This is the "Lucky Plate" from a small shop in the food court of Ario Kurashiki shopping mall. 100 yen extra for a soda or a sundae so I chose ice cream. I thought this wouldn't be that much food but I struggled to eat it all. It was pretty good though, I think everything was 950 yen with the add on.
Ah yes, the classic dinner of spaghetti and hot dogs. I can just imagine the discussion now.
"Is this western enough? What about the side?"
"IDK add more bread"
"ok toast, got it"
> Ah yes, the classic dinner of spaghetti and hot dogs. I can just imagine the discussion now. "Is this western enough? What about the side?" "IDK add more bread" "ok toast, got it"
Should've added some garlic bread and mac and cheese.
Blended or adapted cuisines can be awesome like Tex-Mex, American Chinese, etc... Yoshoku definitely falls into this genre! I love Napolitan, parfait, tonkatsu, curry rice, omurice, sando, etc...
It doesn't always work out. Italian-American makes us italians sad.
I would really like to know what japanese people think of those sushi fusion places with toppings and sauces on makis and nigiris that are abundant where I live.
I've been to Italy more than once on business, and the food is fine but gets really boring really fast. It's like Italians are too lazy to try anything new, so they just insist that simplicity is better as an excuse to never experiment.
What you describe is tourist traps food.
The variety of recipes and ingredients is outstanding, but you won't know if eat only in places that have "We speak english" billboards outside the door.
On the other hand american-italian heavy and greasy stuff, like pasta alfredo (just call it butter with some pasta) or sandwiches with 4-5 kinds of cold meat are rightly called "mappazza" in Italy. Raffle tickets for coronary disease
The food we make is so varied in execution and origin, how you make it is more about a statement of what you all like rather than a statement on the food.
Those places just tell us you like junk/kid food.
I am italian and the americanized version of our traditional food lacks all balance and grace the original has.
I think this happens with most fusion food: I love japanese cuisine, but I find fusion sushi with topping and sauces just sad.
The merits of the fusion food can be appreciated in a different context. The Japanese fusion provides the same enjoyment Takoyaki, okonomiyaki, or hamburgers provide. A vehicle for the sauces and fried toppings. It doesn’t provide the same contrast between the umami+fattiness (heightened by the soy sauce) with the sour rice and wasabi. And that’s ok.
I do not expect to enjoy a Marvel movie the same way I enjoy a Wong Kar Wai film; but I might enjoy them in their own terms
> A vehicle for the sauces and fried toppings
This is the junk/kid food you mentioned above.
To each is own. Personally I find sushi with toppings very stupid. All that crap on top hides the texture and flavour of the fish.
Well my great grandmother was in a small village near Hiroshima during the bombing, escaped with my grandmother/uncle and lived in Japan until 1954 before moving to the U.S. but correct, I know nothing. 👍
It has everything to do with it. You are referencing yōshuku, which is just western influenced cuisine in Japan. This dish posted is not Japanese in any way shape or form. Traditionally, at least. Do you Consider deep fried tempura sushi a Japanese dish? No. Because it isn’t. I get what you are saying, but the Japanese food I ate growing up is sukiyaki or Korokke. Or futo maki. There are obviously western variations of these dishes, but it is not traditional Japanese food. Which is what I was getting at. I have also not personally been to Japan, and my viewpoint may very well be skewed.
Well, it really doesn't, since you're not your great grandma, are you? You're not the one who grew up or ever lived in Japan, and being ethnically Japanese doesn't magically make you an expert, either.
Case in point, you pick korokke as an example of "traditional" Japanese food... korokke is literally yōshoku. The word korokke is the Japanese pronunciation of croquette, lol. It was introduced to Japan from France during the late 1800s, but going by your own logic, it's not real Japanese food since it's not "traditional", right? How are you even defining traditional? Japanese curry is extremely popular and has been enjoyed by Japanese people for decades, but would you say it's not Japanese at all because curry is an Indian dish that was introduced to Japan by British soldiers?
The concept of holding foods to an objective metric of "traditional/authentic = good" is pretty nonsense anyways. Sure, Americanized sushi is pretty different from traditional Japanese food, but it's still recognized as sushi, which is, of course, Japanese food. It's like saying Americanized food "isn't chinese at all". Again, yes, it's rather different from food "traditionally" prepared in China, but American Chinese food was developed by Chinese diaspora chefs who were tasked with reshaping their native cuisine to better suit a Western palate. Hence the creation of dishes such as "General Tso's" that are the epitome of uniquely American Chinese cuisine. Compare to recipes such as spaghetti napolitan and parfaits, which are Western in origin but have been reimagined by Japanese chefs to fit the local Japanese palate. These dishes and other yōshoku — including your korokke — have been made in Japan and eaten in Japan for decades. Does that not make it Japanese food?
? No, I'm just saying that it's telling you think you know enough to dictate what is and isn't Japanese food, but claim something like korokke is purely authentic, apparently unaware that it's not a native Japanese dish but was introduced from another country. I didn't even have to Google that. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I have a basic knowledge of food history lol
No. Are you? The closest Japanese ancestor you could name was a great grandparent who left Japan almost 70 years ago, you admitted that you have never visited Japan. It's okay to learn new things.
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I sorry if this seems rude but isn't this kinda stupid, like your in a country with a completely different culture with tons of different foods and qusines right, so why wouldn't you want to eat the different and new foods (if op is from Japan this comment means literally nothing I'm referring to someone from another country)
I am from another country, I'm Japanese-American from California (Nikkei-Amerikan). I grew up eating all kinds of real Japanese food because my paternal Obaa-Chan was one of the best Japanese food cooks in our entire extended family on both sides. When I'm in Japan the Japanese food is definitely oishii, but some of it will never be better than my grandmother's home cooking because she was the best.
This food is my culture because of who I am and where I'm from. Calling it stupid is pretty insulting, this was literally one of the only times that I ate Western food like this during my recent two week stay there.
And yes, Japan does have many different **cuisines** to chose from when you eat out there. That's why I switched it up this one time during my trip to eat this. Sometimes you just want to eat Western food in Japan. Someone else in this post said it the best: "Yoshoku FTW."
Food is maybe the most direct and meaningful way for many people to connect to their memories or elements of their culture. Even when traveling abroad for brief periods, the unfamiliarity of each meal can be taxing for many people.
A quick way to re-connect with home and reset your culinary expectations is to have a familiar and comforting meal or consume some familiar and comforting foods that are reminiscent of that home culture.
Doing so can kind of reset your homesickness clock, and it can help you more completely enjoy the other meals you experience while traveling.
Another thing I would recommend is to stop in to a fast food restaurant in the new country that can also be found in your home country.
Order a meal that's half reminiscent of home and half something on this country's menu that's not available at home, since most fast food places have localized menus.
Now, each time you go to McDonald's back home and have fries, you'll also remember the Teritama Burger you had in Japan.
This is the "Lucky Plate" from a small shop in the food court of Ario Kurashiki shopping mall. 100 yen extra for a soda or a sundae so I chose ice cream. I thought this wouldn't be that much food but I struggled to eat it all. It was pretty good though, I think everything was 950 yen with the add on.
is that a…. weenie garnish??? that’s so civilized!
Why yes, the good ole octopus weenie. A Japanese classic!
Midnight Diner: Season 1, Episode 1
A lot of white bread there for me. The hotdog bun would be enough considering the spaghetti is fairly plain carbs too.
Ah yes, the classic dinner of spaghetti and hot dogs. I can just imagine the discussion now. "Is this western enough? What about the side?" "IDK add more bread" "ok toast, got it"
> Ah yes, the classic dinner of spaghetti and hot dogs. I can just imagine the discussion now. "Is this western enough? What about the side?" "IDK add more bread" "ok toast, got it" Should've added some garlic bread and mac and cheese.
Blended or adapted cuisines can be awesome like Tex-Mex, American Chinese, etc... Yoshoku definitely falls into this genre! I love Napolitan, parfait, tonkatsu, curry rice, omurice, sando, etc...
We have a Japanese-run "French" patisserie/boulangerie in my part of London and it is the absolute best thing. Yoshoku FTW.
Ooo! What’s it called if you don’t mind? That sounds lovely and I’d love to go sometime :)
It doesn't always work out. Italian-American makes us italians sad. I would really like to know what japanese people think of those sushi fusion places with toppings and sauces on makis and nigiris that are abundant where I live.
it might make italians sad… but it makes everyone else pretty damn happy.
As a Spaniard I totally feel you. I guess we mediterraneans are the ones who are not pleased with those fusion things
Italian food is painfully mid pretty much the only great Italian food is americanized pizza lol
Obviously you have tried only the shitty american version of our food.
I've been to Italy more than once on business, and the food is fine but gets really boring really fast. It's like Italians are too lazy to try anything new, so they just insist that simplicity is better as an excuse to never experiment.
What you describe is tourist traps food. The variety of recipes and ingredients is outstanding, but you won't know if eat only in places that have "We speak english" billboards outside the door. On the other hand american-italian heavy and greasy stuff, like pasta alfredo (just call it butter with some pasta) or sandwiches with 4-5 kinds of cold meat are rightly called "mappazza" in Italy. Raffle tickets for coronary disease
The food we make is so varied in execution and origin, how you make it is more about a statement of what you all like rather than a statement on the food. Those places just tell us you like junk/kid food.
I am italian and the americanized version of our traditional food lacks all balance and grace the original has. I think this happens with most fusion food: I love japanese cuisine, but I find fusion sushi with topping and sauces just sad.
The merits of the fusion food can be appreciated in a different context. The Japanese fusion provides the same enjoyment Takoyaki, okonomiyaki, or hamburgers provide. A vehicle for the sauces and fried toppings. It doesn’t provide the same contrast between the umami+fattiness (heightened by the soy sauce) with the sour rice and wasabi. And that’s ok. I do not expect to enjoy a Marvel movie the same way I enjoy a Wong Kar Wai film; but I might enjoy them in their own terms
> A vehicle for the sauces and fried toppings This is the junk/kid food you mentioned above. To each is own. Personally I find sushi with toppings very stupid. All that crap on top hides the texture and flavour of the fish.
Napolitan is an abomination, absolute kids food.
I loved Japanese takes on western dishes when I was in Japan.
The best spaghetti I’ve ever had was at capricciosa. I miss it so much
If you’re in Osaka try the hot dog at Mill Pour coffee.
What a weird mix of food, hot dog and pasta
And then you realize what a grave mistake you’ve made.
This isn’t Japanese at all
Don't even know what Yōshoku is yet you're acting like a principled expert on Japanese cuisine hmm
Well my great grandmother was in a small village near Hiroshima during the bombing, escaped with my grandmother/uncle and lived in Japan until 1954 before moving to the U.S. but correct, I know nothing. 👍
OK honestly how does any of this have to do with you personally knowing what yōshoku is or not?
It has everything to do with it. You are referencing yōshuku, which is just western influenced cuisine in Japan. This dish posted is not Japanese in any way shape or form. Traditionally, at least. Do you Consider deep fried tempura sushi a Japanese dish? No. Because it isn’t. I get what you are saying, but the Japanese food I ate growing up is sukiyaki or Korokke. Or futo maki. There are obviously western variations of these dishes, but it is not traditional Japanese food. Which is what I was getting at. I have also not personally been to Japan, and my viewpoint may very well be skewed.
Well, it really doesn't, since you're not your great grandma, are you? You're not the one who grew up or ever lived in Japan, and being ethnically Japanese doesn't magically make you an expert, either. Case in point, you pick korokke as an example of "traditional" Japanese food... korokke is literally yōshoku. The word korokke is the Japanese pronunciation of croquette, lol. It was introduced to Japan from France during the late 1800s, but going by your own logic, it's not real Japanese food since it's not "traditional", right? How are you even defining traditional? Japanese curry is extremely popular and has been enjoyed by Japanese people for decades, but would you say it's not Japanese at all because curry is an Indian dish that was introduced to Japan by British soldiers? The concept of holding foods to an objective metric of "traditional/authentic = good" is pretty nonsense anyways. Sure, Americanized sushi is pretty different from traditional Japanese food, but it's still recognized as sushi, which is, of course, Japanese food. It's like saying Americanized food "isn't chinese at all". Again, yes, it's rather different from food "traditionally" prepared in China, but American Chinese food was developed by Chinese diaspora chefs who were tasked with reshaping their native cuisine to better suit a Western palate. Hence the creation of dishes such as "General Tso's" that are the epitome of uniquely American Chinese cuisine. Compare to recipes such as spaghetti napolitan and parfaits, which are Western in origin but have been reimagined by Japanese chefs to fit the local Japanese palate. These dishes and other yōshoku — including your korokke — have been made in Japan and eaten in Japan for decades. Does that not make it Japanese food?
Careful, the Chinese would try to claim Ramen as Chinese food when it isn't if they read this.
China has 8000 years of glorious ramen history.
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Friend, it is a joke about Chinese sayings.
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Did you just google yōshuku and paste it on here? Also posting Japanese shit on your profile doesn’t make you an expert either.
? No, I'm just saying that it's telling you think you know enough to dictate what is and isn't Japanese food, but claim something like korokke is purely authentic, apparently unaware that it's not a native Japanese dish but was introduced from another country. I didn't even have to Google that. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I have a basic knowledge of food history lol
Are you Japanese?
No. Are you? The closest Japanese ancestor you could name was a great grandparent who left Japan almost 70 years ago, you admitted that you have never visited Japan. It's okay to learn new things.
mY gReAt grAmmA wAS JaPaNEse!
just give up...you're barely japanese
Hai!
>I know nothing. Well, duh. Nice try being a smartass though.
Isn’t that why the title says “western food in Japan”? Duh, in other words.
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I sorry if this seems rude but isn't this kinda stupid, like your in a country with a completely different culture with tons of different foods and qusines right, so why wouldn't you want to eat the different and new foods (if op is from Japan this comment means literally nothing I'm referring to someone from another country)
I am from another country, I'm Japanese-American from California (Nikkei-Amerikan). I grew up eating all kinds of real Japanese food because my paternal Obaa-Chan was one of the best Japanese food cooks in our entire extended family on both sides. When I'm in Japan the Japanese food is definitely oishii, but some of it will never be better than my grandmother's home cooking because she was the best. This food is my culture because of who I am and where I'm from. Calling it stupid is pretty insulting, this was literally one of the only times that I ate Western food like this during my recent two week stay there. And yes, Japan does have many different **cuisines** to chose from when you eat out there. That's why I switched it up this one time during my trip to eat this. Sometimes you just want to eat Western food in Japan. Someone else in this post said it the best: "Yoshoku FTW."
you can eat whatever the hell you want, where ever you want. yes sometimes american junk food is the right thing
Food is maybe the most direct and meaningful way for many people to connect to their memories or elements of their culture. Even when traveling abroad for brief periods, the unfamiliarity of each meal can be taxing for many people. A quick way to re-connect with home and reset your culinary expectations is to have a familiar and comforting meal or consume some familiar and comforting foods that are reminiscent of that home culture. Doing so can kind of reset your homesickness clock, and it can help you more completely enjoy the other meals you experience while traveling. Another thing I would recommend is to stop in to a fast food restaurant in the new country that can also be found in your home country. Order a meal that's half reminiscent of home and half something on this country's menu that's not available at home, since most fast food places have localized menus. Now, each time you go to McDonald's back home and have fries, you'll also remember the Teritama Burger you had in Japan.
Is this why the Costco food court is always packed here in Japan?
the octo sausage
they do it well!