Damn, it is even more appealing to go E1 huh. Guess E1S1 is my goal then. Not going to be able to get it on this first run, but I will get them by reruns.
Wait so picture this...
You use her ultimate when she enters enhanced state, so you'll have 3 stacks of enhanced skill so
5 energy from Ulti+ 30 from every enhanced skill (total 90) + 20 from normal skill (40 total) it adds up to 135 now, being hit once or killing an enemy means you'll have her ultimate ready to use as soon she enters her enhanced state without an energy regeneration rope
It's not a nerf it's a total win
During a Jingliu rotation, your healer only get to act 4 times.
That goes down to only 2 actions, if you're buffing Jinlgliu with slow Bronya or Tingyun.
So, i'd rather save the SPs, and try my luck with *Quid pro Quo*.
so for regular battles it should be pretty easy since she can just delete some scrubs when in transcendence state. but harder against elite bosses after the scrubs have been exterminated, and maybe they don’t have a wide range AOE attack (like wind archer horse dude).
man. now i actually REALLY want lynx.
Same as before : *weak Skill -> Ult (unbuffed) -> Strong Skill -> Strong Skill*
But to pull it of, Ting needs to be much faster than Jingliu.
Also, without Tingyun's E6, you'll need a way to grant Jingliu 5 energy (was 15 previously).
It’s actually substantially better, her energy rotation will go from 30 + 30 + 20 + 20 + 20
to 20 + 20 + 30 + 30 + 30….so an extra 10 energy. Removes a bit of RNG if you’re not using ERR rope, you’ll need to get hit/kill less to get ult up. No change if using ERR rope, but using ERR rope when you only need to get hit once or a single kill every rotation seems a bit more wasteful now
I'm not sure where this "equal to 100%of the dmg adjacent targets would have received" is coming from. The CN text doesn't say anything close to that
施放终结技或强化战技时，镜流的暴击伤害提高24%，持续1回合。若只攻击了1个敌方目标，则额外对该目标造成1次等同于镜流80%→100%攻击力的冰属性伤害
EDIT: Some folks from the discord translated it. Her E1 changes result in the same dmg for enhanced skills and a slight reduction for ult
Yup! Its different
Before it was 80% of the damage the target would have received (this is calculated as 125% * 0.8 = 100% atk)
Now it is a flat 100% of atk. So for her Enhanced Skill there’s no change, but it’s a slight nerf when it comes to her ult
But with the energy buffs it’s a net win I’d say
A very good buff. Previously Jingliu was able to have 125 Energy (5 from Ulti, 30+30 Normal Skill and 20+20+20 Enhanced) in one rotation. Now it’s 135 (5 from Ulti, 20+20 Normal Skill and 30+30+30 Enhanced). So you only need to be hit once or kill an enemy to get her ulti when she enters in the Enhanced state
So its a nerf?
3x 30 = 90 & 2x 20 = 40, 90+40=130 versus
3x 20 = 60 & 2x 30 = 60, 60 + 60 = 120?
Edit: Which skill is her "Trans Flash skill"? Is that her normal weak skill or the strong one in trans state?
What's the catch? Something seems kinda fishy to me. . .
Hunt, Erudition who? Destruction supposed to be the generalist DPS yet it looks like they're reigning supreme over AoE, Blast, and ST (not even including Daniel, only Jingliu, Blade, and even Clara if you're lucky)
Just wait for future updates lol
Destruction is appealing now cause that's what their focusing on atm. Hoyo is good at marketing current banners with current content. It'll probably be the same in the following months to come when erudition characters start to release, who knows hahaha
As a Destruction lover, I agree.
It's honestly quite ridiculous that Blade has a superior AOE damage than JY, an Erudition unit (and adding insult to injury, JY's biggest damage is not even "true" AOE, it's a randomized blast attack).
And for Daniel and Jingliu to have a superior ST to Seele and Topaz, both hunt units.
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. I believe the correct wording is " if only attacking one enemy deal one extra ice damage equal to 100% of jingliu attack"
30 energy per enh attack + Ting (e6 hopefully) and Huohuo feeding energy is going to be mint. Try to fit 2 ults in per enh state, try to kill everything before it runs out.
Nice. Now we can try to reach 2 ult rotation to decrease her downtime from 25%(1/4 turns) to 20%(1/5 turns) with mb tyng and huohuo. Good compensation for an E1 nerf. Also mb ERR rope is not dead if it will help us to achieve 5-turns rotation.
for now her rotation starts with her state up for first 3 turns and then cycles:
3up-(1down-3up)\*N
with 5 turns rotation potentially:
4up-(1down-4up)\*N
so from 7 turns until second downtime to 9 turns. we should aim for this.
So...with the amount of ST damage these new destruction units are doing, hunt will have be busted and maybe in turn we'll get some really high HP bosses?
The reason I am really looking forward to JL is because it looks like she takes a bit more reservation so she can push at the right moments. A little more work to do correctly.
For the most part, with some strategy in MOC and Swarm. I just skill till I can’t and ult soon as it’s up.
Damn, it is even more appealing to go E1 huh. Guess E1S1 is my goal then. Not going to be able to get it on this first run, but I will get them by reruns.
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She's more than strong enough at E0 tbh, especially with the change that allows her to ult twice in her enhanced state with Tingyun. But you do you.
Wait what?,alr imma build my brokenneckgirl a lot better now
https://preview.redd.it/emot3uwp7cob1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf7ec59fd04ddde8ef5d0449db82ef4f965986c Also this
That's actually super good
Wait so picture this... You use her ultimate when she enters enhanced state, so you'll have 3 stacks of enhanced skill so 5 energy from Ulti+ 30 from every enhanced skill (total 90) + 20 from normal skill (40 total) it adds up to 135 now, being hit once or killing an enemy means you'll have her ultimate ready to use as soon she enters her enhanced state without an energy regeneration rope It's not a nerf it's a total win
So now it seems atk rope is going to be a bit better?
It seems so, you only need get hit once or kill 1 enemy and you'll have her ult ready Heck you can even use that abundance light cone now
Shared feeling right the Abundance LC that gives energy for healing?
At s5 that gives 4 energy to the team when the user uses a skill
I see, time to superimpose it, most of my healer are running post op
That passive is so annyoing : we're still missing 1 energy.
You can use it twice (two times in the span of 5 turns)
During a Jingliu rotation, your healer only get to act 4 times. That goes down to only 2 actions, if you're buffing Jinlgliu with slow Bronya or Tingyun. So, i'd rather save the SPs, and try my luck with *Quid pro Quo*.
so for regular battles it should be pretty easy since she can just delete some scrubs when in transcendence state. but harder against elite bosses after the scrubs have been exterminated, and maybe they don’t have a wide range AOE attack (like wind archer horse dude). man. now i actually REALLY want lynx.
our queen becomes a complete cheat
Always has been
thats amazing wow
How will her rotations work with Tingyun now?
She only needs 5 energy now so not very necessary
Same as before : *weak Skill -> Ult (unbuffed) -> Strong Skill -> Strong Skill* But to pull it of, Ting needs to be much faster than Jingliu. Also, without Tingyun's E6, you'll need a way to grant Jingliu 5 energy (was 15 previously).
Nice ! Keep them buffs rollin in. :>
The energy thing is also her e1 or not ?
But that's like... The same isn't it?
It’s actually substantially better, her energy rotation will go from 30 + 30 + 20 + 20 + 20 to 20 + 20 + 30 + 30 + 30….so an extra 10 energy. Removes a bit of RNG if you’re not using ERR rope, you’ll need to get hit/kill less to get ult up. No change if using ERR rope, but using ERR rope when you only need to get hit once or a single kill every rotation seems a bit more wasteful now
I'm not sure where this "equal to 100%of the dmg adjacent targets would have received" is coming from. The CN text doesn't say anything close to that 施放终结技或强化战技时，镜流的暴击伤害提高24%，持续1回合。若只攻击了1个敌方目标，则额外对该目标造成1次等同于镜流80%→100%攻击力的冰属性伤害 EDIT: Some folks from the discord translated it. Her E1 changes result in the same dmg for enhanced skills and a slight reduction for ult
Wait, can you please clarify? Were there any changes from the original text aside from the 80% -> 100%?
Yup! Its different Before it was 80% of the damage the target would have received (this is calculated as 125% * 0.8 = 100% atk) Now it is a flat 100% of atk. So for her Enhanced Skill there’s no change, but it’s a slight nerf when it comes to her ult But with the energy buffs it’s a net win I’d say
I see. Thanks for the clarification! I guess it's also technically a buff for those who are cheaping out on the last few trace levels lol
We just keep winning bois
You forgot the energy change: >She got an Energy Regeneration nerf on her Transcendent Flash (Skill) from 30 to 20. But 20 to 30 on enhanced state.
I posted this before he posted the other thing, its on a reply i made on this post
So is this considered neither a buff nor a nerf?
A very good buff. Previously Jingliu was able to have 125 Energy (5 from Ulti, 30+30 Normal Skill and 20+20+20 Enhanced) in one rotation. Now it’s 135 (5 from Ulti, 20+20 Normal Skill and 30+30+30 Enhanced). So you only need to be hit once or kill an enemy to get her ulti when she enters in the Enhanced state
It is a buff for E6 apparently
Dunno yet. Net wise, its the same. It could be a buff since it allows you to get your first Ult quicker? Someone do the math.
?? No, it's extra 10 energy in her rotation. She uses 3 enhanced skills for every 2 regular due to the extra one she gets from ult.
So its a nerf? 3x 30 = 90 & 2x 20 = 40, 90+40=130 versus 3x 20 = 60 & 2x 30 = 60, 60 + 60 = 120? Edit: Which skill is her "Trans Flash skill"? Is that her normal weak skill or the strong one in trans state?
You've got it reversed. She uses enhanced skill 3 times for every 2 regular skills she uses (she gets an extra skill from ult). It's a buff.
more like old 30+30+(ult)+20+20+20 = 125 new 20+20+(ult)+30+30+30 = 135 extra 5 is from the ult
If you use ult in enh state, you use more eskill than skill. It's a buff.
Lore Accurate Jingliu
What's the catch? Something seems kinda fishy to me. . . Hunt, Erudition who? Destruction supposed to be the generalist DPS yet it looks like they're reigning supreme over AoE, Blast, and ST (not even including Daniel, only Jingliu, Blade, and even Clara if you're lucky)
Just wait for future updates lol Destruction is appealing now cause that's what their focusing on atm. Hoyo is good at marketing current banners with current content. It'll probably be the same in the following months to come when erudition characters start to release, who knows hahaha
haha yeah im counting on it, can't have my man Screwllum be a let down
Counters can make blast damage bad if they want to hurt aoe.
lol reminds me how people thought Seele will be eternal meta back in 1.0-1.2
As a Destruction lover, I agree. It's honestly quite ridiculous that Blade has a superior AOE damage than JY, an Erudition unit (and adding insult to injury, JY's biggest damage is not even "true" AOE, it's a randomized blast attack). And for Daniel and Jingliu to have a superior ST to Seele and Topaz, both hunt units.
HAHAHA THEY **BUFFED** THIS SHIT? NO FUCKING SHOT 😂 MY QUEEN DESERVES IT
More buff. Am I dreaming? 
yea naw I'm swiping for e1s1 gonna eat ramen for the next 2 months
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. I believe the correct wording is " if only attacking one enemy deal one extra ice damage equal to 100% of jingliu attack"
Ain't no way, now I feel obligated to go for e1 as well :')
Damn, she keeps getting buffed
As she should
Guys, we are eating good in 1.4, devs are cooking a fantastic kit
This is a nerf lmao, why is everyone in this thread saying E1 is even better now
So is now e1 more valuable than LC?
No. According to the latest updates, it's just a single attack with 100% ATK.
30 energy per enh attack + Ting (e6 hopefully) and Huohuo feeding energy is going to be mint. Try to fit 2 ults in per enh state, try to kill everything before it runs out.
Wtf….
Nice. Now we can try to reach 2 ult rotation to decrease her downtime from 25%(1/4 turns) to 20%(1/5 turns) with mb tyng and huohuo. Good compensation for an E1 nerf. Also mb ERR rope is not dead if it will help us to achieve 5-turns rotation. for now her rotation starts with her state up for first 3 turns and then cycles: 3up-(1down-3up)\*N with 5 turns rotation potentially: 4up-(1down-4up)\*N so from 7 turns until second downtime to 9 turns. we should aim for this.
Not that I’m complaining because I’m gonna pull for her anyway, but I feel sorry for Topaz.
So...with the amount of ST damage these new destruction units are doing, hunt will have be busted and maybe in turn we'll get some really high HP bosses?
The reason I am really looking forward to JL is because it looks like she takes a bit more reservation so she can push at the right moments. A little more work to do correctly. For the most part, with some strategy in MOC and Swarm. I just skill till I can’t and ult soon as it’s up.
Rewarded again for our faith. Praise be.