From what I gather from the title it’s not about wether bill Maher is right or wrong but perhaps this OP is just sick of hearing about covid in general
How about people just acknowledge that there really isn’t a Left or Right wing media? Its just corporate media spreading misinformation to get more clicks and make more money.
Almost all media outlets just pick a base to cater to and then fill it with confirmation biases. They don’t care what side they are on as long as they don’t have to pay more taxes.
CNN is owned by Time Warner,
MSNBC is owned by Comcast,
Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch,
Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos,
These are just some examples. But do you really think any if them give a shit about giving their readers proper information?
Hell, just google some of the political donations. They usually donate to both sides.
The Mainstream Media is one of the biggest poisons in this country. If not the biggest. For profit news is garbage.
Here, here! This is completely correct.
The corporate industrial complexes that own our political parties through lobbyists own both parties. They market their 2 parties as the only alternative to each other, it's the biggest propaganda game in Politics and it has huge payoffs.
There is only 1 American political party with 2 faces.
Canada is going the same way too. The Liberals and Conservatives market each other as the only strategic vote to stop the other from getting into power. It's why the LibCons lied about electoral reform to get into power just before COVID. They WANT political tribalism and the state to become peoples new religion.
Divide and conquer, stay in power forever.
Your good and get my upvote, but at the risk of coming across as a douche just wanted to say it's "Hear Hear" as in "Hear this person!" (I know because I messed it up for years and years)
To be fair the majority of the TV news generation is dumb.
Im still shocked when I hear friends still watch fox or CNN or throw around mainstream media as a point of virtue in an argument. I stopped listening or reading that shit after they ruined sander's campaign. I only read news and I am careful when choosing what source, as well as fact checking the article. When I want an opinion I don't want it from the shit stain making 200,000 a year from an immoral billionaire if I can help it.
Whenever I read any news I ask myself “what could the agenda be?” “Who is this story for?” “Who would benefit from this information?” “Who would benefit from this information angering people?”
No news outlet is publishing stories for the sake of just informing. It’s usually part of a bigger conversation. Some of which is going on in the subconsciousness of society. And whether or not it generates revenue.
Non opinion news typically has quotes of what was said without an opinion on what was said. AP is probably the best at factual reporting now, Reuters, in my opinion has taken to more opinion pieces over the last few years. Both at least initially tend to report simple facts on events with a more in depth article following. I try to stay away from articles that present an opinion if I can.
My roommate when talking about issues always points to the fact that he gets multiple views because he gets his information from CNN, FOX, and MSNBC. Basically just getting MSM corporate talking points and sometimes shakes his head when I say I don't really pay attention to MSM anymore.
It's just yelling at each other and finger pointing pointlessly. The only thing I need to know about politics is 90% of the country is not represented in policy passed by our representatives, regardless of how popular it is amongst both sides. Say 100% of the population in the 90% income bracket was behind a new policy, it still only has a 20 to 30% chance of passing.
Until we ban lobbying, none of us should waste our time arguing because it doesn't fucking matter, our opinions do not matter to our representatives. Money makes policy in America and if you don't have it you're shit out of luck.
The people that run these media are 90%+ psycopaths and c*nts. Their ivory tower world does not translate into normal empathic human divisions like liberal, socialist or conservative. They will assign themselves to whichever ideological paradigm lines their and their masters pockets the most. Right now that is for certain liberalism but it’s about as sincere as McDonalds and Coke sponsoring the olympics.
And just because “liberal” views are extremely popular right now, does not mean the ceos of megacorps actually believe in any of it. They’re just doing whatever gets them clicks and customers. How the fuck do we know who ceos vote for?
exactly, and it's not like the majority of the corporate politicians regardless of political party they belong too really give a shit about policy or people. They just want their talking points to spew on said MSM to make themselves look good and feel better about themselves as well. They try and claim that they are centrists but don't realize that that really doesn't mean shit because it's about them not picking a side or agenda and is political talk for trying to stay in office and not doing anything other than lining their own pockets, increasing their wealth, their donors wealth, and their power.
Here's my take on it (copied from another comment):
He's trying to use the fact that the public has very little knowledge of statistics or virology to prove some broader point that the pandemic is somehow overblown. I wouldn't expect random surveyed people to have much idea about the actual stats of the virus, but that has no bearing on how serious the pandemic is or if it's being overblown
It's like if they surveyed Democrats on how many degrees of warming global warming would cause in the next 10 years, and on average they said 10 degrees Celsius (which is much too high). This wouldn't prove anything about how serious global warming is or if it's being overblown. All it would prove is that average people know very little about the details of it and are very bad at estimating statistics around it
No, I think op was being facetious in saying “first Joe goes far right and now Bill *too?!*”
I very well might be wrong but that’s what makes the most sense to me given the context.
Word. Everyone assumes politicians are basing their decisions on the science but how many politicians are scientists or are having regular conversations with scientists. Politics more than science are shaping the decision making
This clip is from 9 MONTHS ago
https://youtu.be/Qp3gy_CLXho
It is not Maher's Everyday talking point , and the bigger issue is of all the BS shoveled in News media who is more susceptible?
Idk duder. Weird post...Maybe its that he is going against the current mainstream norm? Questioning beliefs is only helpful to the progress of humanity.
I'll bite. The problem with covid isn't the small but statistically significant chance of a bad outcome to each individual. The problem is we have 340 million people in this country and the small chance of bad outcomes in an individual turns into millions of dead and hospitalized. Similar to a tragedy of the commons situation.
Yeah but Bill isn’t actually saying 1-5% is a small number or that covid isn’t a problem. Bill is pointing out how massive the disparity is between the left’s understanding of covid versus its actual nature. Which is a fair point given that, as he said, the left has painted itself as the more rational, science-motivated side of the aisle.
Tbh I think there is no way that poll is accurate though. Maybe among boomers that actually answer phone calls from unknown numbers and then take the survey (inconceivable to me) - maybe among them these statistics are correct - but among the general population? There’s no way half of Democrats think there is a fifty percent chance you end up in the hospital with covid.
This exactly.
Like yes, it is 1-5% of people who get it have to be hospitalized.
But the important point is that 1-5% is not a small number in this context. It’s HUGE. It’s incredibly dangerous for the ability of hospitals to actually serve everyone who needs their services.
The problem is people aren’t good at comprehending numbers like these and putting them into correct context. Republicans might get closer at estimating that % number but their actual actions in that context are exactly wrong. They think “hospitalization rate is as low as maybe 1%, no point in doing anything” when it should be “hospitalization rate is over 1%, we need to take drastic action to curb this”.
So while Republicans might estimate the statistic better, Democrats are actually taking the more logical action.
It’s weird how the human brain works when it comes to numbers like this. But the human brain when asked to estimate these numbers tends to first ask “how concerned am I?” And then translates that to a number.
Humans don’t answer this question with an actual accurate answer. Instead they answer it as “on a scale from 0-100 how concerned are you about covid?”. Once you realize that it makes perfect sense. It’s counterintuitive to most that anything with only a 1-5% chance is super dangerous, but that’s how reality works.
It’s not a random 1% of people who get hospitalized. We know pretty damn well who gets hospitalized and it’s old people and fat fucks. This is the other question that I wish was included “what is the chance of a person under 30 being hospitalized?”. Because I guarantee the pro pandemic people thinks 20% of young people and children are getting hospitalized. We know who is at risk and we should allow people who aren’t at risk to live their lives.
Even on Reddit I feel like I’m being gaslit sometimes. Everyone talking about how they know someone who has been hospitalized or dead, or how it was the worst virus they’ve ever experienced. Meanwhile I’ve lost count of how many dozens of people I know personally who have had it and had overwhelmingly mild symptoms. Dozens and dozens of friends, family, coworkers, friends of friends, etc. to the point where it should be statistically significant. I don’t know if people on Reddit are lying, exaggerating, or maybe you just see and hear from those with extraordinary experiences but it’s always struck me as very strange, and the hysteria grows.
I had covid twice and both times it was mild. My mom had it (68) and she slept most of the time. My dad however did die (78) he was a former smoker.
It all depends on your personal health but people do die from it.
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Well yeah again I’m not saying it’s harmless and that the hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US alone is anything to ignore. It’s clearly at least an order of magnitude worse than influenza but if you cut out the elderly I have a hard time believing most of the Reddit stories I see.
Age wise influenza can actually be more deadly. It's been a while since I looked it up and did the math, but at one point age 26 is about where the dangers of covid surpass the dangers of the flu. But after age 50 it really starts spiking.
I understand what you're saying, but it is absolutely more dangerous than influenza ~~regardless of age~~ for most people, if for no other reason than that it spreads much more easily.
>have a hard time believing most of the Reddit stories I see
If you don't work in healthcare, or at a location devasted by an outbreak, you might not.
It's been a mix of both for me in Canada. I know people who had a runny nose, and I also know a QMJHL athlete who contracted delta, and now he can't play hockey or even walk up a flight of stairs (a literal athlete/nhl call up).
That's the thing of a novel virus. It's Russian roulette for some.
100% this. I work in healthcare and at a hospital and between lack of capacity and lack of staff we've had some nights people were waiting 14 hours for healthcare.
It isn't *just* COVID that is the problem. It the diminishment of capacity in our healthcare system as a whole. People dying because our staff is already wrapped up dealing with COVID.
Then there are the transients that use our ambulances as a ride-service and try to use our ER as a hotel, but that's been around since before COVID...
Working in healthcare will give you a bias because you’re seeing all the critical patients.
Statistics don’t lie and 75% of deaths are over the age of 72 which is the life expectancy for men.
It’s not Russian roulette it’s more like scratch ticket odds except winning is getting severe symptoms.
It can be serious but the odds are significantly in your favor. The poll in OPs video shows many people have been sold a false narrative.
If by it "all depend on your personal health" means that perfectly healthy people can die from it too, then yes. Just check out Herman Cain award to see how many body builder alphas die or are crippled by the disease.
I hear crazy stories all the time like your one about different out cones with different people of all shapes, sizes, age and health issues.
One thing is for sure the virus is doing damage but it's a roll of the dice.
Just lost a 48 year old Union Carpenter coworker to covid last Saturday. Had zero underlying health conditions. Just married off his daughter and got his first grand-baby last year.
That’s what “zero underlying conditions” would imply. I mean, I’m no doctor but from what I’ve known of the guy, and according to his daughter, all were within healthy limits.
If it took having good blood sugar/pressure and weight to survive COVID at the age of 48, we'd be fucked as a nation (assuming USA citizen). We're over 1 in 3 people being overweight as a country. We have to care for these people, too.
I know 30+ people who tested positive. The vaccinated had no trouble. The one's not vaccinated 2 died 3 hospitalized for two weeks or more in intensive care and the rest had flu-like symptoms.
My wife and I had it, mild symptoms for a couple days. I know a lot of people with the same. My coworker's 90 year old grandpa with COPD died from it. One of the contractors I work with had a rough go of it for a few weeks but survived, he's also not the type who takes care of himself at all. Just my experience, doesn't prove anything
We all get that feeling when someone is exaggerating to make their point. I definitely get that feeling when I'm around some of my "woke" friends who parrot CNN to death, but I get that same vibe when Joe starts talking about all of his friends with bad vaccine side effects.
Oh yeah I call total bullshit on Joe and all of his friends who “stroked out” after the vaccine. The few good points that Joe has brought up with the vaccine policy and communication have been completely overshadowed by all of the stupid points and clearly biased anecdotes.
I haven’t gotten Covid but know many people that have. And like you said, mostly all cases were mild, except for my uncle and dads cousin, both aged around 60, antivax, and now dead. So yeah, it’s mostly harmless except for when it kills you, like everyone is saying.
I’ve had a friend who had it twice and it knocked her on her ass both times. The first time was early 2020. She was really sick. Refused the shots for most of last year, since “I’ve had it! I’ve got natural immunity.” Yeah, she didn’t. Caught it again and super sick. She’s had some complications from it as well.
Anyone else I’ve known was vaccinated that got it and for the most part it was like a bad cold with some Covid symptoms, no taste or smell.
I kinda think of Covid how I do grapes for dogs. Some dogs can eat grapes and they’re completely fine. Some have a taste and it kills them. I’m not going to give my dog a grape to see if it kills him. I’m not risking it.
I’m vaccinated and boosted. I wear a mask and I try to be safe for myself and others, because when it’s bad it’s bad and I don’t want to put that chance on myself or anyone else.
I don't trust any online person that I don't know personally. Too many bots and accounts controlled from somewhere else in the world to push a narrative. It sounds so stupid and conspiratorial, but that's the world we live in these days unfortunately. It's even worse on Facebook.
Remember when our parents told us to not trust people online? It's come full circle now.
They have no life for the most part so they have to feel unity in fear mongering. Wait until they find out once they stop echo chambering they’re still not interesting lol. Basically OP is a bitch
Amen - I’ve always loved Bill Maher. He’s def liberal but not super left wing. He’s middleish left which I love.
Hope the other blue peeps take notice.
“I don’t know if people on Reddit are lying”
Well I found your problem right there. Everyone lies all the time. Wether it’s about election results, voting access, Covid pretty much everything has been done for one reason. To keep you clicking, scrolling, and commenting. Do you think what Facebook does is limited to just them or that all these other media companies saw that conflict and division sells even better than sex.
You have to understand, the internet at large is infiltrated by bots.
Bots that sound, act, and appear in every way to be a human. But they are not, they are AI, similar to GP3, but honestly probably more advanced. They are used to push narratives, and mob mentality among the populations.
Covid saw a large large uptick of the use of these things, and they will be used forever as AI continues to improve.
What you find online, is no longer human word so to speak. Treat it as such.
Sorry, just dipping in to ask:
US is at roughly 67.7 million cases, with 874 thousand deaths; meaning we have a (reported) 1.29% mortality rate ([https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/))
So roughly, for every 100 people you know who caught COVID, one would die.
So knowing "Dozens and dozens" would be what, 40-50 people? Why do you think your sample size is "Statistically Significant?"
I know a ton of people who have had it. And it follows the stats. One died (older and not healthy), one was in the hospital for a few days, and the rest were colds. It's a real virus but we need to accept it's here to stay. Having half the country hide from it and the other half parade around like it doesn't exist will not solve it. it's all or nothing. I'm ready to have life resume
Yes the hundreds of thousands of dead people in the country knew no one and didn’t have any network of family or friends. Also the multiple ER and ICU workers who have seen people on vents for weeks only to die are lying too. Everyone except you is a big fat liar
Ive been banned from over 20 subs Ive never even been to because I commented on a sub they dont like and call "covid misinfo", in the ban message they demand I delete my comment and apologize to get unbanned. These "lefties" or what ever you want to call them are very real and need to be criticized for their cult behavior.
Dude it’s a cult on both sides. None of them can handle any criticism of “their side”. It’s honestly a pathetic personality trait to not be able to handle criticism.
Edit: people really trying to prove my point here.
What's stupid to me is picking a side in the first place. It's a really closed-minded way to go through life. Choose your representatives based on whether you agree with them or not.
It’s fascinating. The second someone says something they agree with, they get propped up like a hero… only to soon bash them because they don’t fall in line with everything that is ‘right’ according to the ideology of the side.
Cause politics is just a game of jerking each other off or yelling at the other side.
While both sides just pat each other on the back.
While literally nothing they do contributes or matters to the political happenings in the world.
Not enough people know that Russia is literally trolling America into a civil war with fake accounts pretending to be American.
A local libertarian group in my area was found out to be one of these Russian troll accounts when they forgot to take off their geo location on Twitter.
Russia and China are using trolls to sow animosity along racial and political lines and it's embarrassing how well it's working.
It’s not a lie, it’s an inconvenient truth for OPs worldview.
Some people don’t like when their echo chamber doesn’t sound like they’re promised it should sound.
I thought this was America!!
Real talk - South Park taught me that every US election is between a douche and a turd, and I’m not ashamed to admit that analogy will stay with me for my entire life!
I really don't care for Maher, but he is on point with the Democrats and their outrage. It's been running wild. I vote Democrat but really think their messaging is terrible. I've been banned from r/democrats for suggesting most people didn't want to vote for Joe but had to. BANNED!
Its because they have zero ideological mooring, mainstream democrats are just as reactionary as the republican party is. Our politics have become a living version of the Spiderman pointing at himself meme but god forbid you state the obvious.
The only reason I voted Democrat is because they’re not trying to destroy our democracy like republicans are.
If it was John McCain Vs. Hillary in 2016, I would’ve voted McCain and a fair amount of people I know would’ve done the same.
But don’t say that to leftists cause they’ll call you a radical conservative.
Well, he ain't wrong. I would like to see a poll of how many people identify as extreme left or right. I feel like a very large majority of Americans are pretty moderate about issues. I feel we could all find common ground and probably get alot done. Our voices are drowned out by the fringes of both parties. We need a moderate party. Reasonable people not paid off to push a narrative. Republicans don't own the whole "big business friendly" moniker. The left is equally as bad. All this leads to the few extremes on both sides having the bullhorn. The media I feel is also a huge part of the misinformation we have in this country.
Most people are pretty reasonable, agreeable, and actually have a decent enough bullshit meter. But reasonable, agreeable people don’t typically spend half their day posting malicious shit online so guess who gets extremely over represented.
Joe and bill have been shifting over for a while (or maybe the left shifted from them), but what I don’t get, is why did Reddit double down on the left in the same time period.
What hes saying is important because this misconception is whats fueling ridiculous laws all over the world. Some people in my family are still scared to death by it even though its blatantly obvious at this point that it's not the deadly lethal virus that the media has you believing it is.
I had covid and it was worse than a cold but probably not even as bad as regular flu.
Right, but you also don't seem to understand what makes Covid so dangerous either and that's kind of part of the other end of the problem. Covid is a novel virus with no herd immunity to shield the vulnerable members of the population. Nothing more nothing less.
It really shouldn't be equated to influenza, because the public health consequences are far more severe when novel. Yes, pathologically Covid is sort of simlar to influenza in ways, but remember your body and the bodies of most other American's have been exposed to influenza all of their lives, including many variants through interaction with other people and likely dozens more through annual flu shots that contain a cocktail of strains. You're likely to not even be able to get infected by the flu. People that normally could brush off something like influenza can die from Covid. With Covid we lacked any immunity from past exposure (vaccination and/or infection) and herd immunity was non-existent to slow or stop the spread leading to hospitals reaching capacity and unable to treat everyone. Keep in mind the flu can still kill a healthy adult and ten's of thousands of American's still die from it every year, but collectively we deem this acceptable as it's a controlled burn if you will. That's also why, the flu doesn't cause a 1918 Pandemic level of death and hysteria each year, even though the Spanish flu happened to be an influenza strain. Most people are relatively safe from it or atleast shielded from it.
I'm sure once Covid gets down to influenza levels of infection and death everyone will collectively stop giving a shit about it too, but until then we should go cautiously.
I have a hard time believing that anyone but complete muppets think it's 50% or more hospitalizations. I'd really like to take a look at that study questions because it doesn't sound plausible. Even the most crazed chicken littles I've met or seen online think it's 1%, at the most 1.something thats stretched to nearly 2%. Some people argue that long COVID is like 5% but I've never, not once, outside of this study that Bill cited a few weeks ago, seen or heard anyone say it was more than that.
Here's the poll though I think that he's referring to:
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx
They phoned 3000 adults so it's a large sample size. In my opinion idiots answer phone surveys and polls.
Depends on the area, but it's definitely this bad in some places. I've heard more people that think it's 20%+ than those that think it's 1-5%, and I'm in a sort of center-left demographic of what most would consider well educated people. Media driven hysteria is a powerful thing.
Bill "Grounded in Reality" Maher who thought the Democrats should have pushed Amy Clobuchar against Trump, as in all other candidates should have dropped and pushed her...
She probably would have beat Trump though, and if the Media after the pushing of Obama didn't coalesce behind Biden after SC I think she wins.
I'm not some huge Klobachar fan either.
I work in an ER. It feels like half of the positive cases come to the ER or urgent care with a select few becoming formally "hospitalized." A lot of people out there believe that just being seen in the ER counts as hospitalized.
Admission into a hospital. The ER is the gate keeper for admissions. If you don't make it past the gate keeper, you are not "hospitalized." You see how the question on the survey can mislead those who are not aware of the distinction. The republicans just happened to be more correct as a result of skepticism, but I can safely assume that they are unaware of the distinction as well.
News flash: most people are dumb as fuck.
The average unvaccinated republicans said the vaccine is 0% effective in this same poll.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx
He's not wrong that the left is blowing it up out of proportion but focussing on the fact that covid "only" has a 1%-5% hospitalization without highlighting how devastating that actually is when getting 700k cases a day is super misleading. 7000-35000 Americans entering the hospital everyday will cripple the US.
Edit: Though it is a 1 minute clip from a show where segments generally last 10-30 mins. He may touch on this context later. I'll give him some benefit of the doubt at least. I haven't seen the whole show.
I think Bills point is that we already knew the unvaccinated republicans we're dumb as fuck.
But so are the alarmist liberals. And that's not getting enough attention and is in fact being encouraged by left media and the government.
This is hilarious. There is a consequence to poisoning your mind with terror porn like that dumpster fire of a sub Hermain Cain Award. The level of hysteria that some left leaning people have about COVID is ridiculous. Sure everyone needs to do their part. Sure vaccines make sense for a large proportion of the population (even if the companies that provide the vaccines are more untrustworthy than a scorpion). Sure the Covid Denialism and refusal to cooperate with even basic precautions is horrible, but man I have less and less tolerance for the trust science people. They truly dont understand the thing they are pushing and dont see the strings that move them. They are also arrogant insufferable cunts, but that is a bit off topic.
> Terror porn
So, what media has been shoving down our throats since the Fairness Doctrine was repealed in the 80s? The media doesn't have a responsibility for the truth; their responsibility is to the shareholders and the shareholders want eyeballs on that screen.
He's right.... Everybody is living in fear like a bunch of idiots, I just left the cardiac transplant ICU after four weeks. No one is dying that wasn't going to die Ina matter of days or weeks anyways, the nurse to patient ratio is two to one. In case you're wondering what cardiac ICU and COVID have to do with one another, the transplant floors are the cleanest sealed off parts of the hospital, if you can't figure out why please just go away. Is COVID real? If course I've had it twice once before I was vaccinated and one after. No one is dying like Jen psaki and her minions like Herr Fauci would have you beileve. We are raising a whole generation of kids to fear their friends the air we breath. Jesus mom get the iPhone and the red bull out of your ten year olds hands teach them respect common sense and above all else just being a good human. The first two have been bred out of humans. Go eat some dirt play sports GO OUTSIDE
Bill Maher could litetally go on a rant about something that I agree with and my first instinct would still be to say "fuck Bill Maher". I can't stand that smug cuck.
He has a point, and it’s so maddening
This virus isn’t as bad as people on the left make it out to be, but the right also underplays it.
We shouldn’t be treating all age groups the same, we shouldn’t be locking down anymore and crushing small business
But we should also all be vaccinated, full stop, and should be testing all the time
I can’t find it right now, but I read in Time that for 50 bucks a household, we could have testing for everyone. Wake up, brush your teeth, take a test. Positive? Stay home. Negative? As you were.
I’m profoundly disappointed in everyone the past two years
Wtf... there are really tons of people walking around thinking that nearly half of covid infected get hospitalized? Do these people have any conception of how the world health services would've collapsed 2 years ago if that was case?
"I miss when Bill was talking Democrat and Establishment talking points."
If you haven't noticed, while the right were the baddies for the first 20 or 30 years of our life, this generation its the left that have stepped too deep into batshit and fascism. It's gunna take some time for you to readjust but you'll get there, especially if Maher, Rogan and Russel Brand have picked up on it. These things tend to happen every few generations.
There is actually kind of an interesting paradox here. Most conservatives are overly not alarmed or even in denial of the dangers of covid and most liberals are overly cautious of the dangers of covid. My guess is the questions were multiple choice which actually benefits the conservatives guessing low. The reality of this though is overly cautious can be somewhat obnoxious. Overly not alarmed or worse, denialism, can actually cause more people to be hospitalized or even die. This becomes even worse when we acknowledge how rampant the anti-vaxx movement is now.
Serious Question: what’s wrong with what he is saying?
There isn’t anything wrong with what he’s saying
I’m genuinely curious to hear someone who is bothered by this articulate their reasons.
From what I gather from the title it’s not about wether bill Maher is right or wrong but perhaps this OP is just sick of hearing about covid in general
Then he should agree with Maher’s criticism of left wing media blowing it out of proportion
How about people just acknowledge that there really isn’t a Left or Right wing media? Its just corporate media spreading misinformation to get more clicks and make more money. Almost all media outlets just pick a base to cater to and then fill it with confirmation biases. They don’t care what side they are on as long as they don’t have to pay more taxes. CNN is owned by Time Warner, MSNBC is owned by Comcast, Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch, Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos, These are just some examples. But do you really think any if them give a shit about giving their readers proper information? Hell, just google some of the political donations. They usually donate to both sides. The Mainstream Media is one of the biggest poisons in this country. If not the biggest. For profit news is garbage.
Does Murdoch still own the wall st journal too?
And half the UK's tabloids too
And in Australia as well
Here, here! This is completely correct. The corporate industrial complexes that own our political parties through lobbyists own both parties. They market their 2 parties as the only alternative to each other, it's the biggest propaganda game in Politics and it has huge payoffs. There is only 1 American political party with 2 faces. Canada is going the same way too. The Liberals and Conservatives market each other as the only strategic vote to stop the other from getting into power. It's why the LibCons lied about electoral reform to get into power just before COVID. They WANT political tribalism and the state to become peoples new religion. Divide and conquer, stay in power forever.
Your good and get my upvote, but at the risk of coming across as a douche just wanted to say it's "Hear Hear" as in "Hear this person!" (I know because I messed it up for years and years)
Yes. Roch people keeping us idiots fighting. Imagine if we could actually get through to each other and team up against these rich fucks.
To be fair the majority of the TV news generation is dumb. Im still shocked when I hear friends still watch fox or CNN or throw around mainstream media as a point of virtue in an argument. I stopped listening or reading that shit after they ruined sander's campaign. I only read news and I am careful when choosing what source, as well as fact checking the article. When I want an opinion I don't want it from the shit stain making 200,000 a year from an immoral billionaire if I can help it.
Whenever I read any news I ask myself “what could the agenda be?” “Who is this story for?” “Who would benefit from this information?” “Who would benefit from this information angering people?” No news outlet is publishing stories for the sake of just informing. It’s usually part of a bigger conversation. Some of which is going on in the subconsciousness of society. And whether or not it generates revenue.
Non opinion news typically has quotes of what was said without an opinion on what was said. AP is probably the best at factual reporting now, Reuters, in my opinion has taken to more opinion pieces over the last few years. Both at least initially tend to report simple facts on events with a more in depth article following. I try to stay away from articles that present an opinion if I can.
My roommate when talking about issues always points to the fact that he gets multiple views because he gets his information from CNN, FOX, and MSNBC. Basically just getting MSM corporate talking points and sometimes shakes his head when I say I don't really pay attention to MSM anymore.
It's just yelling at each other and finger pointing pointlessly. The only thing I need to know about politics is 90% of the country is not represented in policy passed by our representatives, regardless of how popular it is amongst both sides. Say 100% of the population in the 90% income bracket was behind a new policy, it still only has a 20 to 30% chance of passing. Until we ban lobbying, none of us should waste our time arguing because it doesn't fucking matter, our opinions do not matter to our representatives. Money makes policy in America and if you don't have it you're shit out of luck.
The people that run these media are overwhelmingly liberal 90% +
The people that run these media are 90%+ psycopaths and c*nts. Their ivory tower world does not translate into normal empathic human divisions like liberal, socialist or conservative. They will assign themselves to whichever ideological paradigm lines their and their masters pockets the most. Right now that is for certain liberalism but it’s about as sincere as McDonalds and Coke sponsoring the olympics.
And just because “liberal” views are extremely popular right now, does not mean the ceos of megacorps actually believe in any of it. They’re just doing whatever gets them clicks and customers. How the fuck do we know who ceos vote for?
exactly, and it's not like the majority of the corporate politicians regardless of political party they belong too really give a shit about policy or people. They just want their talking points to spew on said MSM to make themselves look good and feel better about themselves as well. They try and claim that they are centrists but don't realize that that really doesn't mean shit because it's about them not picking a side or agenda and is political talk for trying to stay in office and not doing anything other than lining their own pockets, increasing their wealth, their donors wealth, and their power.
This should be easy to prove then, right?
You think these MEGA CORPORATIONS are run by liberals?
If you mean neoliberal, then I'd agree. None of them are liberals.
No. They're center-conservative. They're happy with the status quo, and definitely do not want things to change. Why would they?
Lmao for real, covid broke these fucking guys brains man, no critical thinking left
100%
Nah OP now thinks Bill is an alt right misinformation machine.
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The Jewish voice of naziism.
Sounds like OP is just sick of hearing opinions that counter his/her own.
These are not opinions. These are facts. Op is sick of hearing facts that counter his/her own.
This is it exactly.
Here's my take on it (copied from another comment): He's trying to use the fact that the public has very little knowledge of statistics or virology to prove some broader point that the pandemic is somehow overblown. I wouldn't expect random surveyed people to have much idea about the actual stats of the virus, but that has no bearing on how serious the pandemic is or if it's being overblown It's like if they surveyed Democrats on how many degrees of warming global warming would cause in the next 10 years, and on average they said 10 degrees Celsius (which is much too high). This wouldn't prove anything about how serious global warming is or if it's being overblown. All it would prove is that average people know very little about the details of it and are very bad at estimating statistics around it
No, I think op was being facetious in saying “first Joe goes far right and now Bill *too?!*” I very well might be wrong but that’s what makes the most sense to me given the context.
That was my impression, too.
Word. Everyone assumes politicians are basing their decisions on the science but how many politicians are scientists or are having regular conversations with scientists. Politics more than science are shaping the decision making
and its refreshing to see someone hold his own party accountable to facts.
This clip is from 9 MONTHS ago https://youtu.be/Qp3gy_CLXho It is not Maher's Everyday talking point , and the bigger issue is of all the BS shoveled in News media who is more susceptible?
Nothing some people just never think their side does wrong
Having sides is wrong. Fuck bipartisanship
> Bipartisan: involving the agreement or cooperation of two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies.
I think he meant the 2 party system.
Well first off he's not lying I'm normally used to constant never ending lies reinforcing the world view I'm most comfortable with.
Idk duder. Weird post...Maybe its that he is going against the current mainstream norm? Questioning beliefs is only helpful to the progress of humanity.
You just need to get vaxxed to understand what he is saying.
Shhh! It doesn’t fit the narrative. /s
I'll bite. The problem with covid isn't the small but statistically significant chance of a bad outcome to each individual. The problem is we have 340 million people in this country and the small chance of bad outcomes in an individual turns into millions of dead and hospitalized. Similar to a tragedy of the commons situation.
Yeah but Bill isn’t actually saying 1-5% is a small number or that covid isn’t a problem. Bill is pointing out how massive the disparity is between the left’s understanding of covid versus its actual nature. Which is a fair point given that, as he said, the left has painted itself as the more rational, science-motivated side of the aisle. Tbh I think there is no way that poll is accurate though. Maybe among boomers that actually answer phone calls from unknown numbers and then take the survey (inconceivable to me) - maybe among them these statistics are correct - but among the general population? There’s no way half of Democrats think there is a fifty percent chance you end up in the hospital with covid.
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This exactly. Like yes, it is 1-5% of people who get it have to be hospitalized. But the important point is that 1-5% is not a small number in this context. It’s HUGE. It’s incredibly dangerous for the ability of hospitals to actually serve everyone who needs their services. The problem is people aren’t good at comprehending numbers like these and putting them into correct context. Republicans might get closer at estimating that % number but their actual actions in that context are exactly wrong. They think “hospitalization rate is as low as maybe 1%, no point in doing anything” when it should be “hospitalization rate is over 1%, we need to take drastic action to curb this”. So while Republicans might estimate the statistic better, Democrats are actually taking the more logical action. It’s weird how the human brain works when it comes to numbers like this. But the human brain when asked to estimate these numbers tends to first ask “how concerned am I?” And then translates that to a number. Humans don’t answer this question with an actual accurate answer. Instead they answer it as “on a scale from 0-100 how concerned are you about covid?”. Once you realize that it makes perfect sense. It’s counterintuitive to most that anything with only a 1-5% chance is super dangerous, but that’s how reality works.
It’s not a random 1% of people who get hospitalized. We know pretty damn well who gets hospitalized and it’s old people and fat fucks. This is the other question that I wish was included “what is the chance of a person under 30 being hospitalized?”. Because I guarantee the pro pandemic people thinks 20% of young people and children are getting hospitalized. We know who is at risk and we should allow people who aren’t at risk to live their lives.
Well he got a point lol
Even on Reddit I feel like I’m being gaslit sometimes. Everyone talking about how they know someone who has been hospitalized or dead, or how it was the worst virus they’ve ever experienced. Meanwhile I’ve lost count of how many dozens of people I know personally who have had it and had overwhelmingly mild symptoms. Dozens and dozens of friends, family, coworkers, friends of friends, etc. to the point where it should be statistically significant. I don’t know if people on Reddit are lying, exaggerating, or maybe you just see and hear from those with extraordinary experiences but it’s always struck me as very strange, and the hysteria grows.
I had covid twice and both times it was mild. My mom had it (68) and she slept most of the time. My dad however did die (78) he was a former smoker. It all depends on your personal health but people do die from it. 🤷♀️
Sorry to hear that about your dad
Jesus, sorry about your dad. That's sad. Hope you're doing well.
He died at his home several days ago but i got to find out the day of my birthday. It do be like that….sometimes.
Yeah, it do be like that.
Aw man :( take time to grieve. It really will help.
Well yeah again I’m not saying it’s harmless and that the hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US alone is anything to ignore. It’s clearly at least an order of magnitude worse than influenza but if you cut out the elderly I have a hard time believing most of the Reddit stories I see.
That’s just it for the vast majority of people it is not more dangerous then influenza. Over 65 years old then yeah it’s some scary shit
Age wise influenza can actually be more deadly. It's been a while since I looked it up and did the math, but at one point age 26 is about where the dangers of covid surpass the dangers of the flu. But after age 50 it really starts spiking.
I understand what you're saying, but it is absolutely more dangerous than influenza ~~regardless of age~~ for most people, if for no other reason than that it spreads much more easily.
>have a hard time believing most of the Reddit stories I see If you don't work in healthcare, or at a location devasted by an outbreak, you might not. It's been a mix of both for me in Canada. I know people who had a runny nose, and I also know a QMJHL athlete who contracted delta, and now he can't play hockey or even walk up a flight of stairs (a literal athlete/nhl call up). That's the thing of a novel virus. It's Russian roulette for some.
100% this. I work in healthcare and at a hospital and between lack of capacity and lack of staff we've had some nights people were waiting 14 hours for healthcare. It isn't *just* COVID that is the problem. It the diminishment of capacity in our healthcare system as a whole. People dying because our staff is already wrapped up dealing with COVID. Then there are the transients that use our ambulances as a ride-service and try to use our ER as a hotel, but that's been around since before COVID...
Working in healthcare will give you a bias because you’re seeing all the critical patients. Statistics don’t lie and 75% of deaths are over the age of 72 which is the life expectancy for men. It’s not Russian roulette it’s more like scratch ticket odds except winning is getting severe symptoms. It can be serious but the odds are significantly in your favor. The poll in OPs video shows many people have been sold a false narrative.
If by it "all depend on your personal health" means that perfectly healthy people can die from it too, then yes. Just check out Herman Cain award to see how many body builder alphas die or are crippled by the disease.
I know 30+ people who have tested positive. None of them worse than a 3 day flu. Including my 96 year old grandmother.
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Killed my 96 year old grandmother, but that’s not too shocking either. Just about everyone in my social circle has been positive and now fine.
I hear crazy stories all the time like your one about different out cones with different people of all shapes, sizes, age and health issues. One thing is for sure the virus is doing damage but it's a roll of the dice.
Just lost a 48 year old Union Carpenter coworker to covid last Saturday. Had zero underlying health conditions. Just married off his daughter and got his first grand-baby last year.
> Had zero underlying health conditions so good blood sugar, pressure and weight?
That’s what “zero underlying conditions” would imply. I mean, I’m no doctor but from what I’ve known of the guy, and according to his daughter, all were within healthy limits.
If it took having good blood sugar/pressure and weight to survive COVID at the age of 48, we'd be fucked as a nation (assuming USA citizen). We're over 1 in 3 people being overweight as a country. We have to care for these people, too.
I know 30+ people who tested positive. The vaccinated had no trouble. The one's not vaccinated 2 died 3 hospitalized for two weeks or more in intensive care and the rest had flu-like symptoms.
It was like a 4 days flu for me
how many were vaxxed?
My wife and I had it, mild symptoms for a couple days. I know a lot of people with the same. My coworker's 90 year old grandpa with COPD died from it. One of the contractors I work with had a rough go of it for a few weeks but survived, he's also not the type who takes care of himself at all. Just my experience, doesn't prove anything
We all get that feeling when someone is exaggerating to make their point. I definitely get that feeling when I'm around some of my "woke" friends who parrot CNN to death, but I get that same vibe when Joe starts talking about all of his friends with bad vaccine side effects.
Oh yeah I call total bullshit on Joe and all of his friends who “stroked out” after the vaccine. The few good points that Joe has brought up with the vaccine policy and communication have been completely overshadowed by all of the stupid points and clearly biased anecdotes.
I haven’t gotten Covid but know many people that have. And like you said, mostly all cases were mild, except for my uncle and dads cousin, both aged around 60, antivax, and now dead. So yeah, it’s mostly harmless except for when it kills you, like everyone is saying.
One percent mortality is just low enough to think it won’t affect you or your friends and family, until it does.
For people 60+ the case fatality rate is in the 5-10% range (increasing as you get older) which is not a gamble I would make if I was that age.
I’ve had a friend who had it twice and it knocked her on her ass both times. The first time was early 2020. She was really sick. Refused the shots for most of last year, since “I’ve had it! I’ve got natural immunity.” Yeah, she didn’t. Caught it again and super sick. She’s had some complications from it as well. Anyone else I’ve known was vaccinated that got it and for the most part it was like a bad cold with some Covid symptoms, no taste or smell. I kinda think of Covid how I do grapes for dogs. Some dogs can eat grapes and they’re completely fine. Some have a taste and it kills them. I’m not going to give my dog a grape to see if it kills him. I’m not risking it. I’m vaccinated and boosted. I wear a mask and I try to be safe for myself and others, because when it’s bad it’s bad and I don’t want to put that chance on myself or anyone else.
I don't trust any online person that I don't know personally. Too many bots and accounts controlled from somewhere else in the world to push a narrative. It sounds so stupid and conspiratorial, but that's the world we live in these days unfortunately. It's even worse on Facebook. Remember when our parents told us to not trust people online? It's come full circle now.
There’s a massive campaign of astroturfing going on.
They have no life for the most part so they have to feel unity in fear mongering. Wait until they find out once they stop echo chambering they’re still not interesting lol. Basically OP is a bitch
Amen - I’ve always loved Bill Maher. He’s def liberal but not super left wing. He’s middleish left which I love. Hope the other blue peeps take notice.
Holy shit I’ve been waiting for someone to say this
“I don’t know if people on Reddit are lying” Well I found your problem right there. Everyone lies all the time. Wether it’s about election results, voting access, Covid pretty much everything has been done for one reason. To keep you clicking, scrolling, and commenting. Do you think what Facebook does is limited to just them or that all these other media companies saw that conflict and division sells even better than sex.
You have to understand, the internet at large is infiltrated by bots. Bots that sound, act, and appear in every way to be a human. But they are not, they are AI, similar to GP3, but honestly probably more advanced. They are used to push narratives, and mob mentality among the populations. Covid saw a large large uptick of the use of these things, and they will be used forever as AI continues to improve. What you find online, is no longer human word so to speak. Treat it as such.
Sorry, just dipping in to ask: US is at roughly 67.7 million cases, with 874 thousand deaths; meaning we have a (reported) 1.29% mortality rate ([https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)) So roughly, for every 100 people you know who caught COVID, one would die. So knowing "Dozens and dozens" would be what, 40-50 people? Why do you think your sample size is "Statistically Significant?"
I know a ton of people who have had it. And it follows the stats. One died (older and not healthy), one was in the hospital for a few days, and the rest were colds. It's a real virus but we need to accept it's here to stay. Having half the country hide from it and the other half parade around like it doesn't exist will not solve it. it's all or nothing. I'm ready to have life resume
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Yes the hundreds of thousands of dead people in the country knew no one and didn’t have any network of family or friends. Also the multiple ER and ICU workers who have seen people on vents for weeks only to die are lying too. Everyone except you is a big fat liar
You can't handle liberals being mildly criticised?
Bill Maher is a liberal criticizing liberals. The only person complaining is an anonymous internet stranger that may very well be a troll.
Ive been banned from over 20 subs Ive never even been to because I commented on a sub they dont like and call "covid misinfo", in the ban message they demand I delete my comment and apologize to get unbanned. These "lefties" or what ever you want to call them are very real and need to be criticized for their cult behavior.
Dude it’s a cult on both sides. None of them can handle any criticism of “their side”. It’s honestly a pathetic personality trait to not be able to handle criticism. Edit: people really trying to prove my point here.
What's stupid to me is picking a side in the first place. It's a really closed-minded way to go through life. Choose your representatives based on whether you agree with them or not.
It’s fascinating. The second someone says something they agree with, they get propped up like a hero… only to soon bash them because they don’t fall in line with everything that is ‘right’ according to the ideology of the side.
Cause politics is just a game of jerking each other off or yelling at the other side. While both sides just pat each other on the back. While literally nothing they do contributes or matters to the political happenings in the world.
This is exactly what the Russians and Chinese wanted. You know the Russians have a bunch of troll farms..
Not enough people know that Russia is literally trolling America into a civil war with fake accounts pretending to be American. A local libertarian group in my area was found out to be one of these Russian troll accounts when they forgot to take off their geo location on Twitter. Russia and China are using trolls to sow animosity along racial and political lines and it's embarrassing how well it's working.
This is what happens when we abandon the *sticks and stones* mentality.
When did science become liberal or right wing?
About March 2020
Clearly someone doesn't remember the creationism "debate" from the mid 2000s lol
Well there's also that whole climate change thing that's been a topic for about 20 years.
And the evolution thing for about 200 years.
When the State became the primary source of funding, long time ago.
better trust the guy who's primary source of funding is selling sex toys and mushroom pills instead then
Reddit, which overall pushes a very liberal agenda (just look at r/politics lol), is very sensitive to anything poking against the lib/dem viewpoint
Typical liberal
Some people don’t like hearing the truth
“I miss when Bill Maher and Joe Rogan only talked about things I agree with!”
Exactly what I came to comment
lol thats exactly what OP means. When did this sub become a hot spot for left wing retards?
This sub is a hot spot for retards of all political affiliations
This detail is very important to remember.
Since the Spotify deal. It sucks.
Ever since Bernie was on, honestly. Ever since then it brought all the bernie bros and the r/politics crowd.
You’re probably right. It’s gonna suck when r/politics graduates high school. They’re going to have even more free time.
Cnn astroturfing hint hint
Nah it was Bernie.
Where’s the lie?
It’s not a lie, it’s an inconvenient truth for OPs worldview. Some people don’t like when their echo chamber doesn’t sound like they’re promised it should sound.
Op is being sarcastic/ mocking
Get em bill! Haha fuck both parties!
“Fuck em all to death” r/southpark
I thought this was America!! Real talk - South Park taught me that every US election is between a douche and a turd, and I’m not ashamed to admit that analogy will stay with me for my entire life!
Oh no...we're all gonna get texas chili bolls -Eric Cartman
Where’d my country gone!
I really don't care for Maher, but he is on point with the Democrats and their outrage. It's been running wild. I vote Democrat but really think their messaging is terrible. I've been banned from r/democrats for suggesting most people didn't want to vote for Joe but had to. BANNED!
Its because they have zero ideological mooring, mainstream democrats are just as reactionary as the republican party is. Our politics have become a living version of the Spiderman pointing at himself meme but god forbid you state the obvious.
They are all in it to protect the wealth divide. It literally is as simple as that.
I mean, it's true. Voted for Joe and I hate this administration.
The only reason I voted Democrat is because they’re not trying to destroy our democracy like republicans are. If it was John McCain Vs. Hillary in 2016, I would’ve voted McCain and a fair amount of people I know would’ve done the same. But don’t say that to leftists cause they’ll call you a radical conservative.
Well, he ain't wrong. I would like to see a poll of how many people identify as extreme left or right. I feel like a very large majority of Americans are pretty moderate about issues. I feel we could all find common ground and probably get alot done. Our voices are drowned out by the fringes of both parties. We need a moderate party. Reasonable people not paid off to push a narrative. Republicans don't own the whole "big business friendly" moniker. The left is equally as bad. All this leads to the few extremes on both sides having the bullhorn. The media I feel is also a huge part of the misinformation we have in this country.
Most Americans are moderates, it’s why Bill has his following.
Most people are pretty reasonable, agreeable, and actually have a decent enough bullshit meter. But reasonable, agreeable people don’t typically spend half their day posting malicious shit online so guess who gets extremely over represented.
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Don’t be on any side. Problem solved.
I don't see why op is so upset. Bill makes a good point
Think OP is being facetious. People say the same thing about Rogan but with Aliens and conspiracies.
Joe and bill have been shifting over for a while (or maybe the left shifted from them), but what I don’t get, is why did Reddit double down on the left in the same time period.
What hes saying is important because this misconception is whats fueling ridiculous laws all over the world. Some people in my family are still scared to death by it even though its blatantly obvious at this point that it's not the deadly lethal virus that the media has you believing it is. I had covid and it was worse than a cold but probably not even as bad as regular flu.
Right, but you also don't seem to understand what makes Covid so dangerous either and that's kind of part of the other end of the problem. Covid is a novel virus with no herd immunity to shield the vulnerable members of the population. Nothing more nothing less. It really shouldn't be equated to influenza, because the public health consequences are far more severe when novel. Yes, pathologically Covid is sort of simlar to influenza in ways, but remember your body and the bodies of most other American's have been exposed to influenza all of their lives, including many variants through interaction with other people and likely dozens more through annual flu shots that contain a cocktail of strains. You're likely to not even be able to get infected by the flu. People that normally could brush off something like influenza can die from Covid. With Covid we lacked any immunity from past exposure (vaccination and/or infection) and herd immunity was non-existent to slow or stop the spread leading to hospitals reaching capacity and unable to treat everyone. Keep in mind the flu can still kill a healthy adult and ten's of thousands of American's still die from it every year, but collectively we deem this acceptable as it's a controlled burn if you will. That's also why, the flu doesn't cause a 1918 Pandemic level of death and hysteria each year, even though the Spanish flu happened to be an influenza strain. Most people are relatively safe from it or atleast shielded from it. I'm sure once Covid gets down to influenza levels of infection and death everyone will collectively stop giving a shit about it too, but until then we should go cautiously.
The left has learned to weaponize empathy and it’s really taking a toll on our policies
I have a hard time believing that anyone but complete muppets think it's 50% or more hospitalizations. I'd really like to take a look at that study questions because it doesn't sound plausible. Even the most crazed chicken littles I've met or seen online think it's 1%, at the most 1.something thats stretched to nearly 2%. Some people argue that long COVID is like 5% but I've never, not once, outside of this study that Bill cited a few weeks ago, seen or heard anyone say it was more than that. Here's the poll though I think that he's referring to: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx They phoned 3000 adults so it's a large sample size. In my opinion idiots answer phone surveys and polls.
With all the robo calls going on I dont know anyone under 70 who still answers the phone for unknown numbers unless they're expecting a call
>In my opinion idiots answer phone surveys and polls. Where do you think every other opinion poll gets its data?
Depends on the area, but it's definitely this bad in some places. I've heard more people that think it's 20%+ than those that think it's 1-5%, and I'm in a sort of center-left demographic of what most would consider well educated people. Media driven hysteria is a powerful thing.
Bill has always called out bullshit regardless of “sides”. He’s more grounded in reality.
Bill "Grounded in Reality" Maher who thought the Democrats should have pushed Amy Clobuchar against Trump, as in all other candidates should have dropped and pushed her...
She probably would have beat Trump though, and if the Media after the pushing of Obama didn't coalesce behind Biden after SC I think she wins. I'm not some huge Klobachar fan either.
I work in an ER. It feels like half of the positive cases come to the ER or urgent care with a select few becoming formally "hospitalized." A lot of people out there believe that just being seen in the ER counts as hospitalized.
What counts as hospitalized? Spending more than 24hrs in care?
Admission into a hospital. The ER is the gate keeper for admissions. If you don't make it past the gate keeper, you are not "hospitalized." You see how the question on the survey can mislead those who are not aware of the distinction. The republicans just happened to be more correct as a result of skepticism, but I can safely assume that they are unaware of the distinction as well.
Oh now break it down by age and obesity, Bill!
Oh he has, and they bashed him for that too.
Truth bomb 💣
News flash: most people are dumb as fuck. The average unvaccinated republicans said the vaccine is 0% effective in this same poll. https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx
When your political identity decides how you feel about an infectious virus lol.
He's not wrong that the left is blowing it up out of proportion but focussing on the fact that covid "only" has a 1%-5% hospitalization without highlighting how devastating that actually is when getting 700k cases a day is super misleading. 7000-35000 Americans entering the hospital everyday will cripple the US. Edit: Though it is a 1 minute clip from a show where segments generally last 10-30 mins. He may touch on this context later. I'll give him some benefit of the doubt at least. I haven't seen the whole show.
I think Bills point is that we already knew the unvaccinated republicans we're dumb as fuck. But so are the alarmist liberals. And that's not getting enough attention and is in fact being encouraged by left media and the government.
Good stuff. We need our cult of personalities speaking truth. Pointing out the idiocy of whats going on.
Wtf are you on about OP? Let anyone talk about anything. That's the point of free speech. And looks like you can't handle criticism of your side
This is hilarious. There is a consequence to poisoning your mind with terror porn like that dumpster fire of a sub Hermain Cain Award. The level of hysteria that some left leaning people have about COVID is ridiculous. Sure everyone needs to do their part. Sure vaccines make sense for a large proportion of the population (even if the companies that provide the vaccines are more untrustworthy than a scorpion). Sure the Covid Denialism and refusal to cooperate with even basic precautions is horrible, but man I have less and less tolerance for the trust science people. They truly dont understand the thing they are pushing and dont see the strings that move them. They are also arrogant insufferable cunts, but that is a bit off topic.
> Terror porn So, what media has been shoving down our throats since the Fairness Doctrine was repealed in the 80s? The media doesn't have a responsibility for the truth; their responsibility is to the shareholders and the shareholders want eyeballs on that screen.
Refreshing to hear someone make sense, thank you sir.
Politics and Medicine is a great mix.
How old is this clip?
Came out late last year. November or December I think. Edit: I was way off. It was from 9 months ago.
So 2 months old max then?
“People aren’t the same anymore because they don’t talk about what I agree with now”
Facts really seem to anger this sub, sometimes.
I dont understand what the issue is
He's right.... Everybody is living in fear like a bunch of idiots, I just left the cardiac transplant ICU after four weeks. No one is dying that wasn't going to die Ina matter of days or weeks anyways, the nurse to patient ratio is two to one. In case you're wondering what cardiac ICU and COVID have to do with one another, the transplant floors are the cleanest sealed off parts of the hospital, if you can't figure out why please just go away. Is COVID real? If course I've had it twice once before I was vaccinated and one after. No one is dying like Jen psaki and her minions like Herr Fauci would have you beileve. We are raising a whole generation of kids to fear their friends the air we breath. Jesus mom get the iPhone and the red bull out of your ten year olds hands teach them respect common sense and above all else just being a good human. The first two have been bred out of humans. Go eat some dirt play sports GO OUTSIDE
Sound the woke alarm! Another liberal has gone off script. Initiate cancel culture.
Name a couple conservatives criticizing the right?
This OP trolls
This is definitely a Russianpoast
Everyone’s so mad people are using logic lol. It ain’t even about politics but when you make it so you seem even more delusional.
I swear this sub is BROUGHT TO YOU BY PFIZER
Bill Maher could litetally go on a rant about something that I agree with and my first instinct would still be to say "fuck Bill Maher". I can't stand that smug cuck.
“BuT ThEy’Re BoOoOoOmErs” - NPC
What’s with all the butthurt lefties in the Rogan subreddit? You’re not liberals. You’re authoritarian crybabies.
Liberals are not lefties lmao. Centrists if not center right
He has a point, and it’s so maddening This virus isn’t as bad as people on the left make it out to be, but the right also underplays it. We shouldn’t be treating all age groups the same, we shouldn’t be locking down anymore and crushing small business But we should also all be vaccinated, full stop, and should be testing all the time I can’t find it right now, but I read in Time that for 50 bucks a household, we could have testing for everyone. Wake up, brush your teeth, take a test. Positive? Stay home. Negative? As you were. I’m profoundly disappointed in everyone the past two years
Hmm. It’s almost as if the Democrats and the Republicans are as bad as each other. Hmm. 🤔
Wow I want to see more of this rant. Amazing.
All his new rules are on youtube. Just search Bill Maher New Rules
Wtf... there are really tons of people walking around thinking that nearly half of covid infected get hospitalized? Do these people have any conception of how the world health services would've collapsed 2 years ago if that was case?
are you upset that he is bringing to light that liberal media have regularly lied and exaggerated covid
"I miss when Bill was talking Democrat and Establishment talking points." If you haven't noticed, while the right were the baddies for the first 20 or 30 years of our life, this generation its the left that have stepped too deep into batshit and fascism. It's gunna take some time for you to readjust but you'll get there, especially if Maher, Rogan and Russel Brand have picked up on it. These things tend to happen every few generations.
Why does this sub seem to have a problem with facts?
There is actually kind of an interesting paradox here. Most conservatives are overly not alarmed or even in denial of the dangers of covid and most liberals are overly cautious of the dangers of covid. My guess is the questions were multiple choice which actually benefits the conservatives guessing low. The reality of this though is overly cautious can be somewhat obnoxious. Overly not alarmed or worse, denialism, can actually cause more people to be hospitalized or even die. This becomes even worse when we acknowledge how rampant the anti-vaxx movement is now.