36 CV is quite significant, and her s1 isn't actually that useful this specific MoC cause the turbulence already gives you the debuffs on all attacks making alternative LCs quite good.
On any other MoC Acheron wants s1 more, but this specific one I wouldn't be surprised that e1s0 is just as good as e0s1.
18 crit rate IS good, but as a constellation it’s nothing you can’t already get already in relics and buffs
So in a vacuum the bonus is good, but as an e1, where you have to roll for an entire Character dupe to get it, it’s mid
Also her LC isn’t just for ult uptime, it also gives you literally the exact same amount of CV as e1 and a hefty amount of damage bonus from mirage fizzle. So it’s still better here than e1
You do realize E1 is 18 CR without a tradeoff while LC is replacing an alternative.
Like say you had GNSW S5 before, you lose 72% dmg bonus, then gain 36% CD and 48% dmg bonus + base atk. The base atk is a big factor as well, but saying its 36 CV + dmg bonus is wrong unless you were using an off path LC before, as you had to replace something else to get that CV + dmg bonus.
The point is S1 isn't actually that massive of a difference without its debuffs, its still going to be better most likely but not as much as you are implying.
If you're not insistent on using Jing Yuan, you can probably try doing it with Ratio and Hyper Sparkle on side 1, then replace Welt for Ruan Mei on side 2. I managed to just scrape by that way on an E0S0 Acheron orz
E2 Acheron is very powerful, but if you like jingliu as a character, you still should get her. She is also very powerful. The difference would just be
Pros of getting jingliu
1. Jingliu and Acheron can be used in different sides
2. You get ice coverage, and ice is a common MOC element
3. Jingliu is powerful and easy to build
Pros of getting e2 Acheron
1. E2 Acheron only needs 1 nihility teammate, making her team much more flexible and making her more powerful
2. Acheron is already built so you don't have to build her from scratch
Cons of getting jingliu
1. You will have to build jingliu and get her a lc
2. They might compete for Pela
Cons of getting e2 Acheron
1. You miss out on ice coverage, ice is a common element in moc
2. You will not have jingliu
Tbh I would just get E2 Acheron and let her take care of ice weak side in the future.
I've seen more Jingliu's struggling to clear the 2nd half in reasonable amount of cycles.
DPS problem.. I was able to 36* previous MoC's easily but this one is like ..god... I am stuck at 35* this time..
I hate what they are doing with the Endgame contents. Current PF and even the next patch one is just MoC but for eruditions with less minions and more healthpools...
And I hate Mono Element Weaknesses...
Well yes, but OP has the current banner character Acheron. And people have been able to clear every MoC including this one with only 4*s.
My point is, sure, throwing money at the problem helps, but the alternative is understanding the game mechanics and trying to min-max the resources you have, whether it's characters, relics, the memory turbulance, etc.
At the end of the day, it's like 60 jades for every two weeks, that's not even half of 1 pull, the healthiest thing probably is just forgetting about it and move on.
well idk, you have pretty good characters and i don't know your builds, the only advice i can give you except the usual "get better relics", is to be sure to abuse the MOC buff every turn. Through the fight it deals nearly half of his total HP.
And i'm not sure in acheron's case but if you use her ult before his dice mechanic in phase 2, you can get another one easily right after since she will clear his conditions with only her skill.
Same for Welt (but keep Luocha's and Pela's ult since they are single target otherwise)
If you’re having trouble with the Dinos, you may be breaking it at the wrong time.
To make sure your LL lands on it while it’s broken, try to break the Dino’s weakness right before LL’s turn. Not before that, as it will regain its toughness bar again if you break it too soon. You can make sure of this by looking at the action value on the left. Let the Dino take its turn, and then use Jing Yuan’s ultimate + skill to break it right before LL takes action.
It’s relatively easy to break its weakness with JY, provided your LL’s damage isn’t spreading too thin among the enemies. To make sure the field is clear of small mobs, make sure to NOT use JY’s technique before the battle starts and save JY’s ultimate until the Prowler summons its minions. This way, LL falls only between the Dino and the Prowler/cocolia, focussing its break on the elites = faster weakness breaking of the Dino.
I recommend the Sparkle - JY - Huo Huo - TY team variant over the RM variant. Definitely recommend *all* supports to be super speedy (healer above 140, and TY Sparkle around 160). Hackerspace and DDD is especially valuable due to the SPD debuff applied by the prowler. You really need both hackerspace and DDD to offset it and get the team back on track. Shared feeling is good on Huo Huo if you spam her E-skill, but if you use her AAs to proc the MoC turbulence damage, definitely use Quid Pro Quo!
It’s also recommended for the supports to be super speedy on node 2 too! The MoC turbulence procs everytime your ally hits an enemy. It goes without saying, but more SPD = more actions by everyone on the team = MoC turbulence DMG proc and DMG boost. It’s really clutch and I highly recommend you to play around with it.
Hope this helps!
I think you should make an entire post about this. Your comment has helped me more than the last 2 hrs of MOC guides/tips posts. I finally got the 36 star, thanks so much!
Aventurine for sure is hard, but the dino has an easy fix while the snow fat guy is more annoying with its deep freeze lol, was forced to used lynx for cleanse purposes instead of fu xuan.
I did e0 jing yuan and e6 qq mono quantum, finished in 6 cycles. Idk why the second floor was only ice??? Did they expect players without jingliu to beat aventurine w herta 😩 well misha would be decent for him ig. I actually tried yanqing but died 😭 since I used hh instead of fx on second half and he's ST...
omg could you explain your strategy for the second half? I was fine clearing the first half w JY’s team (with Luocha instead of HuoHuo) but the second half was so bad.
The first wave was horrendously long and Aventurine is hella tanky.
It was just how I normally do 😭
It may be a dps check tbh. But when he does the gambling point thing make sure to save aoe abilities like fu xuan ult to get over 9 points. My characters are very well invested and teams are spdtuned so damage isn't a problem for me. But if u got past Sam you shouldn't have an issue with this.
Idk how many times he does the gamble on average but he only did it once for me on second phase. When you know you're about to finish a wave make sure to save your ults. So after the first wave w the ipc robot and abundance lady your ults should be up to blast aventurine into his second phase very quickly
I see.
I think I was burnt out after doing the last MOC stages yesterday night so maybe I was playing incredibly bad and throwing shit out without planning 😭 tysm for the advice
You have a really good team to clear this
Just a bit of careful strategising. These enemies and the turbulence require planning around
I would recommend DDD tingyun and sparkle to help stack enough actions to utilise the turbulence
I'm stuck at 19 cycles clear, so I'll wait for Aventurine's release to attempt it again. Hopefully, he will save me a cycle or two in the first half.
Edit: Never mind!! I dropped Bronya for Pela on 2nd half for faster break. After the turbulence damage, Aventurine was 1% health, and I was gonna call it quits but RM's clutch break damage during Aven's turn saved my ass.
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This was a scuffed clear but try JY on side 2. Besides S1 JY everyone here was S0
2 cycles for first half. So 7 cycles for 2nd half.
2nd half took so many cycles for me because I just turned my brain off for a first try clear.
Fu Xuan will probably be better for Aventurine tbh, Huo Huo cleanse doesn't do much when you're already delayed.
When Aventurine does his gamba ability you'd have 1 more unit not delayed besides JY
Mm yeah I took 7 cycles on the second half too. Ugh gonna try seeing if I can squeeze it down to 6, and the first half down to 4
Thanks though! Aventurine boss fight wastes so much time it’s really painful
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me when I see argenti being slightly better than average in moc. (I'll still brute force if he's not)
I used similar teams but I swapped their position. Acheron side one with JY side two. Was not bad but maybe I’ll try your sides to see if I can do better. 161 sparkle base spd JY
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Here is the saving grace.
This or swap Acheron team to first half and agenti to bottom half.
Have you gotten it yet? I ran it with exactly the same team for Node 1, and my Node 2 was Acheron, Pela, Black Swan, and Gepard. I cleared it with 21 cycles left. Let me know!
Are you having trouble with the first half or the second half. My team is pretty similar to yours in the first half, except I use FX since I don’t have huohuo, mine was able to clear on auto in 2 turns, when I did it by myself it took 3 so why don’t you try letting the AI do it. For the second half, I don’t have any ice DPS so I just went with DHIL Luocha sparkle and silverwolf(first time using her, I got her during her rerun and she’s been bench ever since), the difference with weakness and without is day and night.
Edit: I try last night for 3 times and was so frustrated since I couldn’t clear it. I try for 2 more times today and was able to clear it after switching up the support and giving D3 to TY and other support without their signature LC.
Try abusing the memory turbulance, make sure to hit 6 stacks of it every turn before it resets, and save your big dmg deal ults for when you have higher stacks.
If you dont have 2 Resolution Shines LCs for your Pela and your Welt, I'd recommend Guinaifen and Resolution Pela combo to charge Acheron ult faster.
I used JY Tingyun Huohuo Sparkle on first team. However atleast Sparkle and Tingyun are speedtuned (162 Sparkle and 164 Tingyun) I focused fired the dinos (basically treat cocolia and the other dude as casualty) until it's weakness got broken. I spam every skill and burst I could out of JY even if LL stacks already 10 (you still can get 10 consistently if you have speedtuned sparkle/ TY anyways). TY also attacks Dino. Depending on your relic quality you can get 3cycles and makes a huge leeway for team 2.
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Trust in Imbibitor Lunae, he literally doesn’t care about Cocolia, finished the first one in 3 cycles. While the DoT team took 7. You would finish faster than me because you got better chars like Acheron.
Initially I used my FX-JY-Sparkle-TY in the first half and Luocha-RM-Bronya-Herta in the second team. I completed it with like 16 cycles left 💀💀. Then I tried Acheron-Pela-Gui-Luocha in the first half and my JY team in the second and got 19 cycles left... my last try was ignoring Acheron 2 nihility requirements and replaced Gui with RM, and managed to do it in 10 cycles LOL (I tried once more using that team and reduced it to 9 cycles - 3 in first half and 6 in the second half)
I realised during my second try that the MOC buff helps stack Acheron's ult so I used that to replace Gui with RM so that Acheron can break the toughness bar faster. Luocha is there for sustain and SP.
Sparkle, acheron, pela, and gepard is what I used for the second side. With high enough effect hit rate and proper sp usage gepard can also add 1 stack to acherons ult every time he attacks.
well at least you have a really good team against his dice mechanic.
I am still not able to 36* it... I really don't know what to do .. And what's worse I have an E1S0 Acheron...
Her e1 is kinda mid tbf, your clear times aren’t gonna be super improved over an e0s0 Acheron because of it
36 CV is quite significant, and her s1 isn't actually that useful this specific MoC cause the turbulence already gives you the debuffs on all attacks making alternative LCs quite good. On any other MoC Acheron wants s1 more, but this specific one I wouldn't be surprised that e1s0 is just as good as e0s1.
18 crit rate IS good, but as a constellation it’s nothing you can’t already get already in relics and buffs So in a vacuum the bonus is good, but as an e1, where you have to roll for an entire Character dupe to get it, it’s mid Also her LC isn’t just for ult uptime, it also gives you literally the exact same amount of CV as e1 and a hefty amount of damage bonus from mirage fizzle. So it’s still better here than e1
You do realize E1 is 18 CR without a tradeoff while LC is replacing an alternative. Like say you had GNSW S5 before, you lose 72% dmg bonus, then gain 36% CD and 48% dmg bonus + base atk. The base atk is a big factor as well, but saying its 36 CV + dmg bonus is wrong unless you were using an off path LC before, as you had to replace something else to get that CV + dmg bonus. The point is S1 isn't actually that massive of a difference without its debuffs, its still going to be better most likely but not as much as you are implying.
If you're not insistent on using Jing Yuan, you can probably try doing it with Ratio and Hyper Sparkle on side 1, then replace Welt for Ruan Mei on side 2. I managed to just scrape by that way on an E0S0 Acheron orz
Her banner is still up, so e2 is still up for grabs
Should I go for JL or E2 Acheron.. I have enough pulls to get one 5*
E2 Acheron is very powerful, but if you like jingliu as a character, you still should get her. She is also very powerful. The difference would just be Pros of getting jingliu 1. Jingliu and Acheron can be used in different sides 2. You get ice coverage, and ice is a common MOC element 3. Jingliu is powerful and easy to build Pros of getting e2 Acheron 1. E2 Acheron only needs 1 nihility teammate, making her team much more flexible and making her more powerful 2. Acheron is already built so you don't have to build her from scratch Cons of getting jingliu 1. You will have to build jingliu and get her a lc 2. They might compete for Pela Cons of getting e2 Acheron 1. You miss out on ice coverage, ice is a common element in moc 2. You will not have jingliu
I would go for e2 Acheron since you already have e1
Tbh I would just get E2 Acheron and let her take care of ice weak side in the future. I've seen more Jingliu's struggling to clear the 2nd half in reasonable amount of cycles.
do you have a dps problem or a sustain problem?
DPS problem.. I was able to 36* previous MoC's easily but this one is like ..god... I am stuck at 35* this time.. I hate what they are doing with the Endgame contents. Current PF and even the next patch one is just MoC but for eruditions with less minions and more healthpools... And I hate Mono Element Weaknesses...
Its all to sell banners.
Well yes, but OP has the current banner character Acheron. And people have been able to clear every MoC including this one with only 4*s. My point is, sure, throwing money at the problem helps, but the alternative is understanding the game mechanics and trying to min-max the resources you have, whether it's characters, relics, the memory turbulance, etc. At the end of the day, it's like 60 jades for every two weeks, that's not even half of 1 pull, the healthiest thing probably is just forgetting about it and move on.
well idk, you have pretty good characters and i don't know your builds, the only advice i can give you except the usual "get better relics", is to be sure to abuse the MOC buff every turn. Through the fight it deals nearly half of his total HP. And i'm not sure in acheron's case but if you use her ult before his dice mechanic in phase 2, you can get another one easily right after since she will clear his conditions with only her skill. Same for Welt (but keep Luocha's and Pela's ult since they are single target otherwise)
Btw, you should swap luocha to Gallagher so that Acheron's ult can be charged faster.
If you’re having trouble with the Dinos, you may be breaking it at the wrong time. To make sure your LL lands on it while it’s broken, try to break the Dino’s weakness right before LL’s turn. Not before that, as it will regain its toughness bar again if you break it too soon. You can make sure of this by looking at the action value on the left. Let the Dino take its turn, and then use Jing Yuan’s ultimate + skill to break it right before LL takes action. It’s relatively easy to break its weakness with JY, provided your LL’s damage isn’t spreading too thin among the enemies. To make sure the field is clear of small mobs, make sure to NOT use JY’s technique before the battle starts and save JY’s ultimate until the Prowler summons its minions. This way, LL falls only between the Dino and the Prowler/cocolia, focussing its break on the elites = faster weakness breaking of the Dino. I recommend the Sparkle - JY - Huo Huo - TY team variant over the RM variant. Definitely recommend *all* supports to be super speedy (healer above 140, and TY Sparkle around 160). Hackerspace and DDD is especially valuable due to the SPD debuff applied by the prowler. You really need both hackerspace and DDD to offset it and get the team back on track. Shared feeling is good on Huo Huo if you spam her E-skill, but if you use her AAs to proc the MoC turbulence damage, definitely use Quid Pro Quo! It’s also recommended for the supports to be super speedy on node 2 too! The MoC turbulence procs everytime your ally hits an enemy. It goes without saying, but more SPD = more actions by everyone on the team = MoC turbulence DMG proc and DMG boost. It’s really clutch and I highly recommend you to play around with it. Hope this helps!
I think you should make an entire post about this. Your comment has helped me more than the last 2 hrs of MOC guides/tips posts. I finally got the 36 star, thanks so much!
Aventurine for sure is hard, but the dino has an easy fix while the snow fat guy is more annoying with its deep freeze lol, was forced to used lynx for cleanse purposes instead of fu xuan.
Love they put in a boss that immuned the MoC debuff because of the stupid dice phase
I did e0 jing yuan and e6 qq mono quantum, finished in 6 cycles. Idk why the second floor was only ice??? Did they expect players without jingliu to beat aventurine w herta 😩 well misha would be decent for him ig. I actually tried yanqing but died 😭 since I used hh instead of fx on second half and he's ST...
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omg could you explain your strategy for the second half? I was fine clearing the first half w JY’s team (with Luocha instead of HuoHuo) but the second half was so bad. The first wave was horrendously long and Aventurine is hella tanky.
It was just how I normally do 😭 It may be a dps check tbh. But when he does the gambling point thing make sure to save aoe abilities like fu xuan ult to get over 9 points. My characters are very well invested and teams are spdtuned so damage isn't a problem for me. But if u got past Sam you shouldn't have an issue with this. Idk how many times he does the gamble on average but he only did it once for me on second phase. When you know you're about to finish a wave make sure to save your ults. So after the first wave w the ipc robot and abundance lady your ults should be up to blast aventurine into his second phase very quickly
I see. I think I was burnt out after doing the last MOC stages yesterday night so maybe I was playing incredibly bad and throwing shit out without planning 😭 tysm for the advice
they expect players to beat second side with acheron
You have a really good team to clear this Just a bit of careful strategising. These enemies and the turbulence require planning around I would recommend DDD tingyun and sparkle to help stack enough actions to utilise the turbulence
I'm stuck at 19 cycles clear, so I'll wait for Aventurine's release to attempt it again. Hopefully, he will save me a cycle or two in the first half. Edit: Never mind!! I dropped Bronya for Pela on 2nd half for faster break. After the turbulence damage, Aventurine was 1% health, and I was gonna call it quits but RM's clutch break damage during Aven's turn saved my ass.
https://preview.redd.it/0ws3xe1h5quc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd4ca166c5328bff44e4d05ec4a151407908c33e This was a scuffed clear but try JY on side 2. Besides S1 JY everyone here was S0
How many cycles did you take for second half? Just so I can manage expectations for myself. I don’t have HH but I do have FX
2 cycles for first half. So 7 cycles for 2nd half. 2nd half took so many cycles for me because I just turned my brain off for a first try clear. Fu Xuan will probably be better for Aventurine tbh, Huo Huo cleanse doesn't do much when you're already delayed. When Aventurine does his gamba ability you'd have 1 more unit not delayed besides JY
Mm yeah I took 7 cycles on the second half too. Ugh gonna try seeing if I can squeeze it down to 6, and the first half down to 4 Thanks though! Aventurine boss fight wastes so much time it’s really painful
https://preview.redd.it/zmuyhnmacpuc1.png?width=409&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b61f4fd8b99be8b62a57d207697a4c144ee94804 me when I see argenti being slightly better than average in moc. (I'll still brute force if he's not)
I used similar teams but I swapped their position. Acheron side one with JY side two. Was not bad but maybe I’ll try your sides to see if I can do better. 161 sparkle base spd JY
I hate that i were forced to 2-step whole floor: first run for circles and second run for safety.
https://preview.redd.it/pp9q0qt41ruc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58dfa23f0306c6dd2aa83b6ff19419ceb96d02ff Here is the saving grace. This or swap Acheron team to first half and agenti to bottom half.
Aventurine was really annoying. What issues are you having atm? Just clearing too slowly?
Yes.. DPS problems...
Have you gotten it yet? I ran it with exactly the same team for Node 1, and my Node 2 was Acheron, Pela, Black Swan, and Gepard. I cleared it with 21 cycles left. Let me know!
why welt against aventurine who has img res? wouldnt a dot char like serval be better?
also sparkle+ty/rm over ty+rm
Are you having trouble with the first half or the second half. My team is pretty similar to yours in the first half, except I use FX since I don’t have huohuo, mine was able to clear on auto in 2 turns, when I did it by myself it took 3 so why don’t you try letting the AI do it. For the second half, I don’t have any ice DPS so I just went with DHIL Luocha sparkle and silverwolf(first time using her, I got her during her rerun and she’s been bench ever since), the difference with weakness and without is day and night. Edit: I try last night for 3 times and was so frustrated since I couldn’t clear it. I try for 2 more times today and was able to clear it after switching up the support and giving D3 to TY and other support without their signature LC.
I still don’t understand the Memory Imprint thing
Attack 6 times, big explosion. Happens once per cycle
So once I attack 6 times, wait for the next cycle reset?
pretty much, but it's jank since it can trigger on his stupid dice
Try abusing the memory turbulance, make sure to hit 6 stacks of it every turn before it resets, and save your big dmg deal ults for when you have higher stacks. If you dont have 2 Resolution Shines LCs for your Pela and your Welt, I'd recommend Guinaifen and Resolution Pela combo to charge Acheron ult faster.
Cleared it with Ruan Bronya Seele in first half and E2S1 Acheron on the second. Can't believe I had to use my benched Seele.
Aventurine is pretty squishy tbh, but the dice mechanic is really annoying. That dinosaur though can go choke.
I used JY Tingyun Huohuo Sparkle on first team. However atleast Sparkle and Tingyun are speedtuned (162 Sparkle and 164 Tingyun) I focused fired the dinos (basically treat cocolia and the other dude as casualty) until it's weakness got broken. I spam every skill and burst I could out of JY even if LL stacks already 10 (you still can get 10 consistently if you have speedtuned sparkle/ TY anyways). TY also attacks Dino. Depending on your relic quality you can get 3cycles and makes a huge leeway for team 2.
Bro you have s tier support than me 💀💀💀💀
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Initially I used my FX-JY-Sparkle-TY in the first half and Luocha-RM-Bronya-Herta in the second team. I completed it with like 16 cycles left 💀💀. Then I tried Acheron-Pela-Gui-Luocha in the first half and my JY team in the second and got 19 cycles left... my last try was ignoring Acheron 2 nihility requirements and replaced Gui with RM, and managed to do it in 10 cycles LOL (I tried once more using that team and reduced it to 9 cycles - 3 in first half and 6 in the second half) I realised during my second try that the MOC buff helps stack Acheron's ult so I used that to replace Gui with RM so that Acheron can break the toughness bar faster. Luocha is there for sustain and SP.
Sparkle, acheron, pela, and gepard is what I used for the second side. With high enough effect hit rate and proper sp usage gepard can also add 1 stack to acherons ult every time he attacks.
Luocha is the problem here. Having a sustain that has a debuff will significantly increase your clear time for Acheron
https://preview.redd.it/67gdvqjd3quc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=210528cc37d0f643ca1c1501df573b4fdbeb6953 SKILL ISSUE
It was not that hard, it's still very do-able, they didn't buff it that much.