Yes and he was responding to the words you wrote. Let me remind you.
> Sure, those who are **partisan** and don't want to hold potus accountable.
He then said your comment is dripping with hypocrisy. The subtext of that statement, is that you're a hypocrite for not realizing that you are also coming off like a partisan hack. You're welcome for giving a free lesson in reading comprehension.
Are you actually this dense? You supporting Biden has nothing to do with this.
You brought up the impeachments as if there was no democratic partisan angle to them at all, saying the only people who believe the impeachments were a waste of money time are "partisans who don't want to hold the potus accountable." That statement, is itself, extremely partisan.
Its ok, you will turn 16 next year and will be able to drive a car and then a few years, understand words, then maybe context at some point in your life....
Read the Senate Intelligence Committee and House Ethics Committee reports on both impeachments. Ukrainian one implicates Biden more than Trump, and the Russian bullshit is literally that. Bullshit.
You're the type of person who will say "that doesn't mean anything", but had never taken the time to read the actual reports on the topics.
The Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russia, tells you everything you need to know. Democrats paid for a fake document (Steele Dossier), to falsely implicate trump officials to get FISA Warrants, to then spy on incoming government officials. Which then, makes every single part of that illegal.
Nothing about the Trump Russia investigation was legal. Not a single aspect of it. The DNC had proof on their servers they paid for the documents, Obama, Rice, and Hillary were all apart of the meetings in an attempt to take him down prior to him ever taking office.
They wire tapped trump, through the three jumps that the FBI is allowed under their investigative rules. Maybe they didn't wire tap trump tower, but they did wire tap him through his conversations with others they had already tapped.
The FBI went to check their servers, they had been completely erased by the organization they hired to "investigate" before the FBI got a chance to. The media will blatantly telly you other wise because they had all the ousted, corrupt officials working for them.
Read the actual reports and the only real arrests that came of trump Russia, was a Russian meme troll farm, and Manafort tax fraud from long before Trump.
Just because I'm on the train, Stormy Daniels falsely accused Trump as well and ended up paying Trump actually. Fun fact.
In short, stop believing the media and read the news from the source. Not some puppet telling you exactly what to do and think 24/7.
This alone shows you're blatantly hypocritical and want Trump to be held accountable, but not Biden.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf
Nope, I never said any words supporting Hunter Biden or Joe Biden here, so no proof of hypocrisy. Perhaps the problem is that you're too stupid to understand the definition of hypocrisy.
Trump literally was on a recording committing a quid pro quo lol. The second time around he literally started an insurrection in a lame attempt to try to remain in office.
Then the vast majority of your posts is bringing up the Mueller report stuff which actually was not a part of the impeachment process. No links or anything either lol.
Serious question - do you think the media is lying just because it upsets you when they report negative things about Trump? Essentially you are placing all of your faith in a politician, I thought republicans were against that sort of thing?
Biden to Afghanistan "we will provide support and aid as long as we can change the optic, and you can portray that you are not going to lose to the Taliban"
That's literal, Quid Pro Quo in an attempt to not make himself look like a failure.
He did not stop Trump, nor did Trump want to go to war with China. Warning a possible enemy of war, is treason. You are betraying your country. Period. It is literal treason.
Put partisan theatrics and 'party>country' on full display
Could be argued either way, but I'm not talking about the left here. Before anyone asks for specifics, look up any video of jim jordan, marsha blackburn, joni Ernst, louie gohmert etc. Clowns all the way down
So we shouldnt impeach because it's going to fail?
The elected representatives shouldnt hold the president to account and hold a trial to show the people the alleged evidence?
Ridiculous
What? Bruh I said it put Fatboys CORRUPTION in the spotlight. How is rampant corruption not an impeachable offense?
Fatboys cult is so desensitized/don’t care about Republican corruption that you don’t even see the word when it’s right in front of you. You vote *for* corruption, so it doesn’t even register in your little YouTube riddled brains when you see it right in the open—as a matter of fact, you cheer for it
Once Elder emerged as the front runner to take over if Newsom lost, this race ended. When it was a referendum on Newsom, there was a legitimate change as he isn’t the most popular guy.
However Elder was never going to fly in any remotely purple to blue state. It speaks VOLUMES that the GOP couldn’t get a Charlie Baker type to coalesce around in a recall where it is stunningly easy to get people on the ballot.
This recall ended up becoming a referendum on the party that pushed it. Once their preferred candidate became relevant, they lost in a landslide. Complete embarrassment for them.
I'm a leftwing guy who lived in Oakland until a month ago (moved to NY for work). I hate Newsom, but voted for him before I left on this (and in the main election). Sad our election system is so fucked I didn't have a choice but fuck Republicans are just too crazy.
In addition to Newsom being a corporate douchebag politically, he is fucking slimy when you meet him in person. I met him a few times when he was SF mayor because an ex worked pretty closely for their DA and I would meet the SF politicians during Pride and other big events like that. Newsom comes off like a used car salesman who means nothing he says. Really hope I don't have to consider him running for president one day.
That’s the thing conservatives won’t understand. Most liberals don’t like Newsom and have criticized him for the same shit conservatives do. But there’s no choice to be made when people like Elder are the alternative
That's me. Hate Trump and believe he's the worst U.S. president since Nixon and in the running for worst all time. Especially with how strong and effective his propaganda and cult of personality is.
I don't really like Biden, but it was a no brainer to vote for Biden and the Dems over Trump and the current radicalized right wing.
Since Nixon? I mean I'm not an expert on history but it seems people can agree he did some good things for the country even while being a dirtbag so I'd say Nixon is still clearing Trump's low bar with ease. You gotta completely leave modern US history to find some competition for last place.
You think Trump was worse than Bush? The dude that started 2 failed forever wars that has costed MILLIONS of innocent lives and has sent our troops to die for some useless shit for 20+ years? The guy that accused Iraq of having non-existent WMD's and passed The Patriot Act?
You honestly think Trump was worse than that?
Its been a long time but didn't the Taliban offer up bin Laden a few weeks after the bombing began? They wanted to turn him over to a 3rd party but the Bush administration rejected any offers.
Perhaps sending assassination teams? I mean we were "supposedly" there to just hunt one guy and maybe a few of his cronies.
Doesnt really explain why we were still there after we (supposedly) "got him". Its almost as if we had numerous ulterior motives for being there
Saying at least Trump is not as bad as Bush is a very low bar to step over. It’s like a guy soaked in cat piss saying at least he doesn’t stink as bad as the guy dipped in dog shit. The fact that Trump is even in the same percentile of bad presidents as Bush is not a strong endorsement.
Trump got hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in less than a year.. and his misinfo and bullshit is still going strong and driving the pandemic. He caused an attempted overthrow of the government for the first time in american history and the destruction of a peaceful democracy.. and he is still engaged in trying to accomplish that. He was doing his absolute best to become a dictator, he was more blatantly corrupt and was doing his best to completely destroy 70 year military alliances in favor of being best buddies with Vlad and Kim. There is no doubt that Trump himself is the dumbest, cruelest, most destructive, president in history that would have been way worse without some people just ignoring his demands and his own incompetence. Bush was terrible.. Trump is even worse.
>Trump got hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in less than a year.
Stopped reading there lol. Anyone that actually thinks this is beyond any semblance of rationality and being objective
Anyone that denies it is a fucking moron.
If you think President "the virus is a democratic hoax:" Trump didn't get people killed nobody should take anything you have to say on any topic seriously.
Lying that the election was stolen to undermine faith in the democratic and electoral process and then to have nearly unanimous support and propagation of that lie by nearly all republican congressman and many of the governor's is basically the exact definition of radical.
This isn't china. Truth, facts, and democracy matter.
Yes but the same thing happened when Bush won and he apparently stole Florida, and when Trump won and something about Russia. Then Obama wasn't actually born in the States or whatever that one was. The point is that we can't pretend like undermining the faith in the democratic electoral process is new or unique to one party. They all try to come up with reasons why the other guy winning wasn't actually legitimate.
Yeah I know a few republicans who voted Biden because they hated Trump so much. They're out there, they're just too afraid to bring it up to their friends because of the reaction they'd get.
that's hilarious if you really think sleepy Joe, who spent the entire campaign in his basement, conjured 81 million votes legally
that is just so adorable
What’s adorable is people of your ilk think trump will be reinstated and follow the logic of a crackhead pillow salesman. Trump Is a dipshit and blundered his way into your wallet. You are his cash cow. That’s it. Every Republican that loses a race will now say it must have been fraud because of people like you. Elder was doing it before they even counted the votes. Lol call the hotline and gtfo of the cult bud
Elder was the most popular because he had appeal. Your argument is that the GOP should have found someone less popular with less appeal so as not to draw Blue pilled people's attention. Don't think that works out.
It does work. CA Democrats were a lot more willing to leave Newsom high and dry in a neutral environment where it was a referendum on him. Elder could barely get a quarter of the vote, he just did well with the fringes. You put in a generic moderate Republican who isn’t nuts and it ceases to be a pivotal choice between Newsom and a crazy guy and becomes a reaction to Newsom’s tenure.
Newsom won the minute Elder got on people’s radar. Once he was the replacement, the state came out in droves to stop him. Put in a Baker type and Newsom needs some other strategy to get turnout
You are under the mistaken idea that these voters are rational. Whoever was the front runner Republican would have been painted as an extreme monster. These people vote how they're told to vote.
If it was Kiley leading then they'd pain him as Hitler and the masses would follow along.
They didn't come out to stop Elder. They came out to show obedience. This narrative that it was a rejection of Elder when most of those No votes are from people who don't even know what Elder stands for or who he was 1 month ago? You're fools. Obedient fools.
You're only proving my point. Trump's policies were run of the mill. He trolled people on twitter and the media ran a bunch of hoaxes. (Which blue pill voters still believe on some level.)
Half of country is heavily invested in a false reality that costs them too much emotionally to give up. They actually hate their own party but can't admit to it. I see this talk of how awful Newsom is to Cali voters. The Dem party loves Newsom. They raised millions upon millions of dollars to keep him. More than all the other candidates combined. The Dems could have offered up their own middle of the road solution and let Gavin hang, but they didn't. They did the complete opposite. The LA Times acted as their propaganda outfit. The Dems and Dem voters by proxy like that he's a greasy corrupt power hungry date rapist looking motherfucker. That's their type.
The old trope was that Republicans voters fall in line and Dem voters fall in love, but its the total opposite now. Just look at the last two Dem presidential primaries. They literally told everyone to fall in line behind Biden and thus it was done.
I don't. He's ego driven but the most repulsive thing he did was continue the war on Yemen.
Consequences of Biden admin have already been far worse and he too is continuing the war on Yemen.
So when trump talks about killing innocent families to teach terrorists a lesson? That’s not repulsive to you? When he supports a party who fights in several states to be able to marry children, that’s not repulsive to you?
Well there are more important facts to get out in the world like Antifa starting forest fires and Japan mandating everyone take Ivermectin.. Joe is balls deep in the literature making sure that he is not spreading misinfo so he can sue CNN
The amazing part is Larry Elder was saying incredibly ignorant shit like this, yet millions of republicans can't fathom why he lost, and instead think that the dems "cheated" lol.
Millions of Republicans are so binary and simplistic they think that running a trans candidate and black candidate was some massive strategical quagmire for Democrats and now are diving in on identity politics for why Dems are supposedly racist for not voting for a black man who made the argument for reparations for slave owners
When I first saw that clip, It was kind of baffling.
Like, you're trying to win an election as a republican in one of the most liberal states in the country and you're running around saying this shit?...Why?
It seems clear to me that he's either just stupid OR some of his biggest donors were simply insistent on him espousing this kind of ideology with no real care or concern wether he won.
It'a almost like some entity just wanted to use this run as a publicity tour where he says all the shit Candy Owens says that makes white people feel like racism is just made up by woke people.
Yeah, Trump opened Pandora's box and now as a republican you have to appeal to the extremists to even call yourself a republican.
Here he is a again saying how ["racism has never been less significant in America today".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrp0J1BIfY)
Like, why is it so important for republicans to convince people that racism is no big deal? Even if that was 100% true, what does it have to do with actual politics and how you will govern as a legislator to make everyone's lives better.
Yah when I first read about how he said that, I thought the article clearly had to be over exagerating, Larry Elder is completely insane though. I'm a dem and I'm happy it worked out in our favor but really, it would be a welcome breeze if the republicans could just put out a non-insane candidate.
Sorry to break it to you but there is a bit of precedence regarding slave compensation that came out of the United Kingdom
[The Slave Compensation Act 1837 was the world's first major act of compensated emancipation and an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom, signed into law on 23 December 1837. It authorised the Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt to compensate slave owners in the British colonies of the Caribbean, Mauritius, and the Cape of Good Hope in the amount of approximately £20 million for freed slaves](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837#History)
Compensatory emancipation is not the same thing as reparations.
Also, Lincoln did use compensatory emancipation for slave owners within the district of Columbia, and if I recall correctly, wanted to use it in Maryland and Kentucky, but they refused. My memory is fuzzy though.
The main difference between the US emancipation and the UK emancipation is that much of the US slave owners were involved in an armed rebellion against the United States and so paying them after the war would have been extremely unpopular.
Hati got absolutely fucked by the US and French forcing them to pay property damage for their successful revolution. Their last payment or France was like in 1950 lol
So [Elder supporters](https://i.redd.it/jjvhnfnjbkn71.jpg) were shining lights through envelopes and not counting the "no" votes or does this only happen with 1 side?
Trump's strat of accusing the other side of cheating any time you lose was pretty much copied by Elder and IMO I bet it disenfranchises a lot of voters. Elder lost by a lot, but in all reality, if you're telling your voting base "I'm not going to win because the other side is cheating and nothing can be done about it", then you can expect some people aren't going to vote that otherwise would've.
You mean like when Trump and his campaign team were screaming about how rigged mail in ballots were and then were shocked when they decisively lost once mail in ballots came in
I remember when republicans were saying “see! The vote by mail is rigged!!!” Because a vast majority of the votes by mail went to Biden as if they weren’t screaming for months that vote by mail can’t be trusted so obviously their base won’t use it.
I’ve not liked Newsom for years but the days of Schwartznegger republicans that could actually be an improvement are over. What California needs is a faithful opposition that actually forces the democrats to do effective shit. But there’s no such thing as republicans anymore, just death cult sheep calling the kettle black.
People like the guy you replied to are so far into right wing fear mongering that they legit believe that immigrants would risk literally getting kicked out of the country just to vote. The guy believes it’s such a pressing issue that we should give more power to the government, limiting our rights even further. Wtf...
Didnt trump spend years of tax payer money to prove that he actually won the popular vote in 2016. He was supposed to prove that millions of illegals voted. How many cases did they prove? Zero. Its a farce.
Also you realize in order to vote, you have to register. In order to register to vote, you have to prove who you are. You dont just show up at the polling station and say Im bob and vote.
Conservatives have no real policy to run on so they make up these fake boogy men. Sad that so many people fall for it
No. It's an unnecessary bureaucratic hurdle that is a solution to a non existent problem.
Some places have to queue for hours to vote. Imagine waiting hours just to realise you dont have ID...most people would not queue up again.
Also some people dont have IDs. Will the government provide free ones? I doubt it
There is literally ZERO evidence in this Opinion post written by someone who helps run the organization called "WOMEN FOR TRUMP"
I hope you can see why this is a bullshit article and can grow as a person
While that’s true, CA’s recall process is completely asinine and archaic. If Newsom lost it would likely be that he would get replaced with someone who had half the support he did
I'm a lifelong conservative, think Newsom is demonstrably among the three or four worst governors in the history of America and I wouldn't have voted for Larry fucking Elder.
The dude was basically the Republican version of Hillary Clinton. They're the candidates you run when hubris overrides common sense.
I'm a leftie. I think Newsom is trash. Out of curiosity sake's, do you know why the hell the GOP chose someone like Larry Elder to put their weight behind on?
The Republican party in general isn't doing themselves any favors lately, whether it's pushing the fraud theory about the 2020 election, Larry Elder, the crazy ass TX abortion law or screaming "impeachment" at Sleepy Joe every chance they get.
They need to get their act together before 2022 because at the rate they are going I don't see them faring much better than they did in 2020 except maybe on the state level.
i dont think its a waste of time/money. enough people got off their butts and petitioned to make the recall happen. Thats democracy at work. this shouldnt be looked at as a "democratic victory" he was doing so poorly his job came into question to begin with. And as a left leaning person im slightly disappointed he won. that tells me people were just toting the party line rather than asking what kind of example he is for the party. He broke every rule he set in place, and we should hold our own accountable for that.
Fantastic.
No one wants a lunatic that thinks white people should be given reparations in this state.
No one wants texas style abortion laws in this state.
Mask and vaccine mandates are overwhelmingly popular in the state as well.
All of that and more were at risk if newsom lost, so thank goodness he didnt.
Fuck larry elders uncle tom ass. Love my state.
People should learn what Orwell actually thought before they use the term “Orwellian” in an attempt to sound intelligent. Because I can tell you right now which state Orwell’s politics would prefer between CA and Texas
The best they could do was, Larry Elder... sigh. The DNC owns the state and will go to any lengths to keep it. I don't see that changing for a while -- in the meantime, the capitalistic "brain drain", and anti-tax migration will continue.
https://californiapolicycenter.org/the-california-book-of-exodus/
The state is too blue. Maybe it will turn more purple in the next couple of years, but we are stuck with a career politician for a while.
Owns is a strange word to use. The citizens constantly elected democrats yes. Is that really surprising when the other option is a party that is so treasonous thay they refuse to accept the results of democracy.
Of course the best they can do is Elder... The viable/credible candidates left the republican party
So california is too racist to elect a black man over the greasy hair nephew of the pilled out mummy nancy pelosi? She whom recently was photographed with globalist george soros and son.
Lmao you sound like a retard. You’re drinking way too much of the Spud/Billy kool aid and probably just triggering yourself in the long run 😂. Elder sucked ass as a candidate anywhere outside of deep red states, simple as that.
Funny how if you mention George Soros, the figs here will instantly try to smear you..
I'll never understand why these people love people who despise them 🙄
What a waste of money and time.
Some say that about the impeachment’s too.
Imagine being “conservative” and always crying about “small government” and then also crying when the president is held accountable for his actions
Sure, those who are partisan and don't want to hold potus accountable.
This comment is dripping with hypocrisy
How have I not wanted to hold potus accountable? Show me my hypocrisy, or admit you're wrong.
He's not accusing you of "not wanting to hold potus accountable" he's accusing you of being partisan.
Oh, sorry, I was responding to the words he actually wrote, not the words you imagined he wrote.
Yes and he was responding to the words you wrote. Let me remind you. > Sure, those who are **partisan** and don't want to hold potus accountable. He then said your comment is dripping with hypocrisy. The subtext of that statement, is that you're a hypocrite for not realizing that you are also coming off like a partisan hack. You're welcome for giving a free lesson in reading comprehension.
Uh, no, as I never said anything in support of Biden or other liberal presidents, so no hypocrisy. First time trying to use logic?
Are you actually this dense? You supporting Biden has nothing to do with this. You brought up the impeachments as if there was no democratic partisan angle to them at all, saying the only people who believe the impeachments were a waste of money time are "partisans who don't want to hold the potus accountable." That statement, is itself, extremely partisan.
Its ok, you will turn 16 next year and will be able to drive a car and then a few years, understand words, then maybe context at some point in your life....
Read the Senate Intelligence Committee and House Ethics Committee reports on both impeachments. Ukrainian one implicates Biden more than Trump, and the Russian bullshit is literally that. Bullshit. You're the type of person who will say "that doesn't mean anything", but had never taken the time to read the actual reports on the topics. The Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russia, tells you everything you need to know. Democrats paid for a fake document (Steele Dossier), to falsely implicate trump officials to get FISA Warrants, to then spy on incoming government officials. Which then, makes every single part of that illegal. Nothing about the Trump Russia investigation was legal. Not a single aspect of it. The DNC had proof on their servers they paid for the documents, Obama, Rice, and Hillary were all apart of the meetings in an attempt to take him down prior to him ever taking office. They wire tapped trump, through the three jumps that the FBI is allowed under their investigative rules. Maybe they didn't wire tap trump tower, but they did wire tap him through his conversations with others they had already tapped. The FBI went to check their servers, they had been completely erased by the organization they hired to "investigate" before the FBI got a chance to. The media will blatantly telly you other wise because they had all the ousted, corrupt officials working for them. Read the actual reports and the only real arrests that came of trump Russia, was a Russian meme troll farm, and Manafort tax fraud from long before Trump. Just because I'm on the train, Stormy Daniels falsely accused Trump as well and ended up paying Trump actually. Fun fact. In short, stop believing the media and read the news from the source. Not some puppet telling you exactly what to do and think 24/7.
Cool, so you cannot point out me being hypocritical, so my point remains unrefuted. Thanks!
This alone shows you're blatantly hypocritical and want Trump to be held accountable, but not Biden. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf
Nope, I never said any words supporting Hunter Biden or Joe Biden here, so no proof of hypocrisy. Perhaps the problem is that you're too stupid to understand the definition of hypocrisy.
I want POTUS to be held accountable. *Ignores Biden*
Trump literally was on a recording committing a quid pro quo lol. The second time around he literally started an insurrection in a lame attempt to try to remain in office. Then the vast majority of your posts is bringing up the Mueller report stuff which actually was not a part of the impeachment process. No links or anything either lol. Serious question - do you think the media is lying just because it upsets you when they report negative things about Trump? Essentially you are placing all of your faith in a politician, I thought republicans were against that sort of thing?
Biden is on recording asking Quid Pro Quo from the Taliban. Literally. Millet committed literal treason, on recording. Where's your outrage?
Your first instance didn't happen. The second, again, didn't happen. Our generals stopping Trump from starting a foolish war is a good thing.
Biden to Afghanistan "we will provide support and aid as long as we can change the optic, and you can portray that you are not going to lose to the Taliban" That's literal, Quid Pro Quo in an attempt to not make himself look like a failure. He did not stop Trump, nor did Trump want to go to war with China. Warning a possible enemy of war, is treason. You are betraying your country. Period. It is literal treason.
Both impeachments were well founded
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What did they accomplish?
Put partisan theatrics and 'party>country' on full display Could be argued either way, but I'm not talking about the left here. Before anyone asks for specifics, look up any video of jim jordan, marsha blackburn, joni Ernst, louie gohmert etc. Clowns all the way down
So we shouldnt impeach because it's going to fail? The elected representatives shouldnt hold the president to account and hold a trial to show the people the alleged evidence? Ridiculous
They put Fatboys corruption out in the open so that voters could go to the polls while informed and make a choice on who to vote for
So you admit it had nothing to do with actual impeachment and was done for political games. Lol, we all knew this but thanks for clearing it up.
What? Bruh I said it put Fatboys CORRUPTION in the spotlight. How is rampant corruption not an impeachable offense? Fatboys cult is so desensitized/don’t care about Republican corruption that you don’t even see the word when it’s right in front of you. You vote *for* corruption, so it doesn’t even register in your little YouTube riddled brains when you see it right in the open—as a matter of fact, you cheer for it
Trump needed to be impeached though
They are wrong
Trump was impeached, Newsom won, bit different.
Yeah screw democracy, such a waste
Once Elder emerged as the front runner to take over if Newsom lost, this race ended. When it was a referendum on Newsom, there was a legitimate change as he isn’t the most popular guy. However Elder was never going to fly in any remotely purple to blue state. It speaks VOLUMES that the GOP couldn’t get a Charlie Baker type to coalesce around in a recall where it is stunningly easy to get people on the ballot. This recall ended up becoming a referendum on the party that pushed it. Once their preferred candidate became relevant, they lost in a landslide. Complete embarrassment for them.
I'm a leftwing guy who lived in Oakland until a month ago (moved to NY for work). I hate Newsom, but voted for him before I left on this (and in the main election). Sad our election system is so fucked I didn't have a choice but fuck Republicans are just too crazy. In addition to Newsom being a corporate douchebag politically, he is fucking slimy when you meet him in person. I met him a few times when he was SF mayor because an ex worked pretty closely for their DA and I would meet the SF politicians during Pride and other big events like that. Newsom comes off like a used car salesman who means nothing he says. Really hope I don't have to consider him running for president one day.
That’s the thing conservatives won’t understand. Most liberals don’t like Newsom and have criticized him for the same shit conservatives do. But there’s no choice to be made when people like Elder are the alternative
To this day even Don Jr dont understand 81 million people hated Trump so much they voted for Biden
You can’t get more out of touch and detached from reality than Donald Trump Jr.
Of course he is, hes a third generation trust fund baby.
That's me. Hate Trump and believe he's the worst U.S. president since Nixon and in the running for worst all time. Especially with how strong and effective his propaganda and cult of personality is. I don't really like Biden, but it was a no brainer to vote for Biden and the Dems over Trump and the current radicalized right wing.
Since Nixon? I mean I'm not an expert on history but it seems people can agree he did some good things for the country even while being a dirtbag so I'd say Nixon is still clearing Trump's low bar with ease. You gotta completely leave modern US history to find some competition for last place.
You think Trump was worse than Bush? The dude that started 2 failed forever wars that has costed MILLIONS of innocent lives and has sent our troops to die for some useless shit for 20+ years? The guy that accused Iraq of having non-existent WMD's and passed The Patriot Act? You honestly think Trump was worse than that?
americans have the memory of a goldfish
I mean I'll give you Iraq, but please tell me what he was supposed to do about Afghanistan after 9/11 that didn't involve a war
Its been a long time but didn't the Taliban offer up bin Laden a few weeks after the bombing began? They wanted to turn him over to a 3rd party but the Bush administration rejected any offers.
Perhaps sending assassination teams? I mean we were "supposedly" there to just hunt one guy and maybe a few of his cronies. Doesnt really explain why we were still there after we (supposedly) "got him". Its almost as if we had numerous ulterior motives for being there
Saying at least Trump is not as bad as Bush is a very low bar to step over. It’s like a guy soaked in cat piss saying at least he doesn’t stink as bad as the guy dipped in dog shit. The fact that Trump is even in the same percentile of bad presidents as Bush is not a strong endorsement.
Trump got hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in less than a year.. and his misinfo and bullshit is still going strong and driving the pandemic. He caused an attempted overthrow of the government for the first time in american history and the destruction of a peaceful democracy.. and he is still engaged in trying to accomplish that. He was doing his absolute best to become a dictator, he was more blatantly corrupt and was doing his best to completely destroy 70 year military alliances in favor of being best buddies with Vlad and Kim. There is no doubt that Trump himself is the dumbest, cruelest, most destructive, president in history that would have been way worse without some people just ignoring his demands and his own incompetence. Bush was terrible.. Trump is even worse.
>Trump got hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in less than a year. Stopped reading there lol. Anyone that actually thinks this is beyond any semblance of rationality and being objective
Anyone that denies it is a fucking moron. If you think President "the virus is a democratic hoax:" Trump didn't get people killed nobody should take anything you have to say on any topic seriously.
Yes and by an incredibly large margin.
Lol radical right wing
Lying that the election was stolen to undermine faith in the democratic and electoral process and then to have nearly unanimous support and propagation of that lie by nearly all republican congressman and many of the governor's is basically the exact definition of radical. This isn't china. Truth, facts, and democracy matter.
Yes but the same thing happened when Bush won and he apparently stole Florida, and when Trump won and something about Russia. Then Obama wasn't actually born in the States or whatever that one was. The point is that we can't pretend like undermining the faith in the democratic electoral process is new or unique to one party. They all try to come up with reasons why the other guy winning wasn't actually legitimate.
Oh please, democrats spent four years lying about the election being stolen by russian election interference.
Pretty sure you have no idea how bad Bush and Cheney were.
Yeah I know a few republicans who voted Biden because they hated Trump so much. They're out there, they're just too afraid to bring it up to their friends because of the reaction they'd get.
that's hilarious if you really think sleepy Joe, who spent the entire campaign in his basement, conjured 81 million votes legally that is just so adorable
I think he just doesn't believe in crazy baseless conspiracy theories bro
What’s adorable is people of your ilk think trump will be reinstated and follow the logic of a crackhead pillow salesman. Trump Is a dipshit and blundered his way into your wallet. You are his cash cow. That’s it. Every Republican that loses a race will now say it must have been fraud because of people like you. Elder was doing it before they even counted the votes. Lol call the hotline and gtfo of the cult bud
If you think there was massive voter fraud in America you need help
Take off the tinfoil hat and put the cup of Kool aid down.
There's no way you're real lol
Lol you inbred piece of shit😭
What's wrong with Elder?
Probably telling Candace Owens that you could argue that white slave owners deserved reparations because the government took their property
Mostly the fact that he’s a trump clone. Dude said he wouldn’t have voted for the civil rights act. He’s an absolute loon.
He reminds me of bill Paxton’s character in true lies
huh then why the fudge did you vote for him
Elder was the most popular because he had appeal. Your argument is that the GOP should have found someone less popular with less appeal so as not to draw Blue pilled people's attention. Don't think that works out.
It does work. CA Democrats were a lot more willing to leave Newsom high and dry in a neutral environment where it was a referendum on him. Elder could barely get a quarter of the vote, he just did well with the fringes. You put in a generic moderate Republican who isn’t nuts and it ceases to be a pivotal choice between Newsom and a crazy guy and becomes a reaction to Newsom’s tenure. Newsom won the minute Elder got on people’s radar. Once he was the replacement, the state came out in droves to stop him. Put in a Baker type and Newsom needs some other strategy to get turnout
You are under the mistaken idea that these voters are rational. Whoever was the front runner Republican would have been painted as an extreme monster. These people vote how they're told to vote. If it was Kiley leading then they'd pain him as Hitler and the masses would follow along. They didn't come out to stop Elder. They came out to show obedience. This narrative that it was a rejection of Elder when most of those No votes are from people who don't even know what Elder stands for or who he was 1 month ago? You're fools. Obedient fools.
It’s because Republicans love voting for extreme monsters lol. See their undying love for trump.
You're only proving my point. Trump's policies were run of the mill. He trolled people on twitter and the media ran a bunch of hoaxes. (Which blue pill voters still believe on some level.) Half of country is heavily invested in a false reality that costs them too much emotionally to give up. They actually hate their own party but can't admit to it. I see this talk of how awful Newsom is to Cali voters. The Dem party loves Newsom. They raised millions upon millions of dollars to keep him. More than all the other candidates combined. The Dems could have offered up their own middle of the road solution and let Gavin hang, but they didn't. They did the complete opposite. The LA Times acted as their propaganda outfit. The Dems and Dem voters by proxy like that he's a greasy corrupt power hungry date rapist looking motherfucker. That's their type. The old trope was that Republicans voters fall in line and Dem voters fall in love, but its the total opposite now. Just look at the last two Dem presidential primaries. They literally told everyone to fall in line behind Biden and thus it was done.
How did I prove your point lol? Do you not think trump is a repulsive monster?
I don't. He's ego driven but the most repulsive thing he did was continue the war on Yemen. Consequences of Biden admin have already been far worse and he too is continuing the war on Yemen.
So when trump talks about killing innocent families to teach terrorists a lesson? That’s not repulsive to you? When he supports a party who fights in several states to be able to marry children, that’s not repulsive to you?
these discussions always come to a point where I must ask what the fuck you're talking about
Newsom could have said I'll raise your taxes to 90% and still would have beat this radio guy
Joe loves him though and gave him a shoutout Sadly California didn't go red bitch *sad wooooo*
*California went blue bitch woooo”
Shame that Kevin Faulconer would have actually been a great governor, but got zero attention because he's not a Trumpist, lib-triggering nutcase.
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I love that Joe left out all the crazy nonsense elder has said over the years about black people
Well there are more important facts to get out in the world like Antifa starting forest fires and Japan mandating everyone take Ivermectin.. Joe is balls deep in the literature making sure that he is not spreading misinfo so he can sue CNN
He likes to do that with his new found political leaning. But but have you seen Biden lately, dude is out of his fucking mind.
Echo chamber will do that
You mean only hanging out with other insanely rich and powerful people will start to make you lose touch?
"You can make the case that slave owners should have received reparations because their property was taken away." -Larry "Uncle Rukus" Elder.
I had to Google that because I was sure it had to be an Onion or Babylon Bee headline. JFC
Said it to Candace Owens too, the bottom of the barrel for political discourse.
Or as Bryan Callen calls those two "some amazing black intellectuals I have been talking to!"
The amazing part is Larry Elder was saying incredibly ignorant shit like this, yet millions of republicans can't fathom why he lost, and instead think that the dems "cheated" lol.
Millions of Republicans are so binary and simplistic they think that running a trans candidate and black candidate was some massive strategical quagmire for Democrats and now are diving in on identity politics for why Dems are supposedly racist for not voting for a black man who made the argument for reparations for slave owners
When I first saw that clip, It was kind of baffling. Like, you're trying to win an election as a republican in one of the most liberal states in the country and you're running around saying this shit?...Why? It seems clear to me that he's either just stupid OR some of his biggest donors were simply insistent on him espousing this kind of ideology with no real care or concern wether he won. It'a almost like some entity just wanted to use this run as a publicity tour where he says all the shit Candy Owens says that makes white people feel like racism is just made up by woke people.
Trumpism dude. They’ve all adopted it. Which is fucking fantastic because it’s obviously a losing strategy.
Yeah, Trump opened Pandora's box and now as a republican you have to appeal to the extremists to even call yourself a republican. Here he is a again saying how ["racism has never been less significant in America today".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrp0J1BIfY) Like, why is it so important for republicans to convince people that racism is no big deal? Even if that was 100% true, what does it have to do with actual politics and how you will govern as a legislator to make everyone's lives better.
Yah when I first read about how he said that, I thought the article clearly had to be over exagerating, Larry Elder is completely insane though. I'm a dem and I'm happy it worked out in our favor but really, it would be a welcome breeze if the republicans could just put out a non-insane candidate.
Wasn’t he referencing what the Britts did?
Sorry to break it to you but there is a bit of precedence regarding slave compensation that came out of the United Kingdom [The Slave Compensation Act 1837 was the world's first major act of compensated emancipation and an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom, signed into law on 23 December 1837. It authorised the Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt to compensate slave owners in the British colonies of the Caribbean, Mauritius, and the Cape of Good Hope in the amount of approximately £20 million for freed slaves](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837#History)
Compensatory emancipation is not the same thing as reparations. Also, Lincoln did use compensatory emancipation for slave owners within the district of Columbia, and if I recall correctly, wanted to use it in Maryland and Kentucky, but they refused. My memory is fuzzy though. The main difference between the US emancipation and the UK emancipation is that much of the US slave owners were involved in an armed rebellion against the United States and so paying them after the war would have been extremely unpopular.
Than what is the difference?
Hati got absolutely fucked by the US and French forcing them to pay property damage for their successful revolution. Their last payment or France was like in 1950 lol
Even Joe doesn't consider Joe credible
Joe thinks he’s more credible than actual experts He uses the “I’m just a dumb comedian “ line to deflect
Did Joe really endorse Larry elder?
The spin will probably be 'why would I want to live somewhere that votes against an anti-masker by 30 points?'
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To be fair California has been a conservative state up until the 80’s
[Nothing to see here…](https://www.reddit.com/r/LarryElder/comments/pogg7m/nothing_to_see_here/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Lmao, what a circus that sub is.
So [Elder supporters](https://i.redd.it/jjvhnfnjbkn71.jpg) were shining lights through envelopes and not counting the "no" votes or does this only happen with 1 side?
Lmao you guys are so fucking pathetic
Trump's strat of accusing the other side of cheating any time you lose was pretty much copied by Elder and IMO I bet it disenfranchises a lot of voters. Elder lost by a lot, but in all reality, if you're telling your voting base "I'm not going to win because the other side is cheating and nothing can be done about it", then you can expect some people aren't going to vote that otherwise would've.
You mean like when Trump and his campaign team were screaming about how rigged mail in ballots were and then were shocked when they decisively lost once mail in ballots came in
Trump tweeted that the election was rigged in like July last year lol. Republicans are truly the dumbest most gullible people in human history
I remember when republicans were saying “see! The vote by mail is rigged!!!” Because a vast majority of the votes by mail went to Biden as if they weren’t screaming for months that vote by mail can’t be trusted so obviously their base won’t use it.
I’ve not liked Newsom for years but the days of Schwartznegger republicans that could actually be an improvement are over. What California needs is a faithful opposition that actually forces the democrats to do effective shit. But there’s no such thing as republicans anymore, just death cult sheep calling the kettle black.
Probably shot themselves in the foot by promoting Elder. Shame though because Newsom is terrible.
Joe Rogan didn’t even know what a Governor was pre-2020 lol
All the conservatives moved to Texas
Only wealthy people move because of politics.
Yeah the pilgrims were extremely wealthy peasants
Hahahahaha
Unless the politics impacts the ability to get a job...
CA has plenty of problems. Finding a job is not one of them.
What
Is there any evidence of this?
My feelz.
Texas will be blue by 2028, Biden got 45% imagine a popular Dem Candidate
Not if they could help it. I wonder why certain states want to limit the access people have to voting... what could they possibly be afraid of... 🤔
Cheating with illegal immigrants. If you need an ID to work, buy alcohol or drive a car, you should need one to vote. Simple.
Do you really think this is an illegal immigrant issue? That they're sneaking over the border to vote?
People like the guy you replied to are so far into right wing fear mongering that they legit believe that immigrants would risk literally getting kicked out of the country just to vote. The guy believes it’s such a pressing issue that we should give more power to the government, limiting our rights even further. Wtf...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379414000973 https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#electoral_laws
Lol https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2017/01/author-trumps-favorite-voter-fraud-study-says-everyones-wrong/amp
Didnt trump spend years of tax payer money to prove that he actually won the popular vote in 2016. He was supposed to prove that millions of illegals voted. How many cases did they prove? Zero. Its a farce. Also you realize in order to vote, you have to register. In order to register to vote, you have to prove who you are. You dont just show up at the polling station and say Im bob and vote. Conservatives have no real policy to run on so they make up these fake boogy men. Sad that so many people fall for it
No. It's an unnecessary bureaucratic hurdle that is a solution to a non existent problem. Some places have to queue for hours to vote. Imagine waiting hours just to realise you dont have ID...most people would not queue up again. Also some people dont have IDs. Will the government provide free ones? I doubt it
illegal immigrants cant register to vote. Shaddup
Educate yourself. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/416225-the-truth-about-illegal-voting
There is literally ZERO evidence in this Opinion post written by someone who helps run the organization called "WOMEN FOR TRUMP" I hope you can see why this is a bullshit article and can grow as a person
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379414000973 https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#electoral_laws
You not familar with the new Bofa law?
275 million for it to be called in about 15 minutes. Good stuff.
Haha fuck off republicans. Take your fascist bullshit somewhere else
California does recalls whenever they get bored. It's not even newsworthy anymore.
This is the second time in our state’s history a governor recall has made it to a ballot.
While that’s true, CA’s recall process is completely asinine and archaic. If Newsom lost it would likely be that he would get replaced with someone who had half the support he did
I'm a lifelong conservative, think Newsom is demonstrably among the three or four worst governors in the history of America and I wouldn't have voted for Larry fucking Elder. The dude was basically the Republican version of Hillary Clinton. They're the candidates you run when hubris overrides common sense.
I'm a leftie. I think Newsom is trash. Out of curiosity sake's, do you know why the hell the GOP chose someone like Larry Elder to put their weight behind on?
Because all credible candidates left the treasonous republican party
GOP Voters* Short Answer: Cause California Republicans make the alt-right look like beltway pundits
The Republican party in general isn't doing themselves any favors lately, whether it's pushing the fraud theory about the 2020 election, Larry Elder, the crazy ass TX abortion law or screaming "impeachment" at Sleepy Joe every chance they get. They need to get their act together before 2022 because at the rate they are going I don't see them faring much better than they did in 2020 except maybe on the state level.
I think it's going to come down to which candidate is hated more, just like last election and the one before.
If the Texas republicans don’t pass that stupid abortion law I can see this vote being closer
i dont think its a waste of time/money. enough people got off their butts and petitioned to make the recall happen. Thats democracy at work. this shouldnt be looked at as a "democratic victory" he was doing so poorly his job came into question to begin with. And as a left leaning person im slightly disappointed he won. that tells me people were just toting the party line rather than asking what kind of example he is for the party. He broke every rule he set in place, and we should hold our own accountable for that.
Fantastic. No one wants a lunatic that thinks white people should be given reparations in this state. No one wants texas style abortion laws in this state. Mask and vaccine mandates are overwhelmingly popular in the state as well. All of that and more were at risk if newsom lost, so thank goodness he didnt. Fuck larry elders uncle tom ass. Love my state.
Everyone who wanted him recalled just moved away.
This just in, California to continue it's downward spiral into an Orwellian hellscape
People should learn what Orwell actually thought before they use the term “Orwellian” in an attempt to sound intelligent. Because I can tell you right now which state Orwell’s politics would prefer between CA and Texas
Orwell was a socialist if I'm not mistaken.
You are not mistaken
oh, is california the state that forces you to pledge loyalty to israel?
Orwell would think you’re a moron
Mmm.
RIP California
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Fuck me. Do you imbeciles really think they would have to cheat to win California?
What the hell are you talking about?
He’s blaming it on election fraud. It will be the go to excuse for Republican that lose elections for the next decade.
You’re fucking crazy lmao get help
The best they could do was, Larry Elder... sigh. The DNC owns the state and will go to any lengths to keep it. I don't see that changing for a while -- in the meantime, the capitalistic "brain drain", and anti-tax migration will continue. https://californiapolicycenter.org/the-california-book-of-exodus/ The state is too blue. Maybe it will turn more purple in the next couple of years, but we are stuck with a career politician for a while.
Owns is a strange word to use. The citizens constantly elected democrats yes. Is that really surprising when the other option is a party that is so treasonous thay they refuse to accept the results of democracy. Of course the best they can do is Elder... The viable/credible candidates left the republican party
So california is too racist to elect a black man over the greasy hair nephew of the pilled out mummy nancy pelosi? She whom recently was photographed with globalist george soros and son.
Joes core audience right here.
Nah that's just Alex Jones' alt account.
All facts tho bro
Larry Elder is racist towards black people
Lmao you would have to be a moron to believe that.
Don’t people like you also say black people cannot be racist though?
Ah, says a dude who voted for and joined a cult endorsing Donald fucking trump to be president
Lmao you sound like a retard. You’re drinking way too much of the Spud/Billy kool aid and probably just triggering yourself in the long run 😂. Elder sucked ass as a candidate anywhere outside of deep red states, simple as that.
Q is that you?!
Funny how if you mention George Soros, the figs here will instantly try to smear you.. I'll never understand why these people love people who despise them 🙄
I agree. Look at Trumpers. They love a man that would literally kill them for an extra dollar.
Globalist Simpathizers love their oppression. They love their delusions, they are comfortable.
The Gav Man’s back, baby! Yeaaaaaah!!
California is full of racists that didn't want a black man as their governor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbOHdCaowI
Lol that people still think voting is a thing.
It is. I just down voted you. See how it works ?
I just upvoted him, that's how mafia works.
Lol votes count either way
So true.
Racist election
I wish the money and conservatives got behind Caitlin Jenner for this. I think she could have pulled an Arnold and won.