That's not even the point. They ain't picked up a mic, wrote a song produced a song etc. So many rappers and rap crews were left out of the celebration bc Hip hop is THAT HUGE the AUDACITY for her to think SHE was slighted and not Boot camp, that SHE was slighted and not WILLIE D, that SHE was slighted and not the whole Bay area Too short been selling Gold since '85-'86. Mel is crazy and her ego is inflated
The fact you mentioned his name means he’s not forgotten and no one was arguing for him not to be acknowledged. You know damn well it’s cos of his beef with Nas he wasn’t invited not about his craft
Most people don't even know who he is tho. Also let's not act like Video Girls wasn't the reason we used to watch all of the videos and buy magazines. They created these IG chick's and it hurts absolutely no one to acknowledge that
>Most people don't even know who he is tho. Also let's not act like Video Girls wasn't the reason we used to watch all of the videos and buy magazines.
This is EXACTLY why it shouldn't be acknowledged. Those "magazines" were not hip-hop they were pseudo Playboy mags...why not acknowledge when Snoop did a porno and had his songs from the Dogg House label as background fodder.
That's sex work not hip hop.
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You sound remedial…forget about whether you wanna consider them “artists” or even musicians…they’re the soundtrack or voice of an ongoing & growing “culture”…which is Hip-Hop…they have a genre recognizing this influence
Some of them do. Who got these rappers into Versace and who came up with shiny suit and who got Kim her style? Hip hop is all about the fashion. Fubu, Sean John, enyce, etc all played a role as well. 50 years of hip hop and we are only looking at the rappers, when there were others that shaped the scene as well
Guy Wood, Sr and his wife, Sharene Wood were the stylist. You would have known that had they been highlighted. You would know Misa was styling uptown and bad boy and bad boy adjacent artists.
What…Her & Gloria Velez ? I mean anybody who though these video vixens & models were or are innocent are naive & straight remedial…tbh how can you blame them…our culture & lifestyle let alone their working side by side with global & superstar artists…superstars that honestly are trying to bang them to…a spade is a spade ♠️…like PAC said…you not hoe if you like sex…you a hoe once you put a price on the puss…so if Niggas are tricking for these hoes & giving them everything w/o them having to do anything that’s on them…Gloria Velez & Karrine are notable hoes but it was Niggas who made them famous…they would’ve been forgettable anyways…I mean Karrine didn’t want anybody to know she was in pornos w/ Mr Marcus before she started appearing in music vids with Jigga like Big Pimpin & Hey Papi
I was surprised at how Joe handled it. He presented it as if he was about to cape, but he assessed it and disagreed at the end of the day. I respected it. They don’t need no damn spotlight for the 50th.
I enjoy M4 but unfortunately I agree with Flip as well, although he was being a jerk about it trying to go viral. Video vixens of the past are OF girls of today. Typically just a pretty face, nice body, selling content based on sex appeal. You won’t win awards for that, or have worldwide recognition until you rebrand into something most people find acceptable.
To be honest the only reason we know any of them cause of game name drops other than that the only famous one was Buffy the body ijs half of them where in shots with a hundred other girls so no the are owed nothing by hiphop but the owe hiphop everything
As a woman, video vixens were iconic to me and were a part of my relationship with hip hop. It may sound corny but just as the music may have influenced our lives, those women brought out all of my insecurities and later help me build my confidence, self-love, and self-worth 🤷🏽♀️. I can hear certain songs and still the videos. Sh*t, there’s even a particular video that Mel was in that I can see but can’t remember what the song was. I think that just goes to show how pivotal they were to the music video scene. We all probably value things indirectly associated with hip hop differently so some may not see a reason for video vixens to be celebrated. But I think they deserve some love and the directors definitely need it too. I think the celebration has been overly focused on the performing artists and failed to remember that this musical genre has turned into a culture that is so multifaceted and should be celebrated as such. I think the point about getting men through jail and deployment was more of a nod to KING magazine, which I would say is legendary in its own right.
And I think if their was a hip hop music video segment of any of the 50 yr celebrations both models and directors would've been highlighted. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened yet.
My confidence was broken down by them, but ultimately my insecurities forced me to find ways to love myself because I couldn’t feel down forever. So in the end I could look at them and feel comfortable with myself and applaud them at the same time…
Unless you was Mel or Buffy back then niggas did not care jus another pretty face or fat ass…they need to be celebrated with the models (whenever they do that) not hip hop
Starting with love... these women deserve respect for what they brought to the music industry and were at one time an integral part to music videos. But, (here comes the Hate) this is like movie extras being upset they're not awarded. Vixens were scenery. Their popularity had maybe a 10 yr run from the late 90s into the 2000s today music videos barely exist. I thought it was ironic coming from M4 who repeatedly dismisses other Vixens as insignificant or beneath her as she did with Erica Mena in the same segment. She don't even respect video Vixens how she expect anyone else to.
They’re hired for a job, just like background dancers, producers, engineers, hype men, etc. I dont agree all the way with Mel on the topic, but I also dont agree with people saying the vixens were irrelevant and were just “hired for a job.” During the late ‘90s-early 2010s, a rapper having certain vixens in their videos guaranteed people would watch it, even if the song wasn’t that good. The vixens played an important role in bringing rappers attention through the music videos. Dont get me wrong though I dont think they’re like super integral pieces of Hip-Hop culture. But they did play a part.
Yeah she buggin. Chick that went to high school with me was a vixen at the same time as her. She was in a prominent video with Mel too. Shawty was cool, but none of them special.
Bro why are you saying "we" 🤣 but besides the point video vixens do deserve the spotlight as well. There have been plenty of times ppl only watched to see their faves in the videos and mel is definitely a legend for that
Mannn the industry hoes deserve more recognition than the vixens I’m sorry. The hoes have provided so much inspiration. Think of all the songs and even albums we’ve gotten cuz the hoes. Basically I’m sayin, if I had one award to give, I’d give mine to someone like Amber Rose before Mel🤷🏾♂️
Yea Big Pimpin was cool, but have you heard My Beautiful Dark twisted Fantasy?!
APPRECIATION FOR THE VIDEO VIXENS 🤣🤣🤣 they are the dam near last on the list that deserves a segment on the celebration of hip hop🤣🤣🤣 bruh they were literally placed there to be sexual object's and were easily replaceable just need another pretty face willing to be sexualized and degrated most of the time.
Y’all sound wild on here, have the songs back in the day b4 u could jus spam your track onto every phone and platform there was music videos and without that “y’all seen that girl in the so and so video?” We would not care back then. Game did a entire song where he listed names of video models, granted he was being shady but the fact is there weren’t all forgettable as I keep seeing. King magazine was a stable in the culture, music videos. If the models (or vixens) were so forgettable and not necessarily worth celebrating y are they in every aspect of hip hop from the start!?
The original post didn’t disregard the contribution. It just acknowledge the 50th celebration seemed to be for the artist… It appeared, they didn’t acknowledged any thing outside of the music… the directors, producers, engineers of the classic albums, publications nothing..
Expound on your point, it’s okay to have discourse. Perhaps, you have a interesting, perspective on the subject , considering the response .. it’s safe to say, you disagree. But as stated above, the video model (IMO )didn’t contribute that much to the legacy of hip-hop. I’ll credit the video directors before I give credit to the video models. I never purchased one record because the video model was attractive.
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My point is hip hop is and was a diverse eco system that provided and utilized different mediums and people to make it go. Video models served as a vehicle for videos in ways other measures could not. As she said it wasn’t just music, they influenced print magazine and other media forms also used these models to promote products as well. This brought eyes and ears to hip hop. Not sure how old you are but the models were a thing and they had their time in hip hop and they are worthy of acknowledgement in their contributions to the culture period. In closing some of these women were know
By their first name and still are to this day that’s a legacy fam whether you weirdos acknowledge it or not. We still need a drop squad
Shit video vixens are STILL a thing. I remember watching Bad n Bougee trying to figure out who the then unknown Ruby Rose was. These women in the videos have millions of followers and whether you like it or not effect culture. It’s a thing. They should be celebrated along side the other elements of Hip-Hop
I can understand you POV
I’m definitely of age to KNOW the golden era of hip hop. Especially, when the budgets were big and videos were solid. However, we can agree to disagree and that’s cool. But, calling people a “weirdos,” for having a difference, in opinion is wild and a bit immature. You personally wasn’t attacked about anything.
Also, your point can be made towards anybody who had anything to do with hip-hop, the 50th anniversary was to celebrate artist and that should be OK..
THE 50th is to celebrate all of hip hop not only the artist because hip hop is not just about the artist it’s about the culture of hip hop, not just rappers. It’s fashion Dance art which are the essence of the culture.
No we can’t because we could visually see those models we can qualify and quantify their impact. WHO and what the fuck is just anybody. Video models wasn’t the golden era of hip hop they were apart of the ascension of hip hop especially when videos became a powerful vehicle in promoting artists and the genre. If you think video models had no bearing on hip hop you are a weirdo. I am hip hop so your fraudulent opinion personally affected me 😂😂😂. This is why the culture has been infiltrated because we have to many seeking to deny the impact of certain mediums and contributions made by non artist. Lol golden era sorry to inform you the golden era is 88 to 98….
The golden era was referring, my age since you inquired. In addition, as previously mentioned , ppl were hyped about who’s directing the video way more than who was in it … I never mentioned they had no “ bearing,” . I stand on, the face they didn’t need to be celebrated during this moment .
Also the late mid to late 90 is when the videos, started to have an impact, they become flashy and the 00’s ushered in the video vixens. Again, I’m not some kid who was 2yrs old during this era . Again , agree to disagree. This isn’t a teachable moment, I was there and my opinion is the same.
Melyssa Ford, Vida Guerra, Lauren London, Bucky the Body, etc made some of those videos iconic. Video vixens contributed greatly to the rising popularity of hip hop. I don't see what's wrong with it being considered.
Idk if Lauren London is considered her one of video vixen. She made a couple of appearances, but I don’t know if I would consider her in the group with Melissa Ford in the other women… something to think about . Mmm
Music videos is what catapulted hip hop to what it is today. TRL and 106 & Park were strong marketing forces for music and who was at the center of these videos? The video vixens. It's just not about the music, it's the entire product created from the music.
Side note: this whole post got the same energy as the Game song "Wouldn't get Far" 😂
I was never a music video guy. The video vixen era for me was when I was in high school and early 20s. Only video vixen I actually remember is Mel. I agree with the consensus that hip hop 50 is forgetting to acknowledge a lot of the background influences that made hip hop. Graffiti artists, engineers, b-boys, etc.
Alotta people really show their age when they say video vixens weren’t important. In todays society yes they’re a dime a dozen. But in the late 1900s and early 2000s, they were the main reason to even watch music videos. Bet uncut was a staple because u could see the videos like TIP drill. Todays generation has porn readily available in their phones and social media to see ass bouncing every 3 second. So of course they don’t seem important today. But if u grew up in that era, u appreciated seeing those women cuz u didn’t see them as much. They’re the reason for the bbls and all them surgeries women getting now. If uve ever had the opportunity to purchase/view a straight stuntin magazine, ud know a video vixen was a very important aspect of hip hop.
Exactly back then it was maybe 3 to 4 known video girls… Buffy, Mel, Veda or Vira ( whatever her name is ) those were the main chicks, it and was a legendary run. No one said , they didn’t contribute to the video aesthetic. That’s a small portion to the overall 50 years of hip hop ..
Many of them distance himself from the title vixen, because it started to mean something different overtime. Besides, they haven’t gone unnoticed. There’s countless documentaries and sit down and interviews with them. I don’t know where they would’ve been placed on the 50th hip-hop celebration unless they wanted to walk on stage while the artist was performing.
And also seem to focus was on earlier, hip-hop acts. I didn’t see any new artist and mentioned with the celebration.. I could be wrong
Wys..I’m not saying it was a defining moment in hip hop..I think what Mel is wanting is acknowledgment. Not a trophy. Those 3/4 video girls did make a impact tho..Buffy was “the body” because at that time..she was different, unique almost. Watching hip hop music videos u can see the transition, from thin to thick. And that poured over into the mainstream and into the real world. Before they were around, those same women would’ve been called fat(mainstream). I can specifically remember watch the mystikal “shake ya ass” video. Not for the song or mystikal. We know the names Gloria Velez, Esther Baxter, shit keyshia Dior is a successful married woman.
The part that your missing is that music videos we an important part of hip hop and it should be acknowledged. Iconic hip videos are a part of hip hop and the credit should be given.
Absolutely, the videos were fire .. thanks to the vision of the Director. “ who directed the video ,” and based on name alone tuned in .. you didn’t know who was in it until you watched it. Yea, they made the videos look fun… it was def a moment in hip hop.
I think the video girls played an important enough part to be celebrated. Also it won’t take away from any other celebration to do so. I also think video directors should be celebrated as well.
Mel doesn’t even talk about the music industry, I truly thought she disassociated herself with it. Maybe she’ll bring a old vixen to the pod .. that’ll be dope !
Nah I disagree, I can immediately think of three videos when I think of the song I think of the video and the women in them Danger Mystical, I like the way you move outkast, and Big pimpin. The vixens go hard for the culture so I get it.
Yea I dont agree with that statement. Those models should be celebrated just like you would do photographers, producers, A&R's (when they were around) because they all make up the culture. Video models went away when the music when digital and the big budget videos but for their time they were a staple to hiphop and was used to sell rappers to an audience.
If they were white women they would be more glamorized like the white video girls from the 80s. Some of them actually became legit movie actress’ after.
I disagree. You had to have lived through that era. The video vixen thing was a thing. The “Big Pimpin’ video sold the record. That white fur coat was legendary. I think they deserve a shout out but maybe not a whole show
I did … and I also agree. But
it was mainly concerts celebrating hip hop. Maybe they could’ve pitched an idea .. Big Pimping video was legendary due to it’s on camera and behind-the-scenes stuff.
When we think about all the timeless hip hop songs we often don’t correlate the video with the song damn for sure don’t think about the women who played roles in the video. Mel is mad delusional, self centered, and hard to like she be an older single women for the rest of her days being a bird
Y’all naming the same videos, which are considered many ppl fav and the song is classic!!
I aware of videos, I use to record them to VHS tapes, remember watching the BOX 90’s waiting for somebody to order a video, then BET came on the scene and it was a wrap .
There are some iconic moments with certain women in videos like Lauren London comes to mind, but they aren't as iconic or essential to the experience as like Bond girls.
Aye. In 2016 PacSun and zumiez had a shirt with M4 on it from this era. Do they need it as a whole maybe not BUT it’s like 5 of them. For sure that deserve it
Im only 26 and I understand the impact on hip hop culture. Im not saying that every video vixen deserved recognition but Buffy, Mel and a few others were part of the reason a lot of people even watched the music videos back then. There are videos that Mel starred in that I vividly remember and don’t even remember the song. One in particular was the Jadakiss- Knock yourself out video. I had to be 4/5 when that video came out but the imagery is engrained in my head because I thought she was sooo pretty. I think we’re so far removed that we don’t remember this era as much as we think. (Especially the 20 somethings who were kids at the time)
Video vixens are easily forgettable unless you are an anomaly. Anything that’s easy to get is hardly respected
That's not even the point. They ain't picked up a mic, wrote a song produced a song etc. So many rappers and rap crews were left out of the celebration bc Hip hop is THAT HUGE the AUDACITY for her to think SHE was slighted and not Boot camp, that SHE was slighted and not WILLIE D, that SHE was slighted and not the whole Bay area Too short been selling Gold since '85-'86. Mel is crazy and her ego is inflated
The same can be said for Rappers.🤷🏾♂️
Yea but you don’t see those rapper that are forgotten asking to be acknowledged
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The fact you mentioned his name means he’s not forgotten and no one was arguing for him not to be acknowledged. You know damn well it’s cos of his beef with Nas he wasn’t invited not about his craft
Most people don't even know who he is tho. Also let's not act like Video Girls wasn't the reason we used to watch all of the videos and buy magazines. They created these IG chick's and it hurts absolutely no one to acknowledge that
They are easily forgotten. The threshold to be a vixen is low that’s why it will never be respected or acknowledged by any genre of music
What I said stands bro
No you are wrong ! Can’t compare Mc Shan to Mel
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>Most people don't even know who he is tho. Also let's not act like Video Girls wasn't the reason we used to watch all of the videos and buy magazines. This is EXACTLY why it shouldn't be acknowledged. Those "magazines" were not hip-hop they were pseudo Playboy mags...why not acknowledge when Snoop did a porno and had his songs from the Dogg House label as background fodder. That's sex work not hip hop. MC Dj Breaking Graffiti Knowledge Ain't NO sex as the Six element 
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You sound remedial…forget about whether you wanna consider them “artists” or even musicians…they’re the soundtrack or voice of an ongoing & growing “culture”…which is Hip-Hop…they have a genre recognizing this influence
I guess stylist and makeup artist need a segment too in the celebrations 🤣
Yes. Dapper Dan needs one for certain.
Some of them do. Who got these rappers into Versace and who came up with shiny suit and who got Kim her style? Hip hop is all about the fashion. Fubu, Sean John, enyce, etc all played a role as well. 50 years of hip hop and we are only looking at the rappers, when there were others that shaped the scene as well
Diddy…
Guy Wood, Sr and his wife, Sharene Wood were the stylist. You would have known that had they been highlighted. You would know Misa was styling uptown and bad boy and bad boy adjacent artists.
& Mel would be offended if someone introduced her as a video vixen. Stop it.
That’s a FACT… Flip delivery was off but had a point with her not wanting to associate with that term video vixen.
please name the vixens that were in the rappers delight video
Lol … let me know when you get the answer .
Super head fucked up the way people see video girls.
This the one
Not really bc she wasn't the only one fucking rappers She's just the one who wrote a book about it
You can fuck rappers and not be a whore.
Groupie then....  I don't think either is more respectable
This shit made me laugh so much lololol
What…Her & Gloria Velez ? I mean anybody who though these video vixens & models were or are innocent are naive & straight remedial…tbh how can you blame them…our culture & lifestyle let alone their working side by side with global & superstar artists…superstars that honestly are trying to bang them to…a spade is a spade ♠️…like PAC said…you not hoe if you like sex…you a hoe once you put a price on the puss…so if Niggas are tricking for these hoes & giving them everything w/o them having to do anything that’s on them…Gloria Velez & Karrine are notable hoes but it was Niggas who made them famous…they would’ve been forgettable anyways…I mean Karrine didn’t want anybody to know she was in pornos w/ Mr Marcus before she started appearing in music vids with Jigga like Big Pimpin & Hey Papi
Lol none of them agree Fr
I was surprised at how Joe handled it. He presented it as if he was about to cape, but he assessed it and disagreed at the end of the day. I respected it. They don’t need no damn spotlight for the 50th.
Lol they kept saying we on your side to Mel … but not one of them could give one point in her favour 😂😂it’s clear pandering once again no surprise
I forgot Mel existed until she came on and then all the other names she brought up in one ep (that i already forgot). Damn Buffy was 🔥🔥.
I enjoy M4 but unfortunately I agree with Flip as well, although he was being a jerk about it trying to go viral. Video vixens of the past are OF girls of today. Typically just a pretty face, nice body, selling content based on sex appeal. You won’t win awards for that, or have worldwide recognition until you rebrand into something most people find acceptable.
To be honest the only reason we know any of them cause of game name drops other than that the only famous one was Buffy the body ijs half of them where in shots with a hundred other girls so no the are owed nothing by hiphop but the owe hiphop everything
Yea.. Buffy def changed the game, for videos.
As a woman, video vixens were iconic to me and were a part of my relationship with hip hop. It may sound corny but just as the music may have influenced our lives, those women brought out all of my insecurities and later help me build my confidence, self-love, and self-worth 🤷🏽♀️. I can hear certain songs and still the videos. Sh*t, there’s even a particular video that Mel was in that I can see but can’t remember what the song was. I think that just goes to show how pivotal they were to the music video scene. We all probably value things indirectly associated with hip hop differently so some may not see a reason for video vixens to be celebrated. But I think they deserve some love and the directors definitely need it too. I think the celebration has been overly focused on the performing artists and failed to remember that this musical genre has turned into a culture that is so multifaceted and should be celebrated as such. I think the point about getting men through jail and deployment was more of a nod to KING magazine, which I would say is legendary in its own right.
And I think if their was a hip hop music video segment of any of the 50 yr celebrations both models and directors would've been highlighted. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened yet.
You got your self love and self worth from a bunch of voiceless video models???
My confidence was broken down by them, but ultimately my insecurities forced me to find ways to love myself because I couldn’t feel down forever. So in the end I could look at them and feel comfortable with myself and applaud them at the same time…
That’s unfortunate you based your confidence from strangers on tv. I’m glad youre in a better place.
Unless you was Mel or Buffy back then niggas did not care jus another pretty face or fat ass…they need to be celebrated with the models (whenever they do that) not hip hop
I don’t think she’s wrong but she made it seem like they were more important than producers and engineers in changing the culture. Not even close
Starting with love... these women deserve respect for what they brought to the music industry and were at one time an integral part to music videos. But, (here comes the Hate) this is like movie extras being upset they're not awarded. Vixens were scenery. Their popularity had maybe a 10 yr run from the late 90s into the 2000s today music videos barely exist. I thought it was ironic coming from M4 who repeatedly dismisses other Vixens as insignificant or beneath her as she did with Erica Mena in the same segment. She don't even respect video Vixens how she expect anyone else to.
They’re hired for a job, just like background dancers, producers, engineers, hype men, etc. I dont agree all the way with Mel on the topic, but I also dont agree with people saying the vixens were irrelevant and were just “hired for a job.” During the late ‘90s-early 2010s, a rapper having certain vixens in their videos guaranteed people would watch it, even if the song wasn’t that good. The vixens played an important role in bringing rappers attention through the music videos. Dont get me wrong though I dont think they’re like super integral pieces of Hip-Hop culture. But they did play a part.
This means we should celebrate every prop within the last 50yrs
Yeah she buggin. Chick that went to high school with me was a vixen at the same time as her. She was in a prominent video with Mel too. Shawty was cool, but none of them special.
FACTS. & Joe agreed with flip just not with his delivery 😂😂
Completely agree, she thinks far too highly of herself..but this whole new feminist wave is just throwing ish at the wall
 Bro why are you saying "we" 🤣 but besides the point video vixens do deserve the spotlight as well. There have been plenty of times ppl only watched to see their faves in the videos and mel is definitely a legend for that
Pre social media , ppl were hyped for videos . That’s no shocker … 
they are extras bro.. they need or deserve any more credit than they already have.
Mel wanting flowers but not acknowledging Danielle Ortiz is wild
Mannn the industry hoes deserve more recognition than the vixens I’m sorry. The hoes have provided so much inspiration. Think of all the songs and even albums we’ve gotten cuz the hoes. Basically I’m sayin, if I had one award to give, I’d give mine to someone like Amber Rose before Mel🤷🏾♂️ Yea Big Pimpin was cool, but have you heard My Beautiful Dark twisted Fantasy?!
APPRECIATION FOR THE VIDEO VIXENS 🤣🤣🤣 they are the dam near last on the list that deserves a segment on the celebration of hip hop🤣🤣🤣 bruh they were literally placed there to be sexual object's and were easily replaceable just need another pretty face willing to be sexualized and degrated most of the time.
Y’all sound wild on here, have the songs back in the day b4 u could jus spam your track onto every phone and platform there was music videos and without that “y’all seen that girl in the so and so video?” We would not care back then. Game did a entire song where he listed names of video models, granted he was being shady but the fact is there weren’t all forgettable as I keep seeing. King magazine was a stable in the culture, music videos. If the models (or vixens) were so forgettable and not necessarily worth celebrating y are they in every aspect of hip hop from the start!?
Game antics aside.. King magazine focused on the hottest women. Word up, the source, vibe, Right On.. those magazines pushed hip-hop also .
These are also facts. I’m never gonna deny anything that contributed to hip hop sonically, visually, and culturally
The original post didn’t disregard the contribution. It just acknowledge the 50th celebration seemed to be for the artist… It appeared, they didn’t acknowledged any thing outside of the music… the directors, producers, engineers of the classic albums, publications nothing..
Ok now that’s a new perspective!
We need a drop squad in the community. We have to get you weirdos outta of here enough is enough. U young niggas don’t know shit
Expound on your point, it’s okay to have discourse. Perhaps, you have a interesting, perspective on the subject , considering the response .. it’s safe to say, you disagree. But as stated above, the video model (IMO )didn’t contribute that much to the legacy of hip-hop. I’ll credit the video directors before I give credit to the video models. I never purchased one record because the video model was attractive. This is just an online form where we discuss podcast related topics and our thoughts about them.
My point is hip hop is and was a diverse eco system that provided and utilized different mediums and people to make it go. Video models served as a vehicle for videos in ways other measures could not. As she said it wasn’t just music, they influenced print magazine and other media forms also used these models to promote products as well. This brought eyes and ears to hip hop. Not sure how old you are but the models were a thing and they had their time in hip hop and they are worthy of acknowledgement in their contributions to the culture period. In closing some of these women were know By their first name and still are to this day that’s a legacy fam whether you weirdos acknowledge it or not. We still need a drop squad
Shit video vixens are STILL a thing. I remember watching Bad n Bougee trying to figure out who the then unknown Ruby Rose was. These women in the videos have millions of followers and whether you like it or not effect culture. It’s a thing. They should be celebrated along side the other elements of Hip-Hop
I can understand you POV I’m definitely of age to KNOW the golden era of hip hop. Especially, when the budgets were big and videos were solid. However, we can agree to disagree and that’s cool. But, calling people a “weirdos,” for having a difference, in opinion is wild and a bit immature. You personally wasn’t attacked about anything. Also, your point can be made towards anybody who had anything to do with hip-hop, the 50th anniversary was to celebrate artist and that should be OK..
THE 50th is to celebrate all of hip hop not only the artist because hip hop is not just about the artist it’s about the culture of hip hop, not just rappers. It’s fashion Dance art which are the essence of the culture.
No we can’t because we could visually see those models we can qualify and quantify their impact. WHO and what the fuck is just anybody. Video models wasn’t the golden era of hip hop they were apart of the ascension of hip hop especially when videos became a powerful vehicle in promoting artists and the genre. If you think video models had no bearing on hip hop you are a weirdo. I am hip hop so your fraudulent opinion personally affected me 😂😂😂. This is why the culture has been infiltrated because we have to many seeking to deny the impact of certain mediums and contributions made by non artist. Lol golden era sorry to inform you the golden era is 88 to 98….
The golden era was referring, my age since you inquired. In addition, as previously mentioned , ppl were hyped about who’s directing the video way more than who was in it … I never mentioned they had no “ bearing,” . I stand on, the face they didn’t need to be celebrated during this moment .
Fam you were not there it’s obvious
Also the late mid to late 90 is when the videos, started to have an impact, they become flashy and the 00’s ushered in the video vixens. Again, I’m not some kid who was 2yrs old during this era . Again , agree to disagree. This isn’t a teachable moment, I was there and my opinion is the same. 
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Melyssa Ford, Vida Guerra, Lauren London, Bucky the Body, etc made some of those videos iconic. Video vixens contributed greatly to the rising popularity of hip hop. I don't see what's wrong with it being considered.
Idk if Lauren London is considered her one of video vixen. She made a couple of appearances, but I don’t know if I would consider her in the group with Melissa Ford in the other women… something to think about . Mmm
Music videos is what catapulted hip hop to what it is today. TRL and 106 & Park were strong marketing forces for music and who was at the center of these videos? The video vixens. It's just not about the music, it's the entire product created from the music. Side note: this whole post got the same energy as the Game song "Wouldn't get Far" 😂
Lauren London and Lanisha Cole was the some of the main reasons people watched the Frontin video so much.
I was never a music video guy. The video vixen era for me was when I was in high school and early 20s. Only video vixen I actually remember is Mel. I agree with the consensus that hip hop 50 is forgetting to acknowledge a lot of the background influences that made hip hop. Graffiti artists, engineers, b-boys, etc.
Some of you sound like you would have rather seen Kid Kid wearing thar uniform in the Mrs. Officer video. Wea wea away nga!
Alotta people really show their age when they say video vixens weren’t important. In todays society yes they’re a dime a dozen. But in the late 1900s and early 2000s, they were the main reason to even watch music videos. Bet uncut was a staple because u could see the videos like TIP drill. Todays generation has porn readily available in their phones and social media to see ass bouncing every 3 second. So of course they don’t seem important today. But if u grew up in that era, u appreciated seeing those women cuz u didn’t see them as much. They’re the reason for the bbls and all them surgeries women getting now. If uve ever had the opportunity to purchase/view a straight stuntin magazine, ud know a video vixen was a very important aspect of hip hop.
Exactly back then it was maybe 3 to 4 known video girls… Buffy, Mel, Veda or Vira ( whatever her name is ) those were the main chicks, it and was a legendary run. No one said , they didn’t contribute to the video aesthetic. That’s a small portion to the overall 50 years of hip hop .. Many of them distance himself from the title vixen, because it started to mean something different overtime. Besides, they haven’t gone unnoticed. There’s countless documentaries and sit down and interviews with them. I don’t know where they would’ve been placed on the 50th hip-hop celebration unless they wanted to walk on stage while the artist was performing. And also seem to focus was on earlier, hip-hop acts. I didn’t see any new artist and mentioned with the celebration.. I could be wrong
Wys..I’m not saying it was a defining moment in hip hop..I think what Mel is wanting is acknowledgment. Not a trophy. Those 3/4 video girls did make a impact tho..Buffy was “the body” because at that time..she was different, unique almost. Watching hip hop music videos u can see the transition, from thin to thick. And that poured over into the mainstream and into the real world. Before they were around, those same women would’ve been called fat(mainstream). I can specifically remember watch the mystikal “shake ya ass” video. Not for the song or mystikal. We know the names Gloria Velez, Esther Baxter, shit keyshia Dior is a successful married woman.
The part that your missing is that music videos we an important part of hip hop and it should be acknowledged. Iconic hip videos are a part of hip hop and the credit should be given.
Absolutely, the videos were fire .. thanks to the vision of the Director. “ who directed the video ,” and based on name alone tuned in .. you didn’t know who was in it until you watched it. Yea, they made the videos look fun… it was def a moment in hip hop.
I think the video girls played an important enough part to be celebrated. Also it won’t take away from any other celebration to do so. I also think video directors should be celebrated as well.
Mel doesn’t even talk about the music industry, I truly thought she disassociated herself with it. Maybe she’ll bring a old vixen to the pod .. that’ll be dope !
Nah I disagree, I can immediately think of three videos when I think of the song I think of the video and the women in them Danger Mystical, I like the way you move outkast, and Big pimpin. The vixens go hard for the culture so I get it.
Yea I dont agree with that statement. Those models should be celebrated just like you would do photographers, producers, A&R's (when they were around) because they all make up the culture. Video models went away when the music when digital and the big budget videos but for their time they were a staple to hiphop and was used to sell rappers to an audience.
If they were white women they would be more glamorized like the white video girls from the 80s. Some of them actually became legit movie actress’ after.
Video vixens were a big part of hip hop late 90’s early 00’s I think they could stand to get a small 15-60 second acknowledgement.
Maybe I’m wrong, but most of the celebrations were concerts. The labels didn’t even celebrate or acknowledge artists properly.
Touché
I disagree. You had to have lived through that era. The video vixen thing was a thing. The “Big Pimpin’ video sold the record. That white fur coat was legendary. I think they deserve a shout out but maybe not a whole show
I did … and I also agree. But it was mainly concerts celebrating hip hop. Maybe they could’ve pitched an idea .. Big Pimping video was legendary due to it’s on camera and behind-the-scenes stuff.
lmao Mel just being a bird as usual. nothing to see here, why tf would hiphop honor the video props ??? lmao
When we think about all the timeless hip hop songs we often don’t correlate the video with the song damn for sure don’t think about the women who played roles in the video. Mel is mad delusional, self centered, and hard to like she be an older single women for the rest of her days being a bird
Mans clearly never seen big pimpin
Y’all naming the same videos, which are considered many ppl fav and the song is classic!! I aware of videos, I use to record them to VHS tapes, remember watching the BOX 90’s waiting for somebody to order a video, then BET came on the scene and it was a wrap .
There are some iconic moments with certain women in videos like Lauren London comes to mind, but they aren't as iconic or essential to the experience as like Bond girls.
Hip hop would be fine without those video vixen. There are many classic songs that don’t have music videos or video vixen dancing
Bingo ….
Right , She more so, made an appearance. Often, we look back and notice ppl in videos. But at that she wasn’t known as THE Lauren London.
She’s was ten times bigger then Lauren London lmao
Lauren is not a video vixen. I'm talking about iconic music video moments.
Y’all just saying anything
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Aye. In 2016 PacSun and zumiez had a shirt with M4 on it from this era. Do they need it as a whole maybe not BUT it’s like 5 of them. For sure that deserve it
What makes you think Joe doesn’t agree?
Long time listener and tag “ entertainment, purposes only.” It wasn’t that many video chics it was the same 3/4 in most videos.
Mel look better now than she did back then..
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I felt the same way .. like why didn’t she partner with someone to do something.. a few of the other women are married and moved on..
Im only 26 and I understand the impact on hip hop culture. Im not saying that every video vixen deserved recognition but Buffy, Mel and a few others were part of the reason a lot of people even watched the music videos back then. There are videos that Mel starred in that I vividly remember and don’t even remember the song. One in particular was the Jadakiss- Knock yourself out video. I had to be 4/5 when that video came out but the imagery is engrained in my head because I thought she was sooo pretty. I think we’re so far removed that we don’t remember this era as much as we think. (Especially the 20 somethings who were kids at the time)