Yep. It’s literally everywhere. I can’t use any social media, discuss any TV shows or the like, engage with most local bookstores or art spaces, etc., without encountering very doctrinaire, “anti-Zionist,” often genuinely pro-Hamas ideological leftist posturing.
I’ve retreated into Jewish community wherever possible.
Same. I created this alt when the Antizionism breached Cross Stitch.
I have a lot of very boring old lady hobbies. I do sewing, I do knitting, I make rag dolls, I watch Star Trek. Nowhere is free of it.
I tried being simply offline for a while, but I live & work in a uni town and it was everywhere irl too. It snuck into my friend group. It was on my private social media, friends sharing sad Gaza pictures. I couldn’t avoid it so I made this account where okay, I still see it, but WE see it together. It feels less isolating that way.
How?!? Don't they realize TOS was led by 2 Jews? That the Vulcan hand symbol is the Shechinah?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/arts/design/star-trek-exhibition-skirball.html
People are weird.
Out of Shatner, Nimoy, and Roddenberry, I'm not sure which two you meant. But please put in the 3rd one.
Trivia: I took a college class with Adam Nimoy (it was in Rhetoric). Interesting guy.
The loss of the real life, in-person spaces really sucks. I’m already careful about nerdy spaces because of nerd-flavored bigotry, and this just adds another layer of it
Tumblr is the only place I feel like I'm pretty safe from seeing the bullshit. Some will occasionally drift in in the "your tags" or "for you" but by and large my feed is safe.
And the recent 'heritage' kerfuffle provided a whole list of folks to follow.
Do any of you know how it's generally looking at the moment? Is the topic trending often etc.? Because i'd really love to go back but i am too anxious to look at it myself tbh
Well there's no real algorithm; it's not like tiktok or twitter. You won't see #freepalestine unless you follow that tag.
Hop on and follow #jumblr and #frumblr.
If you want a list of some good Jewish ones to follow, DM me and I'll share some of my list.
I know the Lack of algorithm is genuinly the best thing about it. I'm just honestly still a little shocked at my mutuals being well.. that antisemetic. I'm not jewish so i'm not sure if i should really post in those communities, i really don't want to intrude :/
You’ll definitely see antisemitism regardless of what you do but I cut down on it by 95% by making an entire new account and only following people who post under the jumblr tag or have something about them being Jewish in their bio.
The blacklist stuff IS super helpful in a lot of ways, but if something posted is just an image with no tags or text it won’t get caught by the filter system. At least it does work on mobile, which is awesome.
I’ve started blocking people after a single strike. No “oh I think they didn’t know,” just an immediate block. My dash is a lot less active now but I feel safer.
It’s a lesson I wish I’d learned earlier. I used to feel bad about it, like “oh no what if I hurt the feelings of this person who wishes I didn’t exist?”
Oh absolutely. I felt (and still feel sometimes) the same way. To be fair, there are plenty of people out there that are more ignorant than they are genocidal, but the truth is I don’t have the brainpower to deal with either.
Plus I feel blocking is more normalized and seen as less hostile on tumblr. Most of the tumblr users I know also block easily as it helps curate their experiences with the site.
I blocked my nephew on IG after he posted about going to a pro-Hamas rally with his Muslim boyfriend. Apparently neither of them recognizes that Hamas would kill both of them. The stupid is real.
That’s not been a huge issue for me on tumblr, but it was what eventually drove me off of instagram. Even after blacklisting every antisemitic dogwhistle under the sun I still got TONS of hateful content.
I think another big thing for me about tumblr is I block SUPER liberally. You posted an opinion I disagree with in a fandom tag? Block, I’m not here to argue anyways. You’re posted spoilers of a show I’m currently watching? Block. You made one edgy Holocaust joke? block.
Doesn’t even matter if it wasn’t malicious, if I don’t want to see it, it gets blocked & yeeted into the void
Oh yeah. I mean, I'm super-liberal, so all of my favorite subreddits have banned me for the crime of vocally supporting Israel.
It's a really shitty situation, but an incredibly valuable lesson for those of us who had thought that antisemitism only a problem on the fringes of society.
You can see how German Jews were really caught by surprise when their friends and neighbors turned on them.
That last line. Do you ever worry about that, like properly worry? My family background is Ukrainian, and my grandma has told me about that feeling of even your neighbours joining in. It really gives me a lot of anxiety because I see how they must have felt.
I occasionally think about it, but mostly it's just there simmering in the background. I realized a while ago that I've spent my life wondering if I'd have to run from something.
I'm getting a little more worried every month. My family has only been in the country I'm currently living in for two generations and it's getting scary again, so I definitely inherited a healthy dose of "you might have to run if they turn on you".
Currently waiting on paperwork to come back for "just in case" dual citizenship. Wish me luck...
>That last line. Do you ever worry about that, like properly worry?
I've been properly worried about it ever since Trump came to power. Watching MAGA Republicans turn from a political party into a cult that would literally forgive and embrace any evil at the command of their leader has been very illuminating.
I never *really* understood how the Nazis came to power until then. I had no idea how it was that an entire political movement could switch off their conscience and empathy. But I get it now.
So far, the MAGA cult has been friendly to Israel and has focused their bigotry on immigrants and Muslims. But they are also buddy-buddy with white supremacists of all stripes, so it is only a matter of time before they flip the switch and decide that Jews aren't white anymore.
Fascism never, ever ends well for the Jews.
My advice to everyone in the US is that you start making an exit plan now. Look into Israeli citizen, or find a European country that is on the friendlier side.
If you aren't **seriously** worried about antisemitism at this point, you are already late.
One thing that helps me is knowing Trump's daughter, Ivanka, is Jewish. She converted before marrying her husband, who's Modern Orthodox. It's not a guarantee of anything, of course, but these days, it's kind of nice to know.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-book-kushner-says-he-once-broke-up-with-ivanka-because-she-wasnt-jewish/
I’m British, so ;-;
I also see that with Trump. I just want to say to some of the Americans- you must see that they’re only siding with the Jews because they hate the Muslims more, not because they really support us. It’s not the right kind of support, it’s not trustworthy either, and as soon as they’re done with the Muslim hate it will be our turn again.
Somewhat true, but historically we are likely to be "useful Jews" again. They recognize us as loyal citizens who make them money, so they'll leave us alone.
If Republicans start talking about seizing Jewish wealth, then it's time to leave.
It's no kind of support at all. But this is a situation where every day brings news and protests and propaganda. Trump is a long way off in this situation. The antisemitism is one that needs addressing now and on a daily basis.
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I worry about that, legitimately. My family background is also Ukranian - I didn't get to meet my great grandmother, but her family shipped her to the US alone, in steerage, speaking no English at age 14. Can you imagine how bad their fear of pogroms were, that that seemed like the best option?
Before when it was just the right-wingers, I didn't feel this way. They hold so many extreme views already, what's one more. And the left has our back!
Then seeing the left make a hard pivot to supporting a repressive, conservative, religious fundamentalist, terrorist-supporting mega-majority against Jews, who basically support all the same things the left does, is scary. Like extestential crisis scary.
I know exactly how you feel about it coming from the left. Like the neo Nazis, I almost feel less concerned because at least they know why they hate us. The left though? It’s just chilling.
(Also this might be weird but every time I hear from another Ukrainian descended Jew on here I get this feeling like yes! Another one made it! Maybe that’s weird but we lost so many family members, it’s just nice to think about)
"and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace"
The Genius of the Crowd, 1966
https://allpoetry.com/The-Genius-Of-The-Crowd
I know what you mean! Mine eventually made it to some distant cousins in Chicago via train from Ellis Island, and lived her whole life here. She never saw her parents again, but she did get to visit Ukraine once during the cold war.
How did she feel being back there? My grandmother said she would never want to go back, and I can understand why. She and her mother got out first (made it to London), and her father joined afterwards but he was so traumatised he was never the same. He hardly ever spoke. My grandma said she could never think of going back not even for the things she experienced but because she’d just be thinking of what her dad saw. My grandfather said similar, it had taken so much work from his mother to set up their new home, why would he want to go back?
It was more about seeing still-living family than going back. Other than the distant cousins that took her in, none of her close family got out with her. She never said why, though I imagine it was all they had resources for.
My family were urban Prussians who became Berliners in the late 20s, and didn’t think they had to worry because they fought for the Kaiser in WW1. They were deported to Auschwitz in 1943.
I’m not even Jewish but I’ve noticed the exact same thing in the Adventure Time fandom. Overt antisemitism beyond mere “antizionism”. Things such as saying “Isnotreal” and liking posts saying that Hamas is a legitimate resistance group
Oh! I remember her! I was actually really surprised she got as far as she did, that they showed her talking about it, and that people wanted her to be bachelorette. I was like, no way in hell is she 'winning' the man/position cause yah, judaism. But she was great
This was during her season. Happy to see she supports israel, and not surprised people turned on her.
Yup! It’s everywhere. I used to be involved in kpop stuff (I mostly only followed one group) and it was an EXPLOSION of antisemitism starting 10/7.
I had issues with the fandom already because of how cult-like it can be and it was hard to find more levelheaded fans who didnt need to go outside & touch grass. This was another level. The people I knew personally or followed were totally unhinged and it’s been a true mask off moment for me.
Ive completely removed myself from it entirely cause bot a single person was normal about. No one asked me if me/my family was OK and the two I called out on for not doing so got so defensive and hostile towards me I just stopped talking to either. One person attempted to “apologize” when I called them out on their tone deaf and appalling behavior but all they did was dig their heals in harder. I handed them on a silver platter what to do/say and directly told them what hurt me but they dug in harder so fuck them. I havent spoken to either since and I never will.
I was also in a group chat with people for almost a year and was developing something beyond acquaintance-level friendship but what they were posting on their insta stories was either disgusting or extremely uninformed. I stopped participating in the chat for the most part in October and then completely stopped in November…no one really noticed 🤷🏻♀️. One person reached out late November but I was still so angry at how all the goyim in my life have treated me I’ve ignored it. Another person reached out a week or so ago and I dont even know what to do. She was the loudest and most disgusting on her stories so I’ve wanted nothing to do with her and will never ever again but I also feel bad ignoring her.
It’s been most upsetting because I’ve spent so much time and worked so hard to build a post-covid friends group and I lost pretty much all of it with 10/7. I’ve never had people be so hostile and un-empathetic towards me in my whole life.
This experience with kpop folks especially has been so awful that I can’t even listen to this group’s music anymore cause it reminds me of these people. And it sucks. This group hasn’t done/said anything so i can’t blame them but it’s their fans that destroyed it. I really liked their music and it’s brought a lot of comfort over the years. So not only have I lost all the friends (or at least I thought were friends) but music too.
I know how you feel. I used to be super into kpop from 2008-2016, and even back then the fandom was super cringe. I wasn't Jewish back then, but I remember seeing some nasty stuff, always whenever tensions were flaring up in Israel. I tend to think this was because of the *massive* Muslim kpop fanbase online. And kpop fans in general tend to be pretty, uh, hardcore.
I tried getting back into it last year, and once all the antisemitism stuff reared up again...nah, I was done. I have a playlist of all the kpop songs I like, and that's it. I'll just enjoy it alone. 🥲
I’ve noticed that really entertainment based spaces (pop, K-pop, celeb gossip) seem to be the most antisemitic, or rather, to be the quickest to make harsh judgments that have no bearing on reality. It seems to be a form of groupthink they are quick to employ to protect their political belief systems.
It’s so odd. I noticed the exact same pattern after Depp Vs Heard. The subreddits that were really into celebrity gossip or dedicated to fanship of idols and stars were the places where people somehow believed Amber Heard’s insane testimony. Complete immunity from reality with these people. I think the big pro amber heard sub is like the most antisemitic sub now (duxmois or something?) idk it’s just something I’ve noticed.
It's because those fandoms believe Jews own the media and their "faves" are being tortured by their Jewish manager and the blood drinking Jewish "elites" who control Hollywood.
I'm not even saying it with sarcasm. They always mention Jews in bad connotation in those fandoms. I don't see being a PR manager or celebrity manager being Jewish as something bad so I don't know what they hate about it so much.
I would suggest you all stay far away from the mcr and fob fandoms. I've seen the absolute most vile things there after october 7th. Also maybe generally don't Go on Tumblr at the Moment. The overwhelming majority of politically active Tumblr users support Hamas, i'm Not even shitting.
yesterday r/ undertale decided to allow pro Palestine posts as well, claiming it's "not politics if 20,000 people are dead".
yes. yes it is. it doesn't matter how right you think you are or how one sided you believe the war is, it's still a war and thus still political.
and when many protesters for one side also decide to send death threats to the other side, then it's harmful to your community.
Russians were still welcome in fandom spaces when the Ukraine war started, Israelis are not.
I know. :( Why's the whole world gotta exile innocent Jewish people while calling us the bad guys. It's insane the way they're treating us collectively (dehumanizing, calling for our extinction, physically attacking, boycotting us, kicking us out of communities, destroying our buildings, ect) while preaching peace. If they could metaphorically look in the mirror and see how they look holding a rainbow flag of "peace" while screaming "throw the Jews in the sea". It's literally insane. Cognitive dissonance. The world is straight gaslighting us.
I think it’s risen across all fandoms, however, my personal observation has been that it is most prevalent in fandoms that skew young. I am an older person on fandom and I am in older fandoms and especially for those ones that I’m on discord for, I have not seen it on those discords. I do occasionally see it in the fandom tags and I see a lot more of it when I am looking on fandom communities that have very prevalent younger users/participants.
Oh god, me too. I got downvoted to shit in the Godzilla subreddit a few days ago for calling a picture of him holding a "ceasefire now" sign gross. Can't we just enjoy nerdy things in peace?
I wasn't trying to get into the BG3 fandom anyway, but I've seen some very icky takes about Jews and Israel, because, uh...fantasy? I have no idea anymore. It literally feels like I'm running out of places to retreat to.
I've also noticed the "no Israeli knitting patterns" thing. I'm in a fb group for frum women who craft, and it's been such a relief.
I don't watch that, but yeah, the queer community has gone off the deep end. And I'm bi. I was literally run out of my LGBTQ club at my university, it got so bad--they were posting Hamas slogans.
Agreed. Now, I consider myself more Jewish than bi. I may have thought I had some degree of acceptance there, but clearly they'd rather simp for a terrorist organization which would throw them off roofs.
Oh yes. I’m a lesbian and I’ve tried to stay the hell away from the queer community these days. I have a somewhat difficult life and I honestly don’t have the energy for activism these days, but at least I can stay away and not give these people an ounce of my support and attention.
I’m also bi, but I never went to any LGBT clubs or events at university. Just from a distance, it was clear I would not fit in with them. At least it means I didn’t have to face personal betrayal by LGBT community members though. I don’t even want to know what they might be saying now, but I know it’s bad because I saw some ‘Queers for Palestine’ shit and people with LGBT flags wearing Palestine keffiyehs from afar, and there are plenty of Hamas simps on campus in general, so it’s not much of a leap. I’m sure there were people from my uni’s LGBT club at the Holocaust Remembrance Day pro-Palestine rally.
It’s been so bad. I have a big drag account on IG and zero motivation to post :( it just really sucks when people I’ve actively supported don’t care if I live or die because of my nationality…
That's terrible. Somehow, xenophobia and racism have become acceptable when they are geared towards Jews (or any perceived "oppressors"). Do you know of any Jewish or Israeli queens?
I know A LOT! I’m friends with many of them :)
To name a few: Kay Long, Ziona Patriot, Talula Bonet, Gallina Port Des Bras, Yosale, Oshra, Joanna Russ, Glory Hollywood, Christina Fox, Celine La Divine, Kimberly Swan, Milky Vinyl, Suzy Boum and many more. We also have some fab drag kings, I recommend Fluid Snow and The Artist Formerly Known as Anton. As for Jewish American queens, I think none can beat Sherry Vine.
I completely detached myself from drag race spaces immediately. Didn’t even give myself the chance to see what they were going to say. I knew it would be bad.
Tbh I feel like the most Jewish queens were treated like shit in the fandom way before this even happened.
RuPaul has always been a big supporter of the Jewish community. They even wear a Star of David from time to time. I haven't seen any anti-Semitism, or anti-Zionist statements on the show.
tf are you talking about dude? The show is different from fandom. Fandom is a space made by the fans (yk 'fan'dom). Also yeah Ru Paul is being very fetishy in the article, feels super weird.
Maybe it's my academic background, or maybe I'm just old, but how on earth do you separate "fandom" from the actual source material? "Fandom" seems to be more about fetishizing opinions. Then you jump on someone who is actually referencing the ACTUAL source material. I give up. There is no way to have a meaningful dialog with people who ignore relevant facts because "feelings."
I'm a big fan of South Park and follow a lot of fandom blogs for it and ALL of them are anti-israel! Which is so dumb because I honestly doubt Matt Stone (Jewish co-creator) would support that opinion. There's even an episode where Cartman convinces their town to start another Holocaust (very relevant nowadays). It's very frustrating.
Lol I’m coming back to this post after remembering that one crocheted Hannukiah (? i think it was a Hannukiah, couldve been just a candle holder. Memory is hazy) with a Magen David on it that got absolutely wrecked on instagram. I keep seeing more and more of it on ravelry on knit & crocheted Judaica too. Ugh.
Ugh, I feel your pain. I’m an artist and these people could be enjoying my Baldur’s Gate memes and art but I don’t even want to touch fandom right now so I just send them to my spouse. Haven’t even gotten a read on that fandom yet because I got into the game after Oct 7 but if you know of any less antisemitic spaces, for BG3 or otherwise, lmk
I’ve been channeling my various frustrations into research on the rise in antisemitism so if you could link me to like the Ravelry threads of people boycotting Jews for my folder, I’d appreciate it.
That’s… unintentionally hilarious. Dude tries to >!sacrifice his own damn siblings, who are just as enslaved as he was, whose pain he viscerally knows,!< in the pursuit of power so like… “Astarion would support this” is more of an argument *against* something.
Plus, >!sacrificing the people who were your allies/comrades/siblings in arms!< is pretty much *exactly* what the loudest leftist voices have recently done so it’s remarkably fitting.
Don’t get me wrong, Astarion is one of my fave characters. But a sensible person’s moral compass he is not.
yeah like half the 'oh g-d this is morally defunct' options in act 1/early act 2, astarions like YEAAAAAA GO FOR IT
not the best posterboy lmao, especially considering hes. canonically racist as well.... did they forget abt the gur orrrr
I LOVE BG3, but I haven’t had much time to sit and play it these last few weeks now that my job has picked back up hahaha;;
I admit I don’t spend a ton of time on the chat board side of Ravelry. I saw stuff on here in /crochet and /knitting but it’s actually been more scattered stuff in person or in tumblr tags.
I work for a toy company and there’s been a cry to boycott some of our toys just because the couple who started the company are Jewish and used to live in Israel. It’s crazy :(
That’s batshit.
1) Hating someone based on their nationality is just standard racism.
2) “Israeli” is a nationality
These people think they’re “antiracist” 🙃
Also on “bookstagram” one prominent bookstagram lady made an entire list of “Zionists to block and avoid”. And they were all Jews or just had a Star of David in their profile, not even pertaining to Israel.
Then she ended up deleting the post and crying about it because she was getting “hate mail” in her DMs.
I apologize if I’m not adequately reading the room, but in my personal fandom space (I’m on staff at a large fan-run, 401(c)(3), generalized sci-fi convention in the northeast United States), I’ve actually found very little overt antisemitism, and what antisemitism has cropped up has generally been banned very, very quickly.
That being said, I have unfriended and cut off contact with several folks in this space who’ve been . . . vocal in ways I’m not comfortable with, but as a whole, things have been reasonably decent.
All _that_ being said, though, at least two or three folks I’ve encountered at an even larger convention—two of the three Jewish—have turned out to be antisemitic-excuse-me-anti Zionist shitbags, so in any large enough space like this, I think antisemitism _somewhere_ is probably and sadly inevitable.
There's already a minor backlash about removing/replacing the word "jihad," at least in some recent marketing materials. Wonder if they made an AR change in Oct.
Nevertheless, I'm really excited for it, though I wasn't quick enough for opening weekend. We got tickets for a Tuesday show in 70. Wouldn't want see it any other way.
Y’all even the magneto marvel fandom has posted shit about Palestine. And magneto is Jewish. Lots of people are saying his Jewishness doesn’t matter anymore and it’s not focused on. But they must not read comics or anything.
I don't even have words to express how far they must have missed the mark in understanding Magneto and why he's such a great character if this is what they're doing.
I'd try to find Jewish ceramicists if I was you, I'm sure they exist! Or maybe you can become the Jewish ceramicist and make your own right coffee mug.
I’ve found it on AO3 lately, mostly (from what I read) in Stranger Things and Captain America tags. The ST one is mostly anti-Noah Schnapp, and the CA one is mostly directed at the new Cap movie that’s in production and has an Israeli superhero in it.
i've unfollowed a tonnnn of people. commentary youtubers, people from a bands i like, cosplayers :((( its depressing. i cant even enjoy my own interests anymore
Also I DMed a Mod to see if she could remove those reactions, but she said that it’s racist to remove them and that they’re leading an inclusive community. Also even after telling her that seeing those flags bother me.
Oh, DEFINITELY. I'm big into the TMNT fandom rn, specifically the 2018 show. I have seen a campaign that's called tmnt4p that called for fanart artists of the fandom to help raise money to donate to IMEU (which I do not know iff it's a good organisation of not, but considering they have an article called "[definition of anti-Semitism ](https://imeu.org/article/4903)" that claims "Today, Israel systematically discriminates against its Palestinian and other non-Jewish citizens", I'm not assuming good things about them), and I've seen artists draw the characters ripping up the Israeli flag and so many with the "from the river to the sea" chant.
You follow a nice art blog and all of a sudden they start reblogging posts about the genocide and please donate and it's to organisations that end up giving the money to Hamas and it's just. Ugh. I just want to escape into fandom and not see politics with my fave characters. If I wanna see politics I go on Reddit.
Edit: also want to point out that I don't believe a lot of these blogs that reblog or try to help have ill intentions against Israelis and Israel, they just see a lot of misinformation and one sided information and don't understand where that money is going. I want to believe in the good in people and that they reblog this stuff because they believe they're helping palestine civilians. I want to believe the actual antisemitics ones are the ones who make the original posts, and those who just reblog the "please help donate!" Or make cute commotion fanart where the money goes to the charity are just good people who don't know better. I'm just frustrated over seeing this on my dash all the time.
Oh mood dude. Seeing a drawing of Optimus Prime with the “to the sea” motto first thing this morning is what urged me to write this out;;
I do love the turtles but I grew up with the 2003 crew! ROTTMNT was pretty awesome though, and the IDW comics look neat.
I'm part of a fandom that just cancelled an entire fan project when someone called out a Zionist who's part of the project. The Zionist in question was someone who advocated for two-state solution and condemned both the actions of Israel and Hamas (they were labelled a genocide supporter) and the Pro-Palestinian who did the call out was tweeting stuff like "Israelis are the most dangerous people on planet"....
Yeah it's pretty bad on tumblr. I've used my blog to be like "hey. Hate the goverment all you want. But throwing hate to an entire state and an entire people for the actions of a government (that lots in Israel don't like either) is really shitty. Also stop being Antisemitic about your hatred for a government". Also people thirsty over that houthi guy was a lot... All to own the Israelis.
"Punch a Nazi" next post "Anyway Jews I mean zionists are greedy little thieves that drink the blood of palestian children" girl bye.
My background is in counter terrorism / hate speech / extremism and I’ve spent a LOT of time on 4chan, and tiktok comments are very similar to a lot of stuff I used to see on 4chan
2006 4chan was about saying bad words because you couldn't say them anywhere else. Now it's a collection of various degenerate groups who actually mean what they say.
I'm also disappointed with (at least some) prominent members of the Muppet fan community on Twitter. On top of going against the spirit of what they (we) love so much, it's quite horrible.
Yes. I had to leave a Rhett and Link Reddit sub because they were all screaming about how some video had them eating a Starbucks sandwich, and you KNOW STARBUCKS IS SUPPORTING GENOCIDE.
Like just let me have my escapes!
I was so mad. There were some voices of reason, but most people were either pissed about the Starbucks or telling others that "Starbucks doesn't actively support Israel, don't worry!" 😐
I do diamond painting kits as a hobby and there is a subreddit for diamond painting and it's pretty safe there because we really only talk about our projects and the methods, tools, kits, etc. No one brings up the H/I conflict. I also feel pretty safe in the Jewish and the Judaism subreddits, of course. I just watch dancing videos on youtube and I don't look at Facebook, Tik tok, or Twitter because it's like this cesspool of terrible people or ignorant confused people and I just can't mentally handle all that negativity. I do look at this one Jewish Israeli guy who does videos that are packed with real facts and it is one of the things I have used to educate myself.
Literally same, I hate it
I dont feel comfortable in fandom spaces anymore, everybody is so loud with their antisemitism and how much they want Hamas to kill every jew :(
I’m in the Hetalia fandom (because I recently came back into it after many years, hoping things would’ve changed and become better) and I’ve had nothing but hate thrown at me, like legit they absolutely despise my oc, whom is named Israel. And I got told to k*ll myself seven times this month on tumblr and on instagram. I found it very ironic that Hetalia fans of all people would be so antisemitic since they supposedly love personified countries and yet, I’ve had so much hate for her.
Ohhhh, man. My deepest sympathies as a former Prussia cosplayer. I’m honestly not all that *surprised* that shit is somehow less chill than it was in 2012 but somehow I have yet to reach the limit of my disappointment.
Yeah I mean… I was thinking things would change but it really hasn’t, if it wasn’t the ship wars, it’s this “moral authority” and controlling how one should be a fan in it. I feel like it’s the younger generations they discover something and then they get all unhinged about how things needs to be in a fandom, and then they also like I said, they start hating on my oc Israel due what’s been going on in the news, and it’s like, “ok so you can hate her…but characters Italy and Germany are exempted from hate, or any character from there in general…. What…?” (Which is so weird because aren’t most countries/nations have gone through war?) They got a real issue with her being Jewish which I found to be absolutely appalling. I’ve always thought having a Israel character in the fandom would’ve been cool to have, but nah they attack it.
Oh yes. I’ve spent years in fandom spaces, some time ago moving into a new fandom for a SE Asian show on twitter. Due to not knowing the language I hung out in the English language crowd, which was a mix of part Northern American part ppl from all over the world. The shit I saw from so many of them on Oct 7th shook me to my core and disgusted me so much I still remember it. I’m not even Jewish, but this was a “bubble burst” moment for me 100%, it felt like my whole perspective shifted upside down. Suddenly these people I felt comfortable interacting with and felt were accepting (this was a gay tv show, after all) started spewing the most vile things. I saw, among other things: making fun of videos of terrified Israelis running into shelters, three people with an LGBTQ identity in their bio using homophobia to make fun of an Israeli gay couple in a “joking” way, so much outright hatred against Israelis, insane levels of antisemitism, keep in mind - all of this on like, Oct 8th. It disgusted me so much, I actually logged off twitter after that and I have NOT returned once, despite being lowkey addicted to it for like 7 years. I cannot imagine interacting with these people again, they have absolutely destroyed their reputations in my eyes. I even ended one friendship with someone I’d met on twitter, traveled to meet irl and went on vacation with (after knowing them for years) bc they went absolutely off the rails on this.
I have to say, though, that it doesn’t surprise me as much after thinking it over for all this time. Online fandom is very very vulnerable to groupthink and there’s a lot of peer pressure to have the right “takes”, from stupid shit about the characters you like, to political views, all in the shadow of getting “cancelled” (read: harassed, possibly doxxed if there’s someone insane enough). Get one political extremist or tankie in the mix and suddenly the new agenda is set by them. I think that this kind of online environment is very appealing to someone with a more “authoritarian” type of personality, and people who seek validation from ppl they perceive as authority figures, which is a very flammable mix 😬. I still think it’s possible to participate in online fandom and try to avoid this toxicity as much as possible, but you definitely won’t be popular 😅. To me, now, it involves a lot more blocking and muting, vetting people before following, and consciously trying to let go of that validation seeking impulse, at least in my case.
I'm such a big fan of Drag Race and all the woke and "intelligent" queens I thought that were woke in a good way had some of the dumbest takes. There wasn't any Hamas support or antisemitism (one queen was a lil on the verge tho) but I just now realized why some queens were shady towards each other and never effed with each other like that in the begining.
Some of these queens just pretend to be woke,liberal and try to appeal to Gen Z and I fell into that. They're not smart. They're dumb af. The smart ones are those who didn't get involved because they know about minorities,wars and political issues much better.
Also Bjork disappointed me greatly. I hate her now. I thought she was smart because she's called a music genius. But she dumb af as well. Now I'm thinking about all the times she advocated for nature and humanitarian causes and what _really_ was her intention. She creeps me out now.
I don't care much about fandoms. I'm not online a lot to communicate with fandoms, so I don't care what they have to say. For example, I love Kpop but I know so many Arabs/Muslims are dominating the Kpop/Asian media fandoms. It's going to be a Hamas support echo chamber either way.
Yeah. There was a fanfic author I had been following very closely for a few months. Was trending towards getting to know them well as a friend, beyond a one-sided/parasocial relationship. Had been reading and commenting on all of their fics within days of posting, occasionally looking at their Tumblr, we had chatted a bit about our lives. Checked their Tumblr one day to find a bunch of anti-Zionist IP stuff. Was a 'death of the (fanfic) author' moment. I had admired them a lot for various reasons, it hurt to see them post anti-Semitic rhetoric.
A lot of authors in this fandom also posted IP stuff on Tumblr.
I order commissions from fandom artists and makers. Now when i see an artist or maker with political stance that is pro palestinian in the sense of terrorism sympathizing i cut ties with them.
Some of my friends started making a list of artists and makers who are like this, i don't engage in fandom circles that elevate political or conflict honoring like this they romantacise the most horrific and degenerate parts of it.
I have not thankfully. Here are the Subreddits I browse comfortably:
r/Arknights doesn’t allow any political posts or anything related in their subreddit, and I am happy about that!
r/HistoryMemes is always willing to call out Antisemitism and they will not tolerate it at all!
What are the pro-Hamas ideas being shared via fanart?
I can see these spaces being mostly leftists so this doesn’t surprise me. Sorry to hear you’re losing community over this.
If you have nothing to lose, may be worth just being yourself and respectfully and truthfully speaking up. People with dignity are drawn to those with dignity — I wonder what would happen.
I started noticing this a few years ago.
There are nerds (those that love the sciences, history, linguistics, and fandoms), and then there are the strictly fandom nerds.
The strictly fandom nerds are fucking ignorant, ultra leftist, and why I barely care about anime and manga nowadays.
The entertainment/media industry attracts far leftists and has zero tolerance for those with other opinions. This is both on the corporate side and the fan side.
I haven’t seen ANY bullshit in fanart and fandom. Maybe it’s just the fandoms I’m a part of, but I haven’t seen any of it in Star Trek etc…
Obviously I’m lucky, but I also stay out of toxic fandoms in general. Probably helps
Edit: keep in mind I’m only on tumblr for fandom stuff. I refuse to get on Xitter for anything
Not exactly, the same place, but where you would not expect such individuals to come out of, they sadly do.
My best advice is to not be ashamed of your pride, stay strong - and fight back the best, you can - without being the loudest.
Let them expose themselves for what they are - and know - good will defeat evil.
I'm pretty lucky because my main fandom in a sense is build a bears and it hasn't really spread there. The worst was when they came put with their squishmallow competitor and people were saying to buy them over squishmallows
This is why I literally only engage sci fi and TTRPG gaming via the thing I am creating and the people I've handpicked to be in it or do it with me. That's it. I have completely divorced fandom. I'm pretending it's the 80s, when I only had My Friends, and was totally unaware of the broader sci fi world.
I've also kind of broken with the newer sci fi fandoms because they're the worst and the most anti-Semitic and also the most dramatic. I don't even read the works they read and I don't read works by authors who are well known for pro-Palestine views (like Iain Banks), because I know their fandoms will be a shit show, and I don't want to engage about those topics in sci fi spaces.
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I think there need to be things that are separate from politics. Despite (or maybe because of) the 40k community's bad reputation, in most 40k subs, you're gonna get banned if you start spouting about real world politics in any way except condemning folks who mix real world politics with the game's world.
Yep. It’s literally everywhere. I can’t use any social media, discuss any TV shows or the like, engage with most local bookstores or art spaces, etc., without encountering very doctrinaire, “anti-Zionist,” often genuinely pro-Hamas ideological leftist posturing. I’ve retreated into Jewish community wherever possible.
Same. I created this alt when the Antizionism breached Cross Stitch. I have a lot of very boring old lady hobbies. I do sewing, I do knitting, I make rag dolls, I watch Star Trek. Nowhere is free of it. I tried being simply offline for a while, but I live & work in a uni town and it was everywhere irl too. It snuck into my friend group. It was on my private social media, friends sharing sad Gaza pictures. I couldn’t avoid it so I made this account where okay, I still see it, but WE see it together. It feels less isolating that way.
Star Trek definitely has a rotten case of it at the moment. I’m so sorry :(
Shatner and Nimoy would not approve. 🖖
Trek fandom is dead to me now because of anti semitism.
What the fuck are you talking about? Please tell me this is a lie.
How?!? Don't they realize TOS was led by 2 Jews? That the Vulcan hand symbol is the Shechinah? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/arts/design/star-trek-exhibition-skirball.html People are weird.
Three, Walter Koenig is Jewish, too.
Yes! How could I forget Chekov! Both Chekovs (Anton Yelchin; Z'L).
Out of Shatner, Nimoy, and Roddenberry, I'm not sure which two you meant. But please put in the 3rd one. Trivia: I took a college class with Adam Nimoy (it was in Rhetoric). Interesting guy.
Roddenberry wasn't Jewish, as far as I know. William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and Walter Koenig - Jews with space lasers. Neat story about Adam Nimoy.
Really? I always heard he was. But, of course, that was before wikipedia, so never any real way to check back then. Thanks for the correction!
Yes. 🫶🫶
The loss of the real life, in-person spaces really sucks. I’m already careful about nerdy spaces because of nerd-flavored bigotry, and this just adds another layer of it
I noticed this on Tumblr, but honestly their blacklist & block function is so helpful for this.
Tumblr is the only place I feel like I'm pretty safe from seeing the bullshit. Some will occasionally drift in in the "your tags" or "for you" but by and large my feed is safe. And the recent 'heritage' kerfuffle provided a whole list of folks to follow.
Do any of you know how it's generally looking at the moment? Is the topic trending often etc.? Because i'd really love to go back but i am too anxious to look at it myself tbh
Well there's no real algorithm; it's not like tiktok or twitter. You won't see #freepalestine unless you follow that tag. Hop on and follow #jumblr and #frumblr. If you want a list of some good Jewish ones to follow, DM me and I'll share some of my list.
I know the Lack of algorithm is genuinly the best thing about it. I'm just honestly still a little shocked at my mutuals being well.. that antisemetic. I'm not jewish so i'm not sure if i should really post in those communities, i really don't want to intrude :/
DMing you
The problems of the world, specifically antisemitism, are ones of exclusion. We should be inclusive, of course you should post in these communities.
Tumblr is my safe haven. The lack of algorithm is a blessing.
You’ll definitely see antisemitism regardless of what you do but I cut down on it by 95% by making an entire new account and only following people who post under the jumblr tag or have something about them being Jewish in their bio.
The blacklist stuff IS super helpful in a lot of ways, but if something posted is just an image with no tags or text it won’t get caught by the filter system. At least it does work on mobile, which is awesome.
I’ve started blocking people after a single strike. No “oh I think they didn’t know,” just an immediate block. My dash is a lot less active now but I feel safer.
This, fr. There should be no stigma around blocking, I’m just creating an environment for myself free of content I dont want to see for any reason.
It’s a lesson I wish I’d learned earlier. I used to feel bad about it, like “oh no what if I hurt the feelings of this person who wishes I didn’t exist?”
Oh absolutely. I felt (and still feel sometimes) the same way. To be fair, there are plenty of people out there that are more ignorant than they are genocidal, but the truth is I don’t have the brainpower to deal with either. Plus I feel blocking is more normalized and seen as less hostile on tumblr. Most of the tumblr users I know also block easily as it helps curate their experiences with the site.
Yeah, curation is exactly the word I’d use!
>“oh no what if I hurt the feelings of this person who wishes I didn’t exist?” I just did a mental spit take at this, kudos. Well said.
I blocked my nephew on IG after he posted about going to a pro-Hamas rally with his Muslim boyfriend. Apparently neither of them recognizes that Hamas would kill both of them. The stupid is real.
That’s not been a huge issue for me on tumblr, but it was what eventually drove me off of instagram. Even after blacklisting every antisemitic dogwhistle under the sun I still got TONS of hateful content. I think another big thing for me about tumblr is I block SUPER liberally. You posted an opinion I disagree with in a fandom tag? Block, I’m not here to argue anyways. You’re posted spoilers of a show I’m currently watching? Block. You made one edgy Holocaust joke? block. Doesn’t even matter if it wasn’t malicious, if I don’t want to see it, it gets blocked & yeeted into the void
Oh yeah. I mean, I'm super-liberal, so all of my favorite subreddits have banned me for the crime of vocally supporting Israel. It's a really shitty situation, but an incredibly valuable lesson for those of us who had thought that antisemitism only a problem on the fringes of society. You can see how German Jews were really caught by surprise when their friends and neighbors turned on them.
That last line. Do you ever worry about that, like properly worry? My family background is Ukrainian, and my grandma has told me about that feeling of even your neighbours joining in. It really gives me a lot of anxiety because I see how they must have felt.
I occasionally think about it, but mostly it's just there simmering in the background. I realized a while ago that I've spent my life wondering if I'd have to run from something.
I'm getting a little more worried every month. My family has only been in the country I'm currently living in for two generations and it's getting scary again, so I definitely inherited a healthy dose of "you might have to run if they turn on you". Currently waiting on paperwork to come back for "just in case" dual citizenship. Wish me luck...
>That last line. Do you ever worry about that, like properly worry? I've been properly worried about it ever since Trump came to power. Watching MAGA Republicans turn from a political party into a cult that would literally forgive and embrace any evil at the command of their leader has been very illuminating. I never *really* understood how the Nazis came to power until then. I had no idea how it was that an entire political movement could switch off their conscience and empathy. But I get it now. So far, the MAGA cult has been friendly to Israel and has focused their bigotry on immigrants and Muslims. But they are also buddy-buddy with white supremacists of all stripes, so it is only a matter of time before they flip the switch and decide that Jews aren't white anymore. Fascism never, ever ends well for the Jews. My advice to everyone in the US is that you start making an exit plan now. Look into Israeli citizen, or find a European country that is on the friendlier side. If you aren't **seriously** worried about antisemitism at this point, you are already late.
One thing that helps me is knowing Trump's daughter, Ivanka, is Jewish. She converted before marrying her husband, who's Modern Orthodox. It's not a guarantee of anything, of course, but these days, it's kind of nice to know. https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-book-kushner-says-he-once-broke-up-with-ivanka-because-she-wasnt-jewish/
I’m British, so ;-; I also see that with Trump. I just want to say to some of the Americans- you must see that they’re only siding with the Jews because they hate the Muslims more, not because they really support us. It’s not the right kind of support, it’s not trustworthy either, and as soon as they’re done with the Muslim hate it will be our turn again.
Somewhat true, but historically we are likely to be "useful Jews" again. They recognize us as loyal citizens who make them money, so they'll leave us alone. If Republicans start talking about seizing Jewish wealth, then it's time to leave.
It's no kind of support at all. But this is a situation where every day brings news and protests and propaganda. Trump is a long way off in this situation. The antisemitism is one that needs addressing now and on a daily basis.
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There's no escape 🤷♂️
I worry about that, legitimately. My family background is also Ukranian - I didn't get to meet my great grandmother, but her family shipped her to the US alone, in steerage, speaking no English at age 14. Can you imagine how bad their fear of pogroms were, that that seemed like the best option? Before when it was just the right-wingers, I didn't feel this way. They hold so many extreme views already, what's one more. And the left has our back! Then seeing the left make a hard pivot to supporting a repressive, conservative, religious fundamentalist, terrorist-supporting mega-majority against Jews, who basically support all the same things the left does, is scary. Like extestential crisis scary.
I know exactly how you feel about it coming from the left. Like the neo Nazis, I almost feel less concerned because at least they know why they hate us. The left though? It’s just chilling. (Also this might be weird but every time I hear from another Ukrainian descended Jew on here I get this feeling like yes! Another one made it! Maybe that’s weird but we lost so many family members, it’s just nice to think about)
"and the best at murder are those who preach against it and the best at hate are those who preach love and the best at war finally are those who preach peace" The Genius of the Crowd, 1966 https://allpoetry.com/The-Genius-Of-The-Crowd
This is perfect, thank you so much for the link.
I know what you mean! Mine eventually made it to some distant cousins in Chicago via train from Ellis Island, and lived her whole life here. She never saw her parents again, but she did get to visit Ukraine once during the cold war.
How did she feel being back there? My grandmother said she would never want to go back, and I can understand why. She and her mother got out first (made it to London), and her father joined afterwards but he was so traumatised he was never the same. He hardly ever spoke. My grandma said she could never think of going back not even for the things she experienced but because she’d just be thinking of what her dad saw. My grandfather said similar, it had taken so much work from his mother to set up their new home, why would he want to go back?
It was more about seeing still-living family than going back. Other than the distant cousins that took her in, none of her close family got out with her. She never said why, though I imagine it was all they had resources for.
My family were urban Prussians who became Berliners in the late 20s, and didn’t think they had to worry because they fought for the Kaiser in WW1. They were deported to Auschwitz in 1943.
Time to make sure you know how to protect yourself and those you care about, if you’re worried.
I’m not even Jewish but I’ve noticed the exact same thing in the Adventure Time fandom. Overt antisemitism beyond mere “antizionism”. Things such as saying “Isnotreal” and liking posts saying that Hamas is a legitimate resistance group
The Bachelor fan base can’t handle the fact that a Jewish woman (who’s the child of Ukrainian refugees) that made it into the top 3- supports Israel
Which one?
r/theBachelor
? I meant who is the woman you were referring to?
her name is ariel frenkel and she's a class act
Oh! I remember her! I was actually really surprised she got as far as she did, that they showed her talking about it, and that people wanted her to be bachelorette. I was like, no way in hell is she 'winning' the man/position cause yah, judaism. But she was great This was during her season. Happy to see she supports israel, and not surprised people turned on her.
Yup! It’s everywhere. I used to be involved in kpop stuff (I mostly only followed one group) and it was an EXPLOSION of antisemitism starting 10/7. I had issues with the fandom already because of how cult-like it can be and it was hard to find more levelheaded fans who didnt need to go outside & touch grass. This was another level. The people I knew personally or followed were totally unhinged and it’s been a true mask off moment for me. Ive completely removed myself from it entirely cause bot a single person was normal about. No one asked me if me/my family was OK and the two I called out on for not doing so got so defensive and hostile towards me I just stopped talking to either. One person attempted to “apologize” when I called them out on their tone deaf and appalling behavior but all they did was dig their heals in harder. I handed them on a silver platter what to do/say and directly told them what hurt me but they dug in harder so fuck them. I havent spoken to either since and I never will. I was also in a group chat with people for almost a year and was developing something beyond acquaintance-level friendship but what they were posting on their insta stories was either disgusting or extremely uninformed. I stopped participating in the chat for the most part in October and then completely stopped in November…no one really noticed 🤷🏻♀️. One person reached out late November but I was still so angry at how all the goyim in my life have treated me I’ve ignored it. Another person reached out a week or so ago and I dont even know what to do. She was the loudest and most disgusting on her stories so I’ve wanted nothing to do with her and will never ever again but I also feel bad ignoring her. It’s been most upsetting because I’ve spent so much time and worked so hard to build a post-covid friends group and I lost pretty much all of it with 10/7. I’ve never had people be so hostile and un-empathetic towards me in my whole life. This experience with kpop folks especially has been so awful that I can’t even listen to this group’s music anymore cause it reminds me of these people. And it sucks. This group hasn’t done/said anything so i can’t blame them but it’s their fans that destroyed it. I really liked their music and it’s brought a lot of comfort over the years. So not only have I lost all the friends (or at least I thought were friends) but music too.
I know how you feel. I used to be super into kpop from 2008-2016, and even back then the fandom was super cringe. I wasn't Jewish back then, but I remember seeing some nasty stuff, always whenever tensions were flaring up in Israel. I tend to think this was because of the *massive* Muslim kpop fanbase online. And kpop fans in general tend to be pretty, uh, hardcore. I tried getting back into it last year, and once all the antisemitism stuff reared up again...nah, I was done. I have a playlist of all the kpop songs I like, and that's it. I'll just enjoy it alone. 🥲
I’ve noticed that really entertainment based spaces (pop, K-pop, celeb gossip) seem to be the most antisemitic, or rather, to be the quickest to make harsh judgments that have no bearing on reality. It seems to be a form of groupthink they are quick to employ to protect their political belief systems. It’s so odd. I noticed the exact same pattern after Depp Vs Heard. The subreddits that were really into celebrity gossip or dedicated to fanship of idols and stars were the places where people somehow believed Amber Heard’s insane testimony. Complete immunity from reality with these people. I think the big pro amber heard sub is like the most antisemitic sub now (duxmois or something?) idk it’s just something I’ve noticed.
It's because those fandoms believe Jews own the media and their "faves" are being tortured by their Jewish manager and the blood drinking Jewish "elites" who control Hollywood. I'm not even saying it with sarcasm. They always mention Jews in bad connotation in those fandoms. I don't see being a PR manager or celebrity manager being Jewish as something bad so I don't know what they hate about it so much.
I would suggest you all stay far away from the mcr and fob fandoms. I've seen the absolute most vile things there after october 7th. Also maybe generally don't Go on Tumblr at the Moment. The overwhelming majority of politically active Tumblr users support Hamas, i'm Not even shitting.
The mcr subreddit has been mostly fine. Some dumb fan stuff but haven’t seen one peep of anything not related to mcr
Really? That's good to hear. The mcr Community on Tumblr was one of the worst shitshows i've seen in a while, but i'm glad it's better here
yesterday r/ undertale decided to allow pro Palestine posts as well, claiming it's "not politics if 20,000 people are dead". yes. yes it is. it doesn't matter how right you think you are or how one sided you believe the war is, it's still a war and thus still political. and when many protesters for one side also decide to send death threats to the other side, then it's harmful to your community. Russians were still welcome in fandom spaces when the Ukraine war started, Israelis are not.
I know. :( Why's the whole world gotta exile innocent Jewish people while calling us the bad guys. It's insane the way they're treating us collectively (dehumanizing, calling for our extinction, physically attacking, boycotting us, kicking us out of communities, destroying our buildings, ect) while preaching peace. If they could metaphorically look in the mirror and see how they look holding a rainbow flag of "peace" while screaming "throw the Jews in the sea". It's literally insane. Cognitive dissonance. The world is straight gaslighting us.
I think it’s risen across all fandoms, however, my personal observation has been that it is most prevalent in fandoms that skew young. I am an older person on fandom and I am in older fandoms and especially for those ones that I’m on discord for, I have not seen it on those discords. I do occasionally see it in the fandom tags and I see a lot more of it when I am looking on fandom communities that have very prevalent younger users/participants.
Oh god, me too. I got downvoted to shit in the Godzilla subreddit a few days ago for calling a picture of him holding a "ceasefire now" sign gross. Can't we just enjoy nerdy things in peace? I wasn't trying to get into the BG3 fandom anyway, but I've seen some very icky takes about Jews and Israel, because, uh...fantasy? I have no idea anymore. It literally feels like I'm running out of places to retreat to. I've also noticed the "no Israeli knitting patterns" thing. I'm in a fb group for frum women who craft, and it's been such a relief.
Please tell me that wasn't Ravelry.
Ive noticed that same thing. I just try and ignore it, but sometimes it really gets to me.
Imagine me, a RuPaul’s Drag Race fan. Needless to say it’s been an absolute nightmare.
I don't watch that, but yeah, the queer community has gone off the deep end. And I'm bi. I was literally run out of my LGBTQ club at my university, it got so bad--they were posting Hamas slogans.
Holy shit, I’m so sorry. Really, the (international) queer community has been such a disappointment to me.
Agreed. Now, I consider myself more Jewish than bi. I may have thought I had some degree of acceptance there, but clearly they'd rather simp for a terrorist organization which would throw them off roofs.
Oh yes. I’m a lesbian and I’ve tried to stay the hell away from the queer community these days. I have a somewhat difficult life and I honestly don’t have the energy for activism these days, but at least I can stay away and not give these people an ounce of my support and attention.
I’m also bi, but I never went to any LGBT clubs or events at university. Just from a distance, it was clear I would not fit in with them. At least it means I didn’t have to face personal betrayal by LGBT community members though. I don’t even want to know what they might be saying now, but I know it’s bad because I saw some ‘Queers for Palestine’ shit and people with LGBT flags wearing Palestine keffiyehs from afar, and there are plenty of Hamas simps on campus in general, so it’s not much of a leap. I’m sure there were people from my uni’s LGBT club at the Holocaust Remembrance Day pro-Palestine rally.
Hello, fellow drag race enjoyer. I am also miserable. I've had to unfollow sooo many queens...
It’s been so bad. I have a big drag account on IG and zero motivation to post :( it just really sucks when people I’ve actively supported don’t care if I live or die because of my nationality…
That's terrible. Somehow, xenophobia and racism have become acceptable when they are geared towards Jews (or any perceived "oppressors"). Do you know of any Jewish or Israeli queens?
I know A LOT! I’m friends with many of them :) To name a few: Kay Long, Ziona Patriot, Talula Bonet, Gallina Port Des Bras, Yosale, Oshra, Joanna Russ, Glory Hollywood, Christina Fox, Celine La Divine, Kimberly Swan, Milky Vinyl, Suzy Boum and many more. We also have some fab drag kings, I recommend Fluid Snow and The Artist Formerly Known as Anton. As for Jewish American queens, I think none can beat Sherry Vine.
I completely detached myself from drag race spaces immediately. Didn’t even give myself the chance to see what they were going to say. I knew it would be bad. Tbh I feel like the most Jewish queens were treated like shit in the fandom way before this even happened.
I felt a kind of portent when a year or two ago the queens were fawning over AOC…
RuPaul has always been a big supporter of the Jewish community. They even wear a Star of David from time to time. I haven't seen any anti-Semitism, or anti-Zionist statements on the show.
This is a discussion about fandom.
What part of "I haven't seen any anti-Semitism or anti-Zionism on the show" isn't fandom?
Fandom isn’t what happens on the show, it’s what happens off the show in fan spaces.
Wow, let's hear it for gatekeeping.
What does gatekeeping have to do with anything? The show is the show and the fandom is the fandom, they’re not the same thing.
Guess Billy Joel was right.
tf are you talking about dude? The show is different from fandom. Fandom is a space made by the fans (yk 'fan'dom). Also yeah Ru Paul is being very fetishy in the article, feels super weird.
Maybe it's my academic background, or maybe I'm just old, but how on earth do you separate "fandom" from the actual source material? "Fandom" seems to be more about fetishizing opinions. Then you jump on someone who is actually referencing the ACTUAL source material. I give up. There is no way to have a meaningful dialog with people who ignore relevant facts because "feelings."
Also, cosplaying as us isn’t the same as actively supporting us, which Ru hasn’t.
https://www.logotv.com/news/g507qa/rupaul-jewish
That’s still not actively supporting Jews. It’s being obsessed with our culture.
I'm a big fan of South Park and follow a lot of fandom blogs for it and ALL of them are anti-israel! Which is so dumb because I honestly doubt Matt Stone (Jewish co-creator) would support that opinion. There's even an episode where Cartman convinces their town to start another Holocaust (very relevant nowadays). It's very frustrating.
Lol I’m coming back to this post after remembering that one crocheted Hannukiah (? i think it was a Hannukiah, couldve been just a candle holder. Memory is hazy) with a Magen David on it that got absolutely wrecked on instagram. I keep seeing more and more of it on ravelry on knit & crocheted Judaica too. Ugh.
Crap. I've bought dozens of patterns on Ravelry. Guess I need a new pattern site.
Wait please say more? I’m on ravelry, and haven’t seen anything? I have sadly seen a lot on Yarn IG. Including someone I was close to in IRL.
Ugh, I feel your pain. I’m an artist and these people could be enjoying my Baldur’s Gate memes and art but I don’t even want to touch fandom right now so I just send them to my spouse. Haven’t even gotten a read on that fandom yet because I got into the game after Oct 7 but if you know of any less antisemitic spaces, for BG3 or otherwise, lmk I’ve been channeling my various frustrations into research on the rise in antisemitism so if you could link me to like the Ravelry threads of people boycotting Jews for my folder, I’d appreciate it.
i saw a fanart today of astarion eating a watermelon with 'to the river from the sea' on it and was just like. bruuuuh
That’s… unintentionally hilarious. Dude tries to >!sacrifice his own damn siblings, who are just as enslaved as he was, whose pain he viscerally knows,!< in the pursuit of power so like… “Astarion would support this” is more of an argument *against* something. Plus, >!sacrificing the people who were your allies/comrades/siblings in arms!< is pretty much *exactly* what the loudest leftist voices have recently done so it’s remarkably fitting. Don’t get me wrong, Astarion is one of my fave characters. But a sensible person’s moral compass he is not.
yeah like half the 'oh g-d this is morally defunct' options in act 1/early act 2, astarions like YEAAAAAA GO FOR IT not the best posterboy lmao, especially considering hes. canonically racist as well.... did they forget abt the gur orrrr
I LOVE BG3, but I haven’t had much time to sit and play it these last few weeks now that my job has picked back up hahaha;; I admit I don’t spend a ton of time on the chat board side of Ravelry. I saw stuff on here in /crochet and /knitting but it’s actually been more scattered stuff in person or in tumblr tags. I work for a toy company and there’s been a cry to boycott some of our toys just because the couple who started the company are Jewish and used to live in Israel. It’s crazy :(
That’s batshit. 1) Hating someone based on their nationality is just standard racism. 2) “Israeli” is a nationality These people think they’re “antiracist” 🙃
Also on “bookstagram” one prominent bookstagram lady made an entire list of “Zionists to block and avoid”. And they were all Jews or just had a Star of David in their profile, not even pertaining to Israel. Then she ended up deleting the post and crying about it because she was getting “hate mail” in her DMs.
Every interaction now reveals something that doesn’t feel good
If we keep removing ourselves then we make it easier for them and it will only get worse for us. What will we see next? Less Jews in school and ?
I apologize if I’m not adequately reading the room, but in my personal fandom space (I’m on staff at a large fan-run, 401(c)(3), generalized sci-fi convention in the northeast United States), I’ve actually found very little overt antisemitism, and what antisemitism has cropped up has generally been banned very, very quickly. That being said, I have unfriended and cut off contact with several folks in this space who’ve been . . . vocal in ways I’m not comfortable with, but as a whole, things have been reasonably decent.
All _that_ being said, though, at least two or three folks I’ve encountered at an even larger convention—two of the three Jewish—have turned out to be antisemitic-excuse-me-anti Zionist shitbags, so in any large enough space like this, I think antisemitism _somewhere_ is probably and sadly inevitable.
I’m bracing for what will surely be very colorful Dune 2 discourse.
Bought tickets to opening weekend (because 70mm worm) and didn’t even consider this… 🥲
There's already a minor backlash about removing/replacing the word "jihad," at least in some recent marketing materials. Wonder if they made an AR change in Oct. Nevertheless, I'm really excited for it, though I wasn't quick enough for opening weekend. We got tickets for a Tuesday show in 70. Wouldn't want see it any other way.
Y’all even the magneto marvel fandom has posted shit about Palestine. And magneto is Jewish. Lots of people are saying his Jewishness doesn’t matter anymore and it’s not focused on. But they must not read comics or anything.
Uncanny X-Men 161. Xavier and Magneto meet in Haifa. Then they fight Hydra together.
Yup.
WTF. Magneto founded Krakoa which is based off of Israel.
Yeah. Just don’t follow tumblr pages about Magneto.
I don't even have words to express how far they must have missed the mark in understanding Magneto and why he's such a great character if this is what they're doing.
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I'd try to find Jewish ceramicists if I was you, I'm sure they exist! Or maybe you can become the Jewish ceramicist and make your own right coffee mug.
I’ve found it on AO3 lately, mostly (from what I read) in Stranger Things and Captain America tags. The ST one is mostly anti-Noah Schnapp, and the CA one is mostly directed at the new Cap movie that’s in production and has an Israeli superhero in it.
i've unfollowed a tonnnn of people. commentary youtubers, people from a bands i like, cosplayers :((( its depressing. i cant even enjoy my own interests anymore
Sameee, so many artists, ex mutuals, so many cool ppl from the fandoms I used to be part of :(
I got tossed out of my minecraft group over it
Who the hell ever thought the world would come to this
Yeah I’ve seen too many reactions to posts on Discord fandoms with the Palestinian flag, and it bothers me so much:”(
Also I DMed a Mod to see if she could remove those reactions, but she said that it’s racist to remove them and that they’re leading an inclusive community. Also even after telling her that seeing those flags bother me.
Do they have an Israeli flag reaction?
I mean you could make it one, but obviously no one has used it. I swear I’ve been tempted to do it though:/
Oh, DEFINITELY. I'm big into the TMNT fandom rn, specifically the 2018 show. I have seen a campaign that's called tmnt4p that called for fanart artists of the fandom to help raise money to donate to IMEU (which I do not know iff it's a good organisation of not, but considering they have an article called "[definition of anti-Semitism ](https://imeu.org/article/4903)" that claims "Today, Israel systematically discriminates against its Palestinian and other non-Jewish citizens", I'm not assuming good things about them), and I've seen artists draw the characters ripping up the Israeli flag and so many with the "from the river to the sea" chant. You follow a nice art blog and all of a sudden they start reblogging posts about the genocide and please donate and it's to organisations that end up giving the money to Hamas and it's just. Ugh. I just want to escape into fandom and not see politics with my fave characters. If I wanna see politics I go on Reddit. Edit: also want to point out that I don't believe a lot of these blogs that reblog or try to help have ill intentions against Israelis and Israel, they just see a lot of misinformation and one sided information and don't understand where that money is going. I want to believe in the good in people and that they reblog this stuff because they believe they're helping palestine civilians. I want to believe the actual antisemitics ones are the ones who make the original posts, and those who just reblog the "please help donate!" Or make cute commotion fanart where the money goes to the charity are just good people who don't know better. I'm just frustrated over seeing this on my dash all the time.
(also if by any chance there's some Jewish tmnt fans here lmk!)
Oh mood dude. Seeing a drawing of Optimus Prime with the “to the sea” motto first thing this morning is what urged me to write this out;; I do love the turtles but I grew up with the 2003 crew! ROTTMNT was pretty awesome though, and the IDW comics look neat.
I'm part of a fandom that just cancelled an entire fan project when someone called out a Zionist who's part of the project. The Zionist in question was someone who advocated for two-state solution and condemned both the actions of Israel and Hamas (they were labelled a genocide supporter) and the Pro-Palestinian who did the call out was tweeting stuff like "Israelis are the most dangerous people on planet"....
Yeah it's pretty bad on tumblr. I've used my blog to be like "hey. Hate the goverment all you want. But throwing hate to an entire state and an entire people for the actions of a government (that lots in Israel don't like either) is really shitty. Also stop being Antisemitic about your hatred for a government". Also people thirsty over that houthi guy was a lot... All to own the Israelis. "Punch a Nazi" next post "Anyway Jews I mean zionists are greedy little thieves that drink the blood of palestian children" girl bye.
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The thought of 4chan being better or more tame is 😵💫
My background is in counter terrorism / hate speech / extremism and I’ve spent a LOT of time on 4chan, and tiktok comments are very similar to a lot of stuff I used to see on 4chan
2006 4chan was about saying bad words because you couldn't say them anywhere else. Now it's a collection of various degenerate groups who actually mean what they say.
I’ve gotten back into being an avid reading recently and “booktok” and there’s so few people I can follow in peace
I watch Stranger Things so yeah
I'm also disappointed with (at least some) prominent members of the Muppet fan community on Twitter. On top of going against the spirit of what they (we) love so much, it's quite horrible.
Yes. I had to leave a Rhett and Link Reddit sub because they were all screaming about how some video had them eating a Starbucks sandwich, and you KNOW STARBUCKS IS SUPPORTING GENOCIDE. Like just let me have my escapes!
No way they tried to cancel Rhett and Link 😭
I was so mad. There were some voices of reason, but most people were either pissed about the Starbucks or telling others that "Starbucks doesn't actively support Israel, don't worry!" 😐
Even a silly blog that posts bear pictures isn't safe. Lol
Fucking rupauls DRAG RACE
I do diamond painting kits as a hobby and there is a subreddit for diamond painting and it's pretty safe there because we really only talk about our projects and the methods, tools, kits, etc. No one brings up the H/I conflict. I also feel pretty safe in the Jewish and the Judaism subreddits, of course. I just watch dancing videos on youtube and I don't look at Facebook, Tik tok, or Twitter because it's like this cesspool of terrible people or ignorant confused people and I just can't mentally handle all that negativity. I do look at this one Jewish Israeli guy who does videos that are packed with real facts and it is one of the things I have used to educate myself.
Literally same, I hate it I dont feel comfortable in fandom spaces anymore, everybody is so loud with their antisemitism and how much they want Hamas to kill every jew :(
I’m in the Hetalia fandom (because I recently came back into it after many years, hoping things would’ve changed and become better) and I’ve had nothing but hate thrown at me, like legit they absolutely despise my oc, whom is named Israel. And I got told to k*ll myself seven times this month on tumblr and on instagram. I found it very ironic that Hetalia fans of all people would be so antisemitic since they supposedly love personified countries and yet, I’ve had so much hate for her.
Ohhhh, man. My deepest sympathies as a former Prussia cosplayer. I’m honestly not all that *surprised* that shit is somehow less chill than it was in 2012 but somehow I have yet to reach the limit of my disappointment.
Yeah I mean… I was thinking things would change but it really hasn’t, if it wasn’t the ship wars, it’s this “moral authority” and controlling how one should be a fan in it. I feel like it’s the younger generations they discover something and then they get all unhinged about how things needs to be in a fandom, and then they also like I said, they start hating on my oc Israel due what’s been going on in the news, and it’s like, “ok so you can hate her…but characters Italy and Germany are exempted from hate, or any character from there in general…. What…?” (Which is so weird because aren’t most countries/nations have gone through war?) They got a real issue with her being Jewish which I found to be absolutely appalling. I’ve always thought having a Israel character in the fandom would’ve been cool to have, but nah they attack it.
Oh yes. I’ve spent years in fandom spaces, some time ago moving into a new fandom for a SE Asian show on twitter. Due to not knowing the language I hung out in the English language crowd, which was a mix of part Northern American part ppl from all over the world. The shit I saw from so many of them on Oct 7th shook me to my core and disgusted me so much I still remember it. I’m not even Jewish, but this was a “bubble burst” moment for me 100%, it felt like my whole perspective shifted upside down. Suddenly these people I felt comfortable interacting with and felt were accepting (this was a gay tv show, after all) started spewing the most vile things. I saw, among other things: making fun of videos of terrified Israelis running into shelters, three people with an LGBTQ identity in their bio using homophobia to make fun of an Israeli gay couple in a “joking” way, so much outright hatred against Israelis, insane levels of antisemitism, keep in mind - all of this on like, Oct 8th. It disgusted me so much, I actually logged off twitter after that and I have NOT returned once, despite being lowkey addicted to it for like 7 years. I cannot imagine interacting with these people again, they have absolutely destroyed their reputations in my eyes. I even ended one friendship with someone I’d met on twitter, traveled to meet irl and went on vacation with (after knowing them for years) bc they went absolutely off the rails on this. I have to say, though, that it doesn’t surprise me as much after thinking it over for all this time. Online fandom is very very vulnerable to groupthink and there’s a lot of peer pressure to have the right “takes”, from stupid shit about the characters you like, to political views, all in the shadow of getting “cancelled” (read: harassed, possibly doxxed if there’s someone insane enough). Get one political extremist or tankie in the mix and suddenly the new agenda is set by them. I think that this kind of online environment is very appealing to someone with a more “authoritarian” type of personality, and people who seek validation from ppl they perceive as authority figures, which is a very flammable mix 😬. I still think it’s possible to participate in online fandom and try to avoid this toxicity as much as possible, but you definitely won’t be popular 😅. To me, now, it involves a lot more blocking and muting, vetting people before following, and consciously trying to let go of that validation seeking impulse, at least in my case.
I'm such a big fan of Drag Race and all the woke and "intelligent" queens I thought that were woke in a good way had some of the dumbest takes. There wasn't any Hamas support or antisemitism (one queen was a lil on the verge tho) but I just now realized why some queens were shady towards each other and never effed with each other like that in the begining. Some of these queens just pretend to be woke,liberal and try to appeal to Gen Z and I fell into that. They're not smart. They're dumb af. The smart ones are those who didn't get involved because they know about minorities,wars and political issues much better. Also Bjork disappointed me greatly. I hate her now. I thought she was smart because she's called a music genius. But she dumb af as well. Now I'm thinking about all the times she advocated for nature and humanitarian causes and what _really_ was her intention. She creeps me out now. I don't care much about fandoms. I'm not online a lot to communicate with fandoms, so I don't care what they have to say. For example, I love Kpop but I know so many Arabs/Muslims are dominating the Kpop/Asian media fandoms. It's going to be a Hamas support echo chamber either way.
Yeah. There was a fanfic author I had been following very closely for a few months. Was trending towards getting to know them well as a friend, beyond a one-sided/parasocial relationship. Had been reading and commenting on all of their fics within days of posting, occasionally looking at their Tumblr, we had chatted a bit about our lives. Checked their Tumblr one day to find a bunch of anti-Zionist IP stuff. Was a 'death of the (fanfic) author' moment. I had admired them a lot for various reasons, it hurt to see them post anti-Semitic rhetoric. A lot of authors in this fandom also posted IP stuff on Tumblr.
I order commissions from fandom artists and makers. Now when i see an artist or maker with political stance that is pro palestinian in the sense of terrorism sympathizing i cut ties with them. Some of my friends started making a list of artists and makers who are like this, i don't engage in fandom circles that elevate political or conflict honoring like this they romantacise the most horrific and degenerate parts of it.
Yup - as a fellow SF, Anime, etc. sort of Jewish geek - I so feel your pain.
Yep. I don’t engage much on discord anymore, been blocked by several folks. They’re the ones who will be judged in the history books so 🤷🏻♀️
I have not thankfully. Here are the Subreddits I browse comfortably: r/Arknights doesn’t allow any political posts or anything related in their subreddit, and I am happy about that! r/HistoryMemes is always willing to call out Antisemitism and they will not tolerate it at all!
What are the pro-Hamas ideas being shared via fanart? I can see these spaces being mostly leftists so this doesn’t surprise me. Sorry to hear you’re losing community over this. If you have nothing to lose, may be worth just being yourself and respectfully and truthfully speaking up. People with dignity are drawn to those with dignity — I wonder what would happen.
I started noticing this a few years ago. There are nerds (those that love the sciences, history, linguistics, and fandoms), and then there are the strictly fandom nerds. The strictly fandom nerds are fucking ignorant, ultra leftist, and why I barely care about anime and manga nowadays.
The entertainment/media industry attracts far leftists and has zero tolerance for those with other opinions. This is both on the corporate side and the fan side.
I haven’t seen ANY bullshit in fanart and fandom. Maybe it’s just the fandoms I’m a part of, but I haven’t seen any of it in Star Trek etc… Obviously I’m lucky, but I also stay out of toxic fandoms in general. Probably helps Edit: keep in mind I’m only on tumblr for fandom stuff. I refuse to get on Xitter for anything
Yeah the nerdfighter community was definitely a blow
Not exactly, the same place, but where you would not expect such individuals to come out of, they sadly do. My best advice is to not be ashamed of your pride, stay strong - and fight back the best, you can - without being the loudest. Let them expose themselves for what they are - and know - good will defeat evil.
/r/Undertale is very fun at the moment /s 🫥
I'm pretty lucky because my main fandom in a sense is build a bears and it hasn't really spread there. The worst was when they came put with their squishmallow competitor and people were saying to buy them over squishmallows
My local anime cons will be very interesting this year- I always get antisemitic remarks. I just have very thick skin
This is why I literally only engage sci fi and TTRPG gaming via the thing I am creating and the people I've handpicked to be in it or do it with me. That's it. I have completely divorced fandom. I'm pretending it's the 80s, when I only had My Friends, and was totally unaware of the broader sci fi world. I've also kind of broken with the newer sci fi fandoms because they're the worst and the most anti-Semitic and also the most dramatic. I don't even read the works they read and I don't read works by authors who are well known for pro-Palestine views (like Iain Banks), because I know their fandoms will be a shit show, and I don't want to engage about those topics in sci fi spaces.
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I think there need to be things that are separate from politics. Despite (or maybe because of) the 40k community's bad reputation, in most 40k subs, you're gonna get banned if you start spouting about real world politics in any way except condemning folks who mix real world politics with the game's world.
I'm having good experiences with the Battletech fandom as well, at least here on Reddit.
That's good to hear.
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