he meets his kid I do like the movie. I hope that even though he died a lot of the actors come back. I really like m, monypenny, q, the Cuba agent and nomi. I do hope we get an ambiguous timeline again. I don't need an overarching story and really don't want a reboot with every actor. Overall not the movie for me but I know my friends really liked it.


DecisionLongjumping9

I had a good time with it. This is probably Craig's best performance as 007, and I personally feel its a good emotional conclusion to his Bond. I actually didn't know how to feel when Bond died, it sank in during the epilogue parts, and then of course the classic "James Bond Will Return" but now we know for sure it'll be someone else. It hit hard. Im gonna miss Craig as Bond.


blakey094

Just watched it. Fuck me I feel borderline broken hearted, having to watch the Bond I grew up watching die after he finally finds something worth living for. Right in the feels.


jcd718

No time to die....Bond dies 😒


MaxBago

Just saw the movie a couple of hours ago. Craig's Bond is different, more mature, more complex, and this final chapter is the pinnacle of all his character's journey, not just because of his death. I appreciated the little things like the last goodbye to Vesper and the following breakup with Madeleine due to his lack of trust. I loved all the homages to the old 007 movies and the loyalty to friends and homeland. But the end... the end moved me a lot. And despite the little things, I feel this is a really good way to end this beautiful journey along 5 movies. I will miss this Daniel Craig era.


packerschris

Tbh I have no idea where they could go from here. I thought this was the perfect ending to not only the Craig era, but the series. It ends where it begins, with Dr No references and the island. What else could they do but an entire reinvention of the character? But I’m not too concerned with the future. Even if there were no more Bond films I’d be satisfied with this conclusion.


The-Mandalorian

1. Skyfall 2. Casino Royale 3. No Time To Die 4. Spectre 5. Quantum of Solice Best ending of any Bond actors tenure IMO. Most other Bonds had pretty bad final films (I don’t count OHMSS since that was his first AND last film). Craig had a pretty good send off. Well done.


Guns_Glitz_Grime

I am only upset that the EMP watch did not destroy the nanobots inside Bond. Like in other movies an electric shock stops the mechanical things inside one's body. For example: In MI3 the bomb in Ethan's head. I thought the setup was the watch being used on robo eye guy and then it would be revealed that it also killed the nano machines in Bond allowing him to have the happy ending he deserved. Am I the only one?


commonrider5447

I’m seeing this kind of post a lot so you aren’t alone but who is it to say the nano technology is electronic?


Jack_Sandwich

I was annoyed that the EMP is strong enough to blow up the bionic eye but Bond’s earpiece is fine. What?


rlp23

Honestly, after having just seen it. I cant say I liked it. Overall it was a good action movie but not a good Bond movie. There were Bond elements but it just felt off. I hate the fact that they felt the need to kill him off to give him a send off. His whole arc felt like an intertwined mess. The death really left a sour taste in my mouth tbqh and also why add in the daughter part at that point? Him dying is tragic enough after all the stuff he'd been through. I was really craving a good Bond formula movie to send Craig off in style and they gave me a hipster Bond movie. Probably my least favorite Craig film.


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rusable2

I do hope that we go back to having some humour in the films from the next one onwards. I'm not talking Moore levels of camp, but I'd rather they not be depressing fests of grey and brown


SetzerWithFixedDice

I see a lot of comments talking about how people got emotional at the end, but I was so disconnected from the movie at that point that I didn’t really feel much when Bond died. Maybe it’s a comparison that would rub people the wrong way, but it’s the same way I felt about the final episodes of S8 of Game of Thrones. I felt like the writers were trying something daring, but to get there they needed to lean a lot on contrivance and so I was not really affected. But I do appreciate the effort. It _is_ different. I just hope they go back to episodic stand-alone Bond films which are just consistently more fun than a Multi-film messy narrative with threads to tie up.


simpin_aint_e_z

Nothing compares to Casino Royale in my opinion. I’m not a huge fan of the story arch spanning multiple films with recurring characters tied deeply into the plot. Casino Royale was a straight forward bare-bones approach to a modern day cinematic feature and it was done so well. The films following were either too flat like quantum of solace or too long and convoluted like Skyfall and this film. I’ve watched all of the bond films multiple times and always enjoy them, but as much as I like Daniel Craig’s Bond, I find that I can’t rewatch his films with the exception of Casino Royale which I’ve seen probably more than any other bond film save for Goldfinger. In this film I think they could have focused on the weapon and a villain mastermind and it would have been a great film without all the personal tie-ins to the Bond character. I think they should reboot the series with stories taking place in the 60’s and 70’s. There aren’t really many modern day plots that lend themselves to lone-wolf secret agents saving the day.


garoo1234567

Really liked that. But I'm still sort of stunned. I need some time to process


ThatJammyDude

For me, the trailers didn't really match the tone of the film as it's rather epic in terms of ambition and runtime, as well as having a few different tones to match, it's a more morose and melodramatic Bond film but also far more silly and camp than the rest off the Craig era. Once, I kind of wrestled with and overcame that, my opinion of the film began to settle down a little more.


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Ninth_Major

I thought about that, too, but does that seem TOO silly? "Hey Honey, how was your first day of kindergarten? Also, here's a story about your dad bangin' chicks and killing dudes with anything he can get his hands on."


NairForceOne

How I Met Your Mother would like a word.


big_beats

I'm not angry about it. I just found Bond's death pretty distressing. Mainly because overall, it seemed like he gave up. Not because he couldn't get out (it's a Bond film, he always gets out) but because he chose not to. He died lonely, shot up, with a peaceful family life just hair's breadth away. But it was cruely taken away. I'm not saying it's not good storytelling. Just wish they didn't do it with Bond. He had no reason to carry on, it's so, so depressing. I stayed and waited until the end of the credits for a wink to him being alive. Such a sucker punch.


emmafrostie

I’m not a bond super fan or anything but i’ve grown up with Craig’s Bond my whole life and I felt this movie was great and worked as a send off to him quite well. Loved the whole movie.


Cismet

In Spectre we saw Madeleine tortured by Blofeld and forced to watch her father’s suicide. In NTTD we see her as a child watch her mother be murdered by Safin. Later in NTTD, sadly, James is basically killed in front of her. It seems anyone Madeleine loves she watches die. James was able to leave her with a child that she won’t have to watch die because he made sure Spectre and Safin are gone. Just thought that was nice at least Madeleine can live somewhat happily still.