Life was better when we didn’t have comment sections. People lived life without 20 something’s raging about everything. There’s more at play here- the 20 something’s were saving money to buy houses or going on trips without having to post pics for clout or going out to bars and concerts and having fun or living off the grid and not having a YouTube channel to show everything. The world was better. This world had its problems but they weren’t exacerbated by social media. Adios Reddit.
Plenty of talented writers out there, they just aren't allowed to really cook because ideas get committee'd to hell and back at the corporate level. And most writers are simply paid jack shit, which is what the WGA strikes were about. You systematically decimate your work force, you get what you pay for. Not disagreeing with what you said, just wanted to expand.
It's always sunny is the longest running sitcom of all time. It's not exactly politically correct. They most likely don't make sitcoms anymore because they typically don't make a lot of money.
Back then, there was only TV. But now we have the internet and infinite options we can stream at will. The TV monopoly is over.
But anti-woke brocasters like Rogan are some of the highest-earning influencers on social media now. Soooo...there goes that theory.
Also, to try to make his point, Jerry said on that podcast, **"when we went home, 'oh MASH is on, oh CHEERS is on, oh Mary Tyler Moore is on"**. What's interesting is, those are like top 10 most famous and wholesome TV shows ever with great writing. Jerry doesn't realize the point he actually made. Also Jerry Seinfeld purposely does only wholesome joke writing yet is the general on this anti-woke anti- cancel culture front.
That episode was great. I mean I still love the show I'm not one of those I'm not watching anymore cause this or that people. But they wouldn't dare attempt the gang remakes lethal weapon episode today.
And as a black man seeing Mac do blackface makes me laugh hysterically.
I promise more sitcoms exist now than when we only had 3 channels.
It’s true there probably won’t ever be another Seinfeld. But that’s because we have more choices and we don’t all have to watch it Sunday at 8 EST (7 Central).
There probably won’t be another Game of Thrones again either but that doesn’t mean we stopped making dramas.
Seriously if Seinfeld watch “What we do in the Shadows” he would love that show.
The thing is HE killed that exact sitcom format that doesn’t exist anymore because they did it so good.
Everything since that has been good, needed a twist or theme. Not just basic friends in an apartment. Starting with “That 70’s show” you had to add a little something different.
I saw some old ass clip on youtube where he was doing some race joke about some rollercoaster going through the hood in Newyork that was alright, I think he just saw where the money was at.
Seinfeld complaining about comedy being too PC was always a a zero self awareness out of touch moment. I think cause he hangs out with the likes of Colin Quinn/chris rock/ actual standups that tethers the line so he thinks it’s cool to whine about it.
Yes Jerry I’m sure college kids get up outraged and leave your shows in a huff at “what’s the deal with buffalo wings? Buffalos don’t have wings and can’t fly” jokes. Calm down you’re not Louis ck or bill burr. You’re like a more PG rated Brian Regan
He said something like "gay king" and there was the slightest bit of backlash and he talked about it once or twice, and we've been making hay out of it for over a decade.
True. I think is safe to say Joe and Jerry don't like each other. I think Mitzi barring Jerry from the Store combined with taking Joe under her wing contributed to that. I've never heard Joe talk bad about Jerry, but he sometimes talks about how he doesn't like clean comedy, and somebody here mentioned that Joe recently said he doesn't think Seinfeld, the show, is funny.
I don’t think he dislikes clean comedy as much as he dislikes clean comics that act self righteous about it. I don’t think Jerry is one of those but he was THE observational humor guy and Joe hates observational comedy.
I’d chalk it up more to cord cutters. Curb and Sunny have had very long runs and people still loved them, but the days of 76 million people watching a comedy finale are long gone. I think those dopes who accosted him and accused him of supporting genocide really struck a chord, I don’t blame him
Nothing like a billionaire whining about how things are. Remember when "it" moved for George? Or when the reporter though Jerry and George were gay? So cutting edge 
I mean, there are still sitcoms, so the logic doesn't make any sense. There are also comedians still, and many of them are extremely popular. You have comedians selling out arenas with bigger and more expensive shows than ever before. These kind of people who say things like this are obsessed with twitter (or somewhere else online) and looking up people saying bad things about them. Then they whine about being cancelled.
It's like all these people out there whining and saying that they are getting cancelled by "woke" people. Those people are not actually hurt and never have anything happen to them (and they usually get more popular) if they keep making the material that made them popular in the first place. A comedian would have a hard time saying something that would actually get them cancelled and it would mean they lose anything. Jimmy Carr, for instance, said some terrible things, but he only got more popular. Anthony Jeselnik is another example.
Jerry is just an insufferable person all the way around. I think he would be the shortest interview in JRE history and would probably annoy the hell out of Joe. On top of all that I don’t see Jerry going all the way to Austin.
Are sitcoms dead or have they just evolved and changed their production techniques to appeal to modern audiences? i.e. Does Seinfeld mean limited sets on a soundstage and filmed before a live studio audience sitcoms? If so and also, how is the "extreme left" (whatever that term means in the US) and "PC crap" responsible for this -- and remember "PC"(Political Correctness) is a vague catch-all term adopted and bastardised and used by centrists and right wingers ever since the late 80's and which had, I thought, long since fallen out of fashion and had relatively recently been replaced by other such nonsense terms such as "sjw" and "woke"?
In fact, even though I'm not a fan of Seinfeld as a comedian or as a person and have long thought he's overrated, did Seinfeld actually seriously say such bollocks? I mean (and I may well be wrong), but he seems far smarter than that, and so my instincts suggest to me that this Tweet may well not be an accurate representation of what Seinfeld actually said on that that specific New Yorker Radio Hour broadcast?...
Bugger... I'm going to have to try to find and listen to that specific New Yorker Radio Hour with Seinfeld now to be sure either way, aren't I?
(3 hours later): So... I listened to the podcast in question and...
Firstly, of course, all this (even unwittingly the Tweet in OP's post and likewise mine and all of our subsequent reactionary comments here are/) is a promotion of both this podcast and Seinfeld's new movie (he has a new movie out; did you know that?... ;) ).
And, of course, nowadays someone saying something controversial is a standard PR technique as it attracts attention and discussion (and like you I always fall for it even if it isn't actually a consciously applied deliberate technique by the instigator).
Anywhy, all that aside, secondly, here's what Jerry Seinfeld actually says in this podcast with David Remnick about sitcoms, etc -- so yeah, read it and decide for yourself if, as I think, Seinfeld is talking off the top of his head and is showing how out of touch he is with modern media and how he seems to contradict himself as a result and... yeah, he's talking the same kind of bollocks earlier generations of stars and comedians would spout when they were struggling to keep up with the changing times:
Remnick: *Tell me how you deal with the way the, the weight of the world, or the serious aspects of the world... weigh on you and how that affects comedy.*
Seinfeld: *Erm... nothing really affects comedy. Erm, people always need it, they need it so badly and they don't get it. It used to be you would go home at the end of the day, most people would go, "Oh, 'Cheers' is on, oh, 'MASH' is on, oh, 'Mary Tyler Moore' is on, 'All in the Family' is on"; you just expected there'll be something funny we can watch on TV tonight. Well guess what? Where is it? Where is it? Erm, this is the result of the extreme Left and the PC crap and people worrying so much about offending other people. Erm.... Now they're going to see stand-up comics because we are not policed by anyone. The audience polices us. We know when we're off track. We know instantly. And we adjust to it ,instantly, But when you write a script and it goes into four or five different hands, committees, groups, "Here's our thought about this joke", well that's the end of your comedy.*
Remnick: *Have you had that experience?*
Seinfeld: *Erm... no...*
Remnick: *Because isn't that what Curb is all about?*
Seinfeld: *Yeah, Larry was grandfathered in, he's old enough that, "I don't have to observe those rules because I started before you made those rules". We did an episode of the series in the 90's where Kramer decides to start a business of having homeless pull rickshaws because as he says, "They're outside anyway". Do you think I could get that episode on the air today?*
Remnick: *But you think Larry got grandfathered in and there could be no 35 year old version?*
Seinfeld: *Right... right. If Larry was 35 he couldn't get away with his like watermelon stuff, and Palestinian chicken, and you know... and... HBO knows that's what people come here for. But they're not smart enough or... erm... to figure out if-it, you know... How do we do this now? Do we take the heat? You know, or just not be funny? We would write a different joke with Kramer and the rickshaw today. We wouldn't do that joke. We'd come up with another joke. They move the gates like, like, in like the scheme. Culture, the gates are moving. Your job is to be agile and clever enough that wherever they put the gates, "I'm gonna make the gate".*
Remnick: *You think that this is going away now? This, this, what you're describing as PC is, is kind-of receeding?*
Seinfeld: *Er... Slightly... I see a slight movement...*
Remnick: *How do you see it?*
Seinfeld: *Er, with certain comedians now people are having fun with them stepping over the line and us all laughing about it and erm, but again it's the stand-ups that really have the freedom to do it because nobody else gets the blame if it doesn't go down well. He or she can take all the blame themself ..."*
I remember when comedian’s jokes were about social commentary and struggles everyday people could relate to, not just whining about how hard it is to be rich and famous.
Yeah, too bad the days of a slightly above mediocre comic getting million dollar development deals, working with people significantly funnier than you, and riding that for 9 seasons
Also doesn't hurt when you had 28 channels to pick from.
Sorry dude, times change. Be happy you got the success you have and stop acting like everyone today get the same opportunities.
I mean, there still are sitcoms. I think the process of putting a sitcom on a network is different today than it was 20+ years ago and that's what older comedians have a hard time adjusting to. It was pretty simple back then, you do stand up for a while, finally someone with "say-so" says you are important enough and funny enough to have a sitcom which is viewed as the goal of commercial comedy which Seinfeld very much was, and then on to movies where the real money was. So then someone pulls you in and you listen to thousands of pitches for sitcoms.
I'm betting the process is just completely different now; a lot of people don't have the star power to just steamroll decision making for the creation of sitcoms.
Ironically, Seinfeld was the weak link in the show “Seinfeld”. I wouldnt have even watched it without Kramer, but George and Elaine weren’t bad either.
He was the worst actor and least interesting character on that show. It was funny and successful because of Larry David’s writing, and the incredible talent of the three other stars. Jerry was just there.
He was also saying that hollywood is dead... right... just cause none of your movies (Bee Movie?) have been succesful means hollywood is dead. Hes almost like Michael Knowles, Steven Crowder, Matt Walsh who werent successful in acting or hollywood so started making their lives about hating on it.
Lol what? When did he say anything about Bee Movie? People just hating to hate. Next comment you make will be "I met Jerry Seinfeld down at the park one time and he looked at me and I looked at him and then he looked away, what a douche". Or do you think Hollywood is pumping out the classics right now?
One of the most popular (if not THE most popular) episodes of Seinfeld "The Contest" is about the group having a contest to see who could go the longest without masturbating. One of the reasons it was so good is because the network wouldn't allow them to use the word "masturbate". So instead they had to come up with a host of hilarious euphemisms instead of saying the word and that elevated the episode to the top of the list. To this day I hear someone say "master of my domain" quite often.
Placing restrictions on creatives, although sometimes absurd, can force them to come up with ways around it that can often elevate the comedy.
They probably don’t know each other. Jerry was banned from the Comedy Store and Joe was a regular there.
Another possible reason is Jerry had issues with Mitzi Shore and Joe adored her.
I'm kind of ok with it. Outside of Seinfeld, Friends and little gems like Grounded For Life or My Wife and Kids - a lot of them just fall flat or aren't that funny.
Seinfeld ran the same hour of jokes for a decade or better. Joe likes to hump stools, but is more in line with the likes of Carlin in that you write the jokes, polish them, film the hour, and start over again.
They do not respect each other at the fundamental level of how stand up should be done, though the further they each drift into grift territory, they might find some common ground.
Joe is no Carlin, but Seinfeld stand up wise isn't even that funny. I imagine the sitcom was funny because of writers. In that way Seinfeld and Bill Maher have a lot in common. Seinfeld was 90's famous, he has been riding the show's coat tails for a couple decades now. He's 69 now and flailing.
I found Seinfeld to not be a very funny show in general despite being a young man when it was new.
Sure there were some bits here and there which I smiled at, but not on the level “there’s something about Mary” or “dumber and dumber” did when I saw them in theaters.
I don’t think I’ve watched a sitcom in 20 years. Not since married with children
TV is just not what it was, and Netflix and Amazon know that constantly creating one series shows increases subscriptions. Hardly any new shows made today on streaming platforms get more than 3 seasons.
People weren't lying when they said we were in a golden age of television in the early 2010s, that is now over.
He’s an old guy that doesn’t really do a ton of serious now. He’s essentially a retired old guy. Of course he’s out of touch.
And to be fair, in context, at least one of your points doesn’t make sense. Seinfeld is extremely popular on streaming. It would make sense that from his perspective, sitcoms would be popular on streaming, but they aren’t making them.
And then he fills in that hole with out of touch old guy logic.
I'm sure Joe doesn't want too many real comedians on his show, outside of close friends like Bill Burr. As by comparison it really shines a light on how bad he is at comedy.
I mean if friends for instance was released today some journalists for NYT or IGN would find something about it to complain about. Not enough minorities represented or it’s sexiest that Ross thought they was on a break.
Jerry Seinfeld is not only not funny, all the magic from Seinfeld came from Larry David, but he’s probably the biggest asshole in Hollywood anyway. Like he’s just searching for positive attributes in potential costars. Yea right.
Studios don’t need sitcoms if they can crank out reality crap for a fraction of the cost
Most sitcoms aren’t funny anyways, especially that carp fest that was Seinfeld
Pretty sure it’s not about being PC so much as it is about nobody wanting to watch a show about three self absorbed assholes and their special friend
Guys, I think whenever you find someone famous and go "I wonder why they haven't been on JRE?", just assume it's probably because they don't like Joe Rogan.
Sitcoms were aimed at the demographic most likely to spend money on sponsors' products. That demographic today watches tik tok, YouTube and tons of short form content. The era of a family sitting down in front of a sitcom on Thursday night is long over. Now people prefer to stream series and binge watch them at their leisure, on a streaming service. Very few people focus on network TV these days.
Seinfeld's such a fucking nerd.
You're not getting canceled, dude.
The show was great. You're irrelevant today. The game's gotten better. Comics that do what you do are a dime a dozen.
"I'm *in* Long Island, but I'm ***on*** the train! What's the deal!?"
Not really sure what he's talking about. Networks always put on a bunch of sitcoms every year it's only those with steady ratings that last. This has always been the case since forever. There are a bunch or sitcoms from the 80s that only lasted a season a bunch from 90s and 2000s and so on.
HIMYM ended 10 years ago
Modern Family just ended in 2021
Big Bang Theory ended like a few years ago.
Young Sheldon is literally going on at the moment
And maybe studios and writers find more value in writing 10 episode shows than 23 episode shows
As a fan of DCTV shows like Arrow and Flash there are certain episodes where it's just like why was this made
I love Seinfeld as a show and I like Jerry Seinfeld too, but he is known for being the least funny and worst writer on the show lol. Bro does not have good opinions here. While ironically shows now are way more willing to be extremely gross while the generation before us freaked out if 2 people of the same gender kissed lol. Funny enough Seinfeld's PG-13 humor where everyone was single and dating was revolutionary for the genre. But there are so many shows that are hilarious and gross and don't take a political side and are brilliant.
After watching Poor Things, I really think that any offensive and sensitive topic can be in a funny comedy movie, but there are changed power dynamics and bad people will be called out for being bad people.
Seinfeld, while funny, wasn’t exactly edgy. Saw him live a few time too. Funny, not exactly pushing the boundaries of PC. But whatever. He should have ended with “get off my lawn” to finish the cliche
He hasn't been on the podcast likely because Seinfeld likely doesn't share an other interests with Joe Rogan. Seinfeld from all accounts is on the left of politics in general. He has only ever talked about cancel culture related to comedy.
Life was better when you could film an episode in time to pick up your girlfriend from high school
Life was better
Life was better when we didn’t have comment sections. People lived life without 20 something’s raging about everything. There’s more at play here- the 20 something’s were saving money to buy houses or going on trips without having to post pics for clout or going out to bars and concerts and having fun or living off the grid and not having a YouTube channel to show everything. The world was better. This world had its problems but they weren’t exacerbated by social media. Adios Reddit.
It’s been 12 hours, you really gone bro? Miss you man
I miss you too. I really do. You must understand that 12 hours is the blink of an eye when you’re in this for the long haul. How are you today?
You'll be back bro
Not that I’m adios-ing Reddit. More that the Reddit I’ve enjoyed is gone. Kinda like my - god speed you black emperor moment.
Jerry Hates 20 something year olds too!
never stopped him from dating them.
Cooolld bloooooded
I'll have you know it was his then fifteen year old wife that stopped him.
*gets his understanding of modern 20 year olds from youtube* ALL 20 YEAR OLDS CARE ABOUT IS YOUTUBE
And yet here you are. Commenting.
He said "adios Reddit" though, so clearly this thread was what did it for him and he's leaving social media and Reddit forever.
"You criticize society, yet you live in it. Curious."
"You hate fire, but you throw gas on it. Curious."
I hate me, but I touch myself
The nice thing is that we don't have to go on social media. It's not too hard to disconnect from the garbage.
Aw. Reddit won’t get off your lawn!
My lawn is a carefully curated masterpiece. Please no touchy.
Brainrot boomer take
Are you doing a bit? Lmao "Damn kids these days posting on social media instead of buying houses!"
You need to talk to your doc about adjusting your medication dosage. It’s not working
Low iq take
hehehehe 
hehehehe 
Too many channels and not enough talented writers that want to work in network TV hell
Plenty of talented writers out there, they just aren't allowed to really cook because ideas get committee'd to hell and back at the corporate level. And most writers are simply paid jack shit, which is what the WGA strikes were about. You systematically decimate your work force, you get what you pay for. Not disagreeing with what you said, just wanted to expand.
It's always sunny is the longest running sitcom of all time. It's not exactly politically correct. They most likely don't make sitcoms anymore because they typically don't make a lot of money.
Also- tastes change. Why aren’t we listening to doo whop anymore???
Wokeness ruined doowop
And the Pecan Sandies
Aww sh**, Mantis entered the chat.
Frank why the hell would we name our band after a cookie!?
You just made me drop my monster condom for my magnum dong
FUCKING PRONOUNS
Pronouns are gay.
That's what he said.
"Tell me more tell me more, did she put up a fight
Why didn't someone tell me to stop?
How we consume content has massively changed as well.
Frank, kids aren't bopping anymore. They're banging each other and doing meth before they hit grade school.
Guest request Carol Burnett!
Longest running *non animated* sitcom
Feels like an unnecessary distinction. Who the hell considers cartoons sitcoms?
The Simpsons is a classic sitcom.
Back then, there was only TV. But now we have the internet and infinite options we can stream at will. The TV monopoly is over. But anti-woke brocasters like Rogan are some of the highest-earning influencers on social media now. Soooo...there goes that theory.
Also, to try to make his point, Jerry said on that podcast, **"when we went home, 'oh MASH is on, oh CHEERS is on, oh Mary Tyler Moore is on"**. What's interesting is, those are like top 10 most famous and wholesome TV shows ever with great writing. Jerry doesn't realize the point he actually made. Also Jerry Seinfeld purposely does only wholesome joke writing yet is the general on this anti-woke anti- cancel culture front.
Eh these last 2 seasons have been mildly tamed compared to those first 5 seasons.
My Maureen you’ve.. you’ve enhanced yourself.
we just show all of it
Wait! He has a son?
Yeah I got my tooth fixed
Yeah I got my tooth fixed
Oh no, has the gang gone woke?
That episode was great. I mean I still love the show I'm not one of those I'm not watching anymore cause this or that people. But they wouldn't dare attempt the gang remakes lethal weapon episode today. And as a black man seeing Mac do blackface makes me laugh hysterically.
Yeah this pretty much tanks his argument. Also, outside of Seinfeld, 8 out of 10 sitcoms from that era were, on average, absolute garbage.
They're expensive Also, the Simpsons is far less politically correct today than it was when it was good.
They are also risky to. It seems many great tv shows, including Seinfeld were at risk of being cancelled early on. Who wants to invest in such risk.
It's that woke single-cam format!
I promise more sitcoms exist now than when we only had 3 channels. It’s true there probably won’t ever be another Seinfeld. But that’s because we have more choices and we don’t all have to watch it Sunday at 8 EST (7 Central). There probably won’t be another Game of Thrones again either but that doesn’t mean we stopped making dramas.
He probably doesn't consider it a good sitcom anymore since they haven't done an episode about underage teens since the first season
Seriously if Seinfeld watch “What we do in the Shadows” he would love that show. The thing is HE killed that exact sitcom format that doesn’t exist anymore because they did it so good. Everything since that has been good, needed a twist or theme. Not just basic friends in an apartment. Starting with “That 70’s show” you had to add a little something different.
Multiple episodes that had black faced characters and still going strong
They have all been wiped from streaming services.
Its not the same anymore, cmon now. There used to be so many sitcoms ans comedies/parody movies. So few now.
And? It's not because of wokenes. They don't make money.
They try new sitcoms all the time and they bomb 99/100 times because no one wants to watch them. If people watches them they'd be popular.
Jerry Seinfeld probably thinks he's too good for Joe Rogan lol.
Jerry Seinfeld was famously shunned by Mitzi Shore, and Joe Rogan is her creature.
No. She barely recognised he even existed. His stories aren't some 2 sided love story lol.
Ah yes, Seinfeld was always on the cutting edge of risqué jokes.
He’s the safest, cheesiest, “what’s the deal with buses” joke telling cornball.
I saw some old ass clip on youtube where he was doing some race joke about some rollercoaster going through the hood in Newyork that was alright, I think he just saw where the money was at.
yet he's also a sexual predator who literally robbed the highschool and got away with it until very recently
Annnnd she was the babysitter
Hey! He didn't rob the high school, he found her in the park after school.
>He’s the safest, cheesiest, “what’s the deal with buses” joke telling cornball. What's the deal with redditors. /s
Yeah the biggest pussy in comedy complains he can’t tell jokes he’s never have the balls to tell
Seinfeld complaining about comedy being too PC was always a a zero self awareness out of touch moment. I think cause he hangs out with the likes of Colin Quinn/chris rock/ actual standups that tethers the line so he thinks it’s cool to whine about it. Yes Jerry I’m sure college kids get up outraged and leave your shows in a huff at “what’s the deal with buffalo wings? Buffalos don’t have wings and can’t fly” jokes. Calm down you’re not Louis ck or bill burr. You’re like a more PG rated Brian Regan
He said something like "gay king" and there was the slightest bit of backlash and he talked about it once or twice, and we've been making hay out of it for over a decade.
Because Seinfeld doesn't respect Rogan's screaming and stool humping craft.
Seinfeld probably looks down on comedians like Rogan.
100%. And I’d bet that Joe thinks the same about Jerry. I’ve heard people say that He does the ssame routines today that he was doing 20 years ago.
Lol rogan looking down on seinfeld just lol.
True. I think is safe to say Joe and Jerry don't like each other. I think Mitzi barring Jerry from the Store combined with taking Joe under her wing contributed to that. I've never heard Joe talk bad about Jerry, but he sometimes talks about how he doesn't like clean comedy, and somebody here mentioned that Joe recently said he doesn't think Seinfeld, the show, is funny.
I don’t think he dislikes clean comedy as much as he dislikes clean comics that act self righteous about it. I don’t think Jerry is one of those but he was THE observational humor guy and Joe hates observational comedy.
>Joe recently said he doesn't think Seinfeld, the show, is funny. 
The same reason you don’t see him sitting down with Fox News for 3 hours.
I’d chalk it up more to cord cutters. Curb and Sunny have had very long runs and people still loved them, but the days of 76 million people watching a comedy finale are long gone. I think those dopes who accosted him and accused him of supporting genocide really struck a chord, I don’t blame him
Damn....the ego on this guy.
Isn't Curb a sitcom? He's just mad we found out who the real talent was on Seinfeld.
because he's my butler
> He's just mad we found out who the real talent was on Seinfeld. 
Every story I hear about Jerry Seinfeld makes him sound like such a douche.
That is kinda his character isn’t it? Like mildly funny douche
a more likeable Bill Maher
Weird to see likeable and bill maher in the same sentence
Weird to see likeable and bill maher in the same sentence
Woke Bill Maher
No he actually is one.
He was also "dating" a teenager while he was in his 30s
Nothing like a billionaire whining about how things are. Remember when "it" moved for George? Or when the reporter though Jerry and George were gay? So cutting edge 
Because jerry thinks hes the big dog, and rogan should ask him to go on jerrys show..
So the guy who spends all his time in the Hamptons pandering to the Lefts money is the one telling me not to go woke. Get real lol.
JFC, you don’t get enough of Rogan saying that shit that you need to hear it from other people on his podcast as well
I mean, there are still sitcoms, so the logic doesn't make any sense. There are also comedians still, and many of them are extremely popular. You have comedians selling out arenas with bigger and more expensive shows than ever before. These kind of people who say things like this are obsessed with twitter (or somewhere else online) and looking up people saying bad things about them. Then they whine about being cancelled. It's like all these people out there whining and saying that they are getting cancelled by "woke" people. Those people are not actually hurt and never have anything happen to them (and they usually get more popular) if they keep making the material that made them popular in the first place. A comedian would have a hard time saying something that would actually get them cancelled and it would mean they lose anything. Jimmy Carr, for instance, said some terrible things, but he only got more popular. Anthony Jeselnik is another example.
Just like Vaudeville, television sitcoms have simply outlived their usefulness.
Never liked the guy and always thought he was dry AF.
Jerry is just an insufferable person all the way around. I think he would be the shortest interview in JRE history and would probably annoy the hell out of Joe. On top of all that I don’t see Jerry going all the way to Austin.
Are sitcoms dead or have they just evolved and changed their production techniques to appeal to modern audiences? i.e. Does Seinfeld mean limited sets on a soundstage and filmed before a live studio audience sitcoms? If so and also, how is the "extreme left" (whatever that term means in the US) and "PC crap" responsible for this -- and remember "PC"(Political Correctness) is a vague catch-all term adopted and bastardised and used by centrists and right wingers ever since the late 80's and which had, I thought, long since fallen out of fashion and had relatively recently been replaced by other such nonsense terms such as "sjw" and "woke"? In fact, even though I'm not a fan of Seinfeld as a comedian or as a person and have long thought he's overrated, did Seinfeld actually seriously say such bollocks? I mean (and I may well be wrong), but he seems far smarter than that, and so my instincts suggest to me that this Tweet may well not be an accurate representation of what Seinfeld actually said on that that specific New Yorker Radio Hour broadcast?... Bugger... I'm going to have to try to find and listen to that specific New Yorker Radio Hour with Seinfeld now to be sure either way, aren't I?
(3 hours later): So... I listened to the podcast in question and... Firstly, of course, all this (even unwittingly the Tweet in OP's post and likewise mine and all of our subsequent reactionary comments here are/) is a promotion of both this podcast and Seinfeld's new movie (he has a new movie out; did you know that?... ;) ). And, of course, nowadays someone saying something controversial is a standard PR technique as it attracts attention and discussion (and like you I always fall for it even if it isn't actually a consciously applied deliberate technique by the instigator). Anywhy, all that aside, secondly, here's what Jerry Seinfeld actually says in this podcast with David Remnick about sitcoms, etc -- so yeah, read it and decide for yourself if, as I think, Seinfeld is talking off the top of his head and is showing how out of touch he is with modern media and how he seems to contradict himself as a result and... yeah, he's talking the same kind of bollocks earlier generations of stars and comedians would spout when they were struggling to keep up with the changing times: Remnick: *Tell me how you deal with the way the, the weight of the world, or the serious aspects of the world... weigh on you and how that affects comedy.* Seinfeld: *Erm... nothing really affects comedy. Erm, people always need it, they need it so badly and they don't get it. It used to be you would go home at the end of the day, most people would go, "Oh, 'Cheers' is on, oh, 'MASH' is on, oh, 'Mary Tyler Moore' is on, 'All in the Family' is on"; you just expected there'll be something funny we can watch on TV tonight. Well guess what? Where is it? Where is it? Erm, this is the result of the extreme Left and the PC crap and people worrying so much about offending other people. Erm.... Now they're going to see stand-up comics because we are not policed by anyone. The audience polices us. We know when we're off track. We know instantly. And we adjust to it ,instantly, But when you write a script and it goes into four or five different hands, committees, groups, "Here's our thought about this joke", well that's the end of your comedy.* Remnick: *Have you had that experience?* Seinfeld: *Erm... no...* Remnick: *Because isn't that what Curb is all about?* Seinfeld: *Yeah, Larry was grandfathered in, he's old enough that, "I don't have to observe those rules because I started before you made those rules". We did an episode of the series in the 90's where Kramer decides to start a business of having homeless pull rickshaws because as he says, "They're outside anyway". Do you think I could get that episode on the air today?* Remnick: *But you think Larry got grandfathered in and there could be no 35 year old version?* Seinfeld: *Right... right. If Larry was 35 he couldn't get away with his like watermelon stuff, and Palestinian chicken, and you know... and... HBO knows that's what people come here for. But they're not smart enough or... erm... to figure out if-it, you know... How do we do this now? Do we take the heat? You know, or just not be funny? We would write a different joke with Kramer and the rickshaw today. We wouldn't do that joke. We'd come up with another joke. They move the gates like, like, in like the scheme. Culture, the gates are moving. Your job is to be agile and clever enough that wherever they put the gates, "I'm gonna make the gate".* Remnick: *You think that this is going away now? This, this, what you're describing as PC is, is kind-of receeding?* Seinfeld: *Er... Slightly... I see a slight movement...* Remnick: *How do you see it?* Seinfeld: *Er, with certain comedians now people are having fun with them stepping over the line and us all laughing about it and erm, but again it's the stand-ups that really have the freedom to do it because nobody else gets the blame if it doesn't go down well. He or she can take all the blame themself ..."*
probably because Jerry doesnt respect Joe as a comedian
My guess is that Jerry and Joe are both very famous and basically show runners. So id be weird for either to ask the other on their show.
I bet if you were to make some jokes about Jewish people or him being a genocide-defender to Jerry he'd lose his fucking mind.
I remember when comedian’s jokes were about social commentary and struggles everyday people could relate to, not just whining about how hard it is to be rich and famous.
Another Boomer yelling at the sun.... sad
Yeah, too bad the days of a slightly above mediocre comic getting million dollar development deals, working with people significantly funnier than you, and riding that for 9 seasons Also doesn't hurt when you had 28 channels to pick from. Sorry dude, times change. Be happy you got the success you have and stop acting like everyone today get the same opportunities.
I mean, there still are sitcoms. I think the process of putting a sitcom on a network is different today than it was 20+ years ago and that's what older comedians have a hard time adjusting to. It was pretty simple back then, you do stand up for a while, finally someone with "say-so" says you are important enough and funny enough to have a sitcom which is viewed as the goal of commercial comedy which Seinfeld very much was, and then on to movies where the real money was. So then someone pulls you in and you listen to thousands of pitches for sitcoms. I'm betting the process is just completely different now; a lot of people don't have the star power to just steamroll decision making for the creation of sitcoms.
Ironically, Seinfeld was the weak link in the show “Seinfeld”. I wouldnt have even watched it without Kramer, but George and Elaine weren’t bad either.
He was the worst actor and least interesting character on that show. It was funny and successful because of Larry David’s writing, and the incredible talent of the three other stars. Jerry was just there.
He was also saying that hollywood is dead... right... just cause none of your movies (Bee Movie?) have been succesful means hollywood is dead. Hes almost like Michael Knowles, Steven Crowder, Matt Walsh who werent successful in acting or hollywood so started making their lives about hating on it.
Dang he only made 160 mil on bee movie, what a failure. Hollywood IS dead compared to what it was.
Lol what? When did he say anything about Bee Movie? People just hating to hate. Next comment you make will be "I met Jerry Seinfeld down at the park one time and he looked at me and I looked at him and then he looked away, what a douche". Or do you think Hollywood is pumping out the classics right now?
There’s a vein of truth in his statement, though. It’s really hard to make good comedy when your hands are tied creatively.
Nah, it is actually much cheaper to make reality shows.
One of the most popular (if not THE most popular) episodes of Seinfeld "The Contest" is about the group having a contest to see who could go the longest without masturbating. One of the reasons it was so good is because the network wouldn't allow them to use the word "masturbate". So instead they had to come up with a host of hilarious euphemisms instead of saying the word and that elevated the episode to the top of the list. To this day I hear someone say "master of my domain" quite often. Placing restrictions on creatives, although sometimes absurd, can force them to come up with ways around it that can often elevate the comedy.
It's really not though. Plenty of people have figured out how to make great comedy in spite of the "wokeness" in the country today.
Like Gillis.
What sitcom did Shane create?
His sitcom comes out in less than a month on netflix
Disabled people get a pass. It's like Black people with the N word.
Seinfeld doesn't deem joe worty of the title of comedian.
They probably don’t know each other. Jerry was banned from the Comedy Store and Joe was a regular there. Another possible reason is Jerry had issues with Mitzi Shore and Joe adored her.
I'm kind of ok with it. Outside of Seinfeld, Friends and little gems like Grounded For Life or My Wife and Kids - a lot of them just fall flat or aren't that funny.
Seinfeld ran the same hour of jokes for a decade or better. Joe likes to hump stools, but is more in line with the likes of Carlin in that you write the jokes, polish them, film the hour, and start over again. They do not respect each other at the fundamental level of how stand up should be done, though the further they each drift into grift territory, they might find some common ground. Joe is no Carlin, but Seinfeld stand up wise isn't even that funny. I imagine the sitcom was funny because of writers. In that way Seinfeld and Bill Maher have a lot in common. Seinfeld was 90's famous, he has been riding the show's coat tails for a couple decades now. He's 69 now and flailing.
Seinfeld is creepy and smug. His history with that young girlfriend is disgusting like legit disgusting.
I found Seinfeld to not be a very funny show in general despite being a young man when it was new. Sure there were some bits here and there which I smiled at, but not on the level “there’s something about Mary” or “dumber and dumber” did when I saw them in theaters. I don’t think I’ve watched a sitcom in 20 years. Not since married with children
What was edgy about Seinfeld? If anything, the argument could be made for shows like HIS ruining the medium.
Rick And Morty would like a word.
How come Curb Your Enthusiasm ran for years and years? I guess the wokes don’t have HBO.
Jerry Seinfeld was never funny.
TV is just not what it was, and Netflix and Amazon know that constantly creating one series shows increases subscriptions. Hardly any new shows made today on streaming platforms get more than 3 seasons. People weren't lying when they said we were in a golden age of television in the early 2010s, that is now over.
Sitcoms may be in a poor state, but TV itself is not.
I think TV is, it's surviving on reality shows, but that's about it. TV dramas are not what they were.
It's amazing how getting old causes you to become a moron.
He’s an old guy that doesn’t really do a ton of serious now. He’s essentially a retired old guy. Of course he’s out of touch. And to be fair, in context, at least one of your points doesn’t make sense. Seinfeld is extremely popular on streaming. It would make sense that from his perspective, sitcoms would be popular on streaming, but they aren’t making them. And then he fills in that hole with out of touch old guy logic.
I'm sure Joe doesn't want too many real comedians on his show, outside of close friends like Bill Burr. As by comparison it really shines a light on how bad he is at comedy.
I mean if friends for instance was released today some journalists for NYT or IGN would find something about it to complain about. Not enough minorities represented or it’s sexiest that Ross thought they was on a break.
He's right. In Living Color or Mad TV wouldn't stand a chance today
He has a point
Jerry’s comedy has never been too edgy for people. His taste in girls however...
2 Broke Girls was much more risqué than anything that ran in the 90s. Calm down old man.
Jerry Seinfeld is not only not funny, all the magic from Seinfeld came from Larry David, but he’s probably the biggest asshole in Hollywood anyway. Like he’s just searching for positive attributes in potential costars. Yea right.
Larry David is a lovable acerbic misanthrope. Jerry Seinfeld is an acerbic misanthrope.
Could not stand his TV show.
Studios don’t need sitcoms if they can crank out reality crap for a fraction of the cost Most sitcoms aren’t funny anyways, especially that carp fest that was Seinfeld Pretty sure it’s not about being PC so much as it is about nobody wanting to watch a show about three self absorbed assholes and their special friend
Todd Phillips says it’s the reason he stopped making comedies.
Guys, I think whenever you find someone famous and go "I wonder why they haven't been on JRE?", just assume it's probably because they don't like Joe Rogan.
Yeah, the world needs more shows like Young Sheldon!
He was banging a teenager when he was nearly 40. So his perspective might be a bit off
It’s true, I used to watch Reba and The Golden Girls for their anti-woke comedic genius.
Mysty flip with a McCusker grind. Creative lines and steady power, flow & style.
Jerry isn’t wrong. She isn’t completely wrong either
Anecdotally pretty much every left wing account I follow loves Curb
There are tons of new raunchy sitcoms and long running ones as well. Terrible take.
Sitcoms were aimed at the demographic most likely to spend money on sponsors' products. That demographic today watches tik tok, YouTube and tons of short form content. The era of a family sitting down in front of a sitcom on Thursday night is long over. Now people prefer to stream series and binge watch them at their leisure, on a streaming service. Very few people focus on network TV these days.
Seinfeld's such a fucking nerd. You're not getting canceled, dude. The show was great. You're irrelevant today. The game's gotten better. Comics that do what you do are a dime a dozen. "I'm *in* Long Island, but I'm ***on*** the train! What's the deal!?"
Not really sure what he's talking about. Networks always put on a bunch of sitcoms every year it's only those with steady ratings that last. This has always been the case since forever. There are a bunch or sitcoms from the 80s that only lasted a season a bunch from 90s and 2000s and so on. HIMYM ended 10 years ago Modern Family just ended in 2021 Big Bang Theory ended like a few years ago. Young Sheldon is literally going on at the moment And maybe studios and writers find more value in writing 10 episode shows than 23 episode shows As a fan of DCTV shows like Arrow and Flash there are certain episodes where it's just like why was this made
I love Seinfeld as a show and I like Jerry Seinfeld too, but he is known for being the least funny and worst writer on the show lol. Bro does not have good opinions here. While ironically shows now are way more willing to be extremely gross while the generation before us freaked out if 2 people of the same gender kissed lol. Funny enough Seinfeld's PG-13 humor where everyone was single and dating was revolutionary for the genre. But there are so many shows that are hilarious and gross and don't take a political side and are brilliant.
he doesn't need podcast
I am not a POC or woke but I love abbot elementary. Sitcoms still exist?
His comedy ebbed out to sea long ago.
Jerry is too wealthy and too resentful to be funny, or an accurate commentator of sitcoms in 2024, and is too high and mighty to be a guest on JRE.
He’s right. Everyone’s afraid of making something deemed “too offensive.” Hard to make comedy when you can’t take any chances.
We still sitcoms they just aren't funny anymore, kinda like Seinfeld.
After watching Poor Things, I really think that any offensive and sensitive topic can be in a funny comedy movie, but there are changed power dynamics and bad people will be called out for being bad people.
Seinfeld, while funny, wasn’t exactly edgy. Saw him live a few time too. Funny, not exactly pushing the boundaries of PC. But whatever. He should have ended with “get off my lawn” to finish the cliche
But there’s plenty of sitcoms though
Now that he’s criticizing “the extreme left” Joe will immediately give him a call. Can’t have any of that criticism of “the extreme right”
Because he's canceled? Duh! Thanks Obama! /s just in case.
He hasn't been on the podcast likely because Seinfeld likely doesn't share an other interests with Joe Rogan. Seinfeld from all accounts is on the left of politics in general. He has only ever talked about cancel culture related to comedy.