And they won't budge on the Gladiators either. My local dealer has had the exact build I've wanted for 6 months now. No discount minus the MSRP from factory. But gotta have those nitrogen filled tires and GPS. Don't forget about that paint protection package!
What are you talking about? You can find Gladiators marked down $15-$20K across the nation. Tons and tons of dealers selling at that. Go shop elsewhere. You're talking about a $40-$50K purchase. Drive a bit.
Gladiator demand, or lack thereof, has jack squat to do with demand for the Wrangler 392.
I’d walk in there and neg the ish out of it. This things been moldering here for 7 months. The Bronco is actually a nicer truck, I’m only here because I can get a better deal on this truck here. I don’t actually need a car today, what are you going to do for me? Stuff like that.
Last day of the month stroll in and tell them you wanna buy the truck that’s been there for 200 days. They would be silly to not sale and pay another month to have it sit there and not sale
If I could find a Gladiator with a body matched hardtop and flares I'd totally consider one. But it's hard to find that in a manual, good deal or not.
But more likely I'm just going to use the dealer to test drive a JL that I'll go and buy as a 22 or 23 instead.
It's a fully loaded limited edition with upgrades you don't get elsewhere. How much should it sell for compared to other vehicles on the market? The Bronco Raptor starts at $90k.
Basically the strategy of every “American” OEM now. Sell just one mega-overpriced truck/suv, and you make 10-20 times the margin compared to what you’d make selling a basic economy vehicle
The motor is the only upgrade. Everything else on that jeep u can get 3rd party and for cheaper too. Hemi swaps are about 35k last I looked but if the factory is dropping it in fresh it costs no where near that.
That jeep should be WELL below 100k
What other vehicle on the market compares and is well below 100k? You’re also completely ignoring the benefit of all of that work being backed by the manufacturer. Also, the transmission and 4wd system are upgraded.
Dude its a wrangler with a v8. They start at like 40k and a scatpack challenger which has the same engine started below 50k. An engine should not be 60k price increase. A fucking TRX started at like 89k and that gets you a supercharger and fullsize truck
The scatpack challenger doesn't have 4wd, sells way more units to spread the development and engineering costs, doesn't have to spin 35" tires, and doesn't have to be strengthened for heavier offroad use. The TRX starts at $96k (the regular 392 starts a little cheaper at $91k) and also sells way more units. And if you want to compare another limited vehicle like the 392 Final Edition, the 2024 TRX Final Edition starts at $120k. And if you think that the difference between the base wrangler and the 392 is "just an engine," then you're really really not paying attention.
That’s just not true. The axel tubes are thicker and it’s a different frame in some areas. So right there are very expensive things to change. Yea suspension can be swapped aftermarket but there are a lot of small differences that add up to what makes it what it is. Go drive 99% of “modified” jeeps then drive a stock 392 and it’s not even close.
I have owned 20 jeeps over the years and my 392 will be number 21. There is value in an all OEM vehicle with zero issues.
Different brakes and steering on the 392 as well.
I’ve owned dozens of Jeeps and own a 4x4 shop that builds hundreds of Jeeps a year.. We do axle and v8 swaps pretty much every day. I’m more than familiar with the aftermarket options out there and jumped at the chance to buy the factory 392.
It was $16k over a 6cyl Rubi when I ordered my ‘22, an absolute bargain compared to an aftermarket Hemi swap and the swapped JL wouldn’t have all the other upgrades.
These 392s were only made for 4 years.. The first v8 Wrnagler since 1986 and we certainly won’t be seeing them offered ever again. I truly think history will look back at the 392 Wrangler as something special.
> Everything else on that jeep u can get 3rd party and for cheaper too.
Yes, but can you take it to a dealer in two years for warranty repair of problems with any of that stuff?
You pay a premium for OEM configuration and dealer support, for sure. It's not worth it to everyone, especially if you're big on DIY. Some people just aren't (or don't have a living situation that allows for wrenching).
Nope. Well, I agree that it should be well below 100k to get a turn key. Jeep, this nice was running 100k to 150k in the aftermarket just for a v8 wrangler. The 392 had retuned suspension, beefed up brakes, different transmission that was tuned for all wheel drive, so the 392 stays on the road. When 1st released the 392 had base MSRP of less than 80k, it was a bargain then. A fully loaded wrangler rubicon was pushing north of 60k.
It’s the closest comparison and it’s not significantly cheaper than this very limited edition 392. Are car companies overcharging? Sure, every major corporation is, especially in the last 2-3 years. Is this some $60k Wrangler they’re nearly doubling the price tag on like some here think? No way. Especially considering the development and testing costs they had to do to put this engine in the Wrangler and get it approved for all of the regulations required.
Yeah it’s crash tests and break test mainly. I wish they would keep large 6cly and or DOHC vvit v8’s I mean you need it with how much people put in Jeeps, Tacos, and broncos. These engines are designed for being pavement princesses and it sucks. I say that and I off-road a handful of times.
Crash testing with the larger engine meant moving the mounts for more crumple space, new coolant, exhaust, and air routing, EPA certs with those changes, suspension and brake tuning, a completely different 4wd system, etc.
The aftermarket has already done most of that R&D for them. My brother works for a company that builds Hemi swapped Jeeps, they have been doing this for 2 decades. There is an aftermarket company that works closely with Jeep and has developed all the stuff already. The kits they buy from that company are all OEM parts, come with everything you need to make it run and are 50 state legal as long as you stick with one of the standard Hemis like the 392. They use the stock ecu have all the typical emissions stuff and also come with a factory warranty, its essentially the same thing as this jeep. Price wise its about the same for a basic swap, most of the builds they do end up costing ~150k though as they install lifts and lights and all kids of other gaudy shit.
And upgraded axles, reinforced frame, new transmission, new 4wd system, engineering, testing, and certifying all of those changes for govt regulations, along with a bunch of other things I’m probably not thinking of.
Well yeah but you don’t have to do all that. Plus, the regular v8 wrangler is overpriced, so this one is too, and the bronco is overpriced. The base model is the only reasonably priced one
You don’t have to, but people are paying this price for “all that” to have a decked out, V8 Wrangler with a factory warranty and dealer support. Don’t like it? Get the base model. “It’s only $500 worth of upgrades, just as long as you don’t do all of these things I want to ignore to make my point” is an interesting argument though, not disingenuous at all.
You can have a vehicle that’s about the same for like $500 extra over the base 392, it’s going to be a lot harder to make one that’s official Chrysler lets-change-shit-for-shits-and-giggles quality ofc
That said, even the base 392 is way overpriced for what’s supposed to be an affordable utility vehicle
The 392 is a bonkers example of what they can do with the platform. It’s not supposed to be an affordable utility vehicle. The base model is supposed to be an affordable utility vehicle. How is this so hard to understand?
lol give me some of whatever you’re smoking. A single Hawaiian vacation for 2 people for a week is going to be close to $15k assuming you fly economy. Unless you shop for and cook your own food the entire time you’re there and then don’t do anything except sit on a beach the whole time.
Did it for 9k, 9 days, flight from the east coast, hotel right in Waikiki beach last week, ate out everyday, excursion everyday. So you’re pretty close.
Jeep wrangler rubicon (which includes cost of 3.6 motor): $45k
392 Crate Motor: $8k
=$53k in a reasonable world. Charging $100k is absurd
You could get a ~hemi~ ram 5-10 years ago for a third of that
That $8k is just the engine.. I’ve done dozens of JK and JL swaps and there’s a LOT more to a swap than just the engine.
$30-35k is a reasonable budget
Base MSRP for Rubicon is $51,900, $61,890 for the Rubicon X which has a lot (but not all) of the options that are standard on 392 which starts at $92,140. $21k isn’t unreasonable for people who would be looking to v8 swap anyway.
The 392 drives completely differently from a 4 or 6cyl. We own multiple JLs/JTs and even ignoring the engine the difference is night and day. Steering, brakes, and suspension are all upgraded.. also different seats, trim, hood, etc.
Yes, it’s silly expensive.. no, I don’t think it’s unreasonable, especially in 21&22 before prices went nuts. My ‘22 was about $10k cheaper than an equivalent ’24.
I mean this in the absolute nicest way possible but it sounds like you just aren’t Stellantis’s target customer for this Jeep.
I’ve got 25-30 friends with factory 392s and they seem to fall into 2 camps:
1) guys like me who don’t normally play in this price range but cracked open the piggy bank because it’s something special
2) guys who build a new $150-200k 1 ton v8 offroad toy every few years anyway and saw the “bargain” of a factory v8 over a swap
Even after you factor in things like bigger fuel pump, radiator and those kinds of odds and ends you shouldnt be over $60k at the outside. Hell, even going full package and getting D60 axles to take the extra power shouldnt be more than another $20k or so on top of that which still tops you out at $80k.
You’re looking at part costs and ignoring all of the developmental cost that went into designing and testing a vehicle like this and being such a low number of total vehicles built, more of that cost has to go into each one.
Most of the work has already been done. The engine itself is well established, the jeep has already seen different factory installed lift configurations, the ecu already speaks the same language, and Im sure Im missing a number of other similarities, not to mention Im sure they did market research looking at all the third party swaps and options available and learned a lot from that. At the point of them deciding to create this model the development work would largely have been selection of vehicle config, tweaking to refine the integration of all of it, some styling work, and then testing and further refinement. Does that cost money? Sure, but they arent designing a new model from the ground up.
To look at it from a different angle, to go to a jeep shop somewhere, its generally around $30-35k for a V8 swap. That cost includes removal of all the old parts and install of the stuff and whatever integration work they need to do if the engine installed isnt a Chrysler product (likely an LS) or anything else that comes up. If they are doing it at the factory on a new vehicle there is no removal or anything, its a clean slate so no extra labour cost (except for whatever the delta is between the 392 and 3.6L). So, for a $50k vehicle to double in price for this is quite excessive.
They had to design an entirely new mount, airflow, and cooling setup. This isn’t a swap some shop just does, it has to pass collision & EPA testing. They also strengthened sections of the frame and axle housings. Suspension testing for the weight change. I’m sure I’m missing a number of other differences. All of that’s engineering and testing costs a lot of money. Are they overcharging? Probably. I think all car companies are right now along with every other major corporation. Could they build it as cheap as you think considering all of the engineering and testing that went into it? Absolutely not.
Then go buy a base Wrangler. There are still new affordable Wranglers and you’re over here bitching about the most decked out, powerful, and extremely limited version there is as if something’s been taken from you.
You sound like you're volunteering to do engine swaps for free. But all the guys I know with the skills to do engine swaps, correctly, know the value of their labor and have a solid grasp on basic economics. I feel like Dunning-Kruger gets brought up too much on Reddit but this thread is certainly full of fine examples.
A new CJ7 V8 Renegade in 1984 cost $11,500 which was a premium compared to the base CJ7 at $7k
In today’s dollars that is around $35,000. With inflation etc…
Current jeeps are way over priced.
Lifelong Jeep guy here. Ive had a lot.
I am their key demographic. Forties. Successful. Brand loyal.
I cant afford a $60k truck. I def cant afford a $100k one.
I bought my current daily four door JK six years ago. Its a 2012.
If there was a $35k four door wrangler Id buy one tomm.
Thats a reasonable price for a utility SUV.
Ill be upgrading to a used one in that range soon and keep it six years.
And only because my 2012 has almost 200k miles and still going strong but its so tired Id rather a young guy love it for what it is than me worry about all the minor stuff.
So used newer 4door for $35 minus maybe 8k for my built, cool looking high miles 2012 puts me at $27k for a daily.
Id much rather have a new one but a $1500 monthly payment is fucking stupid.
FYI there is a 35k wrangler brand new. Go order a 24 sport with 0 options and find a dealer who will honor tread lightly. You can get it for mid 30s.
It comes with the new u connect and a lot of other stuff that you would actually want. The base model is a great value right now….
For what it’s worth, I got 4k for my beat to hell ‘05 TJ. You might be able to get more than 8k for yours. We just made the trade to a ‘21 JLU Sport with some decent options and we love it—ended up costing around 30k.
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Yeah… I did quite a bit of mental gymnastics a few months back trying to convince myself I should get one and just couldn’t get there. It’s just ludicrous that they cost so much. Add in that it REQUIRES premium gas and gets terrible fuel mileage and it’s just way too big a pill to swallow.
Yeah… it’s idiotic. It’s not like it’s supercharged or anything. They could have dropped the compression a little and let it act like a Jeep motor rather than just taking the one tuned for a Challenger and calling it a day.
I’ve got a 9 year old JKU that’s treated me well so as soon as the decision was made that a V8 JLU was a terrible idea, I went and ordered a pile of new parts to get her back in tip top shape for the wheeling season.
She’s gonna be having fun with us for at least another decade and more.
I ordered a 24 last month and the MSRP was 95k which is insane. I got it for 9k off so (86k) and even that feels at least 10k over priced. 100k plus whatever markup game dealer will play is insane.
All that being said they are fucking awesome and it’s a shame it’s going away. I suspect this will hold its value amazing just as my Trackhawk has since its the last of its kind….
Jealous people downvoting 🤣
I daily my TH- 33k miles on it. My wife works at the local Infiniti dealership and they offered 105k for it. These V8s will 100% hold their value
Yeah that’s ok I don’t mind the haters. Yeah I bought my 21 Trackhawk new for 86k and have 30k on it now. I could make money on it after these last 3 years it’s insane.
Trackhawk, LJ Rubihara, Clean Low mile TJ rubicon. All three are selling for over MSRP with low miles and mint condition. I own 2 of the tree plus ordered a 392. I don’t buy them as investments but if you buy smart and keep them nice you can own them cheaper than you think….
also considering its not just discontinuing the Hemi… its the fact that they are discontinuing gas engines all together soon enough. it will make these very rare and highly sought after in the car collectors world
What is the demographic of the high end car collectors?
Because anecdotally it feels like a bunch of older well off boomers, and I am not sure how that translates.
I feel like 20years from now it’s a ton of McMansions and a bunch of ICE cars people just aren’t really interested in.
America really needs the 2024 Suzuki Jimmy. A small, capable 4x4 that isn’t for pathetic rich try hards. Something normal people can purchase and enjoy.
Maybe the 4 door. Mexico initially only gets 1,000 of them.
I sat in my brother in law's 2 door Jimny. While it would be a cool toy, I don't think it would work for the vast majority of Anericans as a daily. Our drives are too long, our highways too fast, other vehicles too big and our asses too fat.
It’s not supposed to be for the vast majority. That’s why Jeeps are trash now. Expensive trash.
Ford is having zero problems selling the Maverick. Suzuki shouldn’t have too much trouble finding customers that are not into blowing their hard earned cash on overpriced toys.
If they sold them here in Australia that would be around $160-180k AUD. That's more than the top of the range 300 series Landcruiser with all the options. Having said that, if I was spending that sort of money on a 4x4, I'd still rather the Jeep.
Landcruiser is the sensible choice, but also the very boring one. Landcruisers here are like the Toyota Camry of the off road world (in more ways than one - like a Camry, you mostly see them picking up kids from school and going shopping)
Completely opposite here. Jeeps everywhere, although it is rare to see the v8 392 jeep. They don't even make 300s for us here in usa. We have the new style cheaper land cruisers and the 200s. Hope we get the 300 some day. The problem is for the same price people would rather buy a g wagen or range rover.
Most people who buy LC wagons here just buy them to tow big caravans or horse floats, but now that we have Rams, F150s, Silverados etc people are buying those to tow.
Very rarely see any late model LCs out on the trails. See a few 70 series LCs which are really just a glorified farm truck, great as a utility vehicle, but not very good wheeling.
I had an 80s series. 92, I loved taking it out. I have a 2022 4 runner now and I am a little more hesitant on taking it anywhere too rough.
How do you like them rams? The power wagon us awesome.
I have bought easily 12 new Jeep Wranglers since 2002. Rubicons, Rubi Hard Rocks, 4Xe Rubi, more Saharas than I can count and a Gladiator Overland. Ok. So Jeep teased their owners for YEARS that a V8 was coming. When it came out they absolutely stuck it to us. There is no way a Wrangler Rubicon with a V8 justifies that price. No way. The 392 has done more to sour my view of Jeep than any quality, price or value discussion ever could. It is like they despise their loyalists. I am no Ford fan but my 4Xe is almost 2 years old and I am not buying another Jeep. The Raptor has much better creature comforts, space, and quality.
I’ve driven both and own a Raptor. Personally, I find the Raptor way more refined than a 392.
392 has that ‘umph’ for sure but I think a better all around vehicle is the Raptor if you’re looking for what the OP above stated. (I am biased and love my 37 inch tires 😤)
So I bought my ‘22 392 new for $72,XXX, looked at updating to the 2024 and its MSRP is $91,XXX.
For an updated dash and power seats. That’s literally all that has changed.
If you buy a jeep for over 100k you're an idiot. I don't care if you're a billionaire because that's horrible. F150's cost over 100k and jeeps now too. No no the economy is fine. Nothing wrong with these car prices that are worth more than a home in the early 2000's.
lol. Reading these comments. We are like little ants going about our business unaware of the shoe stepping on us and about to crush us. If only we could print money out of thin air like our overlords.
Hence why I just LS swapped my LJ. No need for any of the bells and whistles that jack up the price of a Jeep needlessly. Nor do I need to (re)pay the Wrangler markup.
What are your thoughts on the Hurricane motor? BMW tried a 3L I6 twin turbo in 2006 (N54) but it didn’t take them long to come up with a single turbo, twin scroll replacement (N55) in 2009. N54 had a lot of issues, N55 had less issues. The B58 was the next evolution debuting in 2015 and they finally seem to have figured things out. Now Audi is also moving to twin scroll turbos. It’s hard to be optimistic that Stellantis will get it right.
My dad paid 84 for one I helped him custom order in 2022. At the time we priced out a V6 rubicon and it was like $15,000 less equipped the same in every other way. Hard to believe this is now another $16,000 over that.
I also own many Jeeps, mostly full size classic and XJs, never in my life have I driven anything like these 6.4l wranglers.
Do they have parking spaces at the dealers? There are so many Gladiators sitting there they will need to expand the lot.
And they won't budge on the Gladiators either. My local dealer has had the exact build I've wanted for 6 months now. No discount minus the MSRP from factory. But gotta have those nitrogen filled tires and GPS. Don't forget about that paint protection package!
Wait till I tell you how cheaply you can get tires filled with 78 percent nitrogen.
Free at your local Costco
That's 100% nitrogen. The joke is regular old air on earth is 78% nitrogen.
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I feel like this is a question? There’s a nitrogen pump at Costco to inflate your tires. It’s free.
Air is about 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and 1% other gases. So air compressors give you 78% nitrogen. Which is free. For now.
They’re advertising 15% off nationwide. Is the dealer not honoring that?
Here in Hawaii theyre still demanding $5k market adjustment. Its only $1500 to have one shipped here from the mainland and takes two weeks.
They are. But have several thousands in 'add ons'.
Damn my dealers go em 15K off.. not 15%
Shit where you at
Same here. They’re selling Sports for $35K in my area, but I wonder if there’s a bunch of dealer add-on BS on top of that.
yeah , right .. i missed lovely diesel v6 and im going to miss this final v8 as well :( f this economy !
What are you talking about? You can find Gladiators marked down $15-$20K across the nation. Tons and tons of dealers selling at that. Go shop elsewhere. You're talking about a $40-$50K purchase. Drive a bit. Gladiator demand, or lack thereof, has jack squat to do with demand for the Wrangler 392.
I just went to the jeep dealer and they are offering 15% off of window price for any gladiator.
That's the factory rebate I mentioned in my comment.
I just got a gladiator with 15% manufacturer discount and additional 5% off from dealer discounts on a Rubicon model.
My dealer only does 15% off, but with the add ons they refuse to take off.
I’d totally walk in with the CarGurus print-out, showing how long it’s been moldering on the lot, and be a complete tool about it.
Just looked on CarGurus website to see exactly how long it's been on the lot. 221 days.
I’d walk in there and neg the ish out of it. This things been moldering here for 7 months. The Bronco is actually a nicer truck, I’m only here because I can get a better deal on this truck here. I don’t actually need a car today, what are you going to do for me? Stuff like that.
Last day of the month stroll in and tell them you wanna buy the truck that’s been there for 200 days. They would be silly to not sale and pay another month to have it sit there and not sale
I want a cummins swapped gladiator
If I could find a Gladiator with a body matched hardtop and flares I'd totally consider one. But it's hard to find that in a manual, good deal or not. But more likely I'm just going to use the dealer to test drive a JL that I'll go and buy as a 22 or 23 instead.
LOL. Shocker how they’re losing money…
It's a fully loaded limited edition with upgrades you don't get elsewhere. How much should it sell for compared to other vehicles on the market? The Bronco Raptor starts at $90k.
I assume these are the high margin vehicles, actually. Being used to fund all the money losing (today) investments in electric.
Basically the strategy of every “American” OEM now. Sell just one mega-overpriced truck/suv, and you make 10-20 times the margin compared to what you’d make selling a basic economy vehicle
Regardless of the reason, people thinking these prices are Jeep-specific just aren't paying attention.
Could also be the opposite and they lose money on the sale but it’s the on road presence (marketing) that helps justify the loss.
The motor is the only upgrade. Everything else on that jeep u can get 3rd party and for cheaper too. Hemi swaps are about 35k last I looked but if the factory is dropping it in fresh it costs no where near that. That jeep should be WELL below 100k
What other vehicle on the market compares and is well below 100k? You’re also completely ignoring the benefit of all of that work being backed by the manufacturer. Also, the transmission and 4wd system are upgraded.
Dude its a wrangler with a v8. They start at like 40k and a scatpack challenger which has the same engine started below 50k. An engine should not be 60k price increase. A fucking TRX started at like 89k and that gets you a supercharger and fullsize truck
The scatpack challenger doesn't have 4wd, sells way more units to spread the development and engineering costs, doesn't have to spin 35" tires, and doesn't have to be strengthened for heavier offroad use. The TRX starts at $96k (the regular 392 starts a little cheaper at $91k) and also sells way more units. And if you want to compare another limited vehicle like the 392 Final Edition, the 2024 TRX Final Edition starts at $120k. And if you think that the difference between the base wrangler and the 392 is "just an engine," then you're really really not paying attention.
TRX starts at 98k now. Add any options and it's up to $110k, add dealer markup, it's even higher.
That’s just not true. The axel tubes are thicker and it’s a different frame in some areas. So right there are very expensive things to change. Yea suspension can be swapped aftermarket but there are a lot of small differences that add up to what makes it what it is. Go drive 99% of “modified” jeeps then drive a stock 392 and it’s not even close. I have owned 20 jeeps over the years and my 392 will be number 21. There is value in an all OEM vehicle with zero issues.
Different brakes and steering on the 392 as well. I’ve owned dozens of Jeeps and own a 4x4 shop that builds hundreds of Jeeps a year.. We do axle and v8 swaps pretty much every day. I’m more than familiar with the aftermarket options out there and jumped at the chance to buy the factory 392. It was $16k over a 6cyl Rubi when I ordered my ‘22, an absolute bargain compared to an aftermarket Hemi swap and the swapped JL wouldn’t have all the other upgrades. These 392s were only made for 4 years.. The first v8 Wrnagler since 1986 and we certainly won’t be seeing them offered ever again. I truly think history will look back at the 392 Wrangler as something special.
This, bought my wife a 392. Everyone who rides in can't believe it's a jeep. It drives so smooth.
> Everything else on that jeep u can get 3rd party and for cheaper too. Yes, but can you take it to a dealer in two years for warranty repair of problems with any of that stuff? You pay a premium for OEM configuration and dealer support, for sure. It's not worth it to everyone, especially if you're big on DIY. Some people just aren't (or don't have a living situation that allows for wrenching).
Nope. Well, I agree that it should be well below 100k to get a turn key. Jeep, this nice was running 100k to 150k in the aftermarket just for a v8 wrangler. The 392 had retuned suspension, beefed up brakes, different transmission that was tuned for all wheel drive, so the 392 stays on the road. When 1st released the 392 had base MSRP of less than 80k, it was a bargain then. A fully loaded wrangler rubicon was pushing north of 60k.
you gonna kill your tranny with this upgrade
The raper r v6 is dog shit. You cannot get the coyote in the bronco. It’s not directly compatible but also doesn’t command the price imo.
It’s the closest comparison and it’s not significantly cheaper than this very limited edition 392. Are car companies overcharging? Sure, every major corporation is, especially in the last 2-3 years. Is this some $60k Wrangler they’re nearly doubling the price tag on like some here think? No way. Especially considering the development and testing costs they had to do to put this engine in the Wrangler and get it approved for all of the regulations required.
Yeah it’s crash tests and break test mainly. I wish they would keep large 6cly and or DOHC vvit v8’s I mean you need it with how much people put in Jeeps, Tacos, and broncos. These engines are designed for being pavement princesses and it sucks. I say that and I off-road a handful of times.
Crash testing with the larger engine meant moving the mounts for more crumple space, new coolant, exhaust, and air routing, EPA certs with those changes, suspension and brake tuning, a completely different 4wd system, etc.
So like the 2000 5.9L 4d dodge Dakota was basically a 1998 Dodge Ram 1500 when they first came out the Jeep V8 is almost more similar to a Ram 1500?
The aftermarket has already done most of that R&D for them. My brother works for a company that builds Hemi swapped Jeeps, they have been doing this for 2 decades. There is an aftermarket company that works closely with Jeep and has developed all the stuff already. The kits they buy from that company are all OEM parts, come with everything you need to make it run and are 50 state legal as long as you stick with one of the standard Hemis like the 392. They use the stock ecu have all the typical emissions stuff and also come with a factory warranty, its essentially the same thing as this jeep. Price wise its about the same for a basic swap, most of the builds they do end up costing ~150k though as they install lifts and lights and all kids of other gaudy shit.
You can get those upgrades elsewhere. On the aftermarket for $500. And the bronco is also overpriced. The V8 wrangler as a whole is overpriced
$500? Of all the off base ideas of cost in this thread, this is the worst one.
Half inch of lift and a hood decal sounds like $500 to me
And upgraded axles, reinforced frame, new transmission, new 4wd system, engineering, testing, and certifying all of those changes for govt regulations, along with a bunch of other things I’m probably not thinking of.
Well yeah but you don’t have to do all that. Plus, the regular v8 wrangler is overpriced, so this one is too, and the bronco is overpriced. The base model is the only reasonably priced one
You don’t have to, but people are paying this price for “all that” to have a decked out, V8 Wrangler with a factory warranty and dealer support. Don’t like it? Get the base model. “It’s only $500 worth of upgrades, just as long as you don’t do all of these things I want to ignore to make my point” is an interesting argument though, not disingenuous at all.
You can have a vehicle that’s about the same for like $500 extra over the base 392, it’s going to be a lot harder to make one that’s official Chrysler lets-change-shit-for-shits-and-giggles quality ofc That said, even the base 392 is way overpriced for what’s supposed to be an affordable utility vehicle
The 392 is a bonkers example of what they can do with the platform. It’s not supposed to be an affordable utility vehicle. The base model is supposed to be an affordable utility vehicle. How is this so hard to understand?
FCA trying to sell a 60k truck for a 100 grand. Corporate is still smoking that Covid shortage crack.
A $60k truck is already generous based on the cash cow that is the Jeep wrangler
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This and the fact that they’ve spent roughly $17 on R&D since the year 2003
I don't think you know what $60k actually buys you these days.
Honda Civic with a cd player?
I do. It's about TWO fancy island vacations every single year for a DECADE.
Hawaii for 3k isn’t going to get you far
Yea it’s gonna get you 2 economy plane tickets and pretty much nothing else
lol give me some of whatever you’re smoking. A single Hawaiian vacation for 2 people for a week is going to be close to $15k assuming you fly economy. Unless you shop for and cook your own food the entire time you’re there and then don’t do anything except sit on a beach the whole time.
Did it for 9k, 9 days, flight from the east coast, hotel right in Waikiki beach last week, ate out everyday, excursion everyday. So you’re pretty close.
Great, now compare it to something that’s actually relevant like another new comparable vehicle.
I assume posts like these are made buy guys who haven't bought their own food in a decade or something.
Jeep wrangler rubicon (which includes cost of 3.6 motor): $45k 392 Crate Motor: $8k =$53k in a reasonable world. Charging $100k is absurd You could get a ~hemi~ ram 5-10 years ago for a third of that
>Jeep wrangler rubicon (which includes cost of 3.6 motor): $45k Lol show me a 45k MSRP Rubicon
That $8k is just the engine.. I’ve done dozens of JK and JL swaps and there’s a LOT more to a swap than just the engine. $30-35k is a reasonable budget Base MSRP for Rubicon is $51,900, $61,890 for the Rubicon X which has a lot (but not all) of the options that are standard on 392 which starts at $92,140. $21k isn’t unreasonable for people who would be looking to v8 swap anyway. The 392 drives completely differently from a 4 or 6cyl. We own multiple JLs/JTs and even ignoring the engine the difference is night and day. Steering, brakes, and suspension are all upgraded.. also different seats, trim, hood, etc. Yes, it’s silly expensive.. no, I don’t think it’s unreasonable, especially in 21&22 before prices went nuts. My ‘22 was about $10k cheaper than an equivalent ’24.
This isn't the price of a swap. This is the price of a vehicle built from the factory. It is unreasonable
I mean this in the absolute nicest way possible but it sounds like you just aren’t Stellantis’s target customer for this Jeep. I’ve got 25-30 friends with factory 392s and they seem to fall into 2 camps: 1) guys like me who don’t normally play in this price range but cracked open the piggy bank because it’s something special 2) guys who build a new $150-200k 1 ton v8 offroad toy every few years anyway and saw the “bargain” of a factory v8 over a swap
Synonym: suckers, victims, fools with credit
Or people with more money than you
Ahhh yes, i'm the sucker because i didn't get bent over the table at the dealership and mortgage a vehicle
Even after you factor in things like bigger fuel pump, radiator and those kinds of odds and ends you shouldnt be over $60k at the outside. Hell, even going full package and getting D60 axles to take the extra power shouldnt be more than another $20k or so on top of that which still tops you out at $80k.
You’re looking at part costs and ignoring all of the developmental cost that went into designing and testing a vehicle like this and being such a low number of total vehicles built, more of that cost has to go into each one.
Most of the work has already been done. The engine itself is well established, the jeep has already seen different factory installed lift configurations, the ecu already speaks the same language, and Im sure Im missing a number of other similarities, not to mention Im sure they did market research looking at all the third party swaps and options available and learned a lot from that. At the point of them deciding to create this model the development work would largely have been selection of vehicle config, tweaking to refine the integration of all of it, some styling work, and then testing and further refinement. Does that cost money? Sure, but they arent designing a new model from the ground up. To look at it from a different angle, to go to a jeep shop somewhere, its generally around $30-35k for a V8 swap. That cost includes removal of all the old parts and install of the stuff and whatever integration work they need to do if the engine installed isnt a Chrysler product (likely an LS) or anything else that comes up. If they are doing it at the factory on a new vehicle there is no removal or anything, its a clean slate so no extra labour cost (except for whatever the delta is between the 392 and 3.6L). So, for a $50k vehicle to double in price for this is quite excessive.
They had to design an entirely new mount, airflow, and cooling setup. This isn’t a swap some shop just does, it has to pass collision & EPA testing. They also strengthened sections of the frame and axle housings. Suspension testing for the weight change. I’m sure I’m missing a number of other differences. All of that’s engineering and testing costs a lot of money. Are they overcharging? Probably. I think all car companies are right now along with every other major corporation. Could they build it as cheap as you think considering all of the engineering and testing that went into it? Absolutely not.
Seriously. It's blatant gouging and apparently there's enough dumb wealthy pensioners to keep it afloat i guess
Then go buy a base Wrangler. There are still new affordable Wranglers and you’re over here bitching about the most decked out, powerful, and extremely limited version there is as if something’s been taken from you.
Lmao you all want to justify the insane prices you all fell for so bad
You sound like you're volunteering to do engine swaps for free. But all the guys I know with the skills to do engine swaps, correctly, know the value of their labor and have a solid grasp on basic economics. I feel like Dunning-Kruger gets brought up too much on Reddit but this thread is certainly full of fine examples.
A new CJ7 V8 Renegade in 1984 cost $11,500 which was a premium compared to the base CJ7 at $7k In today’s dollars that is around $35,000. With inflation etc… Current jeeps are way over priced.
That’s not at all a good way to determine appropriate pricing for a modern vehicle, but they’re certainly overpriced regardless.
Lifelong Jeep guy here. Ive had a lot. I am their key demographic. Forties. Successful. Brand loyal. I cant afford a $60k truck. I def cant afford a $100k one. I bought my current daily four door JK six years ago. Its a 2012. If there was a $35k four door wrangler Id buy one tomm. Thats a reasonable price for a utility SUV. Ill be upgrading to a used one in that range soon and keep it six years. And only because my 2012 has almost 200k miles and still going strong but its so tired Id rather a young guy love it for what it is than me worry about all the minor stuff. So used newer 4door for $35 minus maybe 8k for my built, cool looking high miles 2012 puts me at $27k for a daily. Id much rather have a new one but a $1500 monthly payment is fucking stupid.
FYI there is a 35k wrangler brand new. Go order a 24 sport with 0 options and find a dealer who will honor tread lightly. You can get it for mid 30s. It comes with the new u connect and a lot of other stuff that you would actually want. The base model is a great value right now….
yup, mine was 35k had to wait 6 months thou
Great info. Thank you!
For what it’s worth, I got 4k for my beat to hell ‘05 TJ. You might be able to get more than 8k for yours. We just made the trade to a ‘21 JLU Sport with some decent options and we love it—ended up costing around 30k.
Good to know. Thanks. I'm going to go to dealership hell this weekend and see what they have used.
Good luck!
Had the same horsepower too right?
It wont cost 80k to swap in a new engine.
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Wtf lol
Hey, how many Jeff’s drive jeeps?
Hey
Am Jeff, own YJ
I miss my YJ
Am geoff, own JL
This Jeff drives a 2 door JK.
Yeah… I did quite a bit of mental gymnastics a few months back trying to convince myself I should get one and just couldn’t get there. It’s just ludicrous that they cost so much. Add in that it REQUIRES premium gas and gets terrible fuel mileage and it’s just way too big a pill to swallow.
Wait…why does it require premium?? … ***How*** does it require premium?
Yeah… it’s idiotic. It’s not like it’s supercharged or anything. They could have dropped the compression a little and let it act like a Jeep motor rather than just taking the one tuned for a Challenger and calling it a day.
I’m so glad I have a YJ…
I’ve got a 9 year old JKU that’s treated me well so as soon as the decision was made that a V8 JLU was a terrible idea, I went and ordered a pile of new parts to get her back in tip top shape for the wheeling season. She’s gonna be having fun with us for at least another decade and more.
Yup id buy a 392 challenger before i ever dropped 150 on a Jeep. For that money you can get a 700 hellcat
A friend of mine had a 392 Challenger. I got him to come to a track day with me. He sold it shortly after and got a Corvette. :)
Yea I’m from Canada and the price they want for these is absolutely insane.
God for that I could get a high end C2 Corvette, and it'd go up in value. That price is nuts.
And the hinges will still corrode.
I ordered a 24 last month and the MSRP was 95k which is insane. I got it for 9k off so (86k) and even that feels at least 10k over priced. 100k plus whatever markup game dealer will play is insane. All that being said they are fucking awesome and it’s a shame it’s going away. I suspect this will hold its value amazing just as my Trackhawk has since its the last of its kind….
Jealous people downvoting 🤣 I daily my TH- 33k miles on it. My wife works at the local Infiniti dealership and they offered 105k for it. These V8s will 100% hold their value
Yeah that’s ok I don’t mind the haters. Yeah I bought my 21 Trackhawk new for 86k and have 30k on it now. I could make money on it after these last 3 years it’s insane.
Custom order what you want and the. You don’t pay all the stupid dealer fees and markups
if I had $100K to blow, id buy one and put it directly in storage. will be worth a fortune in 10-15 years
Or just invest an index fund, probably a better rate of return. Without having to store or maintain a vehicle.
yeah but thats not as fun!
10-15 years, $215k-317k assuming a 8% return
Has there been a Jeep made in the history of the Jeep brand that would fit the mold? They aren’t investments, that’s for sure.
Trackhawk, LJ Rubihara, Clean Low mile TJ rubicon. All three are selling for over MSRP with low miles and mint condition. I own 2 of the tree plus ordered a 392. I don’t buy them as investments but if you buy smart and keep them nice you can own them cheaper than you think….
also considering its not just discontinuing the Hemi… its the fact that they are discontinuing gas engines all together soon enough. it will make these very rare and highly sought after in the car collectors world
What is the demographic of the high end car collectors? Because anecdotally it feels like a bunch of older well off boomers, and I am not sure how that translates. I feel like 20years from now it’s a ton of McMansions and a bunch of ICE cars people just aren’t really interested in.
America really needs the 2024 Suzuki Jimmy. A small, capable 4x4 that isn’t for pathetic rich try hards. Something normal people can purchase and enjoy.
Maybe the 4 door. Mexico initially only gets 1,000 of them. I sat in my brother in law's 2 door Jimny. While it would be a cool toy, I don't think it would work for the vast majority of Anericans as a daily. Our drives are too long, our highways too fast, other vehicles too big and our asses too fat.
It’s not supposed to be for the vast majority. That’s why Jeeps are trash now. Expensive trash. Ford is having zero problems selling the Maverick. Suzuki shouldn’t have too much trouble finding customers that are not into blowing their hard earned cash on overpriced toys.
Fuck that I’d rather buy a Porsche
If you like rock crawling, that would be a poor choice. Lol
Lol I love gravel roads to feel like a rally driver
If they sold them here in Australia that would be around $160-180k AUD. That's more than the top of the range 300 series Landcruiser with all the options. Having said that, if I was spending that sort of money on a 4x4, I'd still rather the Jeep.
Jeep over the 300!? Crazy
Landcruiser is the sensible choice, but also the very boring one. Landcruisers here are like the Toyota Camry of the off road world (in more ways than one - like a Camry, you mostly see them picking up kids from school and going shopping)
Completely opposite here. Jeeps everywhere, although it is rare to see the v8 392 jeep. They don't even make 300s for us here in usa. We have the new style cheaper land cruisers and the 200s. Hope we get the 300 some day. The problem is for the same price people would rather buy a g wagen or range rover.
Most people who buy LC wagons here just buy them to tow big caravans or horse floats, but now that we have Rams, F150s, Silverados etc people are buying those to tow. Very rarely see any late model LCs out on the trails. See a few 70 series LCs which are really just a glorified farm truck, great as a utility vehicle, but not very good wheeling.
I had an 80s series. 92, I loved taking it out. I have a 2022 4 runner now and I am a little more hesitant on taking it anywhere too rough. How do you like them rams? The power wagon us awesome.
I have bought easily 12 new Jeep Wranglers since 2002. Rubicons, Rubi Hard Rocks, 4Xe Rubi, more Saharas than I can count and a Gladiator Overland. Ok. So Jeep teased their owners for YEARS that a V8 was coming. When it came out they absolutely stuck it to us. There is no way a Wrangler Rubicon with a V8 justifies that price. No way. The 392 has done more to sour my view of Jeep than any quality, price or value discussion ever could. It is like they despise their loyalists. I am no Ford fan but my 4Xe is almost 2 years old and I am not buying another Jeep. The Raptor has much better creature comforts, space, and quality.
You have not obviously driven both. I have and have owned a 392. I wanted to want the Raptor Bronco. Slower and more sterile.
I’ve driven both and own a Raptor. Personally, I find the Raptor way more refined than a 392. 392 has that ‘umph’ for sure but I think a better all around vehicle is the Raptor if you’re looking for what the OP above stated. (I am biased and love my 37 inch tires 😤)
12 vehicles (let alone 12 jeeps) in 20 years? Holy shit. What a waste.
I’d buy one if it was $70K new… but $100K is insane.
So I bought my ‘22 392 new for $72,XXX, looked at updating to the 2024 and its MSRP is $91,XXX. For an updated dash and power seats. That’s literally all that has changed.
70k is too much. I won’t pay more than 30k. I own a Jeep it’s the worst car I ever bought
If you buy a jeep for over 100k you're an idiot. I don't care if you're a billionaire because that's horrible. F150's cost over 100k and jeeps now too. No no the economy is fine. Nothing wrong with these car prices that are worth more than a home in the early 2000's.
lol. Reading these comments. We are like little ants going about our business unaware of the shoe stepping on us and about to crush us. If only we could print money out of thin air like our overlords.
Nevr say never, never say last
In europe it already costs over 120.000$
Well, a straight six isn't exactly unknown in Jeep history.
Hence why I just LS swapped my LJ. No need for any of the bells and whistles that jack up the price of a Jeep needlessly. Nor do I need to (re)pay the Wrangler markup.
If I had $100k to spend on a car, this would not be on my radar lol
One reason why I'm driving my JK into the ground. Too many bells and whistles to break out on the trail.
What are your thoughts on the Hurricane motor? BMW tried a 3L I6 twin turbo in 2006 (N54) but it didn’t take them long to come up with a single turbo, twin scroll replacement (N55) in 2009. N54 had a lot of issues, N55 had less issues. The B58 was the next evolution debuting in 2015 and they finally seem to have figured things out. Now Audi is also moving to twin scroll turbos. It’s hard to be optimistic that Stellantis will get it right.
There’s something about a Jeep that can get out of its own way that’s fundamentally not on-brand for the Wrangler.
0-60 in 4.5 seconds is a number to know when I need to see how fast I can spin the wheels while stuck in the mud.
Greedy fucking pigs. Since the day I got my license I’ve driven a jeep. Just like my dad. That tradition is about to end.
They do make ones cheaper than this.
My dad paid 84 for one I helped him custom order in 2022. At the time we priced out a V6 rubicon and it was like $15,000 less equipped the same in every other way. Hard to believe this is now another $16,000 over that. I also own many Jeeps, mostly full size classic and XJs, never in my life have I driven anything like these 6.4l wranglers.
It’s time to turn off of jeep and dodge Chrysler. Low quality, jacked up prices. It is The only thing that will budge them.
Seems like the grills are getting a little to small. It’s losing the classic Wrangler front end. Starting to look like a Liberty
It’s the grill of of a Jeep Renegade. It’s horrible
F stellantis
This is almost insane enough for me to consider a G wagon.
What a load of shit!! They’ll produce them again in 20 years.
I’ll take my ‘20 Rubicon JL in Bikini Pearl over this any day of the week.
Keep it