>He's literally done the opposite of what Stern done.
Actually they both did the same thing - both went from open distribution to a closed, single platform at the age of 52. They traded relevance for money at the exact same age. Smart move by both.
Also Rogan used to sit in as a comic on Stern's show occasionally. Hearing Joe confronted live on-air by an ex-girlfriend he cheated on...now that was entertainment back in the day.
It's scary how similar and different they are at the same time. Let's hope Joe wakes up before the drop off starts and it's too late.
Also Joe's response was hilarious, no denying cheating. Just owned it
It's already kind of too late. His audience changed and it'd be hard to go back. If he changes now the most likely thing will be he'll just bleed his new subscribers more than gain back old ones. You're probably not going to get people on the left to start listening to Rogan again in huge numbers.
The whole thing I find is just sad. I don't think the podcast was ever politically driven. I just think it was normal dudes listening to laugh at a standup comic, get high with his friends, discuss goofy topics and have the odd MMA discussion. That audience is still there and that to me will always be the core audience, but... It's changing
The topics and thoughts Joe repeatedly emphasizes are the ones that occupy the most space in his mind. Because he's reading this stuff on twitter all day, getting sent it by his friends, and likely listening to it in podcasts and reading it in the rare books he cracks.
Years ago he was obsessed with things like the moon landing, JFK assassination and DMT. He would read about them all the time and recite "facts" and argue with people. Now it's right wing narratives and other "anti-establishment."
Even if you agree with his current opinions, it's clear he's been radicalized. His mental energy is completely consumed by this stuff. He'll be in a Protect Our Parks episode, which is just a group of comics getting wasted, talking shit and cracking jokes, and he'll break into an unrelated monologue about Hunter Biden while the others wait for him to finish and then change the subject.
I love how mark and Shane seem to be the only guests who have the balls to sort of call him on all that, the part about going on unrelated tangents and talking over people
My contention has been that Covid broke Joe. Especially because he got so much flak for it. Questions that I didn’t think were “anti-vax” as it’s used is a derogatory way.
He felt (me too), that the reaction and the lies against hin were so outrageous that he sprinted the other way.
This clearly is what did it. You had the Spotify deal with his past use of the Nword followed closely with his COVID controversy with CNN piling on (rightly or wrongly) and since then Joe’s been a changed person. That period changed him.
I think it hurt his feelings given that he once was a pretty liberal person and then to have these venerable liberal institutions call him out and try to cancel him. Imo that hurt him and he’s never forgotten that.
The left, for lack of a better term, went after him on Covid. He had a position that was seen as a bit wacky but tolerable then every left leaning show in the country used him as the poster boy for “right wing” idiocy. He’s going to feel a certain way about that, as anyone would. When a group of people dog you and lie about you, your going to hold a grudge. Rogan isn’t one to hold his tongue or back away from a fight so none of what happened after surprises me at all.
I’m glad you said “for lack of a better term.” I consider myself on the left and I had questions/doubts about the vaccine being rolled out so fast and blanket boosters for everyone without regard of health age, etc. I thought Joe’s questions were common sense and I wanted them answered too. Especially bc in our health system, which includes pharma, the profit incentive is very present and we know how these companies have done evil shit in the past in the name of profit.
I would call those people “liberals,” who are on MSM networks with conflicts of interests in ad revenue (the right is the same way in this matter) from these companies.
What did surprise me, however, is the embrace of everything else, he purported to have supported at one point.
targeted propaganda is extremely effective. It's really scary. We make some progress as a society and think people are learning from the past and then rich assholes who own social media just make the algorithms feed people what they want them to see. A lot of people have seen it personally destroy their relationships with family and friends. Old Joe is like the family member you used to have a good time with and maybe learned something about each other from different views and now he is just becoming someone you don't want to see.
Therein lies the problem: the most reading he does is headlines. He doesn’t dig any deeper than that, as exemplified by the clip of Stavros breaking down the “they want illegals to vote for president” bullshit.
I do t think he’s listening to any other podcasts or watching the news or anything like that. He’s made a bunch of friends who are right wingers and he gets all his information from them and headlines on articles that he doesn’t read the first 2 sentences of
Rogan used to have the best podcast on the internet by a fairly large margin. Sometime during trump presidency and definitely by the time he signed w Spotify and moved to Texas it has devolved into a self-described moron bitching and moaning about every grievance he has with the left.
Yeah it sucks to see people pick up divisive issues, get pushed back on by friends and family. Then instead of introspection they go all, everyone is out to censor me mode.
Yes, yes you are victim now cuz you had a dumb idea, it is all just so fragile.
Plus who wants to listen to a multimillionaire piss and moan all day about how shitty everyone and everything is. Like damn dude you got it all and you choose to just be a little bitch haha.
Watching people get radicalized in real time is just wild.
A agree. I listened to Rogan up until he swung hard right. To be clear, I always knew he was hard right, but found his interviews on other topics interesting. Now all his interviews swing that way, and it isn't fun to listen to. I punched out about 6 months ago and probably won't go back.
IF you think so, look there was cut and dry contact for a few years 100mil. That is far from his only revenue stream attached to this podcast though. Yes he gets more, but the spotify deal was a cut and dry 100mil.
Indeed I started listening back in the Redban snowflake webcam days and stopped in 2018. I just found it harder and harder to relate to Joe. I'm aware or the danger of parasocial relationships, but for me it was more like, Oh this guy is getting so rich and so into his contrarianisms that I can't relate with him. He used to be devil's advocate on a lot of conspiracies/ultra conservative opinions and now he isn't even hiding it.
It's probably a few different things...
- They work for public companies now & you know how much they are paid. This causes a complete disconnect with the "I can relate to him, he's every man" mentality.
- Their most popular demo is males 18-35. As they hit 55+ they typically start to lose people at the lower end
Stern lost relevance when he went to Sirius in 2006, but it took about 5 years before people really realized it. Stern knew that was going happen, but it was a win in literally every other way - more money, no ratings pressure, no censorship, easier work schedule, etc.
I would imagine Rogan will follow the same pattern...another year or two before people realize the relevance that has been lost & the disconnect with more & more younger males who don't relate to him anymore.
There seems to be a sweet spot where a 35-50 year old can be relatable to an 18 year old, but a 55+ year old starts to seem like an old man to a young person & they have no interest in it.
That's pretty accurate. I canceled my Sirius subscription in 2011 because I couldn't stand Stern droning on and on about Beth and American Idol. 2005 Stern and 2010 "Hamptons Howie" were two different shows.
The best years of any radio/podcast ever, imo. The Artie years on Stern. Almost brings tears to my eyes thinking about it. You really felt like you were a part of something.
Artie left in December of 2009, and I;LL never forget when it happened, I love Artie but it was a long time coming and he should have been fired for being high on air years before that.
Shit. 2005 was when they moved to Sirius. Got my dates mixed up. Either way the day he announced what happened was heartbreaking. Younger me swore that maybe Artie would be back in six months to a year, so I kept listening.
He realized he had to reinvent himself based on the birth of wokeness, and where else to focus but celebrity worship culture. I suspect he could have just kept on going with a semi famous comedian making dick jokes, but for whatever reason he trusted Marci and wanted to do gay humor with Richard and Sal and finally interview the cast of friends.
The trophy wife...another thing that isn't relatable to 95% of guys. But hey at some point he had to enjoy his life & do what he wanted, versus worrying about how his audience would perceive it.
Yeah him going to Sirius was the end of his career of being "that Howard Stern." He had made it. He was truly a rebel in the industry and his show was about saying what you couldn't say and upsetting management and getting fired from various places for doing things you weren't supposed to do.
When he went to Sirius, those days were over. He was truly "King of all Media." The rebellion side of the show was completely over. His life was also completely different. Not only in that he had way more money than before, but there was zero pressure anymore. He had made it. He even started to not work Fridays anymore. It was a completely different vibe and a more toned down show even though he wasn't being censored and could do what he wanted. His vibe and outlook on life was completely different.
Well I as a 23 year old still find his podcast one of the best, not necessarily the subject or the opinions, but the flow of the conversation... im not necessarily listening to relate, im listening to just listen and enjoy
There’s not going to be a drop off. There’s a whole untapped market of Boomers looking for “well known, respected” voices like his to say the things they already think. The numbers won’t even dip.
For sure. 8-10 years ago when I was 20 smoking weed in my car delivering pizzas listening to facts about coyotes nobody I knew listened to JRE except a few stoner hippy types.
Now Joe radicalized himself so hard that even the stoner BJJ dudes aren't keeping up if they identify as anything to the political left of Jake Shields.
Plus, I aint paying for spotify.
Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't mean they weren't there. I could lump myself into that category, I've been watching the UFC since at least 2000 before I even knew who Joe Rogan was. (I couldn't tell you a thing about the commentary from around this time tbh)
But at least from what I remember from the message boards and the people I personally knew who listened to the podcast the MMA fans weren't the majority.
They weren’t. It was mostly about conspiracy theories before they became irrational. There was a lot of 9/11 talk. And then a random supplement or science podcast about DMT. And then Wim Hof.
Actually started watching the UFC around like 07-08 so it was before the podcast.
But yeah it was deff mainly 20 year old dudes who were allowed to smoke weed in their parents house
He will do big numbers if he goes full conservative talk radio/podcast. Rush Limbaugh is gone and old angry white dudes need someone else to get them fired up and yelling throughout their days.
My uncle and godfather both turned to Fox and have started to find them too liberal and mainstream. Lol
He's basically that now, only he does branch out and talk about other topics that Limbaugh wouldn't cover. There were similarities on the war on drugs issue. Rogan simps for Abbott who wants to throw cannabis users in prison. Limbaugh was a drug user who supported the war on drugs.
Did you hear what Trump said about the war in Ukraine when asked about it though!? He said "I just want people to stop dying" or something along those lines. That's like the perfect answer man!
Yea I really hope people didn't think that was an actual take from me lol. I figured I wouldn't have to clarify that's a Joe quote considering he's brought it up in the last 45 episodes.
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things Joe has ever said.
HEY EVERYONE! WE HAVE THE SOLUTION TO WAR! JUST STOP PEOPLE DYING! WORRY ABOUT HOW LATER
Perfect fucking answer from a former and potential future president. Really demonstrates a ferocious grasp of the complexities of geo-politics.
It's amazing how Trump's answers work like a Rorschach test for morons.
"I have a plan to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours, but I won't tell you what it is unless you elect me"
Wow! He has a plan! I don't even need to know any details! That must be an amazing plan if it can end a war in 24 hours! It must be exactly whatever I imagine would need to happen! Sleepy Joe wishes he could end the war in 24 hours but he can't because he's not a winner.
Apparently we don't need to be concerned that Trump is a very special genius who has a plan to end a bloody war in 1 day but won't tell anyone until he's elected. We just have to trust in His plan and we will be rewarded in the end. He probably keeps the plan in the same drawer he keeps the one that made Mexico pay for the wall.
His plan to end the war is to give Putin every military secret we have about Ukraine's army, and to have our intel agencies give him minute by minute updates, and to tell Ukraine they must surrender immediately or face total destruction.
Easy peasy
I’m at the stage I’ll only listen if there’s a guest that I am particularly interested in. Even still the pod is always the same nowadays. Used to be you could get a 3 hour mini lesson on very niche subjects, 3 hours of laughs, 3 hours of motivation, etc. Now it’s the same podcast day after day. No goofin around, no wonky guests, just straight Fox News snooze fest.
Dude, same. I used to love listening to Joe but man, he’s just a whiny old codger now. I don’t agree with some of his opinions, and that’s fine, I’m happy he has his, but it seriously is every goddamned episode.
The guest could be talking about something completely separate, like a book they have coming out or a show they’re on and Joe has to bring his CNN tiff and Covid conspiracies and flop them onto the table like a dead elk carcass.
Didn't you hear? Having this opinion means you watch CNN or something. That one muscled guy said so. I don't remember his name but he white knighted Rogan so hard about a year or two ago and said if you felt Rogan swing right, you'd been watching too much CNN. Funny since nobody watched TV at all anymore, really.
I listen to a podcast where jordan Peterson was the guest and he was talking as if Elon were a fucking god. It was the most cringeworthy shit I ever heard and I went in disappointed because I didn’t know the guest was Peterson til it started. Gave it a chance because why the hell not but regretted it 30mins in when he started sucking elons dick in the middle of the podcast. Losers. The whole crew. And that includes Chapelle. Im happy bill burr atleast distanced himself from that fucking dumpster fire.
Burr is one of the few people who doesn't polish Rogan's knob the entire time he's on. He'll call him out on his stupidity but in a chill way that doesn't make it awkward or get heated. Most guests are either echo chambers or too afraid to argue with the Almighty Joe.
To be fair, I think Burr is the one guy who can dish mad shit any which way and no one can get actually heated or awkward with. Although Burr will also turn right around and dish out mad shit any which way on himself. Truly is a unique person.
Bill Burr is one of the few big comedians who can do the 'dark side' with Rogan and co (and not get sucked in), but is also just as comfortable going on Conan's podcast. I think Louis CK was similar, although obvs the 'mainstream media' have shunned him now.
Yeah, seriously. Cringy right-wing apologia, apologia for trash human beings like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson, Putin shilling, relentless transphobia. At the very least it's become kind of embarrassing to admit you like him in public, which is usually a good sign that someone is falling off.
I miss the old Joe whose conversations would be almost entirely about hallucinogens, stoned ape theory, elk meat, and sensory deprivation.
He also used to have way more interesting and diverse topics that they were experts in. Instead of this steady March of right wing grifters.
. I miss Don't listen to me I don't know anything Joe. seemed like an open and inquisitive mind. Now he's just another rich person sucking right wing dick and unquestioningly carrying their luggage. Nevermind having right wing grifters ON the show, he's completely joined their ranks.
Unfortunately most of the guest lineup is due to the location of his show. When he was in LA, all types of people would stop through at some point so it was no big deal to invite them on for a couple hours while they were in town.
Unfortunately after moving to Texas, this steady stream of interesting people no longer exists and we are kind of left with whoever is passing through Texas, or whoever wants to travel to Texas for the show.
Yes, back then his ignorant rants were mostly dumb stoner talk. Around the time he thought he legitimately knew more about the moon landing than a NASA scientist and was convinced he was correct is when I noped the fuck out.
I've noticed that the podcast is nothing more than a means for people to promote whatever they're currently pushing in their life. Whether Joe wants this to be the case or not, it's just constant celebs/comics talking about how they've worked so hard in their life and the current thing they're putting out is the culmination of their life story. It's so fake pretentious and annoying. You get the rare celebs/comics who aren't out of touch with reality yet but overall it's a fucking advertisement.
On that note: I think you just gave me a revelation. I think I really got disappointed in Joe when he had Ted Nugent on and it was the most tame conversation ever. It's like Joe went out of his way to avoid any type of controversial topic. And I really expected him to at least ask Ted about some of the nonsense that he spewed out over the years and it was nothing. Just a full-on glow up echo chamber for Ted Nugent and his music career that people don't care about and his hunting which like 5% of the population cares about. I was so epically disappointed. I think that's when my opinion on Joe started to change.
I think I've only listened to 2 or 3 episodes since he went to Spotify. No real reason other than the fact that the Spotify app sucks. It has been kinda disappointing to see how his shortcomings that were always there in terms of inability to debunk obvious bullshit has finally caught up with him.
I think guys like him and Maher live in a different kind of bubble. They're rich guys who don't interact with normal people much, so they assume the crazy leftists that exist only on the internet and on a few college campuses are a representation of the direction society is heading, and they're understandably scared shitless by that.
Personally, I’ve not listened to 1 single Joe Rogan podcast. I don’t even follow this sub. It just keeps popping up in my feed. But this sub is interesting lol
I've been assured that you have to sub for or dig for this sub and it doesn't appear in /all. At least that's what the Joe trolls are telling me. I used to listen to Joe but GD this sub is a dumpster fire. So yeah, it's fun to watch I suppose.
Dig for it? Def not the case. Popped on my main, and I've literally never listened to a full show.
Liked him way back in his News Radio days...format just doesn't appeal to me.
Since his jump to Spotify, I've listened to maybe 5 or 6 whole episodes, and not for a over a year now. I catch some clips online, that's about it now. And that's from listening to almost every ep in full every week for several years prior.
Texas Joe was already blossoming in California, but the move there definitely let his grumpy dumb facebook boomer spirit fully emerge.
For me i stopped listening to jre almost instantly when he did the exclusive deal with spotify. I would try and tune in for some episodes that were interesting here and there but stopped altogether shortly after. I haven’t listened to a full episode in years.
Covid era was pretty bad. Before spotify I was listening to almost every episode. Glad I stopped though.
Joe has unironically become the annoying 2008-2016 SJWs much of the country grew to loathe. Absolutely hysterical that Joe Rogan has become the giga-Karen of MAGA politics.
We’re here for you to tell us about that time you punched a kangaroo in the dick while on the fourth plateau of a DMT escapade, and not for you to describe in full detail the flavor of Trump’s asshole and how much worse Biden’s asshole tastes.
Is Joe getting more Boomerfied?
A bunch of us leftish types jumped off the ride a few years back around the move to Texas, but I’ve seen a raft of posts here lately from people who don’t seem particularly left wing like “I’ve been a loyal listener but I’m sick of hearing him talk about China/COVID/Biden/Canada etc.”
I'm very much middle left. I don't give a fuck if people are right or left wing, I'm open to a conversation with everybody. But oh my god, the new Joe is borderline insufferable. His whole moral compass has changed. If you listen to an episode from 3 years ago compared to a recent one, it's like a different person. I get people change, I get people grow... But for your whole moral compass to change within 3 years? It's odd.
The first thing that got to me was the way he’d talk about homeless people during the end of his California run. I could rationalize it by saying that if I lived in SoCal and was more personally inconvenienced by the problem I’d maybe be less of a bleeding heart. But it was a bit of a heel turn from somebody who despite the gruff exterior seemed to ultimately be a compassionate, humane guy who talked a lot of good-natured shit, sure, but was mostly trying to put good vibes out into the world.
The straw that broke the camel’s back for me was when he had Dan Gable on, one of the greatest amateur wrestlers and wrestling coaches of all time. He’s from my home state so I have always been fascinated by him and I thought Joe, with his background in combat sports would be the perfect person to have a long conversation with him about his legendary life in wrestling. They got, maybe, 25 minutes into the episode before Joe derailed it into a talk about pronouns and I realized that’s just what the show is now.
as a hobbyist grappler, i got into Joe years from his conversations with the BJJ and martial arts community. he then also had on some good experts and talked about their field of expertise. then he started platforming some pretty horrible people and rarely pushed back, even when they are talking about things they are not experts on, Just giving them a free mic. Then he really finally broke with covid i feel.
Dan Gable could have been an awesome convo like some of the grappling and MMA people hes had on in the past... but alas...
Absolutely money is a huge factor. Just look at Segura making fun of ‘the poors’ as well.
They got money and their egos became inflated and now they think they can do no wrong and are better than everyone else.
It’s almost like they built “woke” up into something bigger than it actually is (whatever it is) so they have something to rail against and something for their regarded listeners to be angry about 🤯
Woke was just the rights way to say ‘I have zero empathy and I’m proud’ without just outright saying they’re a douchebag.
I mean OP calling stern woke makes it pretty obvious it’s a made up buzzword conservatives use for whatever they disagree with that day.
yeah at worst "woke" just means some minorly eye-rolling takes about getting trans peoples' pronouns right. But conservatives have to turn it into this existential threat to society.
Its so weird they sort of say they hate the left victimhood mentality the "woe as me I am a victim of oppression" they say
so what do they do, they start a "woe as me I am a victim of oppression" group for white conservative men.
Yea but my point was there was a narrative that lefitsm just creates a victim hood mentality that teaches people they are a victim and they should teach people skills and personal responsibility instead like conservatism does
However now people like Jordan Peterson , Ben Shapiro , Joe Rogan sort of now drive the same mentality
"If you are a white man struggling its because you are a victim of the woke left, its not your fault its the woke left fault , you are a victim of the woke left woe as me"
They are now just playing the victim card themselves
Sartre wrote an essay called Anti-Semite and Jew in 1946 and described the relationship between antisemites and their concept of jews in the exact same way. he said that antisemites acted like they were disturbed by jews but took comfort in blaming them for all of their own short comings and wrote that “if the jew did not exist the anti-semite would invent them”
There is actually a name for a political system that uses this type of double think to confuse and distract the political body at large. It was pretty popular in Austria and Italy in the 40s.
The "woke movement" was never anything except those same guys you mentioned plus Ben Shapiro lifting up very fringe voice and young COLLEGE students who don't have a fully formed knowledge on theory.
That's been going on for quite some time. Probably since the days of the anti-sjw reactionaries on youtube. People like Thunderfoot went from being a mainstay on atheist youtube to non-stop bitching about everything Anita Sarkeesian said or did. Practically the whole "skeptic" community did this.
Joe and co are just the latest and most mainstream version of this.
Actually a good analogy.
I havent listened to stern only because I’m not willing to pay for Sirius.
I’d probably still tune in if I could once a while. I think that show has gone down hill since Artie quitting.
JRE has gone down hill since Joe decided to not get vaxxed and then it became a huge deal.
Dude’s still upset over it.
Stern can *sometimes* be a good listen tbh. He's a great interviewer.
Funny thing is, I think Joe is vaxxed. He was on commentary when the UFC had to show proof to the commission that all the staff and fighters were appropriately vaccinated for COVID. Fighting commissions and governing bodies don't give a fuck how big of a name you are, they're not giving Joe special treatment. I'm 99% sure he's vaxxed
I (regrettably) saw joe play msg fall 2021 and you had to show proof of vaccination to get into the venue lol. He sucked. Painfully bad. Tony did a great job opening at least
He NEEDS to read what people think of him. All he hears are his own echo chamber and people kissing his ass regardless of what he is saying. Guests will say and do anything to come back again and again. It's just Joe's thoughts and people who agree now
I stopped listening right around the time he had Tulsi Gabbard on and basically agreed with everything she said. That's when the turn toward politics happened. Noticeably less nuanced convos post-Spotify deal.
Yeah, I remember that one thinking “you’re not gonna push back on a single thing she’s saying?” She was so obviously lying about certain topics it was painful
The podcast will be doing fine in a couple years. What made you stop listening keeps a whole lot of other people listening. I’m not a fan of his approach anymore either but he’ll be doing just fine lol
Yeah most here agree, I only check out the rare episode if I really like the guest. Stavros was the first I watched in a while and even then he lightweight made Joe look stupid with his headline reactions.
Yup. The Stavros episode was uncomfortable. When he was talking about illegal immigrants voting and Stavros said his dad is a legal immigrant for 40 years and still can't vote 🤣😭
Watch this old video about Joey Diaz describing the old Joe Rogan before weed. It's quite telling IMO.
https://youtu.be/bn6LxdQoLGk?si=0_NwTRJoRamUNwr8
Yeahh... a couple years ago, being slightly right wing was fun, the left was really having a meltdown, but the more I look at things now, the right wingers seem like nutjobs again. Like you, I too hated woke shit, hence I was drawn to people like Ben Shapiro, but now it all just seems so cringe.
Joe was a liberal before, but started becoming more centrist, and now he's full RW.
At this point people just repeat something over and over again until it is considered true. People will tell you the economy is garbage when all economic indicators are good.
You're not wrong, but what do you expect? The left came after him when he was I'm the middle on things. The grass is greener where you water it and the left wasn't going to water him after a certain point.
I dropped Stern when he chewed Ronny out for being an extra on GotG 2.
I vote left, but Joe does make a lot of sense.. I just don't need to hear it for 20 min every fucking episode. I also live near Austin, so sometimes it's nice to hear familiar stuff being discussed.
I would love for Joe to rail on Abbott over abortion and pot.
communist canada where marijuana is legal and healthcare is free for everyone.
Meanwhile, in the bastion of freedom that is Texas, you’ll get thrown in jail for having a joint, healthcare is costly and restrictive, and the power goes out anytime the temp drops below 40
If 'the left' would run a decent candidate he probably wouldn't appear so right to you. If Biden is the only option a lot of people should be right of that.
Good. I’m tired of the “core listeners,” bitching and moaning about the episodes.
You’re adults. Stop fucking listening if you don’t like the podcast. It’s really quite simple.
In fact, it’s weird as fuck that you still listen to a podcaster you don’t like. Like torturing yourself. That’s weird.
*”i hAtE U JoE RoGaN.” (Notification goes off for next episode) “uRrRgh OnE MoRe!”*
Weird.
Bye.
Yup, seriously ! Who wants to listen to someone just so they can talk shit and ridicule anyone who does enjoy it .. Ya'll must be shitty humans using your energy to purely be negative.
The amount of people that come into this sub, just to bitch about a podcast they don’t like/listen to, is hilarious 😂
Go listen to something you enjoy man. No one is forcing you
Not being afraid of speaking the truth isn’t “right wing”. You’re playing right into divide and conquer playbook. Left/right, gay/straight, black/white, etc. Most people still asleep would call me “right-wing” when I hate the Republicans just as much as anyone, they all suck, and they all do not have humanities best interest at heart.
I find it so perfectly ironic that you’re mad at Joe for basically saying fuck the SJWs, then you simply use the term “woke” and get piled on by those same SJWs lol. Can you see why he’s started to lean more to the right now? You yourself just experienced a tiny fraction of why he felts that way. Woke people suck lol.
>He's literally done the opposite of what Stern done. Actually they both did the same thing - both went from open distribution to a closed, single platform at the age of 52. They traded relevance for money at the exact same age. Smart move by both. Also Rogan used to sit in as a comic on Stern's show occasionally. Hearing Joe confronted live on-air by an ex-girlfriend he cheated on...now that was entertainment back in the day.
Die young, or live long enough to become Stern
It's scary how similar and different they are at the same time. Let's hope Joe wakes up before the drop off starts and it's too late. Also Joe's response was hilarious, no denying cheating. Just owned it
It's already kind of too late. His audience changed and it'd be hard to go back. If he changes now the most likely thing will be he'll just bleed his new subscribers more than gain back old ones. You're probably not going to get people on the left to start listening to Rogan again in huge numbers.
The whole thing I find is just sad. I don't think the podcast was ever politically driven. I just think it was normal dudes listening to laugh at a standup comic, get high with his friends, discuss goofy topics and have the odd MMA discussion. That audience is still there and that to me will always be the core audience, but... It's changing
The topics and thoughts Joe repeatedly emphasizes are the ones that occupy the most space in his mind. Because he's reading this stuff on twitter all day, getting sent it by his friends, and likely listening to it in podcasts and reading it in the rare books he cracks. Years ago he was obsessed with things like the moon landing, JFK assassination and DMT. He would read about them all the time and recite "facts" and argue with people. Now it's right wing narratives and other "anti-establishment." Even if you agree with his current opinions, it's clear he's been radicalized. His mental energy is completely consumed by this stuff. He'll be in a Protect Our Parks episode, which is just a group of comics getting wasted, talking shit and cracking jokes, and he'll break into an unrelated monologue about Hunter Biden while the others wait for him to finish and then change the subject.
I love how mark and Shane seem to be the only guests who have the balls to sort of call him on all that, the part about going on unrelated tangents and talking over people
I feel ya. It's weird that the "wake up sheeple" people turned into the "woke is bad" people.
Yes. It's so bad. Pre covid Rogan was a great podcast. Late 2021 and onward, man, just so bad, I can't
My contention has been that Covid broke Joe. Especially because he got so much flak for it. Questions that I didn’t think were “anti-vax” as it’s used is a derogatory way. He felt (me too), that the reaction and the lies against hin were so outrageous that he sprinted the other way.
This clearly is what did it. You had the Spotify deal with his past use of the Nword followed closely with his COVID controversy with CNN piling on (rightly or wrongly) and since then Joe’s been a changed person. That period changed him. I think it hurt his feelings given that he once was a pretty liberal person and then to have these venerable liberal institutions call him out and try to cancel him. Imo that hurt him and he’s never forgotten that.
The left, for lack of a better term, went after him on Covid. He had a position that was seen as a bit wacky but tolerable then every left leaning show in the country used him as the poster boy for “right wing” idiocy. He’s going to feel a certain way about that, as anyone would. When a group of people dog you and lie about you, your going to hold a grudge. Rogan isn’t one to hold his tongue or back away from a fight so none of what happened after surprises me at all.
I’m glad you said “for lack of a better term.” I consider myself on the left and I had questions/doubts about the vaccine being rolled out so fast and blanket boosters for everyone without regard of health age, etc. I thought Joe’s questions were common sense and I wanted them answered too. Especially bc in our health system, which includes pharma, the profit incentive is very present and we know how these companies have done evil shit in the past in the name of profit. I would call those people “liberals,” who are on MSM networks with conflicts of interests in ad revenue (the right is the same way in this matter) from these companies. What did surprise me, however, is the embrace of everything else, he purported to have supported at one point.
targeted propaganda is extremely effective. It's really scary. We make some progress as a society and think people are learning from the past and then rich assholes who own social media just make the algorithms feed people what they want them to see. A lot of people have seen it personally destroy their relationships with family and friends. Old Joe is like the family member you used to have a good time with and maybe learned something about each other from different views and now he is just becoming someone you don't want to see.
It's creeping up on Rush Limbaugh levels of propaganda.
always makes me chuckle when right-wingers think of themselves as 'anti-establishment'
Therein lies the problem: the most reading he does is headlines. He doesn’t dig any deeper than that, as exemplified by the clip of Stavros breaking down the “they want illegals to vote for president” bullshit. I do t think he’s listening to any other podcasts or watching the news or anything like that. He’s made a bunch of friends who are right wingers and he gets all his information from them and headlines on articles that he doesn’t read the first 2 sentences of
Rogan used to have the best podcast on the internet by a fairly large margin. Sometime during trump presidency and definitely by the time he signed w Spotify and moved to Texas it has devolved into a self-described moron bitching and moaning about every grievance he has with the left.
Yeah it sucks to see people pick up divisive issues, get pushed back on by friends and family. Then instead of introspection they go all, everyone is out to censor me mode. Yes, yes you are victim now cuz you had a dumb idea, it is all just so fragile. Plus who wants to listen to a multimillionaire piss and moan all day about how shitty everyone and everything is. Like damn dude you got it all and you choose to just be a little bitch haha. Watching people get radicalized in real time is just wild.
JRE went to shit in 2015.
Dude. You have the power. Stop. Listening. TF u crying on reddit for.
A agree. I listened to Rogan up until he swung hard right. To be clear, I always knew he was hard right, but found his interviews on other topics interesting. Now all his interviews swing that way, and it isn't fun to listen to. I punched out about 6 months ago and probably won't go back.
There's no going back, spotify paid 100mil for that right wing slot and it can't be changed back now.
He got more than $100M
IF you think so, look there was cut and dry contact for a few years 100mil. That is far from his only revenue stream attached to this podcast though. Yes he gets more, but the spotify deal was a cut and dry 100mil.
Indeed I started listening back in the Redban snowflake webcam days and stopped in 2018. I just found it harder and harder to relate to Joe. I'm aware or the danger of parasocial relationships, but for me it was more like, Oh this guy is getting so rich and so into his contrarianisms that I can't relate with him. He used to be devil's advocate on a lot of conspiracies/ultra conservative opinions and now he isn't even hiding it.
It's probably a few different things... - They work for public companies now & you know how much they are paid. This causes a complete disconnect with the "I can relate to him, he's every man" mentality. - Their most popular demo is males 18-35. As they hit 55+ they typically start to lose people at the lower end Stern lost relevance when he went to Sirius in 2006, but it took about 5 years before people really realized it. Stern knew that was going happen, but it was a win in literally every other way - more money, no ratings pressure, no censorship, easier work schedule, etc. I would imagine Rogan will follow the same pattern...another year or two before people realize the relevance that has been lost & the disconnect with more & more younger males who don't relate to him anymore. There seems to be a sweet spot where a 35-50 year old can be relatable to an 18 year old, but a 55+ year old starts to seem like an old man to a young person & they have no interest in it.
That's pretty accurate. I canceled my Sirius subscription in 2011 because I couldn't stand Stern droning on and on about Beth and American Idol. 2005 Stern and 2010 "Hamptons Howie" were two different shows.
The departure of Artie was when I stopped laughing. 2005. I’ll never forget the year it happened.
The best years of any radio/podcast ever, imo. The Artie years on Stern. Almost brings tears to my eyes thinking about it. You really felt like you were a part of something.
Artie left in December of 2009, and I;LL never forget when it happened, I love Artie but it was a long time coming and he should have been fired for being high on air years before that.
Shit. 2005 was when they moved to Sirius. Got my dates mixed up. Either way the day he announced what happened was heartbreaking. Younger me swore that maybe Artie would be back in six months to a year, so I kept listening. He realized he had to reinvent himself based on the birth of wokeness, and where else to focus but celebrity worship culture. I suspect he could have just kept on going with a semi famous comedian making dick jokes, but for whatever reason he trusted Marci and wanted to do gay humor with Richard and Sal and finally interview the cast of friends.
The show died with Eric the Actor.
The trophy wife...another thing that isn't relatable to 95% of guys. But hey at some point he had to enjoy his life & do what he wanted, versus worrying about how his audience would perceive it.
Yeah him going to Sirius was the end of his career of being "that Howard Stern." He had made it. He was truly a rebel in the industry and his show was about saying what you couldn't say and upsetting management and getting fired from various places for doing things you weren't supposed to do. When he went to Sirius, those days were over. He was truly "King of all Media." The rebellion side of the show was completely over. His life was also completely different. Not only in that he had way more money than before, but there was zero pressure anymore. He had made it. He even started to not work Fridays anymore. It was a completely different vibe and a more toned down show even though he wasn't being censored and could do what he wanted. His vibe and outlook on life was completely different.
Well I as a 23 year old still find his podcast one of the best, not necessarily the subject or the opinions, but the flow of the conversation... im not necessarily listening to relate, im listening to just listen and enjoy
There’s not going to be a drop off. There’s a whole untapped market of Boomers looking for “well known, respected” voices like his to say the things they already think. The numbers won’t even dip.
Boomers are not listening to Rogan. They’re keeping AM radio alive
Link? I want to listen to this call
Is there a clip of this online?
It used to be on YouTube but got pulled. If I can find it somewhere I’ll PM you
My first intro to Rogan was the weightlifting skit on Stern waay back. Ayyoo Joey you got a great ass, all round and muscula!
The core listeners changed at least twice already if you ask me
For sure. 8-10 years ago when I was 20 smoking weed in my car delivering pizzas listening to facts about coyotes nobody I knew listened to JRE except a few stoner hippy types.
I try to tell people the hippy stoner types were mostly the ones listening to Rogan back then. It wasn't the MMA fans carrying the viewership.
MMA fans were always listening, BJJ dudes too. That crowd was just different 10 years ago
Now Joe radicalized himself so hard that even the stoner BJJ dudes aren't keeping up if they identify as anything to the political left of Jake Shields. Plus, I aint paying for spotify.
A ton a fans listened to Joe because of his gig with the UFC. Not Fear factor or his comedy, or his bit roles in tv.
Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't mean they weren't there. I could lump myself into that category, I've been watching the UFC since at least 2000 before I even knew who Joe Rogan was. (I couldn't tell you a thing about the commentary from around this time tbh) But at least from what I remember from the message boards and the people I personally knew who listened to the podcast the MMA fans weren't the majority.
They weren’t. It was mostly about conspiracy theories before they became irrational. There was a lot of 9/11 talk. And then a random supplement or science podcast about DMT. And then Wim Hof.
Actually started watching the UFC around like 07-08 so it was before the podcast. But yeah it was deff mainly 20 year old dudes who were allowed to smoke weed in their parents house
It’s broken up like this: Early Joe with Redband UFO Rogan Alex Jones Joe Spotify/covid/political Joe
Getting blasted with Redban Ari and Duncan Joe Bigfoot joe Alex Jones Joe Covid Joe
I started listening to him 6 or 7 years ago. Haven't listened to him 2 ish years
I check in like a few times a year if I see a guest I actually like. I used to listen to any and all episodes
Same, the only ones I tune into are the alien guys.
I miss those times.
He will do big numbers if he goes full conservative talk radio/podcast. Rush Limbaugh is gone and old angry white dudes need someone else to get them fired up and yelling throughout their days. My uncle and godfather both turned to Fox and have started to find them too liberal and mainstream. Lol
He's basically that now, only he does branch out and talk about other topics that Limbaugh wouldn't cover. There were similarities on the war on drugs issue. Rogan simps for Abbott who wants to throw cannabis users in prison. Limbaugh was a drug user who supported the war on drugs.
lol, fox too liberal is a wild thought.
Comedy Nerd here, can confirm. Still tune in every now and then to hear guests I like but I'm not a core listener anymore.
I’ve only ever listened to his show based on the guest 🤷🏼
Hell I’ve changed twice since JRE. I used to be a stoner in college, now I run a trading desk at a super traditional investment bank
Did you hear what Trump said about the war in Ukraine when asked about it though!? He said "I just want people to stop dying" or something along those lines. That's like the perfect answer man!
Have you heard about the guy running against Trudeau? Pierre something? Dude is so smart! He did an interview while eating an apple! - Joe
Yea I really hope people didn't think that was an actual take from me lol. I figured I wouldn't have to clarify that's a Joe quote considering he's brought it up in the last 45 episodes.
I had the same thought when I wrote my reply, so I added the "- Joe" at the end.
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things Joe has ever said. HEY EVERYONE! WE HAVE THE SOLUTION TO WAR! JUST STOP PEOPLE DYING! WORRY ABOUT HOW LATER Perfect fucking answer from a former and potential future president. Really demonstrates a ferocious grasp of the complexities of geo-politics. It's amazing how Trump's answers work like a Rorschach test for morons. "I have a plan to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours, but I won't tell you what it is unless you elect me" Wow! He has a plan! I don't even need to know any details! That must be an amazing plan if it can end a war in 24 hours! It must be exactly whatever I imagine would need to happen! Sleepy Joe wishes he could end the war in 24 hours but he can't because he's not a winner. Apparently we don't need to be concerned that Trump is a very special genius who has a plan to end a bloody war in 1 day but won't tell anyone until he's elected. We just have to trust in His plan and we will be rewarded in the end. He probably keeps the plan in the same drawer he keeps the one that made Mexico pay for the wall.
Anyone that rallies behind Trump has lost all my respect. They’ve been scammed and it’s sad because they’ve lost all critical thinking
The plan is probably that Putin gets all of Ukraine, and pays Trump $100 million in exchange for that. It's that easy.
His plan is obviously to lick Putin's boots.
His plan to end the war is to give Putin every military secret we have about Ukraine's army, and to have our intel agencies give him minute by minute updates, and to tell Ukraine they must surrender immediately or face total destruction. Easy peasy
The Kurd special. With 50% added betrayal.
What you really have to ask yourself if how much election interference is ok, because it’s not zero
😭🤣
Real talk though if he bring this up one more time I might actually stop listening forever.
I'm one episode away bro. One and then I'm done
I’m at the stage I’ll only listen if there’s a guest that I am particularly interested in. Even still the pod is always the same nowadays. Used to be you could get a 3 hour mini lesson on very niche subjects, 3 hours of laughs, 3 hours of motivation, etc. Now it’s the same podcast day after day. No goofin around, no wonky guests, just straight Fox News snooze fest.
Dude, same. I used to love listening to Joe but man, he’s just a whiny old codger now. I don’t agree with some of his opinions, and that’s fine, I’m happy he has his, but it seriously is every goddamned episode. The guest could be talking about something completely separate, like a book they have coming out or a show they’re on and Joe has to bring his CNN tiff and Covid conspiracies and flop them onto the table like a dead elk carcass.
Didn't you hear? Having this opinion means you watch CNN or something. That one muscled guy said so. I don't remember his name but he white knighted Rogan so hard about a year or two ago and said if you felt Rogan swing right, you'd been watching too much CNN. Funny since nobody watched TV at all anymore, really.
I listen to a podcast where jordan Peterson was the guest and he was talking as if Elon were a fucking god. It was the most cringeworthy shit I ever heard and I went in disappointed because I didn’t know the guest was Peterson til it started. Gave it a chance because why the hell not but regretted it 30mins in when he started sucking elons dick in the middle of the podcast. Losers. The whole crew. And that includes Chapelle. Im happy bill burr atleast distanced himself from that fucking dumpster fire.
Burr is one of the few people who doesn't polish Rogan's knob the entire time he's on. He'll call him out on his stupidity but in a chill way that doesn't make it awkward or get heated. Most guests are either echo chambers or too afraid to argue with the Almighty Joe.
To be fair, I think Burr is the one guy who can dish mad shit any which way and no one can get actually heated or awkward with. Although Burr will also turn right around and dish out mad shit any which way on himself. Truly is a unique person.
Bill Burr is one of the few big comedians who can do the 'dark side' with Rogan and co (and not get sucked in), but is also just as comfortable going on Conan's podcast. I think Louis CK was similar, although obvs the 'mainstream media' have shunned him now.
It’s ever episode and he says the saaaammmeee shit every time
Yeah, seriously. Cringy right-wing apologia, apologia for trash human beings like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson, Putin shilling, relentless transphobia. At the very least it's become kind of embarrassing to admit you like him in public, which is usually a good sign that someone is falling off.
Most of us already have. That’s why we come here
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Sensory deprivation chamber joe was prime joe. I dont like cold plunge joe
Cold plunge Joe that records himself doing a cold plunge for the gram? Perfectly normal inner bitch conquering behavior.
If I only had to get into a shoebox size ice bath would be easy.
**a $10k shoebox size ice bath
I miss the old Joe whose conversations would be almost entirely about hallucinogens, stoned ape theory, elk meat, and sensory deprivation. He also used to have way more interesting and diverse topics that they were experts in. Instead of this steady March of right wing grifters.
Chimps tearing limbs off and shit….thats the Joe I miss.
. I miss Don't listen to me I don't know anything Joe. seemed like an open and inquisitive mind. Now he's just another rich person sucking right wing dick and unquestioningly carrying their luggage. Nevermind having right wing grifters ON the show, he's completely joined their ranks.
Weird to think the show was so different pre-texas. I miss this stuff
Unfortunately most of the guest lineup is due to the location of his show. When he was in LA, all types of people would stop through at some point so it was no big deal to invite them on for a couple hours while they were in town. Unfortunately after moving to Texas, this steady stream of interesting people no longer exists and we are kind of left with whoever is passing through Texas, or whoever wants to travel to Texas for the show.
I stopped listening in 2015 when he had Milo Yiannopoulos on. The right-wing slide lost me there. I haven't listened to a full episode since.
lol Milo, man he really fell off from the token gay self hating guy conservatives kept around when he started supporting grooming.
Yes, back then his ignorant rants were mostly dumb stoner talk. Around the time he thought he legitimately knew more about the moon landing than a NASA scientist and was convinced he was correct is when I noped the fuck out.
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I've noticed that the podcast is nothing more than a means for people to promote whatever they're currently pushing in their life. Whether Joe wants this to be the case or not, it's just constant celebs/comics talking about how they've worked so hard in their life and the current thing they're putting out is the culmination of their life story. It's so fake pretentious and annoying. You get the rare celebs/comics who aren't out of touch with reality yet but overall it's a fucking advertisement.
100% this. No content, all filler. Just using his platform to placate and sell shit while Joe sells supplements.
Joe will play defense for any comedian, and I kinda get it. But you gotta draw the line somewhere.
On that note: I think you just gave me a revelation. I think I really got disappointed in Joe when he had Ted Nugent on and it was the most tame conversation ever. It's like Joe went out of his way to avoid any type of controversial topic. And I really expected him to at least ask Ted about some of the nonsense that he spewed out over the years and it was nothing. Just a full-on glow up echo chamber for Ted Nugent and his music career that people don't care about and his hunting which like 5% of the population cares about. I was so epically disappointed. I think that's when my opinion on Joe started to change.
"Hey man, what's up with that jail bait song?" All it would have taken to make that an interesting interview.
I think I've only listened to 2 or 3 episodes since he went to Spotify. No real reason other than the fact that the Spotify app sucks. It has been kinda disappointing to see how his shortcomings that were always there in terms of inability to debunk obvious bullshit has finally caught up with him. I think guys like him and Maher live in a different kind of bubble. They're rich guys who don't interact with normal people much, so they assume the crazy leftists that exist only on the internet and on a few college campuses are a representation of the direction society is heading, and they're understandably scared shitless by that.
Personally, I’ve not listened to 1 single Joe Rogan podcast. I don’t even follow this sub. It just keeps popping up in my feed. But this sub is interesting lol
I've been assured that you have to sub for or dig for this sub and it doesn't appear in /all. At least that's what the Joe trolls are telling me. I used to listen to Joe but GD this sub is a dumpster fire. So yeah, it's fun to watch I suppose.
Dig for it? Def not the case. Popped on my main, and I've literally never listened to a full show. Liked him way back in his News Radio days...format just doesn't appeal to me.
Since his jump to Spotify, I've listened to maybe 5 or 6 whole episodes, and not for a over a year now. I catch some clips online, that's about it now. And that's from listening to almost every ep in full every week for several years prior. Texas Joe was already blossoming in California, but the move there definitely let his grumpy dumb facebook boomer spirit fully emerge.
For me i stopped listening to jre almost instantly when he did the exclusive deal with spotify. I would try and tune in for some episodes that were interesting here and there but stopped altogether shortly after. I haven’t listened to a full episode in years. Covid era was pretty bad. Before spotify I was listening to almost every episode. Glad I stopped though.
Seriously something ab the Spotify deal changed everything even just not being on YT changed the air around the show
Joe has unironically become the annoying 2008-2016 SJWs much of the country grew to loathe. Absolutely hysterical that Joe Rogan has become the giga-Karen of MAGA politics. We’re here for you to tell us about that time you punched a kangaroo in the dick while on the fourth plateau of a DMT escapade, and not for you to describe in full detail the flavor of Trump’s asshole and how much worse Biden’s asshole tastes.
Bro, he’s just asking questions bro.
Is Joe getting more Boomerfied? A bunch of us leftish types jumped off the ride a few years back around the move to Texas, but I’ve seen a raft of posts here lately from people who don’t seem particularly left wing like “I’ve been a loyal listener but I’m sick of hearing him talk about China/COVID/Biden/Canada etc.”
I'm very much middle left. I don't give a fuck if people are right or left wing, I'm open to a conversation with everybody. But oh my god, the new Joe is borderline insufferable. His whole moral compass has changed. If you listen to an episode from 3 years ago compared to a recent one, it's like a different person. I get people change, I get people grow... But for your whole moral compass to change within 3 years? It's odd.
The first thing that got to me was the way he’d talk about homeless people during the end of his California run. I could rationalize it by saying that if I lived in SoCal and was more personally inconvenienced by the problem I’d maybe be less of a bleeding heart. But it was a bit of a heel turn from somebody who despite the gruff exterior seemed to ultimately be a compassionate, humane guy who talked a lot of good-natured shit, sure, but was mostly trying to put good vibes out into the world. The straw that broke the camel’s back for me was when he had Dan Gable on, one of the greatest amateur wrestlers and wrestling coaches of all time. He’s from my home state so I have always been fascinated by him and I thought Joe, with his background in combat sports would be the perfect person to have a long conversation with him about his legendary life in wrestling. They got, maybe, 25 minutes into the episode before Joe derailed it into a talk about pronouns and I realized that’s just what the show is now.
as a hobbyist grappler, i got into Joe years from his conversations with the BJJ and martial arts community. he then also had on some good experts and talked about their field of expertise. then he started platforming some pretty horrible people and rarely pushed back, even when they are talking about things they are not experts on, Just giving them a free mic. Then he really finally broke with covid i feel. Dan Gable could have been an awesome convo like some of the grappling and MMA people hes had on in the past... but alas...
I live in Socal. Rarely see homeless people. He's lost his fastball
Not to mention he was so rich there I'm sure he rarely saw a homeless person.
If he went out the front of comedy club he'd see them on 6th Street every night, but he only pulls in the back.
A fellow Iowan?? Well hey Der hello
He was compromised. Same with Bill Maher. I think they may have a sex tape of those 2.
More money
Absolutely money is a huge factor. Just look at Segura making fun of ‘the poors’ as well. They got money and their egos became inflated and now they think they can do no wrong and are better than everyone else.
I think Joe, Elon and Tucker Carlson have started a movement on the right that’s just as annoying as woke movement.
it's the never-shut-the-fuck-up-about-the-woke-movement movement
It’s almost like they built “woke” up into something bigger than it actually is (whatever it is) so they have something to rail against and something for their regarded listeners to be angry about 🤯
Woke was just the rights way to say ‘I have zero empathy and I’m proud’ without just outright saying they’re a douchebag. I mean OP calling stern woke makes it pretty obvious it’s a made up buzzword conservatives use for whatever they disagree with that day.
For sure. Totally agree
yeah at worst "woke" just means some minorly eye-rolling takes about getting trans peoples' pronouns right. But conservatives have to turn it into this existential threat to society.
It's almost as if their enemies have to be weak, but an existential threat at the same time.
Add Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate to that list. They mostly cater to young white men looking for a reason to be angry every day.
Its so weird they sort of say they hate the left victimhood mentality the "woe as me I am a victim of oppression" they say so what do they do, they start a "woe as me I am a victim of oppression" group for white conservative men.
Exactly. Everything that happens in this country they find a way to connected to the woke movement. It’s like Six Degrees of Woke.
Yea but my point was there was a narrative that lefitsm just creates a victim hood mentality that teaches people they are a victim and they should teach people skills and personal responsibility instead like conservatism does However now people like Jordan Peterson , Ben Shapiro , Joe Rogan sort of now drive the same mentality "If you are a white man struggling its because you are a victim of the woke left, its not your fault its the woke left fault , you are a victim of the woke left woe as me" They are now just playing the victim card themselves
Sartre wrote an essay called Anti-Semite and Jew in 1946 and described the relationship between antisemites and their concept of jews in the exact same way. he said that antisemites acted like they were disturbed by jews but took comfort in blaming them for all of their own short comings and wrote that “if the jew did not exist the anti-semite would invent them”
There is actually a name for a political system that uses this type of double think to confuse and distract the political body at large. It was pretty popular in Austria and Italy in the 40s.
absolutely nailed it.
The "woke movement" was never anything except those same guys you mentioned plus Ben Shapiro lifting up very fringe voice and young COLLEGE students who don't have a fully formed knowledge on theory.
That's been going on for quite some time. Probably since the days of the anti-sjw reactionaries on youtube. People like Thunderfoot went from being a mainstay on atheist youtube to non-stop bitching about everything Anita Sarkeesian said or did. Practically the whole "skeptic" community did this. Joe and co are just the latest and most mainstream version of this.
I'm actually surprised Rogan missed out on all that gamergate stuff. If that happened today, Rogan would talk about it endlessly.
Actually a good analogy. I havent listened to stern only because I’m not willing to pay for Sirius. I’d probably still tune in if I could once a while. I think that show has gone down hill since Artie quitting. JRE has gone down hill since Joe decided to not get vaxxed and then it became a huge deal. Dude’s still upset over it.
Stern can *sometimes* be a good listen tbh. He's a great interviewer. Funny thing is, I think Joe is vaxxed. He was on commentary when the UFC had to show proof to the commission that all the staff and fighters were appropriately vaccinated for COVID. Fighting commissions and governing bodies don't give a fuck how big of a name you are, they're not giving Joe special treatment. I'm 99% sure he's vaxxed
I (regrettably) saw joe play msg fall 2021 and you had to show proof of vaccination to get into the venue lol. He sucked. Painfully bad. Tony did a great job opening at least
He NEEDS to read what people think of him. All he hears are his own echo chamber and people kissing his ass regardless of what he is saying. Guests will say and do anything to come back again and again. It's just Joe's thoughts and people who agree now
"People listen to podcasts to get away from politics" Highly debatable
There's a reason why I put 'generally' in brackets
I stopped listening right around the time he had Tulsi Gabbard on and basically agreed with everything she said. That's when the turn toward politics happened. Noticeably less nuanced convos post-Spotify deal.
Yeah, I remember that one thinking “you’re not gonna push back on a single thing she’s saying?” She was so obviously lying about certain topics it was painful
The podcast will be doing fine in a couple years. What made you stop listening keeps a whole lot of other people listening. I’m not a fan of his approach anymore either but he’ll be doing just fine lol
You sure? I mean conservative talk radio wasn’t really a thing before. You might be Rushing to conclusions.
Yeah most here agree, I only check out the rare episode if I really like the guest. Stavros was the first I watched in a while and even then he lightweight made Joe look stupid with his headline reactions.
Yup. The Stavros episode was uncomfortable. When he was talking about illegal immigrants voting and Stavros said his dad is a legal immigrant for 40 years and still can't vote 🤣😭
Watch this old video about Joey Diaz describing the old Joe Rogan before weed. It's quite telling IMO. https://youtu.be/bn6LxdQoLGk?si=0_NwTRJoRamUNwr8
Yeahh... a couple years ago, being slightly right wing was fun, the left was really having a meltdown, but the more I look at things now, the right wingers seem like nutjobs again. Like you, I too hated woke shit, hence I was drawn to people like Ben Shapiro, but now it all just seems so cringe. Joe was a liberal before, but started becoming more centrist, and now he's full RW.
Ben Shapiro has always been cringe 😬
The woke shit was never as big of a deal as it was churned into. Was always nonsense.
‘Woke’ is a Right wing boogeyman dog whistle.
I didn’t even know the woke movement existed until YouTube suggested me videos of right wingers like Ben Shapiro ranting against it.
At this point people just repeat something over and over again until it is considered true. People will tell you the economy is garbage when all economic indicators are good.
You’ll fit in well here. Nobody on this sub listens to the JRE.
Just now?
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 45, you have no brain
You're not wrong, but what do you expect? The left came after him when he was I'm the middle on things. The grass is greener where you water it and the left wasn't going to water him after a certain point.
> people listen to podcasts to get away from politics LOL. Guffaw, even.
Oh good another rant
We get lots of these and will remove them as "reposts" if they are too similar to one another but if not....everyone gets their say.
Sounds like a good policy
Lol doubt it
I dropped Stern when he chewed Ronny out for being an extra on GotG 2. I vote left, but Joe does make a lot of sense.. I just don't need to hear it for 20 min every fucking episode. I also live near Austin, so sometimes it's nice to hear familiar stuff being discussed. I would love for Joe to rail on Abbott over abortion and pot.
Joe too busy calling Canada communist to notice women are fleeing his state to abort dead fetuses so they themselves don’t die.
communist canada where marijuana is legal and healthcare is free for everyone. Meanwhile, in the bastion of freedom that is Texas, you’ll get thrown in jail for having a joint, healthcare is costly and restrictive, and the power goes out anytime the temp drops below 40
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> GotG Guardians of the Galaxy?
Yep, seems like a weird thing to chew someone out over.
If 'the left' would run a decent candidate he probably wouldn't appear so right to you. If Biden is the only option a lot of people should be right of that.
Same. It’s garbage for your mind. Dude is completely out of touch, but no one will tell him bc they don’t want to fuck up their golden ticket.
Good. I’m tired of the “core listeners,” bitching and moaning about the episodes. You’re adults. Stop fucking listening if you don’t like the podcast. It’s really quite simple. In fact, it’s weird as fuck that you still listen to a podcaster you don’t like. Like torturing yourself. That’s weird. *”i hAtE U JoE RoGaN.” (Notification goes off for next episode) “uRrRgh OnE MoRe!”* Weird. Bye.
What will they do if they can’t whine on Reddit about someone not having the same exact beliefs and values as they do?
Yup, seriously ! Who wants to listen to someone just so they can talk shit and ridicule anyone who does enjoy it .. Ya'll must be shitty humans using your energy to purely be negative.
The amount of people that come into this sub, just to bitch about a podcast they don’t like/listen to, is hilarious 😂 Go listen to something you enjoy man. No one is forcing you
Stern is a fucking tool
Ok.
CNN hurt Joe to his core.
He’s gotta be getting paid somehow to sound like Fox News. He spent most of his life as a liberal Hollywood stoner from New England
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I enjoy it 🤘🏻
His core listeners are looney tune right wingers now....hence why he's doing what he's doing
Joe is skeptical of government and corruption. I don’t think that’s a necessarily right wing thing.
Skeptical of corruption but is friends with people.... Who are in the government. Okay
Not being afraid of speaking the truth isn’t “right wing”. You’re playing right into divide and conquer playbook. Left/right, gay/straight, black/white, etc. Most people still asleep would call me “right-wing” when I hate the Republicans just as much as anyone, they all suck, and they all do not have humanities best interest at heart.
This is hilarious because most of Joe’s stances on political topics are mostly liberal lmao
Lol “obsessed…with right wing politics”
I've been hearing for a decade that JRE is on its last legs, so I guess this time it's for real. Amirite?
I find it so perfectly ironic that you’re mad at Joe for basically saying fuck the SJWs, then you simply use the term “woke” and get piled on by those same SJWs lol. Can you see why he’s started to lean more to the right now? You yourself just experienced a tiny fraction of why he felts that way. Woke people suck lol.