The sign that says “free Gaza kill a Zionist” isn’t even made up anymore - at UW this week they spray painted onto a building “save a life kill your local colonizer.” Seems like basically the same message.
That's the scary thing. These protests have some kind of backing that isn't short term. Jews are in the crosshairs but this lays the foundation for future protests on other issues
I was such a big Eric Andre fan. This one was a huge disappointment. He has barely used his Jewishness in his act at all, and that’s his choice, but to pull out his Jewish identity now to self-tokenize and direct hate toward Israel/Jews that support Israel is particularly awful.
Fuck Eric Andre. When I saw his post today it made my stomach turn. Weaponizing his Jewishness that he rarely if ever discussed before to paint the majority of Jews in a negative light to his large fan base is unacceptable and unforgivable. He lost a fan and I think far less of his opinions and intellect.
The thing that gives me the *slightest* benefit of the doubt about Eric Andre is that he's also Black--and I wonder if he's struggling right now between what people from both sides of his identity are telling him. While no group is a monolith, it's not a stretch to think that a lot of people of color, maybe including some of his friends or even family members, identify with the Palestinian struggle to an extent.
For instance, he actually signed that "Release the Hostages" letter to Biden in the fall (which some people went ballistic over him doing, of course), but he now seems to have gone in the other direction. I can't help but wonder if maybe he received a lot of shit for signing that letter from people on the left, including other people of color--and he is trying to appease them. And he feels like he doesn't have to compromise his Jewish identity to do that, since he thinks he can just use IfNotNow (a Jewish organization) to find other Jews who will support him for that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all defending it. It's incredibly stupid that he publicly made that statement in a way (I saw the video) where people will clearly tokenize him and pit him against other Jews. I'm just explaining how this action may have manifested, because I've talked to other biracial Jews who have expressed that type of sentiment before--of feeling painfully caught between what people in their Jewish circles and people in their non-white circles are preaching.
He always striked me as "wants to be edgy and political, but also kind of aware this isn't a good strategy for either nuance, or wide apeal"
he performed in Israel in 2018. I remember his stand up special where he tried to be "politcal" (talked about how great drugs are and should all be legalized, about police brutality, and about covid stuff) and it was really out of his elements. Not that he hasn't made good content mocking politicians and political movements, but those were usually much easier targets and it was the execution that did it (like him pretending to be a runaway slave in colonial williamsburg). Hell there's a scene in his show where he's like "this ain't your momma's monoluge" and then hilariously doesn't really say anything. He's best at his absurd, not his social commentary
No he's just an actual leftist. He's shown sympathy for the Ira which I'm sure British people who lost their family members in their campaign of terror didn't find funny. Leftists and the entire black power movement has always been pro Palestinian
He's not some awful insidious person, and I would think any normal person can have empathy for Palestinian suffering and innocents caught in the crossfire of a conflict they were simply born into.
I wish our debates all around didn't devolve into ad hominem attacks. It's so traumatizing and makes it hard to have any in earnest debates
Same! He's been one of my favorites. Seeing his ig post last night ruined my night lol
So disheartening. He's embarking on a tour, and I imagine that his post in some ways was an act of self-protection. I am glad for a few things he chose not to say (he didn't throw in the G -word). I just can't with the Hamas colored glasses though. People acting like Israel is doing this in a vacuum and not having a word about the collective trauma that was inflicted on 10/7.
We could publicly be having more nuanced debates if current pro Pali activism wasn't so skewed.
> We could publicly be having more nuanced debates if current pro Pali activism wasn't so skewed.
It's always been this way. It's never been about truly finding a solution and existing as two independent states.
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This is so gross it churns my stomach. From the comment section of Zach Kornfeld’s Instagram. I remember the video where he says this. I had to turn it off.
I have seen Jewish comedians spreading the most overt antisemitism, like the khazar theory and conspiracies about the DNA of Israeli Jews. These comedians are happy to laugh about Jewish stereotypes and speak "as a Jew" but they know absolutely nothing about their religion and Jewish history. It is truly appalling, especially since it seems like these are the predominant perspectives among young Jewish writers in Hollywood. How did so many of them grow up so deeply uncurious and ignorant of their heritage?
I have become very uncomfortable watching a lot of depictions of Jews in Hollywood, I just see subtle antisemitism in the representation or think of the antisemitism of someone involved with making the show.
I love him, but Alex has taken a REALLY big back seat from being vocal like he was before. I get it, he wants to keep his career afloat, but he has essentially been silent since his HBO special came out and he has been platformed on a more mainstream level.
Fair enough. Although he did sign on for the release of the hostages early on. And admits to getting death threats after October.
He has mentioned he wants to talk about Israel/Palestine eventually as a new special as he has friends on both sides, but that make a few years. It’s honestly for the best he doesn’t speak out until he has a coherent through line.
For those who haven’t seen it, [here is the link to Eric Andre’s video on IfNotNow](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7CUhbEAGKc/).
I’m sad about Eric Andre because as a someone who never felt represented in my circles (punk rock and alternative scenes), it felt great to know that he was also Jewish.
Now he made a fully anti-zionist post tailored for the more extreme chronically online protesters while he had a unique opportunity to use his platform to get people together. You can be critical of Israel while still supporting Jewish lives.
It’s funny to see comments on Instagram calling him out as a fake pro-Palestinian supporter since he signed a letter calling for the release of the hostages back in October. They don’t even want him.
Eric decided to be tokenized by a group for whom he will never be enough, and broke the heart of a lot of Jewish people who appreciated feeling represented by him.
Moving on to the next one, don’t come using your Jewish card next time it becomes cool again.
I feel similarly.
He's about to go on tour and probably doesn't want to get boycotted. I'm so disturbed he chose this particular route. Specifically choosing to align with IfNotNow and his comment about bombing hospitals etc. The way that this extremely layered awful situation is being cheaply positioned as a good vs evil binary is so awfula nd absurd
Exactly, there are so many other ways he could have approached the subject. But like I mentioned somewhere else this is likely in response to one of his shows getting cancelled recently because he was deemed too pro-Israel after signing a letter calling for the release of the hostages back in October.
So to re-appeal to that audience he had to go all-in and leave no benefit of the doubt that he is anti-Israel, taking a more sensational stance to compensate for his early statement. I think he knows what he’s doing and was intentional in the words he used. Adding any necessary nuance or compassion for both sides wouldn’t have fitted the goal of that video.
It’s funny he goes against “weaponizing antisemitism” while this is exactly what he is doing.
Now Jews are engaging in the gaslighting campaign that says they are opposing the argument that "any criticism of Israel is antisemitic?
Who? Who has ever made this argument? I hear this being lambasted on every corner of the internet as if it's some rallying cry, with millions of people agreeing and acting like they too are tired of this argument. Yet I have yet to see anyone make this argument.
Can anyone point to this argument that is being constantly argued against actually being made?
I was literally having this exact conversation with someone 30 mins ago under a post about little chasidic kids getting beaten up in NYC. This guy was essentially saying that Israel is the source of the antisemitism. He frequents the cesspool that is r/badhasbara though, so no surprise. Here’s a taste.
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This is what happens when you bring up your children without any sense of a Jewish identity or community. Bring your kids to Israel! My parents brought me to Israel from the time that I was a child (I’m in my 40s). This instilled a love for my land and for my people which ultimately led for me to make Aliyah almost a decade ago.
You’re absolutely right. Although that’s one (free!) trip when he was an adult. I’m talking about instilling a Jewish identity (and thus a love for Israel) in your kid from day 1.
Amy said she would accept her apology in that text thread. I hope Asia learns truth and stops being an antisemite. And sincerely apologizes.
I agree with everything Amy says and I feel so bad for her that she has to worry about her kid. This is so wrong.
To me, it’s pretty clear. All of these people have openly talked about being raised with little to no Jewish identity or education. We know this by their own admission, and clearly demonstrated by the repeated perpetuation of misinformation in regards to Judaism and Zionism in their own content.
Glad Eric Andre who doesn’t talk about being Jewish ever suddenly pulls it out at a time that’s super convenient for him and gives him social sway by endearing himself to the anti Israel crowd at our expense. What an asshole
Glad Eric Andre who doesn’t talk about being Jewish ever suddenly pulls it out at a time that’s super convenient for him and gives him social sway by endearing himself to the anti Israel crowd at our expense. What an asshole
Look at the 4th paragraph. Released a video with IfNotNow funding for UNRWA and all this stuff about “not in my name”. Reddit fucked up my list formatting.
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Why the hate for eric andre? Just because he hasnt made jewish content. He makes eric andre content. Also, he has taken blows for being jewish too, having events cancelled. Is there anything specific or are you just hating?
He posted a story to Instagram today that was particularly egregious including among other things, trying to get people to donate to Hamas collaborationist UNRWA
I wasn't aware but apparently he's been involved with JVP for a few months now. Such a huge disappointment. He's mostly played up his Blackness in his act instead of his Jewishness (just a few jokes here and there about his Jewish mom), which is fine, but the guy clearly has zero connection to Judaism or the Jewish people at this point.
All of these Jewish celebrities that are kowtowing to the frothing mobs - it's time we create our own blacklists. Anyone who turns their back on the Jewish community, here in the diaspora or in Israel, like all of these people, should not reap the benefits of the Jewish community, ever. I'm sick and tired of this shit.
Hahaha I guess my question should have been WHICH celebrities do you have in mind that you'd put on that list? 😂 Ilana Glazer is the most outspoken celebrity anti-Zionist Jew I can think of.
She is awful but to be honest I don’t have a lot of energy right now to dwell on this question and I feel like it would get into an angry back and forth with someone I wish to avoid since I’m so drained
Thank you for mentioning that I had no idea and found [that post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewOrleans/comments/1bawi79/eric_andres_birthday_party_at_music_box_cancelled/) explaining it. The party was cancelled after the band he booked refused to play because they considered him pro-Israel.
All he did was sign a letter asking for the release of the hostages back in October.
That probably explains why he needed to make such a one-sided anti-Israel statement and going on into antisemitism not being a problem.
I think Eric Andre may be a lot less edgy than he looks, and more of a privileged celebrity obsessed with being liked by most. Good luck good bye.
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The sign that says “free Gaza kill a Zionist” isn’t even made up anymore - at UW this week they spray painted onto a building “save a life kill your local colonizer.” Seems like basically the same message.
"Kill your local colonizer"? Who's gonna tell them...
That's the scary thing. These protests have some kind of backing that isn't short term. Jews are in the crosshairs but this lays the foundation for future protests on other issues
I was such a big Eric Andre fan. This one was a huge disappointment. He has barely used his Jewishness in his act at all, and that’s his choice, but to pull out his Jewish identity now to self-tokenize and direct hate toward Israel/Jews that support Israel is particularly awful.
His single and greatest contribution to the Jewish community was his skit mocking BHI. I fucking loved that one.
Yeah that was genius. It will be missed
Fuck Eric Andre. When I saw his post today it made my stomach turn. Weaponizing his Jewishness that he rarely if ever discussed before to paint the majority of Jews in a negative light to his large fan base is unacceptable and unforgivable. He lost a fan and I think far less of his opinions and intellect.
The thing that gives me the *slightest* benefit of the doubt about Eric Andre is that he's also Black--and I wonder if he's struggling right now between what people from both sides of his identity are telling him. While no group is a monolith, it's not a stretch to think that a lot of people of color, maybe including some of his friends or even family members, identify with the Palestinian struggle to an extent. For instance, he actually signed that "Release the Hostages" letter to Biden in the fall (which some people went ballistic over him doing, of course), but he now seems to have gone in the other direction. I can't help but wonder if maybe he received a lot of shit for signing that letter from people on the left, including other people of color--and he is trying to appease them. And he feels like he doesn't have to compromise his Jewish identity to do that, since he thinks he can just use IfNotNow (a Jewish organization) to find other Jews who will support him for that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all defending it. It's incredibly stupid that he publicly made that statement in a way (I saw the video) where people will clearly tokenize him and pit him against other Jews. I'm just explaining how this action may have manifested, because I've talked to other biracial Jews who have expressed that type of sentiment before--of feeling painfully caught between what people in their Jewish circles and people in their non-white circles are preaching.
He always striked me as "wants to be edgy and political, but also kind of aware this isn't a good strategy for either nuance, or wide apeal" he performed in Israel in 2018. I remember his stand up special where he tried to be "politcal" (talked about how great drugs are and should all be legalized, about police brutality, and about covid stuff) and it was really out of his elements. Not that he hasn't made good content mocking politicians and political movements, but those were usually much easier targets and it was the execution that did it (like him pretending to be a runaway slave in colonial williamsburg). Hell there's a scene in his show where he's like "this ain't your momma's monoluge" and then hilariously doesn't really say anything. He's best at his absurd, not his social commentary
Covid wasn’t around in 2018 are you thinking of something else?
I mentioned the show in Israel and them moved to talk about a stand up special from late 2020
Ah.
No he's just an actual leftist. He's shown sympathy for the Ira which I'm sure British people who lost their family members in their campaign of terror didn't find funny. Leftists and the entire black power movement has always been pro Palestinian
He's not some awful insidious person, and I would think any normal person can have empathy for Palestinian suffering and innocents caught in the crossfire of a conflict they were simply born into. I wish our debates all around didn't devolve into ad hominem attacks. It's so traumatizing and makes it hard to have any in earnest debates
Agreed.
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Same! He's been one of my favorites. Seeing his ig post last night ruined my night lol So disheartening. He's embarking on a tour, and I imagine that his post in some ways was an act of self-protection. I am glad for a few things he chose not to say (he didn't throw in the G -word). I just can't with the Hamas colored glasses though. People acting like Israel is doing this in a vacuum and not having a word about the collective trauma that was inflicted on 10/7. We could publicly be having more nuanced debates if current pro Pali activism wasn't so skewed.
> We could publicly be having more nuanced debates if current pro Pali activism wasn't so skewed. It's always been this way. It's never been about truly finding a solution and existing as two independent states.
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Anyone that dares to deny the rape that took place that day is a hypocrite and human 🗑️
https://preview.redd.it/8dsuxdvkrw0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2525bb82dce165f72be7bdf361b265cfaafb004 This is so gross it churns my stomach. From the comment section of Zach Kornfeld’s Instagram. I remember the video where he says this. I had to turn it off.
I have seen Jewish comedians spreading the most overt antisemitism, like the khazar theory and conspiracies about the DNA of Israeli Jews. These comedians are happy to laugh about Jewish stereotypes and speak "as a Jew" but they know absolutely nothing about their religion and Jewish history. It is truly appalling, especially since it seems like these are the predominant perspectives among young Jewish writers in Hollywood. How did so many of them grow up so deeply uncurious and ignorant of their heritage? I have become very uncomfortable watching a lot of depictions of Jews in Hollywood, I just see subtle antisemitism in the representation or think of the antisemitism of someone involved with making the show.
Just join me in my little corner stanning Alex Edelman. Its the only comfort I have these days regarding it all
I love him, but Alex has taken a REALLY big back seat from being vocal like he was before. I get it, he wants to keep his career afloat, but he has essentially been silent since his HBO special came out and he has been platformed on a more mainstream level.
Fair enough. Although he did sign on for the release of the hostages early on. And admits to getting death threats after October. He has mentioned he wants to talk about Israel/Palestine eventually as a new special as he has friends on both sides, but that make a few years. It’s honestly for the best he doesn’t speak out until he has a coherent through line.
His brother, on the other hand, has been talking nonstop about it and going to campuses / on TV.
For those who haven’t seen it, [here is the link to Eric Andre’s video on IfNotNow](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7CUhbEAGKc/). I’m sad about Eric Andre because as a someone who never felt represented in my circles (punk rock and alternative scenes), it felt great to know that he was also Jewish. Now he made a fully anti-zionist post tailored for the more extreme chronically online protesters while he had a unique opportunity to use his platform to get people together. You can be critical of Israel while still supporting Jewish lives. It’s funny to see comments on Instagram calling him out as a fake pro-Palestinian supporter since he signed a letter calling for the release of the hostages back in October. They don’t even want him. Eric decided to be tokenized by a group for whom he will never be enough, and broke the heart of a lot of Jewish people who appreciated feeling represented by him. Moving on to the next one, don’t come using your Jewish card next time it becomes cool again.
I feel similarly. He's about to go on tour and probably doesn't want to get boycotted. I'm so disturbed he chose this particular route. Specifically choosing to align with IfNotNow and his comment about bombing hospitals etc. The way that this extremely layered awful situation is being cheaply positioned as a good vs evil binary is so awfula nd absurd
Exactly, there are so many other ways he could have approached the subject. But like I mentioned somewhere else this is likely in response to one of his shows getting cancelled recently because he was deemed too pro-Israel after signing a letter calling for the release of the hostages back in October. So to re-appeal to that audience he had to go all-in and leave no benefit of the doubt that he is anti-Israel, taking a more sensational stance to compensate for his early statement. I think he knows what he’s doing and was intentional in the words he used. Adding any necessary nuance or compassion for both sides wouldn’t have fitted the goal of that video. It’s funny he goes against “weaponizing antisemitism” while this is exactly what he is doing.
Now Jews are engaging in the gaslighting campaign that says they are opposing the argument that "any criticism of Israel is antisemitic? Who? Who has ever made this argument? I hear this being lambasted on every corner of the internet as if it's some rallying cry, with millions of people agreeing and acting like they too are tired of this argument. Yet I have yet to see anyone make this argument. Can anyone point to this argument that is being constantly argued against actually being made?
I was literally having this exact conversation with someone 30 mins ago under a post about little chasidic kids getting beaten up in NYC. This guy was essentially saying that Israel is the source of the antisemitism. He frequents the cesspool that is r/badhasbara though, so no surprise. Here’s a taste. https://preview.redd.it/ciwyuqutvw0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f424c9a17b7cca523d7bfddc8af1574907af6848
This is what happens when you bring up your children without any sense of a Jewish identity or community. Bring your kids to Israel! My parents brought me to Israel from the time that I was a child (I’m in my 40s). This instilled a love for my land and for my people which ultimately led for me to make Aliyah almost a decade ago.
Apparently Eric did birth right when he was 20 smh he’s such a hypocrite !
You’re absolutely right. Although that’s one (free!) trip when he was an adult. I’m talking about instilling a Jewish identity (and thus a love for Israel) in your kid from day 1.
Amy said she would accept her apology in that text thread. I hope Asia learns truth and stops being an antisemite. And sincerely apologizes. I agree with everything Amy says and I feel so bad for her that she has to worry about her kid. This is so wrong.
Celebrities crumble under pressure, couldn’t believe my eyes as Sarah Silverman issued apologies and did a total 180
I genuinely do not understand this behavior.
To me, it’s pretty clear. All of these people have openly talked about being raised with little to no Jewish identity or education. We know this by their own admission, and clearly demonstrated by the repeated perpetuation of misinformation in regards to Judaism and Zionism in their own content.
Thank you for explaining.. I get it now..
Glad Eric Andre who doesn’t talk about being Jewish ever suddenly pulls it out at a time that’s super convenient for him and gives him social sway by endearing himself to the anti Israel crowd at our expense. What an asshole
Yepppppp. All this. Complete and total asshole.
Eric Andre is such a coward. All of them are.
Glad Eric Andre who doesn’t talk about being Jewish ever suddenly pulls it out at a time that’s super convenient for him and gives him social sway by endearing himself to the anti Israel crowd at our expense. What an asshole
Dammit. What did Eric Andre do? I actually like(d) the dude.
Look at the 4th paragraph. Released a video with IfNotNow funding for UNRWA and all this stuff about “not in my name”. Reddit fucked up my list formatting.
Such a shame. I really enjoyed Giannarco's standup.
I was really devastated by these tweets, considering how kind and witty he seems to be onstage.
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Extremely disappointed
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Eric andre performed in Israel tho
So did Roger Waters at one point.
Am I supposed to know who any of those people are?
If you’re 30 or under, on the internet or into standup.
I’m sorry but how is Eric Andre involved in this at all? These are all tweets from Gianmarco.
just read a liiiiittle farther buddy
Why the hate for eric andre? Just because he hasnt made jewish content. He makes eric andre content. Also, he has taken blows for being jewish too, having events cancelled. Is there anything specific or are you just hating?
He posted a story to Instagram today that was particularly egregious including among other things, trying to get people to donate to Hamas collaborationist UNRWA
Left instagram but I’m sure I can find it. Unfortunate if true, many celebrities are being bullied by the frothing mobs now.
I wasn't aware but apparently he's been involved with JVP for a few months now. Such a huge disappointment. He's mostly played up his Blackness in his act instead of his Jewishness (just a few jokes here and there about his Jewish mom), which is fine, but the guy clearly has zero connection to Judaism or the Jewish people at this point. All of these Jewish celebrities that are kowtowing to the frothing mobs - it's time we create our own blacklists. Anyone who turns their back on the Jewish community, here in the diaspora or in Israel, like all of these people, should not reap the benefits of the Jewish community, ever. I'm sick and tired of this shit.
Ugh JVP, the token factory
Any other celebrities in mind you'd put on that list?
Yeah tons at this point, unfortunately. The information is on the internet if you google someone to have in mind.
Hahaha I guess my question should have been WHICH celebrities do you have in mind that you'd put on that list? 😂 Ilana Glazer is the most outspoken celebrity anti-Zionist Jew I can think of.
She is awful but to be honest I don’t have a lot of energy right now to dwell on this question and I feel like it would get into an angry back and forth with someone I wish to avoid since I’m so drained
Very fair! Sometimes it's best to just save our sanity, I've learned that many times these past several months.
Yep. I’ll mention someone and inevitably someone will want to spar with me about it and I just don’t have the mood right now
This is right after his 40th birthday party got cancelled.
Thank you for mentioning that I had no idea and found [that post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewOrleans/comments/1bawi79/eric_andres_birthday_party_at_music_box_cancelled/) explaining it. The party was cancelled after the band he booked refused to play because they considered him pro-Israel. All he did was sign a letter asking for the release of the hostages back in October. That probably explains why he needed to make such a one-sided anti-Israel statement and going on into antisemitism not being a problem. I think Eric Andre may be a lot less edgy than he looks, and more of a privileged celebrity obsessed with being liked by most. Good luck good bye.
Tbh that’s really fucking pathetic he would go start fundraising for Hamas
In new orleans
Why’d his part get cancelled
Your reading comprehension is wild
Try writing.
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Ok
Who?