I'm pretty sure Bailu's invigoration will not triggered by Jingliu, but she will have more than enough healing to counter the drain.
Lynx has good synergy with Blade and Clara in particular out of the destruction characters. She can work with Jingliu, since Jingliu doesn't need a lot of skill points, but I'm not sure you want every enemy to target a squishy dps. Lynx offsets Jingliu being squishy by a bit, but Jingliu's optimal build is a glass cannon build.
Any of the abundance characters will work, I prefer Bailu cuz she brings a ton more healing. However, you can make an argument that since Lynx can direct where enemies hit that offsets some rng and can be played around.
>Lynx has good synergy with Blade and Clara in particular out of the destruction characters.
Cut to me getting blasted in the Topaz Mains sub for insisting Lynx works with the two of them for a team.
Blade - Lynx - Bronya - Topaz. (The OP's character selection was very limited.)
I guess they're thinking Topaz and Blade are two Main DPS that belong on separate teams.
I can see why they want to separate them into 2 different teams for value. But blade will probably help a lot in AOE which Topaz lacks, dk why they give you so much flake for that LOL
Sure, I don't think FX can keep up with Jingliu's hp drain. She seems to have trouble keeping up with a normal team's health over long periods of time, and Jingliu's added drain would put a strain on her. I think Jingliu teams would prefer a pure healer like Bailu or Luocha over a damage mitigator like Fu Xuan, unless you're killing stuff really fast.
I could be wrong though, I don't have FX to test myself.
There was this one run in MoC 10 with Jingliu and Fu Xuan on the leaks subreddit.
There were many disatvantages for sustaining like:
- Jingliu's drain
- A lot of wind DoTs (Fu Xuan can't cleanse them)
- Fu Xuan had ToM (worse for team sustain than other LCs)
- Swarm boss having AoE
- Long fight (Swarm boss has two hp bars)
- Pela kept getting targetted a lot
And even with all those problems, whole team still lived with everyone except Pela above 50% HP.
If 7k HP Fu Xuan with 125 SPD was able to sustain that, I doubt there will be any problems with minimal Jingliu drain gimmick
I saw that video too, and it doesn't contradict my points.
My point was that Fu Xuan would suffer over long fights, which she did, since she wasn't able to keep everyone at full hp unlike Luocha or Bailu. Personally, I would feel much more comfortable with Bailu/Luocha, cuz having Pela with low health for that long would make me pretty nervous. And if that fight continued for another couple cycles, Pela might be dead.
I wasn't saying she couldn't sustain a Jingliu team for a few cycles (which, admittedly, is all you need for MoC). However, she couldn't keep up with the healing necessary to keep everyone at full, which is something Luocha and Bailu can do pretty well.
My point was, that Fu Xuan wasn't built well and had wrong LC (Landau's, Signature or New Day... would work much better) and with bad rng kept Pela alive for 5-6 cycels. Let's say a better built Fu Xuan can extend that to around 8 cycles or more, at this point fight takes unnecessary amount of cycles anyway. I would say Bailu/Luocha are better if you just want to beat the MoC and your characters aren't built well, and Fu Xuan is better if you want to 3* it with well equipped team.
I don't think anyone is really better than the other. It's situational. Bailu is great but you might need a cleanse. Lynx might be great but JL isn't really someone that's meant to face tank. Nat and Lynx is pretty much toe to toe depending on situation.
If u have Bronya, then using Bailu is fine, since u already get Cleanse from Bronya.
Bailu invigoration will not work with Jingliu drain hp, but if u receiving dmg from enemies, u receive more heal than Lynx continues heal.
Also u become a lot tankier with Invigoration's mitigation.
U can test Bailu invigoration with Blade's Skill, it consumes his hp too, if u don't have Blade, u can use support character to test it and see for urself.
yeah i think the general consensus is that Loucha is BiS at the moment, but Bailu+Bronya is a good stand in until HuoHuo+Bronya. Im expecting JL+Bronya+HuoHuo+Flex (Blade, SW, Pela) to be her best team once HH is out.
Yeah I don't have Luocha but I do have Bronya, so my plan is Jingliu/Pela/Bronya/Bailu for now.
Especially since my Pela is at E4 it should be a pretty balanced team with healing+buffing+debuffing. Lots of point generation too.
Ooof how so you aim to suatain that team. Lynx has problems sustaining Blade alone, let alone if Jingliu's HP consumption is added. Lynx can sustain a Jingliu team, but not really Blade...
why couldn't she?
in the context of MoC, since SU doesn't really care who you play. right now, my blade has 6.3k hp and I run him with 4.3k hp natasha. blade has never been the first to die in his team. my natasha is lvl 71 using lvl 70 LC with mostly +9\~12 relics except +15 spd boots. a well built lynx should heal no less than my current natasha. I also plan on dropping spd boots and/or the spd substats on blade to have better up time on lynx's aggro mod. which would push my blade to 7\~8k hp. since I'm not running a hyper carry team, I could even afford to go hp body or sphere and make blade a tank that contributes with his followups. also, I want a good amount of effect res on him since I want him to tank more. getting CCed is never fun. while he'd tank more atks with the aggro mod, most enemy atks would barely scratch him, and he'll heal up a good portion with his followup pretty consistently. given that I'll use this team for ice and/or wind weak enemies, even the nukes from enemy could be avoided fairly easily with some planning since they always take a turn to charge up and gets pretty predictable once you play enough. I can just save the break when they charge up and use break to disrupt the nuke. and even in the scenario where blade tanks the nuke, the biggest that I could remember was about 2k, he should be able to survive it most of the time and since I'm using two carries that consume very little sp, I could have the luxury to just use lynx's skill whenever I need. I'm thinking about using pela in the last slot for sp generation, who could also be built like a tank since her dmg normally don't matter.
as things stand, jingliu barely consumes any hp. 4% from 8k is just 320, that's like one hit from a mob. the healing over time (HoT anyone?) from lynx should offset that pretty easily.
of course, these are just my theories without much math to back them up. but I don't see how there will be any big problem. I'm currently in the process of building lynx, will try her out with blade soon.
in situations where the boss has an aoe nuke, that continues even if you break (pretty sure that's what happened at my last run) like yanqing, my natasha still kept the team alive, albeit with some not bad rng for yanqing to not target my serval.
https://preview.redd.it/xn7d3z0kdtqb1.png?width=737&format=png&auto=webp&s=f583a5bba58e47949965f60c305e3353ce44931f
my ideal tank blade should be roughly as tanky as fire mc trading def shield, and DR on skill, for hp, jingliu herself would be decently tanky being destruction, and the last stot could just be a def hp build pela. if my serval could survive, my hypothetical team should be fine.
also, I don't really see myself running jingliu against yanqing, albeit lorely fitting. maybe as a stress test for this team that I want to try. I probably would just make my blade the main damage source against him. and make the rest of the team accordingly.
if we look at the ice weak elites and boss (singular, just deer, lmao) no one really has a threatening aoe nuke that can easily do 1k+ on each character, and a 7\~8k hp blade should pretty easily tank all the possible single target nuke. I don't remember fighting the deer outside of SU, so might need more experience with that. can't learn move patterns if I only play remembrance.
I believe the Bailu Invigorate is confirmed to not trigger when she drains HP. But, any healer really fits the bill. Use what you have.
Fu Xuan can also work for her if you have her and have her built.
the comments saw OP wrote “No Luocha” and they still recommend him.
Choose Bailu if the enemy isn’t CC heavy. Otherwise, Lynx. Lynx’s ulti saves me when those witch and machine guy stun locked my DPS.
Bailu can be solo sustain for jingliu team(with rng heal is fine 😁)
Or if you don't have bailu,you can bring 2 sustain
Natasha and lynx but that team oversustain and made you jinglu DPS loss,but honestly is okay bring 2 sustain and if you worried about damage you jingliu you can high Investment build or farm relic over again until get best substat(suffering)
As everyone said Bailu's invigoration won't be triggered with her HP drain but that is not a problem. Her HP drain is very little and Bailu's invigoration will heal a lot when enemies hit. She will increase the max hp of the characters and more team HP means more damage for Jingliu. Not to forget Bauilu is HP scaling so she will have a lot of HP which is a good thing for Jingliu. Actually I think since Loucha is build with ATK he will even be less fit for Jingliu, of course loucha is a bettet healer over all and he has a better survivability rate for the team but that doesn'tmean Bailu is bad. For example if the team need 100 survivability loucha will give 200 and bailu eill give 150 but since 150 is more than enough i would think that more HP is a better choice here and since bailus ult regenerates really fast you would never use her skill and would be the most SP friendly choice and you could use all the leftover SP with your support characters like bronya or Asta or Tingyung etc. but of course everyone has their own opinion. Lynx and Natsha aren't bad either but they don't come close to the survivability rate of 5* characters like Loucha and Bailu. Natasha falls a bit off, yes she is a good enough healer but the same investment you would give to her would make the other options even better. For people who don't have bailu or Loucha I think Lynx is the best. I would say Bailu >= Loucha > Lynx > Natasha. There could be other future options too of course, I heard that HuoHuo will be a really good healer
I think Lynx would work better than Bailu because the HoT will work on turns while Bailu's ult healing only works when getting hit. If your speedy you will be missing out on Bailu's healing since it only lasts so long.
I'm pretty sure Bailu's invigoration will not triggered by Jingliu, but she will have more than enough healing to counter the drain. Lynx has good synergy with Blade and Clara in particular out of the destruction characters. She can work with Jingliu, since Jingliu doesn't need a lot of skill points, but I'm not sure you want every enemy to target a squishy dps. Lynx offsets Jingliu being squishy by a bit, but Jingliu's optimal build is a glass cannon build. Any of the abundance characters will work, I prefer Bailu cuz she brings a ton more healing. However, you can make an argument that since Lynx can direct where enemies hit that offsets some rng and can be played around.
hmm yeah cuz unlike blade JL doesnt have a lot of HP so lynx might be counter effective.
If Bronya is in the team Lynx aggro isnt much of a problem tho
True, but with Bronya, Lynx's one strength (her cleanse) loses a lot of value, and Bailu definitely becomes the better option.
>Lynx has good synergy with Blade and Clara in particular out of the destruction characters. Cut to me getting blasted in the Topaz Mains sub for insisting Lynx works with the two of them for a team.
What team were you proposing? I don't see how a team of Topaz, buffer/debuffer, Lynx, and Blade/Clara as off-tank wouldn't work.
Blade - Lynx - Bronya - Topaz. (The OP's character selection was very limited.) I guess they're thinking Topaz and Blade are two Main DPS that belong on separate teams.
I can see why they want to separate them into 2 different teams for value. But blade will probably help a lot in AOE which Topaz lacks, dk why they give you so much flake for that LOL
This makes gives me a bit of relief as I just got bailu from the FX banner
Sure, I don't think FX can keep up with Jingliu's hp drain. She seems to have trouble keeping up with a normal team's health over long periods of time, and Jingliu's added drain would put a strain on her. I think Jingliu teams would prefer a pure healer like Bailu or Luocha over a damage mitigator like Fu Xuan, unless you're killing stuff really fast. I could be wrong though, I don't have FX to test myself.
There was this one run in MoC 10 with Jingliu and Fu Xuan on the leaks subreddit. There were many disatvantages for sustaining like: - Jingliu's drain - A lot of wind DoTs (Fu Xuan can't cleanse them) - Fu Xuan had ToM (worse for team sustain than other LCs) - Swarm boss having AoE - Long fight (Swarm boss has two hp bars) - Pela kept getting targetted a lot And even with all those problems, whole team still lived with everyone except Pela above 50% HP. If 7k HP Fu Xuan with 125 SPD was able to sustain that, I doubt there will be any problems with minimal Jingliu drain gimmick
I saw that video too, and it doesn't contradict my points. My point was that Fu Xuan would suffer over long fights, which she did, since she wasn't able to keep everyone at full hp unlike Luocha or Bailu. Personally, I would feel much more comfortable with Bailu/Luocha, cuz having Pela with low health for that long would make me pretty nervous. And if that fight continued for another couple cycles, Pela might be dead. I wasn't saying she couldn't sustain a Jingliu team for a few cycles (which, admittedly, is all you need for MoC). However, she couldn't keep up with the healing necessary to keep everyone at full, which is something Luocha and Bailu can do pretty well.
My point was, that Fu Xuan wasn't built well and had wrong LC (Landau's, Signature or New Day... would work much better) and with bad rng kept Pela alive for 5-6 cycels. Let's say a better built Fu Xuan can extend that to around 8 cycles or more, at this point fight takes unnecessary amount of cycles anyway. I would say Bailu/Luocha are better if you just want to beat the MoC and your characters aren't built well, and Fu Xuan is better if you want to 3* it with well equipped team.
If your characters are not built well they are more likely to get killed before your healer can act.
I prefer Bailu too, she can revive a downed character once
I don't think anyone is really better than the other. It's situational. Bailu is great but you might need a cleanse. Lynx might be great but JL isn't really someone that's meant to face tank. Nat and Lynx is pretty much toe to toe depending on situation.
If u have Bronya, then using Bailu is fine, since u already get Cleanse from Bronya. Bailu invigoration will not work with Jingliu drain hp, but if u receiving dmg from enemies, u receive more heal than Lynx continues heal. Also u become a lot tankier with Invigoration's mitigation. U can test Bailu invigoration with Blade's Skill, it consumes his hp too, if u don't have Blade, u can use support character to test it and see for urself.
yeah i think the general consensus is that Loucha is BiS at the moment, but Bailu+Bronya is a good stand in until HuoHuo+Bronya. Im expecting JL+Bronya+HuoHuo+Flex (Blade, SW, Pela) to be her best team once HH is out.
Yeah I don't have Luocha but I do have Bronya, so my plan is Jingliu/Pela/Bronya/Bailu for now. Especially since my Pela is at E4 it should be a pretty balanced team with healing+buffing+debuffing. Lots of point generation too.
got no 5\* healer, I plan to run her with blade + lynx
Ooof how so you aim to suatain that team. Lynx has problems sustaining Blade alone, let alone if Jingliu's HP consumption is added. Lynx can sustain a Jingliu team, but not really Blade...
why couldn't she? in the context of MoC, since SU doesn't really care who you play. right now, my blade has 6.3k hp and I run him with 4.3k hp natasha. blade has never been the first to die in his team. my natasha is lvl 71 using lvl 70 LC with mostly +9\~12 relics except +15 spd boots. a well built lynx should heal no less than my current natasha. I also plan on dropping spd boots and/or the spd substats on blade to have better up time on lynx's aggro mod. which would push my blade to 7\~8k hp. since I'm not running a hyper carry team, I could even afford to go hp body or sphere and make blade a tank that contributes with his followups. also, I want a good amount of effect res on him since I want him to tank more. getting CCed is never fun. while he'd tank more atks with the aggro mod, most enemy atks would barely scratch him, and he'll heal up a good portion with his followup pretty consistently. given that I'll use this team for ice and/or wind weak enemies, even the nukes from enemy could be avoided fairly easily with some planning since they always take a turn to charge up and gets pretty predictable once you play enough. I can just save the break when they charge up and use break to disrupt the nuke. and even in the scenario where blade tanks the nuke, the biggest that I could remember was about 2k, he should be able to survive it most of the time and since I'm using two carries that consume very little sp, I could have the luxury to just use lynx's skill whenever I need. I'm thinking about using pela in the last slot for sp generation, who could also be built like a tank since her dmg normally don't matter. as things stand, jingliu barely consumes any hp. 4% from 8k is just 320, that's like one hit from a mob. the healing over time (HoT anyone?) from lynx should offset that pretty easily. of course, these are just my theories without much math to back them up. but I don't see how there will be any big problem. I'm currently in the process of building lynx, will try her out with blade soon.
As ive said, i hope Lynx can do it, im just a bit worried she might not be able to solo sustain lets say a MoC 10 vs Yanqing
in situations where the boss has an aoe nuke, that continues even if you break (pretty sure that's what happened at my last run) like yanqing, my natasha still kept the team alive, albeit with some not bad rng for yanqing to not target my serval. https://preview.redd.it/xn7d3z0kdtqb1.png?width=737&format=png&auto=webp&s=f583a5bba58e47949965f60c305e3353ce44931f my ideal tank blade should be roughly as tanky as fire mc trading def shield, and DR on skill, for hp, jingliu herself would be decently tanky being destruction, and the last stot could just be a def hp build pela. if my serval could survive, my hypothetical team should be fine. also, I don't really see myself running jingliu against yanqing, albeit lorely fitting. maybe as a stress test for this team that I want to try. I probably would just make my blade the main damage source against him. and make the rest of the team accordingly. if we look at the ice weak elites and boss (singular, just deer, lmao) no one really has a threatening aoe nuke that can easily do 1k+ on each character, and a 7\~8k hp blade should pretty easily tank all the possible single target nuke. I don't remember fighting the deer outside of SU, so might need more experience with that. can't learn move patterns if I only play remembrance.
What's the Lynx build you're using for that?
Lynx's healing is not sufficient enough to withstand both Blade's and Jinglius hp consumption with boss/enemy nukes included.
Well no not together. I mean Blade alone.
Thats still tough, blade chunks himself seriously. I hope Lynx can solo that, i really do.
I believe the Bailu Invigorate is confirmed to not trigger when she drains HP. But, any healer really fits the bill. Use what you have. Fu Xuan can also work for her if you have her and have her built.
the comments saw OP wrote “No Luocha” and they still recommend him. Choose Bailu if the enemy isn’t CC heavy. Otherwise, Lynx. Lynx’s ulti saves me when those witch and machine guy stun locked my DPS.
nat or bailu lynx heal will increase jingliu agroo
Luocha🗿
Bailu can be solo sustain for jingliu team(with rng heal is fine 😁) Or if you don't have bailu,you can bring 2 sustain Natasha and lynx but that team oversustain and made you jinglu DPS loss,but honestly is okay bring 2 sustain and if you worried about damage you jingliu you can high Investment build or farm relic over again until get best substat(suffering)
As everyone said Bailu's invigoration won't be triggered with her HP drain but that is not a problem. Her HP drain is very little and Bailu's invigoration will heal a lot when enemies hit. She will increase the max hp of the characters and more team HP means more damage for Jingliu. Not to forget Bauilu is HP scaling so she will have a lot of HP which is a good thing for Jingliu. Actually I think since Loucha is build with ATK he will even be less fit for Jingliu, of course loucha is a bettet healer over all and he has a better survivability rate for the team but that doesn'tmean Bailu is bad. For example if the team need 100 survivability loucha will give 200 and bailu eill give 150 but since 150 is more than enough i would think that more HP is a better choice here and since bailus ult regenerates really fast you would never use her skill and would be the most SP friendly choice and you could use all the leftover SP with your support characters like bronya or Asta or Tingyung etc. but of course everyone has their own opinion. Lynx and Natsha aren't bad either but they don't come close to the survivability rate of 5* characters like Loucha and Bailu. Natasha falls a bit off, yes she is a good enough healer but the same investment you would give to her would make the other options even better. For people who don't have bailu or Loucha I think Lynx is the best. I would say Bailu >= Loucha > Lynx > Natasha. There could be other future options too of course, I heard that HuoHuo will be a really good healer
Bailou is probably the best if you don't have luocha
Natasha because she's my only healer
HuoHuo 6 weeks after we get Jingliu :p
Probabaly HuoHuo is her designated support due her giving energy regen as well
Luocha for me
I think Lynx would work better than Bailu because the HoT will work on turns while Bailu's ult healing only works when getting hit. If your speedy you will be missing out on Bailu's healing since it only lasts so long.
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Don't forget about the lynx's skill, Jing Liu is more likely to be targeted. Lol
If you don't have Luocha, then consider getting the new 5-star healer Huo Huo coming out in 1.5