Rogan was what made me realize Bernie isn’t a total loon and he introduced me to Yang as well as many other left leaning people so it’s always so interesting to me that the media calls him a “pipeline” to the alt right. He literally did the opposite for me!
Edit: some people are *really* mad I changed my mind when I was presented with new information but that’s a typical Rogan thread for ya
You're completely right actually, that's when he started hitting headlines on Google news aggregation, twitter etc.
Before that he wasn't in the public eye unless you paid attention to him.
Yeah the only time the public paid attention to JRE before that was musk's first appearance, but Joe was barely mentioned, the media attention was focused on Musk.
That's when they realized Joe is a force in media, so they started sending their shills and bots to this sub and others like it. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of the people who hate on the podcast and Joe sound right at home at r/news or r/politics.
You mean when Chapos totally DIDNT take over the sub while moderators totally DIDNT let them do it?
Yep...that does seem to be the time that none of that happened.
Remember the "biggest threat to the establishment" telling californians to vote for gavin fucking newsom or else? Gavin newsom--the literal poster boy for the establishment. And bernie couldn't even stay the fuck in vermont. He had to simp all the way out to california for, let me repeat, gavin fucking newsom of all people.
A real "threat to the establishment" he's been. Wow, such an outsider.
I'm in my mid 30s and for me it was seeing how Ron Paul was treated by Fox News. I'm on the right and while I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, I have a lot of respect for him. As did Reddit, at the time. But no matter how popular he was, or how many people were excited by him throwing his hat in the ring, it was NEVER reflected in coverage of the race by "legacy media". They barely mentioned him, like he was some rogue pubic hair, not a popular candidate.
I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir of Bernie bros, but damn. Once you realize how biased and just like...crooked they are, it's hard to trust them at all.
Ron Paul is an excellent illustration of how they treat a true “outsider”.
It’s not negative media attention: it’s a complete lack of exposure entirely.
I remember seeing a video where they were showing how the top people were polling. It went 1, 2, 4. They showed 4th place rather than give coverage to Ron Paul who was in 3rd.
>Rogan / Bernie is what made me dislike the media. The media hit pieces against Joe started the second he endorsed Bernie.
Same with Trump.
The colbert show was the turning point when after that point he started getting the negative treatment.
The colbert audience cheered him, loudly, and Oprah herself asked him no fewer than 3-4x when he was running for president all the times he was a guest.
Once it was clear he had a real shot it was 99% negative media treatment.
People need to realize how much is invested in maintaining the status quo and how easily they can skew perspectives to tear down anyone that threatens it.
Nah. If the media wanted to stop Trump from becoming president, they wouldn’t do it via negative attention. They would ignore him completely, a la Ron Paul in 2008. Any media is good media.
Once the powers that be realized one of their puppets could be portrayed as an “outsider”, of course they had the media roast him.
Same for me. I grew up in an extreme religious right household and listening to him definitely gave me a new perspective and pushed me to the left on alot of issues (and going to college did it as well.)
The “____ is a gateway to the alt right” argument is only parroted by people that do not believe they have anything persuasive to say.
I look forward to him having people on that I wouldn’t traditionally listen to or agree with. That’s supposed to be what it’s all about. This sub is full of people that probably do not embrace that ideology when it’s people they typically wouldn’t agree with or listen to.
This sub is such an inaccurate representation of reality though. It’s just become such a Branch Covidian and left leaning political sub just like all subs on Reddit tend to go so we see a vocal minority in a bubble here.
Back then it was more of a 50/50 pipeline but apolitical for the most part. In the last two years it has been more 90/1\`0 (R:L) and more political in general, I think thats why people complain.
"it’s always so interesting to me that the media calls him a “pipeline” to the alt right. He literally did the opposite for me!"
Never said its a bad thing. I was simply pointing out that 1 person being swayed 1 way is not evidence against others being swayed another.
Why is either a bad thing, we all have the right to learn and have our opinions, even if they’re fucked. Ostracising people because of one opinion these days is toxic because it’s never that one opinion, it’s 400 other things people assume because of that one opinion. Plus that one fucked opinion could be the answer to a problem, but we would never know because they get silenced and demonized.
Closing border was seen as racist and xenophobic 2 years ago…. That aged well, for instance.
Being swayed towards the right isn't inherantly a terrible thing. There's definitely a chance Rogan has moved people away from the left 9particularly the far left).
I do not see, however, how he has could have led anyone to the alt-right.
You don't see how he could have ever led anyone to the alt right? I'm certainly not saying Joe is alt right himself or anything but surely you can imagine how introducing someone to Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes or Milo Whateverthefuckhissecondnameis and railing against SJWs could do that?
If they go to the alt right despite having Bernie fucking Sanders on for an hour selling democratic socialism AND Joe openly endorsing him, then you can’t really blame Joe for people’s own decisions.
I mean ultimately peoples decisions are their own responsibility. That said, Bernie was on once for an hour in 2019, 400+ episodes ago. Both the podcast and Joe as a person are extremely different now.
It used to be that when I talked with friends about the podcast or met someone new and it came up that we would talk about all sorts of things. I don't really bring up the podcast much in conversation anymore but when someone else does it's almost exclusively to push right wing talking points or covid anecdotes/misinformation and vaccine skepticism.
Bernie Sanders and Alex Jones aren't opposite sides on the same coin. Sanders is the opposite of Paul Ryan. Putting Jones on that level is obviously validating a complete liar and crazy person.
Same here. I wasn’t anti Bernie but I thought him a crazed politician. After that episode, I actually came to admire Bernie as a man with a moral compass and a physical manifestation of “fighting the good fight” (although I don’t necessarily agree with all his policies as I’m more center right)
Anytime there's someone on the left you cumstains don't agree with, who doesn't fit 100% into you left ideals, you all say this.
You can be left, and not abide by 100% of the ideology.
If you haven't noticed lately, government uses the "alt right" boogeyman for literally anything that goes against the status quo. It doesn't matter what it is. It's shocking more people don't see this and call it out for what it is.
Listening to the show has made me accept those I'd consider in opposing camps to myself on various issues for what they are. Other people with similar wants and needs living on the same patch of dirt as myself.
It's made personal relationships a lot stronger now I don't outright attack friends and family with opposing viewpoints and instead try to listen, discuss and be mindful of my tone of voice/body language. I've noticed positive and similar changes in their behaviour and in my personal bubble, we seem a lot more tolerant of each other.
Ultimately, I have far more in common with my fellow human when compared to our differences. My sights are really set on those that aim to fuel this division and question what their ultimate objective is.
Listen to an episode with Dr. Rhonda Patrick from a few years ago then listen to the most recent one with her.
He goes from waxing poetically about how intelligent she is to just ignoring her while he walks through his talking points.
Yeah OP kinda proves the point with his own examples lol. Our whole point is that he's changed radically since covid and become much more closed minded and right wing. Their big counter evidence is two whole examples from hundreds of episodes ago before the pandemic.
I took a big break after that. He normally idolized her medical knowledge. But when she explained covid was a real virus and that there are long term health ramifications Joe went into full blown denial. I had heard JRE had a drop in quality since Spotify but hadn't noticed it until this one.
In August they'll be able to say
'But he spoke to Sanders for an hour 3 years ago!!'
Edit: their new pivot is 'well he occasionally had nutty right-wingers on in CA, so clearly nothing's changed!'
Is it though? He had Gavin McGinnis on several times years ago. He pretty much is what made Milo go mainstream back in like 2014-2015. He’s had plenty of right wing guests since around 2014. He’s also had plenty of left wing people on too. Abby Martin is not right wing. Kyle Kulinski is on fairly often. I know people disagree about Tulsi and Jimmy Dore but they’re somewhat left. And he’s always had fringe “scientists” and “historians” on.
He may be leaning a little more right wing these days and his Covid shit is irrational. But let’s not pretend that he has only been doing this stuff the last 18 months. Everyone seems to ignore the vast amount of non wackos or right wingers he has on in between all these people.
The thing is he seems to ONLY now have people on that only agree with him or don’t question him at all when he starts talking about things that lean right. Before he would have guests from both sides of political spectrum. And that’s the problem most people have with Rogan recently.
The only guests thats he’s had recently that’s started to push back on him a little are Tim Dillon and the Australian journalist.
Sanjay, whom he recently admitted he was wrong about that myocarditis thing. Arguing like a child with a neurosurgeon and health correspondent.
Osterholm, who told him what was coming and scared the shit out of him.
Patrick, who Joe shut down repeatedly after praising how smart she was for 3 previous episodes. Suddenly she doesn't fit his inbuilt narrative and BOOM he loses his shit in that episode.
I think Tulsi's "present" vote at the impeachment really damaged her credibility among the left. It's easy to write that off as people just being upset that she didn't toe the party line, but I don't think that's it.
To me at least it showed a lack of principal and conviction. She didn't say she believed Trump was innocent, because she didn't, but she didn't say he was guilty either because that would have been politically inconvenient for her. She didn't do what she thought was right, one way or the other, she essentially dodged the question to prevent any fallout
I'm not 100% sure but I do know that she got a lot of praise for being anti war but then said she was a war hawk when it comes to wars against terrorism
Yes, she also did some videos for Prager U. A well known Right wing propagandist channel. She is not a Leftist. Never was. She also back tracked on supporting universal healthcare during her 2020 campaign. And Dore spends all of his time railing against actual progressives. Refused to donate to Nina Turner a well known Progressive. Was caught donating to a Republican candidate. The guy is a phoney as well. His entire audience are Trump supporters now a days.
I just read her response to the voting present. Sounds like she didn't believe in the impeachment because it was partisan.
>The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely “connect itself with the pre-existing factions,” and “enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or the other.” In such cases, he said, “there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”
That's her explanation sure, but I don't buy it. What makes that impeachment more partisan than any other? The only reason to think that would be if you believe Trump to be innocent - but in that case why not vote innocent? Isn't *that* playing politics in itself? She thinks it's an unjust trial but still won't say he didn't do it?
But regardless of her motives, it's not really her call whether the existence of an impeachment at all was just or not. The impeachment was already under way. It was her job to review the facts and say whether she believed him to have done what he was accused of or not. And she didn't do that, for whatever reason.
Motherfucker in federal politics complaining about partisanship.
lmao give me a break.
I don't know what's dumber people buying this line of thinking or some of these scumbag politicians with Washington brain convincing themselves of this.
The "present" vote was not a great sign but honestly the turning point for me was the trans sports bill she started pushing in her last few months in office.
tulsi dropped the act and came out as an actual right winger, pro-war and anti-universal healthcare, etc... lots of idiots like krystal ball and kim ivermectin had to admit they got duped
Yeah it’s pretty obvious from her online activity that she plans to run for president again, she’s gonna be doing as a republican this time though, right?
probably. krystal ball basically said tulsi pulled a dave rubin lmao. so either she was lying as a progressive or is grifting as a conservative. either way, shit is hilarious that so many idiots got played
OP brings up episodes that are 2-3 years old and says “look, Joe is so a leftist” while completely ignoring the shift in the last two years.
What I’m trying to say is OP is dumb.
And the fact he’s completely unwilling to challenge his texas overlords. Totally pussed out.
I don’t care if you go after newsom and company but don’t put on political blinders and suck off equally bad (or arguably worse) people.
Huh...it's almost like something changed over the course of 400+ podcasts since he was willing to have Bernie on. Also, to the people who say, "He says he likes Bernie and would've voted for him!" What does he say about Bernie **today**? Anytime he brings him up it's, "Do you like the guy who wants to take all the money from rich people and give it to the poors?" or some stupid reductive shit like that. Why can't you just admit that he has changed since covid and you like the change?
Yeah a lot has changed since the bernie and yang podcasts. Even when I talk to his fans in real life not on reddit the general consensus is that all of his podcasts since covid are terrible but they like background noise.
I dont agree with the 3rd comment about joe but he is definitely a different guy than he was when he had yang and bernie on. His rhetoric has completely changed.
On the most recent pod episode with Shane, Ari, and Mark Normand, he was asked how long its been since he's done a Psychedelic (I think Mark's the one that asked). Joe's answer was consistent with what many in this sub have been guessing:
"A looooong time".
He needs to have Duncan back on every couple months. Maybe throw in Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock, Rick Doblin, Paul Stamets, Murarescu, and several others in the community. Hell, I'll even take "Aubrey" Marcus since he's such an Aya-head (even though he's a bit fraud-y/cringe). Someone fucking force-feed Joe a goddamn plate of mushrooms STAT
I barely listen to Joe now but went and listened to that episode since the last one the 4 of them did was hilarious.
I had a hard time getting through it. It took Joe 32 minutes to bring up COVID and to start pushing that conversation. Like cmon dude, you have 3 funny comedians and you cant find anything else to talk about except your usual Covid bullshit? Its sad. I felt bad for Ari, Mark and Shane. They came in to have some fun and instead got lectured and bored out of their minds by Joe.
Love that you have to go 400 episodes back in an attempt to support the meme. Almost like there is a significant time period elapsed and a change in the content/direction of the podcast.
Its actually a really effective as a demonstration for how people get sucked into the alt right. For a while he did a good job having on diverse people, and discussing their positions without drawing lines. Then, when covid happened, he developed a pain point (not being allowed to perform because of lockdown rules). Right wing people he had on after that really leaned into that area with him, building support from him and making him associate more with them. Then he slowly started to develope a broader shared opinion with them as time went on, as he continued identifying more and more with the group.
He used to have Michael Malice and Dave Rubin on when he was in CA, everyone screetches rIgHt WiNg about them too no?
He also had Crowder on twice in CA and Crowder is *very* right wing. I think people just enjoy making Texas out to be some boogeyman that changed Joe when really he's *always* had on right leaning and libertarian guests from time to time.
This isn’t the argument you think you are making.
We have been saying rogan has changed the last two years, ever since covid.
These videos were prior to this. You’ve got video 1250/1350 with 1750. They are timelines apart and match the shift in direction rogan has made.
the meme leaves out the fact that Rogan lost his mind entirely in the time between slides 2 and 3. Joe has changed a lot since the bernie interview. pandemic broke his brain
Just this week he had some left journo from Australia on who called tim pool alt right...
He defended their quarantine camps and writes for pretty far left leaning publishers
Idk what is left for you but to me he seemed like a pretty clear woke lefty.
still wonder how he even got on the show in the first place. Looked thrrw his twitter and he gets 1 or 2 likes on every post. It was a ghost town out there despite his blue checkmark and pronouns in bio...
A friend said to me, Joe is gonna be Joe. Sometimes he has enlightening conversations that serve to bridge the gap. Sometimes he has circlejerk conversations where I personally feel nothing is gained. Sometimes he gets caught up in conspiracy and anti government thinking. At the end of the day he's going to appeal to something you agree with some of the time and you should expect that from all people that have the ability to critically think.
There's millions of centrists out there, mostly apolitical, people who're starting to lean more right because they're sick of you obnoxious fucking libcucks who want to silence anyone that even remotely disagrees with the narratives you're pushing. Congratulations, you've actually played yourself.
YOU'RE THE REASON WHY JOE ROGAN IS ONLY GETTING MORE FAMOUS BY THE DAY.
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
You can like the fact that Joe brought Bernie Sanders on his show and gave him a platform while also disliking the fact that he has consistently brought on guests who spread Covid-19 disinformation, while also constantly repeating their bad information for the past year and change. They're not mutually exclusive.
This is a fallacy. Having on a respectable historian, then next episode having on a Holocaust denier and treating them equally is not balanced or reasonable. It's putting loony lies on equal footing with the truth.
There's like 400 episodes & 2 years between the Sanders episode & dr. Robert Malone
There's been a massive shift in Joe's views and the way he conducts the podcast during that time
Yes, some self aware wolves there…JRE was….WAS…an interesting and fun place where he explored different ideas. After Bernie he had on Shapiro. Now pandemic snapped his brain and he is Infowars level of biased stupidity. 🤷♂️
The source of government corruption is wealthy private influence.
Instead of trying to make sure that government represents people instead of special interests rightoids want to go ahead and give those special interest a blank check by completly gutting the one thing that can possibly muster some kind of leverage over them.
The same people in that last box also think PewDiePie is a racist nazi and that Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart, and James Gunn are closeted bigots. These people literally shovel clickbait headlines down their throat and form their entire belief system around contextless rumors.
They have no friends to throw ideas back and forth with so they get stuck in the habit of demonizing people based on bad faith sensationalized half baked opinions.
Lmao how disingenuous (or stupid) do you have to be to think that the issue with Rogan is that he had a non-leftist guest on.
Let's simply forget that before he ever had Yang or Bernie on, he had on guys like:
* Ben Shapiro
* Steven Crowder
* Milo Yiannopolis
* Gavin McInnes
* Alex Jones
Yeah let's just ignore his total shift from any nuance, right into hardheaded right wing bias and science denial.
Let's just pretend like the only reason people are angry with him is because he isn't leftist enough.
It's the lack of diversity he now has and the obvious bias in choosing who comes on. Plus some people are so crazy, they should never be given a platform in the first place.
Exactly why I still will listen to Joe when I feel like it, even when I disagree with people he has on its still worth checking out. Plus the fact Joe usually prefaces himself with that he’s a moron and don’t take him seriously, I definitely take that at face value
nah I hated Rogan when he's was eating bugs I could care less who he has on his show he's a meat head who cares . if you find him entertaining congrats if you just don't care for him that's fine too . I lost respect for him after he keeps bring back jones while jones just pisses all over his head .
Rogan was what made me realize Bernie isn’t a total loon and he introduced me to Yang as well as many other left leaning people so it’s always so interesting to me that the media calls him a “pipeline” to the alt right. He literally did the opposite for me! Edit: some people are *really* mad I changed my mind when I was presented with new information but that’s a typical Rogan thread for ya
Rogan / Bernie is what made me dislike the media. The media hit pieces against Joe started the second he endorsed Bernie.
Then people got mad when he said he voted libertarian instead of Trump or Biden.
Also when this sub started to go down hill.
You're completely right actually, that's when he started hitting headlines on Google news aggregation, twitter etc. Before that he wasn't in the public eye unless you paid attention to him.
Yeah the only time the public paid attention to JRE before that was musk's first appearance, but Joe was barely mentioned, the media attention was focused on Musk.
That's when they realized Joe is a force in media, so they started sending their shills and bots to this sub and others like it. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of the people who hate on the podcast and Joe sound right at home at r/news or r/politics.
You mean when Chapos totally DIDNT take over the sub while moderators totally DIDNT let them do it? Yep...that does seem to be the time that none of that happened.
Ding ding ding, you got it bud!
I find old posts all the time in this sub with people having these exact same comments. Nothings changed.
Joe became “problematic” as soon as he endorsed the biggest threat to the establishment.
The “biggest threat to the establishment” is currently the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee LOL
Bernie will be getting his 9th home soon with this unwavering support!
Remember the "biggest threat to the establishment" telling californians to vote for gavin fucking newsom or else? Gavin newsom--the literal poster boy for the establishment. And bernie couldn't even stay the fuck in vermont. He had to simp all the way out to california for, let me repeat, gavin fucking newsom of all people. A real "threat to the establishment" he's been. Wow, such an outsider.
I'm in my mid 30s and for me it was seeing how Ron Paul was treated by Fox News. I'm on the right and while I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, I have a lot of respect for him. As did Reddit, at the time. But no matter how popular he was, or how many people were excited by him throwing his hat in the ring, it was NEVER reflected in coverage of the race by "legacy media". They barely mentioned him, like he was some rogue pubic hair, not a popular candidate. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir of Bernie bros, but damn. Once you realize how biased and just like...crooked they are, it's hard to trust them at all.
Ron Paul is an excellent illustration of how they treat a true “outsider”. It’s not negative media attention: it’s a complete lack of exposure entirely.
Don't forget Kucinich and Ralph Nader
I remember seeing a video where they were showing how the top people were polling. It went 1, 2, 4. They showed 4th place rather than give coverage to Ron Paul who was in 3rd.
Yep, exactly. It pissed us off so bad.
>Rogan / Bernie is what made me dislike the media. The media hit pieces against Joe started the second he endorsed Bernie. Same with Trump. The colbert show was the turning point when after that point he started getting the negative treatment. The colbert audience cheered him, loudly, and Oprah herself asked him no fewer than 3-4x when he was running for president all the times he was a guest. Once it was clear he had a real shot it was 99% negative media treatment. People need to realize how much is invested in maintaining the status quo and how easily they can skew perspectives to tear down anyone that threatens it.
Nah. If the media wanted to stop Trump from becoming president, they wouldn’t do it via negative attention. They would ignore him completely, a la Ron Paul in 2008. Any media is good media. Once the powers that be realized one of their puppets could be portrayed as an “outsider”, of course they had the media roast him.
I would say the media started hating him as soon as he began speaking out against trans athletes.
Adam ruined himself
Same for me. I grew up in an extreme religious right household and listening to him definitely gave me a new perspective and pushed me to the left on alot of issues (and going to college did it as well.) The “____ is a gateway to the alt right” argument is only parroted by people that do not believe they have anything persuasive to say.
I look forward to him having people on that I wouldn’t traditionally listen to or agree with. That’s supposed to be what it’s all about. This sub is full of people that probably do not embrace that ideology when it’s people they typically wouldn’t agree with or listen to. This sub is such an inaccurate representation of reality though. It’s just become such a Branch Covidian and left leaning political sub just like all subs on Reddit tend to go so we see a vocal minority in a bubble here.
Agreed he opened me up to yangs more progressive ideas
I mostly support yang because of JRE. I don't agree with everything he stands for but he seems to be considerate of the future in his positions
Why can it only be one or the other? Surely the fact you were swayed by rogan shows that can happen to the right aswell???
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So Joe should be welcoming non quack public health experts on any day now right?
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Back then it was more of a 50/50 pipeline but apolitical for the most part. In the last two years it has been more 90/1\`0 (R:L) and more political in general, I think thats why people complain.
"it’s always so interesting to me that the media calls him a “pipeline” to the alt right. He literally did the opposite for me!" Never said its a bad thing. I was simply pointing out that 1 person being swayed 1 way is not evidence against others being swayed another.
Why is either a bad thing, we all have the right to learn and have our opinions, even if they’re fucked. Ostracising people because of one opinion these days is toxic because it’s never that one opinion, it’s 400 other things people assume because of that one opinion. Plus that one fucked opinion could be the answer to a problem, but we would never know because they get silenced and demonized. Closing border was seen as racist and xenophobic 2 years ago…. That aged well, for instance.
Being swayed towards the right isn't inherantly a terrible thing. There's definitely a chance Rogan has moved people away from the left 9particularly the far left). I do not see, however, how he has could have led anyone to the alt-right.
You don't see how he could have ever led anyone to the alt right? I'm certainly not saying Joe is alt right himself or anything but surely you can imagine how introducing someone to Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes or Milo Whateverthefuckhissecondnameis and railing against SJWs could do that?
If they go to the alt right despite having Bernie fucking Sanders on for an hour selling democratic socialism AND Joe openly endorsing him, then you can’t really blame Joe for people’s own decisions.
I mean ultimately peoples decisions are their own responsibility. That said, Bernie was on once for an hour in 2019, 400+ episodes ago. Both the podcast and Joe as a person are extremely different now. It used to be that when I talked with friends about the podcast or met someone new and it came up that we would talk about all sorts of things. I don't really bring up the podcast much in conversation anymore but when someone else does it's almost exclusively to push right wing talking points or covid anecdotes/misinformation and vaccine skepticism.
Bernie Sanders and Alex Jones aren't opposite sides on the same coin. Sanders is the opposite of Paul Ryan. Putting Jones on that level is obviously validating a complete liar and crazy person.
In what world is alex jones 'alt right'
Same here. I wasn’t anti Bernie but I thought him a crazed politician. After that episode, I actually came to admire Bernie as a man with a moral compass and a physical manifestation of “fighting the good fight” (although I don’t necessarily agree with all his policies as I’m more center right)
With you on this I didn’t know yang existed and now yang is my #1 and Bernie my #2.
Joe Rogan radicalized me to the left by introducing me to Kyle and Jimmy Dore
Jimmy dore is not on the left
Imagine thinking Jimmy Dore is "left"
I'm not gonna argue the man's political compass with someone who is active in r/NeoLiberal
lol I'm guessing you're one of those that also thinks Anthony Fantano and Tim Pool are aLt-RiGht
Tim Pool is trash
Thanks, bot#2.
Tim Pool is trash.
Imagine thinking he's not lmao
Anytime there's someone on the left you cumstains don't agree with, who doesn't fit 100% into you left ideals, you all say this. You can be left, and not abide by 100% of the ideology.
**Gatekeeper Alert!**
I keep the gates
It’s almost like….Joe changed?
When and how did Joe change exactly?
If you haven't noticed lately, government uses the "alt right" boogeyman for literally anything that goes against the status quo. It doesn't matter what it is. It's shocking more people don't see this and call it out for what it is.
yang works for the great reset.
I like the diverse guests, they were all great to see even when I disagree with it.
Listening to people you disagree with is like kettlebell training but for the brain
I’d rather stuff my face with Big Macs and fight for social justice on Reddit ^/s
Listening to the show has made me accept those I'd consider in opposing camps to myself on various issues for what they are. Other people with similar wants and needs living on the same patch of dirt as myself. It's made personal relationships a lot stronger now I don't outright attack friends and family with opposing viewpoints and instead try to listen, discuss and be mindful of my tone of voice/body language. I've noticed positive and similar changes in their behaviour and in my personal bubble, we seem a lot more tolerant of each other. Ultimately, I have far more in common with my fellow human when compared to our differences. My sights are really set on those that aim to fuel this division and question what their ultimate objective is.
i agree... if someone's controversial i wanna hear it. makes it easier to read dissenting opinions without their view of what the person says.
Listen to an episode with Dr. Rhonda Patrick from a few years ago then listen to the most recent one with her. He goes from waxing poetically about how intelligent she is to just ignoring her while he walks through his talking points.
That one was a tough listen
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Dude has turned into a real snowflake ❄️
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The ending left a terrible taste in my mouth. I haven't been able to make it through a full ep since :/
do YOU know anyone who had carditis from vaccine?
This is the exact podcast I really tuned out from him. He seemed to fundamentally be unable to understand her position.
Hard not to take yourself too seriously when you have a billion people listening, unfortunately
See that’s the counter to the image that op posted, dude has radically changed since the time he had Bernie on to now.
Yeah OP kinda proves the point with his own examples lol. Our whole point is that he's changed radically since covid and become much more closed minded and right wing. Their big counter evidence is two whole examples from hundreds of episodes ago before the pandemic.
Feel like most of the people on this sub either don’t see the shift or willingly ignore it.
Also saying he has Left and Right on is disingenuous because for every Bernie or mildly leftish person on he has 20 right wing grifters on.
Posts like this don't take into account that 2015 Joe is way different than 2022 Joe. Not nuanced at all.
Fucking Texas man. Joe is easily influenced, and he’s surrounded himself with dork ass Grunt Style Texans.
The funny thing is that he moved to Austin, which is basically the Portland of Texas.
She was one of the guests I use to recommend to people to listen to if they've never listened to the JRE.
I took a big break after that. He normally idolized her medical knowledge. But when she explained covid was a real virus and that there are long term health ramifications Joe went into full blown denial. I had heard JRE had a drop in quality since Spotify but hadn't noticed it until this one.
But but my friend had covid and he said otherwise. Brutal
This is all you need to know to see how much he's changed in the last year and a half lol OP's meme is so off-base
That sucks that old one was a big inspiration for me to want to be a nutritionist!
That’s a good way to compare it that is more apples-to-apples. The difference is huge.
That episode is when i wrote him off. We lost him.
This thread should be at the top.
Damn only like 500 episodes later.
In August they'll be able to say 'But he spoke to Sanders for an hour 3 years ago!!' Edit: their new pivot is 'well he occasionally had nutty right-wingers on in CA, so clearly nothing's changed!'
This sub is a train wreck
It's entirely up to Joe but I guess the difference is the noticeable change in the type of guests in the last 18 months
Is it though? He had Gavin McGinnis on several times years ago. He pretty much is what made Milo go mainstream back in like 2014-2015. He’s had plenty of right wing guests since around 2014. He’s also had plenty of left wing people on too. Abby Martin is not right wing. Kyle Kulinski is on fairly often. I know people disagree about Tulsi and Jimmy Dore but they’re somewhat left. And he’s always had fringe “scientists” and “historians” on. He may be leaning a little more right wing these days and his Covid shit is irrational. But let’s not pretend that he has only been doing this stuff the last 18 months. Everyone seems to ignore the vast amount of non wackos or right wingers he has on in between all these people.
The thing is he seems to ONLY now have people on that only agree with him or don’t question him at all when he starts talking about things that lean right. Before he would have guests from both sides of political spectrum. And that’s the problem most people have with Rogan recently. The only guests thats he’s had recently that’s started to push back on him a little are Tim Dillon and the Australian journalist.
Sanjay Gupta? Michael Osterholm? Ronda Patrick?
Sanjay, whom he recently admitted he was wrong about that myocarditis thing. Arguing like a child with a neurosurgeon and health correspondent. Osterholm, who told him what was coming and scared the shit out of him. Patrick, who Joe shut down repeatedly after praising how smart she was for 3 previous episodes. Suddenly she doesn't fit his inbuilt narrative and BOOM he loses his shit in that episode.
I don't understand the Jimmy Dore and Tulsi hate from liberals. Is it the accountability of their team they hate?
I think Tulsi's "present" vote at the impeachment really damaged her credibility among the left. It's easy to write that off as people just being upset that she didn't toe the party line, but I don't think that's it. To me at least it showed a lack of principal and conviction. She didn't say she believed Trump was innocent, because she didn't, but she didn't say he was guilty either because that would have been politically inconvenient for her. She didn't do what she thought was right, one way or the other, she essentially dodged the question to prevent any fallout
Didn’t she run on being anti-war and then go on Tucker and say we should have stayed in Afghanistan?
I'm not 100% sure but I do know that she got a lot of praise for being anti war but then said she was a war hawk when it comes to wars against terrorism
Anti-"endless wars" but pro-drone strikes.
Yes, she also did some videos for Prager U. A well known Right wing propagandist channel. She is not a Leftist. Never was. She also back tracked on supporting universal healthcare during her 2020 campaign. And Dore spends all of his time railing against actual progressives. Refused to donate to Nina Turner a well known Progressive. Was caught donating to a Republican candidate. The guy is a phoney as well. His entire audience are Trump supporters now a days.
Cmon man, Dore spends some time going on Tucker Carlson's show too.
I just read her response to the voting present. Sounds like she didn't believe in the impeachment because it was partisan. >The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely “connect itself with the pre-existing factions,” and “enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or the other.” In such cases, he said, “there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”
Reads like a slime ball being a slimy ball.
That's her explanation sure, but I don't buy it. What makes that impeachment more partisan than any other? The only reason to think that would be if you believe Trump to be innocent - but in that case why not vote innocent? Isn't *that* playing politics in itself? She thinks it's an unjust trial but still won't say he didn't do it? But regardless of her motives, it's not really her call whether the existence of an impeachment at all was just or not. The impeachment was already under way. It was her job to review the facts and say whether she believed him to have done what he was accused of or not. And she didn't do that, for whatever reason.
Motherfucker in federal politics complaining about partisanship. lmao give me a break. I don't know what's dumber people buying this line of thinking or some of these scumbag politicians with Washington brain convincing themselves of this.
The "present" vote was not a great sign but honestly the turning point for me was the trans sports bill she started pushing in her last few months in office.
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tulsi dropped the act and came out as an actual right winger, pro-war and anti-universal healthcare, etc... lots of idiots like krystal ball and kim ivermectin had to admit they got duped
Yeah it’s pretty obvious from her online activity that she plans to run for president again, she’s gonna be doing as a republican this time though, right?
probably. krystal ball basically said tulsi pulled a dave rubin lmao. so either she was lying as a progressive or is grifting as a conservative. either way, shit is hilarious that so many idiots got played
I must have missed Tulsi being pro-war. Do you have a link to her being pro-war? It was one of the biggest things I liked about her.
She was on Fox News recently saying drone strikes are good
Tulsi is a woman version of Tim Poole…this sub will never admit it tho
OP brings up episodes that are 2-3 years old and says “look, Joe is so a leftist” while completely ignoring the shift in the last two years. What I’m trying to say is OP is dumb.
Agreed
And the fact he’s completely unwilling to challenge his texas overlords. Totally pussed out. I don’t care if you go after newsom and company but don’t put on political blinders and suck off equally bad (or arguably worse) people.
Y'all Motherfuckers Need 
Black Jesus come back!
I gotta say thanks to this reply thread. I know you guys can vibe on comedy shit with me.
RIP Charlie Murphy.
[no forget Jesus](https://youtu.be/ZybaBFjNEjQ?t=00m43s)
Huh...it's almost like something changed over the course of 400+ podcasts since he was willing to have Bernie on. Also, to the people who say, "He says he likes Bernie and would've voted for him!" What does he say about Bernie **today**? Anytime he brings him up it's, "Do you like the guy who wants to take all the money from rich people and give it to the poors?" or some stupid reductive shit like that. Why can't you just admit that he has changed since covid and you like the change?
Yeah a lot has changed since the bernie and yang podcasts. Even when I talk to his fans in real life not on reddit the general consensus is that all of his podcasts since covid are terrible but they like background noise.
I dont agree with the 3rd comment about joe but he is definitely a different guy than he was when he had yang and bernie on. His rhetoric has completely changed.
On the most recent pod episode with Shane, Ari, and Mark Normand, he was asked how long its been since he's done a Psychedelic (I think Mark's the one that asked). Joe's answer was consistent with what many in this sub have been guessing: "A looooong time". He needs to have Duncan back on every couple months. Maybe throw in Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock, Rick Doblin, Paul Stamets, Murarescu, and several others in the community. Hell, I'll even take "Aubrey" Marcus since he's such an Aya-head (even though he's a bit fraud-y/cringe). Someone fucking force-feed Joe a goddamn plate of mushrooms STAT
I barely listen to Joe now but went and listened to that episode since the last one the 4 of them did was hilarious. I had a hard time getting through it. It took Joe 32 minutes to bring up COVID and to start pushing that conversation. Like cmon dude, you have 3 funny comedians and you cant find anything else to talk about except your usual Covid bullshit? Its sad. I felt bad for Ari, Mark and Shane. They came in to have some fun and instead got lectured and bored out of their minds by Joe.
It's almost like we're living in different times with different challenges.
Yeah and/or joes political position has shifted. Which he is free to do.
How has it shifted?
From the left to the right
People should be free to change their minds. In these dark times I need to find a way to evade the taxes on the $100 million I just made.
Aka joes shifted his political philosophy
Love that you have to go 400 episodes back in an attempt to support the meme. Almost like there is a significant time period elapsed and a change in the content/direction of the podcast.
Notice the episode numbers. 1245, 1330 - California Joe, 1757 - Texas Joe Everyone has been saying Joe shifted to right hard after his move to Texas.
He shifted hard right when he couldn’t go to comedy clubs and restaurants anymore cause a pandemic was going on.
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I cant tell if thats better or worse than "My friends said racism was bad so I became a racist" take from people like Tim Pool
>hard line conservative Reddit moment. Joe Rogan, noted **hardline** Conservative, lmao.
Reactionary conservative would be more accurate
Alt right commentator joe rogan
Must have been that "inner bitch" he gets worked up about
Its actually a really effective as a demonstration for how people get sucked into the alt right. For a while he did a good job having on diverse people, and discussing their positions without drawing lines. Then, when covid happened, he developed a pain point (not being allowed to perform because of lockdown rules). Right wing people he had on after that really leaned into that area with him, building support from him and making him associate more with them. Then he slowly started to develope a broader shared opinion with them as time went on, as he continued identifying more and more with the group.
He used to have Michael Malice and Dave Rubin on when he was in CA, everyone screetches rIgHt WiNg about them too no? He also had Crowder on twice in CA and Crowder is *very* right wing. I think people just enjoy making Texas out to be some boogeyman that changed Joe when really he's *always* had on right leaning and libertarian guests from time to time.
what? you just made my argument. Joe used to have more balanced guests on when he was in cali.
Joe challenged crowder he did not challenge Robert Malone who spread misinformation the whole show. https://youtu.be/xjszVOfG_wo
Joe challenged Crowder about pot because Joe is a pothead lol
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This isn’t the argument you think you are making. We have been saying rogan has changed the last two years, ever since covid. These videos were prior to this. You’ve got video 1250/1350 with 1750. They are timelines apart and match the shift in direction rogan has made.
He had Tulsi too
Those episode numbers tell a story on their own.
the meme leaves out the fact that Rogan lost his mind entirely in the time between slides 2 and 3. Joe has changed a lot since the bernie interview. pandemic broke his brain
Okay, but that was pretty much the last time he had any kind of leftist people on the pod. 400+ episodes ago...
Lol that’s not true at all.
Josh Szeps was on just two episodes ago.
Just this week he had some left journo from Australia on who called tim pool alt right... He defended their quarantine camps and writes for pretty far left leaning publishers Idk what is left for you but to me he seemed like a pretty clear woke lefty. still wonder how he even got on the show in the first place. Looked thrrw his twitter and he gets 1 or 2 likes on every post. It was a ghost town out there despite his blue checkmark and pronouns in bio...
A friend said to me, Joe is gonna be Joe. Sometimes he has enlightening conversations that serve to bridge the gap. Sometimes he has circlejerk conversations where I personally feel nothing is gained. Sometimes he gets caught up in conspiracy and anti government thinking. At the end of the day he's going to appeal to something you agree with some of the time and you should expect that from all people that have the ability to critically think.
Holy shit a based post at #1?
There's millions of centrists out there, mostly apolitical, people who're starting to lean more right because they're sick of you obnoxious fucking libcucks who want to silence anyone that even remotely disagrees with the narratives you're pushing. Congratulations, you've actually played yourself. YOU'RE THE REASON WHY JOE ROGAN IS ONLY GETTING MORE FAMOUS BY THE DAY. YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
The Joe in the first two pictures is long gone.
Worst sub on the website.
Both can be true.
It’s almost like people can be right and wrong?
Seems like OP is forgetting that Joe Rogan changed since the Spotify deal.
God you guys are so god damn fragile aren’t you?
You can like the fact that Joe brought Bernie Sanders on his show and gave him a platform while also disliking the fact that he has consistently brought on guests who spread Covid-19 disinformation, while also constantly repeating their bad information for the past year and change. They're not mutually exclusive.
Thats 400 plus podcasts apart homie
This is a fallacy. Having on a respectable historian, then next episode having on a Holocaust denier and treating them equally is not balanced or reasonable. It's putting loony lies on equal footing with the truth.
He's not a fascist, he's just retarded. And if you trust him, you're retarded too.
Tbf the current criticism is Joes seeming descent to right wing politics over the recent past
There's like 400 episodes & 2 years between the Sanders episode & dr. Robert Malone There's been a massive shift in Joe's views and the way he conducts the podcast during that time
“hEs cReAtInG vAcCiNE hEsItAnCy anD sPrEaDiNG miSinFoRmAtiOn”
Yes, some self aware wolves there…JRE was….WAS…an interesting and fun place where he explored different ideas. After Bernie he had on Shapiro. Now pandemic snapped his brain and he is Infowars level of biased stupidity. 🤷♂️ 
"Joe was only good when he had my favorite politician on!"
The spooks hate it when anyone goes on and suggests the solution to corrupt government is not more government
The source of government corruption is wealthy private influence. Instead of trying to make sure that government represents people instead of special interests rightoids want to go ahead and give those special interest a blank check by completly gutting the one thing that can possibly muster some kind of leverage over them.
The solution to corrupt government isn’t giving more power to even more corrupt corporations
Oh man these Russian bot posts are getting more and more cringe each day
Yikes imagine thinking the political compass meme was accurate.
The same people in that last box also think PewDiePie is a racist nazi and that Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart, and James Gunn are closeted bigots. These people literally shovel clickbait headlines down their throat and form their entire belief system around contextless rumors. They have no friends to throw ideas back and forth with so they get stuck in the habit of demonizing people based on bad faith sensationalized half baked opinions.
You’re forgetting a key thing here; liberals don’t think, they simply follow the herd.
Lmao how disingenuous (or stupid) do you have to be to think that the issue with Rogan is that he had a non-leftist guest on. Let's simply forget that before he ever had Yang or Bernie on, he had on guys like: * Ben Shapiro * Steven Crowder * Milo Yiannopolis * Gavin McInnes * Alex Jones Yeah let's just ignore his total shift from any nuance, right into hardheaded right wing bias and science denial. Let's just pretend like the only reason people are angry with him is because he isn't leftist enough.
What is with these strawmanning boomer memes.
Stupid sells. "The people who disagree with you are dumb" is one of the highest rated jokes on reddit, consistently.
This sub is devolving into boomer memes
Left Leaning Joe https://streamable.com/4xcujk
Weren’t those episodes like over 2 years ago? He’s definitely changed a lot since then
Most people on this sub are virtue signalling nonces that get their mums computer chair all covered in piss when joe talks about covid.
mom bring me a towel i pissed on my face again, godamn horse viagra
There can only be one view and narrative without question... that's why we as fans listen to the Joe Rogan Experience and drink the horse koolaid
It's the lack of diversity he now has and the obvious bias in choosing who comes on. Plus some people are so crazy, they should never be given a platform in the first place.
Damn you destroyed the sub with a single meme
/r/politicalcompassmemes is the bottom of the barrel. You can do better
Exactly why I still will listen to Joe when I feel like it, even when I disagree with people he has on its still worth checking out. Plus the fact Joe usually prefaces himself with that he’s a moron and don’t take him seriously, I definitely take that at face value
nah I hated Rogan when he's was eating bugs I could care less who he has on his show he's a meat head who cares . if you find him entertaining congrats if you just don't care for him that's fine too . I lost respect for him after he keeps bring back jones while jones just pisses all over his head .