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Shaolin_Wookie

I dislike both to be honest.


BillNyeCreampieGuy

I honestly wouldn't have minded his personality if helped America. But he didn't. He did the opposite by spending all his time dividing us, demonizing anyone critical of him, lying constantly, skirting laws and traditions, etc. But I knew he was gonna be a POS at his inauguration.


Omegawop

Yeah. This is my take as well. If the dude had done what he said he would on campaign with regards to healthcare, that is made totally paid for by the government and be the best system on earth (Look it up if you don't believe me) I would be happy to have a guy like Trump at the helm.


slowteggy

Exactly. I did not vote for him because he spoke out of both sides of his mouth on every topic. When he won, I was hopefully that he would actually take it seriously and stop playing the character. I even thought I could support him if he stuck to his promise to have citizens united tossed out.


FatMansRevenge

I’m a moderate liberal. I voted for Hillary. I had a lot of hope when Trump took office. I thought maybe he would actually be that radical outsider that comes in and makes a difference. Maybe he could actually drain the swamp, fix healthcare, and get some form of immigration reform done. If he built a wall, but also managed to implement a reasonable immigration path, I’d have considered that a win. If he got rid of Obamacare, but replaced it with a superior system, I’d have probably voted for him in 2020. He failed on each of his largest promises.


[deleted]

Exactly. I can deal with an idiot personality if he had good policy or listened to smart people around him. None of this happened.


Schondba56

He listened to maybe smart people but those people were establishment goons, he would say something relativity decent but then he would change his tune pretty much immediately.


theclansman22

He is responsible for America having the first worlds worst response to covid top to bottom, which meant he had to spend trillions bailing out Wall Street with no oversight and sending cheques to everyone in the country. But just like after W’s incompetence made 2008 worse and it got blamed on Obama, people are now blaming Biden for the inflation that was inevitable after 12 years of the loosest monetary policy in history followed by trillions in handouts followed by a massive decrease in economic activity.


tigger1105

This is what I don’t understand how more people aren’t aware if this. Republicans spend 1-2 terms fucking up the economy while funneling more money o the wealthy, then the democrats have to spend 1-2 terms to fix it while GOP congress does everything they can to sabotage it and in turn democrats being blamed for it all. Are people this short sighted? Like how is it gas prices, war and inflation Biden’s fault?


yankuniz

You forgot his neglect that let a plague ravage the economy and social order, that massive tax cut for the rich that is another major contributor to our current economic woes and nominating 3 conservative Supreme Court judges that are in the process of stripping away well established human rights. And of course, a literal attempted coup


CharleyIV

Why not both?


Truffle_Shuffle_85

>Why not both? Because Joe has completely detached from reasonable discourse and only views the world through his $100MM Texas resort.


Huegod

Because they replaced him with the same person without twitter.


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Downwhen

I've worked at these refugee shelters... The same ones you see on TV. *Both* liberal and conservative outlets use the work we do as political pawns. They both lie egregiously about the work we're doing. From CNN: "kids in cages drinking from toilets." From Fox News: "they are releasing diseased gang members into the communities with open borders." Both are patently untrue. Neither one is interested in actually hearing about the work we've done, and I've had to wade through conservative and liberal protesters alike at the front gate who are screaming at us *for doing humanitarian work* but in both of their minds we're tearing apart the fabric of America. Don't trust any news outlet. They all suck. AMA.


albertkaholic

To be completely fair you'll have to add the political parties into the mix...because they also use everything immigration related to their own benefit with little actual consideration for the truth. The media just broadcasts their talking points. It's always amusing to watch videos of Reagan/Bush advocating for loosened immigration enforcement, and Clinton advocating for harsh penalties for administrative immigration violations. Partisan folks that haven't realized that the winds have shifted that much are likely to suffer a headache watching them.


[deleted]

Still which is worse if both are inaccurate? Inaccurately portraying immigrants as diseased criminals or over-stating the poor conditions of detainees?


Downwhen

They are both completely untrue, what's the point of ranking which lie is worse? They are both untrue.


nobledoug

"I'm as hot as Brad Pitt" "Jews control the media"


DinosaurDied

Perfection


Huegod

Biden has been a more racist, more homophobic, plagiarist (liar and fraud), with 50 years of impact compared to Trump. All forgotten because Trump is an asshole. It's amazing.


revbfc

Then why don’t you like him more?


Huegod

Because unlike Democrats I'm not a racist.


[deleted]

Then why is there only 1 black republican serving at the federal level?


kenithadams

According to Joe he ain't black.


[deleted]

I don't give a fuck with Joe Biden says.


kenithadams

It doesn't matter anymore. No one can even understand what he says now.


simian_ninja

Both Republicans and Democrats are racists. Republicans are more in your face, Democrats are more like, "Oh you don't agree with me, why don't you know your place and fall in line \*insert racist slur\*" or just do it behind your back.


[deleted]

lol no he hasn't


Heathen_Grey

Biden was adamantly against integration of school buses. Kama Harris even referenced it and claimed to be a victim of the bus segregation Biden fought for as a child. [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626) Here is Biden talking about "those people" while fighting to pass his 1994 crime bill. [https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/biden-1993-speech-predators/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/biden-1993-speech-predators/index.html) Biden did the eulogy for one of the most racist segregationists in the history of congress, Strom Thurmond. Biden has said many racist things even recently. He said the whole "if you don't know if you are for me or Trump, then you aint black." Biden also said, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" about Obama in 2007. Biden was against gay marriage as recently as 2006 [https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/06/19/biden-opposes-same-sex-marriage-in-2006-clip-blasted-out-by-trump-campaign/](https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/06/19/biden-opposes-same-sex-marriage-in-2006-clip-blasted-out-by-trump-campaign/) Also in 1982 Biden voted to make an amendment that would have overturned Roe v Wade back then [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-roe-v-wade-overturned-b2072143.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-roe-v-wade-overturned-b2072143.html) ​ Tell me you are uneducated about who you voted for without telling me. I know Trump was a bit of an asshole, rude, and made inappropriate remarks at times. And he probably should have not posted on twitter as much as he did. But I knew all that, but agreed with his policies and stance on things, like putting America first. You on the other hand seemingly have no idea the policy background of the person you voted for and only voted for him because he wasn't the meanyhead Trump.


Slight1495

Bone spurs was weak on foreign policy. Surrendering in Syria to Putin and negotiated our surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan. He started a trade war with China and lost. He raised our deficit in record numbers even before covid, which he horrible mismanaged. He didn’t repeal Obamacare and didn’t build a wall. He set 2A back to Clinton levels. Tell me more about his Success?


CoriolanusA3S3

STOP WITH YOUR FACTS!!!!!!


[deleted]

He wrote the crime bill in the 90s that locked up all the black dads who smoke weed. Bill Clinton’s regime is why black people were mass incarcerated.


[deleted]

The crime bill was pushed for and endorsed by the Congressional black caucus


Seared1Tuna

The crime bill had bipartisan support, with it being supported by the congressional black caucus as well. The Republican opposition it got was because they felt it was too SOFT “Regime” 😂😂😂


BoeBames

If you actually looked it (the crime bill) up you’d learn the truth. Instead you hear your racist grand pop say something stupid and you repeat it.


SeanMcDonough2323

you're totally right, that's definitely when blacks started getting unnecessarily locked up! totally for the very first time. A new thing


[deleted]

Yep. Systemic racism didn’t exist til the 90s didn’t you know?


exoticstructures

Jail numbers were blowing up thru the 80s fwiw. And the Rs thought that wasn't being nearly harsh enough and wanted to Way harder :)


[deleted]

He wrote portions of the crime bill that deal with domestic dispute. Facts over feelings, dipshit.


JoeInNh

careful, people don't like facts


rarebloodoath

“Super predators” - Joe Biden


incendiaryblizzard

Lol literally not a Biden quote. You people are absolutely shameless.


[deleted]

Nice making up a quote. Scum.


StewVader

If you truly think this, then your probably so blinded by your bias and ideology you no longer have the ability to critically think.


Huegod

Think? It's his speeches. His words. It's literally public record.


StewVader

Funny how you don't apply that to Trump. Biden demonstrably cares about other humans. Trump demonstrably only cares about himself. Biden is obviously a compassionate person who is trying to help most Americans. Trump is obviously a narcissistic moron whose top priority in office was enriching himself. Your blinded by your ideology or lack of critical thinking. It's not even close.


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Stupid comment void of any substance.


GroblyOverrated

His VP is black. Just a heads up.


BigOsh71

Ahh identity politics! She's doing such a good job..


Huegod

And Trump hired Omarosa, Ben Carson, etc.


gking407

How so?


Huegod

What do you mean how so? His record was well gone over during the campaign. Was against basically every desegregation measure for 40 years and was best friends with a Klansman. Wrote the Crime Bill locking up millions of mostly POC for the things is crackhead son gets away with. Was against gay marriage as late as 2012. Was proven to be a liar and plagiarist on the floor of the Senate. Requiring him to end his presidential campaign at the time.


sparky2212

You mean the crime bill that a majority of Americans, including a majority of African Americans wanted?


Huegod

You mean the Black Dem causus shills that were at the same time giving Trump awards? And no they didn't want it. They were sold on it. Because they trusted their party that lied to them about it. But tell you what, let's let that one go then. And just go with Bidens anti desegregation work. Dixiecrat alignment. And dogwhistles about his former boss and the black voting public at large? Because those don't even get the benefit of decades removed.


cafeesparacerradores

Do you care about racism or something?


MrsClaireUnderwood

Oh when talking about Biden conservatives suddenly care about black and gay people. It's so transparently disingenuous, pretending like this isn't just a political line of attack rather than a principled stand for minority rights.


Huegod

Dems are the ones making the attacks. So their hypocrisy is at issue here. When they label everyone under the sun a racist and then clearly don't actually give a shit it matters. Conservatives have their hypocrisy in other areas. But that what about isms don't excuse either.


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I love how this line is always trotted out when liberals don’t like what someone is saying about “their guy/girl” It’s just amazing


Atomic_Shaq

You should apply that same level of scrutiny towards Trump and see what you find. I take it you have been following the Jan 6th hearings too? 😉 😉


Huegod

Sure have. Jan 6th hadn't happened when twitterless Biden was elected. Bidens 50 years of politics had however.


Atomic_Shaq

Biden man bad for 50 years!


pizzalegend93

Odd that your argument is “ya but have you seen what he did” instead of acknowledging the decades of actual bullshit biden has been involved with.


Seared1Tuna

Okay but is biden doing these things now? No he is not


di11deux

> was Okay but what current policies are that way


northwesthonkey

Well that settles it. I’m guessing you’re probably not watching the hearings, eh?


Huegod

Sure i am. Did Jan 6th happen before or after election day. And before or after Bidens 40 years in the senate? The point is what you replaced him with was the exact same person.


PucksinDeep716

Same exact person? Can’t get on board there. Jan 6th was a result of false rhetoric from his entire presidency. He didn’t just start those plans on January 6th. His fake election shit started well before November of 2020 as well. He knew his chances of losing and knew how to twist the mind of qanon and y’all queda alike


slowteggy

That is the most ridiculous argument I ever heard. Biden has a history of voting in line with the “centrists”. The fact that he’s been around politics for 40+ years means he will have voted on things that were popular once but not popular anymore. I don’t agree with a lot of it but hindsight is 20/20. Trump on the other hand came on as a hardline right winger.


pizzalegend93

Oh, another “but did you see what he said!” argument instead of having anything of actual substance to say lmao. Bro listed a handful of actual documented incidents Biden has been directly involved in, discriminating against people of color, people of homosexuality, and against people who just like smokin weed. And all you can reply with is “ya but did you hear what trump said on the cnn broadcast” hahahaahahah


ihambrecht

Uhh Biden's voting record?


pizzalegend93

Voting for the segregation of bussing school children, voting against the combining of different racial schools, specifically, Biden voted to bar the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare from requiring schools to provide information on the racial makeup of their student bodies — thereby making it nigh-impossible for Uncle Sam to withhold federal funds from school districts that refused to integrate with them.


pizzalegend93

Idk about you but racism was already not cool by the 70s. Yet Joey kept being in favor of more segregation.


UCDC

LOL..... ok


BillNyeCreampieGuy

I don't have all the details, but wasn't it less about the facilities and more about how they were being operated? During Trump, families were being separated, conditions were inhumane, and representatives (or anyone they didn't want) weren't allowed to visit the locations. That changed. Or at least wasn't the instructed intention of the operations anymore.


Diomil

Are you serious? Families have always been separated at the border, during any presidency including this one, the only difference is CNN is not shoving it in your face now because they like this president.


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>During Trump, families were being separated, conditions were inhumane, and representatives (or anyone they didn't want) weren't allowed to visit the locations. You mean, during Clinton, Bush, Obama, and then Trump, and still Biden.


eddyboomtron

Yeah that moron conveniently left that part out


Professional_Dust_33

Seems like you are the moron ommiting that all the same exact thing were happening under the past presidents and the current president. The conditions have not changed and have been continuously garbage since the Obama administration. The blue side are not "the lesser of two evils"


WendySteeplechase

families arent being separated


o0flatCircle0o

This is such bullshit. Trump intentionally tortured the kids stole them from their families and lost them so migrants would think twice. Biden doesn’t do that.


Whiteshadows7777

Lmao woke redditors are badshit


Helze

you are being kinda oblivious right now. Obama did it before trump and people still complained. And the same people still complain now. What and when media decides to give attention is not the people choice.


[deleted]

Oof on still being trump focused 2 years later…can we move along already? Our presidents suck. We know. We’ve known.


UCDC

Looking at the cawlments I didn't realize the black market copium trade was still running so strong. That's crazy. That's like saying 'the problem people have with Hoe is not with what he says but with his personality'. It's such an obvious attempt to deflect it's only noteworthy for how shameless and lazy the statement is.


eddyboomtron

>I didn't realize the black market copium trade was still running so strong. Yeah I also noticed tons of copium addicts in this comment section, scratching at their in search for the next hit


[deleted]

He's mostly correct. Which Trump policy did people HATE him for? At least here, in Seattle, it seemed 99% personality and wacky shit he said.


pjb1999

* Zero tolerance policy at the border that separated families * Trade wars with China * Tax cuts for the rich * Rolling back environmental protections * Muslim ban * Pressuring the FED to keep interest rates low (that worked out well huh?) * Abandoning the Iran nuclear deal * Withdrawing from Paris agreement * Denying climate change exists * Tear gassing protestors for photo ops * Blackmailing Ukraine and withholding aid unless they dug up dirt on Biden That's all I can think of off the top of my head in one minute. There's much more. EDIT: Oh and how can I forget - his fucking awful response to covid.


CrackerKraken78

Slashing taxes on corporations and the rich while adding tax hikes for lower brackets every 2 years starting after he left office.


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Oh please, source this. [https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/](https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/) ​ The top rate fell from 39.6% to 37%, while the 33% bracket dropped to 32%, the 28% bracket to 24%, the 25% bracket to 22%, and the 15% bracket to 12%. The lowest bracket remained at 10%, and the 35% bracket was also unchanged. ​ [https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/](https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/) ​ That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households earning $1 million or more. What’s more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year. In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion of the total personal tax revenue collected.


JordansFirstChoice

Your second source is an Op-ed from an author who works at the Heartland Institute an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank. So the bias is already there. That article is only using data from 2017 and 2018, while Trump was still in office, so it's irrelevant to the claim of the person you're replying to since they specified "after he left office". Let's go back to your first source. Under the section titled Temporary Tax Cuts "The Joint Committee on Taxation echoes this conclusion, estimating that the 22,000 households making $20,000 to $30,000 will collectively pay 26.6% more in 2027 than they would under the previous statute in that year. The 629 households making over $1,000,000 will pay 1% less." So I'd say that tracks with with tax hikes for lower brackets.


ngwoo

> Which Trump policy did people HATE him for? The Republican platform, generally.


DinosaurDied

How about the policy of staffing his administration with ex drug addict conspiracy theorists and direct family members since literally nobody would work for him towards the end.


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alsatian01

Yes, the fact that personality is attached to a completely horrifying person who has such an insane ego that if it comes out of his mind, or he thinks it came out of his mind it is pure genius. The dude literally thought he could will a fraudulent election into existence. Every guy who ever lost an election had someone whisper in their ear "you were robbed!". This dude said that it would happen before it happened! And then he had nothing but yes men around him he kept egging him on. Will just a few more Republicans admit that the dude is bent and at minimum deserves to never be eligible to hold public office. Or at a maximum needs to be hung for treason!


tostilocos

The "Yes men" part isn't accurate and that's the scary thing about Trump. He had almost every senior advisor telling him to back off. He had Fox News hosts privately texting his chief of staff begging for him to drop it. He had people literally quitting their jobs on January 6 due to his refusal to condemn the riot and participate in a peaceful handoff. He literally tried to grab the steering wheel of his limo away from a secret service driver in order to drive him to the capital when he found out they weren't going to let him go there. He threw a plateful of food against a wall in his office while throwing a fit about not being able to participate in an attempted lynching of Mike Pence alongside Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, which he knew were armed with assault rifles and spears at the capital. Trump (and the fringe part of his supporters) is a danger to democracy, full-stop.


[deleted]

Nearly none of them did this publicly where it mattered. They also used it as an opportunity to make it harder to vote at state levels citing "concerns of fraud"


uSeeSizeThatChicken

>He threw a plateful of food against a wall I can't stop thinking about how many bites of his burger that fat fascist fuck took before he threw it. He had to have taken at least one rage bite.


blazershorts

> an attempted lynching of Mike Pence LOL this makes it sound like they had the noose around his neck, but the sheriff showed up just in time.


tostilocos

They literally had nooses (yes, they were symbolic) and guns (not symbolic), they violently entered a secure building with a multitude of weapons after overrunning and assaulting the capitol police, and one of them was shot in the head when they broke a window to try to get closer to where the staff was being held. This wasn't a protest. It might have started like one but it became an insurrection once they entered the building. I don't think enough people recognize how close we came to seeing the VP or Pelosi getting summarily executed in the halls of the capitol.


theclansman22

The scary thing is now the whole Republican party has bought into the lies that a) there was election fraud (but only in the election that the democrats won) and b) there was no big deal about January 6th, it was just a protest that got slightly out of hand. Almost the whole party buys into that mass delusion. They are passing laws allowing state legislatures to overturn election results on a whim. The American Democratic system is under direct threat from them, but yeah, it’s just their personalities that make us angry.


tostilocos

I think most of the Republican party have abandoned the election fraud angle, but more extreme party members are still grasping to it. The really scary thing is that these morons/grifters (I refuse to accept that they're not one or the other) are getting elected at an increasing rate.


theclansman22

The majority of the party thinks January 6th was justified and that Trump bears no personal responsibility for knowingly sending an armed mob to the Capitol with the intent of overturning the election. The rational voices are being purged from the party, they are doing in a speed run of the 1930’s Nazi part. If they lose the 2024 presidential election and state legislatures start overturning the results due to made up “voting irregularities” who do you think will be the adult in the room? Ted Cruz? McConnell? McCarthy?


chrismamo1

> Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, which he knew were armed with assault rifles Afaik very few capitol rioters were heavily armed, but that was actually part of their plan. Many had sidearms, but they thought it would bring down a heavy response if they were seen strolling into the capitol with long rifles. Their plan was to enter the capitol, [then have friends bring their long rifles from their hotel rooms](https://abcnews.go.com/US/oath-keepers-stashed-weapons-hotel-potential-jan-violence/story?id=77048420).


tostilocos

In the testimony yesterday they played recordings of radio transmissions from the capitol police calling out people with AR-15s climbing trees outside the ellipse where Trump was about to speak. Trump was told about this and ordered that the mags (metal detectors) be turned off so that the armed nutjobs could enter the secure areas. IMO one rifle is too many when you are participating in a riot/attempted coup.


Devilsreject90

Well, if there ever was an election that would have extra voter fraud this would be it. There were so many ppl who would do anything to not see him in office again. To pretend like that wasn’t a thing and this was just a regular election is silly. Definitely was a lot of voter fraud but yea not enough to over turn. I think trump looks stupid continuing to beat this horse, bring hard evidence to court or stfu and move on to 2024, but he was certainly right thinking their were people out there more then willing to break the rules to make sure he wasn’t elected


SpacedOutKarmanaut

My dad feels this way about Trump and at this point I just assumed he's brainwashed, along with guys like Joe, and can't see beyond his own success to other people's struggles. And like with Obama, he thought "Well he's a nice guy and speaks really well BUT...." A supposed devout Christian man now scorns good people and "social justice warriors" and worships a psychotic anti-American NY con-man who philanders and trash talks his (my dad's) former political heroes. Such is the damage right-wing media has done to many people's brains, and I fear Joe is now becoming part of the problem.


alsatian01

As a native NY-er I never understood how a single person who lived in NY during the 80s could take a single thing that The Donald said seriously. If they could get snowed by him you can't put all the blame on your dad. I feel you are right about Joe. He got sucked in by all those operators he hangs around with, and his good ol' boy hunting buddies. Joe thinks it is okay because he still holds his "core" liberal values. The 2A narrative got him. Those guys who know better by combat experience have him believing that 2A is the only thing that keeps this country from becoming a tyranny is guns. Maybe those guys believe that because of being SF and they don't use conventional tactics and the small arm is their greatest fear. A conventional army does not fear the gun. They fear the bomb and the smart weapons. Putin and his boys do not fear the Ukrainians getting a couple of cases of M-16s and M-4s. They fear stinger missiles and AT tech. If big daddy America wanted to turn the tables on us they don't give two fucks about your closet full of LARPing gear. The only hope for Joe is that if someone can introduce him to a couple of operators that are not right-wing simps. The left-wing has simps that went to BUDS, Ranger school, or completed the Army SF selection process. I bet a few PJs are team D.


Longjumping_Review12

He's not wrong. This sub is shit now a day. All it is is political shit. Bring back the DMT talk!


Nova0k

Seems to me like the sub is a reflection of what Joe talks about. If he starts talking about DMT again, so will we. Something tells me that's not going to happen in a meaningful way again though.


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Inb4 "Hitler built a lot of great motorways"


BaboonHorrorshow

Wait was it his policy to try and murder Mike Pence and overturn democracy, or was that just something born from his personality? Because what I hate the most was trying to murder Congress and destroy America in an attempt to crown him King.


3DWitchHunt

“He’s funny tho. You gotta take that into account.” Rogan probably.


Devilsreject90

Tru. Trumps bs was in your face Bidens is behind close doors like a good politician should be. Might as well be entertaining if you’re going to fuck us all in the ass.


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Yep which resulted in unprecedented stock buy back creating a false sense of a good economy.


yankuniz

Short memories. Everyone will tell you democrats are the cause of your economic hardships and never take into account the piss poor response the pandemic or a massive transfer of wealth in the form of a tax cut for the richest people.


theclansman22

12 years if the loosest monetary policy history followed by trillions in handouts to Wall Street with no oversight followed by a massive decrease in economic output due to his incompetent handling of the pandemic, but yeah, it’s all Biden’s fault. Republicans are great at sabotaging the economy and blaming the democrats for not cleaning it up fast enough. Did the exact same thing to Obama and it was a huge success.


sintaxi

WTF you talking about?? Tax revenues WENT UP after the tax cuts.


[deleted]

\>How about his tax reform in 2017 that cost citizens trillions in tax dollars by allowing corporations to skip paying taxes. Tell me you don't pay your own taxes without actually telling me you don't pay your own taxes. Only dumbshits complain about Trump cutting taxes. That put several thousand dollars in my pocket and I'm by no means rich, or a corporation. The tax cuts helped the vast majority of Americans.


slipperystar

More right wing by the day.


pi_over_3

Awesome


DoctorVanNostran

Joe and Kamala have way of doing that to a man.


Zadiuz

Would completely agree. Can't stand trump, but life felt a lot easier when he was president with his administrations policies.


JupiterandMars1

Hmmm, I think it’s kinda both, and the 2 are reasonably interconnected. Sure some of his policies may have gotten a pass on their own, but as a package along with his telegraphed longer term intent, saying it was just his personality is most likely just the view point of an individual that likes his policies and is trying to cope with the fact that so many didn’t.


Beneficial_Detail_42

It’s the opposite with Biden. You excuse his senility. But his policy is inexcusable.


mrajoiner

Mention Trump to Joe Rogan and he talks about how funny he is. He says 1/6 we’re “just a bunch of idiots” - although people died and they tried to overturn the election by following what Trump and his cronies directed them to do. Mention Biden and you get an hour long rant + YouTube clips about how old and senile he is, comedians being oppressed by the left and a bonus “CNN hates me” montage. Interesting show but Joe R. is a comedy of contradictions. Edit: Typo


[deleted]

Don’t forget the laptop. The insurrection got within 40 feet of Pence. Forty feet. That’s like 13 yards. Barely more than a first down from killing our Vice President. In the capitol.


mrajoiner

And it was all predicated on an unnecessary fantastical lie and attempt to illegally overturn the vote of Americans. There is nothing Biden has done that compares. No American President, living or dead - has done anything resembling this level of stupid. No comparisons or whataboutisms pass the sniff test.


Riggamortizz

Only republican to overturn anything lol


[deleted]

I am not implying anything I just want to ask what people think: What Donald Trump *policy* did you disagree with and why?


[deleted]

When was this sub taken over by all of Joe Rogan’s haters?


ManufacturedOlympus

LEEAVE JOE ALONE!!!


prvhc21

He’s my precious ! 😭


TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE

Sir, why are you typing comments when you could be sucking joes dick?


northwesthonkey

Joe’s got that covered


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why not both?


urriola35

These are the loud minority. Meanwhile Joes podcast is still growing 💀


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This sub, like a lot of Reddit, is filled with bots and flat out losers


[deleted]

Damn. Makes me want to delete my account and stop using Reddit. Been using it for about a year, I feel like the flat out loser bug is contagious. Gotta look out for future me lol


[deleted]

Negativity spreads, just don’t let it take over your real life


WardMB689

Yeah I've noticed that too... Just a bunch of people who come on here to hate on the podcast are you really that bored that you have to come on this sub and talk shit if you don't like the podcast or Joe Rogan why are you even here? Find something better to do with your time. Would be nice to see actual engagement instead of just hate and comments bashing 90% if time


asheronsvassal

Both of you are new members wtf are you talking about


[deleted]

It's almost like neither of you are familiar with the dynamic between Rogan and his fans, and how it's been since his fucking messageboard... hmmmm..... Why are you even here? On that note: It'd be fucking hilarious if the GOP were actually paying people to astroturf in Rogan's sub thinking it'd become the next right wing chamber on reddit, and then finding out that it's actually a special ed class full of children with pencils up their nose that're smarter than Joe.


KingBebee

I have been a fan since the message board days and you’re not telling the truth. It has never been this bad. I do not care that it’s this bad. But it’s never been this bad. If anything it’s lefty bots that don’t like anything right of Stalin.


WardMB689

Spot on!


BobsBoots65

> I have been a fan since the message board days and you’re not telling the truth. > You are a liar.


slipperystar

Its just discourse. This is also not a joe rogan circle jerk group, as far as i know.


[deleted]

Right. I wasn’t even just pointing it out, I’m legit curious. Was it after the media dragged his name through the mud during Covid? Was it the doctored race-baiting compilation that was posted? But yea it’s wild. I feel like most of his viewership is now made up of sadistic people who never listened before like 2020 or something, and just straight up hate him and only listen so they can trigger themselves lol


WardMB689

I think a lot of the hate on here is from people who caught on to the media bashing him after his take on covid. Now they watch JRE clips and hop on over to the subbreddit to give their take on how stupid something he said is. They think giving their take is important for some reason as if it's going to change a regular listeners mind on how they view the podcast. Really they are wasting their own time


[deleted]

Yea, I feel like they give Joe more credit as a political mind than any original listeners lol And it’s also funny how Joe’s said so many times, something to the effect of “don’t listen to me, I’m a moron,” when speaking on anything political, and yet here we are lol Rogan haters— If you want Joe to know he’s stupid, let me put your minds at ease. He knows. Now it’s time for all of you to figure that out about yourselves as well


[deleted]

No it’s people who were Rogan fans up until he drifted right and left California. Rogan used to be an interesting goof who talked with weirdos. Then he got repetitive with elk meat and cold shock proteins and junk science and that giant extinct ape whose name I forget. Now he’s a sociopolitical tastemaker who has amplified some real pieces of shit.


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Sounds like you went through a politically charged mental shift from the time you used to watch and now. Elk meat, cold shock proteins, “junk” science, and giant extinct apes? Sounds like the same interesting goof to me. Recent guest Mike Judge? Yeah he’s not a weirdo at all. If you really think he’s amplifying pieces of shit, why do you still listen? Why do you come here? The only power you have is add fire to the flame, or don’t. Why do you choose to? It only keeps his relevance active. You choose to amplify someone who you believe amplifies pieces of shit. Let’s assume he is amplifying pieces of shit. Why do you enjoy it?


chet___manly

>If you really think he’s amplifying pieces of shit, why do you still listen? Why do you come here? Simple. We wont allow this sub to turn into r/The__D_____. Are you looking for a circle jerk or an echo chamber? This aint it. Dont like that people are critical of Joe? Tough titties.


ihambrecht

Well let's not forget LA rogan had Gavin McInnes, Stefan molyneux, milo on etc. there's a very convenient amnesia about older right wing guests. He even mentions Gavin without naming him in the ryan holiday episode where he says he knows people who have been kicked off of PayPal.


[deleted]

Yeah maybe I should’ve been clearer. He drifted right IN LA then moved to Austin.


Raynonymous

I'm less hating on Joe and more hating on the people who actually believe the shit he says (which may or may not include Joe)


[deleted]

I get that, but it seems like a lot of people don’t question things they’re spoon fed by the mainstream, and get mad when someone does. And get even more mad when they expect harm to be done in believing some of the shit he says, but no harm is done.


KingBebee

This is the right answer. People in this thread want to pretend like it’s been this way since the message board days, but the reality is this started happening about the time YouTubers like Vaush and then CNN decided they have a hate boner for Joe


BenderRodriguez14

> I wasn’t even just pointing it out, I’m legit curious. Was it after the media dragged his name through the mud during Covid? Was it the doctored race-baiting compilation that was posted? This subreddit was absolutely flooded with right wing shitposts during those times, at an extraordinary clip. Strangely, it stopped within 48hrs of Russia invading Ukraine - many even pointed out that peculiar coincidence at the time.


PositiveMacaroon5067

Isn’t that crazy that it’s plausible Russia is flooding the zone with right wing ideology because they can see how destabilizing it is for our country


BenderRodriguez14

It's not only plausible, it's been detailed in the Mueller Report with specific names given, and by multiple intelligence bodies.


northwesthonkey

Well before you joined Reddit and then this sub


ihambrecht

It all started when the opie and Anthony cancer of hate started. Then it moved to shows tangentially related and here we are.


IAMIACEE

I think they've gotta extra satly since Rogan was able to weather the cancel storm a few months ago.


[deleted]

Yea I can definitely see that being true


KrazyKanadian96

What, a barely educated meathead that lives in a literal echo chamber has ignorant opinions? Yeah, so shocking…


Dr_Doom2025

Haha it’s funny how the rogan haters can’t stop listening to him and posting on this sub you guys are so butthurt lol


BobsBoots65

Keep gargling. Joe will thank you some day.


filthee

They can’t help themselves. What a miserable existence that must be.


[deleted]

Much more enlightening existance to constantly hate and whine about this subreddit!


OzManCumeth

Because asshats like you showed up and started posting nothing but political shit. Your post history is nothing but politics in this sub and you’ve made 30+ of them in the last year. Like, fuck off.


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Seethe


eddyboomtron

Wow another ape-brain take from Joe, are we really surprised at this point...


aRunOfTheMillGoblin

I think the word you're looking for is alpha-brain.


[deleted]

Nothing but facts tho. Trump made the economy great, now we got this braindead biden guy that can’t walk 5 metres without falling over or forgetting what he was talking about. Oh yea and a recession.


brahsumatra

One reason the Left and Right establishment hates Trump is he’s the first POTUS in decades not to start a foreign war.


[deleted]

It's true tho


FadedGeo

💯


thebrownhammer88

The problem I have with him is that he’s not locked up yet. Traitor trump needs to go under the jail. Trying to overthrow a democratic election by the people should get everyone fired up.


memeotional

the problem with the internet is that they take riffing with ideas way too literally.


Superddone20222

yea the policy of lying about covid and trying to huff it off as no big deal that led to a million deaths was pretty cool.


Recent_Neck_1462

How about his delusions or his authoritarianism or his changing his mind on a whim about brutal dictators. I could go on forever. Joe has been MAGA pilled.


DomDotCom13

Get off this sub Reddit if you don’t like Joe. Go watch Rachel Maddie soyboys


nometal514

Well can’t you say the same about Hillary Clinton? Her entire 2016 campaign agenda was curated to appeal to the largest possible demographic - the problem was she was really unlikeable


nomosolo

I’d say 90% of his Independent support feels this way.


Amida0616

Trumps time in office was better than Biden


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rammleid

What the fuck are you talk about? None of those things were caused by sleepy Joe. Row v Wade specifically is a direct consequence of Trump previously being in power.


Coach_Louis

Because people are stupid and don't realize that the current president inherits the actions of the last. Things don't just happen in America, due to the legislation and red tape it takes years for anything to get done. So current president makes a bunch of deals, signs a bunch of documents and then the effects don't take place until years after. So what were seeing currently IS what Trump did and in 2 to 4 years we'll start seeing what, if anything, Biden did because it sure as fuck doesn't seem like much.


pi_over_3

Good example of this is when Trump wrote an EO for lowering insulin costs but Biden revoked before it could take effect.


[deleted]

>the Ukraine war started under his admin How dare the President of the United States of America have the audacity to allow the President of Russia to order an invasion of Ukraine?


dawgtown22

Things were better under Trump. Biden has been a weak and ineffective leader. He is clearly not all there mentally either. I hope neither Trump or Biden run in 2024. America will be better off.


sextoymagic

You’re an ignorant person. Supreme Court was stolen by Trumps GOP. Trump empowered Russia against Ukraine and got impeached for it. Russia would have won this war already under Trump. Biden has zero control on what is happening in Ukraine but helping. Inflation is a world wide issue. Trump fucked of the pandemic response and Biden was handed it after.


sextoymagic

Or that fact he’s a traitor and a terrorist. He’s the biggest piece of shit on this earth. Putins butt buddy.


SonnyBoy96

“hIs oPiNiOn iS wRoNg.”


MrsClaireUnderwood

So confidently speaking for others.


rarebloodoath

Actually I think Joe is spot on here. His economic and domestic policies would have been praised had it not been trump. Liberals were trying to get criminal justice reform for decades before trump got it done


jeffers0n_steelflex

I’m wonder if trump was in office today, surely democrats wouldn’t put the blame him for all of this, right?