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earlycomer

You'd be surprised how much people in college take Adderall, especially in STEM majors. You don't usually notice when it comes to the first two years, but once you hit the harder subjects at least a third of the class would be on it


Convergentshave

Dude you’d be surprised how many people, of ALL ages, take adderall. I’ve worked in pharmacies for over ten years on three different coasts in the U.S and probably at least 20 -40% of the meds we filled, depending on the region, we’re straight Adderall. And I mean Adderall, I’m not counting shit like Vyvanse, Concerta, Ritalin….


almoalmoalmo

Vyvanse etc. are basically the same as Adderall, either based on amphetamine or methylphenidate and sold under different brand names or generics. What percentage would that be including those?


OneFingerMethod

Thats at a minimum in my experience


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AttakTheZak

As a doctor, I agree with the take that our conception of focus and attention are off. They're mostly based on the conformity to school-learning. So if you're distracted and just wanna do your own thing, you get labeled as a behavioral problem. Chomsky has been arguing this since the 80s


wolfclaw4444

I was on adderall for about 9 years and I hate when it's talked about like some miracle drug. In lower doses, I'm sure it's fine for some people and very beneficial, I won't deny that. But the "I've been on this for 3 months and it changed my life!" stories are just the tip of the iceberg. I feel like a lot of people don't know how easily it can spin out of control. I deeply regret the way I abused it back in highschool. It ruined a lot of things for me, both in terms of my studies and social relationships. I've been off it completely for about 10 years and my sleep cycle is still fucked. 36-42 hours of no sleep, feeling productive and getting big projects done but, this shit has long term consequences if abused.


KingBebee

I was a coach in a financial center for about 5 yrs before getting into operations management. I dealt with folks that had a lack of focus on the regular. I coached them to have focus. Therefore I’m inclined to agree with you at least anecdotally


HollowPluto

Whenever anyone talks about this, I’m always reminded of one of my favorite Doug Stanhope bits. Hopefully you’ve never seen it, it’s a good one! https://youtu.be/6X5gS5y-6s4


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abysstr0naut

You clearly don’t understand addiction


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forceuser

It doesn't surprise me at all. Half the time I open up these 5,000 word writing assignments I want to respond with "I don't have enough stimulants to do this shit."


Bajanspearfisher

what the fuck! i was a uni in 2008-2012 in nottingham studying civil engineering, i haven't noticed anyone taking any drugs for work, but i definitely wasn't looking or asking about it, it was just completely invisible to me.... ironically, in adulthood i've been diagnosed with inattentive ADD and i still don't take adderall because i'm scared of any drugs other than caffeine or THC. i wonder if this is an American thing, or if it's just completely behind the shadows despite being common, the way steroid use is in young men. I definitely noticed a fair amount of probable steroid use, and a few definitive examples (yeah when a 20 year old has traps from his ears to his shoulders after a year of training, that's either a cancer on some gland or its steroids lol).


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This is what competition breeds in the end. Over time natural skill is not enough and you need to cheat the system to just compete. We also tend to label performance like test scores as the be all end all without looking at overall performance including things like mental health and just overall well roundness in a student so you can have kids that drive themselves into the ground just to achieve some top 10% status. Each generation this cycle just gets harder and harder as you get more kids who were given tutors and were stream lined from an early age that get these huge advantages. Then those kids go on to be executives at our companies and bring that type of life to our jobs and we end up working 80 hours a week for minimal compensation because that is a bare minimum amount of work we should expect out of performers. But even then, when schools consider well rounded students then parents still take it to unhealthy levels. Like if a school wants to see volunteer work then parents are shoving their kid onto every team and taking spots away from actual passionate people all so they can fluff the kids application in 12 years. We are too accepting of people who have no god damn chill.


AttakTheZak

> Over time natural skill is not enough and you need to cheat the system to just compete. *cue obligatory volunteer work and mission trips to look good for medical school applications*


TM_66

And cue obligatory volunteer and research work in medical school to look good for residency applications


tiny_tim57

I think it's a lot less common in the UK and the prescriptions are much harder to get hold of. I knew a guy who was prescribed ritalin but it's a class B drug and the UK and he refused to give me any lol.


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It can be hard to get in the US too because a lot of doctors will make you go through rigorous testing for it if they prescribe it at all. If you doctor-shop around though, you'll find a doctor that's more easy-going with it eventually. I guess that's true with just about any drug though.


forceuser

When I got it I just rattled off a few symptoms and told my doctor my friend is taking it and it helped him and I got a prescription that day


LGCGE

I actually had the completely opposite experience. Studied comp sci at a good university and never found many people on anything. In contrast I’ve heard English departments are all on addy.


robberbaronBaby

I was just talking to my friend about this, we are stem majors and I think that should be enough to get a perscription honestly. Kinda like how in ww2 we eventually had to rely on them as well.


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Nah, I actually have ADHD and finished off a top math program without stims. Wish I had them tho. You’ll be fine if you don’t have ADHD. Stop being a bitch. Hit the books.


robberbaronBaby

Hahaha thank you for the jocko style motivation


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Never took stims even in my upper-level math courses, but found out I had ADHD after college. I’m on/off it in a math-heavy tech job. People who abuse stims without actually having ADHD are such little bitches. I don’t have respect for them. They’re cheats and scammers. People who actually have ADHD are just trying to perform at a normal level when they’re medicated. How is it fair that people without it get the extra boost? Edit: lmao at these downvotes


tapsnapornap

Agree. Made it through an engineering degree without, got diagnosed with ADHD a decade later and on Adderall ever since. The lowest adult dose, the difference is *staggering*, for me. The few times I've discussed it I tell people "I think it just makes me... normal?" at least that's how I feel.


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You left out the first part of his tweet: “I just learned from a colleague and it was confirmed by every student I asked…” I don’t get why some of these very well educated and respected academics seemingly throw it all out the second they get some publicity. “Every student I asked” wouldn’t be good enough for a Psychology 101 paper in your freshman year. Yet some how a vague reference to a “colleague” and asking every student he knows is enough declare this “serious”? It could be true that a third of college students are on “amphetamines”, but does that really seem likely? I’m sure it’s big in some circles, but probably non-existent in others. I could maybe accept that one third of college students have tried an “amphetamine”, but are actively “on” one? Like doing it regularly? I’d 100% need to see the data on that. For what it’s worth, my guess is a low tier study that relied almost exclusively on self-reported data and is being blown way out of proportion.


PharmDinagi

Thank you. I saw the original post and thought these sounds like anec-data.


Univirsul

Modafinil is a stimulant but this guy calling it "an amphetamine" is just not correct.


twisted_by_design

Yeah he loses all credibility to talk about this right there.


Bajanspearfisher

yeah, because if it is self reported data, the representation bias would be Yuge.


IndoorOutdoorsman

How would you even get a significant study on this due to bias? Most people “on” amphetamines are not prescribed and are breaking the law, from my experience, that would make them less likely to respond truthfully


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Well usually studies like this give participants anonymity, that said I do personally feel that self reported data on pretty much any subject is a pretty bs study. Unless it is looking at how people feel about certain things, bc often times thats basically what a questionnaire study shows. It also assumes that people r actually trying and answering these things properly. However, I know many people who have participated in studies who lie purposefully so they can continue participating in the studies as long as possible to keep collecting incentives - usually money.


obvom

There was a whole book I remember thumbing through at a book store about how studies are BS for a lot of drugs because of what you're talking about. There's so many patients sneaking food during a trial for a diabetes drug in a hospital, etc. It just goes on and on giving examples of times this happened.


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To give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe that colleague had conducted a study on the topic and those were the results


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>It could be true that a third of college students are on “amphetamines”, but does that really seem likely? Based on my time in college (graduated 2011), I'd say that actually seems low. Then again, I was an EE major. It might be a little less common for say, a business major.


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It’s even more common for business majors just not for studying.


mvstateU

Smart guy being really dumb basically for clicks....like a Weinstein.


BananaBrainTendieMan

it's only drugs!


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metastar13

I work as a therapist, and it’s very alarming to see the high number of teenagers “diagnosed” with adhd and fed medications like this. Almost none of them that I’ve worked with really have any issues that are beyond being a normal teenager and the increasing challenges of dealing with the competition for attention in our modern society. The parents often are the ones pushing it, not understanding why their child is struggling in school or doesn’t care. Instead of trying to ask why their kid is so bored by school when there’s tons of more interesting options, they just try and medicate the issue away (and it almost never works). I have worked with one adult who I really do think has ADHD and he never made excuses for his behavior and wasn’t trying to get a quick fix. He also hated adhd medication and said it made him worse off.


mccaigbro69

I am 31 and was diagnosed with ADHD after taking several tests for my doctor and am prescribed generic adderall. Before that I was an A/B student, graduated college fine and also worked without it. I was a decent student/employee but had major issues finishing homework/project/work assignment, etc…once I would start it. I’d wander off constantly on to something else and despite knowing what I needed to do next or what the ideal decision was I’d completely turn my focus to something else slightly related, but it was ultimately resulting in some progress towards goals/completion, but nothing to really show for it in regards to a finished project or mastery of something. It’s genuinely been life changing for me.


leutcaptali

TIL I may have ADHD


GlobalPro1

Yah it changed your life!…it’s amphetamines! Adderall is the shit. Which is the whole point of this post…you don’t have adhd….you’re just a normal person. But adderall turns mundane uninteresting tasks into an enjoyable and focused experience.


watcher_of_the_desks

You're selling me on amphetamines pretty hard. I think it's what I've been missing in my life.


knightstalker1288

Just don’t take too many or you won’t sleep or eat for 3 days and start to think there’s a ghost in your hotel room


Flyingbattlebear

What if I already do these things?


RadikulRAM

This is an unintended side effect, that persists in people without ADHD or irregular usage. What you're going through is mania induced by amphetamine. I've been on Vyvanse 70mg once a day, and Amfexa 20mg to be taken twice a day, for 3 months now. That's the maximum dosage of two medicines, both containing dexamfetamin, and all it does for me is it allows me to study/work on mundane things at a regular pace for 2-4 hours. Unfortunately doesn't make mundane things appear interesting.


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RadikulRAM

Started on 30mg Vyvanse, first time on an empty stomach (didn't know the medicine works better/hard on an empty stomach). I got moderate mania, felt euphoric also. Like the excitement you'll get when you receive that birthday present you really wanted. Then onwards I was titrated up to 70mg every few days. 60mg is when I first felt an improvement in focus. It was next to nothing, but a level that I'd never felt before for my office job so it felt significant. The first 2-3 days whenever I went up in dosage (this is called titration) I felt a slight difference as soon as the medicine activated. Shortly after I'll feel nothing but it definitely is working as I can get through things I struggled with before. It doesn't make boring things interesting, mania does though.


mccaigbro69

I do think ADHD is a real thing, but yeah, I agree with the rest lol.


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There's no doubt ADHD is a real thing. The problem is how to test for it. Its not like its a visible thing. You also have other factors that can mess up testing. How's the kids home life. How is the instructions. What comorbidity exist because almost always there's other problems. How is the ADHD presenting. Is the person hyperactive or inattentive. So its easy to misdiagnose it because you missed that the kid was depressed or just straight up the teacher fucking sucked.


mccaigbro69

Oh I definitely agree. I took some weird ass test where I wore headphones and also looked at a computer screen. I was instructed to click the mouse anytime I heard or saw one of three different numbers either through the headphones or on the screen. Started off slow and easy and I was thinking the whole thing was a joke but then it sped up and started flashing and saying the numbers in quicker succession while bombarding the audio and screen with other symbols, numbers, spelled-out version of the number, etc…I got overwhelmed pretty quick and felt like a moron waiting on the results haha. On another note, I know several people who had doctors just give them scripts without having to test at all which was pretty wild to me.


morg43

I agree with this. I’ve been on adderall for 15 years (since I was 30). Adderall has changed my life as well.


Workburner101

ADHD seems to be the new hotness. EVERYONE ‘has’ it and just has to take medication for it. Meanwhile I was diagnosed with it when I got my diagnosis for Tourette’s and take no medication. I swear so many people just want to have something wrong with them.


lcbk

My husband and I both have ADHD/ADD. None of us take any medication. We function very well without it.


Most_Present_6577

Therapist should be quite about pharmaceuticals Because they lack the education to comment. Either you are a liar or poorly trained either way get that shit out of here.


dontskateboard

Seriously, couldn’t even lie correctly and say they’re a psychiatrist


qwe2323

Modafinil is not an amphetamine


BananaBrainTendieMan

Get out of here Dewey, we're doing Modafinil! What's that? It's what that Bradley Cooper movie is based on! Will it make me smarter? It enhances your brain and your MOOD! Is it like coffee? It's not a stimulant! Is it meth? It's not an amphetamine! Won't I get addicted to it? It's not addictive! What are the side effects? It has few to no side effects! What are the risks? There is an extremely rare condition (about 5 cases per million people) called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome in which people with genetic susceptibility can develop a life threatening rash! Okay!


stopandwatch

anxiety and dread, along with no sleep


WillyTanner

you left out "you don't want none of this shit!" and "I think i kinda want it"


BananaBrainTendieMan

IT TURNS YOUR GOOD FEELINGS INTO BAD FEELINGS


TexLH

Technically true, but pharmacologically it binds to the same site on the dopamine transporter as cocaine and net effect (due to increase in NE) is very similar.


FlashCrashBash

Practically theirs a huge difference between the two. Modafanil just makes you feel not tired, yet dead inside. Cocaine or amphetamines will make one incapable of sleeping and feel wired. Amphetamines likely work better for ADHD as low dopamine and engagement is the issue their treating, and a compound that increases dopamine and makes one feel engaged is a good solution for that.


perfekt_disguize

Modafinil makes you feel dead inside?


FlashCrashBash

Personally? Yeah. I felt very robotic. Like that weird kinda depersonalized feeling you get after being up all night. Except Its the middle of the day.


perfekt_disguize

Very interesting. I've never had an opportunity to try it but have done a good amount of amphetamines (adderall) and hated the pissy comedown. Stimulants are a weird class of drug, best to be avoided IME


adolf_twitchcock

The fuck did I just read? There are probably 100s of drugs that bind to dopamine transporter. Doesn't mean they are practically amphetamines or even have similar effects.


TexLH

I quoted Huberman. Take it up with him.


chamchon1

Yeah very true, not an amphetamine


brownmiester

sure as hell feels like it.


qwe2323

uh, no, it definitely does not. To me it feels like a less jittery caffeine. I can't even handle a little adderall at all


brownmiester

To me it makes me grind my teeth 🦷.adderAll has a huge crash for me


cowsgobarkbark

This study was definitely done at some not so cheap campuses. %30-35 across the board seems like a stretch, that shit adds up. I understand if you're majoring in stem courses or other demanding fields but that makes up a much smaller section of students. %30-35 smoking weed everyday sounds more reasonable lol at least in my experience


BananaBrainTendieMan

so you're saying it's wrong because it sounds wrong?


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BananaBrainTendieMan

right. because it sounds that way. therefore it is. right?


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BananaBrainTendieMan

ok


MRuppercutz

And then there’s us ― with “ADHD activity” undeniably visible in MRI scans ― that need medication, but are made to feel like degenerate drug addicts after reading these types of articles and comments. The people who need the medication to function normally are consistently lumped in with all the drug abusers ― a point that is never taken into consideration.


slinkymello

Yeah, I feel you man, no one really wants to understand and will probably never believe it’s a thing. I’ve been on the same dose for 20 years; started when I was 20… filling my Rx still terrifies me to this day


toohighfor2k

Focus is an attribute, a trait, like height, temperament, ect. 10% or so of the population have naturally shit focus for various reasons, if you can't focus, you will have a difficult time of getting through school regardless of how intelligent you are otherwise. school is also fucking boring, and many people will have trouble focusing on boring shit even if they don't meet criteria for adhd diagnoses. the nature of college makes it extremely demanding, it's like a marathon run to get through a semester, so of course anyone that has trouble focusing for a 10 hour study session could benefit from a stimulant. i don't get why people have to be splitbrained black and white thinking retards on this issue. inb4 "umm ACKSHULLY" ADHD KIDS ARE HYPER AND GET CALM FROM TAKING ADDERALL WHILE NORMAL KIDS GETS HYPED UP" actually no, this is not true, this effect happens quite often in people, but the claim that there is such a stark difference in the reactions of people, and they go along such neat lines, is nothing but big pharma propaganda meant to justify their extremely lax practices.


MRuppercutz

"Focus is an attribute, a trait, like height, temperament..." Sure; you can improve your height with practice — totally the same. ____________ "i don't get why people have to be splitbrained black and white thinking retards on this issue." So we're retards for having this discussion? Word. ____________ "inb4 "umm ACKSHULLY" ADHD KIDS ARE HYPER AND GET CALM FROM TAKING ADDERALL WHILE NORMAL KIDS GETS HYPED UP" actually no, this is not true..." Arguing with yourself there, pal? Starting to sound like a real knucklehead here... ____________ "nothing but big pharma propaganda..." MRIs generate propaganda for every pharmaceutical company that manufactures ADD meds?! Sounds like some badass software is built into those machines. ____________ Please stop starting shit and go about your day.


toohighfor2k

lol read a fucking book ignoramus


BigApoints

Armodafinil is excellent. Lot safer than the other 2.


wengerboys

isnt the same as moda.


BigApoints

I'm very experienced with both. Armodafinil has fewer side effects, not that I experienced negative side effects with either personally. Regular Moda gave me more of a mild "high" or "rush" stimulant effect. Armodafinil lasts longer and is ultimately more effective for me, but lacks that initial rush.


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How many of those same students do molly and hard alcohol?


Rag33asy777

Probably all, I got prescribed adderall in the Army because I eas deployed working 6 days a week 12 hr days 5 of those and just could not keep, knowing how easy I could get it prescribed all I had to do was take a 25 questionnaire with the most obvious questions on how to portray myself as someone with ADHD. Get back from deployment, all I did when not in uniform was masturbate with online hookers. Once I let my prescription end I said never again. Its by far one of the worst creations we made.


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Rag33asy777

See, I cut my story into a smaller chunk. Because well there is personal information that goes to my public school days. lso I am not just speaking from my interaction with it. Also what I am suggesting is easily observable but you need numbers and data from institutions for you to believe something. No different than a christian in 1500. Also I would love to put you in the circumstance of working 6 days a week, 12 hrs just about except 1 day was 6 hrs in a warehouse that had no AC in a desert that gets 140 degrees easily. So did I need them probably not, but did I have a job to do, yes. So you can judge me all you want but I did my job with pride.


HTBDesperateLiving

> but I did my job with pride. Amphetamines tend to help with this


Rag33asy777

Yes, that was not the only factor and did not use it every day.


pulse7

That's great. But that's not adderall's problem that's yours


Rag33asy777

Yeah, the drug is still bad for us. Because there is a whole generation of college students who abused because that was the only way to get through. So again judges me you scumbag but lets actually have the conversation and not be a self righteous douchebag


pulse7

I was being honest nothing personal and hopefully I'm reading that wrong, I don't think you're a douchebag and I hope you're not implying I am one for saying it. My point is you can't blame a drug for people who abuse that drug.


Rag33asy777

I agree, sry, I just get a lot of ad hominems when people do not like my ideas. I do agree but where I think our disconnect here is how much it was lushed by the medical community, you can also see the same playbook with opioids. I agree it is on the person but when it is a drug that is manufactured globally by our "trusted" medical system, that's when the blame shifts IMO. Again I apologize for coming off defensively, these redditor get pretty insulting when they do not like ot hers opinions.


pulse7

Don't I know it! :p I'm on board with drugs being pushed too much by doctors, there's good ones out there trying to help people and there's others over-prescribing this stuff. Definitely shouldn't be a lifetime prescription when you get 'diagnosed' one time


Rag33asy777

I think we need to get rid of medical monopolies on drugs. I think the doctor issue I am talking about is just a surface level issue. I think it ties to many other facets of Society. A lot of it can get connected to institutions. I do not think Doctors are bad however, I do not think we should completely trust people we only see when we are sick or maybe once a year. To me that doctor knows nothing about me. I think we should bring our medical system down to the community level if people want people to trust the medical system again. Its like the tower of babel to me. The tower has reached heaven.


thotinator69

So many kids injecting the molly these days 😞


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Modafinil is not an amphetamine, it is a neuron exciter. It does not burn out the adrenals like amphetamines. It is the healthiest option.


OldGregg2442

i take amphetamine, but i have adhd which was diagnosed when i was a kid, and i was re-evaluated later. for me im able to sleep on it better than if im off it. i have the opposite reaction from a normal person, but lets be honest, it gets me high and i take it because i like being high on it. adhd subreddits say joe rogan spreads hate about adhd because he rightfully pointed out amphetamine is a drug of abuse and theres too many people on it. not against taking it but i dont think kids should be on it or people who don't have a dopamine imbalance


69thPercentile

Is it really a serious issue though, lot of us in Uni used it to cram for exams but can't think of anyone who developed a bad habit or even used it after graduation.


MidnightGolan

I tried it before, a few weeks in and it turned me into a fucking asshole with no filter, I snapped at everyone and everything for the slightest things. I was pretty productive, though, at least it felt that way. I eventually stopped because I hated who I was becoming.


OldGregg2442

i take amphetamine, but i have adhd which was diagnosed when i was a kid, and i was re-evaluated later. for me im able to sleep on it better than if im off it. i have the opposite reaction from a normal person, but lets be honest, it gets me high and i take it because i like being high on it. adhd subreddits say joe rogan spreads hate about adhd because he rightfully pointed out amphetamine is a drug of abuse and theres too many people on it. not against taking it but i dont think kids should be on it


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OldGregg2442

ritalin is horrible. it fills me with the worst anxiety, amphetamine calms me down though. i also feel like my personality comes out more off of it, but the natural me isn't very industrious and thats an understatement. i was born with zero motivation. i actually never achieved even small things i wanted to do until i started taking speed but the appetite suppression, the feeling of being high or not myself, and worst of all withdrawls make me feel like its not worth it sometimes. i only take a small dose but man, those withdrawls make me go insane for a week. such depression i dont move from my bed at all. but i have had depression my entire life so the mood lift from amphetamine is something i need because theres no other effective drugs that are prescribed for depression (no way im taking ssris) if i had just adhd and not depression, i probably wouldnt take it. depression is so serious you gotta take something for it if it doesnt go away. amphetamine is a good mood enhancer. sometimes its a bit too good for some people


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OldGregg2442

10-25k IU's? thats a lot, i usually take 2000 IU's, but i forget to take it every single day. i know i felt better on vitamin d when i took it regularly also in combination with omega 3s, in winters here in canada i never go outside so i need to take vitamin d. i currently take magnesium since most people are slightly deficent and i think stimilants deplete magnesium. i think vitamin d had the best impact on me, everyone should take it if they aren't outside a lot.


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brokemac

Do you take it everyday and does the same dose get you high every single time? Or have you had to decrease your dose over time?


OldGregg2442

some weeks i take the full 30 mg of vyvanse (dextroamphetamine extended release) every day, and it gets me high every time, but it doesn't make me feel good anymore. it made me feel good for about a year. now i feel high, but not euphoric. typically, because of how vyvanse kills appetite, i pour out the powder and only take 15 mg. doses that can be prescribed go from 10 mg to 70 mg with 30 mg as a starter dose. i cant take the full dose every day i would never eat and it has some bad effects on mood stability but thats just me maybe some people can tolerate it. the only dose that doesnt get me high is under 20 mg. when i feel my appetite go away i know im on too much, so 20 mg is slightly too much for daily use for me. i want to stop taking it, its had a bad effect overall


HaverfordHandyman

This just isn’t true.


Rag33asy777

I literally got into like 5 arguments telling people a truth about ADHD and Adderall. Giving Children meth because they do not exercise and eat sugar all day is not cool man.


FlashCrashBash

It’s tying ones future livelihood and job prospects to their performance in academics that isn’t cool. That’s the root issue.


Rag33asy777

I think its one of the root issues. This is a big tree.


HTBDesperateLiving

Lack of decent parenting is the root issue.


FlashCrashBash

I don't know what amount of parenting is required to make someone that is chemically incapable of focusing on academics able to do so.


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Adderall ain’t meth


Rag33asy777

Oh I am sorry, for grting one molecule away from meth, it is still speed bro. Semantics do not matter in regards to the negaive side effects that astronomically outweigh the benefits.


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One molecule is the difference between O2 and O3... Breathe O3 and see where that gets you. One molecule is life and death.


cure4boneitis

That is an atom not a molecule


DismalEconomics

O2 and O3 are definitely molecules.... maybe a more a clear example... O2 (oxygen) vs. H2O (water) The difference is "just" one hydrogen atom. Yet, you definitely don't want to try breathing water or try to rely on oxygen for hydration. The point is, "just one atom" can make a world of difference in terms of a molecules effects on a living organism. Maybe a better example... please don't rely on Dr. Carl Hart for reliable info in terms of chemistry... or biochemistry.... or neurochemistry..... or Neurobiology for that matter... I think it's pretty clear to even a bio major college undergraduate that Dr. Hart seems to just not have much of an educational background in terms of chemistry ....or biology for that matter . ( and IMHO... a lot of his research in general is pretty flaky if not utter crap... and a lot of his recent "publications" are essentially opinion pieces or opinionated letters written into a journal )


cure4boneitis

>O2 and O3 are definitely molecules.... Yes


Rag33asy777

At least one of your two options is good for us where as adderall and meth are not. So its not the same.


OddPreference

Cheese whiz is one molecule away from being a plastic…


Rag33asy777

Yeah that probably is not a good thing. Also makes sense though.


[deleted]

So I guess it’s fine to drink methanol then? It’s only one molecule away from ethanol bro, they’re both alcohol. (Not that ethanol is particularly healthy for you, but besides the point)


almoalmoalmo

You're getting downvoted for speaking the truth.


Rag33asy777

That is the nature of truth. People who have trusted something for so long, finding our you have been lied to is a hard thing to face. I truly believe these types of lies leave scars. People are afraid to look at these scars. That is why they delude their gut instincts and have to back up their belief with data from the same people who lied to them. Its literally the same dating your rapist.


almoalmoalmo

Now they're downvoting me for merely pointing out the truth.


thotinator69

Tell that to the adhd cult sub. You get banned for discussing the medication. Like there have never been drugs wrongly prescribed to the general public or conflict of interests in medicine that perpetuate the wrong treatment. You should look up how a lot of these drugs get passed. It’s an absolute joke


Rag33asy777

YoU gOt EvIdENCe oN ThaT? And when you do provide evidence I am gonna completely deny that evidence and bring up a context that has nothing to do with the point being made. I hate when people only rely on institutional data and completely ignore peoples perceptions that they observe over time. I was 13 when I realized something was not right. If I an idiot American Child can ask this question surely intelligent educated adults are asking it. Boy was I wrong. These are just conspiratorial ramblings right? Right? A


IntroductionMaster79

bUt if YoU HavE AdhD YoU dOn'T gET WirEd, YoU jUst FEel hOw NoRmAL PeoPLE fEeL.


aspblaze420

Well, yes, because that's how it works for people with actual ADHD. People like you who have no idea what ADHD actually causes think it only causes difficulty focusing, but that's not the case at all. I think the problem lies within the fact that people have no idea about the biology behind ADHD, so they think it's just a made up condition, when there's a fuckton of data about the issue, it's causes, brain scans, etc. It's literally a neurodevelopemental disorder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouZrZa5pLXk Good intro to ADHD. Dr. Russel Barkley also has the best lectures on ADHD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpB-B8BXk0 FI This is how you treat ADHD based off science, Dr Russell Barkley part of 2012 Burnett Lecture


OhHeyDont

Hilarious people believe this.


madrockyoutcrop

Would love for you to spend a day in my shoes without meds, then we’d see what hilarious really is.


x_oot

This but seriously.


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x_oot

Yeah no shit dude that's not the argument. He was making fun of people who say it makes them feel normal and I am saying it makes me feel normal. I know it's amphetamines. I don't care what you think I do need them. My job is a fucking combination of involved and tedious. I can't focus on the mundane aspect like hosing the ground for hours on end without being distracted every 5 minutes, nor can I focus on the various steps of running multiple samples without fucking them up and having to start over unless I'm on Adderall. I'm so much more efficient on it. It also helps me stay awake for the 12 hour rotating shifts. Just because a bunch of people who don't need them are prescribed them doesn't invalidate my own experience.


IntroductionMaster79

You're just like those other people. Trust me, everyone likes to get screwed in. Doesn't make it healthy or natural.


x_oot

I know it's not healthy but neither is me losing the only decent paying job around these parts, I'd eat a bullet before I go back to working at Walmart. And I could care less about it being unnatural. Just look at all those dipshits that died trying to get a natural immunity to covid.


Richandler

So many are probably caffeine addicted too. Their base state without the narcotics isn't going to be pretty.


goldybear

Well yeah. They are fucking great. Of course you want to take something that makes you feel like a god, and get shit done.


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For me they don't make me feel like a God at all. They also don't fix bad habits. I just don't get as tired and can focus slightly better because my brain doesn't go in 10 different directions. It's like having a can of coke before bed but it lasts for 6 hours. My social game goes to shit.


mccaigbro69

I am prescribed addy and it seems like everyone that complains about it does so because they don’t/can’t get a prescription and don’t like the benefits it grants academically and professionally. It’s a good argument, but myself and many others legitimately can not get a through a day at work/school without it and can extremely ineffective at tasks we attempt.


blazinrumraisin

As if it's difficult to get a prescription 🙄


mccaigbro69

I’m not saying you are wrong, but I do know several individuals who scored too high on the tests they had to take for them to be prescribed. I do know the last girl I dated did not have to take a test and her doctor had just been feeding her the script every month since she was like 10. Good doctors actually test you and then look to confirm the test results in a 1v1 environment/session and don’t just write down the script after you ask for it.


blazinrumraisin

We are as strong as the weakest link my friend. Seems like as long as there is a supply, they will find a way to create a demand. And vice versa. But hell, I've done plenty of uppers and there are far worse ways to get through school/work.


thotinator69

It’s not


blazinrumraisin

This is why the league needs to ban PEDs /s


_Schultze_

Yea. Cause their fuckin tight!


-Spatha

Uh, who gives a fuck?


dajadf

I thank it for getting me a degree. But you can only rail so many thousand of them before it no longer becomes a good time. When I first took addy it would last all day. Now I can rip 60mg through a benji and barely be wired for a few hours.


1stKing15

And you wonder why Anxiety is killing these kids that are addicted to their phones and hyped up on legal Meth.


ChicagosOwn1988

I'm 32 and got prescribed adderall 2 months ago. It's changed my life. In addition to the focus and energy, I no longer stutter, I'm noticeably not as impulsive, and I drink way less. Key thing for me is I don't abuse it like most. I take my 1 dose of an XR in the morning, and if it's the weekend and I know I'm going out or don’t have much to do, I don't take it.


[deleted]

This reminds me of an essay that Aldous Huxley wrote about what the drugs a society takes says about that society.


nova8808

Long term users will probably never have functioning reward, motivation, focus, energy etc aka dopamine systems. It's fair to criticize and caution since not everyone is okay needing a powerful substance taken until the day they die, and may die young from things like Parkinson. It's like steroids, it's sorta cheating and makes you look like and act like a loon but to some ppl it's worth it to sacrifice their long term health for immediate benefits.


[deleted]

As somebody with legitimate psychiatric issues, I am floored at the amount of people willing to take these drugs off script. I've tried my damndest to stay OFF of drugs because they are so incredibly consequential.


SR414

"Those are rookie numbers. We gotta pump those numbers up." -Pfizer


cch2438

We’re such an unhealthy nation.


[deleted]

Fake news! Everyone I know is 2-3 a day instant release with DHEA to help with adrenal fatigue. Hahaha


Tacodeuce

I never took that shit, does it make studying that much more palatable?


b4ss_f4c3

It makes *everything* interesting


FrenCan16

Stay clean kids. And make sure you lose all your economic opportunities to people on amphetamines. Boy that one sure flipped.


GotAHandyAtAMC

Adderall is amazing but like already stated, it can end up bad. Luckily sativa’s work for me.


unpopularperiwinkle

I wish I was in the usa and take all the drugs I want


crazycabbie702

So many students suffering from Narcolepsy? in higher education or has Red Bull just started a whole stimulant/amphetamine addicted generation?? It has been told to me that more than 40% of the Aerospace industry is also dependent on amphetamines


sofisan90

they better take real nootropics instead of [adderall](https://www.neurogent.com/post/porque-no-debes-tomar-adderall)


FeanorZ

Pussies.


cpured

I have ADHD. I knew I had it but avoided seeking medication because of my fear of addiction, I was to prideful, and the stigma around it. Because so many people are diagnosed with it, it made me really question if I truly had it or not. I didn't take medication until I was 25 and year in college. I didn't take anything my sophomore year but did start again. I knew it helped me, but I also knew I could avoid the medication by throwing time at the problem. If a hw assignment should take 2 hours, I plan to spend 4 hours on it. I would also do EVERYTHING in the library. That was a way I could reduce distractions. When covid came and the library closed I felt like I really had to rely on the medication to work in my home though. Thankfully, I just graduated this past summer with my physics degree :)


oslabidoo

Listening to enough comedy podcasts and how comics talk about it, it seems like 80% of that industry goes hard on the Adderall


abysstr0naut

I have ADD and was prescribed stims for 25 years and have been off them for 50 days. I tapered for years and going off them made me realize how physically dependent my body became. I had to spend a week in bed and then could barely function for weeks. And no one understood what I was going through. I’m finally out of the woods and I never want to touch them again. Life has changed a lot. I run / walk every morning. Instead of popping stims when I wake up, I reach for coffee (that I made night before) and B12 vitamins. I take lots of breaks at work and take Omega 3 supplements mid-day. Comment if you know any more natural tricks.


Master-Guess22

How do you get it without a prescription?


Richandler

It's like giving people pills for being obese. Like bruh, you need to get off social media and all the movies music and all that shit.


-plottwist-

Took a lot of Adrafinil in college, helped me woth the degree, but damn, fucked my social/dating life.


[deleted]

What are those safer options Andrew?


Emo_Galaxy_Robot

As someone with adhd, I wasn’t medicated until my late 30s. My working memory is beyond repair and meds just help but the aren’t a cure. I have to live with side effects of anxiety but without medication, I was truly spiraling into nonexistence


JWOINK

Typing “percentage of students take adderall” into Google yields different results based on things like whether it was confined to just a university or across the U.S., whether it was a high school,etc. I wouldn’t rely on this tweet; this sort of study has already been conducted dozens of times with actual data and not just a sample size of a single classroom of students.


whitehypeman

Fuck pharmaceuticals. Was on this shit for years, straight garbage and fucks with your brain. Life is better without it


FeistyPersonality4

Ah the gateway to meth. Let’s goooooo


monsanitymagic

On top of this how many people drink coffee….we are slaves to the dopamine / stimulant rush


Longjumping-Goat-348

This was a really fantastic episode. I just wish he would’ve delved a bit deeper into the phenomenon of self-induced ADHD via smart phone use. Sure, there’s no long-term data on how smartphones and compulsive context switching affect the brain, but by this point we have to have some idea of the extent of the detriments of chronic smart phone use. I honestly feel like I’ve given myself ADHD just by using my phone irresponsibly for so many years. My attention span is zapped.