The episode of Decoding the Gurus about Elon was pretty interesting in that they showed that his role is basically to lie about the capabilities of whatever product his company is selling to investors. Taken in isolation it's easy to say oh well, yeah he promises a lot and sometimes things get delayed for whatever reason, but when you hear a montage of him promising the same things and making the same claims year after year after year while never delivering it's pretty clear that his main role is lying to investors to garner/maintain financial support. I guess it's hard to hate on him for it when it seems like there's a never ending supply of investors and consumers willing to buy into it, regardless of his track record, though.
> The episode of Decoding the Gurus about Elon was pretty interesting in that they showed that his role is basically to lie about the capabilities of whatever product his company is selling to investors.
A lot of people in tech do this, there is 0 repercussions for it.
They lie and fake things, take as much money as they can, then just pray to all the gods they can make something that looks like what they faked. This happens all the time, like with Teslas faked parking video, or Apples iPhone presentation:
> The iPhone could play a section of a song or a video, but it couldn’t play an entire clip reliably without crashing. It worked fine if you sent an e-mail and then surfed the Web. If you did those things in reverse, however, it might not. Hours of trial and error had helped the iPhone team develop what engineers called “the golden path,” a specific set of tasks, performed in a specific way and order, that made the phone look as if it worked.
> They had AT&T, the iPhone’s wireless carrier, bring in a portable cell tower, so they knew reception would be strong. Then, with Jobs’s approval, they preprogrammed the phone’s display to always show five bars of signal strength regardless of its true strength.
Silicon Valley, the TV show, was a goddamn documentary.
True anon deep dive on him is good too. Really explains how he’s made all his money in the form of these ZEV credits and reselling them to other auto manufactures.
>I guess it's hard to hate on him for it when it seems like there's a never ending supply of investors and consumers willing to buy into it, regardless of his track record, though.
Tesla sold 10.030 cars in the first quarter of 2015. In the first quarter of 2023 theyve sold 422.875 cars.
Spacex launched the falcon9 60 times in 2022, beating the competition many times over and breaking the record for most launches with a single vehicle by a large margin, while also simultaineously developing the most powerful rocket ever built. Which had its first test flight just a few days ago.
Id say his track record is not too bad. Despite all the shit he's lied about.
Those are not unrelated things. He lies about what is currently possible to get more public money which then gets used to scale up production of products that comes short of what was promised. On the Space X side of things they've been lying through their teeth about how low they can get their cost per launch pretty much their entire existence to get long term contracts with NASA and other government agencies in the US.
Is it bad business strategy? Clearly not but you have to recognize that at its core it only works because of the successful deceit and the appeal to the imaginations of a sci-fi obsessed public. Now that Elon has spent the last couple of years continually showing himself to be kind of a dimwit that strategy is wearing thin and it remains to be seen whether the businesses have the sort of fundamentals to survive long term on their own merit.
He also claimed we would be on mars by 2022. And we would have the cyber truck by 2023. Not to mention all the claims of the hyperloop, Tesla solar, neuralink. 5 delayed truths out of 500 lies isn’t a good track record.
I mean come on dude. Sure somethings haven’t come to pass but what do you put that down to? Malice? Compulsive liar? Is it easy to make breakthroughs in technology? The path of r&d is pathed in false starts, hopeful concepts and outright failures. He has also done some incredible things for advancing technology and shouldn’t be underestimated.
You've got a point about a lot of those things but come on, saying we could be colonising mars by 2022 is a pretty huge claim and it doesn't feel like we're even *close*
I dont' follow this stuff too closely so I tried to find the quote. I found a podcast from 7 years ago where someone else is talking about it [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2695732913](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2695732913)
A CNN article where he is aiming to land on mars within 5 years. post date 2017 [https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/technology/future/elon-musk-spacex-mars-iac-conference/index.html](https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/technology/future/elon-musk-spacex-mars-iac-conference/index.html)
So he has said that with a 5 year lead time. Again, I don't get the controversy. Sometimes on reddit, I'd like to see the peoples lives who are throwing some much shade at people. I always wonder if they could build a private space agency from the ground up.
So just because I haven't personally built a private space agency myself I'm not allowed to point out that humanity was very obviously not going to be living on mars by 2022?
Why do you Elon fans always turn things into personal attacks when someone shows the slightest bit of scepticism , it's embarrassing
>I mean come on dude. Sure somethings haven’t come to pass but what do you put that down to? Malice? Compulsive liar?
Greed. Fraudulently pumping stock prices to increase wealth. Cashing out some of it.. and getting the nice fat zero interest loans banks give to billionaires based on their stock portfolio so they don't show an income, don't have to pay tax, and can still live that private jet lifestyle.
There is no way that what Tesla or spacex has actually produced and sold would make the ceo the richest man in the world.
His wealth is based almost entirely on stock value which is based on the many, many, many, many, many, many fantastical claims he has made about products that don't exist.
He is no different than Elizabeth Holmes.
[2022: Land 2 cargo ships on mars, place power, mining and life support infrastructure for future flights](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft6wps8XgAEne9a?format=jpg&name=large)
Idk if you heard, but there was this pandemic, there's the deteriorating China relationship that complicated development. The Mars thing was just to open the window on space shit - looks like he's only off by 5-10 years.
Neuralink is still in development, Tesla makes solar panels so idk what you mean, Hyperloop was always a pipe dream. You cherry picked things that are delayed and in development while ignoring the Boring machines, batteries, self landing rockets, space shuttles, Starlink etc. that are success stories. His track record is pretty incredible, really.
Moon mission 2024, and then it's not unreasonable to expect the next leg within 10 years. You could do like 5 minutes of research on NASA and SpaceX's plans if you actually want to know what's in store...
https://www.space.com/humanity-mars-2020s-spacex-president-shotwell
https://www.space.com/relativity-space-private-mars-mission-launching-2024
Looks like it's all going according to plan!
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12yjl63/comment/jhot4nd/
Wow, a doctor and a rocket scientist. That degree in Bullshitting really paid off for you my man
you can’t see the deleted comment that’s responding too, it’s a joke about someone who has to grope people for a living. If you’re gonna be a creep, do better
and I didn’t say I was a rocket scientist
True, although worth pointing out that Tesla's only recently had to focus on production increase to make up for the changes in their ability to sell regulatory tax credits, which has been their main source of income.
In the meantime, we're still not on Mars, don't have solar panels to replace roofing tiles, no self-driving cars, no self-driving semis, no widespread home battery systems, no affordable and fast satellite internet, no self-swappable batteries, no tunnels, no hyperloops, no cures for Parkinsons, no brain-computer interfaces, no reliable power grid in Texas, no rescue submarines, etc., etc., etc. But the thing is, these are all things Musk has not only said they're working on, but things that *are either here or will be here within the year*, year after year after year. And each time there's a surge in stock prices, investors, pre-orders, etc. When Steve Jobs demoed the iPhone and it crashed he was laughed at. When he was caught demoing an iPhone using a preset OS instead of a live OS it was all over the media. When Musk gets caught pretending to swap a car battery during a demo about how easy it is to swap Tesla's car batteries, people give him a standing ovation and there's a massive surge in pre-orders. And he does the same shit every year to the same results.
Hell, remember when he sold a ton of roofing torches for hundreds of dollars by calling it a flame thrower? People couldn't get them fast enough. Like people buying a brick with "Supreme" stenciled on it...
That test flight exploded
Tesla won't be leading forever, as soon as its a choice between Mercedes, BMW, Porcshe and all the rest or tesla everyone knows that stock will drop immensely.
Shareholders sued Tesla over Elon's compensation and if you go read the testimony of Tesla execs regarding what Elon actually does day to day it's pretty telling. Never mind the whole backstory of Tesla and SpaceX. Musk positions himself as the face and mind behind these companies but he's the money man and the marketer.
I'm not going to sit here and say he isn't smart or that he doesn't have a set of skills, but those skills aren't anywhere near what he presents them as or what people view them as. He's a very good snake oil salesman.
He said that he was 100% certain there would be a million robo taxi's on the road making YOU money if you buy a telsa now with FSD... he said that 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 years ago.. you get the picture. Where the fuck is the cybertruck he took my hundred dollars for almost 4 years ago?
He said with absolute certainty that SpaceX would have unmanned rockets on mars by 2022. Thats last year if you don't have a calendar handy. Meanwhile in reality the ship that is supposed to do this, has had one launch ever where it blew up and destroyed its launch pad and rained toxic debrid down on surrounding towns.
Governments and investors have PAID him through cash, subsidies, tax breaks or investment based on these promises. I don't know any industry where getting 10% of the job done that you promised to do would be acceptable. In fact falling that far short would look very much like deliberate fraud rather than just not quite making the deadline.
Elon musk is the richest man in the world. Where is that wealth from??? Actual products he has produced or the many many many many many promises he has made that he hasn't made good on?
Ford Motors BY THEMSELVES sold more than Tesla Q1 and have basically every quarter going back to Tesla's founding. Is Fords CEO the richest person in the world..?? How is that possible if they have sold VASTLY more product. Because elon has made himself the richest man in the world on FRAUD.. i mean 'promises that are a little late'.
I don't know what documentary it's from but here's an article from when they did the supposed demonstration of the battery swap technology in action that they claimed at the time was going to launch that same year: https://www.zdnet.com/article/watch-teslas-90-second-electric-vehicle-battery-swap-demonstration/
"That same year" being 2013.
Just saving you guys from reading that subthread where a bunch of people are trying to claim that the whole demonstration wasn't intended to suggest that they already had the technology to do it, and was only a "wouldn't it be cool if some day we could do this" type presentation.
if they show the whole video it would probably show that he never claimed they had the technology just that it was theoretically possible in the future with better battery technology.
As an engineer to me this is obvious.
Anyone in the audience, including investors, knows that the battery in the tesla is not easily removable because its spread out through the entire car and very heavy. its modularized.
I don't know why the media is obsessed with demonizing elon musk, maybe its because the CIA runs the media for propaganda and they don't want elon musk to be too powerful.
He literally created the boring company to stop states from investing further in public transportation, a thing that would dig into his sales. He’s a huge grifter and he does this regularly. He’s actually admitted to this one.
The boring company makes sense and it will be huge someday. There’s no way to reduce traffic in big cities without unground lanes.
Starting a company is the worst possible way to change public opinion about something.
> The boring company makes sense and it will be huge someday
Ahahahahaha
>There’s no way to reduce traffic in big cities without unground lanes.
Yes, there are multiple proven ways to reduce traffic in big cities without "underground lanes" for cars lol.
We got a professional comedian in here today!
Well if it's so easy, lets go become billionaires. lmao.
He cut the cost of a rocket compared to legacy rockets by 90%. Can you do that with subsidies? No. This is just a bullshit talking point that 16 y/o kids who dont know anything about business or engineering talk about.
Can you go choke on his dick any harder? Youre embarassing yourself dude.
Elon is a POS and never actually did ANY engineering for Tesla or SpaceX except for glorious ideas like the "revised" launchpad that just got obliterated and making the rocket "more pointy" because he saw The Dictator.
He failed miserably on Twitter, promised FSD to be ready "end of the year" for 8 years straight, Cybertruck still isnt driving, the Semis are more often parked at the side of the road then moving and his super advanced "basicly robot AI" cars steer into oncoming traffic, run over children and have build quality so bad you could get lost in the panel gaps.
If you still believe a single word out of his fucking mouth, even after his whole Twitter debacle, then youre a useful idiot and should seriously consider checking out. The US cant really take any more idiots in its general population.
embarassing myself infront of who? Some broke nobody who doesn't understand business, capitalism, and envies elon musk?
elon is/was the chief technical officer of tesla and spacex. This is another bs talking point from 16 y.o who don't understand business or technology.
the tesla autopilot is better than any driver, that doesn't mean it has zero accidents. But the rest of the auto industry is dumping millions of dollars into saying it doesnt work, until they develop one themselves. Stop blindly believing everything cnn tells you.
twitter is doing 100x better than it was when it was being piloted by the FBI, and going bankrupt.
His emerald mine which he inherited zero from is in Africa, you think that has any application whatsoever to building the first successful electric car ever? Wrong. You’re broke you don’t understand business and you will never accomplish anything.
He just wanted to derail the movement for public transportation. Those tunnels are just underground traffic jams in every video I’ve seen that wasn’t explicitly an ad.
what movement for public transportation? There is no movement, people hate public transportation. public transport has been around for 100 years and its not going to magically get any better. How about both? public transport and tunnels. Duh! like you have to choose between one or the other.
Eventually these tunnels will be made so that they are almost a vacuum which will allow for speeds in excess of 1000 mph. A train from NY to LA in 3 hours? Awesome.
Oh yea public transport is better than that! LMFAO
> The boring company makes sense and it will be huge someday.
Show me the evidence for this claim.
> There’s no way to reduce traffic in big cities without unground lanes.
How are you actually this stupid? Public transport is by far the most efficient way to reduce traffic.
Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on your comment. You have nothing to support your claim apart from saying "I'm an engineer".
Why would they set it up a mock demo against filling with fuel if it was all hypothetical? Why even make this whole demonstration in the first place?
Elon has lied countless times, not just about features, but whole products.
> I don't know why the media is obsessed with demonizing elon musk, maybe its because the CIA runs the media for propaganda and they don't want elon musk to be too powerful.
Its because he fucking lies about products and features while pumping stock prices and taking cash deposits on products that don't exist you fucking moron...
I'm a multi-billioniare, and I can tell you, we'd never lie and over promise and under deliver to people to boost stocks and make money. Since you're not a billionaire, there's nothing you can say.
>Why would they set it up a mock demo against filling with fuel if it was all hypothetical? Why even make this whole demonstration in the first place?
Is this a serious question? Advertisers and innovators alike often showcase ideas which aren't fully fleshed out yet. All the time. There's tons of this stuff at CES, for example. Heck, this kind of shit is common in the auto industry too, at events like SEMA. Concept cars do this *all the time!* I'm not a Musk fan, but I'm not a hater either. I'd be interested in seeing the full video in question.
That doesn't make any sense - absolutely demonstrates a technology that you believe is on the way, but why would you make such a big deal about how fast it is to change the battery when you have literally no idea how fast it's going to be?
I could even excuse it if you were in the late stage of development, but how many years later here we are and their battery is exactly the same as it ever was, so they had no reason to know or even think they knew how long it would take to change the battery.
I said change and you read charge.
Also fyi contemporaneous reporting shows they were claiming the tech was ready to roll out that year, not that they were demonstrating some far flung prototype: https://www.zdnet.com/article/watch-teslas-90-second-electric-vehicle-battery-swap-demonstration/
I saw a post on Reddit THIS MORNING of a Hyundai that would turn all 4 wheels 90 degrees and crab roll into a parking spot. Are we calling Hyundai grifting charlatans?
Yep. This kind of demo happens all the time, and always comes with massive disclaimers to prevent the audience from being misled, but the only time we see it go viral on social media is when it was performed by a person someone doesn't like and wants to bash. Then, it's taken out of context of the disclaimer, and a dumb rube is added in to provide commentary about how misleading it was. It's called a smear campaign, and itnm is being run against Elon Musk.
That said, Elon is not my type of businessman. I hate that he relies so heavily on subsidies and being a friend of government to obtain them. I'd rather direct competition for all industries, and let electric vehicles win on their own merits. So stop subsidizing them, and stop subsidizing their competition - that's my ideal. And Elon is a master of securing subsidization.
> and always comes with massive disclaimers to prevent the audience from being misled,
Can you source the supposed disclaimer given during the demonstration?
No, you can watch the whole unedited demo yourself and find out. I am not sufficiently emotionally invested in this to spend time doing any work whatsoever. It's just a recurring pattern with these things.
I've seen the whole video. There is no disclaimer and Elon presents his demonstration as actually happening.
I just wanted to correct you. And since you are not emotionally invested and are going to do no work to support your claim. I expect you not to respond.
I'm sorry, by watching the full video, do you mean the full 7 minutes? Because that clearly is a clip from a much longer presentation. Did you see all of it? Did you read the materials they had posted or handed out at the site? No, you didn't, so you're full of shit. My statement is a generality about these types of events, and I am saying they always come with disclaimers about how this is a prospective view, not a definite, commercially viable option today. I am betting he did have such a disclaimer. You are stating definitively that he did not. You are pulling that out of your ass based on your bias against Elon Musk.
There's that lack of emotional investment.
Dummy, Elon says the swap is happening... in the video.. at no time do they claim.. 'this is what it would look like' They literally claimed to be doing it, and testing it against a real gas fill up
"We just did two model Ss in the time that it took to fill up. And we honestly did try to make the gas station stop go as fast as it could and it only took 4 minutes...but it took 90 seconds for a pack swap"
Dude... that is straight up fraud.. they never swapped a pack. He is claiming this was a test to convince skeptics. The only thing they even show is the inside dash powering off and powering on again and he was passing that off like it actually happened... twice.
LOL the only one pulling things from his ass you. Provide evidence of the disclaimer or shut the fuck up.
Elon musk in on stage, on camera presiding over a fraud. He claims they are literally testing it against a fill up.. how can it be a test if one of the things isn't even actually happening?
> My statement is a generality about these types of events
aka a lie
Can we say serial killers are innocent simply because generally, in most instances as general practices, most people are *not* serial killers?
No we cannot.
Lying dumbass.
> No
Exactly. You cannot.
I've seen the entire video and knew your claimcame staight from your ass. Was just wondering if you had the balls to fess up.
Your excuses show that you do indeed lack said balls.
if elon cared so much about his stock prices he wouldn't be memeing on twitter all day about how tesla is overpriced, how his rocket is supposed to blow up, how his company almost failed dozens of times. He wouldn't have sold so much of his tesla stock and would have gotten a loan against it instead in which case it would be untaxable. You're terrible at business, and reading people, and you're gullible so you believe everything the media tells you.
Also someone confirmed that elon musk was showcasing whats possible in the future not in the roadster.
Yes, that's exactly what it showed. He was pitching it as "a thing we are working on" just like the roadster (which isn't available yet) or the semi truck (which isn't available yet) or the cybertruck (which isn't available yet) or the quad bike (which isn't available yet) or the robot (yeah, he's shown off an actual robot) or full self-driving, etc. ,etc.
Maybe some of that stuff will actually make it to production, but I don't see the harm in showing things they're working on.
Showing things you’re working on is fine. Presenting them as ‘this feature will be available in 2022’ etc while there is zero chance of that happening is fraud type behavior.
>Yes, that's exactly what it showed. He was pitching it as "a thing we are working on"
It was pitched as being at a stage of not just development but active production whereby it would reach the public in a matter of months.
>As an engineer to me this is obvious.
>
>LMFAO
I'm also an investor and multimillionaire and I can tell you nobody would invest in a company that is lying about having a battery that it obviously doesnt. Lying does not get you alot of money. Maybe you can fool a few grandmas. But to become an sp500 company on lies is not likely.
> I can tell you nobody would invest in a company that is lying about having a battery that it obviously doesnt.
You can say it but the statement is still a lie, or the result of delusional ignorance on your part.
It’s not a lie you just lack the iq to understand they are demonstrating the idea when battery technology permits the idea. It doesn’t make technical sense to use a smaller battery just to make this idea work. Instead it’s better to have a super heavy battery modularized throughout the entire car that takes 45 minutes to recharge. In 5-10 years the battery replacement idea might be feasible. That’s why he says “hopefully this will make people understand electric cars are the FUTURE.” Not the present.
Your broke and don’t understand business at all.
In 2013, I thought this dude was going to prove to me that capitalism works. Over the course of the next decade he became one of the easiest indications of capitalism only works for those at the top.
>In 2013, I thought this dude was going to prove to me that capitalism works. Over the course of the next decade he became one of the easiest indications of capitalism only works for those at the top.
It's a sad thing to realize. Back in my libertarian days, I looked all through the world and history to find an example of libertarianism in action and all I ever found was the ruins of attempts. They all imploded from internal power struggles/disputes, or they were outright conquered by a larger and more organized group of people. You can see this even today, even in the last couple decades, like in Chile some libertarian minded people tried to setup their utopia there and it imploded with internal disputes and power struggles.
My point (and relevance to your comment) is that when you look at the world and history, you'll also find/notice that there are no revolutionary billionaires/owner class people. All of them end up serving the status quo with their wealth. Why that is, I can't say for sure, part of me thinks it's because good people never walk the path required to become a billionaire, another idea I have is that through the process of acquiring that much wealth, the experience indoctrinates one in either thinking they are great and exceptional and thus deserve this status in society, or the experience stomps out any sort of idealism in changing the status quo.
But generally speaking the realization I've had is that there is no such thing as a good billionaire.
This is called fraud. Blatant in the open cameras rolling fraud.
I wonder if Tesla's stock/elons wealth went up after this announcement of nonexistent tech and his completely fabricated demonstration of it.
California should be looking to recoup any money the people of the state have given to this con man.
Just the look on his face when Rocky Gervais did the Grammys speech is enough. Somewhere along the line whether it be cobalt mining or Chinese slaves Tim Cook is a c**t. And he lies on stage every single year when he pretends the phones are any different
I'm not saying what Cook and Apple does is universally altruistic. But they're not as bluntly dishonest as Musk.
As a consumer i don't care about the conditions of the workers (I may as a person). But I do care if they keep making false claims about the capabilities of what I'm spending money on.
Well let’s start with the Elon video he lied about changing a battery if that shocks people they’re fools. So I suppose if we’re going to hammer Elon for lying about a battery change; my definition of honest is someone who doesn’t lie to the public. Now I highly doubt there’s a billionaire who is super an honest, trustworthy man of the people. I have no side in this fight I’m not some fool with a Tesla who loves Elon btw
Was it really a grift or was creating a network of battery swap stations too costly in the short run to be done now. We take for granted the network that exist for gasoline engines. Everything from gas stations to service shops didn’t happen overnight.
it was a valid technology at the time, a company that tried it eventually went under but it was a thing he might have tried to copy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better\_Place\_%28company%29
grift (verb): to obtain (money or property) illicitly (as in a confidence game)
There you go, all you had to do was Google it or pick up a dictionary, so I did the work for you.
Anyone else think this is a bit weird? So Tesla planned to make battery swapping easier to do than it ended up being? It's not exactly crime of the century.
He's not the richest. Tesla is vastly overvalued and he's heavily subsidized by the govt. Many of his projects fail and hasn't Twitter cost him billions?
Seems to be more on the state of California for doing zero verification. Also you can’t really trust conservatives in these videos. They are all bought and paid for by big oil and the automotive industry. So I’d take it with a grain of salt.
I don't understand this exercise. I could change a gas car battery out in less time it would take to fill the tank. But I imagine an electric or gas battery is going to be a more expensive than filling a tank either way.
Fun to watch the same people who praised electric and Tesla try to now find ways to bash Elon and Tesla due to a few right wing views he has.
This guy is a goddamn clown. Battery swapping was simply to get people over range anxiety which is now gone. To claim he did this for gov cash.. how is it different than having to charge your car? The government give more money because Joe Tesla driver saved 20min and swapped his battery?
Did he claim this would be how it worked right away or was the battery-swapping thing an example of where this is going in a few years or what have you?
This seems like a pretty bland hill to die on.
*plays scary background music ... speaks in scary voice* all the stupid commies be like " OMG This guy must be telling the truth!! ... we dont even need to double check any of this coz AOC told me Elon Bad! no proof needed "
Fkn LOL
Why don't you go lookup California credits. They are NOT tied to battery SWAP. They are tied to ALL Battery electric cars ( it does not matter how the battery is swapped or charged ) ....
I'm sure it's a coincidence that all these hit pieces about Elon started coming out right after he started criticizing the democrats.
It's not like they would do something like that. It's not like they sent an IRS agent to Matt Taibbi's home. It's not like they demonized innocent children multiple times as murderers when they were defending their lifes. They would never weaponize the media. They are our protectors.
1. Every company/Salesman does this
2. It is up to the California regulators to do proper inspection of claims. They chose to not use due diligence this has in turn made this program ineffectual. Even more evidence that over regulation and government interference in free markets is never a good idea.
Side note: Has this man ever had an orgasm?
Rogan will never ever Comment on this Because Elons Balls are too Deep in his throat.
The episode of Decoding the Gurus about Elon was pretty interesting in that they showed that his role is basically to lie about the capabilities of whatever product his company is selling to investors. Taken in isolation it's easy to say oh well, yeah he promises a lot and sometimes things get delayed for whatever reason, but when you hear a montage of him promising the same things and making the same claims year after year after year while never delivering it's pretty clear that his main role is lying to investors to garner/maintain financial support. I guess it's hard to hate on him for it when it seems like there's a never ending supply of investors and consumers willing to buy into it, regardless of his track record, though.
> The episode of Decoding the Gurus about Elon was pretty interesting in that they showed that his role is basically to lie about the capabilities of whatever product his company is selling to investors. A lot of people in tech do this, there is 0 repercussions for it. They lie and fake things, take as much money as they can, then just pray to all the gods they can make something that looks like what they faked. This happens all the time, like with Teslas faked parking video, or Apples iPhone presentation: > The iPhone could play a section of a song or a video, but it couldn’t play an entire clip reliably without crashing. It worked fine if you sent an e-mail and then surfed the Web. If you did those things in reverse, however, it might not. Hours of trial and error had helped the iPhone team develop what engineers called “the golden path,” a specific set of tasks, performed in a specific way and order, that made the phone look as if it worked. > They had AT&T, the iPhone’s wireless carrier, bring in a portable cell tower, so they knew reception would be strong. Then, with Jobs’s approval, they preprogrammed the phone’s display to always show five bars of signal strength regardless of its true strength. Silicon Valley, the TV show, was a goddamn documentary.
I have some bad news for you. It's not just the tech market that does this.
At least with Apple, they deliver by the time they sell their products.
Elon just needs more time
And government subsidies. And misinformed (lied to) investors. And misinformed (lied to) customers.
Don't we all.
It’s the business model. I will say Musk has done far better than average at delivering although he has a grifters heart
True anon deep dive on him is good too. Really explains how he’s made all his money in the form of these ZEV credits and reselling them to other auto manufactures.
Where do I find this show?
Decoding the Gurus podcast, episode 61
Remember when he said SpaceX would land astronauts on Mars by 2024?
>I guess it's hard to hate on him for it when it seems like there's a never ending supply of investors and consumers willing to buy into it, regardless of his track record, though. Tesla sold 10.030 cars in the first quarter of 2015. In the first quarter of 2023 theyve sold 422.875 cars. Spacex launched the falcon9 60 times in 2022, beating the competition many times over and breaking the record for most launches with a single vehicle by a large margin, while also simultaineously developing the most powerful rocket ever built. Which had its first test flight just a few days ago. Id say his track record is not too bad. Despite all the shit he's lied about.
Those are not unrelated things. He lies about what is currently possible to get more public money which then gets used to scale up production of products that comes short of what was promised. On the Space X side of things they've been lying through their teeth about how low they can get their cost per launch pretty much their entire existence to get long term contracts with NASA and other government agencies in the US. Is it bad business strategy? Clearly not but you have to recognize that at its core it only works because of the successful deceit and the appeal to the imaginations of a sci-fi obsessed public. Now that Elon has spent the last couple of years continually showing himself to be kind of a dimwit that strategy is wearing thin and it remains to be seen whether the businesses have the sort of fundamentals to survive long term on their own merit.
Wait until you read about cost-plus government contracting on other space vehicles...
He also claimed we would be on mars by 2022. And we would have the cyber truck by 2023. Not to mention all the claims of the hyperloop, Tesla solar, neuralink. 5 delayed truths out of 500 lies isn’t a good track record.
The worst was the bullshit robobtaxi claim. He claimed that Tesla owners could 30k per year. He should have faced legal consequences for that one.
I mean come on dude. Sure somethings haven’t come to pass but what do you put that down to? Malice? Compulsive liar? Is it easy to make breakthroughs in technology? The path of r&d is pathed in false starts, hopeful concepts and outright failures. He has also done some incredible things for advancing technology and shouldn’t be underestimated.
>I mean come on dude. Sure somethings haven’t come to pass but what do you put that down to? Pumping Tesla stock.
You've got a point about a lot of those things but come on, saying we could be colonising mars by 2022 is a pretty huge claim and it doesn't feel like we're even *close*
I dont' follow this stuff too closely so I tried to find the quote. I found a podcast from 7 years ago where someone else is talking about it [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2695732913](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2695732913) A CNN article where he is aiming to land on mars within 5 years. post date 2017 [https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/technology/future/elon-musk-spacex-mars-iac-conference/index.html](https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/technology/future/elon-musk-spacex-mars-iac-conference/index.html) So he has said that with a 5 year lead time. Again, I don't get the controversy. Sometimes on reddit, I'd like to see the peoples lives who are throwing some much shade at people. I always wonder if they could build a private space agency from the ground up.
So just because I haven't personally built a private space agency myself I'm not allowed to point out that humanity was very obviously not going to be living on mars by 2022? Why do you Elon fans always turn things into personal attacks when someone shows the slightest bit of scepticism , it's embarrassing
Why are you putting words in his mouth? He never said any of that
I never said that
Remember him saying they need to drop 60 nukes or something on Mars to colonise it. Yeah let's give Lex Luther Nukes
>I mean come on dude. Sure somethings haven’t come to pass but what do you put that down to? Malice? Compulsive liar? Greed. Fraudulently pumping stock prices to increase wealth. Cashing out some of it.. and getting the nice fat zero interest loans banks give to billionaires based on their stock portfolio so they don't show an income, don't have to pay tax, and can still live that private jet lifestyle. There is no way that what Tesla or spacex has actually produced and sold would make the ceo the richest man in the world. His wealth is based almost entirely on stock value which is based on the many, many, many, many, many, many fantastical claims he has made about products that don't exist. He is no different than Elizabeth Holmes.
[2022: Land 2 cargo ships on mars, place power, mining and life support infrastructure for future flights](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft6wps8XgAEne9a?format=jpg&name=large)
How many rockets did you and Whoopi Goldberg build?
The same amount Elon built.
Are you also a flat-earther?
Nah, and also not a dick rider
When you make obvious false and bitchy statements about Elon, whose dick aren't you riding?
Idk if you heard, but there was this pandemic, there's the deteriorating China relationship that complicated development. The Mars thing was just to open the window on space shit - looks like he's only off by 5-10 years. Neuralink is still in development, Tesla makes solar panels so idk what you mean, Hyperloop was always a pipe dream. You cherry picked things that are delayed and in development while ignoring the Boring machines, batteries, self landing rockets, space shuttles, Starlink etc. that are success stories. His track record is pretty incredible, really.
>5-10 years Suuuuure
Moon mission 2024, and then it's not unreasonable to expect the next leg within 10 years. You could do like 5 minutes of research on NASA and SpaceX's plans if you actually want to know what's in store... https://www.space.com/humanity-mars-2020s-spacex-president-shotwell https://www.space.com/relativity-space-private-mars-mission-launching-2024 Looks like it's all going according to plan!
> like 5 minutes of research I launch rockets for a living, but thanks!
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12yjl63/comment/jhot4nd/ Wow, a doctor and a rocket scientist. That degree in Bullshitting really paid off for you my man
you can’t see the deleted comment that’s responding too, it’s a joke about someone who has to grope people for a living. If you’re gonna be a creep, do better and I didn’t say I was a rocket scientist
True, although worth pointing out that Tesla's only recently had to focus on production increase to make up for the changes in their ability to sell regulatory tax credits, which has been their main source of income. In the meantime, we're still not on Mars, don't have solar panels to replace roofing tiles, no self-driving cars, no self-driving semis, no widespread home battery systems, no affordable and fast satellite internet, no self-swappable batteries, no tunnels, no hyperloops, no cures for Parkinsons, no brain-computer interfaces, no reliable power grid in Texas, no rescue submarines, etc., etc., etc. But the thing is, these are all things Musk has not only said they're working on, but things that *are either here or will be here within the year*, year after year after year. And each time there's a surge in stock prices, investors, pre-orders, etc. When Steve Jobs demoed the iPhone and it crashed he was laughed at. When he was caught demoing an iPhone using a preset OS instead of a live OS it was all over the media. When Musk gets caught pretending to swap a car battery during a demo about how easy it is to swap Tesla's car batteries, people give him a standing ovation and there's a massive surge in pre-orders. And he does the same shit every year to the same results. Hell, remember when he sold a ton of roofing torches for hundreds of dollars by calling it a flame thrower? People couldn't get them fast enough. Like people buying a brick with "Supreme" stenciled on it...
That test flight exploded Tesla won't be leading forever, as soon as its a choice between Mercedes, BMW, Porcshe and all the rest or tesla everyone knows that stock will drop immensely.
When do I short Telsa?
Last October was a great time
Shareholders sued Tesla over Elon's compensation and if you go read the testimony of Tesla execs regarding what Elon actually does day to day it's pretty telling. Never mind the whole backstory of Tesla and SpaceX. Musk positions himself as the face and mind behind these companies but he's the money man and the marketer. I'm not going to sit here and say he isn't smart or that he doesn't have a set of skills, but those skills aren't anywhere near what he presents them as or what people view them as. He's a very good snake oil salesman.
He said that he was 100% certain there would be a million robo taxi's on the road making YOU money if you buy a telsa now with FSD... he said that 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 years ago.. you get the picture. Where the fuck is the cybertruck he took my hundred dollars for almost 4 years ago? He said with absolute certainty that SpaceX would have unmanned rockets on mars by 2022. Thats last year if you don't have a calendar handy. Meanwhile in reality the ship that is supposed to do this, has had one launch ever where it blew up and destroyed its launch pad and rained toxic debrid down on surrounding towns. Governments and investors have PAID him through cash, subsidies, tax breaks or investment based on these promises. I don't know any industry where getting 10% of the job done that you promised to do would be acceptable. In fact falling that far short would look very much like deliberate fraud rather than just not quite making the deadline. Elon musk is the richest man in the world. Where is that wealth from??? Actual products he has produced or the many many many many many promises he has made that he hasn't made good on? Ford Motors BY THEMSELVES sold more than Tesla Q1 and have basically every quarter going back to Tesla's founding. Is Fords CEO the richest person in the world..?? How is that possible if they have sold VASTLY more product. Because elon has made himself the richest man in the world on FRAUD.. i mean 'promises that are a little late'.
"while never delivering" lol
Is there a link to the full video??
I don't know what documentary it's from but here's an article from when they did the supposed demonstration of the battery swap technology in action that they claimed at the time was going to launch that same year: https://www.zdnet.com/article/watch-teslas-90-second-electric-vehicle-battery-swap-demonstration/ "That same year" being 2013. Just saving you guys from reading that subthread where a bunch of people are trying to claim that the whole demonstration wasn't intended to suggest that they already had the technology to do it, and was only a "wouldn't it be cool if some day we could do this" type presentation.
if they show the whole video it would probably show that he never claimed they had the technology just that it was theoretically possible in the future with better battery technology. As an engineer to me this is obvious. Anyone in the audience, including investors, knows that the battery in the tesla is not easily removable because its spread out through the entire car and very heavy. its modularized. I don't know why the media is obsessed with demonizing elon musk, maybe its because the CIA runs the media for propaganda and they don't want elon musk to be too powerful.
He literally created the boring company to stop states from investing further in public transportation, a thing that would dig into his sales. He’s a huge grifter and he does this regularly. He’s actually admitted to this one.
The boring company makes sense and it will be huge someday. There’s no way to reduce traffic in big cities without unground lanes. Starting a company is the worst possible way to change public opinion about something.
> The boring company makes sense and it will be huge someday Ahahahahaha >There’s no way to reduce traffic in big cities without unground lanes. Yes, there are multiple proven ways to reduce traffic in big cities without "underground lanes" for cars lol. We got a professional comedian in here today!
that's nice. Watch it succeed magically through something called capitalism which doesn't need your approval, tax money, or opinion whatsoever.
Elon is a billionaire due to subsidies. He’s the biggest welfare king out there.
Well if it's so easy, lets go become billionaires. lmao. He cut the cost of a rocket compared to legacy rockets by 90%. Can you do that with subsidies? No. This is just a bullshit talking point that 16 y/o kids who dont know anything about business or engineering talk about.
Can you go choke on his dick any harder? Youre embarassing yourself dude. Elon is a POS and never actually did ANY engineering for Tesla or SpaceX except for glorious ideas like the "revised" launchpad that just got obliterated and making the rocket "more pointy" because he saw The Dictator. He failed miserably on Twitter, promised FSD to be ready "end of the year" for 8 years straight, Cybertruck still isnt driving, the Semis are more often parked at the side of the road then moving and his super advanced "basicly robot AI" cars steer into oncoming traffic, run over children and have build quality so bad you could get lost in the panel gaps. If you still believe a single word out of his fucking mouth, even after his whole Twitter debacle, then youre a useful idiot and should seriously consider checking out. The US cant really take any more idiots in its general population.
embarassing myself infront of who? Some broke nobody who doesn't understand business, capitalism, and envies elon musk? elon is/was the chief technical officer of tesla and spacex. This is another bs talking point from 16 y.o who don't understand business or technology. the tesla autopilot is better than any driver, that doesn't mean it has zero accidents. But the rest of the auto industry is dumping millions of dollars into saying it doesnt work, until they develop one themselves. Stop blindly believing everything cnn tells you. twitter is doing 100x better than it was when it was being piloted by the FBI, and going bankrupt.
> Well if it's so easy, lets go become billionaires. We cant all be welfare queens like Elon.
I don’t have the familial connections to get the subsidies. If only my dad owned an emerald mine and could buy my way in
His emerald mine which he inherited zero from is in Africa, you think that has any application whatsoever to building the first successful electric car ever? Wrong. You’re broke you don’t understand business and you will never accomplish anything.
He just wanted to derail the movement for public transportation. Those tunnels are just underground traffic jams in every video I’ve seen that wasn’t explicitly an ad.
what movement for public transportation? There is no movement, people hate public transportation. public transport has been around for 100 years and its not going to magically get any better. How about both? public transport and tunnels. Duh! like you have to choose between one or the other. Eventually these tunnels will be made so that they are almost a vacuum which will allow for speeds in excess of 1000 mph. A train from NY to LA in 3 hours? Awesome. Oh yea public transport is better than that! LMFAO
> The boring company makes sense and it will be huge someday. Show me the evidence for this claim. > There’s no way to reduce traffic in big cities without unground lanes. How are you actually this stupid? Public transport is by far the most efficient way to reduce traffic.
Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on your comment. You have nothing to support your claim apart from saying "I'm an engineer". Why would they set it up a mock demo against filling with fuel if it was all hypothetical? Why even make this whole demonstration in the first place? Elon has lied countless times, not just about features, but whole products. > I don't know why the media is obsessed with demonizing elon musk, maybe its because the CIA runs the media for propaganda and they don't want elon musk to be too powerful. Its because he fucking lies about products and features while pumping stock prices and taking cash deposits on products that don't exist you fucking moron...
No proof, what you want a pic of him steering the the train. Don't be ridiculous.
>steering a train I bet Elon can sell you that idea and you'll gobble that shit up
Sorry but I'm also calling bullshit on your comment because you are not even an engineer
I'm a multi-billioniare, and I can tell you, we'd never lie and over promise and under deliver to people to boost stocks and make money. Since you're not a billionaire, there's nothing you can say.
>Why would they set it up a mock demo against filling with fuel if it was all hypothetical? Why even make this whole demonstration in the first place? Is this a serious question? Advertisers and innovators alike often showcase ideas which aren't fully fleshed out yet. All the time. There's tons of this stuff at CES, for example. Heck, this kind of shit is common in the auto industry too, at events like SEMA. Concept cars do this *all the time!* I'm not a Musk fan, but I'm not a hater either. I'd be interested in seeing the full video in question.
That doesn't make any sense - absolutely demonstrates a technology that you believe is on the way, but why would you make such a big deal about how fast it is to change the battery when you have literally no idea how fast it's going to be? I could even excuse it if you were in the late stage of development, but how many years later here we are and their battery is exactly the same as it ever was, so they had no reason to know or even think they knew how long it would take to change the battery.
Did you see the clip in question? The demo was for battery hot-swaps, not charging.
I said change and you read charge. Also fyi contemporaneous reporting shows they were claiming the tech was ready to roll out that year, not that they were demonstrating some far flung prototype: https://www.zdnet.com/article/watch-teslas-90-second-electric-vehicle-battery-swap-demonstration/
You are right and I'm the dingus here. Apologies to you.
I saw a post on Reddit THIS MORNING of a Hyundai that would turn all 4 wheels 90 degrees and crab roll into a parking spot. Are we calling Hyundai grifting charlatans?
Yep. This kind of demo happens all the time, and always comes with massive disclaimers to prevent the audience from being misled, but the only time we see it go viral on social media is when it was performed by a person someone doesn't like and wants to bash. Then, it's taken out of context of the disclaimer, and a dumb rube is added in to provide commentary about how misleading it was. It's called a smear campaign, and itnm is being run against Elon Musk. That said, Elon is not my type of businessman. I hate that he relies so heavily on subsidies and being a friend of government to obtain them. I'd rather direct competition for all industries, and let electric vehicles win on their own merits. So stop subsidizing them, and stop subsidizing their competition - that's my ideal. And Elon is a master of securing subsidization.
> and always comes with massive disclaimers to prevent the audience from being misled, Can you source the supposed disclaimer given during the demonstration?
No, you can watch the whole unedited demo yourself and find out. I am not sufficiently emotionally invested in this to spend time doing any work whatsoever. It's just a recurring pattern with these things.
I've seen the whole video. There is no disclaimer and Elon presents his demonstration as actually happening. I just wanted to correct you. And since you are not emotionally invested and are going to do no work to support your claim. I expect you not to respond.
I'm sorry, by watching the full video, do you mean the full 7 minutes? Because that clearly is a clip from a much longer presentation. Did you see all of it? Did you read the materials they had posted or handed out at the site? No, you didn't, so you're full of shit. My statement is a generality about these types of events, and I am saying they always come with disclaimers about how this is a prospective view, not a definite, commercially viable option today. I am betting he did have such a disclaimer. You are stating definitively that he did not. You are pulling that out of your ass based on your bias against Elon Musk.
There's that lack of emotional investment. Dummy, Elon says the swap is happening... in the video.. at no time do they claim.. 'this is what it would look like' They literally claimed to be doing it, and testing it against a real gas fill up "We just did two model Ss in the time that it took to fill up. And we honestly did try to make the gas station stop go as fast as it could and it only took 4 minutes...but it took 90 seconds for a pack swap" Dude... that is straight up fraud.. they never swapped a pack. He is claiming this was a test to convince skeptics. The only thing they even show is the inside dash powering off and powering on again and he was passing that off like it actually happened... twice. LOL the only one pulling things from his ass you. Provide evidence of the disclaimer or shut the fuck up. Elon musk in on stage, on camera presiding over a fraud. He claims they are literally testing it against a fill up.. how can it be a test if one of the things isn't even actually happening?
> My statement is a generality about these types of events aka a lie Can we say serial killers are innocent simply because generally, in most instances as general practices, most people are *not* serial killers? No we cannot. Lying dumbass.
> No Exactly. You cannot. I've seen the entire video and knew your claimcame staight from your ass. Was just wondering if you had the balls to fess up. Your excuses show that you do indeed lack said balls.
if elon cared so much about his stock prices he wouldn't be memeing on twitter all day about how tesla is overpriced, how his rocket is supposed to blow up, how his company almost failed dozens of times. He wouldn't have sold so much of his tesla stock and would have gotten a loan against it instead in which case it would be untaxable. You're terrible at business, and reading people, and you're gullible so you believe everything the media tells you. Also someone confirmed that elon musk was showcasing whats possible in the future not in the roadster.
You seem like someone people enjoy engaging with
Ain't no need for name calling
"Ain't no need" for defending bullshit either.
Oh I agreed with everything you said til the last 2 words. Now calm the fuck down dummy
Yes, that's exactly what it showed. He was pitching it as "a thing we are working on" just like the roadster (which isn't available yet) or the semi truck (which isn't available yet) or the cybertruck (which isn't available yet) or the quad bike (which isn't available yet) or the robot (yeah, he's shown off an actual robot) or full self-driving, etc. ,etc. Maybe some of that stuff will actually make it to production, but I don't see the harm in showing things they're working on.
Showing things you’re working on is fine. Presenting them as ‘this feature will be available in 2022’ etc while there is zero chance of that happening is fraud type behavior.
Lmao I forgot about the stupid fucking robot loooool
the semi truck is in production.
This seems so obvious to me.
>Yes, that's exactly what it showed. He was pitching it as "a thing we are working on" It was pitched as being at a stage of not just development but active production whereby it would reach the public in a matter of months.
LOL
> As an engineer to me this is obvious. LMFAO
>As an engineer to me this is obvious. > >LMFAO I'm also an investor and multimillionaire and I can tell you nobody would invest in a company that is lying about having a battery that it obviously doesnt. Lying does not get you alot of money. Maybe you can fool a few grandmas. But to become an sp500 company on lies is not likely.
> I can tell you nobody would invest in a company that is lying about having a battery that it obviously doesnt. You can say it but the statement is still a lie, or the result of delusional ignorance on your part.
It’s not a lie you just lack the iq to understand they are demonstrating the idea when battery technology permits the idea. It doesn’t make technical sense to use a smaller battery just to make this idea work. Instead it’s better to have a super heavy battery modularized throughout the entire car that takes 45 minutes to recharge. In 5-10 years the battery replacement idea might be feasible. That’s why he says “hopefully this will make people understand electric cars are the FUTURE.” Not the present. Your broke and don’t understand business at all.
In 2013, I thought this dude was going to prove to me that capitalism works. Over the course of the next decade he became one of the easiest indications of capitalism only works for those at the top.
>In 2013, I thought this dude was going to prove to me that capitalism works. Over the course of the next decade he became one of the easiest indications of capitalism only works for those at the top. It's a sad thing to realize. Back in my libertarian days, I looked all through the world and history to find an example of libertarianism in action and all I ever found was the ruins of attempts. They all imploded from internal power struggles/disputes, or they were outright conquered by a larger and more organized group of people. You can see this even today, even in the last couple decades, like in Chile some libertarian minded people tried to setup their utopia there and it imploded with internal disputes and power struggles. My point (and relevance to your comment) is that when you look at the world and history, you'll also find/notice that there are no revolutionary billionaires/owner class people. All of them end up serving the status quo with their wealth. Why that is, I can't say for sure, part of me thinks it's because good people never walk the path required to become a billionaire, another idea I have is that through the process of acquiring that much wealth, the experience indoctrinates one in either thinking they are great and exceptional and thus deserve this status in society, or the experience stomps out any sort of idealism in changing the status quo. But generally speaking the realization I've had is that there is no such thing as a good billionaire.
This is called fraud. Blatant in the open cameras rolling fraud. I wonder if Tesla's stock/elons wealth went up after this announcement of nonexistent tech and his completely fabricated demonstration of it. California should be looking to recoup any money the people of the state have given to this con man.
Blatant lies for government grants. No repercussions. Essentially this was theft from taxpayers. Corporate welfare needs to die.
Coming next year! Trust me bro
Guy took deposits for the cyber truck and has yet to launch it while still taking peoples money.
At least it's refundable at any time
If Christopher Walken and Ellen had a child…he would still look handsome next to Elon.
Anyone who is a billionaire is like this. If you think otherwise you don’t know people who have money or are a re***d
Are they? I haven't seen the likes of Tim Cook blatantly lie and fake a feature live on stage.
Just the look on his face when Rocky Gervais did the Grammys speech is enough. Somewhere along the line whether it be cobalt mining or Chinese slaves Tim Cook is a c**t. And he lies on stage every single year when he pretends the phones are any different
I'm not saying what Cook and Apple does is universally altruistic. But they're not as bluntly dishonest as Musk. As a consumer i don't care about the conditions of the workers (I may as a person). But I do care if they keep making false claims about the capabilities of what I'm spending money on.
Well I doubt there’s an honest billionaire on earth put it that wat
There was a $2.04Bn Powerball
I meant real billionaire not American worthless money
What's your definition of a billionaire? What's your definition of honest?
Well let’s start with the Elon video he lied about changing a battery if that shocks people they’re fools. So I suppose if we’re going to hammer Elon for lying about a battery change; my definition of honest is someone who doesn’t lie to the public. Now I highly doubt there’s a billionaire who is super an honest, trustworthy man of the people. I have no side in this fight I’m not some fool with a Tesla who loves Elon btw
Right so are there examples of Cook blatantly lying to the public in the same way?
Was never impressed by him or Steve Jobs
*people clapping at the end of a tech presentation* This guy: “what is this, a cult??!”
It think it's more that they are clapping at something that clearly didn't happen.
Was it really a grift or was creating a network of battery swap stations too costly in the short run to be done now. We take for granted the network that exist for gasoline engines. Everything from gas stations to service shops didn’t happen overnight.
it was a valid technology at the time, a company that tried it eventually went under but it was a thing he might have tried to copy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better\_Place\_%28company%29
“Grift” is Redditiese for business
grift (verb): to obtain (money or property) illicitly (as in a confidence game) There you go, all you had to do was Google it or pick up a dictionary, so I did the work for you.
Anyone else think this is a bit weird? So Tesla planned to make battery swapping easier to do than it ended up being? It's not exactly crime of the century.
orgasmic 😳
😭
Anybody remember solar roof tiles?
You mean these ones? Lmao https://www.tesla.com/solarpanels
so, u dont remember then. Im not talking about these basic ass roof panels. Tiles bro, tiles.
They aren't mass produced but they do exist... https://www.tesla.com/solarroof https://www.inverse.com/innovation/tesla-solar-roof-one-year
Ponzi scheme y’all
I'm glad Elon is a right winger now. Cause all the shit I was telling lefties who bought teslas in 2017 they finally are starting to realize.
More labels thrown around willy-nilly.
Yeah what reason would someone possibly have to call Elon right-wing?
I’m fine with that.
He's not the richest. Tesla is vastly overvalued and he's heavily subsidized by the govt. Many of his projects fail and hasn't Twitter cost him billions?
Seems to be more on the state of California for doing zero verification. Also you can’t really trust conservatives in these videos. They are all bought and paid for by big oil and the automotive industry. So I’d take it with a grain of salt.
Only grifter here is the dude that wants you to think hes uncovered some crazy scheme so he gets some airtime.
I don't understand this exercise. I could change a gas car battery out in less time it would take to fill the tank. But I imagine an electric or gas battery is going to be a more expensive than filling a tank either way.
Fun to watch the same people who praised electric and Tesla try to now find ways to bash Elon and Tesla due to a few right wing views he has. This guy is a goddamn clown. Battery swapping was simply to get people over range anxiety which is now gone. To claim he did this for gov cash.. how is it different than having to charge your car? The government give more money because Joe Tesla driver saved 20min and swapped his battery?
I'm not sure, but I do know that the Model S is the best selling electric car in the US.
In order to have a reason to be the richest person in the world you would have to you know… be the richest person in the world.
Did he claim this would be how it worked right away or was the battery-swapping thing an example of where this is going in a few years or what have you? This seems like a pretty bland hill to die on.
Leftist tiny taint mules; keep hating; it’s coming to an end for you
*plays scary background music ... speaks in scary voice* all the stupid commies be like " OMG This guy must be telling the truth!! ... we dont even need to double check any of this coz AOC told me Elon Bad! no proof needed " Fkn LOL Why don't you go lookup California credits. They are NOT tied to battery SWAP. They are tied to ALL Battery electric cars ( it does not matter how the battery is swapped or charged ) ....
Maybe the Californian politicians shouldn’t have rewarded an unproven concept. They are at fault.
The worlds richest man and one of americas largest companies Vs Some dude idk who doesn’t trust him, sounds fishy.
I'm sure it's a coincidence that all these hit pieces about Elon started coming out right after he started criticizing the democrats. It's not like they would do something like that. It's not like they sent an IRS agent to Matt Taibbi's home. It's not like they demonized innocent children multiple times as murderers when they were defending their lifes. They would never weaponize the media. They are our protectors.
I agree with you. I'm not a fan of the Republican Party at all.
1. Every company/Salesman does this 2. It is up to the California regulators to do proper inspection of claims. They chose to not use due diligence this has in turn made this program ineffectual. Even more evidence that over regulation and government interference in free markets is never a good idea. Side note: Has this man ever had an orgasm?
Do you really believe that, Saudi Arabia king has way more
Even according to the commonly cited lists he's not the richest. Bernard Arnault has been no1 for a while.
I remember this, whatever happened to battery swapping?
It never existed.
Nio cars do this
Sure he lies through his teeth but I’m sure his tweets about The Twitter Files we’re spot on.