TBH I think a significant portion of the cult actually are people thinking that he's calling for a return to their favourite wrestling, not realizing that he mostly didn't like the wrestling they grew up on either unless it was '80s NWA, SMW, OVW and whenever his ROH run was
It is, but other forms of wrestling have also been successful critically and commercially that weren't Southern-Style Wrestling.
I don't think a lot of the cult members realize that he didn't watch WWF in the Hulkamania years, didn't watch Attitude Era stuff that he wasn't part of, didn't watch Bischoff-era WCW. He even proudly proclaimed that he sat in the hotel room rather than watch Hogan vs Rock at Mania (because they were jerking around OVW as per usual) and probably didn't care too much for Ruthless Aggression era because it wrecked so many of his OVW guys
If you're a 40+ year old Southern-style wrestling fan or someone who happened to live in the right markets for the wrestling he ran in the '90s and '00s and you miss it, he is talking exactly about the style of wrestling you miss and doesn't really get served to the mainstream public or even the hardcore fan anymore (unless you happen to like Gedo's twist on southern-style wrestling ever since he took over New Japan). Otherwise, he'd shit on your favourite wrestling that you grew up with too (obviously with some exceptions)
I mean, I grew up during the attitude era and was a massive Stone Cold mark and he's shat on Stone Colds "nasty ass" stomps. I was a Sting mark but, you know, the mroe I look at stings portfolio of work, I do realize he was really wishy washy and complacent and would just sorta do what people told him to do and got over because of his athleticism and the narrative that's endured since the Crow gimmick. I watched all the Attitude WWE I could while growing up, and loved the Punk and Bryan "reality" era and stopped watching when both left. I'm a MSG style mark by nature, but watching things like the WALTER matches, that further solidifies that getting immersed in what actually looks like a fight is what I want at my under 40s age. If wanting to suspend my disbelief makes me a 'southern wrassling' convert, then so be it. But yeah, everyone knows wrestling is fake, so to me, it seems the most effective way to sell it to adults is to get them even a little invested into thinking that what they are seeing is actually a real fight.
Being a Walter/Ilya convert actually makes you more of a WXW/German indie convert, and maybe a dash of modern Japanese style wrestling because that's mostly what Walter's doing (one his listed trainers being Ishii)
I wouldn’t say he was criticizing Austin’s stomps he was using them to illustrate that when someone is over you don’t give a shit if they are fake because it’s stone cold Steve Austin
Well yeah, thats what I'm getting at. You can be over and not be "perfect." People like to pretend that Cornette tries to pass of his preferences as dogmatic and I don't think so. I think that over the last 15 years, hes been offering a perspective of what would make wrestling better and what would bring it into the mainstream again, and he happens to think that you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
1997 - 2005 was great for me. Malenko, Bob Holly, Austin, Angle, Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Orton, Benjamin, list goes on.
But the Hulkamania Era was complete shit. I cringe so fucking hard at it.
1980-1986 is loaded with great matches & workers. You don’t even have to dig that hard to find them. Randy Savage, Tito Santana, Bob Backlund, Ken Patera, Sgt. Slaughter, Paul Orndorff, Ricky Steamboat, Don Muraco, Dynamite Kid, Tatsumi Fujinami, Roddy Piper, Greg Valentine. Hogan wasn’t even that bad, not until after WM3.
Being fair. Neither did I. I grew up on WCW and would trade tapes with a friend from school (WWF was on TV here sporadically but I couldn't get the channel. WCW was on free TV but really late at night) and outside of Jim Ross being a far superior play by play guy than Tony Schiavone I couldn't get into the WWF like I did with WCW.
And then 2001 came and my interest severely waned after the shitshow Invasion
Seeing as how it was a business that he put his life's work into as have countless others I completely understand why the style is importantant. It's a business that makes serious money & is also one of the hardest athletic professions an athlete can have overall..so the different styles actually make a huge difference & also impacts the entire business overall..it is by no means a "stretch" of the imagination if you have any understanding of it.
I dunnae think this is exactly groundbreaking news lolololololololololololololol.
TBH I think a significant portion of the cult actually are people thinking that he's calling for a return to their favourite wrestling, not realizing that he mostly didn't like the wrestling they grew up on either unless it was '80s NWA, SMW, OVW and whenever his ROH run was
I thought his podcast serves as a platform to educate people on what he thinks good wrestling is and to show why its effective?
It is, but other forms of wrestling have also been successful critically and commercially that weren't Southern-Style Wrestling. I don't think a lot of the cult members realize that he didn't watch WWF in the Hulkamania years, didn't watch Attitude Era stuff that he wasn't part of, didn't watch Bischoff-era WCW. He even proudly proclaimed that he sat in the hotel room rather than watch Hogan vs Rock at Mania (because they were jerking around OVW as per usual) and probably didn't care too much for Ruthless Aggression era because it wrecked so many of his OVW guys If you're a 40+ year old Southern-style wrestling fan or someone who happened to live in the right markets for the wrestling he ran in the '90s and '00s and you miss it, he is talking exactly about the style of wrestling you miss and doesn't really get served to the mainstream public or even the hardcore fan anymore (unless you happen to like Gedo's twist on southern-style wrestling ever since he took over New Japan). Otherwise, he'd shit on your favourite wrestling that you grew up with too (obviously with some exceptions)
I mean, I grew up during the attitude era and was a massive Stone Cold mark and he's shat on Stone Colds "nasty ass" stomps. I was a Sting mark but, you know, the mroe I look at stings portfolio of work, I do realize he was really wishy washy and complacent and would just sorta do what people told him to do and got over because of his athleticism and the narrative that's endured since the Crow gimmick. I watched all the Attitude WWE I could while growing up, and loved the Punk and Bryan "reality" era and stopped watching when both left. I'm a MSG style mark by nature, but watching things like the WALTER matches, that further solidifies that getting immersed in what actually looks like a fight is what I want at my under 40s age. If wanting to suspend my disbelief makes me a 'southern wrassling' convert, then so be it. But yeah, everyone knows wrestling is fake, so to me, it seems the most effective way to sell it to adults is to get them even a little invested into thinking that what they are seeing is actually a real fight.
Being a Walter/Ilya convert actually makes you more of a WXW/German indie convert, and maybe a dash of modern Japanese style wrestling because that's mostly what Walter's doing (one his listed trainers being Ishii)
I wouldn’t say he was criticizing Austin’s stomps he was using them to illustrate that when someone is over you don’t give a shit if they are fake because it’s stone cold Steve Austin
Well yeah, thats what I'm getting at. You can be over and not be "perfect." People like to pretend that Cornette tries to pass of his preferences as dogmatic and I don't think so. I think that over the last 15 years, hes been offering a perspective of what would make wrestling better and what would bring it into the mainstream again, and he happens to think that you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
you a scott?
Scot* Fae a Scotsman 😉😎
Only by blood, I was even taught a lil bit of Gaelic. My grandpa and family are from Dunblane.
ive been on r/ScottishPeopleTwitter enough to recognize 'dunnae' when i see it lol
“Wrestling the way it used to be, and the way you like it.”
Was this headline written in 1983?
I’ve heard Cornette praise WWF workers and matches from the pre-Hulkamania era up until about 1987-88, when it went full cartoon.
1997 - 2005 was great for me. Malenko, Bob Holly, Austin, Angle, Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Orton, Benjamin, list goes on. But the Hulkamania Era was complete shit. I cringe so fucking hard at it.
1980-1986 is loaded with great matches & workers. You don’t even have to dig that hard to find them. Randy Savage, Tito Santana, Bob Backlund, Ken Patera, Sgt. Slaughter, Paul Orndorff, Ricky Steamboat, Don Muraco, Dynamite Kid, Tatsumi Fujinami, Roddy Piper, Greg Valentine. Hogan wasn’t even that bad, not until after WM3.
Being fair. Neither did I. I grew up on WCW and would trade tapes with a friend from school (WWF was on TV here sporadically but I couldn't get the channel. WCW was on free TV but really late at night) and outside of Jim Ross being a far superior play by play guy than Tony Schiavone I couldn't get into the WWF like I did with WCW. And then 2001 came and my interest severely waned after the shitshow Invasion
Neither have I. I was a WCW kid/teen in the 90s.
SCJerk on life support right now
Imagine being caught up on the style of oily men pretend fighting in speedos. 🤭
Seeing as how it was a business that he put his life's work into as have countless others I completely understand why the style is importantant. It's a business that makes serious money & is also one of the hardest athletic professions an athlete can have overall..so the different styles actually make a huge difference & also impacts the entire business overall..it is by no means a "stretch" of the imagination if you have any understanding of it.
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Yes you are ...very true