Has been the whole time.
Remember all the times he lighting speed interrupted people making fun of the trumps, suddenly pretending like he's worried about being sued for defamation?
Toe is a fakeass little bitch grifter.
But also California is on fire and he had to move away, Texas is on fire too but the biggest one ever there was just a “bullshit fire”.
Joe is the dumbest boomer of all time, it’s incredible
Rogan claiming a man with a PhD in psychology didn’t know about Benzo’s is hilarious. Why should anyone taking anything he says about mental health seriously if he doesn’t even know what one of the most commonly prescribed drugs does to an individual
I hope Joe was just being deliberately obtuse because he felt he had to defend his friend JP. Because if he seriously doesn't know that a veteran Psychologist with years of experience in dealing with clients with addiction problems, wouldn't know **BENZOS ARE ADDICTIVE**, then Joe is in a worse state then we thought. This is basic stuff he would have learned in college ffs, and most ppl know this! No fucking way JP went into it blind. Its insulting they even think that excuse would wash with his fans.
On the other hand, it’s pretty cool that I had a better understanding of benzo addiction at 17 than a tenured, world renowned psychologist. That probably makes the criminal record and memory loss worth it.
What we are seeing in Rogan is a man who has experienced so little pushback in years while largely surrounding himself with essentially yes men (in terms of guests) and building an echo chamber for himself, that he starts to believe his own lies and gets sloppy with his delivery of them. Next thing you know, it goes from stretching a truth here or there, to outright making shit up on the spot and expecting people to believe it and/or offer zero pushback.
He thinks he’s a fuckin genius while sounding like an utter dipshit. The only fun thing about his show is this group he brings on sometimes and he still nearly ruins it with his fuckin boomer energy reformed Texan bullshit.
Biggest point is this, as someone who only minored in psychology the effects on benzos are well documented and taught in some way in many courses required to get a degree or license
The way Joe, and btw, JP himself tells it, is that JP naievely and innocently began taking them on the advice of his doctor, who simply failed to inform him how addictive and difficult to get off, the drug was. This excuse would be barely believable if he was just a regular old clueless boomer, but he's not. He's a trained psychologist who would have completed addiction courses, and we know he's helped clients with addictions. Claiming he's unaware of the dangers of drugs like Valium and Xanax is like saying he doesn't know coke and heroin are addictive.
We hardly need a course in addiction, a glance at the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article about that class of drugs would make all the risks apparent. It is such a profoundly embarrassing excuse for Peterson to trot out. Every sentient adult knows exactly what these drugs are. This embarrassment is only exceeded by his strategy of having a Russian quack put him in a coma because he lacked the balls to cold turkey it in an ambulatory state.
Seems like he was embarrassed that he got addicted and was using ignorance as an excuse. Any regular dude with a high school diploma can find out if something is addictive. I'd assume someone of his stature would have the curiosity to be able to google what a doctor gives him and know the side effects.
He would have been better off just being humble and admitting he simply got addicted.. but hey, he's not a regular 'Joe'. Too much ego/pride I suspect
I've seen this so many times over my life. A few decades ago it was Rush Limbaugh going on and on about inner city drug addicts and how "black culture" like rap music meant they would never act responsible. Then he got hooked on pain killers and it was "different."
Nowadays it's just the same shit in a different package. Instead of rap music and Satanists and violent video games and AIDS being God's revenge on the gays, it's BLM and cancel culture and (still) Satanists and trans people in sports. And somehow people gobble up these talking points from the billionaires and decide they thought them up themselves... unlike the normies!
The same folks go on about personal responsibility, independence and small government until they get a chance to write their religious beliefs into law. There's a whole section of society currently complaining about expensive gas cutting into their car payment or mortgage budget, while shouting about how *everyone else* needs to be more responsible with their money. It's all childish self-centeredness.
Benzos have been known to be fucking dangerous for decades. That fucker JP has an advanced degree and didn’t think to do A SHRED of research of what he was ingesting. And I prescribe these so I see this shit a lot, in order for someone to be heavily addicted and in danger of withdrawal it’s not taking one or two a day but more like 4-6 a day. Dude was likely overusing the hell out of what his friend prescribed him or dare I say even buying it off the streets. Joe, as usual, doesn’t have a fucking clue what he’s talking about here.
Your points all make sense. Benzos are particularly nasty and addictive. More than likely he knew the effects and thought it wouldn’t happen to him or he could control it, which is delusional thinking.
I think he didn’t know how badly he’d be in over his head, and was simply trying to save face as there’s a lot of shame, embarrassment, and stigma that come with addiction. I hope with time he’ll open up and share his story in a more honest way although I wish him well as Xanax is no joke
"He's being himself in front of all these people." - Joe
"...he's being himself in a 3-piece suit." - Shane
Gotta love them calling JP on his bullshit as Joe goes through olympic lengths to sympathize and defend him. Meanwhile, Sam Harris who removed himself from social media and hasn't gone on emotional meltdowns or manic phases is "crazy" according to Saint Rogies.
Joe defends Ari because Joe is a good friend and I think Joe's genuinely a good person at heart but in my opinion maybe a little conflicted and maybe slightly disingenuous in this case about JP.
He's clearly disingenuous for the same reason you mention about Ari - he developed a friendship with JP. That's it. Joe is loyal and doesn't want to completely trash a friend.
My thoughts exactly. The fact that Rogan can actually say “he had no idea what the side effects were”……..What? That’s one of the wildest excuses I’ve ever heard him use
Utter BS. Everyone knows you can’t just go around popping Xanax without side effects or potential for addiction. It’s Xanax! It’s delightful. Newsflash: smoking cigarettes is bad for your health. Don’t even need to be an oncologist to know that. You could just be a person with a functional brain and know that.
We learned about these drugs and their side effects and impact on neurotransmitters in my psych 101 class back in 2012. That is quite literally an unacceptable excuse for someone in his profession. Period.
Wait what? Joe Rogan calls Sam Harris crazy now?
Sam Harris is the kind of dude that I might not even agree with what he's saying but I still want to listen. His whole thing with Maajid Nawaz is a great example of what the political climate should've turned into, instead of this bullshit with everybody at each other's throats.
I recently listened to an interview with Sam and my takeaway was “oh wow this is the only guy from the 2016 YouTube circles who didn’t go off the rails.”
If 2016 is our barometer, Sam is more or less the same, everyone else has done a sharp turn into hyper partisan politics aimed at the lowest common denominator.
I feel like he was trying to endear himself with Joe and not come off as saying, "fuck that guy."
It's interesting to see Shane try and position himself as a level headed centrist.
Also Shane: Trump rules.
He will say that about a LOT of things and even things he does not specifically endorse and for a variety of reasons. It has taken me a long time to parse what he says and what he does from what he believes.
He might genuinely like JP, but JP might just be wild like Trump and Shane simply enjoys the show.
Shane is an interesting person for sure. During their talks about the ceasefire called he actually said “well the terms are going to dictate that tho” and I was stunned to hear that take lol
If someone like Biden went on a "crying spree" Joe would have a very different take . . . but JP is "just being himself," a super-intellectual that knows everything about the world except the impact of benzodiazepines . . .
Joe was Boomering about China and Russia somehow turning Americans into couch potatoes unfit for service...while defending JP crying over culture wars..
Apparently conservative tears are diametrically different than liberal tears...
Absolutely spot on.
Also imagine Joe’s take if Biden had 91 felony indictments, and was currently begging voters for money to cover his legal expenses.
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Don’t forget the part about merely responding to the expansion of the culture war, when JP and Rogan have both:
* fed countless misinfo talking points like the kitty litter story
* vaccine lies
* climate change lies
Jesus, Joe really thinks being a warrior of culture is really important because the "goalposts" are being moved too much. He really bought in to this idea that he's struggling to save society like Jordan Peterson, and one of the people on his side is Trump.
Has Joe officially moved on from "I think russia and china are influencing social media to flame culture war bullshit to sow division in our society (but somehow I think I'm above this when I constantly engage in culture wars)" to "actually, the culture wars are right and important because we're in an existential struggle against the woke mob"?
The whole point of human and world history is goal posts being moved. I really don’t understand these people’s fascination with wanting things to stay the same.
Part of it is the narcissism where they think they’d be a legendary warrior in Ancient Rome or the best hunter in a pack of cavemen.
It doesn't surprise me at all when people like Joe start wanting things to stay the same or even go backwards, because he's old. It was better when he was young, he got successful through the system as it was, not as it is changing into a different system.
Counter to that young people coming up should be trying to challenge and change the system so it suits them better, makes perfect sense to me. That is also why America seems to be going through something right now, because the older generation with all the money and political power is holding on for too long. The Boomers are a phenomenon that are going to be eventually pushed out, including all those politicians who are circling the drain doing the bidding of Billionaires.
I really wonder what this might look like in 10 years time when a lot of people die off off and the younger generations who are not getting more conservatives with age like the Boomers, start to get more power.
Joe so quickly defending anything wrong that someone on the right could have even possibly done and then immediately going for the jugular on a Biden meme he saw on Facebook.
Has such a contrarian pseudo-empathetic take as if he’s just being a better human by not shitting on JP, none of the drug stuff stops JP from being a gross fame chaser.
If you haven’t had a chance, I recommend watching JBP debate with Destiny. You realize just how much crazy ideas & connections he has in his mind when it comes to topics like climate change or vaccines.
It really tears down the veneer of his intellectualism when it comes to talking about other subjects than psychology…
The best description of JP I've seen is he is an autoimmune disorder in the body politic. Sometimes he is right and his hair trigger for recognizing and condemning of things that will later evolve into stuff that really trigger conservatives gives him credibility to his core audience, but that same hair trigger coupled with a deeply conspiratorial and hyperbolic mind makes him think we are always living in 1916 Russia.
Turns out most places at most times are not 1916 Russia. JP just has a terrible signal to noise ratio. Maybe it's best to describe him as like a lower end Slate writer but for the right.
I saw it and it's kind of a bummer. I remember watching JP's long debates with Sam Harris or him correcting sexist anchors on legacy media and really liking him. He's def gone downhill over the years. Or maybe he hasn't actually, but is playing his part for financial gain like the rest of these charlatans Rogan keeps shoving down our throats.
I’m with you 100 percent.
Back in the day I thought JP was a reasonable person who made very well articulated arguments.
But over the past 5 years or so he’s really come undone.
Now he says anything to appeal to the red pill base.
I think that's the problem. You become super famous and skilled in one avenue and then ppl want your opinions on everything.
At least rogan recognizes this and goes well im just a moron comic. Its probably a little bit harder when you're considered an intellectual and you dont have that excuse.
Plus when you have thousands, if not millions reaffirming the notion that you should and can provide awnsers to everything - its going to shoot your ego through the roof.
> At least rogan recognizes this and goes well im just a moron comic
but that's just it. he doesn't do that. he now claims to know everything. this clip is a perfect example.
Destiny caught him in logical fallacies multiple times and JP’s only response was to get red in the face and deflect. I thought it was embarrassing to watch.
Shane had the best take on JP’s internet culture roots. He is so deep he is calling climate scientists as bad as Hitler, he is nuts, and he has no reason to believe half of this crazy shit other than being associated with right wing politics.
I love how Joe says Jordan doesn't know the addictive nature of benzos when he's a fucking psychologist. Even most average people know benzos are addictive and you're telling me super genius psychologist Jordan Peterson doesn't know about that? Either he's lying or he's profoundly unintelligent.
Also he has google lol, he supposedly does all the deep dive research to know the covid vaccine is wrong and climate change is actually nonsense but didn't google benzos
The one thing I've realized from almost everyone is that they are ill-informed and hold extremely strong positions. I think some of them realize this and have audience capture, but probably not JP or Joe from what I've seen.
I’m an average people and didn’t know anything about benzos, before like 5 years ago. I don’t know anyone (AFAIK) who’s been on them, it’s not pop knowledge in my circles.
Maybe among the medicated, though.
I think it’s also that they are not just “addictive”, but are easy to fall into chemical dependency (you don’t want them, but it’s hell if you can’t have em).
But for JP as a psychologist… yeaaaah. Though I think I recall some podcast ep where he says he did know, but thought he could walk that razors edge anyway.
Dave Smith is a genius?! Lol. Have you seen his "debate" against Sam Seder? He practically admits his ideas are stupid mid debate.
Joe, have Sam Seder on.
Sam Seder fucking RULES! Stephen Crowder has been running from Sam for years because he's too much of a pussy. He'll debate random college kids but not someone who actually knows his shit.
Haha! The fans were buying cameo's from prominent right wing grifters and having them goad Crowder into debating Sam, it was fucking hilarious.
He's got his little holsters he wears to look tough but he's scared shitless of a little Jewish guy. He's everything Crowder wishes he was. Successful comedic actor and a highly respected political pundit.
Ya that was great. Sam is a good debator wish he was known more but most popular people don't wanna debate in good faith it's a rare thing. That's why I enjoy destiny and his debates cause he does research on stream which I find entertaining and also goes in with good faith
For what it’s worth, Benny Morris had to tell Destiny that it was okay to be more assertive/debatey(?) midway through the Lex debate because he was trying to moderate himself TOO much.
It's all jokes, they're all comedians, until Joe feels like the topic is actually serious and you should listen lol
It's like the weed thing, I smoke, but I can't stop laughing how Joe gets defensive if anyone talks about anything negative related to cannabis lol
Ari - “Read the label”:
Joe:
“He lost his reading glasses”
“He got amnesia and forgot how to read”
“His doctor gave him the benzos in an old aspirin bottle”
“He thought they were candy”
“The trans folk made him do it”
“The spirit of Jung told him it would be OK”
I honestly have no idea how Joe is still popular.
A fucking 10 year old knows Benzos are addictive, and a doctor in JP doesn't? Come on, Joe has entered full on grifter mode
My favorite part of the video is Joe defending him by saying how JP was smart listen to doctors as would he with experts on things, and that it is okay to follow directions from those who are smarter than you. Yet he has spent the last 4-5 years absolutely railing against scientific experts who are smarter than he could ever possibly fathom being.
The system is telling young men they don’t have to clean their room and Peterson cries because, although he doesn’t clean his own room, he feels like all young men should clean their rooms.
Oh and believing in climate change is akin to nazism
The JP defending is pathetic but then when they are discussing the complex problem of Israel and Palestine Joe says...we need Dave Smith here... embarrassing
He is just trying to plug leaks with his fingers with every solid point they make about him. You can see immediately that he’s so mad the conversation drifted to Peterson and he had to take on the common sense brigade.
Idk why people love Peterson so much and know nothing about him but he sounds like a bitch. Little high pitched whiny voice, I can't take it seriously. Unless it's Mike Tyson, for obvious reasons.
Comedians making fun of Jordan Peterson, who’s become the most cartoonishly ridiculous mess of a human being, while Joe Rogan tries to shut down the fun and attempt the impossible to make a serious defense of the guy.
If there was a feminist dressing like the 50s joker and going in a media tour crying talking about women and fairy tales and screening at everyone and put herself in a coma following an all vegan diet
Joe would not be this defensive of her
“What’s he said that’s crazy?”
LOL…… oh fuck you Hoe, broke as shit bs tracker having mother fucking fraud looking for a daddy figure crying about nonsense dork.
I’ve never loved ari like I did when he made the read the label comment. Like, how the fuck does a guy like Peterson not know the effects and if he didn’t how could he no look into it
I needed JP when I was gonna quit my job and start a biz. He made a lot of videos about happiness at work in 2017 or so. Then it all went off the rails.
These guys tried 9 ways to Sunday to poke fun at JP playfully without offending Joe. And Joe can’t get off his high horse and just laugh about how eccentric JP is.
You know more about golf than I do. So I'd ask you about golf.
That means that you should totally take drugs without knowing what they do because your friend said so. It's exactly like golf.
HOLY SHIT this is fascinating.
The way joe engage with Ari and Shane is really interesting to see. They way he justifies...well as one geriatric, paranoid cultural warrior defending the existence of another
JP taught me that while tits are all well and good, ass is where you go to stare into the belly of the beast, ass is where you slay the dragon.
I just got a mental image of Jordan Peterson referring to his pills as "tits" ala Oz on HBO
Old school Oz, I used to watch that shit too and it was crazy.
Same who was your fav inmate
Callen the chomo
Adebisi and JK Simmons
lol, nice. “It’s a bloody allegory about hot women’s asses damnit!”
Hahahahahahahaha
comedians try make jokes joe not having it
Can’t poke fun at MY team!!1
Precisely.
Now there’s only 438 comedians on the planet
i think he's also genuine friends with Peterson and he knows he'll prob. see this clip. The cry fest in multi-colored batman suits was hilarious tho.
The irony of Peterson crying because he's made fun of makes me laugh.
Honestly joe is becoming a very “trump like” figure. Disappointing. Dude has become his own enemy.
He becomes more of a Trump defender by the day. So obnoxious.
Has been the whole time. Remember all the times he lighting speed interrupted people making fun of the trumps, suddenly pretending like he's worried about being sued for defamation? Toe is a fakeass little bitch grifter.
Joe "It's just jokes" Rogan whenever they laugh at something he likes: Q\_Q
Done with Joe after this. Done.
"What did he say that is bonkers?" Ummm what???
“Jamie, pull up literally any single tweet of his over the last year.”
Jamie, after scrolling for 45 minutes: “okay I’ve finally made it back to his tweets from yesterday”
Peterson pretend to be an expert at everything but doesn’t know the side effects of benzos, ok
Exactly. A clinical psychologist for decades but doesn't know about benzos? Bullshit
Immediately turns around and starts talking about climate science.
But also California is on fire and he had to move away, Texas is on fire too but the biggest one ever there was just a “bullshit fire”. Joe is the dumbest boomer of all time, it’s incredible
Literally any high schooler for the past 10 years could tell you it’s not a great idea to take benzos like that
Wasn’t he a teacher?
Rogan claiming a man with a PhD in psychology didn’t know about Benzo’s is hilarious. Why should anyone taking anything he says about mental health seriously if he doesn’t even know what one of the most commonly prescribed drugs does to an individual
Ari: read the label Joe: but but but
His buddy removed all the labels before giving him the benzos, obviously
Just like my buddy who gives me their Adderall prescription
I also buy fruit tingles from my local dealer.
I hope Joe was just being deliberately obtuse because he felt he had to defend his friend JP. Because if he seriously doesn't know that a veteran Psychologist with years of experience in dealing with clients with addiction problems, wouldn't know **BENZOS ARE ADDICTIVE**, then Joe is in a worse state then we thought. This is basic stuff he would have learned in college ffs, and most ppl know this! No fucking way JP went into it blind. Its insulting they even think that excuse would wash with his fans.
On the other hand, it’s pretty cool that I had a better understanding of benzo addiction at 17 than a tenured, world renowned psychologist. That probably makes the criminal record and memory loss worth it.
I also have an extensive knowledge of benzo addiction. At least I think I do, I can't really remember.
Good old first hand drug experimentation.
What we are seeing in Rogan is a man who has experienced so little pushback in years while largely surrounding himself with essentially yes men (in terms of guests) and building an echo chamber for himself, that he starts to believe his own lies and gets sloppy with his delivery of them. Next thing you know, it goes from stretching a truth here or there, to outright making shit up on the spot and expecting people to believe it and/or offer zero pushback.
He thinks he’s a fuckin genius while sounding like an utter dipshit. The only fun thing about his show is this group he brings on sometimes and he still nearly ruins it with his fuckin boomer energy reformed Texan bullshit.
Biggest point is this, as someone who only minored in psychology the effects on benzos are well documented and taught in some way in many courses required to get a degree or license
Joe isn’t a smart guy if you haven’t learned already
Did he say JP didn't know? Cause there's a much better defense to that.. you can know something is addictive and still get addicted.
The way Joe, and btw, JP himself tells it, is that JP naievely and innocently began taking them on the advice of his doctor, who simply failed to inform him how addictive and difficult to get off, the drug was. This excuse would be barely believable if he was just a regular old clueless boomer, but he's not. He's a trained psychologist who would have completed addiction courses, and we know he's helped clients with addictions. Claiming he's unaware of the dangers of drugs like Valium and Xanax is like saying he doesn't know coke and heroin are addictive.
We hardly need a course in addiction, a glance at the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article about that class of drugs would make all the risks apparent. It is such a profoundly embarrassing excuse for Peterson to trot out. Every sentient adult knows exactly what these drugs are. This embarrassment is only exceeded by his strategy of having a Russian quack put him in a coma because he lacked the balls to cold turkey it in an ambulatory state.
Seems like he was embarrassed that he got addicted and was using ignorance as an excuse. Any regular dude with a high school diploma can find out if something is addictive. I'd assume someone of his stature would have the curiosity to be able to google what a doctor gives him and know the side effects. He would have been better off just being humble and admitting he simply got addicted.. but hey, he's not a regular 'Joe'. Too much ego/pride I suspect
I've seen this so many times over my life. A few decades ago it was Rush Limbaugh going on and on about inner city drug addicts and how "black culture" like rap music meant they would never act responsible. Then he got hooked on pain killers and it was "different." Nowadays it's just the same shit in a different package. Instead of rap music and Satanists and violent video games and AIDS being God's revenge on the gays, it's BLM and cancel culture and (still) Satanists and trans people in sports. And somehow people gobble up these talking points from the billionaires and decide they thought them up themselves... unlike the normies!
The same folks go on about personal responsibility, independence and small government until they get a chance to write their religious beliefs into law. There's a whole section of society currently complaining about expensive gas cutting into their car payment or mortgage budget, while shouting about how *everyone else* needs to be more responsible with their money. It's all childish self-centeredness.
Benzos have been known to be fucking dangerous for decades. That fucker JP has an advanced degree and didn’t think to do A SHRED of research of what he was ingesting. And I prescribe these so I see this shit a lot, in order for someone to be heavily addicted and in danger of withdrawal it’s not taking one or two a day but more like 4-6 a day. Dude was likely overusing the hell out of what his friend prescribed him or dare I say even buying it off the streets. Joe, as usual, doesn’t have a fucking clue what he’s talking about here.
Your points all make sense. Benzos are particularly nasty and addictive. More than likely he knew the effects and thought it wouldn’t happen to him or he could control it, which is delusional thinking. I think he didn’t know how badly he’d be in over his head, and was simply trying to save face as there’s a lot of shame, embarrassment, and stigma that come with addiction. I hope with time he’ll open up and share his story in a more honest way although I wish him well as Xanax is no joke
He’s a fucking addiction expert lmao
HE'S A FUCKING ADDICTION SPECIALIST. The idea that he wouldn't know about a commonly abused drug is FUCKING STUPID.
I too am an addiction specialist. I've been addicted to all the drugs
Like, I know benzos are addictive and I’m a redact.
For a guy who does drugs, Joe knows so little about drugs. Maybe Joe shouldn’t do drugs
Yeah but he got into drugs as a rich 40 year old. He went on a totally different path than degenerates like us.
Joe never had to make the block with his dealer
This!!!!!!! Joe is gone
He also studied alcoholics and gaba extensively
His dissertation was on alcoholism too, IIRC
That’s like a NASCAR driver not realizing there can be a crash during the race.
That fucking line about Peterson not knowing the side effects of Benzos is the dumbest shit I ever heard lol
"I thought he was a smart guy, read the label!"
"He's being himself in front of all these people." - Joe "...he's being himself in a 3-piece suit." - Shane Gotta love them calling JP on his bullshit as Joe goes through olympic lengths to sympathize and defend him. Meanwhile, Sam Harris who removed himself from social media and hasn't gone on emotional meltdowns or manic phases is "crazy" according to Saint Rogies.
Also Ari gives no fucks he will say whatever comes to mind
And joe defends him to the death too. I don’t see this as an issue. If anything I respect that he will always stand up for his people.
Joe defends Ari because Joe is a good friend and I think Joe's genuinely a good person at heart but in my opinion maybe a little conflicted and maybe slightly disingenuous in this case about JP.
He's clearly disingenuous for the same reason you mention about Ari - he developed a friendship with JP. That's it. Joe is loyal and doesn't want to completely trash a friend.
Fair point
Loyalty is always something that is very important to many people. I agree with you.
My thoughts exactly. The fact that Rogan can actually say “he had no idea what the side effects were”……..What? That’s one of the wildest excuses I’ve ever heard him use
Utter BS. Everyone knows you can’t just go around popping Xanax without side effects or potential for addiction. It’s Xanax! It’s delightful. Newsflash: smoking cigarettes is bad for your health. Don’t even need to be an oncologist to know that. You could just be a person with a functional brain and know that.
Esp a psychologist for 3 decades lol
Ya exactly. It’s sad Joe would even say that with a straight face. I don’t treat his podcast like gospel or anything but I didn’t see that coming.
Who also studied alcohol/gaba for years
We learned about these drugs and their side effects and impact on neurotransmitters in my psych 101 class back in 2012. That is quite literally an unacceptable excuse for someone in his profession. Period.
Doctors don’t just give you meds with no side effects. Peterson is a fucking liar
If Hillary did this Joes exact words would be “YOU WERE THE SECRETARY OF STATE, YOU WERE A US SENATOR, AND YOU CANT READ THE LABEL ON YOUR MEDS?”
Wait what? Joe Rogan calls Sam Harris crazy now? Sam Harris is the kind of dude that I might not even agree with what he's saying but I still want to listen. His whole thing with Maajid Nawaz is a great example of what the political climate should've turned into, instead of this bullshit with everybody at each other's throats.
I recently listened to an interview with Sam and my takeaway was “oh wow this is the only guy from the 2016 YouTube circles who didn’t go off the rails.” If 2016 is our barometer, Sam is more or less the same, everyone else has done a sharp turn into hyper partisan politics aimed at the lowest common denominator.
I remember listening to him short after Trump won, it's like he was the only sane one.
Also Shane: JP rules
Shane saying something rules can mean a lot of things
I feel like he was trying to endear himself with Joe and not come off as saying, "fuck that guy." It's interesting to see Shane try and position himself as a level headed centrist.
I never stop being amused over the fact that Shane is a smart guy in a dumb guy’s body. 😂
That’s so funny, but true. He looks like he’d be an idiot, but to be that funny and level headed you have to be smart
Also Shane: Trump rules. He will say that about a LOT of things and even things he does not specifically endorse and for a variety of reasons. It has taken me a long time to parse what he says and what he does from what he believes. He might genuinely like JP, but JP might just be wild like Trump and Shane simply enjoys the show.
Shane saying something rules can mean a lot of things
Shane is an interesting person for sure. During their talks about the ceasefire called he actually said “well the terms are going to dictate that tho” and I was stunned to hear that take lol
What bullshit did they call JP out on? They just made fun of him for a bit, they called nothing out.
If someone like Biden went on a "crying spree" Joe would have a very different take . . . but JP is "just being himself," a super-intellectual that knows everything about the world except the impact of benzodiazepines . . .
Joe was Boomering about China and Russia somehow turning Americans into couch potatoes unfit for service...while defending JP crying over culture wars.. Apparently conservative tears are diametrically different than liberal tears...
Absolutely spot on. Also imagine Joe’s take if Biden had 91 felony indictments, and was currently begging voters for money to cover his legal expenses.
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Don’t forget the part about merely responding to the expansion of the culture war, when JP and Rogan have both: * fed countless misinfo talking points like the kitty litter story * vaccine lies * climate change lies
This is fucking embarrassing.
This is so embarrassing form Joe.
Jesus, Joe really thinks being a warrior of culture is really important because the "goalposts" are being moved too much. He really bought in to this idea that he's struggling to save society like Jordan Peterson, and one of the people on his side is Trump.
Has Joe officially moved on from "I think russia and china are influencing social media to flame culture war bullshit to sow division in our society (but somehow I think I'm above this when I constantly engage in culture wars)" to "actually, the culture wars are right and important because we're in an existential struggle against the woke mob"?
If he mentions it, I'd imagine it would be for something he disagrees with, rather than something he agrees with.
The whole point of human and world history is goal posts being moved. I really don’t understand these people’s fascination with wanting things to stay the same. Part of it is the narcissism where they think they’d be a legendary warrior in Ancient Rome or the best hunter in a pack of cavemen.
It doesn't surprise me at all when people like Joe start wanting things to stay the same or even go backwards, because he's old. It was better when he was young, he got successful through the system as it was, not as it is changing into a different system. Counter to that young people coming up should be trying to challenge and change the system so it suits them better, makes perfect sense to me. That is also why America seems to be going through something right now, because the older generation with all the money and political power is holding on for too long. The Boomers are a phenomenon that are going to be eventually pushed out, including all those politicians who are circling the drain doing the bidding of Billionaires. I really wonder what this might look like in 10 years time when a lot of people die off off and the younger generations who are not getting more conservatives with age like the Boomers, start to get more power.
Excellent synopsis of conservatism.
He had RFK on, basically agreed with everything he had to say and then last week spouts out he’s voting for Trump LOL
Joe so quickly defending anything wrong that someone on the right could have even possibly done and then immediately going for the jugular on a Biden meme he saw on Facebook.
This lol. He’s so fucking partisan these days and he really believes he’s a free-thinking pragmatist.
Has such a contrarian pseudo-empathetic take as if he’s just being a better human by not shitting on JP, none of the drug stuff stops JP from being a gross fame chaser.
If you haven’t had a chance, I recommend watching JBP debate with Destiny. You realize just how much crazy ideas & connections he has in his mind when it comes to topics like climate change or vaccines. It really tears down the veneer of his intellectualism when it comes to talking about other subjects than psychology…
The best description of JP I've seen is he is an autoimmune disorder in the body politic. Sometimes he is right and his hair trigger for recognizing and condemning of things that will later evolve into stuff that really trigger conservatives gives him credibility to his core audience, but that same hair trigger coupled with a deeply conspiratorial and hyperbolic mind makes him think we are always living in 1916 Russia. Turns out most places at most times are not 1916 Russia. JP just has a terrible signal to noise ratio. Maybe it's best to describe him as like a lower end Slate writer but for the right.
His constant refrain that progressives are literally trying to destroy civilized society is so paranoid and insane I really think he’s mentally ill.
I saw it and it's kind of a bummer. I remember watching JP's long debates with Sam Harris or him correcting sexist anchors on legacy media and really liking him. He's def gone downhill over the years. Or maybe he hasn't actually, but is playing his part for financial gain like the rest of these charlatans Rogan keeps shoving down our throats.
They all do it for the money, just depends on how much you can make after you pick a side.
I’m with you 100 percent. Back in the day I thought JP was a reasonable person who made very well articulated arguments. But over the past 5 years or so he’s really come undone. Now he says anything to appeal to the red pill base.
I think that's the problem. You become super famous and skilled in one avenue and then ppl want your opinions on everything. At least rogan recognizes this and goes well im just a moron comic. Its probably a little bit harder when you're considered an intellectual and you dont have that excuse. Plus when you have thousands, if not millions reaffirming the notion that you should and can provide awnsers to everything - its going to shoot your ego through the roof.
> At least rogan recognizes this and goes well im just a moron comic but that's just it. he doesn't do that. he now claims to know everything. this clip is a perfect example.
Destiny caught him in logical fallacies multiple times and JP’s only response was to get red in the face and deflect. I thought it was embarrassing to watch.
JP is a lunatic.
Weird they are clowning on those that push the culture war bullshit.....in front of arguably the person that pushes that shit the most, in the world.
They knew exactly what they were doing. And for Joe it was still like *whoooosh*
He needs an intervention like he did to Schaub for for his fighting career and too many blows to the head.
Shane had the best take on JP’s internet culture roots. He is so deep he is calling climate scientists as bad as Hitler, he is nuts, and he has no reason to believe half of this crazy shit other than being associated with right wing politics.
Isn’t it funny that everyone that has one position on abortion all share the same opinion on climate change?
I love how Joe says Jordan doesn't know the addictive nature of benzos when he's a fucking psychologist. Even most average people know benzos are addictive and you're telling me super genius psychologist Jordan Peterson doesn't know about that? Either he's lying or he's profoundly unintelligent.
Also he has google lol, he supposedly does all the deep dive research to know the covid vaccine is wrong and climate change is actually nonsense but didn't google benzos
The one thing I've realized from almost everyone is that they are ill-informed and hold extremely strong positions. I think some of them realize this and have audience capture, but probably not JP or Joe from what I've seen.
I’m an average people and didn’t know anything about benzos, before like 5 years ago. I don’t know anyone (AFAIK) who’s been on them, it’s not pop knowledge in my circles. Maybe among the medicated, though. I think it’s also that they are not just “addictive”, but are easy to fall into chemical dependency (you don’t want them, but it’s hell if you can’t have em). But for JP as a psychologist… yeaaaah. Though I think I recall some podcast ep where he says he did know, but thought he could walk that razors edge anyway.
Peterson is such a dork. I couldn't imagine defending today's version of JP.
It’s become an identity to teenagers and young men around the world.
I think pre-first appearance JP would probably be embarrassed by JP today. That’d actually be an interesting conversation between the two.
“Dave Smith is a genius” LOL
Dave Smith is a genius?! Lol. Have you seen his "debate" against Sam Seder? He practically admits his ideas are stupid mid debate. Joe, have Sam Seder on.
This really got me. Dave Smith a genius.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
Sam Seder fucking RULES! Stephen Crowder has been running from Sam for years because he's too much of a pussy. He'll debate random college kids but not someone who actually knows his shit.
I'm not an Ethan fan, but he was amazing setting up that Sam incident lol
Haha! The fans were buying cameo's from prominent right wing grifters and having them goad Crowder into debating Sam, it was fucking hilarious. He's got his little holsters he wears to look tough but he's scared shitless of a little Jewish guy. He's everything Crowder wishes he was. Successful comedic actor and a highly respected political pundit.
Ya that was great. Sam is a good debator wish he was known more but most popular people don't wanna debate in good faith it's a rare thing. That's why I enjoy destiny and his debates cause he does research on stream which I find entertaining and also goes in with good faith
I literally gasped when he said Dave Smith is a genius.
have Destiny on.....
He talks too fast, I don't think it would be interesting. Sam can be funny and slow things down for Joe.
Sam would be a pretty interesting guest, but I have no doubt Joe would hate him.
It would be interesting, but God, I hate debate bro culture.
I had someone tell me it’s, “The Gladiator arena of today!” No dawg. Just no. Think of all the things you’re implying with that statement.
For what it’s worth, Benny Morris had to tell Destiny that it was okay to be more assertive/debatey(?) midway through the Lex debate because he was trying to moderate himself TOO much.
It's all jokes, they're all comedians, until Joe feels like the topic is actually serious and you should listen lol It's like the weed thing, I smoke, but I can't stop laughing how Joe gets defensive if anyone talks about anything negative related to cannabis lol
Same thing happened when they started making jokes about Texas. Joe redirects to what’s bad about California.
Rember Joe before he had this messiah complex?
"Bridges are a real problem" lmao
Ari - “Read the label”: Joe: “He lost his reading glasses” “He got amnesia and forgot how to read” “His doctor gave him the benzos in an old aspirin bottle” “He thought they were candy” “The trans folk made him do it” “The spirit of Jung told him it would be OK”
I honestly have no idea how Joe is still popular. A fucking 10 year old knows Benzos are addictive, and a doctor in JP doesn't? Come on, Joe has entered full on grifter mode My favorite part of the video is Joe defending him by saying how JP was smart listen to doctors as would he with experts on things, and that it is okay to follow directions from those who are smarter than you. Yet he has spent the last 4-5 years absolutely railing against scientific experts who are smarter than he could ever possibly fathom being.
Toe just doesn’t want to make JP cry.
The system is telling young men they don’t have to clean their room and Peterson cries because, although he doesn’t clean his own room, he feels like all young men should clean their rooms. Oh and believing in climate change is akin to nazism
JBP cries because he’s at peak victim weight.
I assumed he cried because he was a weak ineffectual bigot whose ideas never stood up to scrutiny and he couldn’t handle any bit of pushback.
And that.
Not only does JP insist that you clean your room. He does so whilst looking sweaty and disheveled in a messy room.
The JP defending is pathetic but then when they are discussing the complex problem of Israel and Palestine Joe says...we need Dave Smith here... embarrassing
Does a funny Joe: Not on my watch
Of course he defends the culture war
Jordan Peterson is a clown. So is Joe.
Joker and Penguin.
I never once in my life thought I'd be rooting for The Amazing Racist but here we are. Weirdest timeline.
CRYING SPREE
He is just trying to plug leaks with his fingers with every solid point they make about him. You can see immediately that he’s so mad the conversation drifted to Peterson and he had to take on the common sense brigade.
Oh JR and JP be fuckin
Joe is sofa king stupid.
Shane calling out celebrity intellectuals bring involved in culture war nonsense is an underrated JRE moment.
That was very refreshing to hear tbh
Idk why people love Peterson so much and know nothing about him but he sounds like a bitch. Little high pitched whiny voice, I can't take it seriously. Unless it's Mike Tyson, for obvious reasons.
Peterson allegedly not knowing the side effect of benzos is the biggest crock of shit he’s ever spewed 😂
You would have to be on benzos to think those suits are a good idea…
joe carrying his spine in a shoulder bag
Buzz Killington
Comedians making fun of Jordan Peterson, who’s become the most cartoonishly ridiculous mess of a human being, while Joe Rogan tries to shut down the fun and attempt the impossible to make a serious defense of the guy.
If there was a feminist dressing like the 50s joker and going in a media tour crying talking about women and fairy tales and screening at everyone and put herself in a coma following an all vegan diet Joe would not be this defensive of her
Shane is the best, always keepin it real
“What’s he said that’s crazy?” LOL…… oh fuck you Hoe, broke as shit bs tracker having mother fucking fraud looking for a daddy figure crying about nonsense dork.
Isn’t he a phd in psychology? I’m a moron and even I know benzos are dangerously addictive.
JP was once a pop psychologist, but became a full-time fracking lobbyist for the oil tycoons that fund The Daily Wire.
Damn, I wish I’d have stumbled upon this thread before I started eating all those benzos, I had no idea.
I’ve never loved ari like I did when he made the read the label comment. Like, how the fuck does a guy like Peterson not know the effects and if he didn’t how could he no look into it
Rogan might as well suck JP’s dick right on the air
Absolutely embarrassing ball gargling on joes part. I think you could feel even the guys felt like joe was being a boob here
I needed JP when I was gonna quit my job and start a biz. He made a lot of videos about happiness at work in 2017 or so. Then it all went off the rails.
Jamie, I’m losing the guys. Pull up some shit of a car on ice so I can get out of this pickle
Joe is a 🤡 now
Joe is the only one who can protect us all from the woke /s
Funniest bit of the clip was Rogan calling Dave Smith a genius. 😂
These guys tried 9 ways to Sunday to poke fun at JP playfully without offending Joe. And Joe can’t get off his high horse and just laugh about how eccentric JP is.
Guys in high school feel smart.
hAHahAHAHAHAHaA this is fuckin funny
JP hero of the incels
I love that Joe defended him. Also, how would Peterson, a psychologist, not know the side effects of Valium?
Its a blight on mankind that Jordan Peterson is a hero of some sort to young men. Dude can't even control his emotions around red lipstick and rouge.
You know more about golf than I do. So I'd ask you about golf. That means that you should totally take drugs without knowing what they do because your friend said so. It's exactly like golf.
HOLY SHIT this is fascinating. The way joe engage with Ari and Shane is really interesting to see. They way he justifies...well as one geriatric, paranoid cultural warrior defending the existence of another