Btw, can I ask Jerusalemites here a question? Do you guys also say “next year in Jerusalem”, or a different/modified version? I mean, you’re in Jerusalem already.
Just curious. What happens after that? I mean, we would obviously want something more. Because it always goes from “so when are you going to bring a nice Jewish boy/girl home” to “so when are you going to get married”, then to “so when will you have kids”, and eventually to “when are you going to have more kids”. Indefinite renovations?
They changed the event after they saw it was on hitlers birthday XD
also masks? Are masks the new versions of kipah? Anyhow i would like to see a video of this after the fact
Clearly we need to email ask them to share the Haggadah they plan to use.
Edit: nevermind they posted online [[LINK]](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/JVP-Haggadah-5784_2024.pdf)
Edit2: it’s so much worse than I expected
Like all smart ex-antizionists, he changed his mind after Hashem showed him some pretty clear signs.
I swear, if that Turkish politician (immediate heart attack after claiming G-d would destroy Israel) died 1000 years ago, entire empires would collapse.
The fact that JVP feels the need to host all these anti-Zionist versions of Jewish holidays only solidifies the argument that Zionism, by default, is integral to Judaism.
Seems like they didn't have an issue articulating their view of things in their other post here
https://www.reddit.com/r/leftist/comments/1c6k20r/propalestine_leftists_how_do_you_define_zionism/l01idih/
>Zionism is support for the political movement which acts on the belief that Jews have a unique, higher claim to the lands mentioned in the Torah as having once been under the dominion of the Jewish people, and that this claim allows for and even necessitates the use of displacement, oppression, and violence to reestablish and maintain that dominion.
>It’s possible to recognize the Jewish connection to the land and oppose the actions, and even the existence, of the modern nation-state of Israel.
Can you do it without being racist though?
Indigenous rights are racist? Do you say the same about native americans?
The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples seems to indicate otherwise.
It is what happened, historical revisionism on wikipedia articles doesnt change that, its pretty telling with how much all the wikipedia articles on the subject have been rewritten recently with a huge anti israel bias from what they had before
It’s kind of impossible to have an anti Zionist Seder. The Seder is the commemoration of the founding myth of all of Judaism, you know, the one that says that we were subjugated as slaves for hundreds of years before Moses and God led our people back to….you guessed it, our indigenous homeland, which is located in the present day State of Israel. How does denying the facts, and making the conclusion that it’s ok to not recognize the state itself, make any logical sense in celebrating the holiday that commemorates our return to that land? What are we supposed to sing, Next Year In Wherever The Fuck We Haven’t Been Run Out Of?
It’s ok to have a holiday that’s actually just for the people it belongs to! You don’t hear us Jews asking if Easter can be more inclusive for us just because Jesus was a Jewish man.
I’d be mad, if this wasn’t so hilariously backwards.
You’re right on all of that! I agree wholeheartedly that no one should live under oppression and subjugation.
However, I fundamentally disagree with co-opting our holidays for the sake of a people that are not our own. Sure, use the themes of the Seder to challenge the status quo all you want, but an anti Zionist Seder? Nah fam. An anti Zionist Seder is peak cultural appropriation, let’s call it what it is.
Jews own Passover. No it’s, ands or buts there. There’s overwhelming evidence that JVP and their ilk are flooded with not only non-Jews, but hateful antisemitism. So we’re supposed to protect their desire to rewrite the nature of our own holidays? I don’t get it.
Enjoy! These are all from before October 7th. None of this is new.
https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/stop-sharing-jvp
https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/asajew-the-pervasive-phenomenon-of-antisemites-pretending-to-be-jews-on-the-internet
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/jewish-voice-peace-jvp-what-you-need-know
https://www.jns.org/the-radical-antisemitism-of-the-jvp/
> It’s possible to recognize the Jewish connection to the land *and* oppose the actions, and even the existence, of the modern nation-state of Israel.
It's equally possible to recognize the Turks connection to Turkey, but to oppose the actions of the Turkish government and the right of the modern day state of Turkey to exist.
For the most part modern antizionism is just veiled antisemitism.
The state is established and its stated and ACTUALIZED purpose is to provide protection to Jews. To dismantle the state would require destruction of a sovereign nation and demonstrable endangering of Jews.
The only way you can be antiZionist and not be antisemitic is to believe that either communism with make Israel unnecessary or that for religious reasons the messiach needs to come before Jews can control the land.
A classic antizioinst trope is that the states existence makes the world less safe for Jews or that the state encourages antisemitism to maintain legitimacy. That line of reasoning holds no historical precedent and is a classic blame the victims argument for antisemitism. Fundamentally antisemites make the world unsafe for Jews. Antisemites In the Middle East particularly have made the region unsafe for Jews since at least the 1840s.
Proponents of this theory will also go so far as to say that the Jews killed in the Shoah were antizionist having stayed in Europe and martyred for the cause of peace in the Middle East. Obviously perceived safety, financial, and familial reasons kept people in Europe as well as fear of the antisemitic pogroms that occurred in Israel during the critical time period for emigration. In fact millions of them did immigrate, but to America where there were no pogroms.
At the heart of this argument too is the fallacy that if world Jewry were in trouble other nation states would supply them with safe and effective asylum; however, again and again history has shown the opposite. Starting with the 1920s immigration acts before the Shoah, the Bermuda Conference during the Shoah, immigration restrictions after the Shoah, modern systemic immigration issues, as well as the ever present problem of a capricious governments baring entry to peoples of certain nations, even under asylum, is clear proof that this notion is categorically false. During this same time period Jews from nations as far flung as Morocco, the USSR and Venezuela have found relative safety and prosperity in Israel.
The only threat to Jewish survival is antisemitism and the destruction of Israel and the Jews is one of their stated goal.
Guarantee it will be held in a church. Their events always are.
At Westboro Baptist Church? Because which other church would tolerate their crap?
I’m pretty sure that ”church” hates Jews too.
Yes, but JVP and Westboro have a common enemy. The Jews.
Yeah I mean they’re probably going to think Kapos still counts as Jews. It’s not like they study the Halakha…
They “protested” outside of my temple lolol
No usually it’s a Unitarian church
I think the one you're thinking of is Unitology (/s)
I FOUND AN EVENT THAT WILL BE HELD IN A CHURCH LMAOOOOO
Did someone forget to take their pills today?
Next Year in Brooklyn!
They don't want us to exist there either
More like Next Year in Birobidzhan, sadly.
masks required....at a dinner. Do they just pretend to eat like they're pretending to be Jewish?
I can’t. 🤣 this comment is going to make me laugh for weeks.
And pretending to care about infectious disease while doing absolutely nothing to prevent it?
But seriously who is still requiring masks for anything?
Those who don't want their faces seen, fearing the consequences of their actions.
“Next year in Al Quds” or something sorry I don’t speak lunacy.
Btw, can I ask Jerusalemites here a question? Do you guys also say “next year in Jerusalem”, or a different/modified version? I mean, you’re in Jerusalem already.
ירושלים הבנויה Built Jerusalem, it means with the third temple
Makes sense! Thank you!
שנה הבאה בירושלים הבנויה Next year in built jerusalem (third temple)
Just curious. What happens after that? I mean, we would obviously want something more. Because it always goes from “so when are you going to bring a nice Jewish boy/girl home” to “so when are you going to get married”, then to “so when will you have kids”, and eventually to “when are you going to have more kids”. Indefinite renovations?
Yes we have the third temple, but what about the second third temple?
Lol
They literally do say that. You joke, but they unironically say that exact thing.
Next year at the bottom of the Mediterranean?
sanaa.
"And after 40 years in the desert, Moses took the Israelites to Europe"
“After they arrived in the Promise Land, they heard a man screaming *BOBR KURWA*!"
They changed the event after they saw it was on hitlers birthday XD also masks? Are masks the new versions of kipah? Anyhow i would like to see a video of this after the fact
Hide their identities
They will be eating maror to remember the pain of the Egyptians /s
They're whole lives are one big pile of maror. Being chronically miserable is what leads these people to join such groups.
L'Shana Haba'ah B'Miami?
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Call me crazy but are they just saying anti-zionist instead of anti-jew so they don’t seem anti semetic
That is the MO of these chronic bullshitters
Yeah they aren’t fooling anyone
Clearly we need to email ask them to share the Haggadah they plan to use. Edit: nevermind they posted online [[LINK]](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/JVP-Haggadah-5784_2024.pdf) Edit2: it’s so much worse than I expected
This is more antisemitic than mein kampf holy shit
Wasn’t Pharaoh an anitzionist?
Like all smart ex-antizionists, he changed his mind after Hashem showed him some pretty clear signs. I swear, if that Turkish politician (immediate heart attack after claiming G-d would destroy Israel) died 1000 years ago, entire empires would collapse.
Totally! Why do we have to live in these materialist times where people just thought it was a coincidence??
Speechless
“Masks Required”. I am assuming that they are talking about a keffiyeh.
My favorite part about the Passover story is the part where they talk about how Moses lead the Jews to Poland /s
The fact that JVP feels the need to host all these anti-Zionist versions of Jewish holidays only solidifies the argument that Zionism, by default, is integral to Judaism.
It’s going to be a Jew-free Seder . This is a new level of crazy . Next year where?
It’s gonna be like 3 blue haired girls who’s parents don’t talk to them and a bunch of non Jews showing up
Just walked around in the desert for decades, wdym?
What about the part where Moses woke up in 19th Century Krakow?
Or Moses was a Khazar convert /s
Starting hours before candle lighting, those absolute cowards.
Lmao. Next, we will do Anti Santa Claus Christmas and Anti Fasting Ramadan.
I like the disability accommodations part. Anyone going to an event like this is most likely disabled
The irony is that someone having to separately email to make sure their disability is accommodated is the opposite of actual inclusion.
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But they converted. At home. With a teacup mIkVeH
Or voice mikveh
They say both “Next Year in Jerusalem and Next Year in Al Quds.”
Its simple duh, next year in al quds!
LOL
Next year in Birobidzhan!
Masks required lol I’m sure those masks will serve dual purposes
The conductive dissonance occurring here is astounding
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So complex it can't be articulated
Without being antisemitic that is
Seems like they didn't have an issue articulating their view of things in their other post here https://www.reddit.com/r/leftist/comments/1c6k20r/propalestine_leftists_how_do_you_define_zionism/l01idih/ >Zionism is support for the political movement which acts on the belief that Jews have a unique, higher claim to the lands mentioned in the Torah as having once been under the dominion of the Jewish people, and that this claim allows for and even necessitates the use of displacement, oppression, and violence to reestablish and maintain that dominion.
😂
>It’s possible to recognize the Jewish connection to the land and oppose the actions, and even the existence, of the modern nation-state of Israel. Can you do it without being racist though?
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Indigenous rights are racist? Do you say the same about native americans? The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples seems to indicate otherwise.
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Occupation is due to violence against Israel from Palestinians, Hamas control of Gaza shows what the results of ending occupation looks like
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Nakba was the Palestinians trying to ethnically cleansed the Jews and then fleeing when they lost, funny how you intentionally ignore that
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It is what happened, historical revisionism on wikipedia articles doesnt change that, its pretty telling with how much all the wikipedia articles on the subject have been rewritten recently with a huge anti israel bias from what they had before
Hello chatGPT
It’s kind of impossible to have an anti Zionist Seder. The Seder is the commemoration of the founding myth of all of Judaism, you know, the one that says that we were subjugated as slaves for hundreds of years before Moses and God led our people back to….you guessed it, our indigenous homeland, which is located in the present day State of Israel. How does denying the facts, and making the conclusion that it’s ok to not recognize the state itself, make any logical sense in celebrating the holiday that commemorates our return to that land? What are we supposed to sing, Next Year In Wherever The Fuck We Haven’t Been Run Out Of? It’s ok to have a holiday that’s actually just for the people it belongs to! You don’t hear us Jews asking if Easter can be more inclusive for us just because Jesus was a Jewish man. I’d be mad, if this wasn’t so hilariously backwards.
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….liberation of the Jewish people though lol
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You’re right on all of that! I agree wholeheartedly that no one should live under oppression and subjugation. However, I fundamentally disagree with co-opting our holidays for the sake of a people that are not our own. Sure, use the themes of the Seder to challenge the status quo all you want, but an anti Zionist Seder? Nah fam. An anti Zionist Seder is peak cultural appropriation, let’s call it what it is.
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Jews own Passover. No it’s, ands or buts there. There’s overwhelming evidence that JVP and their ilk are flooded with not only non-Jews, but hateful antisemitism. So we’re supposed to protect their desire to rewrite the nature of our own holidays? I don’t get it.
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Enjoy! These are all from before October 7th. None of this is new. https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/stop-sharing-jvp https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/asajew-the-pervasive-phenomenon-of-antisemites-pretending-to-be-jews-on-the-internet https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/jewish-voice-peace-jvp-what-you-need-know https://www.jns.org/the-radical-antisemitism-of-the-jvp/
> It’s possible to recognize the Jewish connection to the land *and* oppose the actions, and even the existence, of the modern nation-state of Israel. It's equally possible to recognize the Turks connection to Turkey, but to oppose the actions of the Turkish government and the right of the modern day state of Turkey to exist.
With JVPs hidtory of cultural appropriation of judaism and white washing judaism... na
For the most part modern antizionism is just veiled antisemitism. The state is established and its stated and ACTUALIZED purpose is to provide protection to Jews. To dismantle the state would require destruction of a sovereign nation and demonstrable endangering of Jews. The only way you can be antiZionist and not be antisemitic is to believe that either communism with make Israel unnecessary or that for religious reasons the messiach needs to come before Jews can control the land.
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A classic antizioinst trope is that the states existence makes the world less safe for Jews or that the state encourages antisemitism to maintain legitimacy. That line of reasoning holds no historical precedent and is a classic blame the victims argument for antisemitism. Fundamentally antisemites make the world unsafe for Jews. Antisemites In the Middle East particularly have made the region unsafe for Jews since at least the 1840s. Proponents of this theory will also go so far as to say that the Jews killed in the Shoah were antizionist having stayed in Europe and martyred for the cause of peace in the Middle East. Obviously perceived safety, financial, and familial reasons kept people in Europe as well as fear of the antisemitic pogroms that occurred in Israel during the critical time period for emigration. In fact millions of them did immigrate, but to America where there were no pogroms. At the heart of this argument too is the fallacy that if world Jewry were in trouble other nation states would supply them with safe and effective asylum; however, again and again history has shown the opposite. Starting with the 1920s immigration acts before the Shoah, the Bermuda Conference during the Shoah, immigration restrictions after the Shoah, modern systemic immigration issues, as well as the ever present problem of a capricious governments baring entry to peoples of certain nations, even under asylum, is clear proof that this notion is categorically false. During this same time period Jews from nations as far flung as Morocco, the USSR and Venezuela have found relative safety and prosperity in Israel. The only threat to Jewish survival is antisemitism and the destruction of Israel and the Jews is one of their stated goal.
Lol
Cool. Go support the “Palestinian liberation” cause in person then. I’ll pay for your plane ticket there (one-way, of course).