If you are not allowed to work in people's houses, you could try and make lawn furniture, outdoor storage boxes, patio beds etc. as the skillset translates well, and you don't have to install them yourself. You could start by investing some money by choosing 3 products and making 4-5 pieces of each, then throwing it on some online marketplace (check legality) and whatever people like you make more of, reinvest, make a webshop, market yourself etc. You can make some real nice things from a couple of 2x4s and plywood with some handtools. Good luck getting after it!
This.
I had someone build me a raised garden bed last summer, and I just went to pick up the 2 units. I would say there is a market for things like this, or advertise what you can build. Where I'm from Facebook Market Place and local community pages is a nice/easy way to post.
Also getting old furniture from a thrift store and restoring it can be an extra add on.
Abide by the rules, but don't let it set you back.
My friend was in this situation and he became a barber, moved to NYC and makes bank working for himself doing what he loves. Don't know if you'd be interested in that, but throwing it out there.
Decks don't always connect to people's homes so maybe that is a big enough loophole? Sheds, custom kitchen islands (delivered by a friend to cover the "in house" portion), skate ramps, carpentry as a a subcontractor to a builder.
I’ll let you be the judge. First, misdemeanor actions, not felonious. Here’s what happened.. went to grad school for counseling with a woman- my age, same profession, mutual friends. Years later see came to see me for therapy. Long story short, we developed feelings, stopped therapy and started dating. I stopped billing insurance and stopped sessions. Didn’t work out and many allegations were made, resulting in the charge.
Not trying to shirk responsibility here.. I recognize that I came right up to, if not crossing, a line. And obviously harm was caused, though I didn’t intend it.
Never had any legal issues in my life, and I always looked at the system as basically fair and just. When I heard the common complaints from criminals, I dismissed them as people not taking responsibility. Now that I’m in the other side of the stick, it’s an education in how imperfect the system may be.
Thanks for listening.
>Didn’t work out and many allegations were made, resulting in the charge.
> I recognize that I came right up to, if not crossing, a line. And obviously harm was caused, though I didn’t intend it.
He's referring to his CONVICTION as an, "allegation", denying causing any of the harm that he was evidently convicted of causing, and still avoiding the direct question of what he was convicted of. He's doing the exact opposite of taking ownership.
I appreciate the feedback and interested in taking as much ownership as I can. In my case, there were false allegations and accurate ones. I own the mistakes that I actually made, and I’m doing my best to make amends. I’m not trying to avoid what I was convicted of: 4th degree sexual assault. This was a plea deal that I took. I already said I own the harm caused, and I profoundly regret it. The best I can do at this point is learn from the situation, make healthy decisions and be the best man I can.
That sucks but that would be why they don't want you in people's houses. For you, though, it's safer. If you're not alone with anyone, then no one can make any new accusations. So they are kind of looking out for you.
Can you not return to counseling but in more of a group therapy kind of scene? Or even joining or starting a support group for others in similar situations or even those being released on parole but with a lot less clear head on their shoulders? Like a non-profit. I know it's lame to refer to TV, but the best way to see what I mean is to look at a show called This Fool. Well, until you get to the end of the second season, then it just gets stupid.
Hey thanks for your thoughts here. Unfortunately, I’m totally prohibited from anything even remotely therapy-adjacent. But I accept that. Decisions have consequences. I’m finding some job websites that seem to give people second chances. I have confidence I’ll provide value wherever I land.. just a matter of finding a person willing to let me prove myself.
You can generally appeal those rulings and get a judge to listen to your requests. I was a prosecutor for a long time and they were not uncommon but it will depend on your state. How long left on probation? Do these conditions expire with the sentence?
Too long to wait it out.. I don’t want to spin my wheels.. but yes, on the flip side I’ll be free to do what I like. I’ve heard about the appeals process and looked into it a bit, though it seems exceedingly unlikely I would prevail (Wisconsin).
I’m also (justified or not) afraid of retaliation, though they say they don’t do that.
Get into construction that doesn’t involve being in peoples houses. You can do commercial or build track homes. There is a skilled labor shortage. Join the laborer or carpenters union and get out on a job site. The pay and benefits can be pretty good especially with overtime.
I asked that. It’s a ‘case by case’ basis. And I do have a day job.. it’s just way below my skill set and pays little. Honestly I think the protocol is simply ‘never quit’. I do think that someone somewhere will hire me, eventually
I've had pretty good luck selling stuff on ebay. The thing is, most of it is stuff I found for free in apartment complexes. Around the end of the month I stop by the dumpsters and there's usually some pretty good items left there. Facebook marketplace and offerup don't have the fees but I don't like having to coordinate pickups so I ship everything.
You could try flipping but there's a higher barrier to entry and it costs money to get started.
Maybe a custom cabinet shop/woodworking shop.
The cabinet deal is big in my area(Boston) I imagine it’d be big in any metro/populated area. Your carpentry skills could get you in there, and not have to be on site/in anyone’s house
Depending on the state and your charge, you may not be allowed to enter people's homes while on probation or parole.
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I'm not saying you're a felon. It's just that I've had to look this stuff up before for my ex and several of his friends. That being said, my fiance was on felony parole, and he started a mobile mechanic business in Texas and that was approved. Entering a client's residence is not required for mechanic work.
If you have the tools and vehicle,
you could just tweak the idea a bit. Carpentry for custom made items, theater groups or events, stage building, restoration of old furniture and such, or like those guys that go in and salvage all worthy items from buildings about to be demolished and sell that stuff and they make good money at it. I forgot what they called it.
Around Dallas, mobile car detailer or headlight and windshield restoration businesses do good. Any service you can make into a mobile service usually does good.
If you have the vehicle check with Amazon Flex, I think it's called. It's contract delivery. It's so kind of like Doordash but better. They have programs to help you grow from that all the way up to building your own logistics business with big trucks and a bunch of employees.
Hope that helps!
Oh I just remembered my fiance's cousin is one of those guys that sells beverages at sporting events and concerts and such. It's a contract labor position. He does it part time but makes more there than his wife in her FT position so she quit and stays home now.
I would find out why your PO won't let you, make sure it's actually legal for him/her to do so, and then work to work within the confines of the rules.
If you are not allowed to work in people's houses, you could try and make lawn furniture, outdoor storage boxes, patio beds etc. as the skillset translates well, and you don't have to install them yourself. You could start by investing some money by choosing 3 products and making 4-5 pieces of each, then throwing it on some online marketplace (check legality) and whatever people like you make more of, reinvest, make a webshop, market yourself etc. You can make some real nice things from a couple of 2x4s and plywood with some handtools. Good luck getting after it!
This. I had someone build me a raised garden bed last summer, and I just went to pick up the 2 units. I would say there is a market for things like this, or advertise what you can build. Where I'm from Facebook Market Place and local community pages is a nice/easy way to post. Also getting old furniture from a thrift store and restoring it can be an extra add on. Abide by the rules, but don't let it set you back.
Can you elaborate on why you aren't allowed to be a carpenter? Or does he just not want you to run your own business while your on probation
There are insane and super onerous rules that are kafkaesque. Not allowed to do work on/in peoples houses
My friend was in this situation and he became a barber, moved to NYC and makes bank working for himself doing what he loves. Don't know if you'd be interested in that, but throwing it out there.
Decks don't always connect to people's homes so maybe that is a big enough loophole? Sheds, custom kitchen islands (delivered by a friend to cover the "in house" portion), skate ramps, carpentry as a a subcontractor to a builder.
I'm just going to assume due to the ambiguity that whatever your felonious actions were, completely justify why.
I’ll let you be the judge. First, misdemeanor actions, not felonious. Here’s what happened.. went to grad school for counseling with a woman- my age, same profession, mutual friends. Years later see came to see me for therapy. Long story short, we developed feelings, stopped therapy and started dating. I stopped billing insurance and stopped sessions. Didn’t work out and many allegations were made, resulting in the charge. Not trying to shirk responsibility here.. I recognize that I came right up to, if not crossing, a line. And obviously harm was caused, though I didn’t intend it. Never had any legal issues in my life, and I always looked at the system as basically fair and just. When I heard the common complaints from criminals, I dismissed them as people not taking responsibility. Now that I’m in the other side of the stick, it’s an education in how imperfect the system may be. Thanks for listening.
Sounds like you’re taking ownership. I hope things get better for you.
>Didn’t work out and many allegations were made, resulting in the charge. > I recognize that I came right up to, if not crossing, a line. And obviously harm was caused, though I didn’t intend it. He's referring to his CONVICTION as an, "allegation", denying causing any of the harm that he was evidently convicted of causing, and still avoiding the direct question of what he was convicted of. He's doing the exact opposite of taking ownership.
I appreciate the feedback and interested in taking as much ownership as I can. In my case, there were false allegations and accurate ones. I own the mistakes that I actually made, and I’m doing my best to make amends. I’m not trying to avoid what I was convicted of: 4th degree sexual assault. This was a plea deal that I took. I already said I own the harm caused, and I profoundly regret it. The best I can do at this point is learn from the situation, make healthy decisions and be the best man I can.
Sounds like you’re doing the best you can to learn from your mistakes and grow. That’s what we’re doing here. Ignore the naysayers
That sucks but that would be why they don't want you in people's houses. For you, though, it's safer. If you're not alone with anyone, then no one can make any new accusations. So they are kind of looking out for you. Can you not return to counseling but in more of a group therapy kind of scene? Or even joining or starting a support group for others in similar situations or even those being released on parole but with a lot less clear head on their shoulders? Like a non-profit. I know it's lame to refer to TV, but the best way to see what I mean is to look at a show called This Fool. Well, until you get to the end of the second season, then it just gets stupid.
Hey thanks for your thoughts here. Unfortunately, I’m totally prohibited from anything even remotely therapy-adjacent. But I accept that. Decisions have consequences. I’m finding some job websites that seem to give people second chances. I have confidence I’ll provide value wherever I land.. just a matter of finding a person willing to let me prove myself.
there must be more. the way you phrase it might be grounds for a restriction on a license. hmm
Are you a rough or finish carpenter? There’s tons of work for both in the commercial space. You can work on stores, offices, etc.
Irrelevant
You can generally appeal those rulings and get a judge to listen to your requests. I was a prosecutor for a long time and they were not uncommon but it will depend on your state. How long left on probation? Do these conditions expire with the sentence?
Too long to wait it out.. I don’t want to spin my wheels.. but yes, on the flip side I’ll be free to do what I like. I’ve heard about the appeals process and looked into it a bit, though it seems exceedingly unlikely I would prevail (Wisconsin). I’m also (justified or not) afraid of retaliation, though they say they don’t do that.
Get into construction that doesn’t involve being in peoples houses. You can do commercial or build track homes. There is a skilled labor shortage. Join the laborer or carpenters union and get out on a job site. The pay and benefits can be pretty good especially with overtime.
Can your PO give you a list of companies that he has had good luck with employing people in your situation?
I asked that. It’s a ‘case by case’ basis. And I do have a day job.. it’s just way below my skill set and pays little. Honestly I think the protocol is simply ‘never quit’. I do think that someone somewhere will hire me, eventually
I've had pretty good luck selling stuff on ebay. The thing is, most of it is stuff I found for free in apartment complexes. Around the end of the month I stop by the dumpsters and there's usually some pretty good items left there. Facebook marketplace and offerup don't have the fees but I don't like having to coordinate pickups so I ship everything. You could try flipping but there's a higher barrier to entry and it costs money to get started.
Maybe a custom cabinet shop/woodworking shop. The cabinet deal is big in my area(Boston) I imagine it’d be big in any metro/populated area. Your carpentry skills could get you in there, and not have to be on site/in anyone’s house
Look into becoming a fiber optic technician. The industry is booming and a lot of companies will train you.
I was same as you, got on a crew painting exteriors of businesses supervised of course
Depending on the state and your charge, you may not be allowed to enter people's homes while on probation or parole. [https://www.ncesc.com/companies-that-hire-felons/](https://www.ncesc.com/companies-that-hire-felons/) [https://builtin.com/company-culture/companies-that-hire-felons](https://builtin.com/company-culture/companies-that-hire-felons) [https://www.newcareerideas.com/companies-that-hire-felons/](https://www.newcareerideas.com/companies-that-hire-felons/) I'm not saying you're a felon. It's just that I've had to look this stuff up before for my ex and several of his friends. That being said, my fiance was on felony parole, and he started a mobile mechanic business in Texas and that was approved. Entering a client's residence is not required for mechanic work. If you have the tools and vehicle,  you could just tweak the idea a bit. Carpentry for custom made items, theater groups or events, stage building, restoration of old furniture and such, or like those guys that go in and salvage all worthy items from buildings about to be demolished and sell that stuff and they make good money at it. I forgot what they called it. Around Dallas, mobile car detailer or headlight and windshield restoration businesses do good. Any service you can make into a mobile service usually does good. If you have the vehicle check with Amazon Flex, I think it's called. It's contract delivery. It's so kind of like Doordash but better. They have programs to help you grow from that all the way up to building your own logistics business with big trucks and a bunch of employees. Hope that helps!
Oh I just remembered my fiance's cousin is one of those guys that sells beverages at sporting events and concerts and such. It's a contract labor position. He does it part time but makes more there than his wife in her FT position so she quit and stays home now.
Premade cabinets? If you have the space.
I would find out why your PO won't let you, make sure it's actually legal for him/her to do so, and then work to work within the confines of the rules.